How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence

Tyler Durden's picture

Over the course of the last four or so weeks, the media has paid quite a bit of attention to Islamic State’s lucrative trade in “stolen” crude. 

On November 16, in a highly publicized effort, US warplanes destroyed 116 ISIS oil trucks in Syria. 45 minutes prior, leaflets were dropped advising drivers (who Washington is absolutely sure are not ISIS members themselves) to “get out of [their] trucks and run away.” 

The peculiar thing about the US strikes is that it took The Pentagon nearly 14 months to figure out that the most effective way to cripple Islamic State’s oil trade is to bomb... the oil.

Prior to November, the US “strategy” revolved around bombing the group’s oil infrastructure. As it turns out, that strategy was minimally effective at best and it’s not entirely clear that an effort was made to inform The White House, Congress, and/or the public about just how little damage the airstrikes were actually inflicting. There are two possible explanations as to why Centcom may have sought to make it sound as though the campaign was going better than it actually was, i) national intelligence director James Clapper pulled a Dick Cheney and pressured Maj. Gen. Steven Grove into delivering upbeat assessments, or ii) The Pentagon and the CIA were content with ineffectual bombing runs because intelligence officials were keen on keeping Islamic State’s oil revenue flowing so the group could continue to operate as a major destabilizing element vis-a-vis the Assad regime. 

Ultimately, Russia cried foul at the perceived ease with which ISIS transported its illegal oil and once it became clear that Moscow was set to hit the group’s oil convoys, the US was left with virtually no choice but to go along for the ride. Washington’s warplanes destroyed another 280 trucks earlier this week. Russia claims to have vaporized more than 1,000 transport vehicles in November. 

Of course the most intriguing questions when it comes to Islamic State’s $400 million+ per year oil business, are: where does this oil end up and who is facilitating delivery? In an effort to begin answering those questions we wrote: 

Turkey's role in facilitating the sale of Islamic State oil has been the subject of some debate for quite a while. From "NATO is harbouring the Islamic State: Why France’s brave new war on ISIS is a sick joke, and an insult to the victims of the Paris attacks", by Nafeez Ahmed:

"Turkey has played a key role in facilitating the life-blood of ISIS’ expansion: black market oil sales. Senior political and intelligence sources in Turkey and Iraq confirm that Turkish authorities have actively facilitated ISIS oil sales through the country. Last summer, Mehmet Ali Ediboglu, an MP from the main opposition, the Republican People’s Party, estimated the quantity of ISIS oil sales in Turkey at about $800 million—that was over a year ago. By now, this implies that Turkey has facilitated over $1 billion worth of black market ISIS oil sales to date."

Here's what former CHP lawmaker Ali Ediboglu said last year: 

“$800 million worth of oil that ISIS obtained from regions it occupied this year [the Rumeilan oil fields in northern Syria — and most recently Mosul] is being sold in Turkey. They have laid pipes from villages near the Turkish border at Hatay. Similar pipes exist also at [the Turkish border regions of] Kilis, Urfa and Gaziantep. They transfer the oil to Turkey and parlay it into cash. They take the oil from the refineries at zero cost. Using primitive means, they refine the oil in areas close to the Turkish border and then sell it via Turkey. This is worth $800 million.”

Earlier this month, Ediboglu told Russian media that "ISIL holds the key to these deposits and together with a certain group of persons, consisting of those close to Barzani and some Turkish businessmen, they are engaged in selling this oil" ("Barzani" is a reference to Masoud Barzani, President of the Iraqi Kurdistan Region). 

But even as Turkey's ties to the ISIS oil trade have been hiding in plain sight for the better part of two years, the Western media largely ignores the issue (or at least the scope of it and the possible complicity of the Erdogan government) because after all, Turkey is a NATO member. 

Unfortunately for Ankara, Erdogan's move to shoot down a Russian Su-24 near the Syrian border on Tuesday prompted an angry Vladimir Putin to throw Turkey under the ISIS oil bus for the entire world to see. Here's what Putin said yesterday after a meeting in Moscow with French President Francois Hollande: 

"Vehicles, carrying oil, lined up in a chain going beyond the horizon. The views resemble a living oil pipe stretched from ISIS and rebel controlled areas of Syria into Turkey. Day and night they are going to Turkey. Trucks always go there loaded, and back from there – empty. We are talking about a commercial-scale supply of oil from the occupied Syrian territories seized by terrorists. It is from these areas [that oil comes from], and not with any others. And we can see it from the air, where these vehicles are going."

“We assume that the top political leadership of Turkey might not know anything about this [illegal oil trade although that's] hard to believe," Putin continued, adding that “if the top political leadership doesn’t know anything about this, let them find out."

Obviously, Putin is being sarcastic. He very clearly believes that the Erdogan government is heavily involved in the transport and sale of ISIS crude. In the immediate aftermath of the Su-24 incident, Putin said the following about Ankara:


As part of our continuing effort to track and document the ISIS oil trade, we present the following excerpts from a study by George Kiourktsoglou, Visiting Lecturer, University of Greenwich, London and Dr Alec D Coutroubis, Principal Lecturer, University of Greenwich, London. The paper, entitled "ISIS Gateway To Global Crude Oil Markets," looks at tanker charter rates from the port of Ceyhan in an effort to determine if Islamic State crude is being shipped from Southeast Turkey. 

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From "ISIS Gateway To Global Crude Oil Markets"

The tradesmen/smugglers responsible for the transportation and sale of the black gold send convoys of up to thirty trucks to the extraction sites of the commodity. They settle their trades with ISIS on site, encouraged by customer friendly discounts and deferred payment schemes.  In this way, crude leaves Islamic State-run wells promptly and travels through insurgent-held parts of Syria, Iraq and Turkey. 

Since allied U.S. air-raids do not target the truck lorries out of fear of provoking a backlash from locals, the transport operations are being run efficiently, taking place most of times in broad daylight. Traders lured by high profits are active in Syria (even in government-held territories), Iraq and south-east Turkey.

The supply chain comprises the following localities: Sanliura, Urfa, Hakkari, Siirt, Batman, Osmaniya, Gaziantep, Sirnak, Adana, Kahramarmaras, Adiyaman and Mardin. The string of trading hubs ends up in Adana, home to the major tanker shipping port of Ceyhan. 

Ceyhan is a city in south-eastern Turkey, with a population of 110,000 inhabitants, of whom 105,000 live in the major metropolitan area. It is the second most developed and most populous city of Adana Province, after the capital Adana with a population of 1,700,000. It is situated on the Ceyhan River which runs through the city and it is located 43 km east of Adana. Ceyhan is the transportation hub for Middle Eastern, Central Asian and Russian oil and natural gas (Municipality of Ceyhan 2015).

The port of Ceyhan plays host to a marine oil terminal that is situated in the Turkish Mediterranean and has been operating since 2006. It receives hydrocarbons for further loading in tankers, which carry the commodity to world markets.

Additionally, the port features a cargo pier and an oil-terminal, both of 23.2m depth that can load tankers of more than 500 feet in length ( 2015). The annual export capacity of the terminal runs as high as 50 million tonnes of oil. The terminal is operated by Botas International Limited (BIL), a Turkish state company that also operates the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline on the territory of Turkey. 

The quantities of crude oil that are being exported to the terminal in Ceyhan, exceed the mark of one million barrels per day. Putting this number into context and given that ISIS has never been able to trade daily more than 45,000 barrels of oil (see Section 2, ‘The Upstream Oil Business of ISIS’, page 2), it becomes evident that the detection of similar quantities of smuggled crude cannot take place through stock-accounting methods. However, the authors of the present paper believe that there is another proxy-indicator, far more sensitive to quantities of ultracheap smuggled crude. This is the charter rates for tankers loading at Ceyhan.

The Baltic Exchange (2015 a) tracks the charter rates on major seaborne trading routes of crude oil. To render its service more efficient and easily understood, it uses the system of Baltic Dirty Tanker Indices (Baltic Exchange 2015 b). One of these indices used to be the BDTI TD 11, 80,000 Cross Mediterranean from Baniyas, Syria to Laveras, France (see Map VI). Route 11 was discontinued in September 2011, due to Syria’s civil war and soon thereafter, it was replaced by BDTI TD 19 (TD19-TCE_Calculation 2015), of exactly the same technical specifications as BDTI TD 11, with the exception of the loading port of Ceyhan instead of Baniyas.

From July 2014 until February 2015, the curve of TD 19 features three unusual spikes that do not match the trends featured by the rest of the Middle East trade-routes (see Graph IV): 

  1. The first spike develops from the 10th of July 2014 until the 21st, lasting approximately ten days. It coincides with the fall of Syria’s largest oil field, the AlOmar, in the hands of ISIS (Reuters 2014); 
  2. The second spike takes place from the end of October until the end of November 2014, lasting one month. It happens at the same time with fierce fighting between fundamentalists and the Syrian army over the control of the Jhar and Mahr gas fields, as well as the Hayyan gas company in the east of Homs province (International Business Times 2014; Albawada News 214); 
  3. The third spike lasts from the end of January 2015 until the 10th of February, stretching roughly ten days. It happens simultaneously with a sustained US-led campaign of airstrikes pounding ISIS strongholds in and around the town of Hawija east of the oil-rich Kirkuk (Rudaw 2015);


The authors of this paper would like to make it clear from the very beginning that this has not been the case of a ‘smoking gun’. The evidence has been inconclusive. But even if volumes of ISIS crude found their way, beyond any reasonable doubt, to the international crude oil markets via the Ceyhan terminal, this fact would not conclusively point to collusion between the Turkish authorities and the shadow network of smugglers, let alone ISIS operatives.

However, having clarified such a politically sensitive issue, the authors believe that there are strong hints to an illicit supply chain that ships ISIS crude from Ceyhan. Primary research points to a considerably active shadow network of crude oil smugglers and traders (see section 2.1, page 3), who channel ISIS crude to southeast Turkey from northeast Syria and northwest Iraq. Given the existence of Route E 90, the corresponding transportation of oil poses no unsurmountable geographic and topological challenges.

An additional manifestation of the invisible nexus between Ceyhan and ISIS became evident through the concurrent study of the tanker charter rates from the port and the timeline of the terrorists’ military engagements (see section 3.4 on this page). It seems that whenever the Islamic State is fighting in the vicinity of an area hosting oil assets, the 13 exports from Ceyhan promptly spike. This may be attributed to an extra boost given to crude oil smuggling with the aim of immediately generating additional funds, badly needed for the supply of ammunition and military equipment. Unfortunately, in this case too, the authors cannot be categorical.

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No, it can't be categorical and frankly, if the authors claimed to have discovered indisputable proof, we would be immediately skeptical. What they have done however, is identify a statistical anomaly and develop a plausible theory to explain it.

The key thing to note, is that this is a state-run terminal and it certainly seems as though charter rates spike around significant oil-related events involving Islamic State. Indeed, the fact that the authors mention collusion between Turkish authorities and ISIS operatives (even if they do so on the way to hedging their conclusions) indicates that the researchers think such a partnership is possible. 

Finally, note that Ceyhan is less than two hours by car from Incirlik air base from which the US is flying anti-ISIS sorties. In other words, ISIS oil is being shipped to the world right down the road from Washington's preferred Mid-East forward operating base.

Now that we can add what looks like quantitative evidence that ISIS oil is shipped from Turkey to the voluminous qualitative evidence supplied by ex-Turkish lawmakers, investigative reporters, and the Russian government (to name just a few sources), we can now proceed to consider one final question: where does the crude that helps to fund Bakr al-Baghdadi's caliphate ultimately end up? More on that over the weekend.

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BuddyEffed's picture

To me, something that would seem to make sense and that could de-escalate the tension over Syria would be for Russia to offer to France, and England, Turkey, and the United States and anyone else of importance to do their bombing for them within 5 minutes on any target.  


Having military planes of various  national flavors in the air over Syria seems dangerous as hell and fraught with the potential of escalation and direct conflict between these military powers.  


Russia could place several of their bombers on patrol in the area where they wait for coordinates to be given to them of any place that needs to be bombed within 5 minutes.  The country requesting a bombing mission could be kept aware of the current location of Russian bombers, and their intended tracks for the next hour so that when coordinates are relayed by radio then bombs could be released within a few minutes because the planes would be approaching the targets.  The allies against ISIS could even suggest routes for the Russian bombers to fly ahead of time, but not provide details on what leg of a mission or which exact coordinates that bombs would be released.  Any country that desires a strike mission would have to file a top secret request and their reasons for any bombing mission within 1 day that could be reviewed by France,  England, Russia, and the USA with strict confidentially agreed to and no media leaks.  The top secret requests would be at a general level and not contain any information that would give away any countries spying technology, or their human sources of recon.   Each bombing run should have a very specific reason, shouldn’t it with some kind of evidence or data?  The bombers could keep a list of excluded locations that could not be bombed just to make sure innocents are not harmed.  And very importantly, the accuracy and timing of the bombing missions could be easily determined by satellite or other reconnaissance. 


The above would seem reasonable in ways and France and the USA and anyone else could have any target taken out within five minutes time.



My skin in the game is that I have 2 children and I would not like to see the fight against ISIS escalate into war between countries.  War between countries with todays advanced BNC technology could end very badly for many with much collateral damage of innocents.  And the downstream detrimental effects to many countries economies might worsen the plight of many industries that rely on unfettered global trade.

knukles's picture

So the jets are just down the road at incirlik from the port Ceyhan, to bomb this back into the squeezing blood from the stone age.
Then we'll really have no idea of who's fighting whom.  Of course, the NSA and WHiteHouse have no fucking clue (Take that either way you'd like .... fucking Progressives... and they thought Bush and do think Trump is out of control.)

DutchR's picture

Mafia poker playing with the world at stake......

So, tomatos inside or outside?

The rest is out of my hands

macholatte's picture

There has to be a huge spread between what Turkey pays ISIS and the market value.   my guess is that the Soros-Clinton-Obama Machine is getting a piece.   Nice work for a charity.

nope-1004's picture

Just as we hear that gold is a barbaric relic not used in financial transactions, then get news that Venezuela or others are "selling their gold", my question is the same about oil as it is with gold:  Who's the idiot that didn't get the memo and is BUYING it?

In golds' case, it's always a CB or Goldman.  In the oil 'black market', it's likely Turkey.  Public is fed propaganda while insiders hoard.

Would hate to be in the turkish military about now.


Occident Mortal's picture

If you read the London Stock Exchange Regulatory News Service for the various oil companies that are operating in Kurdistan (Genel, Gulf Keystone, DNO) you will see that it was the Kurdistan Regional Government who initially established the oil smuggling infrastructure across the Turkish border in response to the Iraqi Central Government refusing to share oil revenues with them.

If you pour through all the RNS's you will even find the price paid for a smuggled barrel of oil.

You will find that crude oil sells domestically inside Kurdistan / Western Iraq / Northern Turkey for around 50-60% discount to Brent.

BaBaBouy's picture

""Russia claims to have vaporized more than 1,000 transport vehicles in November.

Of course the most intriguing questions when it comes to Islamic State’s $400 million+ per year oil business, are: where does this oil end up and who is facilitating delivery?""

The Feckers Can Now Carry The OIL Barrels On Camels... WELCOME  Back To The Izlamic DARK Ages...

-.-'s picture

1. Within the above cited paper (page 8) there are two critical pieces of information: two shipping routes correlate with three 2014 ISIS attacks on oil/gas targets in Syria; the authors mention the statistically strongest example, BDTD 19, but there was another route, BDTD 8, that I noticed also correlated with the specific dates.


2. BDTD 19, also referred to as TD 19, is a registerd AFRAMAX class ship whose route description is from port in Ceyhan, Syria across the Mediterranean to port in Lavera, France.


3. BDTD 8, also referred to as TD 8, is a registered AFRAMAX class ship whose route description is from port in Mena al Ahmadi, Kuwait across the Indian Ocean to port in Singapore. I cannot definitively state that I located the exact port, but based on the top three refineries in Singapore, I'd have to guess that it would be one of those ports. Pulau Bukom islandseems plausible in the heart of the Port of Singapore. It is good to note that I understand that this particular port is in Kuwait, south of Iraq, and perhaps too farfetched a location for ISIS oil to reach. 


4. AFRAMAX as a prefered category:

"Due to their favorable size, Aframax tankers can serve most ports in the world. These vessels serve regions that do not have very large ports or offshore oil terminals to accommodate very large crude carriers and ultra-large crude carriers. Aframax tankers are optimal for short- to medium-haul crude oil transportation. Aframax class tankers are largely used in the basins of the Black Sea, the North Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the South and East China Seas, and the Mediterranean. Non–OPEC exporting countries may require the use of tankers because the harbors and canals through which these countries export their oil are too small to accommodate the larger Suezmax or the larger still very large crude carriers and ultra-large crude carriers."


5. Baltic Shipping Route TC 1 (AFRAMAX class as well) which ships from Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia to Yokohama, Japan

turtle's picture

When they start bombing this line of trucks the shit will really hit the fan...


RonArgent's picture


Bush   Obama must be a (Kenyan) Oil man, er natural gas man.


Manthong's picture

In case nobody out there is paying attention..

Shooter in Colorado (again)..  with an AK….

How convenient…

2nd amendment.. 2nd  amendment… we don’t need no stinking 2nd amendment.

Look for OB-1 Kenyaobe to come out with as major gun control message next week.



RonArgent's picture

I was thinking Hunter Biden would be involved somehow.

Crash Overide's picture

Just where does Turkey get off acting this way around Thanksgiving?

How can NATO not kick them out after this?

Wait... do you think NATO knew Turkey was buying CIA terrorist oil all along?

Manthong's picture

A bit OT but……….

OK.. listening to broadcast  radio..

Now.. three words were said about the newest shooting in Cannabis Colorado…

“Pro Life Shooter”

WTF is wrong with this .gov statement   ?????????


palmereldritch's picture

Even MORE OT lol

Check out this article and remember to CTRL F 'ISIS'

And you thought the Matrix started with those movies...

And Paris was something else

Anonymous User's picture
Anonymous User (not verified) palmereldritch Nov 28, 2015 2:18 AM

By the look of it, Erdogan has his place assured in the grand finale of Dancing with the Russians.

As a belly dancer.

-.-'s picture

..."Charterers confirmed to Platts that they received the SOMO notice instructing them not to use these ships for loading Iraqi oil.

Iraq is one of the world's largest exporters of crude and is currently locked in a dispute with the KRG about the sale of oil produced in the region.

"Ships that loaded Kurdish crude have been blacklisted by Iraq," said a chartering source whose company regularly lifts crude from Basrah.

"Maybe [maybe?] they [shipping companies] are getting a high premium [for loading Kurdish] crude and their activity is not reported," the source said.

The two oil-loading terminals at the port, Basrah Oil Terminal and Khor Al Amaya Oil Terminal, each export more than 70 million barrels/month of oil, which amounts to more than 70 Suezmax cargoes.

Suezmax vessels typically hold 1 million barrels of crude or fuel oil, and Panamax tankers can load up to 400,000 barrels of dirty petroleum products.

The United Dynamic and the United Carrier are managed by Greece-based Marine Management Services. MMS did not immediately response to phone calls and emails to its Greece office.

The Nautilus' owners could not be reached for comment.

The KRG has been exporting oil from the region under its control via pipeline to the Turkish port of Ceyhan and then loading it onto ships. So far at least 15 ships have been loaded with Kurdish crude in Ceyhan, according to industry estimates.


Over the last couple of weeks [early Nov.], United Dynamic and another Suezmax managed by MMS, United Emblem, have apparently discharged two more cargoes of Kurdish crude around Southeast and North Asia [Singapore & Japan], according to market sources familiar with the developments.

United Emblem did a ship-to-ship transfer in the South China Sea, a Singapore-based shipping agent said. "Very few [people] want to talk about it," the agent said with reference to the secrecy involved and sensitivity of the matter. Names of receivers of the cargoes were not immediately available.

"All this is being done under the radar for obvious reasons," said a VLCC broker in Singapore. The crude from Kurdistan is available at a heavy discount while shipowners charge higher freight for moving the cargoes, he said.

Unlike Iranian crude, shipping of which has been severely restricted by Western sanctions preventing ships getting insurance, KRG faces no such restrictions and Protection and Indemnity (P&I) clubs do provide cover for ships moving Kurdish crude, the broker said.

After ship-to-ship transfer, the crude gets blended with other grades so the origin cannot be traced and it is sold in smaller parcels to buyers in China and countries in Southeast Asia, market watchers said. [Singapore, Japan, and China [Spratly Islands for off shore refining and distribution to Asia, thanks Xi]]

There are at least a dozen VLCCs functioning as floating storage units within and outside Malaysia's Tanjung Pelepas port alone for blending and storage of crude and fuel oil, an official of a global port storage logistics company said.

But many in the tanker market are reluctant to load Kurdish crude when it can lead to being deprived of the lucrative business of Basrah loadings [ostensible, P.C. defense].

"The risk [part of this risk is the opportunity cost to not sale KRG crude at illegally discounted prices in order to increase overall margins] in carrying out such trades remains. Iraq's government can appoint lawyers and send sea marshalls to get the ship arrested on the grounds that the cargo belongs to them and was sold illegally," one of the shipping brokers said...."


Contact these guys for interesting historical details into the current landscape for illegal KRG crude sales...


--Sameer C. Mohindru;
--Edited by Alisdair Bowles,


The Article: (OCTOBER! 2014)

mvsjcl's picture

"Using primitive means, they refine the oil..."


What? They boil the stuff in open vats over campfires or something? I could have swore it required something more, ummm, scientific than that.

WOAR's picture

Nope. Watch "The Land that Time Forgot." They refine their own oil in that movie.

It's not rocket science.

GhostOfDiogenes's picture
GhostOfDiogenes (not verified) turtle Nov 29, 2015 12:52 PM

The Middle East doesn't just have one magical kingdom (house of saud).
It has several magical kingdoms.

Where the freaks come out at night.

-.-'s picture

...consider one final question: where does the crude that helps to fund Bakr al-Baghdadi's caliphate ultimately end up?


Gentlemen, place your bets. 

xavi1951's picture

The LAST thing you would want to do is tell anyone in Turkey what your plans/targets are.  They will advise ISIS of pending operations.

Stuck on Zero's picture

Something doesn't make sense.  It would only take fifteen minutes to scatter those trucks all over the area. What's all the bullshit about 'run away from your trucks?'  There's a lot of BS going around.

BuddyEffed's picture

Trucks attempting to leave the convoy could be targeted first and on a moments notice. Synth app radar paints a very accurate picture from many tens of miles away.

No.Fifth.Turning's picture

I'm confused--per Obama, buring oil (and trucks!) contributes to global warming.  Where's the outrage? But I guess it's OK when it's at the elite level.  

dogismycopilot's picture

you have never been to the desert then. Depending on the terrain (sand) you get stuck. really stuck. If it is rock you get flats and broken axles. 

Roads are the only way a tanker truck is going anywhere.

-.-'s picture

Dear Mr. Putin,

I am still waiting for the winner of season one of Who Want's to Be a 50xMillionaire?






-.-'s picture


Here is a story straight from Bilal Erdogan's company page; it was dated for the twenty-seventh (today) so I am curious as to how to best filter this already lost in translation news from a dubious source to say the least. 


stay on target's picture

Am I only one who noticed that both authors of the study (George Kiourktsoglou, Alec Coutroubis) are GREEK?

You can always depend on the Greeks to dig up dirt about the Turks lol

Want to emphasize I still believe their findings to be true, just sayin'....

The Duke of New York A No.1's picture

There would be all sorts of palms being greased in order for the US Military not to attack the ISIS oil infrastructure ... the Turks pay the kickbacks - the US lets them play.

TruthHunter's picture

Can we impeach this child?(as Putin called him)  I believe we have passed

the point where shear incompetance becomes "high crimes".

We may have to recall some congressman who are slow to get it.

Flagit's picture


The above would seem reasonable in ways and France and the USA and anyone else could have any target taken out within five minutes time.

I think you answered your own question.

The goal was never to fight them, only facilitate them and topple Assad/create chaos.

If you were an employer and had hired the US military to do this job, they would have been FIRED, on the spot, over a year ago. Granted, I'm not sure what douche would have hired them with the resume they currently have, references ect.

Uchtdorf's picture

"The goal was never to fight them, only facilitate them and topple Assad/create chaos."


The US couldn't even defeat North Korea in 1953.

The US couldn't even defeat Cuba in 1962.

The US couldn't even defeat North Vietnam in 1975.

The US couldn't even defeat the Taliban after many years in Afghanistan.

Couldn't, or wouldn't?

Main_Sequence's picture
Main_Sequence (not verified) Uchtdorf Nov 27, 2015 4:33 PM

From the perspective of international bankers and the MIC, sustained wars are much more profitable.

HungryPorkChop's picture

Maybe the goal of war is more like a govt contract that runs on forever.  Why finish a large contract in 6 months when you can stretch it out for 10 years and get rich in the process?   

eforce's picture

Well they could defeat them from a technical perspective but then...  "The goal was never to fight them, only facilitate them and topple Assad/create chaos."

dogismycopilot's picture

What did Obama say, "ISIS is CONTAINED". Look at that word he used - "contained"  or what about "degraded"

Mutherfucking Nigger Obama has no intention of destroying ISIS. 


BarkingCat's picture

I have a better idea.
No one violates Syria's borders unless
authorized by Syrian government.

If France wants to bomb the nation responsible for the Paris attacks they can start with bombing themselves and then proceed to Belgium.
Alternatively or maybe additionally they could also bomb Turkey.

Let's not forget George Soros. Someone needs to shove one hand grenade into his mouth and one up is ass and
pull the pins. Use smoke granades so that he
does not go out too quickly. Let him feel the heat and smell some sulfer.

Flagit's picture

I think you are dangerously near the new flash-point.

Russia has a UN Security Resolution. That is like the Sheriff pinning a Deputy badge on your chest, pointing to the mountains and saying "go get em'".

The What If's just went parabolic.

The last thing Russia will do is go On Tilt.

A chess program will analyze ALL potential moves up to 3-x moves in advance to consistently determine the best way to achieve your goal.

Rumor has it that the Russians have a certain affinity for the game, and I am fairly sure a similar regiment has been implemented into their tactical planning.

As much as I would like to see them lob a cruise missile into Turkeys capital as a message to STFU, it is the least likely thing to happen. The focus is Syria, then Iraq. I think aggression toward Turkey will be confined to factual press releases, and radar locks.

DukeMakewater's picture

You may be f*ched up, as well.  

DukeMakewater's picture

You may be f*ched up, as well.  

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

BarkingCat: "I have a better idea. No one violates Syria's borders unless authorized by Syrian government."

Vote up!        44         Vote down!    0

Fuck me, I wish had that original idea!  Oh, wait...

Fri, 11/27/2015 - 16:27 | 6847315  Kirk2NCC1701

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I never saw this coming.  Oh, wait...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 11:24 | 6753818  Kirk2NCC1701 

...Alternatively, and the more probable course of action, would be to impose a total No-Fly, No-Entry Zone over Syria to ALL foreign planes and vehicles, who do not have the permission of the Syrian government.  Do this at the UN.  Now!  That way, when the DOD/CIA tries to resupply their Rebels, they too get shot out of the sky.  What you gonna do then, bitch?


Or in subsequent posts...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 12:04 | 6753932

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 18:06 | 6835078

/ Now where did I read "A prophet has no honor in his own village"? /s