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Taxation As A Severe Insult
Submitted by Tibor Machan via Acting-Man.com,
Who is Best Qualified to Decide how How Your Wealth Should be Used?
I have noted before that my fellow citizens and I are the best wealth redistributors one can find. We know quite well, with only rare exceptions, where the wealth we obtained should go – how we should spend or invest or save our earnings, etc.
But vast numbers of political thinkers and players disagree. They hold that our resources must be taken from us and they, not we, should be the ones who decide what to do with them. Why? Who are these folks to butt in and remove us from the driver’s seat and place themselves and their chosen few in there instead?

Spooner had the right idea. As Joseph Schumpeter remarks in Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy: “… the state has been living on a revenue which was being produced in the private sphere for private purposes and had to be deflected from these purposes by political force. The theory which construes taxes on the analogy of club dues or of the purchase of the services of, say, a doctor only proves how far removed this part of the social sciences is from scientific habits of mind.”
Consider how insulting it is! Why is the president of the country better qualified than we are to determine where our resources will do the most good? Why are members of Congress or local politicians? Who on earth do these folks think they are?
In the past it used to be thought that certain folks in society had special qualifications to allocate the wealth that has been produced as well as to make most of the important decisions in need of being made. Kings, lords, barons, and such knew better than the paeans – you and I – as to what our labors ought to fund. Ergo, taxation and other takings!

Government – enforced compassion
Don’t you see how nasty this is, how it impugns our capabilities to be prudent, careful, sensible, wise and so forth?
Advocates of government wealth redistribution blatantly insult the rest of us by denying us the good sense it takes to spend our wealth. Wealth redistribution means exactly that. Somehow we need to be coerced – or nudged or intimidated – into doing what these bullies have decided needs to be supported with our wealth.
Why? Who are these people?
In the past there was an excuse – by sheer birth certain folks, coming from certain families or classes or whatever – had the qualification to manage our wealth and indeed us as well.

That has certainly happened – from the moment the State has come into being (i.e., shortly after the violent conquest phase).
But that is sheer prejudice! They really have no more clue than you or I about where to spend the funds we have come by! Indeed, as the tragedy of the commons demonstrates, the more folks are involved in spreading the wealth, the less well the wealth is likely to be spent. Most will be wasted instead of well spent, even when the intention is to do the right thing with it.
We ought to regard wealth redistribution and it’s source, taxation, not only forced taking but a serious insult toward the citizenry and reject it wherever possible.

A well-worn ritual…
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Addendum: Bernie Sanders Has Already Won
Senator Bernie Sanders is aiming to become the democratic party’s nominee for the presidency of the United States of America. He considers himself a democratic socialist. But his mission is actually superfluous.
In fact, Senator Sanders has already succeeded. America has for a long time been governed according to the principles of democratic socialism, as have many other Western countries.
This became clear to me as I was attempting to “go solar”. In order to install solar power at my home in Silverado, CA, I needed to submit the plan to the county planning commission. Their approval was necessary to go forward with the plan.
Solar permit application process for businesses – click to enlarge.
Any other substantial alteration of one’s property — the addition of a garage or new section — must be approved by such commissions. Indeed, throughout the country to undertake an installation such as I was contemplating, proprietors must obtain permission from various commissions, all of which are supposed to have been established by democratic means!
As I see it, this means that the country is being governed by the principles of democratic socialism.

There are now even “studies on the solar permitting process”, as absurd as this seems.
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Spend our wealth? You mean waste our wealth.
Spend our wealth? You mean waste our wealth.
Not. You mean embezzle our wealth.
Your wealth? Why without the state you wouldn't have anything. Obama told me so.
Just print money (out of thin air) to fund the government.
There is no need for tax nor debt.
If taxes are a dealbreaker, leave. No one is forcing you to stay.
Really James? That is your answer? If I don't approve of the local mafiosi extorting wealth from me in order to fund their war on humanity, their psycopathic need for control and power and their kidnapping, maiming and killing my fellow humans I should just leave? So, I am the one who is wrong here and I should leave. Extortion, violence and kidnapping are perfectly moral activities if you wear a state costume and carry a piece of paper signed by the state? James, are you a psycopath? Please be honest.
I think Anarchists that benefit from the principle protection given by the same government they use to speak openly against should be very weary about what exactly it is that they are protesting.
In this instance, the taxation thing is spot on.
Yes, you are the one who is wrong and should leave.
Skipping your strawman, the above argument is not on appropriate taxation, it is on the concept of taxation itself being theft.
Taxation is integral to the US economy and social system, and has been so long as anyone on zh has existed. In other words, the country y'all lived in your whole lives is a country with a fundamental system of taxation, they can not be separated from each other.
If you believe a tax system is at its core 'theft' you are at basic odds with the entire country and the most logical response is to leave for greener pastures where taxation is not fundamental to the economy (Somalia is my recommend).
Take some of those annoying yale students with you. You can whine about taxes, they'll whine about safe spaces. I imagine great dinner parties.
And lest you shed a tear - lots of people happy to replace you, so don't worry - US will be fine.
"If you believe a tax system is at its core 'theft' you are at basic odds with the entire country..."
Oh really? So the entire country happily and volountarily pays their taxes? If that were the case, then why does absolutely NO ONE (Read: Not one single soul in a country of 300 million plus) contribute more than the bare minimum they believe they are required to?
If people were enthusiastically embracing their own rapes, would not one person at least donate extra to the cause?(AKA the General Fund)
NO ONE (Read: Not one single soul in a country of 300 million plus) contribute more than the bare minimum they believe they are required to?
When you fly do you pay more than the required fare? When you buy a car do you pay extra, just cause'?
Taxes are the price of being in the country.
Yes, not exactly a newsflash that no one likes paying taxes but people above the mental age of a toddler understand they are a necessary evil in contemporary life.
Psychology. Confidence in the whole scheme must be maintained. Printing only with no taxes or debt would be frightening and bewildering to the economically illiterate masses and ominous to the rest. The printing press would get the spotlight. That cat would be flushed out of the bag.
People would freak realizing they actually were not aware of how much of their wealth was being siphoned off via dollar devaluation but realizing it must be a lot. To reduce exposure, people would flee from cash, selling the dollar, buying gold and other assets. This would prompt escalating amounts of printing to try to extract the same amount of wealth from fewer and fewer remaining dollar holders. Money supply inflation would skyrocket.
Plus such a shift of the basis of taxation from reportable income to holding cash would break centuries of PTB exceptions written into the tax code. Massive financial market capital shifts and changes in corporate financial behavior would ensue.
Currently, squabbling over tax rates and debt levels helps conceal how much wealth is already silently being extracted via money printing. Misdirection is vital for every con scheme. All the parts work together.
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Your wealth?
Exactly. The left routinely defines a tax cut as a cost. Thru either sheer idiocy or because they think it's theirs. Given that they game players of the left routinely out-maneuver those with allegiance to the US Constitution, I don't think it's sheer idiocy.
I assure you, it is idiocy. They are just too damn stupid to understand it fully.
Adam Smith said it best:
It is the highest impertinence for the government to regulate the peoples' spending. For if the extravagance and bad management of the government do not ruin the country, that of the people never will.
Embezzle ? Thats accrurate too. Whats ridiculousness is how the claim we are represented. (No taxation with out representation). In my state they just give us a choice. You can get taxed this way...or that way...and you get to decide and vote on it.
Some how the country's fathers knew well of the ten commandments and tryed to keep this from happening.
You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
— Exodus 20:17Yeah, sure, as if scripture matters to psychopaths with unbridled greed.
It depends on how badly you want that donkey.
Hey it's even better here in the People Repubilk of New Jersey.
Every year we have a referendum on whether or not we want to have a tax hike for the schools. Every year we vote it down. Every year they give a big "fuck you" and do it anyway.
The blunt fact is the rich give very little voluntarily.. The poor give a higher percentage.
There would be no communism without overreaching capitalism.
When it comes to theft, the rich don't like competition from government.
The article starts by fueling the biggest confusion in all type of debates by confounding wealth (property) and income, two very different things. The main goal of wealth (what makes it an asset) is to generate an income not from present employment (that is, without work).
Societies are a lot more complicated than articles like this let on, because throughout the ages property has (absent war and revolution) tended to become increasingly concentrated. The limit of this concentration is the political means to enforce property claims. When something becomes a historical site, the political system is telling you that even though you are the (temporary) owner, the site is also a heritage of the larger community. When water runs through your land, this doesn't mean it is exclusively yours.
Even though people like to present ownership as a simple thing, property rights are among the most complicated, varied, and differentiated relationships in human history. If we take the simple approach, everything belongs to the Indians, but was wrested from them by force.
There is a lot that can be said about over-taxation, spending, debt formation etc., but it is not helpful to equate all taxation to robbery and to pretend that collective investment (like infrastructure, what makes wealthy countries different that poor countries) never yields profit.
Even though people like to present ownership as a simple thing, property rights are among the most complicated, varied, and differentiated relationships in human history.
I know what I own and my neighbor knows what he owns. Only someone who wants to confuse the situation in order to take advantage would claim that we don't know what belongs to us.
If we take the simple approach, everything belongs to the Indians, but was wrested from them by force.
No wonder you think things are unduly complicated. You apparently believe that China, Antarctica and the planet Mars all belongs to Native Americans.
But putting aside the strange example you provided note that you yourself have indicated that one can own something and that involuntary taking is a criminal act. Now, it's a damned shame what happened to the Indians and the Irish and the Armenians and lots of other folks but if you can agree that individuals possess the exclusive right to dispose of their property as they see fit and we move forward from this point with that principle in mind then there shouldn't be any problem. Crimes and errors from the past have no bearing on the ability of the current population to recognize and protect individual rights including property rights.
No, it is not complicated. I own my self therefore I own the consequences of my actions. My production is a consequence of my actions and I am free to use, share or exchange my production for the production of others. The result of those exchanges are just as mine as my initial production since they stem from the voluntary exchange of production. The forceful taking of my production (taxation) regardless of the purpose or ultimate use, rejects, in principle, my self ownership and therefore destroys my humanity. If you have a right to take my production then I no longer own myself but am your property (slave). A slave has no human rights therefore is not human. Mind you, slavery is the destruction of humanity, more so than murder. If you murder a fellow human you are taking his life once, if you enslave him, you are murdering him over and over.
The Federal Reserve Act....Article 1, Section 8....the 16th Amendment. This is the holy trinity of tyranny in the US.
There is nothing more insatiable than governments appetite for our hard earned money! They are nothing more than thieves. Fucking thieves!
and their favorite mantra is, "its for the children". i have owned a large home in a small town in south carolina for 10 years. i do not live there and my city and county taxes are 3600 a year. that is 36,000. this town is a joke they don't even have curbs on the streets except in the town portion. half of these taxes go for "education" but the public schools are and have been a generational joke, although a retired teacher told me that the principle of the school made 180k a year.
i will clean the antiques out, sell them at auction in new york and sell the property. they can stew in their own ignorance. it seems every time i go down there to check on the property the town is a little poorer, a little shabbier, except for the government buildings they are all new, and the police have all new vehicles, and the county workers all have suburbans with custom wheels, etc. etc. that place is governed and i hope it crashes into the sandhills it resides in.
The property tax. The most regressive tax in the world. It's literally killing people here in NJ.
Oregon too, but one that gets me is the taxing of our cars. Buy the car new, pay taxes on the price. Sell it to mr x and he pays taxes again on the selling price. He sells it to mrs Y and she pays taxes on the price .. HOW MANY TIMES DO THESE FVKERS GET TO TAX A FVKING CAR? F V K !!!
We are taxed on our economic activist, not our actual labors. The answer is, as it always has been, to be self sufficient and not to rely on THEIR economic system anymore than we must. They don't make it easy.
exactly...........end the jewsury and this all goes away.........I cant think of any reason to attach usury to a currency created ex nihilo.........
can u?
.I cant think of any reason to attach usury to a currency created ex nihilo.........
can u?
Oh gee..lessee.. emm maybe to enslave the whole fvking world and steal natural resources with fake digits created out of the ether?
Naw that couldn't be it.. how about..err lessee..control all the food and water on the planet with fake created fiat so as to cut the population down to the coveted 500 million they want left on the planet to serve those that issue said currency while they live on a pristine planet?.. emm how bout..lessee..
create endless wars to destroy those that the printers see as less then animals because they are total fvking psychopaths? hmm no? err..
Gee I don't know lessee...
There was a time when only the mafia charged greater than 18%
ZIRP for the rich/government, 25% for the poor.
Too late ... the implementation of the bail ins and NIRP deals with that. It is their next logical step as more and more with less then start to hide more and more. Even the little child with sweets will start to hid their candy soon so it does not get stolen.
PS:- That last point was a reality in the UK for children when we joined the common market because I had to calculate the fucking taxes on my sweets so it was being stolen by the UK government was it not. Overnight too and we did not get extra pocket money to deal with this.
<I> HOW MANY TIMES DO THESE FVKERS GET TO TAX A FVKING CAR?</I.
Just to make your head burst, every last part used to assemble that car has already been taxed 16 ways till Sunday also.
If instead everytime you went back to that town it was a little nicer with the tax money being spent to improve the community, would you then be happy to pay the tax? I've always thought the debate misses the point. The tax is not the problem. It's the way the money's being spent.
On a moral, ethical & logical level, income taxation is exactly the problem as currently constituted as it's wholly involuntary and economically counterproductive.
The way it is set up now is simply this, a tax is the penalty you pay for doing good. A penalty is a tax you pay for doing bad ;-)
I've always thought the debate misses the point. The tax is not the problem. It's the way the money's being spent.
Let's try an experiment.
You keep handing out your money to strangers and wait for the day that one of them spends that money on something you want rather than something they want.
I'll spend my money on what I want and see if the money is spent on something I want.
Then we'll compare notes about who got what they wanted.
Since you feel that way, I will be your government. I will take 50% of your money from you and your neighbors and give you a little bit back to improve the community.
You can praise me for this. You can cheer me on as your leader who removes your freedoms and makes your decisions for you. You can submit to my authority enforced by violence paid for by you.
Don't worry, I'll only imprison you for things that I let you know are wrong. Like not paying me for treating you this way. Or smoking a plant. Or not complying with any of my 100,000 pages of rules of how to live your life and run your business.
So yeah, I'm happy to use a bit of your funds to pay for a little something someone in your community likes. In fact, I'll let you all bid to obtain that privilege from me using your votes and campaign contributions. Democracy is great that way. After all, the tax is not the problem. It's the way the money's being spent.
You forgot to mention the fat pensions those gov't workers are getting at your expense. The brand new police vehicles you can see, but the six-figure-per-year pensions are hidden away in some spreadsheets as far from the public eye as they can manage.
Those MRAPS don't come cheap.
For the children.
A little Googling will point you towards databases of gov't workers' compensation. Here's one for the SF Bay Area: http://www.mercurynews.com/salaries/bay-area
It's shocking to see the numbers for salary & benefits for local bureaucrats---building departments, planning commissions, city administrators, even maintenance workers and firemen. Hundreds of thousands of dollars poured into health, vacation, and retirement bennies that productive workers in the private sector can only dream of. And remember, every nickel of that money was taken away from the people who actually earned it.
This perfectly legal scam has been going on for so long that these pigs feel entitled to their place at the public trough. Good luck getting them to accept any changes whatsoever.
For fucks sake I get so tired of "it is for the children, elderly, refugees and all the other bullshit".
Primary receipient is the politician who through corrruptive practices called bribes leverages it up even more.
Truth now, if I seen a child suffering "I" would help because I am not that callous but I also know they use this argument to fill their pockets. Ditto the others "education", "healthcare" ... etc.
You got it! The County/Municipal model. Student Government using REAL MONEY. OUR MONEY, and failing.
Over compensation from the highest levels to the lowest. They can't be forced out of business due to low demand and poor business skills because they have the courts to collect for them. This type of position will always attract the same type of under performing corruptible dolts.
Multiply the above by 500,000 = The Federal Government
Who is Best Qualified to Decide how How Your Wealth Should be Used?
Three people: Me, myself and I.
and those three will make sure it is spent very very well, without waste. Government do not divest money economically- they dont have to because they never sweated for is creation. As George Carlin said ... they don't give a Fuck about you... they don't give a fuck
Our masters regard us only as so many beasts of burden, the fruits of whose labour are theirs to do with as they see fit. We are expected to be grateful we can keep what crumbs we are tossed. When we outlive our usefulness as beasts of burden, moreover, we will be disposed of.
Horses were mankind's chief mode of transport for millennia. Now the few that remain are rich women's pets, most of their ancestors having been long since sent to dogfood and glue factories. The general welfare of the equine species was never a concern.
Nobody ever apologized to horses for profiting from their labour for millennia and then slaughtering most of their kind when they were no longer useful. And nobody will apologize to the few of us kept around as sex slaves after the vast majority have been hauled off to extermination camps by our robotic replacements.
Horses were lucky - they went first. Humans are next...
Horse tastes better than Long Pig
so I've been told.
Starve a man for a day and he will work for you; starve a man for a week and he will kill for you.
Both smell about the same when initially sliced open.
What sickens me most is when they pit us against each other and we fight between ourselves instead of them. Left vs Right, Muslim vs Christian, black vs white, men vs women, rural vs urban, these are all contrived divides, there is far more that binds Americans than divide US, but their media plays up these differences and we fall for it every time.
Who runs Gambling in America, Pornography, Wall Street, Boxing, Hollywood...
Who runs Gambling in America, Pornography, Wall Street, Boxing, Hollywood...
em let me guess.. Those that nip the foreskins?
OK I want proof (but I suspect someone has peeked behind the curtain.)
Are you taking about the ..... no it could not be, they are Gods Chosen who kill whole southern cities for fun. They are Gods chosen. They are blameless they don't do such things. Oh stop the noises, give me peace. I have been raised to believe they are blameless being Gods people. Gods people would not use their superior force over sling shots of rock or young angry people who see water and power cut off daily. They are blameless, the papers tell me unarmed Palestinians are a danger to a nuclear powerhouse called Israel. Even the Christ found them blameless as he bleed being Crucified on the cross when he was in discourse with the most High. "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Really got to say The Father ( read the big fella) is very Patient with this mob of 12 tribes inbreeds. Fuck em I say, Times up and stop hiding behind a Nation who will wake up one day and say.... Holy crap they fed us a lie. Lots of lies, in Fact I feel I was not being told honestly what was happening.... oh look Dancing with the stars and I will vote For Hillary CLITorous of the We came, We saw and he is died (while I got wet over it.. better than Bill ever could.. in fact I would have fucked the the finger of God, I liked seeing it so much, so I will run for President of The America.
Sick Country requires Head in Bowl...Oh and I expect down votes for truth
Belief in the necessity of government is a cognitive distortion.
If you don't like taxes - then you were born in the wrong country! Well, I suppose you could say that you were born in the right country - but a century too late. I don't think your odds of changing the current country away from taxation are very good (for now) - so either buy yourself a sailboat, move to another country (or planet), or live totally off the grid without electronic (trackable) money.
Well, that's the widely-held fantasy that keeps Simon 'n' Doug in business, and whoever else is selling offshore living investing. Still, once the appropriate new citizenship is in hand, you literally CAN tell the IRS to go fvk themselves.
I suggest using good judgement, though, so you don't find yourself one day being flown back to The Homeland in a C-130, inside a canvas sack.
Lots of people live in the non-official non-government economy. People who haven't figured out how to escape the slave pens don't think its possible though.
totally off the grid without electronic (trackable) money
You mean like those who have given up looking for a job goijng AWOL off the employment register.
Takers. Produce Nothing.
The FEDERAL RESERVE PRODUCES NOTHING! Not fucking "takers"...40% of our taxes go to pay the interest on the "national debt", but you go ahead and chase the little guy, those least able to make a living, while their jobs are shipped overseas, and we import more workers...Do you even know that you are doing the devil's work for him?
What sickens me is the bigots that talk about those who collect SS or Welfare, like that is where all our taxes are going, yet don't blink an eye, when billions go to Israel, oil companies, military security complexes, or another $500,000,000.00 for bombs on Syria.
Yes, much easier to scream about the welfare mom here in America, who will spend that money locally and feed her child, then it is to complain about our money being used to support Zionists in the Middle east, to the tune of trillions of dollars. fucking idiots.
And who destroyed those jobs that the poor people are supposed to be working anyway? The same beneficiaries of the welfare state, the biggest welfare queens on the planet- the elitists who print their own money and tell the rest of us to go fuck ourselves.
Why do you think it is bigoted to comp[lain about people on welfare?
Any examples in history of "anarchy" type societies working?
I didn't think so.
Yes, taxation is force. Monopoly causing prices to go high is force too. If you cannot afford it, then die. (In 1933 our Jewish Friends started a boycot on German goods, hence Germany could not import food - a starvation scheme, which caused high prices. Germany wasn't self sufficent in food.)
A low cost economy has taxes, especially rent taxes. If natural monopolies and rents are not taxed, then monopoly prices will be charged, and then rentiers will become Oligarchs. These Oligarchs will become Kings, and then you have your taxes.
Aristotle noted this cycle, and nothing is new under the sun, except that every generation new people are born - who then rail against the force of taxes. A new fool is born every day.
There are three kinds of markets: Elastic, Inelastic, and Mixed.
Inelastic markets DO NOT HAVE NATURAL PRICE COMPETITION. This is a damn fact. Government belongs in inelastic markets either as a regulator, or an owner. In this position government creates LOWEST COST ECONOMY, and thus economic freedom
Paying fees or taxes to government, when in their sector, should not be viewed as force.
In elastic markets, natural price competiton helps thwart rent seeking behaviors. Government is not needed there to the same degree.
This constant railing aganst government short circuits the discussion, and to my view is hypnosis spreading. Gubmint bad - hence the conversation about what proper role of government is- never can even be brought up. Of course, government can be improperly constituted and evil, especially a government captured by rent seekers, monopolists, or maybe even messianic in-groups.
Yes, before centralised government (i.e for greater part of our human history). There have been many examples of anarchic societies that had a good run in recent memory too. At least until they got nailed by the cult of government.
Also, cf. the entire animal kingdom.
You decry monopolists, yet you declare that a monopoly on legitimate violence (The State) to be generally good. The State does not create the "lowest cost economy", because in any instance were The State institutes inelastic pricing mechanisms, scarcity and shortages become common. The State is nothing but violence institutionalized. Taxation is nothing but theft enforced through that violence or the threat thereof. You are confused.
Socialist governments created the cheapest healthcare systems, transit systems, most likely fireman system and police. I would like to see their prices if they went private. Your point is invalid.
As for taxation, it is a neccessery evil. I don't want to pay taxes either. However the alternatives of complete neoliberal free capitalistic society without a government always leads back to feudalism and serfdom (Hayek's thoughts). Let's say US government just disbands one day and allows the liberterian dreams to come true. Well Lord Blankfein will need to get people for protection of his wealth. As he has a lot he will have to create quite a bit of a force, a minor army. He will also need a bunch of other employees. Who need to work 12hrs a day (8 hours day is so socialist). To check up on all these people he will need a information agency. Also in lack of other justice system, one will have to be created where Lord Blankfein is above all (this may be the case now though). In creating such a big organization, blankfeins power would become rather large as well as all other aristocrats of today. They would need to form some sort of a government among themselves. Probably best to have the richest of them be the king. And now once again we can go back to the beautiful feudal times. Oh and by this point forget the market forces, you live in your masters domain serf. Serf or sheeple is the choice on the menu.
What neoliberals really want is a world where some benevolent, impartial and most importantly FREE force just keeps the rules of free market competition equal for all. But this is just a pipe dream.
Socialist governments created the cheapest healthcare systems
Bullshit. They created the most ineffective healthcare systems that have NO track record of inventing healthcare improvements. You'll kindly see America's record of Nobel prizes in medicine. They hide their costs among the dozens of taxes they charge on top of the slavery taxes on income they charge citizens and then ration it on top of that WITH year long waits and more.
cheapest transit systems
Bullshit. Dictats making the trains run on time does not the cheapest transit make. You're trying to equate public transit system in COUNTRIES the size of massachusetts to the lack of same covering America. That just makes you stupid, not right. Which wonderful transti system did Russia have again? Oh, you meant the trains to the gulags.
"most likely police" I'll give you that one. It hardly costs anything to round people up and shoot them against the wall without need for trials and jails and such.
Here is the list of countries with most efficent healthcare in the world. US at the bottom of the list. Because the poor actually have to pay for R&D. I agree that R&D is the best in US, but at a price too steep. Other parts of the world have developed much more for much less resources (e,g, Cuban lung cancer vaccine), How does it feel to live in the richest country in the world and still have worse healthcare than Cuba, an actively communist country under US embargo for 60 years. Maybe you are in the top percentile and not affected by this, but most of US does not get sufficent healthcare.
http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst//most-efficient-heal...
Your lack of knowledge of the transit system of EU is, well American. Swing by sometimes, you'll learn a few things. It covers the area size of half US (actually more, but the fastest transit is only in west EU). People live 200 km away from their work and manage to get there in an hour ride each day. Ticket prices less than 20L of gasoline and no traffic jams during that travel. As for Russia, never been there unfortunatly, but they have a transit system that connects Vladivostok (just north of North Korea) to Ukraine (TransSiberia). So much for the pissing contest.
Just saying that with natural monopolies a socialist government can create a framework where the costs are covered. It is not ideal, but it means much to the people using the services. Then when these systems are transfered to private domain they get destroyed as show in Britain in these exact two classes, transit and healthcare (US style system on the way). And it is simple really, as capitalist requires a return on the capital in the range of interest rates.
People are evolving past "The State". And that means they are evolving past the nonsense of the government that enslaves and murders them by the millions.
Any examples of "government" that we simply couldn't do without? Didn't think so.
I'm NOT okay with tax money being used to fund proxy wars (ISIS) to benefit Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Israel...let them fund their own freaking wars
Any more my subconscious nags at me to not so much by silver to bankrupt JPM (as sweet as that thought is) but buy it to partake in crushing our satanic zio lizard overlords and defend the white Christin base of Eastern Europe....am I losing my mind? I can't even relate these things to any around me lol
Yes you seem to have gone completely batshit crazy, off the deep end and missing a few from the deck, So on that note you must pack up all that silver and send it to me for my through inspection to insure that you are not holding any fake ingots and it is truly worthy to be used to bail out the white christian base. Email me for my address and instructions.
Here is the emailaddy
udmbmtherfvker@slickdick.com
I've reduced it in my mind to: Buy Silver to support and defend Christianity.
Silver and Christianity... something about that reminds me of a kiss for some reason.
Taxation is theft. Most people avoid believing this simple fact by appeal to magical thinking (the immaterial 'Social Contract'), consequentialism ('we need taxation of else we cannot fun the government and thugs will take over, which ignores the fact that the government is the band of thugs), or simple Stockholm Syndrome denial ('love it or leave it', 'taxiation si voluntary', etc) so they don't have to face the facts of their gilded cage soft oppression.
Correct.
Yep but do you really want the fbi involved?
What can we do??
Use as many government services as possible…. That’s what…
If your doctor has sent you an invoice you don’t believe should be paid, call in the FBI to look for fraud.
It’s YOUR right as an American.
I do it to stay out of jail.
Insult?
Detroit went tits-up. Now Detroit is in need of $750,000,000 to shore-up the schools.
F’in thieves!
Maybe they could use that sports stadium they just built for collateral to get a new loan they will default on.
1. You cant win
2. It isnt going to change
3. Voting is a fools game
4. The only logical choice is to quit working and join the ever growing dependent class...
The tax code.If you do not structure your lifes energy around that it does'nt matter how much you make. The tax man will take it.
If you filed a W2 w/your employer why have'nt you filed a W9 also? This allows you, for 5 years, to pay NO federal taxes. But you have to start a Co. using those earnings.(Still keep your current job) and keep good records.
Next you form a corp. or LLC in Wyoming (No Corp. taxes) and have your employer make your paycheck out to your corp. and have it direct deposited to a bank in Wyoming.
This is your Corps. earnings besides what you make from new co. you formed.
Then downsize your life as much as possible and pay yourself from Corp exactly what it costs you to live. This puts you in a Tax bracket,for example,where Ocare is paid by the Govt. EITC kicks in,etc.The balance stays in your Corp.
You are going to have to bust your ass for 5 years but you probably already are anyway.
You see those Hummers driving around and think the guys rich don't you? He may be but not always. Odds are (s)he owns a small biz, and get this, their is a TAX INCENTIVE from Uncle Sam For Driving a FUEL EFFICIENT vehichle. Thats right the corp owns that and some years ago Ford (ranger) and GM (S10) lobbied for tax breaks on these for biz. Then GM came back to congress and successfully lobbied to include the Hummer!.
It's the Tax Code!
Edit- Move to a state like Fl. or Wash. and no state income tax
Kool strategy, 'cept you better live in Wyoming, else your corp will be paying taxes based on which actual state you live in.
Example, your Corp does all it's business and is registered in WA state, but you live and work remotely in VT.
Your Corp pays all necessary employee taxes to VT.
In addition, because your Corp has an employee working in VT, but only doing business in WA state, your Corp is now liable for VT Corp tax as if it were selling physical product out of VT state even though it is registered in WA state!
Be aware!
It's a crying shame, all the wealth that's been stolen from our Walmart greeters.
The ponzi has hit the " singularity", of cost vs value.
An, financial Mooresmoars Law, being rejected.
I think Irwin Schiff pretty well explains the government side of this story. Stop paying if you want to lose everything and be chained to a bed dying of cancer at 87 years old.
I don't wanna be 'that guy', but a 'paean' is an ode in praise of (like a panegyric).
The author was thinking of 'peon' (from the Spanish péon - a type of labourer having little or no control over his working conditions: effectively, a slave).
They're not pronounced the same:
whereas
The fundamental driving force has been the history of successful warfare based upon backing up deceits with destruction, morphing to become successful finance based on enforcing frauds. It is entirely possible to control civilization through backing up lies with violence, which never stops those lies from still being false, but which nevertheless drive vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS. Each short to medium term success based upon being able to operate the established systems, whereby governments enforced frauds by privately controlled banks, drive society as a whole to become more psychotic, in the sense of more out of touch with relatively objective realities.
At the present time, civilization is almost totally dominated by the best professional hypocrites, resulting in that civilization more and more becoming a Wonderland Matrix Bizarro World, where everything is presented to the public in absurdly backwards ways to what actually exists. The degree to which almost everyone takes for granted thinking using the dominate natural languages, and the dominate philosophy of science, is difficult to fully comprehend!
The essential problem is that the essential aspect of politics must be to operate the human murder systems, as the most extreme forms of the human death control systems, as the central core to the human artificial selection systems, which must necessarily exist due to natural selection pressures. However, the existing artificial selection systems were driven by natural selection pressures to become most socially successful by becoming the most deceitful and treacherous. That was, indeed, consistent with the overall understanding of how natural selection pressures were internalized as human intelligence, and applied to create the artificial selection systems of civilizations, which evolved primarily due to the history of warfare, while that segued into the history of economics, where the powers of the surviving War Kings morphed to become the powers of the Fraud Kings.
The deep dilemmas with respect to having more "competent citizens" are that those would most of all have to take more conscious responsibility for operating better death control systems. However, at the present time, that is politically impossible, due to the history of successful warfare having been based on deceits and treacheries. Hence, what actually exists now are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies, which are dominated by the best available professional hypocrites, who are most socially successful by lying about that.
(Those basic social facts were featured in the article above in those classic quotes from Spooner and Bastiat.)
There is now almost nothing but a core of triumphant organized crime (bankster controlled governments), surrounded by layers of controlled opposition groups, who stay within the same frame of reference based upon the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals. More "competent citizens" would have to accept that they were members of an organized crime gang called their country, in order to become more "competent citizens." Governments developed because when people cannot agree, then they fight, and their relative success during that fighting drove the development of civilization as it exists now, where governments are basically military organizations. Governments must exist because organized crime exists. Governments exist as the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, because that is what actually happens, due to people not being able to agree. Militarism is the ideology of the murder system, and that is the supreme ideology, as well as deserves to be so.
More "competent citizens" would have to take responsibility for operating better death control systems. However, actually doing so is in a head-on collision with thousands of years of history that selected for the most socially successful death control systems to be operated through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, which then became the foundation for political economy based upon governments enforcing frauds by privately controlled banks. The series of short to medium term successes based upon POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS have worse and worse longer term consequences. The excessive successfulness of controlling civilization through applications of the principles and methods of organized crime result, in the longer term, in that civilization as a whole manifesting runaway criminal insanities.
There is NO DOUBT that we are now living inside of civilization based on the exponential development of bigger and better organized crime, which has been getting worse, faster, at an exponential rate, due to prodigious progress in physical science, enabling technologies which are trillions of times more capable and powerful to end up being primarily applied through social pyramid systems, which were always based upon backing up lies with violence. More and more sophisticated and integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, have developed, to become globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. There has been series of profound paradigm shifts in physical science, enabling awesome progress in technologies. However, nothing like that has been allowed to happen in political science! Instead, there are growing Grand Canyon Chasms getting wider and WIDER between progress in physical science, without that being integrated and surpassed by progress in political science.
I REPEAT:
The currently established sociopolitical systems are NECESSARILY based upon governments being the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. Wall Street banksters' political puppets tend to get re-elected, so that about 99% of the politicians that run the government of the USA tend to be treasonous. However, that continues to develop due to the political impossibility of more "competent citizens" realistically participating in better governance.
Since the entire political economy is based upon the social successfulness of governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks, that has resulted in almost everyone deliberately ignoring the principle of the conservation of energy as much as possible, while deliberately misunderstanding the concept of entropy in the most absurdly backward ways possible. Prodigious progress in physical science has enabled social pyramid systems to develop electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. However, the profound paradigm shifts in the basic ways that the ideas about time and space were changed by that progress in physical science (including the ways that the understanding of entropy ought to also have changed, since entropy is the distribution of energy through time and space), have NOT had anything remotely like that be developed in the various old-fashioned religions and ideologies that continue to dominate political affairs.
In my view, it is possible to reconcile human systems of artificial selection within natural selection. However, doing so requires that one take the principle of the conservation of energy much more seriously, as well as reverse the enormous errors that have occurred in the history of science, due to the series of compromises with the biggest bullies' bullshit world views, such as how the concept of entropy in thermodynamics and information theory was totally inverted by inserting arbitrary minus signs into their entropy equations.
The history of warfare was organized crime on larger and larger scales. The history of economics took place inside of that history of warfare. I REPEAT, the powers of the surviving War Kings, that made the sovereign states, were effectively privatized by the Fraud Kings, through the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS. At the same time, the vast majority of "We the People" were deliberately brainwashed to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit, which primarily became the banksters' bullshit. The most scientific brainwashing that money could buy was applied to reduce the majority of the population to becoming "Zombie Sheeple."
I think that the article above about "Taxation" merely being a "Serious Insult" has grossly understated the degree to which that is so, and therefore, grossly underestimated the magnitude of the problems which exist due to the ways that the government's powers to demand payment of taxes in the form of the banksters' fiat "money" made out of nothing, as debts for everyone else, is the main way that such "money" is given any value. Legal tender laws in general, and especially "taxation," are the main ways that governments ENFORCE FRAUDS by privately controlled banks. The governmental death controls are what backs up the banksters' debt controls.
OUR PROBLEMS are the development of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, while at the same time none of the ways of thinking that enabled that kind of progress in physical science has been allowed to develop through political science. Rather, all of the established sociopolitical systems are being operated by the best available professional hypocrites, promoting the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, rather than based upon using unitary mechanisms, through understanding human beings and civilization as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows.
Since our culture almost totally takes for granted thinking about entropy in absurdly backward ways, and does not come remotely close to changing the ways that we think about time and space, in order to respect the profound paradigm shifts that have already occurred regarding those in physical science, there are developing bigger and BIGGER sets of consistent contradictions due to the advancing globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs, whose more and more intense paradoxes are the essence of the history of paper frauds, backed by the force of gunpowder weapons, becoming magnified by many orders of magnitude, which have effectively driven those systems to become runaway criminal insanities, due to their basic structure having always been based on organized crime having been amplified to astronomical sizes by progress in science and technology.
More "competent citizens" would necessarily have to become more scientific about themselves. All private property is based on backing up claims with coercions. There is no private property outside of some system of public violence. The most abstract forms of that are the ways that money is measurement backed by murder, which are the ways that human beings and civilization have developed information theory and thermodynamics. Those have been developed in ways whereby those are publicly presented in the most absurdly backward ways possible, such as that we mostly continue to think about time, space, and entropy in ways which have been proven to be totally wrong, but which the vast majority of people continue to presume are correct.
Governments are necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, because human beings and civilization necessarily operate as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows, which most closely match the principles and methods of organized crime, because the most essential things that must be done are the ways that artificial selection channels natural selection pressures, which means that the human death controls are at the core of everything else, with the human murder systems being the most extreme forms of those.
The biggest and best organized gangs of criminals get away with presenting those social facts about themselves in the most absurdly backward ways possible. Their bullshit, based upon the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals, almost totally dominate everything, such that professional hypocrites have almost total control over civilization, in ways which increasing manifest runaway criminal insanities, due to the excessive successfulness of controlling civilization through applications of the methods of organized crime. After the development of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs, the social pyramid systems, which were ALREADY ALWAYS based upon being able to back up lies with violence, are more and more headed toward their paradoxical final failure from too much of that kind of "success."
While human beings and civilization are NOT actually able to violate the laws of nature, since the only connection between the laws of man and the laws of nature is the ability to back up lies with violence, our society has become as psychotic as it could possibly become, through the triumphant promotion of the biggest bullies' bullshit, that they are somehow not the biggest gangsters, controlled by the best organized gangsters. The vast majority of citizens can not become more competent, because they have almost nothing but controlled opposition groups to turn to, which are surrounding the core organized crime groups.
The ONLY way that a more and more technologically based civilization MIGHT survive the prodigious progress in physical science enabling the development of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic weapons, would be for that civilization to go through series of profound paradigm shifts in the ways that it thinks about its political problems! To the degree that we collectively fail to do that, our civilization will continue to become even more psychotic, and continue towards committing collective suicide. The established debt slavery systems, developed through the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS, have become runaway debt insanities, which are threatening to provoke unprecedented levels of death insanities as the consequences in the foreseeable future.
However, the only genuinely realistic resolutions to those real problems would require the development of better death control systems, to back up better debt control systems, so that the overall economic activities of civilization would not be still so dominated by fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems. Since human beings and civilization necessarily live as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows, we must continue to operate through the dynamic equilibria of different systems of organized lies operating robberies. However, we could and should correct the enormous errors regarding how we currently are thinking about ourselves doing those things.
At the present time, those dynamic equilibria have become extremely unbalanced, and are automatically getting more unbalanced, due to the degree to which the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals are able to continue to get away with pretending that they are not doing that, while most of the controlled opposition groups that surround that core of organized crime also promotes bogus "solutions" based upon the same old-fashioned impossible ideals, that always backfire badly and cause the opposite to happen in the real world, because they misunderstand their mechanisms in the most absurdly backward ways possible.
The world of politics today is mostly the banksters' political puppets, being voted for by enough of the masses of muppets, in order to keep the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS going and growing ... At the present time, the Wonderland Matrix Bizarro World's GREAT INSANITY continues getting worse, faster ... The ability of some human beings to understand and apply the laws of nature continues to advance in many particular ways, BUT, THAT IS NOT APPLIED THROUGH POLITICAL SCIENCE TO MORE SCIENTIFICALLY UNDERSTAND HUMAN BEINGS AND CIVILIZATION, DUE TO THAT REQUIRING PROFOUND PARADIGM SHIFTS, WHICH NONE OF THE CURRENTLY SUCCESSFUL PROFESSIONAL HYPOCRITES WOULD LIKE!
Generally speaking, almost everyone wants to continue to believe in their favourite bullshit social stories, that they previously developed to want to believe in. In my opinion, the article above got stuck in its own mistaken labeling, such as blaming "democratic socialism."
It is NOT that case that:
Actually, America and all other Western countries, as well as every other civilization that has ever existed, has been governed according to the principles of organized crime, because every civilization was necessarily governed by its death control systems.
There is only one energy, and therefore, only one political system, namely the principles and methods of organized crime. The most important features of the current systems are that governments ENFORCE FRAUDS by privately controlled banks. There is NO "capitalism" nor any "free markets" within that context. Rather, the monetary system and national security have become the American State Religions.
What actually exists are combined money/murder systems, and those are the only things which can exist and which must exist. Theoretically, a democratic republic operating through the rule of law was supposed to provide checks and balances, as well as enable "We the People" to elect representatives which would act for the public interest. However, the actual vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS have systematically destroyed every aspect of the ideals that were supposed to be able to work through the constitutional framework. Effectively, the public powers have been privatized. The public money supply has been about 99% privatized, while the public murder system has been about 75% privatized. The democratic republic has become political puppets, voted for my enough of the masses of muppets, who can be fooled enough of the time. The rule of law has been systematically eroded and undermined. That is especially the case because of the degree to which there is almost nothing which is publicly significant that appears to oppose the core of organized crime, as bankster controlled governments, that is not controlled opposition, which stays stuck inside of the same ruts of thinking using dualities, false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals.
All of the currently dominate religions and ideologies tend to continue to take for granted thinking about time and space, and therefore entropy too, in the most absurdly backward ways possible. The profound paradigm shifts in physical science, that have enabled the development of technologies like electronic communications and atomic energy, have, so far, done almost nothing to change people's political ideas. Hence, the runaway criminal insanities of civilization, automatically getting worse, faster, due to the dominate sociopolitical systems all being operated by the best available professional hypocrites, who deeply do not want to become more scientific about themselves and what they are really doing.
Theoretically, radical intellectual scientific revolutions in political science are necessary, and those should be applied through radical changes in the ways that we perceive our political problems, and so, operate our combined money/murder systems. Doing that would provide the content required for more "competent citizens" to become more scientific about themselves.
However, it is painfully obvious that we are NOT headed in that direction, but rather, are rapidly heading towards the established debt slavery systems driving their debt insanities towards provoking death insanities, all of which will probably become such unprecedented levels of runaway criminal insanity, due to the excessive successfulness of controlling civilization through applying the methods of organized crime, to the extent that the vast majority of people have no way to think any better about that being the actually existing situation.
The most egregious criminals, as long as they are the best available professional hypocrites, tend to continue to be the most socially successful politicians, despite upholding treasons, and therefore, instead of a democratic republic operating through the rule of law, we more and more are stuck inside of a fake democracy, based upon a fake education and fake news, all of which drives the existing "democrazy" continues to get crazier and crazier!
Tragically, in my view, articles like the one above do not engage in deeper analysis regarding how and why civilization developed through the history of warfare. Moreover, there also tends to be some unstated presumptions that it should be possible for no murder systems to exist. However, politics without violence is like physics without force. Governments exist due to the history of organized crime operating at larger and larger scales, in more and more sophisticated ways. There were reasons for how and why that happened. There are also reasons for how and why the excessive successfulness of doing that has driven civilization towards manifesting runaway criminal insanities.
However, the chronic political problems which are inherent in the nature of life will never go away, as long as any groups of human beings survive. The deeper levels of the problems we face due to living inside of Wonderland Matrix Bizarro Worlds, where governments are necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized criminals, who are able to publicly get away with doing that, precisely because they are that, and also get away with presenting what they are really doing in the most absurdly backward ways, also simply because they are able to do that.
The human murder systems were the development of real solutions to chronic political problems, which were inherent to the nature of life. As soon as we perceive human beings as separated from their environment and each other, then they must necessarily live as gangs of robbers. Therefore, governments are necessarily the biggest gangs of robbers, controlled by the best organized gangs of robbers, and indeed, they label their robbery as "taxation." In turn, that "taxation" then backs up the symbolic robberies through frauds that the privately controlled banks are able to engage in, which are many orders of magnitude bigger than any and all other sorts of publicly recognized crimes.
As long as people continue to rely upon the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, then they will continue to propose bogus "solutions" to chronic political problems which will backfire badly, and actually make the opposite to happen in the real world. That makes sense due to those people actually being controlled opposition, due to them still thinking using the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, and still taking for granted the banksters' bullshit regarding the economic processes.
The most intense ways that people misunderstand things in the most absurdly backward ways are, of course, most directly related to the human death control systems, and especially the murder systems. All of that tends to be publicly presented in the most absurdly backward ways possible, and that is especially the case with respect to the various controlled opposition groups that promote bogus "solutions" based upon impossible ideals.
We are stuck with the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, that after there is life, then the death controls direct the evolution of that life. Human history has already been doing that. Along the way, extremely intense paradoxes, as sets of consistent contradictions, have been deployed within the social pyramid systems, by the ruling classes being able to brainwash those they ruled over to believe in bullshit. At the present time, the vast majority of "We the People" have become effectively incompetent political idiots because they keep on being fooled and tricked by the best professional liars, who provide the best performances based upon promoting impossible ideals.
I REPEAT, THE BASIC PROBLEMS ARE DUE TO THE WAYS THAT PEOPLE THINK USING THE DUALITIES OF FALSE FUNDAMENTAL DICHOTOMIES AND THE RELATED IMPOSSIBLE IDEALS, WHEN ACTUALLY THERE ARE NOTHING BUT UNITARY MECHANISMS.
GOVERNMENTS ARE NECESSARILY THE BIGGEST FORMS OF ORGANIZED CRIME. THE ONLY BETTER GOVERNMENTS MUST BE BETTER ORGANIZED CRIME. CITIZENS ARE ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF AN ORGANIZED CRIME GANG, WHOSE MILITARY HISTORY SELECTED IT TO BE WHAT IT WAS ABLE TO BECOME.
Within that context, there are no other realistic resolutions of the real problems than to endeavour to develop better dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies. The article above was superficially correct that governments should not be able to get away as totally as they now tend to do by justifying and rationalizing their robberies as being "taxation." As the development of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic bombs, continues to drive that MAD Money As Debt system, as backed by that MAD Mutual Assured Destruction system, the overall MADNESS of governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks continues to get worse, faster ...
As expressed on Zero Hedge by Cognitive Dissonance: "The absolute best controlled opposition is one that doesn't know they are controlled." Those who turn from their superficial analysis to propose "solutions" that continue to be based upon false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals ARE "the absolute best controlled opposition BECAUSE THAT is one that doesn't know they are controlled."
Why did you waste our time, only to make such a valid and succiinct observation?
That being> "The absolute best controlled opposition is one that doesn't know they are controlled."
You clearly have an identity crisis, or ulterior motives.
Practicing English perhaps?
Yes - lots of words in that comment by RM. I once heard that brevity is the soul of wit.... perhaps it is not true.
It is...
We the people have the power to stop the crime. We sit on the juries, but 99.99% are too ignorant to know how to use their power. The 16th amendment gave no new taxing power to Congress. So held the Supreme court in several cases.
Addendum: Bernie Sanders Has Already WonSenator Bernie Sanders is aiming to become the democratic party’s nominee for the presidency of the United States of America. He considers himself a democratic socialist. But his mission is actually superfluous.
In fact, Senator Sanders has already succeeded. America has for a long time been governed according to the principles of democratic socialism, as have many other Western countries.
In fact, it appears Bernie is a hard core Marxist:http://www.examiner.com/article/the-enemies-within-trevor-loudon-exposes...
You are a fool.
We are taxed because we voted for a system that recognises that people will NOT support the common good.In doing so, they fail to support YOUR desired outcome, So sad.
I only believe that you pay from your private income those services you need.
These services if they are not wanted and if a business not competative it goes under.
The real true of taxation ...
Those in power do not operate that way they expect you through forced taxation to pay for a quality of life that I am not entitled too. This quality of life they have needs to be defended so roll out the military and spy network because for sure it does not benefit me.
Can't abide politicians no more and Democracy is a farce, the real challenge for people is how to dismantle the latter and restore the former.
Muslims cut off the hands of thieves.
Not a very smart idea is it?
Hey Blogposter may I ask you who the royal "We" is?
If its "we the people" then we are in a Republic based on Law and the principle of universal vote (democracy in essence); "we the people" elect the Congress and the Potus.
So those tax laws are the result of a political process in the framework of a nation state with a Republican constitution and with a tradition of "one man one vote" that elects the political elite.
If "we the people" do not like the result they can vote again to change COngress and Government. As W Churchill said : "its the worst form of government barring all others".
And as Plato explained a long time ago : If you don't want democracy the alternative is Aristocracy (rule of Oligarchy) or even worse : Despotism (rule of ONe).
So when you spit on the Republic's due process of election and lawmaking please tell us where your preference lies.
To think that ANARCHY and a utopian state of "every man for himself" will solve the problem, by drinking tea with his fellow delusional false noses of Despotism, is a blatant lie; as History has proven time and again.
You want anarchy you get Julius Caesar!
Bastiat referred to an Absolutist state where Napoleon and subsequently the Sun King's sons were answerable to no one. The Republic was dead in his lifetime. You should also refer to Proudhon who was the father of anarchism and lived in Bastiat's times. They truly made an original couple in a world that spawned NApoleon III. (Little Caesar)
love you falak, but "we the people elect the congress and potus"
LOL, diebolt loves you man. take a look at how J McCain went from dead last and broke to winning the gop nod for pres..selected not elected comes to mind.
you are elegant in your written word, but alas to prove your points you almost always miss the big picture..I have not given consent to any of the .gov actions in years and years, Lois Lerner btw was not elected, nor where the heads of epa or hls..they are selected from a pool of reptiles inbred and crony fucks.
your premise fails.
You were born into consent.
Are you one of these looser sovereign citizen types who marches around on the roads I buy?
Go back to your mothers womb.
No my premise is a working democracy.
Reaganomics has created a one legged tripod economy; (maximising shareholder value and forgetting the salaried man and client satisfaction); where the WS Oligarchs pumped on steroids have financialized WS to OWN Congress and Potus via electoral lobbyism!
What we have now since Reaganomics days; and the concomitant demise of a FREE press and an "educated public" --dumbed downed in Ramboistic jingoistic media shows--- ; has seen the RISE of the plutocratic OLIGARCHY. We are ALREADY there.
So if you follow the way Plato points to, the next step in this race to bottom process has to be : Land of Caesar!
My premise is "we the people" have to wake up to reverse the past fall into Oligarchy rule of today in order to avoid the death knell of inevitable MIIC led Dictatorship of tomorrow's age
falak, you are fixated with reagan. but have you ever looked at frankie roosevelt? and his communist cohorts. or mr wilson of i signed the federal reserve act before i read it. fame..those in power have been bought and paid for since lincoln and his genocidal war. they say mary lincoln went mad, well her husband was criminal insane by any objective standard.
I'm fixated with reality while you are fixated with dogma.
My whole premise is you are what you DO, not what you say. Aristotle taught us that. So its a very old lesson !
FDR will go down in world history as having saved the western world and having created an economic dynamism that created a golden age for America post 1945. The marginal taxation rate in those days was very high. It didn't stop the US from being an economy that dominated. In fact those entrepreneurs did not become FAT CATS and play on billions made on insider trading.
Your allusion to his tolerance of "commies" is a knee jerk that makes me laugh. Nixon played ping pong with Mao and his sons sold the Western industrial world down the river to China. THATS FACT. So who was the true Manchurian candidate?
Whereas the FDR commie slur is FICTION as the McCarthy rage proved. It debased American values. The true UGLY Unamericans were McCarthy, Hoover and the Dulles' in person.
As far as Reagan is concerned he created this Oligarchy which now reigns over the world. No more need be said. His "bring down that wall Mr Gorby" will go down as the biggest insult to History. As its been replaced by the NSA inquisitorial universe; a world of kafkaian spook/drone and indiscriminate murder domination and the barbed wire of Mexican frontier.
FACT OVER FICTION.
If you don't like Lincoln you are the best example of a man who loves fiction over reality. If Lincoln was genocidal WHY didn't his federal construct collapse? Why did the US prosper? That in itself is an admission by you of your premise that Dixie was what America should have been about.
Well History said no! So we have to accept it, unless the new sons of Dixie win back their past illusionary state !
falak ol sport, you ask why, why why? as if your examples of fdr or lincoln for that matter were the only variables in play. and like so many FDR syncopaths you see only his actions as responsible for post ww2 economic results ..not the pent up demand building during the war years or the fact america's factories were never bombed into ruble.
i am sure you give no value to the Verona papers, do you? exposing the communists in FDR and his VP's adm. you cannot keep just the facts you want.
I don't just ask "why why why" I also give you the timeline of whats what IMO.
If you think that FDR's POSiTIVE role in history is minor and Reagan's similarly labelled role is major we have a difference.
The facts are what they are, the interpretation of facts are your domain of subjective thinking like mine.
We've laid out our arguments for what is major and what is minor fact.
I cannot add anything more to that.
Falak, please read a book. One that is not in the mandatory reading list at your liberal arts college. FDR's policies DID NOT HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT on the economy. That is fact, not dogma. FDR's actions, from setting up the conditions that forced the US to enter WWII, to his socialistic laws that centralized control of the economy, nationalized private property and dictated production and prices were no different than the actions of Lenin or Mao. He was a SOCIALIST in actions if not in name.
lovin' it falak.
you are constantly opening up new perspectives on the past, which too few americans take into account.
Piss on the myth of FDR creating any economic dynamism. Perhaps the greatest factor in the economic growth of the US was that after WWII we were the only civilized nation whose infrastructure had not been degraded by war. Not hard to compete when your factories are intact and your competitors are in smoking ruins.
We the people no longer elect our representatives when the popultion represented by one congress critter has explanded from 33K to 1 million. It matters not whether, through sheer inertia, people still go through the motions of voting when those "elected" disregard the restraints upon then that make their "election" legitimate.
There is no system of government that can be devised that is immune to the coruptions of evil men. The only prevention and cure is minimal government and a well armed citizenry.
Caesar did not come from anarchy but from democracy. He was elected by his fellow senators (true, he had his troops garrisoned south of the Rubicon) and then named dictator by them who pretended to represent the people. The fallacy here is the NEED for AUTHORITY. You and I do not need an outside force, be it elected, selected or enthroned, in order to run our daily lives. You and I work as anarchists every day while sharing within our clan and accepting the fallacy of an outside authority, which for the purposes of this article, requires tribute for your existence within a particular geographical boundary.
Elections are just the latest fallacy, the front end show that keeps the masses servile. In the past, rulers were gods, then appointed by god and later elected by the people. It is the same fallacy. Rulers are the unnecessary element which necessitates the fallacy. You and I do not need to be ruled by anyone. I am free to deal or not with you on a daily basis. If I wish I may share, cooperate or assist you. On the reverse coin I am also free to reject, refuse and ignore you. No outside force is needed. If you desire my production or my cooperation, you are free to convince me, without coercion, to cooperate or trade. That is the basis of Anarchy. Everything else is slavery.
Amen, brother. They myth of authority and the myth that aggression is necessary and can be legitimate are at the root of all human suffering. People insistently cling to and vigorously defend these myths, even here on ZH. One day in the future enough men will wake up to the truth you speak.
The president is definitely more qualified than you. Your rant proves that
Its really simple. I have been doing it fr over 30 years..
You just say hmm ok when some half fucktard bureaucrat says anything then just go and do what you want to do.
I never ever file tax returns, hey go direct to the bin, same as every other piece of shit from any cunt I don't personally know or want to know.
The funny thing is you develop a way of life that enables it, you disappear from the radar, they end up with no records of you, especially when you learn how to use different identities, and move a round a lot and well especially if you are not so dumb as to work as a fucking slave or a salary-man.
Let the sheeple who vote for these cunts pay them , but I will never pay fucking taxes to these cocksucking troughers
If you live in the USA , then you pay taxes.
You sound mighty, but I think your brave avatar and words of rebellion echo from your moms basement as you prepare yourself for the balance of your day as a slave.
Sunshine, I never pay tax. Just like that fucking orange cunt at the IMF I stay exempt simply because I am prepared to do whatever it takes to avoid and evade it
I've read your comments on various points. Your no friend to anyone, and you in control of anything is a mistake.
This blog talks of enemies, you are a factual enemy whose existence brings everyone down.
If you are like this through comments, in person you must be quite the drag on life. It is with absolute certainty that I know you are miserable, and ilI liked by most.
You are, always have been and will continue to be a loser.
That world that exists in your head is just in your head - the one where you are all powerful and above all and everyone else.
In life you have failed to measure up by anyone's standards so you have created your own so you feel like you are something.
The reality is you live in fear. It screams from your comments as surely as the sun rises.
The only peace you'll ever find is with death, because you have failed at living.
We have socialism to the degree that we have no real, but only fake ,democracy.
Almost none of what the government does is authorized by the Constitution, a document establish by 75% referendum vote.
Yet they tell us a bare majority of representatives can overturn it. And now that a monolithic presidency holding all state powers, executive, legislative, and judicial, can overrule it at will.
We have neither Democracy nor Law in this sad land.
gcj, yes correct..I look at the legal profession, the law school dons, the courts;to act to protect the constitution..nothing but out right rejection as with roberts it's a tax re write of aca. the courts of the land are corrupt and have no legitimacy.."no controlling legal authority" as al gore said.
falak and others refuse to admit we live without the rule of law..except the execution of common folk by multiple gun shots by the men in blue.
THat whole tax.penalty issue was nothing but a distraction anyway. The feds have no authority to write any regulation of insurance or health care. They got everyone arguing over the nonsense of whether something is a tax or a penalty and then go it's a tax so everything else we did that we have no authority to do is no legitimate. It is arguable that the feds have no authority to tax something where they have no authority to regulate it. It is not arguable that they have no lawful authority to regulate medicine, insurannce, communications, the environment, etc. etc. etc.
The vast majority who study and practice law do so to evade it, to understand its weaknesses and technicalities so to corrupt its intentions. Just as we have a constitutional scholar in the white house, to undermine it and pervert every intention it lays out.
More garbage from zero hedge.
Written for children, by a person with the mind of a child.
It should be a source of embarrassment that a web site that sometimes actually provides some good information and analysis decides Garage like this is as well thought out.
I hear positions like this article mouthed off most by those with no money, who are on welfare complaining about the cost of cigarettes while asking for a ride.
Yes, I prefer to choose my own garage...
No taxation?
So no-one builds or maintains sewers that fall into disrepair?
No thanks, I don't want to live in a country like that!
Sewers are probably the greatest achievement of engineers in the last 500 years; possibly of mankind.
long history of toll roads, you use it you pay, some here are prisoners of the now and the reality of .gov is here to help..we would never have sewers without .gov LOL, I put in my own sewage system w/o .gov like millions of others across america it is called a septic tank and drain field..works great.
http://youtu.be/cBvcB0idTH0
Great Mr. septic tank, you had better stay home.
Cities and supermarkets that sell trucked in products are off limits in your sewerless society.
henry the troll, writes spittle..not understanding the needed services of a community can and have been and are to this day also provided by private companies, some good and some rotten, but i suspect ol henry is in .gov at some level. verylow level, by his understanding of .gov ,would be my guess.
Exactly! No one has ever invented anything more useful than the toliet (connected to a functioning sewer and waste treatment. system) But the free market/no government fools yammer on about "freedom".
Guys, pay your income taxes. That will keep you out of Leavenworth. Pay your property taxes. That will keep you off the street. Things are going to get much less complicated. Detroit is our future. The bureaucracy will eat itself.
Cloud9.5, just what is the definition of the word "income" in a tax statute? You used the word, so, what is the definition according to the United States Supreme court?
The Supreme Court does not write the dictionary. They wshould consult one much more often. It is not their job to define words - it is their job to understand the meaning of the words used.
Please explain how Detroit conditions, with no job, and continued property taxes to pay our beloved 'servants' is ever going to be easier? The only thing 'easy' is the trip to tent fucking city.
Because you won't be getting fed dick and gruel in Leavenworth, you'll be starving for free under your favorite overpass.
Oh, I hope so!!!
in Colonial times a householder could pay a fee and would have the fire department respond if his house caught fire. If he had not paid the fee beforehand they would not respond. What happened was that when a fire hit someone's house who had not paid the blaze would often engulf the house or houses next door whose owners had paid. A few fires like that and it was determined that everyone should pay for the fire protection. The idea is to have effective and affordable governmental services where needed. You can't pretend that the "free market" will take care of everything. As an aside there has never been a totally "free market" in anything.
Why is it that those who advocate stealing from your neighbor always pull out the few legitimate tax situations to justify the wholesale enslavement to the state?
I am not advocating stealing from anyone it's just that some things require a community effort. The sewage system is another example; septic tanks work fine in a rural area but would be impossible in an urban area and the resulting disease epidemics would affect everyone.
lost, yes you are, the only tool in your basket is a hammer called .gov..
today's news says fed .gov is using civilian contractors as drone drivers, replacing airmen..private contractors doing a very government job of killing and wounding the poor of the third world.
cities may well not be able to use my septic system, but private co's providing the sewers to a city is not beyond reason, in fact many private co's maintain & build those city systems each and every day.
open your eyes the world is much bigger than your viewpoint.
And the private contractors operating and maintaining the drones are getting $200,000 of taxpayer money each year compared to $50,000 for an airman doing the same work. Both are paid for by the taxpayer, so it would seem you have disproved your own point?
You can't really be this dense.
There is no reason for the fire protection to be provided by government. Volunteer fire departments worked quite well for a very long time throughout America. Cost a hell of a lot less than these palatial firehouses full of ealry pension firefighters do now.
This is refutable on a practical level in a dozen different ways. But that all doesn't matter, what matters here is the morality of violence.
If you think you can justify the group of men you call government violently stealing from and imprisoning peaceful people for "their own good," don't look around for the evil, you are it.
It doesn't matter if your agenda is government fire protection or government police protection or government charity for the poor or government health care or government retirement funding or whatever is your pet cause that you insist only a violent monopoly can and must take over at gunpoint rather than allow peaceful, voluntary agreements among people operate to address.
Anytime you sanction initiating force no attempted justification can make that anything other than what it is: aggression.
yup. And nothing like Bammy approving 800 Million to Syrians and Kiev. at RT reports https://www.rt.com/usa/323744-obama-ndaa-ukraine-syria/
Nothing liike paying for your own demise now is there? This is beyond speachless what is going on these days. Still think im gonna wake up and it was just a bad dream. And speaking of RT. I dont know about the general opinion here but i find them refreshing. I guess that Tyler references them speaks something but then again the same but maybe not to the degree does CNN, WSJ.. Honestly i need to hear nothing from those treasonous excuses for human beingsI hear yea but thats Russian propaganada. But im like hey who cares. Im not going there for that im going there to learn what dot gov doesnt want to tell me. Go look at the main now and dont go WTF !!! besides their bomber vids are just bad ass
Bombs and welfare.
I'm not a welfare basher btw, i'm a basher of those that created this stupid ass sytem, then need more money for bombs and gov't salaries so they turn on the shit they created.
BTW, stop talking about what's legal and what's not. It doesn't matter. That's how powerful they are.
All direct taxes must be apportioned among the States. All indirect taxes must be uniform among the States. Income taxes are indirect taxes only. Go read Eisner v. Macomber to learn what "income" is in a tax statute. For individuals it is NOT COMPENSATION for services they are being COMPENSATED for. We MUST know this truth to be free.
some here are paid to not notice that .gov sets the idea that without it no public services would exsist..when i point out examples like toll roads, private sewage systems, they ignore it ..they are examples of sub humans who cannot see out of the litter box of .gov is the only way to provide for society..they limit the human mind and spirt.
IRS - Irredeemable Reprobate Scumbags
Don't kid yourself: if they can issue $Trillions to banksta-gangstas via a keystroke and dream up futher $Trilliions for their murderous wars - they don't need the relative pitance they thieve in Fed. Income Tax
Its the INFORMATION that mandatory Tax Returns provide that they want - sort of like a pre-internet Facebook of one's livelihood & personal belongings - all the better to slowly squeeze you dry - and with max pain should you complain.
This is the presumption that is killing our nation. 'The people' and the property of the people, is not subject to taxation period! How in the world can a right to property be unalienable yet taxable? The right to property has been mentioned as unalienable, and listed in the same sentence with the right to life in state constitutions. Can government tax your right to life, and kill you if you refuse? The subject of taxation is COMMERCE ONLY.
Repeal the Federal Reserve Act and all regulations promulgated under it. Dismantle the IRS and send all its emoloyees to another country of their choice. Destroy the PRIVATE cartel that issues US currency through the cesspool conduit known as The Congress of the United States.