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800 Shotguns Headed To Belgium From Turkey Seized In Italy
Following the ISIS assault on Paris that left 130 dead prompting Francois Hollande to declare that France is “at war,” authorities quickly established a link to the infamous Brussels suburb of Molenbeek.
The working class, immigrant neighborhood - which is separated from the historical district by a canal and is but a 20 minute subway ride from Brussels' European Quarter - has become synonymous with radicalization and terror. As we put it last week, “what Charlestown is to bank robbers, Molenbeek is to European jihadists.”
"The assassination of the Afghan anti-Taliban commander Ahmed Shah Massoud, immediately before the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001; the train bombings in Madrid in 2004; and the killing of four people at the Brussels Jewish Museum in 2014; the foiled shooting on a high-speed train, the anti-terrorist raid in the eastern Belgian town of Verviers, the attack on a Paris kosher supermarket and, finally, the Nov. 13 attacks on the French capital — all had some connection to Molenbeek,” The New York Times wrote earlier this month.
But it’s not just Molenbeek. In January, two operatives working under the direction of Paris mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud were killed when Belgian police raided a safehouse in Verviers.
In short, Belgium has apparently become a kind of hub for jihadists. Not wanting to let a good crisis go to waste, the entire country - and especially Brussels - has been on high alert for nearly a week now as authorities hunt for several suspects who are purportedly planning a “serious and imminent” terrorist attack.
In what may be the latest evidence that there are indeed multiple active terror cells operating in the country (or in what may merely be evidence that some anonymous Belgian collector just really loves Winchesters), Italian police seized some 800 shotguns bound for Belgium today at the Port of Trieste.
Here's the story from La Stampa (translated):
A load of about 800 shotguns, from Turkey to Germany, Holland and Belgium, has been discovered and seized by the Financial Police and the Customs at the Port of Trieste. The weapons of war were transported, without authorization, by a tractor-trailer driven by a Dutch citizen turkish. The cargo consisted of 781 shotguns model "Winchester SXP" from 12-51 cm, 66 shotguns "Winchester SXP" from 12-41 cm. 15 rifle and kicking.
Tir had landed in Trieste on 23 November. The weapons were contained in hundreds of cardboard boxes, each of which containing a shotgun, all directed in Belgium. Given the peculiarities of the load, its origin and destination, the Financial Police and customs officials have declined to elaborate documentation. Although there were no irregularities of customs, it had not been requested permission to the authorities of public security for the transportation.
And here's a look at the merchandise:
Finally, a bit more from The Daily Star:
The finance police, who are often in charge of port security, said that while customs rules had not been violated, the Turkish truck driver did not have the licences needed to transport the 781 Winchester SXP shotguns.
Pump-action Winchester SXP rifles are made for hunting and are not considered assault weapons, but police said they had "substantially" increased their border inspections in the wake of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks and subsequent alert in Belgium.
"Given the delicate nature of the cargo, its origin and its destination, the documentation regarding the rifles was immediately examined," the statement said.
What should immediately jump out at you here is that these were being sent from Turkey to Belgium. While anyone who's followed Syria's protracted civil war knows that Ankara has long been suspected of aiding and abetting Islamic State (just ask the PKK, or Newsweek, or even ISIS themselves), Erdogan's role in financing the group was thrown into sharp relief this week after Vladimir Putin accused Turkey of facilitating the sale of illegal Islamic State crude (from which the group derives some half a billion dollars per year in revenue).
We've documented the Turkey-ISIS connection on dozens of occasions this year, but notably we revisited the link on Tuesday courtesy of Nafeez Ahmed in "NATO Is Harboring ISIS, And Here's The Evidence" and then on Wednesday evening, we took our first peak down what is likely to be a very deep rabbit hole in "Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President."
Given all of this, one is certainly left to wonder just where in Turkey these 800 pump action shotguns came from and, more importantly, who sent them to Belgium. While we're sure there were likely a string of intermediaries involved, we wouldn't be surprised to learn that ultimately, there's a connection to Ankara and from there, to ISIS.
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Bonus: for those of you wondering what kind of damage you can do with a Winchester SXP, here's an official video from the company's website called "Everybody's Shootin'" - just imagine the ducks are people.
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Van Rumpoy's christmas order interuppted
Or maybe, Sudden Debt ordered these to combat those pesky pot smokers.
I love how ww3 is happening at a time of unprecedented ability to communicate instantly, globally, and through various mediums- and yet, we are as uncertain as ever about everything. I only woke up and started looking closely 3 years ago or so, but already it seems impossible to follow all the plot twists and turns- devious fucks run the world..
It's indeed overwhelming.
It's a wonder Turkey ever became a member of NATO in the first place.
same as it ever was - an attempt to block the Russians/soviets from the ME and the Med - also a handy place to put missles
While missiles in Turkey may not mean a whole lot with respect to attacking Russia, their proximity will require the attacking country to launch those missles first giving those who live further away a chance to run to their underground McMansions
Same was true for Cuba
Why do people keep saying that? It's geographic location is priceless. It has a huge, fierce army that overthrows the government whenever it gets too out of hand. Hates Russia with an undying passion. Owns the only egress point into or out of the Black Sea. Since the NATO aliance was built around the idea of containment of Russia, it's membership is practically a necessity in order to achieve the stated mission.
Nor should it be forgotten that Greece and Turkey were the very first accretions (1952) to the original 16 founding members from 1949. They have been a valuable member of the alliance virtually from the start. It's not like they showed up last year.
and they allowed Jupiter missiles to be based there, to the point that Krushev could "see them" whenever he was vacationing in Crimea. which was one of the many reasons, including the Bay of Pigs, for the whole Cuban Missile Crisis
further, they were - until lately - really, really good neighbours. it's not that long time ago that Assad, then a peaceful president of a peaceful (and strikingly beautiful) country was a welcome guest of Ankara
but "hates with a passion Russia" is imho a bit extreme. wary, extremely wary. Antalya, though, was for years the new Russian middle-class vacationing spot. there are even Kremlin-shaped hotels there
Thank you tarabel and Ghordius; very informative comments. I'm woefully ignorant of the 20th century history of the region, and the mainstream media here in the U.S. isn't in any hurry to truthfully enlighten me.
Those 800 shotguns are a gunrunners' shipment destined for resale on the black market to the native Belgian population, not an intended terrist supply. Many native Belgians are afraid of the influx of Muslim refugees and are willing to pay a lot of money for a means of protecting themselves and their families.
The more surreal and sad fact is that even with all the information that is now available almost instantaneous, 90% of people still have no clue as to what is really going on. I venture to guess those before the internet may have been more world knowledgeable.
Back then we could rely on a loyal press to at least make some effort to tell the truth and cut through the propaganda.
a pet peeve of mine.
The technology has actually stopped people thinking.
Why think when you can ask your smart phone, or ring someone else and ask them.
Which is carefully scripted or outright false.
I often point out tidbits from memory... and then, when asked for links, I draw a blank
Turkey is a double agent.
Fuck Turkey!
It's Thanksgivng
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAz4u9aUsAAdz1z.jpg
There's a joke in here somewhere involving Turkey and shotguns.
Should have bought Benelli's or Beretta's d Italia. Those are terrible shotguns.
They hold Joe Biden in high esteem and know that when he says "shotguns are all you need" he speaks the truth
These fucking Turkish shitbag scum of the earth. Will the Western response be to sanction and hold them responsible? Or will there be a call for understanding Turkish feelings while the CIA airdrops the interrupted shipment in anyway?
That's 800 Shotgun Weddings!
You could have a heckuva weekend in Vegas with all this stuff.
No one understands that in Europe having a gun is hugelly Difficult and tedious to obtain a permit.
Those guns are not going to any Muslin ... those guns are the ones people in Belgium are in a Hurry to buy by any means! Legal or otherwise. Since they now know Were is the Daesh Headquarter in Europe
Gun running is going to be a Major Major business in Europe in times to come.
People now face the two options:
Wait for one year to get a gun, enter every single State database, Pay a huge 600€+ Just for the license .... or:
solve your issues with a simple 1000 anonymous gun runner ...
Those 800 Shotguns were for Belgiium folks Option 2 ...
belgium has the laxest laws for weapons in complete europistan
true but EVEN like that they need a huge amount of cash and it takes a long time ...
So the option they had was correct ..get the gun no matter what as long as it's fast ...
and overall i think they madea great choice :)
I doubt very much any law abiding citizen is going to get an illegal gun, if caught they would face a 20 year prison sentence in some European countries, something only criminals will risk.
Ain't gun control wonderful...
First and Foremost Guns a Guns are a Human Right.
Defense of Life is the Most Important Human Rights actually.
So there is nothing "imoral" about trying to get a gun.
and about the Law abiding citizens as they say in the US, I think they prefer to be judged by 13 then carried by 6 ...
That's what is fueling the gun running and it is Awsome! :)
No risk for the musloids, since they don't plan being around that long.
Musloids.
I like that term and will use it going forward.
Thanks for expanding my voculary.
Gun control does not apply to the storage area of a Mosque. Authorities aren't allowed to search there due to the possibility of hurt feelings.
if it was an AK media would say "Russian weapon" shipment.
They were not made in Turkey
Also Shot guns would be excellent for terrorists to fire in large assemblies of people with SSG... easier to use for people with no arms training... a hit with each pull of the trigger.
Uh, I don't believe Russia manufactures Winchesters. "US weapon shipment" would be more accurate.
FYI, Winchester SXPs are manufactured in Turkey.
Are they certain these were not Kalashnikov pump shotguns?
It's not exactly a secret that Winchester SXPs are manufactured in Istanbul.
Super X Pump -- Pump Action Shotgun (SXP).
The SXP is a significant evolution of the exceptional Model 1300 Speed Pump. The Speed Pump established many speed and performance records over the years. The SXP is equally fast and incorporates new levels of quality and excellent value. Today's SXPs are designed and production is overseen by our R&D team in Morgan, Utah. They are then manufactured in our partner factory in Istanbul, Turkey. (Which used to be called Constantinople . . . you already know this if you learned the old song that says, "Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.") Istanbul is a key manufacturing and trade center for Europe. Some SXP parts are sourced from our other Winchester group factories in Western Europe. SXPs are available in field models and Defender versions, and they are all assembled in the same factory. In an interesting bit of history, large numbers of Winchester Model 1866s were sold to the Turkish government in 1870 and Oliver Winchester himself, visited Constantinople (Istanbul) shortly thereafter to secure more sales of other firearms and ammunition.
http://www.winchesterguns.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=287
Actually, the city was founded by the Roman Emperor Constantine, more generally known for his vision of the cross and the words "In Hoc Signo Vinces" (In This Sign, Conquer) that led to his personal conversion to Christianity. Later on, it was remaned Byzantium and remained so until taken by the Moslems in 1453, at which point it became Istanbul.
Actually, I believe it was Byzantium before it was Constantinople.
Yep, and the denizens of Constantinople never called themselves "Byzantines". It's a name invented in the west. The Eastern Romans called themselves Romans until it fell to the Turks, bringing a final end to those clinging on to the Roman empire.
You are correct. Writing from memory sometimes plays tricks.
Turkey makes a fine shotgun - I bought my wife one to use as a SD weapon - she also uses it to shoot clay targets once in a while.
It's a Hatsan Escort semi auto 20 gauge youth model, loaded up with 5 rounds of #3 buckshot, breaking into my house it will ruin your day - I would not hesitate to grab it if I couldn't get to my Remington 870 or Versa Max Tactical.
My wife now prefers the Beratta CX4 Storm carbine - 30 rounds of 147 grain 9MM Federal HST.
Storm and the HST what a great combination, with a 16" barrel it hits with the power of .357 at muzzle. Even a sub 2000 is a great option with glock mags 30 rounds in a light short package. +1
Let's have a Debate!! Rubio vs. Rand on CNN - Should USA defend NATO-member and ISIS supporting Turkey. Oh, never mind - CNN will exclude Rand from being on the same stage!
This "story" is unfolding at a relativley fast pace, which pleases me. Eventually a shipment of cashiers checks to isis will be confiscated that are from the CIA branch office in DC wth Barrys signature. Speaking of guns, what the hell has Eric Holder been up to these days? He must be in Turkey i imagine...
I guess gun thefts will increase in America as organized crime(.gov) looks for Inventory
in psycho german msm it is reported that isis sells oil to assad.
so media in full normal public lying mode
Why wouldn't this be true? Civil Wars often requires commerce between the various participants even while they try to kill each other. The Confederacy was in desperate need of salt to preserve meat for their armies. The Union needed cotton to make clothes and tents for their soldiers. Guess where they obtained these items.
I read a recent article where there was an agreement between the two sides that allocated the output of a power plant that was behind the lines of one participant but reliant on fuel coming from the other side. This isn't a story about Angels versus Demons. It's about Nazi Thug Empire 1 duking it out with Nazi Thug Empire 2 and each side will do whatever it takes to win-- even if that means temporarily cooperating with the enemy until circumstances make it no longer necessary to do so.
Mercedes-Benz
Btw..the Turkish guns are the Obvious choice since those shotguns are like Mossberg/Remington clones on the cheap side.
It has nothing to do with the current events ...simply Turkey has a low-cost gun manufacturer industry.
Remington and Mossberg are cheap clones of Remington and Mossberg now. I have between a trunk and a truck load of Remington 870's spanning a couple decades. They've apparently now reached the point that the Remington website specifies that both the 870 Marine Magnum and 870 Tactical weigh approximately 7.5 pounds (since the internet never lies, and teaches most people what they think they know).
So either the manufacturer doesn't even know the weight of its machined products to the nearest pound, or they've gone full retard with a surrealist rendition of Henry Ford and "any 870 as long it's crap."
I've become so cynical these days that it would not surprise me if Belgium authorities sweep this under the rug.
Give the Shotguns to the White Females of Europe.
#whitefemalesofeuropeslivesmatter
What happen to Hussein's U.N. Small Arms Treaty enforcement?
Oh, I forgot. That treaty is only enforced on the law abiding American people.
I've become so cynical these days that it would not surprise me if Belgium authorities sweep this under the rug.
A hunting shotgun with a skeleton stock and pistol grip.
Since when?
I have a dozen shotguns and none of them have a pistol grip. Winchester is a nice shotgun ordinarily, but I've never had one of that configuration. I would mention, if I was in Brussels I needed to protect myself that's exactly the weapon I would purchase.
I'm not saying it WILL be swept under the rug. It depends on whether they serve some hidden political purpose.
Why not? I've been known to hunt pheasants with a Benelli M1 super 90. 18 inch barrel, pistol grip, ghost ring sights. Pheasants can't tell the difference
A folding stock and did you catch the extra barrel, the short one in the package.
Hunting lol, that gun is not for ducks..
That barrel is the only barrel.
The shotguns are shipped unassembled.
Perhaps for liability reasons.
Some idiot can't just pull it out of the box, load it, and start shooting.
A slightly lesser idiot has to put it together first.
Second look your right, mine came with two barrels, I assumed and got what I deserved..
Not a folding stock and not for hunting anything but humans. 8 round tube +1 in the chamber = 9 shot
That's the tube magazine you're seeing still attached in the box. Barrel is off.
It's a cheap killing machine for urban warfare. 18" and *14" barrels (*not legal in the US without permit)
Gold Bitchez....I pick up pennies
Look again, it is a side folder.
Yeah, you're right. Those are self defense or security weapons. I'd like to see what the game warden has to say about me toting around one of those in the field looking for grouse or pheasants!
The Old Man
That short barrel is the only barrel in the package. Look closer, there's no barrel attached to the receiver, only the tube magazine
Maybe they're iintended to go under prayer rugs?
I wonder if the USAF was planning ammo drops in Belgium, in the hopes that the "right people" would get the shotgun shells?
Turkey makes a Damn Good Shotgun. I have one of their 12G semi auto escorts which has provided me with pounds and pounds of pheasant and grouse meat and it has never missed a cycle.
+1 brother.
Gladius 20 ga. tactical here. Wonderful piece of gear.
They're for peasant hunting, err, I mean pheasant hunting...
They hunt Massive wild boar in turkey, I mean "Scary Massive" and bag them with good ole 12G's.
https://youtu.be/Z4m55m8t1D8
http://www.safariinternational.com/en/big-game/europe/turkey/379-turkey-...
Not even a Xmas shipment for Cabelas. Find some news.
This way Turkey can support local arms makers as well as export terror... or bird hunting. I would like one of these for pheasant.
I suppose now Zios will go to turkey, put bad stuff in the mail to EU with a return address of Turkey.
Order out of Chaos
O ships.
I am Dutch and wanted to buy a shotgun against the Turks.
Not going to happen now.
I have no qualms about taking out Brussels, if they can just keep it there though.
But with this shipment coming from TurkISIS, this is no surprise, but bet the payment was from izraHELL.
- Winchesters
- Mossbergs
- Gladius
- And a few other well-known names who 'oustsource' to Turkey. But as TAYT above said, the Turks DO make a Damned nice shotgun.
And as far as being a 'poor weapon' for terrifying-terrorists as someone above suggested? Bull-Shit... A shotgun need not penetrate body armor to be effecitive. 3 inch rounds of copper plated buck will take out extremities and leave the opposition bleeding to death - without having to stop & focus on center mass... It is in fact, quite an effective weapon, which sort of explains why 800 of them were headed somewhere to not nice people...
3" mag rounds traveling over 1400 fps are probably going to defeat any armor worn with exception of plate IV. Even if it doesn't defeat the armor, it's going to be a real wake up call.
Short of a 50 Cal. a shotgun is the preferred choice in close combat.
Gold Bitchez......I pick up pennies
In the city 2&3/4" #4 Buck (27 pellets) can take off arms and legs at 21 feet. And with 8 in the tube, 1 in the chamber, and a little practice you can empty it in 4 seconds. Very effective and CHEAP home defense weapon. But I agree about the 3" Magnums. If the aggressors aren't wearing hearing protection, they will think they are confronting a flipping cannon.
The very The Old Man
ps.. I pick up copper pennies. They can keep the zinc ones!
From Turkey? That jihadist for president, ISIS sponsoring, terrorist arming, chemical attack plotting, Syria plundering terrorist heaven. I would never guess...
Hope it was not C.O.D.
I don't see why people feel good about shooting birds.When is human nature going to change in order to stop the killing just for sport.It would be an entirely different matter if you you were native and a hunter-gatherer for survival and needed the food to eat.But just to shoot birds for fun because you are good as a marksman and help destroy migratory birds is very primitive coming from a past generation of wildlife abusers.Kill for sport in order to feel good about yourself?You even see Europeans setting up nets in order to catch and eat very small birds.Very sick,all of it needs to be outlawed.
No reason to give a shit what you think
Huffpo called and wanted to know how you escaped, run along now, we have canines in our mouths for a reason..
Agree 100%. I know several highly successful entrepreneurs and all have one thing in common. They like killing animals for sport. Go figure....
when i buy McNuggets I take them home - throw them in the air and then shoot them with my SPAS 12 - makes me feel like killed them myself
Do you honestly know anyone who just shoots birds and then lets them rot? I have never met that person
When a hunter buys his hunting license, that funding goes to game warden salaries, game research and studies and other things that benefit the varoius game species to assure they thrive.and are not over hunted or over populated.
When I hunt, it is for the enjoyment of.the outdoors and to eat what Ive lawfully killed.
God gave us dominion over all the creatures.of the Earth, whether they be hunted.or.harvested, you know, like the cow that went.into the last cheezburger you ate.
BLACK FRIDAY GUN AND AMMO SALES!
Meanwhile in Crimea the Tarter(s) in that enclave get the PR red royal carpet!...
The other end of the proverbial "tube of tooth paste" getting squeezed to it's destructive end!!!
Read this llink on Russia, very interesting.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/russia-great-forgetting/
Sorry,,, couldn't swallow the BS.
Maybe they were for duckhunting.
less aiming necessary at short range for rabbid Muslims
blame the jews of course
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
I thought this was another article about "shitgums" and bad Google language translations.
'and yes, you can stroll down to the train station near the `Gare du Midi' in Brussels, and purchase with cash in british`pounds [or even bit-coin pre-oredered?]? currency... 'Rocket LauncherS', 'KalashnikovS', 'Scorpion Machine GunS', and 'Torarev HandgunS', all for as little as $4,000 pounds'
surprised...?
http://atimes.com/2015/11/paris-made-in-libya-not-syria by Peter Lee
My guess is that they were for security companies. All of the security companies in China use 12 Ga. Shotguns with 14.5 inch barrels. Everytime they service a bank or ATM there are 6 active guards with 12 ga. Shotguns at the ready. Everyone gives them a wide berth.
You gotta love the Chinks!
Hmmm, at first glance this looked pretty fishy, but it turns out that model is actually manufactured in Turkey, so I suppose this could be a legit shipment. http://www.winchesterguns.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=287 However, that's not to say Turkey hasn't been complicit with ISIS and other Jihadists.
That model has the pistol grip handle that is outlawed in many states (NY, CA). Pop out of an auto in front of a cafe and you can kill a bunch of people. Read "Day of Wrath" about a fictional attack on schools in the US with comparisons to the Beslan massacre and you might be pretty afraid of what they could do. Good catch Italian police.
Holy crap, phase two is finally revealed!
Phase 1 – collect underpants
Phase 2 - ?
Phase 3 – profit
The long version:
Phase 1 – export thousands of migrants to Europe to collect underpants (and rape the women just for good measure)
Phase 2 – sell shitloads of Turkish manufactured Winchester shotguns to Europe when the migrant crisis causes demand to surge
Phase 3 – profit for the Prophet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts
From reading about failed drug deals, I have always assumed it was more important to catch the 'receiver' than the 'sender'.
Dutch Boy got busted?
Hmmm, I may be a dummy but...800 ? Possibly the governments estimates about how many "bad eggs" refugees is understated
I'll take one of these ...
And you can keep your 800 shotguns!
Believe the "white chimp", "koscher boy", and the two wahabi sand nigs in Riyadh and Ankara are wearing "deprends undergarments" right about now!.. If not them the "pilots" from those communities that will be flying in the range of those 'spears of death".
Shit getting very ,very, very real!!!!
Tylers: stop the anti-gun sensationalism. Those shotguns are legal, the truck driver did not have all the paperwork.
Maybe the belgians need to hunt some turkeys for Xmas.
Turks actually make a decent inexpensive shotgun, I would bet these were headed to Belgians for home defence.
That story about the Turkish truck stopped in Trieste by the customs left out some details. The truck started in Turkey went to the Greek frontier via very good expressway, then the truck Went to a Greek port and took a ferry to Trieste, about a 24 hour trip. So it appears that inspection on the Greek-Turkish border was rather lax.
Today's SXPs are designed and production is overseen by our R&D team in Morgan, Utah. They are then manufactured in our partner factory in Istanbul, Turkey. Wut? No FN Herstal product?
Shotguns are sold out in Austria. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3291978/Shotguns-virtually-sold-...
The police in Belgia are trying to make a point that the shotguns are 'normally' used for hunting (perhaps trying to downplay the gravity of the situation), but isn't it exactly what the muslims are doing. They are hunting us. In islam infidels (like us) are regarded as apes and pigs and dogs. In other woerds , we are just animals.
Nafeez Ahmed ("NATO Is Harboring ISIS, And Here's The Evidence") is serious reading
part 1
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a...
part 2
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/why-google-made-the-nsa-2a80584c...
Google is actually trinkets for the Indians.
The control of information, for the purpose of redirecting the attention of the public
http://searchengineland.com/library/google/google-algorithm-updates
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530102.600-google-wants-to-rank...
There is no context in American press reporting. Only control of the message.
1. The shoot down in Ukraine of a plane intentionally diverted into a no fly zone did not successfully create war fever.
2. The take down of Russian passenger flight managed to pull Putin into Syria
Interesting that Western press and leaders were blaming ISIS before the evidence had been recovered
3. The take down of Russian military plane over Syria did not successfully create war fever but Putin increases payloads to show he is not intimidated.
While war rumors were planted in MSM, American citizens don't buy the Putin-as-Enemy script running in the MSM
Obama under reacted to the unfolding story of the shootdown of the Russian military jet. Under-reacted = Badly acted
Meanwhile the search engines not likely to return articles by Nafeez Ahmed
That is the power and the reason for algorithms. The trinkets for the Indians are used to control the Indians
It's funny when the west critisizes muslims because all they want to is kill people in the West.
But the countries that sell more Weapons to Muslim countries are the USA, UK, and France in order make a buck and then whinge about Muslims having Guns. France has these gun laws that prohibit them from selling them to people in France, but have absolutely no problem selling them to anybody outside there borders, as long as they have the cash.
erDOGan family is Mafia
let the world know this
It seems like it should be pretty easy for investigators to track down exactly who was to receive these arms, and I doubt very much they were destined for the hands of Islamic radicals. Shotguns are a good defensive weapon, but they would not suit a terrorist well as they are too difficult to reload in a hurry, plus the ammo is very bulky. Obviously, the weapons they need to be concerned with are AK's which are unfortunately everywhere. Searching for weapons is a waste of time and resources. It would be a lot more effective to simply deport the problem population back to wherever they came from.
Hey Erdogan,
Take a look what's on the other side of the Caucasus Mountains. That's RUSSIA, you know, the country that can reach out and turn your Islamic shithole into a glass carpark anytime it wants? Yeah, that one.
What a fuckwitt.
That's okay. You can keep your shotguns, and I'll keep my Armalite AR-10 in 7.62x51mm with M80 ammo, and Windham Weaponry M4 5.56x45mm with mags full of M855 green tip steel penetrators.
And just in case, my Colt New Agent .45 is always just a concealed second away.
Edit: Nothing wrong with shotguns--full disclosure, I also own a Mossberg 500 Series 12 gauge. Nothing fancy, but it works.
Nobody reading this board other than the NSA gives a shit about what firearms you own.
well, add in the FBI and State Police.
The shotguns in the picture - black finish with folding plastic stock - are NOT for hunting ducks.
A lot of (sitting) ducks in the pedophile politburo capital this time of year apparently.