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With the global climate talks in Paris set to begin this week, perhaps the 'real threat' will re-emerge...
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Will the AGW psychopaths backpedal and claim "what we did worked!" when the global climate starts cooling over the next few decades?
The Maunder Minimum and associated phenomenon we're currently heading for will have people begging for global warming if it comes to pass.
Not a chance. Narcissism always burrows deeper into its delusions when confronted. In spite of the sun, gamma rays, errors and manipulation of data, facts matter not. All is a function of climate change because it cannot be proven while governments support the fantasy with their bureaucracies, fiat monies and police powers.
During the last "great" Maunder Minimum, Londoners (Those not freezing to death) enjoyed skating on a frozen Thames
Yet it wil be interesting to see how that goes down. This past winter will seem mild in comparison.
The eurocunts from the climate summit should better prepare their umbrellas.
With all the migrants lately, some strong golden showers coming in from the East.
http://goo.gl/QC3VhN
This guy said it best, in terms that would comprise not only "Climate Change" but so much else that warps reality on behalf of the ruling elites:
http://i2.wp.com/www.truthofgujarat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Hitle...
"Not a chance. Narcissism always burrows deeper into its delusions when confronted. In spite of the sun, gamma rays, errors and manipulation of data, facts matter not. All is a function of climate change because it cannot be proven while governments support the fantasy with their bureaucracies, fiat monies and police powers.
During the last "great" Maunder Minimum, Londoners (Those not freezing to death) enjoyed skating on a frozen Thames"
Your poetic statement combined with the cartoon is such a wonderful work of art. I don't normally log in. But when I do, it's for things like this.
Choose your diagnoses carefully...
In places of influence and control, more accurately it is sociopaths and narcissists connected when-and-by convenience, and they have "AGW" on their Joke and Opportunity lists.
In places of rank and file sycophancy and enabling, providing fuel and fodder for the above, if they understood the opportunism/pathology of the controllers... the "science" would be, as a natural course of things, investigated and exposed.
So then, there is a twisted pathology of both controllers and enablers in play...
Which one wins, always, unless and until a greater understanding of the pathology (dynamics) reaches a critical mass?
Whichever generates the most tax money and controls the most people will win out.....
Well, no, it won't work that way...
If the principles are not protected, via a critical mass of de facto understanding of the pathology of control, nobody will win.
But ZH has become a bastion for self-defeatism, so I understand your comment.
It's probably a reflection on the powerlessness that people feel.
Climate change or no climate change, my take is that when you burn stuff, it uses oxygen. If you keep using more oxygen (and turn it into CO2) than nature re-generates you could end up with an oxygen deficiency. Air pockets in the pryramids had a higher oxygen content than our air today, and the old book from 1897 also lists a higher oxygen content than the book of 1970. But who cares, on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero.
Your argument fails because plants use that CO2 to produce oxygen. Consider reading Nick Lane's Oxygen: The Molecule that Made the World. Commenting from a position of knowledge is far more fun than commenting from the position of ignorance.
You think we have more or fewer jungles and forests now?
Yeesh.
CO2 emissions are a concern when the creatuon/conversion into O2 is hindered, and it has been hindered by massive destruction of trees and increase in population and pollution.
The problem is the entire climate change debate has become absurd and off pragmatic point - cutting down the shit that nakes the oxygen with shit that pollutes and creates co2 is a problem in the ong run, no matter whether temps go up or down.
A recent study done by 38 scientists has found there are 3.04 TRILLION trees on the planet. Before this study it was estimated there were only 400 BILLION. Google it. If these guys can't get their past figures right how do we know they aren't full of crap when they claim the planet at one time contained 46% more trees. One thing about enviros they are never wrong even when they are. There are few trees in the desert itself yet when humans moved there they planted trees. Las Vegas and Phoenix, among many of the cities out west, are chock full of trees where there would be none without humans. But we don't mention those because it would spoil the fiction that humans are destroying the planet and never do anything to help it.
Not just tree's but also grass, shrubs and...wait for it...wait...for...it...phytoplankton.
I have always found it amazing that the people who are going to "Save The Fucking Planet" don't even know how it works.
Shirley iF wE pLaCe OuRsElVeS iN tHE hAnDs Of Hi SkOoL dRoPoUtS wE'Ll Be SaLvEd!!!...lmao!
Sigh.
Industrial Revolution era, if you think there are more trees, plankton etc now than then... christ I mean, what other crazy undounded shit would you believe? That radioactivity from cesium isotopes us vital for a healthy thyoid, maybe? Pollution is good for human life??
Nmewn continues to think slower than he reads. Everyone not for unfettered clear cutting no matter their scuence pedigree us a 'socialist'... Fuckin' mook.
Ray K Hessel
While you are claiming a "science" basis. Think this through. Younger trees consume more CO2 than older trees, especially in their no-growth, dying stage. Ergo, harvesting older decadent forests and replanting with new-growth, consumes more CO2 and releases more O2.
Everything built out of wood is effectively a carbon sink, storing carbon instead of letting it decay back into the atmsophere.
I am not saying that "climate change" isn't worth considering, but looking at history and prehistory, tells me this earth has no stable climate adjustable to a political thermostat.
And if the earth is warmer crowd really gave a damn, aside from political power, they would boycott Chinese imports. China- the country with ZERO pollution controls, but aided and abetted by Europe and the U.S. by importing Chinese stuff. Everything you buy "made in China" defeats any climate change morality argument.
And truth is not a majority vote or the earth would still be flat.
"Nmewn continues to think slower than he reads."
Ummm, CO2 is not "pollution" you fucking moron.
When you exhale you expel CO2, maybe you should just hold your breath. You need to do your part, you know.
I am more perplexed than defeated. If global warming is legit, let's drop the money making scheme aspects and save the fucking planet. crickets......
"If global warming is legit, let's drop the money making scheme aspects and save the fucking planet."
OK, good plan; that'll do it.
Apparently my simple point has gone over your head; and that was the point.
Stay tuned for Control.
All out of ignorance, of the perfectly wrong kind.
coal seam fires have been burning globally for over 30 years, venting untold amounts of noxious gasses. 1 ocean transport ship burning bunker fuel, pullutes more than tens of thousands of cars per year. why isn't anyone trying to address these outsized problems?
What I don't get is that plants love carbondioxide, why aren't plants growing more insanely prolific? Just my two crazy cents.
They are.
http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Ancient-redwoods-in-growth-spurt-o...
It's not just that: there are studies that show how a further increase of atmospheric CO2 levels will contribute to a dramatic reversal of the desertification process on a planetary scale.
The so-called environmentalists are not just useful idiots, they're fuckin' stupid useful idiots...
Ya and it must be because it's warmer, not because the CO2 level is slightly higher. Fuck these people will obscure everything to make their point. Do you know how fucking easy it is to design an experiment to measure the effect of CO2 on plant growth and then RELEASE IT IN THE GLOBAL MEDIA. Crickets................
Had an old professor at University who said never believe experimental results when a scientist has a financial interest in the final results.
The problem is that BAU (and corporate profits) is wrapped up in people not making any life style changes. Given the quarterly objectivism of corporations -- coupled with their control of media and governance -- BAU becomes the way forward. The debate over climate change is over, people get it now. But people are also lazy and greedy, and the corporations are only too happy to encourage us to delay. So nothing happens.
The weather effects we are seeing now are due to CO2 emissions from the 1970's. It takes 40 years for the CO2 "blanket" to saturate. But we have of course been busy since then; CHina came on in 2000, for one. India acquired a middle-class. World population doubled. We have a lot more impact already on the way because of what all happened since the 70's. It will be showing up every year now, bigger and badder and worse all the time. People will lose their shit at some point and go cold-turkey off fossil fuels, but it will be too late. We'll have another 40 years of increased impacts regardless, 40 years until our deciding to drop BAU will even show up in the climate record.
Can't worry about it I guess. Whatever is coming, is coming.
The debate is far from over. Compared to governments any money the fossil companies spend "denying" climate change is a drop in the bucket. Most of that "money" is just the figment of wackies imaginations and outright lies, they can't prove it but they know, as they need a boogie man to advance the religion of climate change. If you had done your homework you would know the weather is not turning for the worse. Disasters are always happening as climate is always chaotic. Look at all the lies for the recent hurricane Patricia being one of the strongest storms ever yet in reality a pussycat. They are now doing it with Hurricane Sandra. As far as people getting it in surveys when 20 things of importance like war, the economy, education, and such are presented to people climate change comes in dead last.
"It will be showing up every year now, bigger and badder and worse all the time. People will lose their shit at some point and..."
Boring Prophet: ...there shall, in that time, be *rumors* of things going astray, errrm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi - with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock. Yea, it is written in the book of Cyril that...
Sweetcheeks, where the fuck did you get 'It takes 40 years for the CO2 "blanket" to saturate'?
Wow, you are utterly delusional.
CO2 blanket... that's so ridiculous it's almost funny.
Rich people have families they care about too. If they really believed in man made climate change and the world is at a tipping point, as according to the enviros, they would never go in for money making scams and would put up their own cash to fight it. Ain't happening. They're sucking more money, energy, and resources than ever. If, as Al Gore and his ilk claim, the science is settled why are we spending billions every year to study the "settled" science"? We would be taking that money and more and put it to work in a crash program to develop new sources of energy. Ain't happening. The IPCC that every wack likes to quote has confabs all around the world, usually in expensive exotic places, many times a year and thousands fly in to meet, greet, eat, and drink, and make plans for the next exotic local. Looks like they don't believe in climate change either. If they don't neither should we when these clowns could be video conferencing instead of burning jet fuel.
ISIS will attack here when Langley tells them to do so. Not a moment before.
Threat? Sure they are.
Here's an idea: How about we bring about 5k ISIS 'fighters' over. Give them a couple camps in say West Virgina, Minnesota, Georgia, or Idaho. We give them some AKs and stuff (to make it fair).
Then, we put a $1000 bounty on ISIS heads. I know in my state of NC, there are shitloads of unemployed white guys, many who like to hunt and who own accurate scoped weapons, in addition to other stuff.
With the ongoing depression, I can't think of a better 'stimulus progrom' than that.
It will prove to be so successufl that other state will be clamoring for their own ISIS camps and bounty systems.
The first state to set up one, will be like North Dakota during the crazy shale boom.
It will be like printing money.
The Euros may even take up the idea once they see it working.
Eventually we will hit Peak ISIS and revenues of heads returned on bullets invested (HROBI) will decline to the point that we will stop importing ISIS and start possibly producing our own terrorists or declare DC as the new granddaddy ISIS camp with bigger bounties.
The threat is fear itself.....
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Sad but true. But not surprising.
http://canadafreepress.com/article/77049
The USSA need not apply.
Idiocracy rules again.
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.
Bernays and those influenced by his thinking believe that man is a savage beast, that the veneer of civilisation hides his base nature, that at any point we are mere heartbeats from chaos, and that the only logical response is to control the populace to prevent calamity.
Sadly, watching youtube videos of Black Friday makes it hard to argue this point. As a humanist it's a bitter pill to swallow, though I will continue to foolishly hope that there is a better answer.
Jung recognized the signifigance of consciousness and the higher nature of human existance which caused him to break with Freud.
46+2
This will really make people mad on how much they have been hoodwinked!
http://iceagenow.info/2015/11/todays-sea-level-rise-is-below-normal/
Yes...rising non-stop for 10,000 years so far.
The author Robert Felix's two books on the coming ice age are the best I've read on the subject.
It's an accepted fact that earth's magnetic poles are reversing and the movement is accelerating. As the poles shift, earth loses the magnetic shield around it. It's a time when volcanic and earthquake activity increases. Nobody knows how many volcanoes there are in the ocean, but its enough to warm the ocean. A warming ocean releases CO2 and increases evaporation - more precipitation, snow or rain depending on local climate. Ocean levels drop as glaciers increase.
Earth is still in an ice age, with the past 12,000 years a short increase in solar activity. Solar activity is decreasing again.
As one might guess, government statistics are being messaged to give the appearance of global warming.
Correct. The earth is currently in 'ice house' status although for most of the past 100 million years it has been 'hot house' with no ice at the poles. I understand bought and paid for scientists shilling for the gubmint but when the average peasant starts singing the tune they are too dumb for human society.
As the magnetic field weakens more cosmic rays enter our atmosphere. Henrik Svensmark and many other scientists have proven that cosmic rays cause clouds to form. More cosmic rays more clouds. It was also proven by the scientists at CERN but they were ordered to downplay it when they announced it as it throws a wrench into the climate change arenda. More clouds means more sunlight reflected back into space thus cooling. For all the settled science few if any climate models take into account clouds. A perfect example that the science is not settled. Quite a few scientists have been told that since the science is settled they no longer need any more funding to study it. Every time their answer is "their is a lot we still don't know". So much for settled science.
C'mon, the Dims need that cash to build the next big layer of .gov environmental control lard.
"Zakat's" and the USSA`Zakat Foundation' founded in ?2001?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zakat_Foundation
"Why Muslim Charities Fund the Jihad" from Chicago with love? Note date: 8/15/09 *2pgs.
https://pjmedia.com/blog/why-muslim-charities-fund-the-jihad/
Cartoon gets my hopes up.
"Another micro-aggression against the GBLT people".
Yes!
Tilting at Windmills and trying to hold back the ocean tides. Meanwhile we are probably in the early rounds of WW3. The situation is crying out for leadership. We are fing doomed.
Nuclear Winters help prevent Global Warming......
Wackoism. The threat to the West from ISIS is negligible. THey kill a bunch of Syrians, and the tiny number of us. NO biggie, especially since they will be dead soon.
ON the other hand, climate change is grave threat to our long term food supply and ecology.
It's too bad that there are so many butt headds who can't comprehend this simple fact. Yet the are so sure that they are superior to "niggers". Well bad news you dumb fucks - Obama is far more capable of dealing with complicated technical issues than you are.
Fuck off troll. Come back when you use 3000 yrs of climate data instead of 100.
Steve Hughes on terrorism and climate change:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nea-MpVgRL0
Nice try Reggie Love. We are Superior to Kneegrows, "Affirmative Action" says so. And after watching the "Peaceful Protests" in Ferguson and Baltimore, I would wager that the Kneegrow is more of a threat to our well-being than Global Warming.
Mutti, is this day 1 of your internship at the white house? Tell me - what "complicated technical issues" has Obama resolved?
Ovomit finally figured how to pry Oboehner's nose out of his anus, and insert Paul Ryan's nose without causing even a minor kerfluffle in the media. A technical feat of significant proportions.
Do you really think your statement has any real effect on people who always preface everything they say or do with "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero"?
lmao
FUCK OFF TERRORIST LOVING PIG!!!
MDB
Is yomutti a relative ?
Let's see "climate change" once was "the earth is warming. There always has been and always will be climate change. Great, amorphous code for climate change is whatever we want it to be.
"the majority of scientists' blah, blah, blah. Really means the majority of scientists toe the line and know where there grants come from- politicians. Truth in science is a lonely place-black holes were laughed at, by the majority of scientists, when predicted. And they were finally observed generations later.
As for Obama- he inherited a clusterfuck, and he will leave with a clusterfuck- technically competent or not.
It's great that the Paris attacks allowed them to massively ramp up security wth no protests just in time for the climate conference.
Funny how that works.
It would be only ironic justus if the conference was assaulted by Kalashnikov-wielding goat humpers!
mijev
Yeah, that was some planning...I wonder who hired the band.
Prime Minister Justin 'the Drama teacher' Trudeau can't wait to sign his name to the Climate Change agreement. He is excited like a little boy that gets a new puppy for Christmas. While I despise Liberals it is nice to see Harper out of Ottawa forever even if we had to bring the Liberal thieves n' bagmen back to get rid of him. Trudeau will be good for a few laughs down the path to WW3 IMHO.
Trudeau is just Canada's version of hope and change.
Prepare to be disappointed, what he says won't translate to reality.
Fortunately for the world Trudeau doesn't matter, one way or the other... Irrelevancy, your name is Canada!
Au contraire, mon ami.
With Sweden faltering in the role of Moral Superpower, the outcasts of the world must, more than ever, turn their eyes toward Justin, and the Great White North.
Trudeau isn't quite "white" enough .... he's a leftist .... hear no truth, see no truth and speak no truth ?
I have been a Mayoral candidate in the last two municipal elections so that I can counter the Liberal Stooges municipally, and provincially, on their hope n' change hokum. I follow their rhetoric every week, and I document their lies, thefts of public money, and crony neoliberal appointments, plus their constant boondoggles. Unfortunately, I never get past being labelled a 'fringe candidate' and score low in the polls.
Suffice to say that all liberals are on my waterboarding list, and all have priority seating on Extraordinary Rendition Airlines when SHTF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ScoFhgU6r4
I have a weather rock to tell me about the climate. It was cold this morning at 9 F, the sting was really stiff.
No worries. Many governments are charging taxes on carbon - based fuels like gasoline, so that must have stopped Global Warming. That's why I get a warm, fuzzy feeling every time I fill up my car with gas. Or is the heat I feel under my collar a sign of outrage?
Politicians of all stripes have found Global Warming/Climate Change/AGW to be a wonderful means to convince the idiot masses that there is a bogey-man that the politicians will protect them from - all they have to do is pay extra taxes for carbon and allow the polticians to allocate large sums of public money to "Green" and "Renewables". Millions of gullible "concerned citizens" and "activists" now provide great political cover for all sorts of ill-advised and economically ruinous schemes (and even environmentally ruinous schemes, like windmills that kill thousands of birds). Any time it is revealed that another hugely-subsidized "Green" energy project like Solyndra has gone bust, the "concerned citizens" can be counted on as apologists for the politicians that enabled the boondoggle.
"Green" is the new religion, and the true believers are impervious to any facts that contradict their faith, even if it is revealed that the high priests of their faith have been faking or manipulating the data to support their AGW theories. In the meantime, carbon-credit traders get rich, and the bureaucrats and politicians get to go on all-expense-paid junkets to climate conferences (via carbon-fueled airliners and limousines), where they get to pose for photo-ops and make speeches showing how concerned they are for the future of life on Earth and, hence, how morally worthy they are.
I think the current solar cycle and its lack of sunspots will soon reveal a mini-ice age is upon us, similar to those in the Middle Ages.
Now that is proven science: the earth's weather is highly dependent on the solar cycle. We know from historic observation a quiescent sun results in cooler temperatures.
Man can destroy the earth with nuclear weapons, but to assume Man can radically alter the climate goes against common sense.
The con artists of climate change make up two groups: the useful dupes and those who stand to profit.
One huge tell is the simple fact Algore set up a "carbon-credit" bank. Now, who stands to benefit from the new taxes? Algoremanbearpig and the investors of said bank.
Further, the idea that CO2 emissions are overly dangerous is absurd. If you are that worried about carbon dioxide, plant more trees. That will reduce CO2 and produce more oxygen.
Nope, the entire premise (and it is clever) is to create a need for a socialist re-distribution of wealth, not to the "third world," but to the banksters and politicians who created this illusion.
lakecity 55
Well said. Remember the Value-Added-Tax in Britain and Europe. It was all sexed up as the "efficient" tax, everyone pays a little bit, etc. In fact, we are hearing about it in our U.S. presidential election.
Boil it down. It has never replaced any other taxes. It is just another fucking tax on the public and it is paid ultimately as a sales tax.
"Climate change"- just another fucking tax. And the cronies will reap out-sized rewards from owning the carbon "rights to pollute" as issued by governments.
Theft in disguise.
The only threat in this world is the fucking USSA FEDERAL .gov. End them NOW!
Love Ramirez .... not crazy about his Obama head .... doesn't do Obama justice .... doesn't insinuate .... all the nuance .... of his evil stupidity ?
Climate change is the ultimate tax for everyone on the planet. A super mega fund for the government to manage. That has worked so well in the past. Even if it wasn't based on faulty (made up) numbers, the idea that your government can do something to help is laughable. The fact that this keeps coming up is absolute proof the bankers of the world propagandize everyone else. Unbelievable. The sky is falling, and you need to give me trillions so I can help you manage it is probably the greatest scam created ever.
Global wealth redistribution. From those who can to the spear chuckin' savages traversing the bush in Africa, Lat Am, and Asia. Ironic, b/c those same savages would greatly appreciate a few more degrees to optimize their tribal cultures. Hang in there, my brothers. Your Globally-funded 'Ejaculate Better Today' cards are on their way!!!
Last...
They want to tax you exhaling co2, soon they will be telling you O2 is a dangerous poison (it is to many things) and tax you for breathing in.
They are not going to stop until they get their precious Air Tax. Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING you say or facts you present will dissuade them from their ultimate prize of finally taxing everything in the world.
...including the air we breath.
I'll put 5 bucks on the Maunder Minimum Thoery being the correct answer since it hasn't warmed any since 1998. Well, unless you cherry-pick the data, which Nasa loves to do.
Goldman thinks there are big profits to be made with cap and trade if they position themselves as the market middleman so of course climate change is real, whether or not it is real, if the Sachs says its real......really.
obamacare was a tax....climate change is a tax. ANYTHING THE GOV DOES IS A TAX....money from you to the .1%
After 20 years of chemtrailing there must be some change but that's not co2 they're spraying so go fuck youself world government. Am I going to have to kick you in the balls before you quit this shit?
The cartoon republished in a previous Zero Hedge article, that I link below, is better than the cartoon in the aticle above!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-28/how-green-energy-really-works
How Green Energy Really Works
I REPEAT WHAT I POSTED THERE:
That cartoon was another correct illustration of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS, which has become the basis of the entire political economy, not just alternative green energy development. The established systems of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS are the result of the underlying situation that human beings and civilization live as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows. Thus, there is nothing but the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies. The biggest forms of organized crime are governments, which are controlled by the best organized gangsters, which are currently the banksters. Those are also the biggest and best organized terrorists too.
A CARTOON SHOWING SO-CALLED "ISIS" THROWING A BOMB SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED IN LIGHT OF THE NUMEROUS ARTICLES AND COMMENTS PUBLISHED ON ZERO HEDGE THAT DEMONSTRATED THE DEGREE TO WHICH ISIS WAS MADE AND MAINTAINED BY THE INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS, TO ADVANCE THEIR DEVIOUS GLOBALIZED AGENDA OF DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS.
Everything is dominated and directed by fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, NOT only the development of alternative green energy, and/or the globalized agendas to use every possible excuse to consolidate their global control over everything and everyone! The essential problems are that no systems of alternatives can be assembled and integrated without alternative death control systems as their central core, as the keystone to any such arch of alternatives, or the lynch pin to hold together any of the possible components of integrated alternatives.
At the present time, civilization is almost totally dominated by the best professional hypocrites, resulting in that civilization more and more becoming a Wonderland Matrix Bizarro World, where everything is presented to the public in absurdly backward ways to what actually exists. The degree to which almost everyone takes for granted thinking using the dominate natural languages, and the dominate philosophy of science, is difficult to fully comprehend! The essential problem is that the essential aspect of politics must be to operate the human murder systems, as the most extreme forms of the human death control systems, as the central core to the human artificial selection systems, which must necessarily exist due to natural selection pressures.
The existing artificial selection systems were driven by natural selection pressures to become most socially successful by becoming the most deceitful and treacherous. That was, indeed, consistent with the overall understanding of how natural selection pressures were internalized as human intelligence, and applied to create the artificial selection systems of civilizations, which evolved primarily due to the history of warfare, while that segued into the history of economics, where the powers of the surviving War Kings morphed to become the powers of the Fraud Kings.
Those Fraud Kings are the banksters that get to make the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts. Any alternative green energy systems, and anything else related to those, are only directed to develop INSIDE those systems where the banksters, as the best organized gangsters, are able to create the "credit," as the public "money" supply made out of nothing as debts, which is used to "invest" in the any alleged "alternative" economic activities. Actually, there are NO genuine alternatives, and none are possible unless there were alternative death control systems, to back up alternative debt control systems. Otherwise, everything that gets done is actually being done within the same overall systems based upon the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS, whereby the "profit" from previous frauds can be reinvested in more future frauds, as was illustrated in the cartoon that I linked above.
The currently established sociopolitical systems are NECESSARILY based upon governments being the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. Wall Street banksters' political puppets tend to get re-elected, so that about 99% of the politicians that run the government of the USA, and proportionately so all other NATO countries, tend to be treasonous. The social successes based upon POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS have becoming overwhelmingly dominate, and have pervasively permeated all sociopolitical institutions, of course, including the so-called "alternative green energy" sectors.
Since the entire political economy is based upon the social successfulness of governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks, that has resulted in almost everyone deliberately ignoring the principle of the conservation of energy as much as possible, while deliberately misunderstanding the concept of entropy in the most absurdly backward ways possible. Prodigious progress in physical science has enabled social pyramid systems to develop electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. However, the profound paradigm shifts in the basic ways that the ideas about time and space were changed by that progress in physical science (including the ways that the understanding of entropy ought to also have changed, since entropy is the distribution of energy through time and space), have NOT had anything remotely like that be developed in the various old-fashioned religions and ideologies that continue to dominate political affairs.
It is possible to reconcile human systems of artificial selection within natural selection. However, doing so requires that one take the principle of the conservation of energy much more seriously, as well as reverse the enormous errors that have occurred in the history of science, due to the series of compromises with the biggest bullies' bullshit world views, such as how the concept of entropy in thermodynamics and information theory was totally inverted by inserting arbitrary minus signs into their entropy equations. OUR PROBLEMS are the development of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, etc., while at the same time none of the ways of thinking that enabled that kind of progress in physical science has been allowed to develop through political science. Rather, all of the established sociopolitical systems are being operated by the best available professional hypocrites, promoting the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, rather than based upon using unitary mechanisms, through understanding human beings and civilization as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows.
Since our culture almost totally takes for granted thinking about entropy in absurdly backward ways, and does not come remotely close to changing the ways that we think about time and space, in order to respect the profound paradigm shifts that have already occurred regarding those in physical science, there are developing bigger and BIGGER sets of consistent contradictions due to the advancing globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs, etc., whose more and more intense paradoxes are the essence of the history of paper frauds, backed by the force of gunpowder weapons, becoming magnified by many orders of magnitude, which have effectively driven those systems to become runaway criminal insanities, due to their basic structure having always been based on organized crime having been amplified to astronomical sizes by progress in science and technology. The currently established civilization is based upon the ruling classes successfully being as dishonest about themselves and what they are actually doing as possible, while the vast majority of the people they ruled over adapted for generation after generation to believe in that kind of bullshit. Of course, that kind of bullshit is now more and more being extrapolated into every sort of environmental issue, including whatever sorts of "alternative green energy" may be possible.
While human beings and civilization are NOT actually able to violate the laws of nature, since the only connection between the laws of man and the laws of nature is the ability to back up lies with violence, our society has become as psychotic as it could possibly become, through the triumphant promotion of the biggest bullies' bullshit, that governments are somehow not the biggest gangsters, controlled by the best organized gangsters. Hence, the vast majority of citizens can not become more competent, because they have almost nothing but controlled opposition groups to turn to, which are surrounding the core organized crime groups.
The ONLY way that a more and more technologically based civilization MIGHT survive the prodigious progress in physical science enabling the development of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic weapons, would be for that civilization to go through series of profound paradigm shifts in the ways that it thinks about its political problems! To the degree that we collectively fail to do that, our civilization will continue to become even more psychotic, and continue towards committing collective suicide. The established debt slavery systems, developed through the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS, have become runaway debt insanities, which are threatening to provoke unprecedented levels of death insanities as the consequences in the foreseeable future.
Any more "money" created out of nothing as debts, in order to "pay" for developing alternative green energy technologies necessarily adds to the overall debt insanities which society is already drowning in. More and more, that kind of "money" was already being made out of nothing, in order to "pay" for strip-mining the planet's natural resources, which activities are running more and more into various limits of diminishing returns from being able to continue to exponentially increase the strip-mining of the natural resources of a finite planet, all of which was being "paid" for by "money" made out of nothing, as debts, through GOVERNMENTS ENFORCING FRAUDS BY PRIVATELY CONTROLLED BANKS, resulting in everything that such a political economy actually did being based upon and directed by fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems. The public "money" supplies became manifestations of the ways that MONEY IS MEASUREMENT BACKED BY MURDER, which became most socially successful by being the most fraudulent and deceitful. That entire civilization more and more is dominated by the best professional hypocrites. Of course, that includes the ways that so-called "alternative green energies" are developed WITHIN those already established systems based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS.
However, the only genuinely realistic resolutions to those real problems would require the development of better death control systems, to back up better debt control systems, so that the overall economic activities of civilization would not be still so dominated by fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems. Since human beings and civilization necessarily live as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows, we must continue to operate through the dynamic equilibria of different systems of organized lies operating robberies. However, we could and should correct the enormous errors regarding how we currently are thinking about ourselves doing those things.
At the present time, those dynamic equilibria have become extremely unbalanced, and are automatically getting more unbalanced, due to the degree to which the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals are able to continue to get away with pretending that they are not doing that, while most of the controlled opposition groups that surround that core of organized crime also promotes bogus "solutions" based upon the same old-fashioned impossible ideals, that always backfire badly and cause the opposite to happen in the real world, because they misunderstand their mechanisms in the most absurdly backward ways possible.
The world of politics today is mostly the banksters' political puppets, being voted for by enough of the masses of muppets, in order to keep the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS going and growing ... At the present time, the Wonderland Matrix Bizarro World's GREAT INSANITY continues getting worse, faster ... The ability of some human beings to understand and apply the laws of nature continues to advance in many particular ways, BUT, THAT IS NOT APPLIED THROUGH POLITICAL SCIENCE TO MORE SCIENTIFICALLY UNDERSTAND HUMAN BEINGS AND CIVILIZATION.
It is ALL TOO COMMON in the various kinds of content published on Zero Hedge for that to continue to be too superficial analysis to more deeply understand the relationships between human laws and natural laws. When that kind of superficial analysis stays on the relatively superficial layers regarding what the combined money/murder systems are doing, through governments enforcing frauds by privately controlled banks, then that analysis tends to be superficially correct. However, whenever the analysis SHOULD engage in the deeper layers of understanding environmental problems in more scientific ways, then the majority of Zero Hedge content tends to push cynicism through to the point of stupidity.
Of course, it is CORRECT that everything that civilization does is based upon thousands years of history whereby lies were backed up by violence, and therefore, understanding the issues regarding humans blamed for climate change becomes quite hyper-complicated! Not only is the basic subject of climate science extremely complicated, but also, one has to sift through the available information keeping in mind the ways that social pyramid systems are based upon being able to back up lies with violence, which includes any "science" as a social enterprise, relatively controlled by its funding.
OVER & OVER AGAIN, since human civilization was actually based upon being able to back up lies with violence, but that violence could not stop those lies from still being false, human civilization has been driven to become more and more psychotic, in the sense of more and more out of touch with relatively objective facts. The sociopolitical situations, that are based upon being able to ENFORCE FRAUDS, are becoming more and more hyper-complicated, although they boil down to what was illustrated in the cartoon I linked above, regarding how the leverage through POLITICAL FUNDING is the way that greater and greater manifestation of ENFORCED FRAUDS developed.
There is only one energy, and therefore, only one political system, namely the principles and methods of organized crime. The most important features of the current systems are that governments ENFORCE FRAUDS by privately controlled banks. There is NO "capitalism" nor any "free markets" within that context. Rather, the monetary system and national security have become the American, and mostly globalized, State Religions. Those are far worse State Religions than the ruling classes promoting "climate change" as another way to advance their global agenda.
What actually exists are combined money/murder systems, and those are the only things which can exist and which must exist. IT IS POLITICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY ALTERNATIVE GREEN ENERGY DEVELOPMENTS TO HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THOSE BASIC SOCIAL FACTS! Therefore, the contradictions between better scientific understanding of general energy systems continue to grow and GROW, due to the ways that human energy systems actually operate through being deliberately ignored and misunderstood as much as possible by as many people as possible, with the ruling classes especially working hard to make sure that the people they rule over continue to be like that too.
IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHAT IS GENUINELY VALID SCIENCE, INSIDE THE CONTEXT WHERE EVERYTHING THAT CIVILIZATION DOES OPERATES INSIDE SOCIAL PYRAMID SYSTEMS, DEVELOPED ON THE BASIS OF BEING ABLE TO BACK UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE, THAT BECAME MORE AND MORE SOPHISTICATED AND INTEGRATED SYSTEMS OF LEGALIZED LIES, BACKED BY LEGALIZED VIOLENCE, WHERE THE ONLY CONNECTION BETWEEN HUMAN LAWS AND NATURAL LAWS WAS THE ABILITY TO BACK UP THOSE VARIOUS LEGALIZED LIES WITH LEGALIZED VIOLENCE.
In my opinion, most of the content published in both the Zero Hedge articles, and comments, tends to be quite dismal when it comes to understanding the deeper levels regarding any environmental problems. Meanwhile, ironically, the cartoons republished here are often some of the best statements. Certainly, the cartoon I linked above was an excellent visual combat depiction of how POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS works through the domains of supposedly "alternative green energy."
I will REPEAT the essential point one more time, that the central issue in human ecology is necessarily the human death control systems, with the human murder systems as the most extreme forms of that. It is NOT possible to have any overall rational reconciliation of the political economy within the human ecology without recognizing that the supreme ideology is militarism, because that is the ideology of the murder system. Since the monetary systems developed through the history of murder systems, money is measurement backed by murder. Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have any more genuine scientific accounting of the relationships between human beings and the natural environment that does not focus first and foremost upon the human murder systems.
The intense paradoxes, which have driven the development of sets of consistent contradictions through the evolution of social pyramid systems, has been that their social success was based upon deceits and treacheries, which then morphed to become financial success based upon enforcing frauds, which developed to become the currently existing vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS, as the ways that all economic activities are dominated and directed, including, of course, the so-called "alternative green energy technologies."
While there is plenty of relatively valid SCIENCE, all of that operates within the context that the oldest and best developed social science and social engineering was warfare, whose social success was based upon deceits and treacheries, which was the source of all of the intense paradoxes and sets of consistent contradictions, such as the political economy being based on governments enforcing frauds by private controlled banks, due to the vicious spirals of the funding of the political processes becoming feedback loops which did that more and more ...
It would be theoretically possible to develop a more scientific society, however, that would have to surmount the deep dilemmas that throughout human history the most successful human murder systems were based upon deceits and treacheries, and hence, civilization today is almost totally dominated by various sorts of professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. OF COURSE, THAT MAKES ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE WAY MORE DIFFICULT TO SIFT THROUGH, AND FORM ANY BETTER OPINIONS ABOUT. (Especially including that any bogus "solutions" that are promoted by the mass media for the ruling classes are most likely to only be more examples of professional hypocrites actually making things worse, since impossible ideals always backfire badly, and make the opposite actually happen in the real world, since the real human world is actually based on the history of triumphant organized crime, getting away with publicly presenting itself in absurdly backward ways to what really existed!)
When it comes to basic environmental problems, the essence of those are that natural selection drove human intelligence to be developed and applied through warfare, and then economics, to be done primarily on the basis of being able to back up lies with violence. HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE IS NO RELATIVELY VALID SCIENCE. (Way too much of the content published on Zero Hedge that concerns any environmental issues tends to become over-generalized and over-simplified due to overreacting that evidence of some fraudulent science indicates that it is all fraudulent science, which is NOT the case.)
Any better integration of human, industrial and natural ecologies MUST have the human murder systems at the core of that, in one way or another. Therefore, all of our political problems are becoming trillions of times worse than ever before in human history, since we currently have no good ways to even plausibly imagine how the human murder systems can operate after the development of weapons of mass destruction, since those weapons are controlled by the best available professional hypocrites, who are increasingly psychotic psychopaths, due to the history of successful warfare being actually based on deceits and treacheries, which morphed to become economics based on enforcing frauds.
There IS relative valid environmental science buried deeply under all of that bullshit. However, in my view, too many of those whose material is published on Zero Hedge have tended to not dig deep enough into those piles of bullshit to any better find out what may or may not be the relatively valid environmental science facts. The central issue, which is most deeply buried under the biggest bullies' bullshit, are the ways that the human murder systems actually operated. The intense paradoxes were that social success through human murder systems depended upon deceits and treacheries, which therefore required the maximum amount of bullshit be piled up on top of the human murder systems.
Human beings, throughout the history of civilization, have developed that civilization to become based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds. The ways that human beings necessarily live as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows are deliberately presented in the public spaces in the most absurdly backward ways possible, on every level, including throughout some of the most profound levels of the philosophy of science. While human beings manifest information theory and thermodynamics through their combined money/murder systems, they have developed to do that in the most dishonest ways humanly possible, since that was the most socially successful way to do that. Of course, that makes dealing with the relatively real and objective limits of the natural environment extremely difficult and dangerous, since those limits were previously dealt with through the expedient sets of responses based upon the actual human murder systems being most successfully operated through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries regarding what they were really doing. Upon that basis was the entire existing political economy built, including any possible "alternative green energies."
In my view, there are an abundance of possible creative alternatives. However, none of those could be assembled into any overall better systems without alternative death controls being the necessary central core, keystone or lynch pin to all of that. "Alternative green energy technologies" and/or other policies to cope with human beings perhaps driving climate change, should be developed within the context of a civilization that better understands that money is necessarily measurement backed by murder. Without that, then those alternative green energy technologies must continue to be developed within the same old fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems.
There arise series of extremely intense paradoxes, as sets of consistent contradictions, after one recognizes that human beings and civilization, necessarily operating as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows, are also necessarily operating according to the principles and methods of organized crime, because the human murder systems are necessarily the central core to everything else. That social situation has developed to the point to where there is almost nothing but a core of organized crime (mostly now bankster controlled governments), surrounded by various layers of controlled opposition, much of which do not recognize that they are being controlled by the ways that the think through the dominate natural languages and their presumptions regarding the philosophy of science.
It is typical on Zero Hedge (in far superior ways to that presented in the more mainstream mass media) for the content to be based upon better understanding of the ways that the political economy is based upon banksters controlling governments, and what is going wrong with those systems. However, whenever the content published on Zero Hedge wanders into considering more environmental factors, then I REPEAT that I find such content tends to over and over again push its cynicism to the point of stupidity, such as exemplified in the content presented in the article above, as well as most of the other comments so far posted regarding that article above.
Just because human societies are actually controlled by professional hypocrites, successfully backing up lies with violence, does NOT mean that there is no valid environmental science, but only that it is way more difficult to discover whatever that valid environmental science might actually be!