Fourth Turning - Social & Cultural Distress Dividing The Nation

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Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

I wrote the first three parts of this article back in September and planned to finish it in early October, but life intervened and truthfully I don’t think I was ready to confront how bad things will likely get as this Fourth Turning moves into the violent, chaotic war stage just over the horizon.

The developments in the Middle East, Europe, U.S., China and across the globe in the last months have confirmed my belief war drums are beating louder, global war beckons, and much bloodshed will be the result. Fourth Turnings proceed at their own pace within the 20 to 25 year crisis framework, but there is one guarantee – they never de-intensify as they progress. Just as Winter gets colder, stormier and more bitter as you proceed from December through February, Fourth Turnings get nastier, grimmer, more perilous, with our way of life hanging in the balance.

In Part 1 of this article I discussed the catalyst spark which ignited this Fourth Turning and the seemingly delayed regeneracy. In Part 2 I pondered possible Grey Champion prophet generation leaders who could arise during the regeneracy. In Part 3 I focused on the economic channel of distress which is likely to be the primary driving force in the next phase of this Crisis. In Part 4 I will assess the social and cultural channels of distress dividing the nation, Part 5 the technological, ecological, political, military channels of distress likely to burst forth with the molten ingredients of this Fourth Turning, and finally in Part 6 our rendezvous with destiny, with potential climaxes to this Winter of our discontent.

The road ahead will be distressful for everyone living in the U.S., as we experience the horrors of war, economic collapse, civil chaos, political upheaval, and the tearing of society’s social fabric. The pain and suffering being experienced across the globe today will not bypass the people of the United States. Winter has arrived and lethal storms are gathering in the distance. Don’t think you can escape. You can prepare, but this Crisis will reshape our society for better or worse, and you cannot sidestep the consequences or cruel environment we must survive.

“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

Social Distress

The vast and growing Grand Canyon sized gap between the haves and have nots, and the societal implications of an elitist uber-wealthy minority capturing the levers of our economic, financial, and political systems, using that control to further enrich themselves at the expense of the isolated working class, can be clearly understood by following the dialogue between three billionaires chatting on stage at a conference thrown by a convicted Wall Street criminal.

Sheryl Sandberg: “Yeah, so let’s follow up on a bunch of the things we were talking about. Let’s start with income inequality.”

Hank Paulson: “Ok, well.. income inequality. I think this is something we’ve all thought about. You know I was working on that topic when I was still at Goldman Sachs..”

Robert Rubin: “In which direction? You were working on increasing it.”

Hank Paulson then bursts out laughing: “Yeah! We were making it wider!”

Paulson and Rubin spent vast portions of their lives working for the vampire squid on the face of America – Goldman Sachs. This firm represents everything wrong with our social order, as they use all means (legal or illegal) to enrich themselves, whether it be back stabbing clients, double crossing partners, eviscerating vulnerable competitors, robbing the poor, rigging markets, buying influence, placing executives in the highest levels of government, or screwing the taxpayer when their risky gambles blow up the world. Paulson and Rubin are the perfect representatives of the .1% ruling class who protect their interests and the interests of their crony capitalist colleagues at all costs. They truly believe they are shrewder, more astute, cleverer, deserving of the billions they have absconded through rigging the markets, should be running the country behind the scenes, and merit the worship of the lowly peasantry.

The gap between the richest 1% and the bottom 90% has never been wider in history. The previous largest gap occurred in 1929, at the start of the last Fourth Turning. When the real median household income hasn’t advanced in the last 26 years and men’s real wages are where they were in 1971, while CEOs of S&P 500 companies make 331 times their workers and Wall Street hedge fund managers make billions while paying no taxes, you have building anger, disillusionment and calls for retribution.

Some people are waking up to the fact the Ben Bernanke led Federal Reserve and the Hank Paulson/Tim Geithner led Treasury saved their buddies on Wall Street while throwing the people on Main Street under the bus. When Wall Street’s leveraged risk bets pay off, they reap all the riches – as is happening today. When their colossal wagers go bad, the propaganda about systematic failure is rolled out and the American people are stuck with the losses. The goal has always been to revive the stock market and make sure the Wall Street banks continue to generate billions in profits, while leaving the taxpayer on the hook for their failed bets.

The OWS and Tea Party were both grass roots initiated movements as a societal response to the distress created by Wall Street and their government crony cohorts. The Wall Street banks colluded with DHS and captured politicians of both parties to crush OWS and subvert the Tea Party. The Deep State’s success in squashing dissent from what they considered the lowly peasants has only been temporarily papered over by the $10 trillion of debt issued to keep the masses sedated, deluded and ignorant about the true nature of the ongoing crisis. The storyline about the 1% is misleading, as many people in the 1% are small business owners, doctors, and professional workers. The true story is the exponential wealth increase of the .1% over the last 35 years as the financialization of the economy has enriched psychopathic, highly educated men who produce nothing but misery, debt, and ultimately social unrest.

Decomposing the 1% reveals the top .1% increasing their share of the national wealth from less than 9% in 1980 to over 21% today. These are the corporate CEO’s buying back their company stock at all-time highs in order to boost their stock based compensation, Wall Street executives who committed the largest control fraud in world history while unabashedly flaunting laws & regulations, hedge fund managers who manipulate and rig the markets while paying no taxes on their billion dollar profits, and billionaire cronies who profit from the military industrial complex and sick care complex by paying off politicians to write laws in their favor and funnel government contracts to them. The sacking and pillaging of the nation’s wealth by psychopaths who are never satisfied with their current vast level of riches, power and control, exposes itself in the tremendous recovery on Wall Street and the ongoing depression on Main Street.

A simmering rage is bubbling below the surface as 20% of American households rely on food stamps to survive, the percentage of Americans in the labor force stands at a four decade low, real household income remains stagnant at 1988 levels, corporate profits have reached record levels while corporations continue to fire Americans – shipping their jobs overseas, and the six mega-corporations representing the mainstream media cover up the truth, mislead the public with propaganda, while celebrating the .1% as saviors of our economy. There is nothing more volatile to societal stability than millions of unemployed men, growing angry and resentful towards the ruling class for their lot in life.

The vast gulf between the haves and have nots will fuel further violence between the classes, as our fraying society is already seething with anger between races, religions, political parties, and genders. The increasingly brutal police state, militarization of local police forces, shaking down of citizens through fines, and unlawful surveillance of our electronic communications, will lead to a backlash against police.

The Black Lives Matter movement, begun after a number of police brutality incidents against black men, has been hijacked by politically motived race baiters and is exacerbating tensions between blacks and whites. The false storyline perpetuated by the media disregards the fact blacks, who represent 13% of the population, commit 22% of all violent crimes and 93% of black shooting victims are shot by other blacks. The white population, abiding by laws, is getting sick of being blamed for the gun violence and lawlessness in liberal ghetto bastions like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis and Philadelphia.

Cultural Distress

Even though the vast majority of gun related crimes happen in urban ghettos and the much publicized mass shootings are committed by mentally deranged young men on psychotropic drugs, liberal control freak politicians use scare tactics and misinformation in their effort to grab the guns of law abiding Americans living in rural regions. It is the elitist hypocrite politicians living on the coasts, protected by armed guards, who want to eviscerate the 2nd Amendment, and think it is fine for the 4th Amendment to be disregarded by police thugs across the land. Disarming the citizenry is essential to implementing a dictatorial regime. The race wars have intensified, as the Black Lives Matter meme has spread to college campuses in Missouri and in the hallowed Ivy League at Yale and Princeton.

The bullying tactics of the pampered participation trophy generation of entitled millennials, being misled by social justice warrior ideologues, is fueling a backlash by older generations who studied, worked hard, obtained useful college degrees, repaid their student loans, and didn’t use race, gender, or micro-aggressions as excuses when they failed. College campuses, which once championed free speech and free thought, have now become bastions of censorship, left wing ideology, suppression of opinion, shouting down of dissent, thought control, and subduing the rights of the majority for the benefit of an outraged minority who resort to violent rhetoric to achieve their outcomes.

Institutions of higher education have become nothing more than glorified daycare centers for kids who never grew up, learned personal responsibility, or developed critical thinking skills. The feckless college faculty and administrators have allowed financial considerations to override learning, as the curriculum has been dumbed down to meet the degraded capabilities of their high self-esteem/low intelligence students. The reality of an increasingly brutal economic environment and high likelihood of war is about to crash headlong into the coddled, pampered, parent protected, iGadget, facebook worlds of millions of millennials.

They will be nothing but cannon fodder for the Deep State unless they develop a backbone, start thinking critically about what is happening in this world, start dealing with reality, stop trusting the government to save them, and make a stand against the corporate fascist tyranny consuming our nation. The Peter Pan Syndrome, where people with the body of an adult but the mind of a child, increasingly dominate the landscape, as a larger number of supposed adults exhibit emotionally immature behaviors. The self-neutering of young men is the result of twelve years of feminist social engineering in government controlled public schools. The wussificiation is complete.

The combination of social justice warriors, pushing agendas completely out of step with mainstream Americans, and a dying legacy media providing infotainment disguised as news, fuels further cultural distress from coast to coast. With liberalism rampant and dominant on the coasts and conservatism governing the heartland, the cultural divide in the country is a gaping chasm. Average Americans trying to live their lives, pay their bills, and raise families have no strong opinions about gay marriage, men dressing like women, or other deviant behavior performed by consenting adults in the privacy of their own households. But when the liberal media, social justice warriors, and Hollywood elites shove the “right” to gay marriage, the crucifying of people for their religious beliefs, the “courage” of a man pretending to be a woman, and the glorification of abhorrent behavior, down the throats of Americans trying to mind their own business, an unforeseen backlash is inevitable.

The war on the traditional family unit, white males, societal norms, common decency, and community standards has gone too far and the pushback from common decent middle class folks has begun. It is a proven fact that households with married parents are on average wealthier, raise kids who do better in school, can withstand economic setbacks better, and have been the backbone of this country since its inception. The feminist belief that women can raise children without men has proven to be a disaster.

With the percentage of married households plunging from over 70% in 1970 to under 50% today, an ominous tipping point has been reached. Rather than address this truly disastrous problem, the radical feminists and race baiters carry on their culture wars. The social justice warriors, prodded by the liberal media and agenda driven ideologues, are offended by free speech, white people, men, married couples, religious freedom, having to repay loans, gun owners, capitalism, carbon dioxide, meat, yoga and anyone who dares to disagree with their antagonistic, bombastic, vacuous nonsense.

Shockingly, they aren’t offended by the tattooed, pierced freaks roaming the streets, angry because no one will hire them. They aren’t offended by the millions of willfully ignorant, low class army of lazy Obama voters who feel entitled to free housing, free medical care, free food, free phones, and free education at the expense of the working middle class. They aren’t offended by the 70% of black babies born out of wedlock and black men shirking their responsibilities as fathers. They aren’t offended by the rampant criminality and murder rates in the Democrat controlled urban ghettos, created by the welfare policies implemented over the last 50 years.

They aren’t offended by 93% of black murders being committed by blacks. They aren’t offended by a president droning wedding parties and bombing hospitals, while fighting undeclared wars in foreign lands. They aren’t offended by the widespread Medicare, SSDI, and food stamp fraud, costing taxpayers billions per year. Normal people living normal lives are sick and tired of the hypocritical, hollow horseshit rubbed in their faces by a dying legacy media and agenda driven social networks on a daily basis. The foolishness and lunacy of these feckless feeble minded warriors against normalcy will be exposed when confronted by the harsh reality of a Fourth Turning.

The rise of Donald Trump and Ben Carson in the early polls for Republican presidential candidate is being fueled by a rising anger and discontent with the corporate media promoting offensive social agendas, the flaunting of the Constitution by a president ruling by executive order, a GOP establishment corrupted by power and unanswerable to their constituents, the disinterest of politicians in both parties in securing our porous southern borders from foreign invasion by illegal hordes. Now the repercussions of Obama ignoring the threats of Islamic extremism and allowing tens of thousands of undocumented Syrian refugees to flood into the country immediately overwhelming our insolvent welfare system and refusing to assimilate into our culture as they worship at mosques where they are taught to hate everything about American culture, is further fueling a political backlash.

As Aldous Huxley realized six decades ago, the truth is unimportant to those controlling the “free” press and shallow distractions will keep the masses occupied while the controllers achieve their goals.

“In regard to propaganda the early advocates of universal literacy and a free press envisaged only two possibilities: the propaganda might be true, or it might be false. They did not foresee what in fact has happened, above all in our Western capitalist democracies — the development of a vast mass communications industry, concerned in the main neither with the true nor the false, but with the unreal, the more or less totally irrelevant. In a word, they failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.” Aldous Huxley, 1958, in the article The Capitalist Free Press

The media will use their standard propaganda techniques of showing crying women and children to tug at the heartstrings of a naïve, unaware populace to allow refugees from a conflict created by the U.S. in Syria to come into our country. You know the tired rhetoric – give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. But this is a Fourth Turning where the harsh reality crashes headlong into rhetoric, memes, and storylines.

Whether the U.S. government is responsible or not for creating the wave of Islamic radicals practicing their warped religious beliefs across the globe by committing murder against innocent people, the fact remains that only Muslims are waging this war against non-believers. There are no Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Jews, Buddhists, or atheists spreading their religious beliefs by committing acts of terror or waging war. A religious war is brewing and the consequences will be far reaching and bloody for those practicing Islam. There may be only a small minority of radical jihadists, but the silence of the majority speaks volumes to non-Muslims around the world.

As this Fourth Turning continues to intensify, the bowing down to political correctness and agendas of social justice warrior bigots by traditional minded Americans is going to stop. The pushback may be violent, as the aggressive tactics of these free speech hating fascists is met with armed confrontation they aren’t anticipating. These “warriors” aren’t exactly the Hero generation who did the heavy lifting during the last Fourth Turning. Privileged, entitled, ignorant millennials bullying weak kneed college professors and milquetoast administrators on the campuses of liberal arts colleges isn’t exactly storming the beaches of Normandy or battling through the jungles on Guadalcanal.

When confronted with Americans who have seen their standard of living falling for the last twenty five years and are sick and tired of hearing drivel about white privilege, black lives matter, safe spaces, gay and transgender “rights”, micro-aggressions, rape culture, misogyny, $15 minimum wage, and a myriad of other offenses against feminism, these easily offended “warriors” will piss their pants. These trivialities will seem so quaint when they are confronted with an angry guy with a gun on the streets or when they are told to report for duty as we wage war with Russia and China. The foolishness of the culture wars will become strikingly apparent when economic collapse and life or death choices confront our special snowflake generation.

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DavidPierre's picture

Why do you keep puking up the same bullshit over and over again?   Have you not read any other book, in the last two decades? 
The 4th Turding written by Stress&How is a horrid intellectual mess, a narrow and biased ameri-centric mix, consisting of one part historical riffing, one part astrology, and one part flimsy correlation of questionable data patterns.  This latest rehashed effort of yours is little more than your condescending attempt at palm reading.
A few predictions might be true but ultimately the suggestions from the book as to how to deal with the looming catastrophe has citizens all being good little docile unquestioning morons.
It's sad that people like you take this  supposed academic tripe so seriously!
Stress&How's writing is incoherent.  A good theory can be stated clearly and easily followed in a logical way.  Cycles in history, like the seasons, do have some consistency.  But to assemble the writings in a potpourri and present it as credible is beyond comprehension.
The 4th Turding has a lot of words... ( many of them made up )... so you call it a book... not even  mentioning the absolutely atrocious and arrogant writing of the authors. 
You are a  "D" student in that "F" Class! 
This is just another lesson from your, SPECIAL CLASS 101, attended by 4th Turding Retards and 9/11Morons.  Stress&How's book is only good for intellectual shits and giggles... not much else.
Quinn, why do you not play with other Nostradamic prophecies that have those same social ramifications listed?  A few of them are bound to be right no matter what happens.
This is a kooky, neurotic theory of predictable future that strongly rings of some of the economic cycle prediction wonks of the 1970s.  Millions of people have made prophecies...almost all of them have come out to be wrong.  Definitely a very flaky, new-agey undercurrent to this whole thing.  There are many other prophecies in the book that turn out dead wrong. 
Try Tarot cards next time ...after all, out of the whole pack, there are bound to be a few cards that accurately correspond.
Neil Howe is as dense as you about the reality of 9/11.
Just what the hell is all this meaningless verbage supposed to do for the  3000 people murdered by ameriklan zioNazis on 9/11?
Wake the fuck up!
The ZioNazis declared war on all free people of the world and the REAL TURNING is dated from Sept. 11, 2001!
9/11 was the opening salvo of WWIII!
You're 9/11MORON ... and a Traitor not only to truth and your nation but to yourself and your family.
Quinn, just another miserable FAIL for you.

 9/11 is your Litmus Test !

ps. (You'll just have to repeat 9/11 Special Class again next year.)

-.-'s picture

September eleventh was allowed to happen; it was facilitated. To incriminate those greatly involved I might suggest by starting now with putting forth energy towards staying abreast and open about how policy from September eleventh has allowed the landscape that is hitherto. Expose those whom have benefitted since that day; reveal those whom have since hidden from that day. But, please do not let your good energy steam towards the past in such a way. 


As Huxley says: Here & Now, Boys. Here & Now.


PS: If we do not take the past accordingly, we will, in the end, be assholes wasting energy, like assholes.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

There may be some truth in generational cycles, but trying to predict them is rather like trying to predict stawks.

But I highly doubt the end of the next crisis looks like 1945, where everyone roots for the same team and is a perfect cog in the machine.

wee-weed up's picture



"Social & Cultural Distress Dividing The Nation"

Uh... no one or nothing has done more to divide this Nation...

More than our unimpeachable dictator, El Presidente Obozo. Period!

WillyGroper's picture

Quinn is blind, deaf & FOS.

Should be mute.

rejected's picture

Not giving Obama a free pass but,,, he is not responsible for all of this. There's the Bush's, the Clinton's, Nixon, and especially Johnson who started the whole shebang.

Actually going back to the beginning of the 20th Century (especially Wilson) with the exception of two,,, maybe three.

I agree Obama is by far the worse but each one of his predecessors pushed the envelope as far as they could.

The next will be far worse if this trend continues.

CC Lemon's picture

I don't think this trend CAN'T not continue. Societies are like people. Grow up, get strong, make your mark, get old and die.

It's time to get right with Jesus.

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Anonymous User (not verified) CC Lemon Nov 29, 2015 6:26 AM

Don't try to scare the US sheeple. 

Let them enjoy their multiculturalstatism while it lasts.


OregonGrown's picture

Oh, Fuck It.... Legal marijuana for EVERYONE!

monk27's picture

Sure. Pot only destroys your brain. So if you don't have any, it's harmless...

MSimon's picture

Alcohol destroys brain cells. Cannabis grows them. If you don't know that then you have been co-opted.


The police state depends on Prohibition for its overt rationale. Don't be a useful idiot.

algol_dog's picture

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.

Ayn Rand -

The Merovingian's picture

Indeed. That juicy little tidbit of fact flew by the public's collective consciousness 50 years ago when cars still had rear fins and TV was just beginning it's rapture with the masses. The devices we all carry and the apps they all run allow us to be corralled without effort into the biggest shooting gallery ever constructed by the ruling Oligarchs. We ain't getting out of this pen without some blood being shed, and it ain't gonna be an insignificant amount either. Thankfully most of the insipid, lazy, vapid, inked and carved up FSA masses are sinfully sloth-like and perfect for use as human shields when that time comes. I mourn only that my pity and humanity have taken the brunt of this merciless, never-ending onslaught to our sensibilities while blue ribbons are passed out to all the kiddies and entitlements to their parents. Fuck them all if they are too stupid to see the storm that has arisen all around us, and for not building and seeking proper shelter from it ... the defense of which will prove upon looking back 100 years hence to be the time of the greatest culling of human lives since the dark ages and the plague. Hedge accordingly.

Fuck, now I need a Jameson and a pint of Guinness. Good night and good luck to all you ZHers who have listened, watched and prepared yourselves. I love this site.

Rubicon727's picture

It's not so much "the government" that bears the most blame - it's corporations who *own* every facet of the government and the corporate media that distracts and lies to the American people. Yes, most Americans are to be blamed for their sheeple conformity; in their total lack of facing the reality of what the US has become. 

acetinker's picture

Agreed.  Quinn keeps recycling stuff we already know.  Then again, so does Gerald Celente- Doesn't make it not true, but it's still tiresome.

The reason this shit-show continues is because the great mass of people believe in the shit-show.  They petition the masters of the shit-show.  Some even beg forgiveness.

Quinn's a beggar, as are Strauss and Howe.

Its's gonna be what it's gonna be- and we'll wince as their bones crunch beneath our wheels.

Sad.  He coulda been a contender.  It was his own choice.

cornflakesdisease's picture


By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd." J P Morgan 1913

acetinker's picture

Thank you, my point, exactly!

Jim can't quite get is head around the evil that is international jewry.

There's still hope- we ain't dead yet!

surf0766's picture

5 years and you jst started posting. You have anger issues. Seek help

mvsjcl's picture

DavidPierre is a long-time poster. He's vociferous in his objection to Quinn's 9/11 Denial. As am I, by the way.

FreeNewEnergy's picture

DavidPierre is Jim Willie.

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justdues's picture

Whatever you may think about Jim Willie at least he is not so completely retarded to be in denial of 9/11, the biggest mind control scam and mis-directed crime scene in history.


psychobilly's picture

"Whatever you may think about Jim Willie at least he is not so completely retarded to be in denial of 9/11, the biggest mind control scam and mis-directed crime scene in history."

In history? Bigger than The Constitution swindle?  The myriad of lies that underpin America's great holy wars (e.g., Lincoln's "Civil War", WW I, WW II)?  The Federal Reserve?  I don't think so.

9/11 was a massive con and mind fuck with far reaching, terrible consequences, but gain some historical perspective.

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Not sure who David Pierre is but David is connected to, perhaps is, the link below.


My advice to you? When David Pierre swings, you get out of the way.



Consider yourself warned.


malek's picture

Don't worry, David Pierre is a moron who got pissed off on Jim Quinn's website many moons ago and since then is waging his private war against him.
His posts are not about The Fourth Turning or reasonably discussing any of Jim's opinions (outside 9/11), but pure bile.

David Pierre is a very narrow thinker (already visible by touting The Fourth Turning to be a horrid intellectual mess - I doubt he has ever read it)
and only recently has widened his public stance in his posts to not look like a complete idiot already at first look.

And his favorite word is litmus (Why do you keep puking up the same bullshit over and over again, I might echo)

DavidPierre's picture

If you like astrology, get The 4th Turding.

The book is a lame potpourri of random facts, scholarly borrowings and unsubstantiated claims poorly written, jumping all over the place, from pillar to post.  Stress&How cite numerous types of questionable cycles, but most of which are not relevant to their thesis. They also cite dozens of parallel claims by other reputable historical scholars, but use only the "money quotes" without any real substantive analysis.

While the authors present a novel idea, and there are clearly repetitions in historical periods, this pre-packaged form of history troubles on several levels.

First, their cited events rely on a mythological understand of history, with many important facts and events conveniently forgotten.

Second, this form of simplified history rejects a careful and nuanced understanding of complicated world events.

Third, it pretends that we can actually understand and predict history by essentially reading charts - a claim of cult leaders and hedge fund managers.

Finally, their approach is set forth as universal, but the book is devoid of international examples. If China has retained civil society for thousands of years, why isn't this cycle more obvious there?

The authors have an obvious right-wing almost fascist agenda. The preparations urged onto their readers for the coming crises are typical of John Birch evangelism.

You can just see the Stress&How sitting next to John Forbes Nash, Jr. ("A Beautiful Mind') in a garage pinning random Life Magazine articles to the wall and drawing lines through seemingly random events to construct an alternate universe.

If you are looking for a bunch of rhetoric of the conservative, "bring back tradition!" bullshit this is what you will get.

This is just another Nostradamus prophecy type book.  It may have predicted a few of the many social ramifications listed.  But then again so what?

malek's picture

You once again have not mentioned a single specific line of thought in Howe&Strauss' book.
I see mostly dumbed down generalizations.

Let's go deeper on one a little more specific example you brought up:

What part of the preparations urged onto their readers are almost fascist?

Please point to statements in the book (page numbers appreciated.)

Womb Service's picture

I've interacted with "David Pierre" in real life. He's a decent guy. Quinn's position on 911 is ludicrous, which makes him highly suspect.

Spiritof42's picture
Spiritof42 (not verified) DavidPierre Nov 28, 2015 7:58 PM

That explains why it couldn't hold my attentioon. I love to read. But my frustration with so many writers are the endless trivial details that show no respect for my time.

HardAssets's picture

ADHD or lack of speed reading skills ?

Spiritof42's picture
Spiritof42 (not verified) HardAssets Nov 29, 2015 8:18 AM

I could get what I wanted out of it by skipping and skimming. The jargon is a turnoff

I can still recommend the book, but I found "'The Great Wave" by David Hackett Fishcher to be more informative. Fishcher explains how climate change affects psychology, prices and historical cycles. Strauss & Howe limit themselves to psychological changes with is a shortcoming of conventional historians.

Spiritof42's picture
Spiritof42 (not verified) Dick Buttkiss Nov 29, 2015 11:47 AM

Excellent graph on Co2 and temperature drop.

Dick Buttkiss's picture

The chart shows no correlation between atmospheric CO2 and global temperatures, only occasional coincidences.  

Far more important, however, is the fact that plants die at atmospheric CO2 levels below 150 ppm. So whatever the reason for the rise from around 250 ppm at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution to over 400 ppm today, we should be very thankful for it, all the more so if former Greenpeace head Patrick Moore is right in claiming that the rise is primarily due to the burning of fossil fuels: 

-.-'s picture

Poor communication is ruining the Homo sapiens.

Demdere's picture

I agree 100%, 9/11 is the most important thing to understand, it is the basis for politics in the US and the world.

People are going to be hung for 9/11, it is going to be an upset of the political structure like none ever before.

Intelligence professionals say judge capabilities, not intent.  Either way, NSA and the deep state should scare all of us silly.  Those bastards are the danger to ccitizens of the US, not any Muslim.

DavidPierre's picture

9/11 means that all sectors of the American government are controlled by criminals and traitors.

Treason is colluding with foreign powers and domestic enemies against the nation.

9/11 certainly meets that definition.



Dancing Disraeli's picture

While jews are by far the greatest danger, they also weoponize  Muslims and blacks against us.

rejected's picture

Don't know about the Jews,,, but governments do this for sure when they go to the dark side (as the USA has) as it's a way of temporary control until they think they are omnipotent and undefeatable.

willwork4food's picture

It always fascinates me when someone I'm talking to says 911 doesn't matter anymore.


Spiritof42's picture
Spiritof42 (not verified) Dancing Disraeli Nov 29, 2015 12:06 PM

I'll tell you why Jew bashing turns me off. First of all, they don't have a monopoly on evil. To blame Jews or any other ethnicity or religion is an implicit confession to the stupidity of the masses. I submit that we have evil because we have mass stupidity.

Two people I know in my personal life actually pissed their money away on some book Cheney wrote. They came away believing he is a good man. Nothing I could say would convince them he's a psycho. Within two minutes, I could see there was no point pursing my argument. I meet people like this all the time.

I've come to the the conclusion that the vast majority of adults have the emotional maturity of teenagers. High IQ does not contribute towards rationality. 

ToSoft4Truth's picture

‘People are going to be hung’

What?   Bwahahahaha…. 

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) ToSoft4Truth Nov 29, 2015 10:24 AM

Europe further down the crazy hole.

They will allow Europe to be destroyed with mass immigration in order to not be racist.

LooseLee's picture

Hung or deboweled. Doesn't much matter, does it? The punishment will fit the crime. Best wish you're not on the list, ToSoft4Truth.

michigan independant's picture

And the end of his life was most brilliant: for when the Athenians had a war against their neighbours in Eleusis, coming to the rescue and making a rout of the enemy he died most beautifully, and the Athenians had buried him publicly right where he fell, and honoured him greatly.

SillySalesmanQuestion's picture

"The foolishness of the culture wars will become strikingly apparent when economic collapse and life or death choices confront our special snowflake generation."

This is what will truly be, the only satisfying moment, of this very sad story...

ebworthen's picture

Hank Paulson should be the first to be hung, then Bernanke & Geithner next, then:  Dimon, then Blankfein, then Kashn'carry, then every CONgress critter that voted to bail out the banks/corporations/insurers, then as the coup de grace - Jon Fucking Corzine!

XitSam's picture

It doesn't end with Corzine. You forgot the CFTC and so many 3/4 letter agencies it staggers belief. Corzine is the end of the beginning.