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Chief Of Russian Air Force Accuses Turkey Of Coordinated Ambush On Downed Jet
By now everyone is aware of the Turkish side of the story of how a Russian Su-24 was downed by a Turkish F-16 on Tuesday morning, when it allegedly crossed into Turkish airspace for a grand total of 17 seconds, with Turkey supposedly warning the Russian bomber which had been targeting alleged jihadists in the region no less than "ten times." Turkey even produced an alleged recording of said warning, which Russia implied was faked as the surviving pilot made it very clear no actual warning had been received by the Russian warplane.
So now that Russia has had three days to go through the evidence and assemble the pieces of what it thinks happened, here is the summary as presented earlier today by the Commander in Chief of the Russian air force, Viktor Bondarev, which however presents a very gloomy picture with dire consequences for the peaceful geopolitics of the middle east.
In summary, what Col. Gen. Bondarev said is that Turkey actively sought to ambush and bring down the Russian jet starting long before the actual missile was fired, which can be confirmed by the flight patterns of Turkish warplanes which had taken off well in advance, otherwise they would not have had enough time to reach the battlezone.
The Russian ministry of defense made this grave accusation quite explicit on Twitter an hour ago, when it said that Turkey had engaged in a choreographed ambush.
#SYRIA #Bondarev: Two F-16's were in the duty zone for 1 h 15 min (from 9:11 till 10:26) ready to attack from the air ambush
— ?????????? ?????? (@mod_russia) November 27, 2015
Here are the details of the Su-24's final hour as recounted by RT which notes that a pair of tactical bombers took off from Khmeimim airbase in Latakia at 06:15 GMT, with an assignment to carry out airstrikes in the vicinity of the settlements of Kepir, Mortlu and Zahia, all in the north of Syria. Each bomber was carrying four OFAB-250 high-explosive fragmentation bombs.
Ten minutes later, the bombers entered the range of Turkish radars and took positions in the target area, patrolling airspace at predetermined heights of 5,800 meters and 5,650 meters respectively. Both aircraft remained in the area for 34 minutes. During this time there was no contact between the crews of the Russian bombers and the Turkish military authorities or warplanes.
Some 20 minutes after arriving at the designated area, the crews received the coordinates of groups of terrorists in the region. After making a first run, the bombers performed a maneuver and then delivered a second strike.
Immediately after that, the bomber crewed by Lieutenant-Colonel Oleg Peshkov and Captain Konstantin Murakhtin was attacked by a Turkish F-16 fighter jet operating from the Diyarbak?r airfield in Turkey. The time needed to get the aircraft ready at the Diyarbak?r airfield and travel to the attack zone is an estimated 46 minutes.
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"The radar surveillance data confirms that two F-16 fighter jets were patrolling the flight zone for an hour an 45 minutes at an altitude of 2,400 meters [some 7,800 feet], which speaks of a deliberate action and their readiness to attack from an ambush over the Turkish territory," Bondarev told reporter.
In order to attack the Russian Su-24 with a close-range air-to-air missile, Bondarev said that the Turkish fighter jet had to enter Syrian airspace, where it remained for about 40 seconds. "According to radar tracking data, it was the Turkish warplane that crossed into the Syrian airspace for about 40 seconds to a depth of 2 kilometers [6,560 feet], while the Russian fighter-bomber never violated the Turkish border", he said.
#SYRIA #Bondarev: Objective monitoring data proves that Turkish jet was in Syrian airspace for 40 sec and dived 2 km into Syrian territory
— ?????????? ?????? (@mod_russia) November 27, 2015
Having launched its missile from a distance of 5-7 kilometers, the F-16 immediately turned towards the Turkish border, simultaneously dropping its altitude sharply and disappearing from the range of Russian radars at the Khmeimim airbase.
#SYRIA #Bondarev: Turkish fighter performed missile strike from 5-7 km, which proves that the F-16 was in the Syrian air space
— ?????????? ?????? (@mod_russia) November 27, 2015
The Russian general again reiterated that at no point preceding the attack did the Russian bomber violated Turkish airspace.
One of Turkish F-16Cs stopped its maneuvers and began to approach the Su-24M bomber about 100 seconds before the Russian aircraft came closest to the Turkish border, which also confirms the attack was pre-planned, said Bondarev.
"At 10.24 Moscow time the crew carried out bombing and after it the plane was shot down by an air-to-air missile launched by a Turkish Air Force F-16 that had taken off from the 8th Diyarbakir airbase on the Turkish territory."
The launch of a missile was confirmed by the crew of the second Russian Su-24. "[The crew] observed a plume of a white smoke and reported it."
And this is where the narrative gets even more convoluted because according to Bondarev the Turkish F-16 was guided to its intended target from the ground and launched an air-to-air missile while the Russian warplane was readying to carry out a second attack on terrorist positions.
"The method of guidance of F-16 aircraft into effective engagement zone directly, but not along the pursuit course curve shows that the fighter jet was directed from a ground control station," Bondarev told reporters.
The fighter jet stopped maneuvers in the area of patrolling and commenced missile launching a minute and 40 seconds before the Su-24 maximum proximity to the Syrian-Turkish border, Bondarev added.
#SYRIA #Bondarev: F-16 fighter started leaving duty zone for offset point in 1 minute 40 sec before max approach of #Su24M to the border
— ?????????? ?????? (@mod_russia) November 27, 2015
Furthermore, it appears that the jihadist groups on the ground were anticipating an event of this kind playing out above them.
Bondarev called attention to the readiness of the Turkish media, which released a professionally-made video of the incident recorded from an area controlled by extremists a mere 1.5 hours after the Su-24 was downed.
Furthermore, the operation to rescue the surviving navigator took several hours and eventually recovered Konstantin Murakhtin, although one Russian Marine in the team was killed when the rescue helicopter was destroyed by a US-made tank missile launched by the extremists – an incident they filmed and published online within hours of the attack.
He also mentioned the memorandum of understanding regarding the campaign in Syria, signed by Moscow and Washington on October 26. In accordance with this agreement, the Russian side informed its American counterparts about the mission of the two bombers in the north of Syria on November 24, including the zones and heights of operation.
"Taking this into account, the Turkish authorities' statement on not knowing which aircraft were operating in the area raises eyebrows."
#SYRIA Statements of Turkish party that they hadn't ID'd Rus aircraft are confusing: US AF received data about Su-24M from #Hmeymim airbase
— ?????????? ?????? (@mod_russia) November 27, 2015
Finally, Bondarev also mentioned the memorandum of understanding regarding the campaign in Syria, signed by Moscow and Washington on October 26. In accordance with this agreement, the Russian side informed its American counterparts about the mission of the two bombers in the north of Syria on November 24, including the zones and heights of operation.
This is perhaps the most important accusation, as it ties in with the incendiary remark lobbed by Putin at US "protocols" yesterday:
We told our US partners in advance where, when at what altitudes our pilots were going to operate. The US-led coalition, which includes Turkey, was aware of the time and place where our planes would operate. And this is exactly where and when we were attacked. Why did we share this information with the Americans? Either they don't control their allies, or they just pass this information left and right without realizing what the consequences of such actions might be. We will have to have a serious talk with our US partners.
To summarize, here is what Russia has implied: the US shared the flight path details of the Russian Su-24 with Turkey in advance of the flight, which then Turkey used to ambush and take down the Russian bomber, with the implicit blessing of the Pentagon. Turkey may have further shared data with "Syria Free Army" US-armed jihadists on the ground, who not only recorded the downing of the bomber and the execution of its parachuting pilot, but also were prepared to attack a Russian rescue helicopter (with US weapons) which led to a second casualty - an attack which was also captured on clip and promptly uploaded!
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If Putin is in indeed onboard with this version, he will deem - perhaps not diplomatically, but certainly in internal circles - Turkey's aggression to be an act of war, and not only by Turkey but by NATO and the US, which provided Turkey with the data it needed to lead to a Russian loss of life.
What Russia's next steps will be is unclear, however as we reported previously, we expect far more aggressive provocations on the Syria-Turkey border by both sides, especially now that every Russian bombers will have air support, and now that Russian S-400 missiles can reach any provoking Turkish jet in minutes, in effect Russia establishing a "No Fly Zone" above Syria.
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Coordinating with the terrorists most likely.
How quickly they were able to hit that heli with a tow.
Putin wants to hit Saudi Arabia’s and Qatar’s refineries and take control of the Oil & Gas prices.
That’s why Europe and the US, all of a sudden, have made a scape goat out of Erdogan.
Erdogan is an asshole – no doubt, but the downing of SU-24 could’ve been easily worked out between him and Putin.
Even now, Putin is trying to help Erdogan to save face. All he wants is (1) Erdogan’s public apology, (2) financial compensation to the families, and (3) punishing those who gave the order. THAT’S IT!!!
Both, the US and Europe, are desperately trying to save Saudi Arabia and Qatar from Putin’s retaliation strike for the passenger jet blown-up in Egypt (and for many other things).
The last thing Putin should do is to allow being sucked into the carefully prepared anti-Turkey bullshit sandwich. I think? ;-)
Looney
You have a vivid imagination. Nothing about Putin's past behaviour suggests he is going now to go after Saudi or Qatari targets.
What you got right, is that the plane downing is highly convenient to put a wedge between Turkey and Russia. It is a strategic coup in and of itself, but the ultimate prize is the closure of the Bosphorus to the Russian navy, which may or may not be planned also. Time will tell.
Erdogan doesn't need much coaxing to lead his nation into the role of patsy, because he is a corrupt and stupid man. NATO won't abandon Turkey, but Turkey is now DEPENDENT on NATO protection, which it wasn't until this week. The US now has its prize vassal by the balls.
Not openly but if some USA or Euro made "mines" were floating in the harbour of the Saudi export facility on the north shore then who would know who really put them there?
It would only shut down the port temporarlily but send a clear message.
As to Turkey they will lose billions.Trade will be one way. Russia will get Turkey's money for gas and Turkey will get nothing. Also count on a "terrorist" bomb plot at the transmition station for Turkey this winter. Of course no damage will be done because the Russians will "catch" the terrorists before anything happens but the facility will have to be shut down for a week or two to difuse the bombs.
Watch for Gazprom to change back to Bulgaria. Now that North Stream 2 is going to happen all the eastern transit countries are mad and may just grow a pair and tell the Eurocrats to get stuffed.
yes, doubtless a brilliant plan by CIA standards, but that is not how this Russian leadership thinks. They actually make every effort to adhere to decent codes of conduct, and international law.
I am starting to think this is the beginings of WWIII. If you look at the huge gas field that is split between Quatar and Iran (3/5s and 2/5s respectively and roughly speaking), the Quatar owned gas is rougly equal to all of Russia's giant gas fields combined.
Started here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_gas_fields
And dug into the South Pars/North Dome a bit.
What is happening - observably - is all of Russias gas routes to Europe (i.e. the customer) are being thrown under the bus (e.g. Ukraine). Turkey just turned on Russia, perhaps out of narrow self interest for its turd of a leader, but those are the facts. Both Turkish and Ukrainian routes look very questionable, so the gas route options for Russia are now the very out of the way Nord Stream - which has its own risks.
Of course, geo-politics in this area is a mess, everyone seems to be friend and enemies all at once, so maybe they can repair their relationship with Turkey, but it seems unlikely at this point.
Point being, if Russia is unable to secure transit to Europe, it is going tits up in a big way unless it can find new customers or a different export set to fund its government. This is the game I think.
Regards,
Cooter
America giving coordinates to Turkey to shoot down a Russian bomber bombing ISIS.
American ally Turkey given the go ahead to sell ISIS oil to support their terror
America giving ISIS a tow missle to shoot down a Russian rescue helicopter
A timely Paris bombing to get other NATO counties into Syria.
It is a testimony to the effectiveness of American propaganda and an indictment of the stupidity of the American people that still the public believes CNN fairy tales that America is in Syria fighting ISIS, rather than supporting ISIS, occupying the middle east and destroying nation after nation to support the Petro dollar on behalf of bankers, oil companies and it's hegemonic military.
Like you said, Ukraine, Turkey, Syria. All systematically being cut off to Russia. Russia can perish in a fight, or it can perish by starving to death.
US Britain did the same to Japan prior WW2. Cut off Indonesian oil, forced Pearl Harbour. That one ended with a nuke. Maybe this time it will start with one. Twisted fucks like McCain, dipshit lackeys like Obama, and power mad politicoes like Hilary couldnt give a shit.
God blesss and keep Vladimir Putin.
America ruins the world to rule it.
+50 This is rthe best comment I've read on ZH in a while
You forgot a timely bombing of peaceniks in Istanbul by Erdogan to keep him in power
While we're at it let's mention our lovely best friends the Saudis and the insane sums of money we make arming them so they can spead Wahabbi hatred around the globe.
Wouldn't be a complete list without the lovely Israelis, the war criminals of Shatilah and Gaza.
"America ruins the world to rule it."
You have to destroy the village in order to save it. Akin to starving your guests so they'll eat your shit sandwich.
Na Qatar sources are less compared to Russia.They lead in LNG but not i natural gas.
Don't trust anything on WikipediaTime to slam a cruise missile nuclear bomb on Raqqa. To make it clear that the rules have changed and the West is playing with fire.
Perfectly legal as long as it is done in cooperation with, and approved by, the Syria government.
if Russia is unable to secure transit to Europe, it is going tits up in a big way unless it can find new customers or a different export set to fund its government
Or if they invade Turkey?
Constantinople + route to the med. hmmmmm
Thats CzarGrad to you.
They just need to help Greece reclaim West Constantinople and all land west thereof, then run their pipeline under the Black Sea to Greece.
Turkey would be finished, last the main course in last night's dinner.
AKA Rumelia. The land west of the Bosporus was called Rumelia (Land of Romans). The land east of the Bosporus was called Rum, now called Asia Minor/Anatolia.
Italians will tell you this was because of the city of Rome. I am more skeptical. I think Rome was named after Rum and Rumelia, but its a long story. Suffice to say, Rome was sacked a great many times in medieval times, and Constantinople only a handful of times.
Good points Coot,
So does Russia have any chance? What would its' play be here?
IMO, they need allies and they need China. It would be in Russias interest if Sino Japanese relations worsen or if the US gets China mad.
If Russia gets its Bosporus exit blocked then they will need a port in Syria and a pipeline through Syria to get its oil/gas out.
If Europe boycott's Russia's commodities, then its game over, and the mofo imperialists from Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Murika and the tribe that can't be mentioned will win.
It looks like this strangulation of Russia was well planned.
The US will be happy as there will be no competitors. If Russia is gone, then CHina has no chance as well.
Such defeats would bring out the hawks in Russia. Despite the risible bashing he gets in the western press, Putin is as aggressive as a librarian, and as despotic as your grandma.
The shame of it is, that the whole world has to go through convulsions while the stupid neocons learn the lessons of hubris.
What would happen if the Russian hawks come out? Realistically?
WWIII?
Russia rallies ex-soviet states into a trade-assurance conglomerate, mutual security pact for all oil/gas pipelines via Russia to China. China assures port access to global economies via it's growing navy with dominance in the South China seas bolstered by newly built sandcastle islands that have med-range air-strike capabilities (think missle batteries that will send 2,000 little missles at once at a big ship, Phalanx system can't get them all in time). China ensures world compliance by threatening to withdraw goods manufacture... cause let's be honest, it's not like the world can pretend it can still make things at factories, that ship sailed 10 years ago, and would take >4 years to ramp back up... which country out there will forgive it's "leadership" for reelection after 4 years of _proper_ global depression, to make the Dust Bowl look like the land of plenty...
So, we have reestablishment of the USSR with China included, it's the old-boy wet dream for the military psychopaths esconded in their bunkers for that "last big hooora~" before expiring into history's great recycling bin in the sky. Dinosaurs never die willingly, they eat everything in site, scorched earth before irrelevance, that's the military-industrial-complex.
Nage
After the last few years, connect dots : Minsk, Kiev, Crimea, Georgia, The Bosphorus, Cyprus, Syria.
Pincer movements or front.
Turkey may be in the middle again, Constantinople, Ottoman, New Empire of the region, border between East and West.
Will Russia try to take on Ukraine or Turkey to keep the natty flowing West ?
Need pipelines.
and the planners name be Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Obama's mentor at Columbia University.
ZH's spinning of Russian foreign policy is as hilariously bad as Janet Yellen's take on the US economy.
"Decent codes of conduct"--like killing dissident journalists? Invading Crimea? Or what about banning any NGO group it doesn't like with the Russian undesirable organizations law signed in May, which Tyler (big surprise) didn't cover at all? Yes Western media is biased, this slavishly pro-Putin propaganda makes Fox News tame by comparison.
Not that Tyler cares about facts when it comes to the Syrian conflict, but the Turkmen technically aren't Jihadists, but ethnic Turks living in Syria propped up by Turkey (via special forces). If anything it's nationalistic, not religious in motive. ISIS isn't anywhere in that bordering region, a distinction that the brainwashed ZH crowd cannot make.
Well it's okay now, because you've exposed the rot here and put everybody straight. Take the winner's trophy and fuck off.
I must say Yukatan, you seem to have succinctly hit the proverbial nail on the head. indeed, it illicited such profoudlly thought out comments by folks like Maxuk
Also notice, where a comment is not pro putin, if you select a down arrow, the up arrow automaticaly counterbalances the selection.
Yes indeed, ZH fair and balanced reporting. Reminds me of the time leading up to our Convention in Phildelphia, my friend and collegue Mr. Adams would be appalled
Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.
Thomas JeffersonTRM Merkel released a statement a couple days ago saying Germany was doing to send up to an additional 150 advisers to train the Pershumuga which surely will piss Turkish plans to keep striking the Kurds. I think North Stream will happen despite the 13 EU signees against it. Frankly if Europe could get a decent gas distribution system going it would be win because they could negotiate a great Gazprom rate while still receiving LNG at half dozen ports.
The Iranians could shut down the Straits easily enough. That would be all you need to send oil to the moon.
None of these scenarios are realistic though.
Lay bare Turkey's support of ISIS and you will put a massive amount of pressure on NATO. Greece, France, Hungary and maybe Poland want no part of the immigrants or being allied with ISIS.
France proposing sealing the Turkey-Syrian border will go a long way to stopping the Syrian violence.
Sealing the Turkey-Syrian border first requires annihilating the government opposition in that area - the so-called moderate terrorists who shoot up airmen in the parachutes and multilate their bodies.
The West's elites are the prime target in a nuclear war, and even though a small and select strata might have time to hide in a deep bunker, the vast substrata that supports them, runs their bureaucracies and mans their deep state will certainly be annihilated.
No intelligent power like Russia is likely to waste a perfectly good nuke on Paducah Kentucky, but it is certain that the entire population of Manhattan Island, and the DC beltway will be vaporized along with West Los Angeles (propaganda production central) and Silly Valley. After all, the purpose of nuclear war is to "kill the king" but to spare the resources of the country being attacked so that they may be used by the victor. The effluvia of the silos in Iowa and Nebraska can be intercepted. Remarkably, our elites and their supporting substrata still believe that the main combatants will be rural boys from Texas and Tennessee which in a strange turn of justice will be the safest places to hide.
The nuclear war our elites seek to provoke will be the first in nearly a thousand years in which the elites themselves will be on the front lines of the combat. I should also note that the billionaire olgigarchs that run the U.S. government from behind the scenes are concentrated in about 18 to 20 zip codes. Does anyone believe that Russia is unaware of those zip codes and has not already targeted them?
A very interesting analysis from Mr Palladium-a contributor I was not hitherto aware of.
In ancient battles, the ruling Elites had to put their balls on the line- and in many, many instances they were annihilated. Think battle of Carrhae, in which Marcus Crassus (possibly the richest man ever to have lived) died along with his son and heir, or Battle of Bosworth (end of the Plantagenets) or Flodden (Death of the King of Scotland).
The recent wars have all been about 'peasant' casualities- but the next ones might be different!
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A very interesting analysis from Mr Palladium-a contributor I was not hitherto aware of.
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read joel skousen. he was on this slant a decade or more ago.
js said the timing was for after 2020 when russia (and china) had completed their weapon mod programs.
but his point was that there would be a hit and it would be very focused, to decap the US mil (and leave the rest in place).
maybe an update to JS theory is recognition that the neocon infra cannot be left in place. meaning the target list includes Palladium's locations.
Just bomb the shit out of the Bilderberg hotel. They will get the message.
You got my vote, if only to shut down......... you know what NO fuck it just because they are such assholes and I'd love to do a jig in the dust of thier departure......
In the next Big One, the peasants on both/all sides simply need to take out the Oligarchs and its next sub-strata. That's about 500,000 total (5000 Oligarchs and family, and 450,000 in their direct sub-strata).
Which is why they will pit Europeans against refugees, and North Americans against North Americans (of different race).
Marcus Crassus; didn't they melt gold and execute him by pouring it down his lying throat?
How apt.
The first goal of nuclear strike is killing the srate and changing elites. Vaporising of rural boys is not the goal. Goal is thal rural boys slaughter the elite after nuclear strike.
Because of the Russiab Federation isthe only state in the world that could eliminate USA in response nuclear punch, and in that case all american elites will loose their welth.
And because in USA the welthmens at the rule, there is simple conclusion that:
- There will be no nuclear war
- The red button in USA is not in order state. It is naturally broken to avoid accidental exchange of nuclear strikes.
That Turkish airbase needs some Iskander attention, price to be paid for this unfortunately, hopefully it does not get out of hand.
Call a spade a spade (why for 7 years that has been considered a racial slur I will never know) sometimes you just have to work through the symptoms one at a time ...... when was the last time one of these ancient elite fucks like Soros went for a dirt nap? These phukers have got to be vampires or something.... at any rate they appear to be major puppeteers in this show - would it be wrong to want to see what the world would be like without them around anymore??
They don't go for their dirt naps because they buy up body parts from "state ward" children to prolong their evil lifespans. Some Rothschild went through his seventh heart just the other day. I feel for the poor child who had to die to provide him another three years of life.
Then again, considering that these self style "elites" buy kids as sex toys to physically and psychologically abuse, maybe the ones in the organ farms have it lucky.
How is it likely now that you would trust anything coming out of the US Mercenaries. Those paid Turkish bitches need a lesson in loyalty. Fuck Erdogan and the CIASIS that plays with it.
Lavrov and Syrian FM Walid al-Moallem hold joint press conference in Moscow (ENGLISH)http://thesaker.is/lavrov-and-syrian-fm-walid-al-moallem-hold-joint-pres...
I seem to recall the US saying they were inserting Special Forces into Northern Syria to 'provide expertise'.
Enter Dancing Forces, Stage Left.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Noplebian now since two days ago this exact same thing posted 38 times minimally.
Is spambot. Not possible to conclude otherwise.
The US had its second highest ranking military officer in Ankara when the Su-24 was shot down. Admiral James Winnefeld Jr, the Vice Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff was there to oversee the attack
And how do we know it wasn't one of his guys doing the attack?
where'd you find that?
What did you expect of criminal Erdogan? Turkey supplied sarin to rebels to frame Assad. More than a thousand Syrians were killed by that sarin.
Seymour Hersh Links Turkey to Benghazi, Syria and SarinThe assessment of the Defense Intelligence Agency is that the sarin was supplied by Turkey to elements in Ghouta with the intent of “push[ing] Obama over the red line.” Intercepted transmissions from Turkish operators in the aftermath of the attack are jubilant, and the success of their covert mission must have seemed well in hand. Obama’s implicit call to war in the coming month was proof of that.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/06/seymour-hersh-links-turke...
USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
This is a great news for Russia: Last year's investment pariah Russia comes in from the cold
"Russia is definitely one to watch," Mark Burgess, CIO for Columbia Threadneedle Investments, EMEA told the recent Reuters Global Investment Outlook summit. "Were there to be any signs of sanctions being lifted, there would be investment opportunities being thrown up from that."
There is more to this than a dam pipe line thru Syria . Somebody's want ww3
All things are connected. In this case, it's about being top-dog, which one cannot do without controlling all of the chokepoints.
At least that what Zbigniew told me.
I posted upthread.
They are cutting off Russia's gas delivery routes to Europe and attempting to replace it with "western controlled" sources.
At least, that is the game being played out in lives and blood.
Regards,
Cooter
Except their cunning plan to bankrupt Russia has taken all the US shale scammers as well.
They need something big enough to distract us from the coming collapse of our economy. The FED isn't going down as the guilty party holding the bag. This is the set up to shift blame.
Like Dueling Banjos, we have Dueling Pipelines:
The Qatar-Turkey line, vs. the Iran-Syria line. The latter would go via N.Iraq and N. Syria, to the Mediterranean.
If the Saudis and US want to goad Erdogan into hothead acts, then all they have to do, is to convince him that the Russians are part of this.
The Russians, for their part, can add their gas to said pipeline and thus create a PipeNETWORK. Checkmate!
america passes on details of russia's su-24 jet flightpath
you go murika
one step closer to wwIV
World war (Scene) 1 never ended.
This is scene 5 or 6 to my knowledge.
This is all staged for the masses.
Its one big theatre.
Another false flag attack between two supposed 'enemies'.
Thats it.
Putin is no different the dictator than Erdogan and his isis son.
Putin studied in the Russian kgb skool of "false flag" and other events made to get the lemmings to follow their leader.
Of course and The Rothschilds fund both sides as usual.
It's pretty funny the Putin fan boys removed putin's d.i.c.K from their mouths long enough to click "downvote" on your post.
Thomas the oh fuck train!Rapetrain, a name given to you in prison?
Would explain his active interest in the passive relations of men.
can't yoiu just leak the cubicle cowboy daily talking points?
Say no more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV3QgDq2TGw
It doest make sense. How is this a false flag? Do you mean the attack didnt take place?
Waste of time in asking, lacks comprehension on adult scale and copypaste phrases might not able even to read.
Troll of simple minded capable only to follow basic instructions the State Department manual.
expect a blistering response come Monday at the exact same time Putin is face to face with POTUS
cause that's how Putin rolls
No fear.
Interesting that the Russians are ramping up the rhetoric.
Erdogan may want to buy some more life assurance, not insurance, about now.
Y:es Putin, we all know that is what they did. We all know the US participated.
We all know that your airliner was taken down by US/Massad and credit given to their proxy "terrorists".
If Putin is what his fans claim, a patriot of Russia, then he has been reduced to complaining in the media. He may attack the proxy but never the source and cannot even mention Israel at all. And Russia/Putin have postioned their allies to be slaughtered (Iraq, Libya, Syria, EUk, Serbia) and such short term planning has come back on them as they no longer have strong allies (China is for China).
If Putin is just a part (junior part) of the NWO then this is just threater of conflict. And Russia/Putin pretended to be allies to other countries in order to set them up for destruction to make way for the NWO. (Watch out Iran, and Hezbollah, Putin may have set a trap for you.)
Stop expecting Putin to act like a westerner.
He was a lawyer in the KGB, not an operator. His lawyer training kicks in in these situations.
Knowing something is true, is not proof in any court,let alone the court of world opinion.
Thats the only audience he's interested,and plays to.
Your approbation is not needed or required.
Stop expecting Putin to act like a westerner.
Exactly. Before he makes his next move, he has to convincingly paint Turkey as the aggressor. I don't foresee any kind of attack inside Turkey's borders. But outside Turkey, he has plent of room.
What might happen next. Looking at a map, it's pretty easy for Russia to blockade ISIS oil sources in Syria and Iraq. Dare Turkey get in their way.
His next move might not be a military one.
Turkey, and by extension the USA, have just been outed as the airforce and ally of ISIS. If this in turn, is not lost on the Iraqis, who have lost half their territory to ISIS, then Iraq may move categorically into an alliance with Russia. This would then give Russia a contiguous land and air corridor from the Caspian sea to the Mediterranean (Iran/Iraq/Syria), for the forseeable future.
Such a coup would be a seismic defeat and own goal to the neocons. You can bet your life that the Russians have been talking to the Iraqis all week.
In fact, I cannot emphasise this enough. From the Russian perspective, Iraq is now the key.
The neocons know this too, and this is the next Russian relationship that they will do everything to stymie, if they can.
Could also become the gaz pipeline route - a bit longer, but through friendly countries, some international waters and no turkeys. Check the map.
Russia - Caspian - Iran - Iraq - Syria - Cyprus - Crete - Greece - Italy - Austria.
I can almost see the headlines now. Syria and Iraq going public about ISIS stealing their oil. Winter is only a month away. Beautiful!!
I had the same gut feel when I started reading about all the tankers backed up at ports with nothing to do buy hang around.
Traders, who know a geo-political event is coming, would love the opportunity to buy low and sell high, for just a carry fee in between.
But, Russia jacked its core interest rate earlier this year and absolutely blew out the insiders (western banks) that were suddenly positioned incorrectlyed. ZH covered the breaking of the exchanges and little guys who were forced out of their positions so insiders could cover (I suspected lots of naked shorts - sort of a financial attack - that suddenly had to be covered).
Russia clearly likes high prices, but there is a benefit to keeping the peace as well, letting the oil pile up, and weak hands get forced out. Just one of the many vectors at play - who knows what will happen or why.
After all Russia is really in the business of selling hydrocarbons and they are still making money even at current prices.
Regards,
Cooter
He's not going to attack Turkey! He's going to convince the people of Turkey their leader is a Zionist/American shill/puppet, and that Russia and Turkey should not be fighting each other, for the benefit of America and Greater Israel!
Serious question:
Could this be the play to get China involved too? This is 1200 miles of land betwen the Med coast in Syria and the capital of Turkmenistan. That is a pretty sizable chunk of the 'silk road'.
Well, could be, though the term silk 'road' is misleading as it implies exclusivity.
There can be several silk roads, including one from China through Russia to Europe, without having to go through all the corrupt Stans, and unstable Middle East.
I always took "silk road" simply to mean trade from the two sides of the Eurasian land continent (i.e. Europe to SE Asia).
In the case of your comment, just limit your analysis to the players impacted/effected.
I find this map VERY helpful:
http://www.kaldor.no/energy/lecture20090312-oilprice%20%287%29.JPG
Notice that a minority group (Wahabis) run Saudi Arabia (the royal family is Wahabi). Notice where all the Sunni and Shia are then start paying attention to where the oil is.
This might add some color to your question.
Regards,
Cooter
Great map. I was wondering why Azerbijan had so much more military spending than what Armenia did. That perfectly explains it.
I get the "silk road" is just a concept and not describing an actual highway per se. What I was thinking was if you had a 'stable' Shiite crescent through the Arab world, it would be of potential interest to China.
Honestly, I can't see a long term path for a silk road that goes south of the Russia. There is far too many unstable/unfriendly countries to deal with.
The most passable land route from Russia through the Caucusus to the Middle East is also through Azerbaijan (through the Derbent gates, to Baku).
If I were Iran, I'd start doing more than just pump the gas field under the Gulf (shared with Qatar):
I'd "Pull a Kuwait" and siphon off the Qatari share with Horizontal Drilling. What's Doha gonna do about it? "Pull a Saddam" and invade Iran? LOL.
No wonder that Doha and Riyadh are shitting their camel pants, and the Fed its Levi Shorts.
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Regards,
Cooter
Putin has already neutralised Turkish air power with the S-400. He could also neutralise ground forces into Kurdish areas with Kornet and manpads. Effectively, Turkey in now an increasingly minor player in Syria. ErDOGan shot himself in the balls, and the pain just ain't gonna stop. :-)
An interesting question is whether APK has managed to neutralised all of the Turkish Kemalist schooled secularists in the Turkish military. If not, could there be the possibility of a coup to restore the Kemalist settlement?
It's pretty clear Russia put the 50-year-old airplane in danger hoping that sooner or later it would get shot down by Turkey to serve as a pretext to escalate.
It's clear because Russia is not interested in increasing cash flows; it is interested in escalating the conflict.
This is proven by the planned economic sanctions against Turkey. Sanctions always hurt both sides, because it is impossible for any side to unilaterally do something that increases their cash flows (else they would have already done it). Sanctions, by definition of curtailing free trade, hurt both parties.
Thats a big stretch.Mistakes were made,not to be repeated,the Russians will now
shoot first and ask questions later from now on.
If it's not true, and a result of poor military discipline, how can we explain the ready escalation of Russia into economic sanctions. This is serious.
Economic sanctions further hurt both parties. If Russia did not want escalation, it would seek compensation, not escalation.i
Consider the possibility of needing a reason to escalate against Turkey because of the great amount of aid ISIS receives from Turkey (like Turkey buying ISIS oil).
If the Turks had apologized, face would have been saved and everyone would be discussing cooporation, reparations and how everyone is still in the fight together. Instead, you have a moved a couple of steps to all out war.
In order to avoid all out war, Russia is going to have to expose Turkey and the West is going to have to shun it. Either way, this Black Friday is not the end of the story, it is just the end of this chapter.
Even if Russian plane crossed air space for few seconds it is not a reason to shot it down by formerly friendly nation. Also, according to international norms the plane must have been contacted, radio and visual communication must have been established, should have been asked to land, warning shots should have been fired and so forth before actual shooting. It cannot be done within few seconds. Russian plane was shot down four kilometres in Syrian space and to do that turkish plane flew inside Syrian Airspace . To do this heat seeking missile was used(probably Sidewinder) . It is was an ambush plain and simple.
let the facts sink in Choo Choo Motherfucker
I think your ass is hanging out.
Wladimir Putin sending Greetings to his ISIS friends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agZhDjACVis
and on the other side of the road ISIS is happy with Allaha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US1ExzFw0KQ
Boom!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZyt38XkGcY
Many visited Alan's Snackbar on that day.
The first video is from Donbas not Syria.
It's clear because Russia is not interested in increasing cash flows; it is interested in escalating the conflict.
I think you have it reversed. He's letting the US axis escalate the conflict.
It makes perfect sense to use the oldest planes that can do the job and save the best for the right time.
They fly that plane because it serves its function.
The plane had no fighter escort because it was deemed not needed. ISIS does not have an air force.
They could have flown the Bear and not worried about fighter jets attacking them
Seriously, are you this stupid?? You cannot even deduce such simple facts?
I tend to believe there are no "good guys" in geopolitics...everyone acts in their self-interest. That said, the only "clear" thing here is the Turks shot down a combat aircraft of a nation with more than 3K ICBMs over an alleged airspace incursion of 1.3 nm and a total of 17-seconds that was clearly not intending to bomb targets in Turkey.
As for "ready sanctions," you've evidently turned a blind-eye to how the Obama NSC has handled damn near every global situation over the past seven years. They ALWAYS start off with escalating ladders of economic sanctions meant to harm the elites of the target nation. Evidently Putin's version of an NSC is now employing that weapon. To say Putin and Russia wanted this is 180-degrees off of reality...most of the FP braniacs in the Beltway were more concerned over the past 18-months that Turkey was buddying-up to Putin too much, and negating unity in trying to punish him for Crimea and then E. Ukraine.
You are just making excuses for Putin's inaction.
So we have gone from Putin the scary bear to Putin the lawyer who is going to take "them" to court.
Yeah, watch out!! Putins going to sue now!
Nuremburg 2.0 is on Putin's agenda. Stop dring the koolaide.Putin was only scary to you and your fellow
drinkers.
Oh yes, that is some scary Putin there. He is going to call to order his own Nuremburg trial out of thin air, and all his suspects are going to show up and abide.
The military tribunals of the Nuremberg trials occurred after war dipshit. If Putin and other reasonably sane players manage to survive there would most certainly be trials. They could also have trials in advance and find people guilty regardless of their ability to enforce consequences at the time which is a great way to distribute your account of things.
If they go down we will all be screwed and there will likely be no trials of despots ever... enjoy.
I am not the one unaware of when the trials happened or how they were conducted.
It is the Putin fans who claim he making some masterful chess move by planning for some future fantasy trial while watching his planes get shot down who do not understand. And just why do you Putin fans think these trials would just be about the events related to russia. Have you heard about Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, Panama, Ganada, the opium war on China, Vietnam, war against the natives of america, the Mora's (?) in the Philipenes and so on. When are all the other tribunals set to start.
Inaction as a master chess move to show how Putin's forces and allies were destroyed in some make believe trial. Brilliant.
You need to realize that these powers have been in charge for a long time. Putin's inaction, or more accurately, calculated action, may be keeping you from being nothing but a shadow on the ground somewhere. There is no telling where this is going to go at this point but they are obviously trying to bait him out. So why would he take the bait that has so obviously been offered?
There wont ever be trials for the horrors of the distant past because the perps are all dead, that doesn't mean that there won't be trials after this war, we are talking about major powers now and current event.
His inaction has been to not take the bait that NATO desperately needs in order to justify their presence in both Syria and Ukraine.
The instant he reacts is the instant the the entirety of Western media paints him as the next Hitler.
Now, are you really to thick to see this, or are you yourself part of the baiting?
So, while Putin watches his allies be destroyed again and his planes shot down or blown out of the sky. All it takes is the threat of bad press in the media to make him take it. I guess that is winning for Putin?
What is Putin and Russia supposed to do against the us/nato plus the saudis and takfiri psychos exactly?
You comment in the same vein sufficiently that its fairto say you are an anti-Russian troll.
You make the 'putin hasnt do the impossible or the diplomatically foolish therefore his is worse than Obama' type argument over and over and over.
Surprised you didnt mention the s300s again. You seem to really enjoy repeatedly faulting Putin for not "honoring" contracts with two countries under massive sanctions and threat of war.
Your hyper focus sort of makes tour agenda obvious and thats fine but you dont seem to much appreciate the sancyions issue nor the fact the us has been trying very hard to start a world war on a pretext.
You are basicly saying Putin is impotent and cannot muster any military reaction to whatever NATO does.
Then the Putin fans should switch to that meme. Drop the do not poke the bear meme. Or the chess player meme.
And as you say, Putin is so afraid of NATO he refused to honor the 2007 contracts to supply the S300 to both Syria and Iran. Purposly leaving them unable to properly defend their sky's against NATO and Israel. And those massive sanctions were voted for or consented to by Russia/Putin. And you mention that an allie was under the threat of war (Syria, Iran) was justification not to provide the defense system already contracted for. Well, with friends like Putin who needs enemies?
Or, maybe Putin is in on the game and this is why he and russia have voted for or consented to sanctions and nofly zone on their "allies". Maybe Putin and the russian elite have a minor seat (or want to) at the NWO.
And what about poor little Yemen. It was not even NATO attacking. It was Saudi Arabia. And Putin voted FOR the sanctions and naval blockade against Yemen. Was that due to the fear of war with SA? sheesh, Putin.
I often wonder if you are right, but you seem to draw satisfaction from that, whereas to me, it would be a cause for alarm.
However, before you get too excited, remember these little trinkets;
1) the drubbing of NATO's Georgia project in 2008, and the liberation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia
2) the liberation of Crimea last year, another poke in the eye to NATO.
3) The fact that Russia is in Syria at all, and has pulled the rug from NATO's feet.
I wouldn't get too excited about Putin's passivity just yet; the narrative is still in play.
And as you say, Putin is so afraid of NATO he refused to honor the 2007 contracts to supply the S300 to both Syria and Iran.
Or perhaps, at that time, he wanted to show friendship. It might have been when the US broke the Reagan-Gorbachev agreement to keep missiles out of Asia, that he saw no chance of friendship. Whatever the case, this is not the behavior pattern of some madman itching for war. It looks to me like he has a strategy to give the US enough rope to hang itself. With each tug, the noose gets tighter.
And what about poor little Yemen.
I believe Iran has been supporting the Yemens.
If you are an American like I am, I would be more concerned about what Hillary will do when she is president.
Is he really that simple? After Iraq, Libya, Serbia and others. After NATO moving constantly towards Russia's borders.
Or does Putin cooperate with the NWO while pretending to be allies with other non NWO countries?
Iran does attempt to assist Yemen. Putin does not, Putin voted for the sanctions and naval blockade against them - why?
You live in cloud cuckoo land?
Moments after rescue Su-24 navigator, Russian Air Force and Syrian Arab Army poured punishment on terrorists area of parachute fall and rescue. All terrorists involved shooting unarmed Su-24 pilot on parachute descent are erased.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/24...
Before terrorists there multiplied by zero, were able to post message about attacked by "scary weapons".
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/syrian-military-take-revenge-on.html
Two days ago Russian Air Force destroyed convoy of Turkish trucks in Azaz city 5km from border. Erdogan response: silence.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/russia-destroys-turkish-truck-convo...
Video from Azaz in attack aftermath has charm. Azaz remote from Syrian Arab Army operations and attack never endured. Makes reaction of terrorists distinctly funny (from about 1:50).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA3baG0GRZM
The arms convoy was hit and probably most of it destroyed or damaged.
But otherwise, they dropped some more bombs in the countryside and some people were killed I am sure. But no way were all the fighters in the area killed. Not even close. While it is good PR for russia to claim they are that effective you just have to ask - if so easy then why was it so very difficult to accomplish before?
How many bullets, missiles or bombs have been directed by those responsible for the shooting down of the jet or the airliner? Not against the proxy but against the directors. None. Putin sought out France (NATO) to pledge he will coordinate with them further.
Trusting the French is a mistake. Actually after the Mistrel experience it is amazing that he would even talked to the little idiot socialist in charge of France.
No - and stop excluding the middle.
Your analysis smacks of trolling because you simply exclude any military or economic calculus.
syria has and has had the s300s now has the s400 and iran will get same.
Your rhetoric has it that Russia can and should try to take on the us/nato/europe/saudi arabia and/or Israel or some combination thereof even as ukraine's junta keeps attacking civilians and is likely to be escalated by the us.
You need to do some research on which sanctions you are talking about and when.
In short you are basically suggesting that at all times Russia did not supply or aid its allies which is false, you insist on repeating bad info re s300 delivery to syria, and act as if there were no ongoing political and diplomatic aspects to particular sales.
Russia can certainly bloody nato's nose but can not possibly fight a war far from its borders against the combined forces of nato and the tens of thousands of mercenary terrorists they have. To try to take the position that Russia 'abandons' its allies with no considerations as to the diplomatic and economic as well as military factors is lazy.
To not note that is US/NATO supporting the spread of chaos and intends to spread it to Russia means a sham, propagandistic analysis.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-ns...
Syria does not have the S300, this has been confirmed by Russia. Assad claimed he did but even his claim scared Putin and then Putin had a representative from his military confirm that the S300 had NOT been provided.
Russia did vote for or consent to the sanctions.
Including but not limited to Libya, Iraq, Syria and more recently Yemen. Really? Even Yemen? Because the Saudi's scare Putin.
Your job is to spin the facts so don't think what he will do or must do next.
Best hope all enemies come are stupid as you
Good luck on that.
Guy comes across as maidanjump ukropina. Stupider than that difficult to locate.
He painted ass yellow and blue and now experiences butthurt due to lack of emotional overreaction Russia.
I agree with you that the lack of action is surprising.
I am trying to imagine what the US would have done in Russia's place.
It is my opinion that if Turkey behaved the same way they would get some tomahawk missiles delivered to some of their military facilities. ... the hard way......but maybe not. Maybe the air force would put a bait out there and then smoke some turkeys as they go for it.
Turkey has suspended it's anti-ISIS air attacks in Syria. Most likely until Erdogan talks to Putin. But Putin isn't taking his calls.
Not taking somebody's calls isn't inaction. In this case it speaks louder than words.
True but his #2, Ivanov, most certainly was operations.
dopey
what are you babbling about? except for its nuclear weapons, Russia never claimed to be any thing like a match of the US/EU when the cold war ended in 1991.
The western MSM constantly reminded the world that Russia was small potatoes as the West debrided Kosovo from Serbia, hitlerized Iraq and Libya, bought its way into Georgia and Ukraine and in 2011 provoked a civil war in Syria.
But the cretins in Washington and Brussels, did not have the wherewithal to remove Assad from office.
If Assad, the last legally elected president of Syria, declares a No-Fly Zone over his country, will the US/NATO really to war to prove their right to overfly that Middle Eastern battleground?
No, Russia is not the equal of America, France and England. It never claimed to be.
But I have no doubt that Russia has the ability and the WILL to coordinate an attack with its nuclear torpedoes into New York Harbor, up the Chesapeake Bay, the Biscayne Bay, Galveston- Houston, the harbors of San Diego and Long Beach, under the Golden Gate and through the Puget Sound all within 5 minutes.
Putin can brush today's pieces off the chessboard and start a new game.
And get rid of selfish morons like you and the less than worthless fools advising the idiot Obama.
Fighter escort from now on.
It doesn't stop there. Russian forces in Syria have effectively extended their operations along the Turkey-Syria border with around-the-clock satellite monitoring of ground movement and subsequent obliteration of all unconfirmed caravans and vehicles heading in and out of Syria.
So much for Erdogan's support of his proxy puppies...
I never saw this coming. Oh, wait...
Thu, 11/05/2015 - 11:24 | 6753818 Kirk2NCC1701
This is WAY bigger than just the ISIS leaders in the ME. WW2 started for less.
The asymmetric response needs to be felt where it hurts: in the pocketbook. E.g., go to the Gold Standard, and force the Chinks to do the same, because as it is, they are playing footsie with all sides, while keeping their Thick Face and guarding their Black Heart.
Alternatively, and the more probable course of action, would be to impose a total No-Fly, No-Entry Zone over Syria to ALL foreign planes and vehicles, who do not have the permission of the Syrian government. Do this at the UN. Now! That way, when the DOD/CIA tries to resupply their Rebels, they too get shot out of the sky. What you gonna do then, bitch?
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Or in subsequent posts...
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/ Now where did I read "A prophet has no honor in his own village"? /s
I'm so angry with our military. How could they rely on agreements with that old backstabbers! At the beginning of the operation our SU-30 fighters carefully covered our bombers and all was OK. Turkish dogs were only yelping with their tails between their legs.
In fact, we told ourselves to murderers when and where we'll go and how they can murder us.
Plenty of blame to go around in this pig pen, playing with pigs your going to get dirty, and if you get hoggish you likely end up getting slaughtered.
I suggest to cut off the gas en bomb the Turkish goatfuckers!
Perhaps it might be time to go to brown alert?
I had that a couple hours ago.
Fuck them up Vlad...
Did Putin anticipate this mendacious act and "sacrifice" a jet to confirm he could not trust NATO?
At least he now knows he can never trust Obama or NATO.
Could be. The biggest geo strategic beneficiary of this incident has been russia. Now he has all the reasons he need to bring in more troops. ammo, air defence systems to shoot down other countries jets that could come between his mission. Also to go more deep into the mid-east.
Its hard to believe that putin did not anticipate that sharing info on his bombers could lead to somebody trying to attack those bombers.
The stage is set to escalate this with the next incident. Your move, Vlad.
At least there is absolutely no possibility whatsoever that somebody will use a nuke in the Mid East. /s.
Wonder if Cameron will soon learn he will need Assad's permission to bomb in Syria following the SU 24 takedown.
If Israel ever falls you can bet they will launch a few, if they can't have greater Israel then no one will.
"Wonder if Cameron will soon learn he will need Assad's permission to bomb in Syria"
He should ask permission but has made zero mention of doing that. I don't even think Hollande asked permission.
Hollande got permission from Putin to infringe on Syrian sovereignty, that' all he needed.
Putin has beed very measured during this whole shit show but I don't think it will last long, Putin was visibley pissed at yesterdays presser with the head Frog. Turkey will pay a heavy fine for their miscalculation and you can bet your ass the Russians are brewing a piping hot cup of corn hole for the Turks, one that will rock the coalition and kicks this bitch up a couple of notches.
Turkey is cursed with an even more stupid and corrupt leadership than the rest of us.
Until now, Turkey could play everybody off against everybody else, like a (cough) beauty queen with an army of suitors.
Well, by downing the Russian plane, she is now in a shotgun wedding with the US. Russia has lost interest, the US doesn't have to be Mr nice-guy anymore, and can bitch-slap Turkey around as suits. She is also for numerous reasons, despised by every single neighbour.
Turkey's momentous strategic blunder and own goal might take a while to sink in, but the consequences on the state and on ordinary folk there, are going to keep accumulating. This is even in the absence of any military consequences.
You can add Erdogan as an actor in the next release of The Expendables.
Erdo.. going.... going... gan!
Don't say anything Putin, just shoot at anything flying or driving into Syria.
Can't wait to see what happen the next time we sail by the Spratlys
I am confused as to why Russia is calling the US 'partners'????
Unless it's an antagonizing remark, poking fun at US lies about wanting to destroy ISIS. Then maybe the US does want to destroy ISIS, but not before Assad is killed. Who knows. Daily fkn soap opera.
Putin did share info with the US. He assumed they were partners in the effort against ISIS™