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"The Redcoats Are Coming!" Britain Moves Closer To Launching Anti-ISIS Airstrikes In Syria
Now that France has officially joined the party in Syria in an effort to avenge the 130 people who lost their lives in Islamic State’s brazen assault on Paris, the odds of World War III have increased exponentially.
Sure, The Kremlin has for now instructed the military to treat the French as “allies” and for the time being, Moscow’s pilots are writing “For Paris” on bombs, but as Tuesday’s “incident” between Turkish F-16s and a Russian Su-24 makes clear, crowded skies are dangerous skies, especially when there’s a significant amount of ambiguity surrounding what everyone is up to in Syria on a day to day basis.
Now that Russia has deployed the S-400s to Latakia and placed the Moskva guided missile cruiser equipped with S-300-like systems off the coast, anything that even looks like a threat to Russia’s air force will be “destroyed” and that, as WaPo noted on Wednesday, “has the potential to create headaches for Turkish and other aircraft in a U.S.-led coalition that are carrying out a separate airstrike campaign in Syria."
So, to the extent that the Paris attacks served to thaw tensions between Russia and the West, Turkey’s decision to shoot down an Su-24 means it was one step forward and two steps back.
Now, it appears the already crowded playing field is about to get more cramped as David Cameron, following up on comments made during meetings with Francois Hollande, is pushing British lawmakers to approve RAF strikes on ISIS. As Reuters reports, the PM “told lawmakers on Thursday it was time to join air strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria, saying Britain cannot ‘subcontract its security to other countries’”.
This is the second time Cameron has sought Parliament’s approval for strikes in Syria. He lost a vote in 2013.
This time around, the stakes are higher and the circumstances have changed. ISIS has proven resilient thanks in no small part to, i) what looks like a deliberate effort on the part of The Pentagon to avoid hitting Islamic State’s oil convoys, ii) the CIA’s continued support for the various rebel groups that have, for the better part of five years, ensured that the country remains completely unstable, and iii) support from Turkey, the Saudis, and Qatar.
"It is wrong for the United Kingdom to expect the aircrews of other nations to carry the burdens and the risks of striking ISIL in Syria to stop terrorism here in Britain," Cameron said.
In a testament to how close Britain is to joining the fray, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will reportedly not use a party whip to influence MP’s decisions. "In these sort of issues of conscience it is better to allow MPs to make their own minds up," John McDonnell told BBC.
"I don't think this is a country that lets others like the French or the Americans defend our interests and protect us from terrorist organizations - we should contribute to that effort,” Finance minister George Osborne added, underscoring the perception that Britain’s military prowess is but a shadow of what it once was.
Cameron played down the idea that striking ISIS in Raqqa would increase the extent to which the group targets Britain. "He told MPs the UK was already a target for IS - and the only way to deal with that was to 'take action' now," BBC reports, adding that The Foreign Affairs Committee has said they'll be "no military intervention without a "coherent international strategy" on tackling IS and ending Syria's civil war."
Yeah, well good luck on that. There are two "strategies", one pursued by Russia and Iran, and the other by the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. Moscow and Tehran will simply destroy anyone and everyone battling the Assad government and that includes ISIS, while the US and its regional allies will continue to fund the FSA and, indirectly al-Qaeda while covertly doing what they can to ensure that strikes against ISIS don't cripple the group's ability to remain operational and effective in Syria and Iraq. France, frankly, is just flying around aimlessly dropping bombs wherever the US tells it to which is precisely what the UK will end up doing should they decide to get involved directly.
The problem here is that France and Britain are just bolt-on air forces. Unless and until the US decides to drop its support for the programs and countries that are arming and financing the FSA, al-Nusra, and ISIS, adding more planes will do nothing to aid in the fight against terror and will only make the airspace more crowded, making it even more difficult for the Russians to determine who is who and which planes represent a threat and which ones don't.
Finally, note that the tensions between Turkey and Russia will make the ongoing discussions in Vienna unbearable for Moscow and Ankara which means that any "progress" on a "political solution" probably crashed and burned with the Su-24 that went down near the Turkish border on Tuesday.
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Meanwhile, in Aleppo...
#Russian-made T-90 equipped with active Shtora anti-missile system seen in Aleppo #Syria pic.twitter.com/Nsaua1mtmX
— Michael Horowitz (@michaelh992) November 26, 2015
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The question is, who will they be bombing!
One wrong move by the UK and it's a radiated turkish jet blown to pieces.
"He told MPs the UK was already a target for IS - and the only way to deal with that was to 'take action' now"
The only way to deal with?
I've heard a reading of this script somewhere before.
So, THEY have the S-400’s.
WE should send a couple of Zamboni’s. ;-)
Looney
Youse guys are soooo jaded. Turkey is a solid ZATO partner and close friend of France.
Turkish Soccer Fans Boo During Minute Of Silence Honoring Francehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/turkey-soccer-paris-minute-silence_5...
Who knows, France [instead of Russia] may drop a few on Ankara just to show their appreciated friendship?
Brits just couldn't stand it any more, they want some of that delicious blowback too.
This has become a pissing match in a shot glass.
Yep, the Brits just signed up for a Paris-style event in London.
Q. How stupid can a people get?
A. Cameron-stupid or Ukraine-stupid. Hard to tell!
They need it to push Snoopers Charter 2.0 through.
Pile on, now that everybody's there!
Me me me me me me me
Me too, come on, gimme gimme gimme
Seriously? Seriously retarded. Idiots.
The British were up to their necks in regime change in Libya (a group of SAS in native clothing were caught escorting a 'diplomat' - probably MI6 contact for al Qaeda or whatever) followed by the arms transfer from Libya to Syria. A French diplomat claimed they have been involved in instigating regime change in Syria from 2006. A British Army Chinook helicopter crashed in an Israeli minefield in the West Bank on a 'routine' flight from Amman to Cyprus in 2013. About this time, people from what was to be ISIS bragged they were being trained in Amman.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/08/raf-chinook-makes-emergency-landing-near-m...
Cameron is a full-on Zionist stooge. There is even a Rothschild in the government or as advisor.
So British bombing of ISIS sounds totally legit (/sarc)
GOD loves:
ISIL,
ISIS,
and DAESH.
Come'on boys, bring some excitement to the Homeland.
The only risk to combating ISIS is NATO (Turkey) stabbing you in the back!
It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced.
All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!
http://goo.gl/lBRD5v
This is the last gasp of the Thatcher era and the English "Empire", so Thatcherites should really whoop it up.
The real power in England has tipped their hand by joining the AIIB.
Just waiting for Israel to switch sides and then England will follow closely behind. A defeat in Syria will probably do the trick.
It's very likely the real target of British forces will not be ISIS. Brits are probably planning to join with the U.S. to elbow out the Russians and enforce a no-fly zone. Which of course would only advantage the jihadists. So much for enhancing Brit security. Cameron is a lying asshole and the British parliament should know that by now.
When the time is right Syria will impose a no-fly zone.
Only flights coordinated with Syria are allowed in Syrian airspace West of a certain longitude. Others get shot down.
And Iraq and Libya are also waiting for the right time for imposing a no fly zone.
This thread is already populated with wild claims about what Russia is going to do (someday), how they are about to do something (some year), and on and on. What Russia should do, how committed Russia is to going all in and so on.
Russia is getting squeezed in Syria because Russia is too afraid to confront NATO.
Notice how the "do not anger the bear" people have turned into claiming Putins nonresponse is a great chess move. If he does not grow a pair Putin will be pushed out of Crimea.
Russia is not the one getting squeezed, thats our life expectency you see.
Who will be the one to surrender the US and Company or Russia and its alies? Someone will need to back off or there will be a war between them.
Clearly you believe that Russia has the option to leave Syria.
By Russia and its allies, you must mean Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, Yemen --- how is that working out?
Russia's actions show they have kept the back door open so they can leave. They delayed until Syria was almost expended, they still refuse to give Syria the S300 systems, they still have not declared a no fly zone, they cannot react to their airliner being shot down, or their fighter jet being shot down, they have not reacted to the statements that NATO may soon put boots on the ground to "occupy and govern".
It is also clear Putin is just reacting and did not plan for some of these actions.
Russia slaps food import restrictions on Turkey
http://tribune.com.pk/story/998857/russia-tightens-control-over-turkish-...
Russia just canceled "Turkish stream"
Putin should have been able to forsee how unstable his relationship with Turkey was and never planed to risk such a pipeline.
Russia should have had an efficient pipeline to China years ago. Not building it is due to not looking ahead and only reacting once in a bind.
The Brits should be bombing Ankara since Turkey is a major sponsor of ISIS terrorism against Syria. Instead Britain will bomb empty buildings after giving the terrorists 45 minutes warning.
Agree LL. This may just turn out a major cluster fuck blown out of the air...errrr, I mean proportion.
Everybody and their Grandma is bombing ISIS.
I am waiting for the official ISIS Twitter channel to announce that ISIS will start bombinb ISIS.
And media gobbles this up like cotton candy crack...
rape pillage and plunder..........
I'm thinking of bombing ISIS. Maybe sometime next week.....
Yo, leave some for Luxembourg! :>D
1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: We're gonna come out of this war rich!
Yossarian: You're gonna come out rich. We're gonna come out dead.
I was wondering where Granma was.
"The British are coming the British are coming!"
So... One* if by Air, two* if Sea?
* Hour warning
David Cameron. Isn't he the chap that performed lewd acts with the head of a dead animal?
That is going to go down well with the IS!
"David Cameron. Isn't he the chap that performed lewd acts with the head of a dead animal?"
I think Cameron first performed lewd acts with Rebekka Brooks, ex-editor of The Sun tabloid. The pig came later ... ;-)
So moving up in the world, is he?
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
They're not going to be happy until it's a boiling cauldron
And tomorrow you'll hear about Germany pitching in too. The thing to watch here after Saudi has been implicated in serious attacks, funding the terrrists, arming the devil's angels, and the response they will get from Iran and Russia once they decide that enough is enough. The oil fields are looking mighty quiet these days.
They are not there to fight terrorism. All of them ARE enablers of terrorism, either consciously or not.
Please - UK was involved in the training of ISIS. Now what is this talk of attacking ISIS?
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
"Attacking ISIS" is NATO code for attacking Russia/Assad and gaining control of Syria.
"Attacking Al Qaida" is NATO code for gaining control of Afghanistan.
Its quite simple really when you get the hang of it.
The "for three years" [before 2014 when the article was written] is misleading. The Brits have been financing destabilization and regime change efforts against Assad in Syria since at least 2009, and arguably before the USSA ramped up its efforts.
+1 further, the argument itself is if not misleading, at least not complete. only because X and Y support rebel group Z does not mean that they won't dispose of Z, later
and that can even happen in domestic politics. when the brownshirt SA became ideologically unsound and too difficult to control, mere brawlers looking for a fight, any fight... the black uniformed SS had to dispose of them, for the greater glory of the Reich
Are you suggesting, (other objectives aside), that those powers that created the various Jihadist Frankensteins, want to have them gather in one place (Syria), so they can get rid of them?
it's not my suggestion. though recently the Telegraph quoted Putin expressing this exact feeling. of wanting to bomb Russians that joined jihadist grops in Syria before they come back to Russia
my impression is that it's mostly "regional allies" that are luring in most of the wannabee jihadists. I can follow ZH's theories of the CIA and Mossad being involved, but I can also imagine them being only tangentially involved. like parachuting ammo, the equivalent of not starting a fire but throwing a molotov cocktail or two in the existing fire someone else started
the whole Iraq "nation building" exercise was, though, the equivalent of reducing a house into easily flammable kindling, starting with the "de-Ba'athification" program, imho
Buyers remorse?
Creator's Remorse.
Not the first time this has happened, or will happen.
Imagine if you created the human species (genetic tinkering): Perhaps you'd wonder at times, what you have wrought.
You're giving them too much credit.
It's much less correcting a mistake as it is covering up their dirty deeds.
the "Judean-Christian-Muslim" sole Creator made angels, first. and then made something... more in His Image. to the point that a faction of angels rebelled
further, according to the writing all three main monotheistic religions follow, man was created first... but there was still lots of drama missing in the picture
From one of Britains MSM newspapers last year: A secret plan to train a 100,000-strong rebel army to wage war on Syria's President Bashar Assad was drawn up by a leading British general, according to a report.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-conflict-briti...
"It is wrong for the United Kingdom to expect the aircrews of other nations to............
JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WW3, WE JUST PUT THE NAIL IN IT.
Wait till the chinese flex the Kung Fu muscle. Then it's a bitch slap.
It's a great opportunity for the Chinese to gain proper experience, but at the same time they're busy megaphoning that they don't interfere in the affairs of other sovereign nations, or in other words whoever is in power is a potential business partner for China. Not to forget that it's the ME we're talking about here, does anyone sane really want to have anything to do with that part of the world if they don't have to?
Unless te 'world' has a part of them, chemical explosions anyone?
They're next. But really, nobody thought Britian was going to miss out on this shit, did they?
"Bri-itain, FUCK YEAH, comin' again to save the mother fuckin' day, yeah"
As the saying goes: "ignore what they say and watch what they do." My money says Britian is coming in to help defend ISIS and Turkey.
And you spirit have just won the lottery!!
Hence the critical, do or die move by Russia, Syria, Hezbollah, Iraq and Iran:
1. Impose an NFZ (No Fly Zone)
2. Seal the Syrian-Turkish border
3. Help the Kurds establish theit own homeland, by carving it out of Turkey. That will keep Ankara busy and tie NATO'S hands.
Doing so would create a Shia land strip in Iraq and Syria, and thus deny the Sunni/Wahhabi Jihadists and their Sponsors (in Ankara, Doha and Riyadh) a route for their pipeline. Instead, it would create a path for an Iranian - Syrian pipeline to the Mediterranean, and from there to Europe. Check mate!
Bombing the shit out of Syria and bugger off is going to create more civilian orphans and these kids will remember blood in stone which flags have killed the only person left caring for them.
These orphans will join the terrorist group for more revenge, i.e. feedback loop.
I didn't know that governments every worried about collateral damage.
I wonder if the first dogfights in the skies nearly a hundred years ago were considered "no fly zones"?
This looks to be all the makings of the perfect storm.
"France, frankly, is just flying around aimlessly dropping bombs wherever the US tells it to which is precisely what the UK will end up doing should they decide to get involved directly.
The problem here is that France and Britain are just bolt-on air forces. Unless and until the US decides to drop its support for the programs and countries that are arming and financing the FSA, al-Nusra, and ISIS, adding more planes will do nothing to aid in the fight against terror and will only make the airspace more crowded, making it even more difficult for the Russians to determine who is who and which planes represent a threat and which ones don't."
how does the French prez having talks in Moscow fit into this theory? how does Germany thinking loudly of supporting France fit into it? how does the Islamic State's propaganda talking about France and Russia being "The Alliance of Devils" fit into this?
most "conspiracy" theories from the US have one glaring symptom: they are way too simple for the current geopolitical mess in Syria. too much based on a dichtonomy of good vs bad, black hats vs white hats, a "one side" versus "one other side" only
fact is that France and Russia are having "war council" talks. fact is that US assets aren't achieving what the european allies want
welcome back to the multi-polar world
If I may add: Diminishing Returns.
Too much noise and posturing for very little gains.
So, it wouldn’t surprise me at all that Putin’s Plan-B is to get out of the Middle East. For once, would save Russia lots of money and energy—burning unnecessary oil.
Are you saying that we are seeing European leaders acting independently and without listening to what NATO or Washington tells them to do? As independently as they did with the Minsk round apparently - the big game changer in Ukraine?
It is nice that Hollande decided to meet up with Putin to chat about ISIS, this really underlines his commitment to fight ISIS back home. But while Monsieur le President still blares out that there is 'no future for Syria with Assad' we both know that the most these two men will be able to agree with is to not shoot each other's planes from the sky over Syria.
Anything more than that would be truly surprising. So unless we hear concrete measures of a border closure between Turkey and Syria enforced by France, Germany and Russia to fight ISIS, there really is no change in European politics. And Europe is still in denial of this multi-polar world we live in!
ZH's argument is that France is going to be a hindrance to Russia. meanwhile, talk is cheap. we'll see
Cameron is a bloody fool. I would have thought that he would have learned his lesson with the attacks on Lybia.
Is he trying to do a Tony Blair and take Democracy to Syria like the democracy that has been imposed on Iraq, Lybia and Egypt.
He should tell the US and the military industrial complex to get lost.
"He (Cameron) should tell the US and the military industrial complex to get lost."
like what?
like grimacing when the US administration tells him that the UK's role is to be "a gateway to the EU" (for US interests, of course) and that he has to stick to this role, or to be seen as useless, and "special relationship" be damned?
or like rolling the extra-long red carpet for the Chinese state visit, and be the first european nation to join the "anti-IMF" AIIB "monetary alliance"?
Fuck that. You British shitwits made this cricket field and you'll stay on the pitch until the game is done.
So Turks are paying them money while they shoot down Russian Fighters that the Americans oppose as the Iranians are fighting on the ground against moderate factions that Assad wants destroyed first with Russian cruise missiles that the French allow due to attacks in one of the worlds great mega cities Paris that are breeding support for ISIS sympathizers among the refugees flowing into Turkey and thereby Europe as a whole.
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Does Brittan have knowledge of what its doing well enough to pull through on top?
"The redcoats will save us"
Said no one ever
http://www.lbc.co.uk/peter-hitchens-on-camerons-delusional-case-for-war-...
Like a coven of ghouls hunched around a corpse these crazed Turks, USSANS, Brits, Frogs as well as the despicable apartheid regime from occupied Palestine have no legal right whatsoever to enter sovereign Syrian airspace. Hence Russia is totally within its rights to blast whatever threat appears in Syrian skies. Sam time is coming!
This can only get better...right on time as the Saudi Mercan I$I$ "backed" petroscrip toilet paper dollah gets flushed from the global Ponzi shitter.
The Russians will not allow interference of their mission, even if it means taking out a NATO plane or two (or however many it takes). They are using the Turkey incident to move in their high-powered anti-missile defense systems and will be in a perfect position to implement a no-fly zone if necessary. The US-led coalition might want to do that, but they don't have the forces on the ground to enforce it, and Russia's anti-aircraft capability is much too strong for them to overcome and establish one.
The problem with the West continues to be, as it always has, that they believe in the end Russia will back down or give-in if it means all-out war with the Exceptional Nation. What they don't understand is that should an all-out war develop, Russia could take out their carrier task forces within an hour, and completely blind the remaining land-based forces with their electronic jamming weapons making them susceptible to a crushing Russian blow. The only option then left to the Exceptional Nation would be the nuclear option - would they dare?
Ca-moron should crawl back under that rock he came from. Just another disgusting USSA puppet. Britain lost its virginity a long, long time ago, no time to be righteous.
Better to hunker down, save your schillings and let the big boys fight it out.
Perhaps it is a function of my aging but I'm confused about who exactly is bombing people in Iraq and who exactly is bombing people in Syria. Are they two seperate wars ?
yes
And No...
Well, a bit of Both, actually! :>D
And once again, in order to do it, they will be paying the bill on a credit card. Like the UK has money to go to war !!
"Well just skip one of the other bills this month then. Maybe that jubilee?"
that's what fiat central banks are really, really for
to the point that if two well matched opponents would go to protracted war, the one with a fiat central bank would win anytime against the one without
Apparently the UK Chancellor has just found £27 billion he didn't know he had. It must have fallen behind the furniture or something. You can have a nice little war killing wogs for fun and profit with £27 billion.
adding more planes will do nothing to aid in the fight against terror and will only make the airspace more crowded, making it even more difficult for the Russians to determine who is who and which planes represent a threat and which ones don't.
That's the point - to increase the chances Russia shoots down the wrong plane. Or "accidently" shoot down a Russian plane. The pace of the escalation is picking up.
Nope, just reduce the chances of Russia getting clean shots on the illegal oil trains.
How much money does "Bill" have stashed in the UK? Sounds like they are trying to protect ISIS by overcrowding the skies trying to instigate.
Are the God’s of ISIS manifesting defense systems or what?
Doesn't the goddess Isis have roots in Egypt? Think about it.
Thanks for the warning!
Yes, it is wrong to make Russia do all the work of keeping the world safe from existential threats to human civilization. But that's how it always seems to work out when the monsters fed by the City finally turn on the banksters---and they always do.
If he's serious about helping the Russians, he could start by freezing the assets of Arab "kingdoms" and confiscating their homes in Knightsbridge. I shan't hold my breath.
One day we'll learn the names of the Arab "princes" who got to bugger Dave in public school---and the number of millions of pounds for ISIS it cost to keep their stinking yaps shut.
Perhaps people should take these homes in Knightsbridge themselves instead of complaining to mumsy about it.
If "he fucked a dead pig" didn't do it, do you think far-fetched stories about Arabian Nights will fare better?
Of course he's not serious about helping the Russians.
Britain is a US proxy. Full stop. The only reason he'll have the RAF there is to fly interference, create chaos.
It's a case of the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. Or rather knows but can't stop it.
If the Western powers were to do anything of the 'arresting the bad guys' sort of area, any sort of interference, there will be mass terrorist attacks from Da'esh. The world governments are sick of Rothschild and co. and are making sure they absolutely obliterate their Middle East Proxy before the stock market comes down and these people go to jail.
guess you haven't been keeping up with the news...............NOBODY IS GOING TO JAIL.........
For reasons that I summarised in that post.
Also, can't seem to edit my post there. Not sure about the 'stock market crash' part of it.
Another side of this is all these 'banker suicides/ deaths'.
Squeal and you die!
Too many cooks spoil the meal - let Russia take care of the problem unless of course you want to exacerbate the situation in which case you will get what you deserve...
If this was a 'real' war, they'd be using NAPALM or thermobaric munitions. Maybe now they'll begin to use more effective strategies.
I guess the best way to get rid of old farms have to go ahead and use them especially in the deserts of Syria. With so many Muslims living in England now, how will it play out in England once they start bombing other Muslims? If England has Muslim pilots, will they bomb Muslims in other countries?
think back for a moment about many of other wars
With so many Christians living in England now, how will it play out in England once they start bombing other Christians?
there is a strain of oversimplification cursing around that wants to somehow paint Muslims as if they were a compact group. this war pits many Muslims against other Muslims
the article is titled "The Redcoats Are Coming!". That was Christian Redcoats against Christian Rebels to the Crown
Indeed. What most people tend to overlook is that the overwhelming majority of ISIS and Al Qaeda victims have been Muslim. The terrorists financed and supported by Western governments target other Muslims with a few Westerners thrown in to keep the emotions high in the West. This is a natural by-product of Israel's mission to create chaos in the ME and indeed the world, setting us all against each other.
Really something,,, these "nations" preachin how their airspace is so precious, to the point of shooting down a Russian Jet that might have strayed 1 kilometer into that very precious airspace but have zero problems violating other countries airspace in the name of terrorism. Hell, Everyone knows NATO's ally Al CIAduh uses Turkey as a sanctuary and arms shipping/receiving depot,,, uses Jordan, SA and Qatar as staging areas but OMG their airspace is special.
Arabs taking the side of Western governments destroying their homes and countries, all for a God. Not Allah but rather a new special God,,, the US dollar. For it they kill their brothers.
They are being misunderstood when people say they heard them say Allahu Akbar! What they are really saying is Dollahu Akbar!
EDIT: " Finally, note that the tensions between Turkey and Russia will make the ongoing discussions in Vienna unbearable for Moscow and Ankara which means that any "progress" on a "political solution" probably crashed and burned with the Su-24 that went down near the Turkish border on Tuesday." ZH
Exactly what the Nazi-Neo Con war mongers in the USA want.
Neo Cons are Troskyite Jews in Conservative drag - so how can they be "Nazi".
Germany will deploy Tornado reconnaissance jets to support France in the fight against ISIS militants in Syria, a senior lawmaker for Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives confirmed Thursday.
it's very bad news the western coalition now gets messed into syria, as was promised would never happen when the netherlands sent jets to iraq.
warmongering Tory fucks havent really thought this one out. The RAF's gonna have to figure out a way to dodge the Russian fighters and the S-400 if the SHTF. It's just a tad harder than bombing goat herders and wedding parties.
Every single S-400 site has a big red crosshair right across it!
In real war, there are no limits, nothing is exempt if it provides any tactical or strategic advantage.
Someone has to go in and save ISIS from those pesky Russians.
It's like one of those street scenes where every single one of the gang has to get a kick in to the guy on the ground to keep his badass status.
This is Britain's attempt at reclaiming their reputation. Everybody knows they've been up to their neck in arming and training the Syrian opposition, ISIS and "moderates" included. Now Britain wants the gullible fools who still fall for BBC and Daily Mail propaganda to think that their government is on the "good" side by bombing the "baddies". Yes, there are still naive simpletons who fall for this crap, but their number is decreasing by the hour. Time is running out for your smoke and mirrors, Cameron.
"Now Britain wants the gullible fools who still fall for BBC and Daily Mail propaganda to think that their government is on the "good" side by bombing the "baddies"."
Except that they will ... "accidentally" ... be bombing the Syrian army and hopefully some hospitals.
+10
Re The Redcoats Are Coming
Sure. After all, it wouldn't be a show without Perfidious Albion firing potshots from under someone's skirts.
(If there's one supine, servile, gaping gaggle-of-goyim - apart from Dumb Yanks - it has to be the Thick Brits)
Well put, the French and English are washed up, they will just pass on strike information to NATO, who will warn ISIS. Besides, the Syrian government didn't invite these faggots anyway. Russian and Syrian need to tell these Western Euro buggers to bug out.
Britain and France are US lackeys. All they are going to do is pound sand, just like the US airforce.
The Brits have a better chance of killing ISIS members by dropping a bomb on Paris than bombing Syria.
The involvement of the Brits has nothing to do with ISIS and everything to do with thwarting the activities of the Russian forces.
"... the PM “told lawmakers on Thursday it was time to join air strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria, saying Britain cannot ‘subcontract its security to other countries'"
Why can't they? The US doesn't have any problem subcontracting its imperial aggression to their treasonous puppet politicians in european colonies like the UK.
It is wrong for those other countries who have neither UN mandate nor Syrian government permission to be bombin there in the first place. Let Syria/Iraq/Iran/Hezbollah handle it - they are doing an excellent job of it. These folks Cameron is talking about remain fervent anti-Assad stalkers and will use any excuse to remove Assad and/or destroy the infrastructure of the Syrian people as they did in Libya and Iraq.
So, Mr. Cameron - STAY OUT OF SYRIA! Let the professionals handle it.
It's only right that Cameron do his share to protect British Petroleum's (BP) cut from the proceeds of DAESH stolen oil sales to Turkey. hEAvy Duty Sarc
Which is precisely the point, isn't it? Make it more difficult for the Russian alliance to do its job? Note that when the US and Britain mention the anti-ISIS Coaltion, they never mention Russia, Iraq or Iran in that mix. This is not meant to be an anti-ISIS Coalition, but a continuance of the anti-Assad Coalition.
Russia should just declare a no fly zone and announce any non-Russia planes will be shot down.
Or maybe Syria could declare a no fly zone over its OWN country?
I think Russia is going to drop leaflets over the coalition airbases and say - you shoot at one of ours, you will receive multiple missiles up your rear.
I think we need to bomb the radical islamists back to the pre-stone age...
I think we need to burn at the stake those who created this farce. very slowly. But then it might be s very cold winter for some so let them fo it instead.
Radical islamist thinking is already pre-stone age. And this is where the west has lost the plot. The west things it can overcome the jihadists by offering open doors, benefits etc so as to make these people become like the rest of us. The problem is that it is part of their religious beliefs that we must all be converted or be made to perish.
So for an overwhelming percentage of these people there is a conviction that no amount of hospitality, accommodation and benefits can overcome.
In fact the "Christian" west finds itself caught between being considered an infidel by the Muslims and as Goyim by the Jewish people.
Sounds like the perfect reason to invite millions of Muslims to come live in your Country and let them have a good life without working.
Upon very little thought or discussion, we the people of the NATO nations, have decided to bomb our leaders, who are the ones responsible for creating this Clusterfuck in the first place...that is all, Peace Out.
Texas announced the commencement of air strikes in Syria.
It is now raining Bullshit in Syria!!!
damn who isnt bombing syria
In a tense statement before the House yesterday, PM David Cameron explained how an immediate intervention by the RAF in Syria could well change the course of human history forever. There were not enough countries dropping bombs by any means. "The time has come to step up to the crease, get off the back burner, draw a line in the sand, squirt on the lamppost, face the music, bite the bullet and look life straight in the eye." A squadron of Sopwith Camels loaded with hand-held "Squib" flash bombs is on the tarmac awaiting the approval of parliament. " May God guide your decision", sobbed Cameron as a bagpipe player in full traditional dress struck up "We'll meet again"You wanna fight some terrorists and their sponsors, how about you stop ignoring Erdogan clan?
Cameron comes out as another warmongering cockwomble with Barry Obama's hand stuck up his arse playing him for the puppet he is.
Fuck it I'm embarrassed to be British some times but at least I voted UKIP.
It is a sad time indeed when the Brits and Yanks are simultaneously ashamed of their homelands.
Never ashamed of my homeland or the great ordinary people who make it up. I am ashamed of the lying duplicitous snakes which pass for our political class.
The slimeball Cameron is trying to emulate HRH Tony Blair, in style, if not always in deed.
He fails to admit that British SAS forces have been on the ground in Syria and neighbouring countries for a long time training terrorists and stirring up anti-Assad sentiment.
Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said only yesterday in the HoC that Turkey is a partner with Britain and will remain so. He avoided mention that Turkey is an active supporter and supplier to ISIS.
One whopping bunch of pathetic slimeballs.
According to laRouchePAC, it's the other way around:
No Peace Until the British Monarchy Is Overthrown; British Puppet Obama Is an Asshole | LaRouchePAC
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So Obama has to choose between his "contained" ISIS buddies who he said he was destrying in the past, and NATO who he is helping to economically destroy. What a self-defeating clown. Who gets stabbed in the back? Probably both. Putin has plenty of bandaids for everyone after the moron in the Whitehouse is finally contained.
Obama: "ISIS is contained (on the planet)".
"the odds of World War III have increased exponentially"
Tylers, this mistake of yours has been made in enough articles recently that it's worth pointing out: Higher odds means a lower probability! (And vice versa, of course.)
(lost in translation)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/odds
I'm not sure what specific part of that dictionary page you're referring to. I didn't see anything that contradicts my point. Anyway, here it is in clearer terms (from someone who, unlike myself, is a native English-speaker). The last sentence seems like sound advice!
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/high-odds-or-low-odds
BTW, "The Redcoats" were Hessian mercenaries - not brits. Just sayin'
Germany has said it will also send planes..
so it seems Israel is not the chosen land... Syria is.... all nations are coming together there... just add China and few more.
ONE of the relgions seems correct... Jesus will reappear in Damascus.
Can you think of another time when all these nations brought firepower to one country??
a) The Crimean War
b) Spanish Civil War
c) Korean War
(I can keep going - it's a pattern of madness)
(excepting the U.S. in Crimea - except for observers)
at various times in the Ancient world ... Syria was Assyria, the Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire, and then under Alexander the Great.
YES your essential point is valid. This new war in Syria is expanding on a weekly basis to include more and more countries. Its definitely on a course to become a very large war.
Vlad! You did it! You got everybody to take their cars out of the garage for the show! Whether or not the NATO goons actually accomplish anything is secondary, but it proves that Russia can make things happen!
As if there are not enough back-stabbers on the playground. :(
The US public is brain dead and provides no constraints whatsoever on the actions of their governments, however evil and outrageous they may be.
The last show of resistance was the 3 million brits on the street against Iraq 2 - Iraq 2 which was a war on trumped up grounds to wreck the middle east and add tension stress and uncertainty for the lifetime of those around now.
Having swallowed that, the US public now swallows forming, training and arming ISIS , ISIS evolves into the biggest bogey man since A bin L, and now we are pretending to attack them.
i think that it's more subtle. i think that the concept of the 21'st Century War is this ... if They conduct a war using only satellites, drones and aircraft ... then the public really won't care what's going on. there are no body bags coming back to the homeland, so the public remains detached. and if They also limit the media coverage, so it looks like the Bad Guys are being attacked, then the public is placated. It's a new type of Hi-Tech War that is fought outside the coverage of mainstream media.
But I would agree that the US public as been incredibly apathetic ... about everything.
all these planes flying at high speeds over little Syria bombing all over the place... who is doing air traffic control? won't this create more refugees?