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Violence Erupts In Turkey After Prominent Lawyer Is Assassinated On Live TV
A day after Turkey arrested two journalists for their report exposing Erdogan's weapons deliveries to "extremist groups" in Syria, confirming that no dissent to the president's foreign policy would be allowed, today a new riot has erupted in Istanbul following the dramatic murder in broad daylight of Tahir Elci, the president of the Turkish bar association in southeastern Diyarbakir province, who was shot dead by unidentified gunmen while giving a public speech.
A campaigner for Kurdish rights, Elci had been criticized in Turkey for saying the banned Kurdistan
Workers Party (PKK) was not a terrorist organization, as the government
describes it. He had, however, denounced PKK violence. He was facing trial over his comments, which had infuriated state prosecutors. A Turkish prosecutor last month demanded up to seven and a half years of prison tme for Elci on the grounds of "making propaganda of a terror organization" after remarks he made supporting the PKK.
Just before being gunned down, Elci called for peace and the silencing of all guns.
Öldürülen Tahir Elçi, bas?n aç?klamas?nda: "Sava?lar çat??malar silahlar operasyonlar bu alandan uzak olsun diyoruz" pic.twitter.com/vAiSF0xgi7
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
Moments later TV footage showed a shoot out breaking out and plain clothes police repeatedly shooting at a figure running past them towards Elci. He was then seen lying on the ground with blood apparently streaming from his head. He was later pronounced dead from gunshot to the head. A policeman was also killed in the gunfight.
The killing which was captured on tape, took place while Tahir Elci was making a statement to the media.
"The moment the statement ended, the crowd was sprayed with bullets,” Reuters cited Omer Tastan, a local official from the pro-Kurdish HDP party, as saying. "A single bullet struck Elci in the head," he said, adding that 11 people had also been injured in the incident.
In other words, a hit meant to take out the pro-Kurdish lawyer, staged as an attack by the very people he was defending.
According to the state Anadolu news agency, it was Kurdish insurgents that opened fire, killing Elci, as well as a police officer, and injuring three other people, among them correspondents of the leading Turkish media organizations – the Anatolia and Dogan news agencies
That, however, appears to be just more state propaganda, because as journalists were quick to point out, Elci not only was a pro-Kurd activist but defended the "Terrorist" PKK, which is Erdogan's political nemesis.
#Turkish President #Erdogan just claimed Tahir #Elci's killing was work of #PKK, despite fact that Elci was pro-#Kurd activst & defended PKK
— William Whiteman (@willmwhiteman) November 28, 2015
Then Erdogan himself chimed in, saying "I have just learnt that Bar Association President Mr. Tahir Elçi died and a policeman was martyred," President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a meeting in the northwestern province of Bal?kesir. “This incident shows how Turkey is right in its determined stance in fighting terrorism." The irony is that according to the official narrative, Elci was somehow assassinated by the same people whom he was defending, which, needless to say, makes very little sense.
According to Today Szaman, in a video clip of the incident taken by the Dogan News Agency, men hiding behind the minaret of a nearby mosque started firing at Elci and people standing with him. "A person ran towards Tahir Elci, fired with one hand and then started to run away. Then fighting started," Dogan news agency reporter Felat Bozarslan said.
The US Embassy expressed shock over Elci's death, calling him a "courageous defender of human rights. Our condolences go to his family, that of the policeman killed and to all of Turkey. A terrible loss," the embassy said on Twitter.
Two policemen and a reporter of the state-run Anadolu news agency were injured in the gunfire, along with an unknown number of civilians, Dogan news agency said. One of the policeman was in critical condition, it said.
Turkey's People's Democratic Party (HDP) condemned Elci's killing which it described as an "planned assassination" and called a protest in Istanbul in a written statement.
"In the place left by Tahir Elci, thousands more Tahir Elcis will carry on the work in the struggle for law and justice," it said. Noting that Elçi had been targeted by the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) and its media, the statement called on political parties, civil society and professional groups to "raise their voices" in protest. Metin Feyzioglu, head of the Turkish Bar Association (TBB), said he and members of the executive board of the TBB will be heading to Diyarbakir, inviting all executives of local bar associations across Turkey to join.
16:41 #?stanbul #?stiklalCaddesi, #Diyarbak?r'da öldürülen #TahirElçi için yürüyü? düzenleniyor. ????: Ali Asker Çakmak pic.twitter.com/dX36JxDqNy
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
"This bullet has been fired at not only our brother but at Turkey as a whole. We need to show that our unity will not be undermined and this heinous attack will not succeed," said Feyzioglu.
And so the tension across Turkey rises even more, only this time it has nothing to do with the country's ruinous foreign politics and everything to do with Erdogan's relentless attempt to crackdown on all domestic political adversaries.
Meanwhile, as summoned, at least 2000 people gathered in central Istanbul in Turkey late on Ssaturday, to protest the killing of Elci According to RT, one of the few media organizations covering today's political violence in Turkey, police used water cannon and tear gas, ordering protesters to disperse, RT's William Whiteman reported from the scene. He himself and an RT cameraman were also teargased during the clashes, the reporter added.
#Diyarbak?r #Da?kap?'daki #TahirElçi eylemine polis müdahalesi gerçekle?ti. @mahmutoral_ pic.twitter.com/QqccPQxiiM
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
Protesters grew more and more angry with the police who were "being incredibly heavy-handed," Whiteman reported, adding that people were chanting slogans accusing President Erdogan of being a "thief" and a "killer."
Helicopters have been heard flying low over the area, and the "violent" protests are continuing into the night.
#Istanbul: Police repression w/ water cannon & tear gas during protests of the murder of #TahirElci. v/ @dokuz8haber pic.twitter.com/ep57evgVFW
— ?ynd?cal??? (@syndicalisms) November 28, 2015
#Turkey: Police repression in Istanbul during protests of the murder of #TahirElci, pro-Kurdish lawyer. @140journos pic.twitter.com/ET05c8N3DP
— ?ynd?cal??? (@syndicalisms) November 28, 2015
16:54 #?stanbul #Beyo?lu #Galatasaray, Polis ekipleri, TOMA ile #TahirElçi eylemine müdahale ediyor. @karataszeyno pic.twitter.com/e4FMaaFWjt
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
#TahirElçi'nin öldürülmesi sonras? saat 17'de #Galatasaray Meydan?'na eylem ça?r?s? yap?lm??t?. pic.twitter.com/KZ1cHwAWvD
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
17:02 #TahirElçi protestosuna müdahalenin ard?ndan, polis #?stiklalCaddesi'nde barikat olu?turdu. @karataszeyno pic.twitter.com/sHpThQrqsj
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
17:11 #?stanbul, #TahirElçi eylemi için Galatasaray Meydan?'na ç?kmak isteyen gruplara müdahale sürüyor. @tahresrak pic.twitter.com/wmNRwOPapU
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
19:01 ?stanbul #Kad?köy, Sayg? duru?uyla #TahirElçi, #Ankara ve #Suruç'ta hayat?n? kaybedenler an?l?yor. @yarinhaber pic.twitter.com/3ro1K4XltT
— 140journos (@140journos) November 28, 2015
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But… but… Erdogan is civilized – he didn’t chop off the guy’s head, as King Salman would’ve done. Right? ;-)
Looney
Destabalize another country...who does that?
Turkey will lead the charge out of nato...fingers crossed.
RIPS
If anyone on ZerøHedge knows Turkish, I'd be infinitely greatful...
1. http://www.diyarbakirbarosu.org.tr/Anasayfa
Thanks,
-.-
So, when are the Turks going to put this madman's head on a pike?
His actions are showing ever decreasing rationality and forethought. It's like the country is being run by a petulant child.
LOL!, please, you know the answer to that question. When it benefits the interests of NATO, the IMF, and the central banks in the west...
same as it ever was ...
""Violence Erupts In Turkey After Prominent Lawyer Is Assassinated On Live TV""
AND Turkey Is The EU's, NATO"s and uSA's "Great Partner & Ally" ???
<=== TURKEY Next On The List For ""ARAB Spring"" ???
Turkey is next.
What a perfect 'blueprint for a totalitarian state' is Turkey, Dijsselbloem and his drinking buddy JC Juncker will be happy to usher Turkey into the EU.
Turkey ... i) arrest or kill journalists, ii) assassinate lawyers, and iii) have nice peaceful get-togethers with ISIS members near Kobane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atBhAv07kLc
The activities in this video are comparable to similar encounters between ISIS and IDF in the Golan. They really are all Brothers in Arms.
Hopefully there won't be too much to wait until Turkey will be turned into the belly dancing ho of Putin.
Nazdarovya!
http://goo.gl/EeUp0h
There seem to be a lot of job openings in Turkey lately.
Two days after Thanksgiving and the Turkey killings continue? Shocking!
If the Turks do come apart, Istanbul is being renamed back to Constantinople, the Christian city it was founded as.
Funny that the guy running in to shoot him was carrying a gun, not a knife. As all Hedgers havebeen informed (www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/chicago-mayor-emanuel-urges-remain-pea...), a knife is infinitely more dangerous than a gun.
Apologies for the threadjack. Couldn't help myself.
well as rahm is a dual citizen and vet of the israeli defense forces (and an architect of obama's fabulously disastrous foreign policy), it all comes round since turkey's isis oil is brokered by erdogan's son to israel (they like to buy wholesale and illegal), one of the co-inventors of isis and, now, of the new (syrian and iraqi) kurdistan to come, where erdogan, if still in place, will attempt to herd the turkish kurds.
well, some folks do not want a good crisis to go to waste...
and Chicago is great crisis that is not being wasted by the Zionistas.
I think I might be the first to coin the word "Zionistas"... yes?
Turkey is NOT in the EU but wishes to enter.
I hope the EU dismembers itself before opening up to Turkey.
If not, this is EU's more likely future:
http://oo.gl/QC3VhN
Hrant Dink, again.
I prefer it much more than "Zionazis"
In fact, as I have tried to explain before, if a man with a knife is withing 20' of you, unless you get a lucky head shot, he can slice you up and stand a better chance of bleeding out then he does. That is gone over in most police training programs on shoot-don't shoot scenarios. Just ask an ER Doctor what they think.
Well at least the mass shootings that plague our country [US] don't happen in other countries.
but the good news is that some of us shoot back..
as a wise person once said.. "a shoot-out is way better than a massacre".
I guaran.. f’n T you that if I was carrying in that Paris concert hall, more than one of the operators would have holes in their heads.
If one is trained and has point of aim, one will not waste a round trying to hit the center mass ceramic.
BTW, note my use of the word “operators”.
and heck.. a nifty little anecdote..
When they finally passed CCW in Illinois and the final qual was shooting at a target a lousy 10 feet or so away.. the instructor was wondering why there were no other holes on my target..
.and that was because they were all concentrated in the two inch hole in the middle.
I used my comfy little Beretta 9mm for that test.
Update
ii) assassinate lawyer who is a prominent member of the Kurdish opposition party
[also - enough with the auto-play videos]
Only another Ataturk can save Turkey now from its downfall ...
no. it's the big man syndrome that has turkey in a jam. these nutjob turks take everything as a personal affront. a nation of insecure children who compensate by being part of a gang, which has to have a strong leader.
another saviour isn't going to stop that cycle. Turkey needs to be split up into multiple republics . a separate kurdish nation would be a good start.
now where's that bitch Nuland when we need her?
Do you know who Ataturk was?!
A jew, I believe.
and a zionist.
and a british agent.
and gay, not that there's anything wrong with that last one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_L6uQLR2dM
and you are obviously an ignorant idiot
Sorry, Turkey has had enough of crypto-Jews.
Don't worry Luc, this will pass quickly!
I read the UK's weekend FT (Financial Times) over lunch. There was no mention whatsoever of the Russian bomber being shot down several days ago.
This paper supposedly prides itself on objective analysis of important events.
Not one single mention of this blatant, premeditated act of war.
Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot?
No mention of Turkey's active support of Isis.
No mention of the oil sales or the arms supplies.
The mainstream media is complicit in the crimes.
Pathetic, piece of shit shill presstitutes.
Courtney did it.
Correct and very sad that so many read that tripe. I used to until I could not correlate it with the facts. "Talk your book" is the law.
Dame,
Last updated: November 24, 2015 6:44 pm
Turkey shoots down Russian fighter jet on Syrian borderFT reporters
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d2b1abb0-9287-11e5-94e6-c5413829caa5.html
And I have friends--staunch "progressives"--who think reading FT and The Economist (both Rothschild organs) somehow keeps one realistically abreast of the news.
you are right - FT is pathetic - I stopped reading it about 6 months ago after many years. Even their best books of they year section is not that good any more.
I've noticed the Guardian is pretty anti-Russian (but comments are almost like ZH)
The Gaurdian delete so many comments. I'm always getting mine deleted whenever I post links to facts about the Politician Paedophiles running this country.
seriously ? that's pretty seriously wrong ...
at least our small local paper put a small column to it on the first page pretty quick.
It's SERIOUS folks ...
what if the general human population was to begin to be infused with a new sense of purpose and understanding of why we are here now - and it could be accomplished in a similar time frame as if everyone scheduled an appointment with the optometrist and got a new prescription, whether it be IntraLase LASIK, contact lenses, or glasses.
To really see with new eyes - but this is an internal new vision - which is gained by the medicine activating the pineal gland and Experiencing only what can be said as having such effectiveness of seeing the wisdom of a path of peace instead of a path of war.
We really can awaken to the possibilities of a Peaceful living together .... the combination of Music Medicine yields Miracles
... i wrote a paper about this medicine while also offering opinions on the events of 11 September 2001. I'd love the opportunity to share the importance of this medicine toward a brighter, better, more beautiful world.
RIP John Lennon - Pat Tillman - Jimi Hendrix
Founding Fathers of the Sgt. TiLLmAn's PUrple HearTs CLuB - Banzai - I will email you - I want to collaborate with you on a t-shirt for this -
Later in the day in another part of the world, Archduke Ferdinand was assasinated triggering.................................
...and germany bombs pearl harbor.
And then America saves the day! Ooorah!
'MERICA! FUCK YEAH!
Perhaps but that mother fucker aint so "prominate" now
How many months ago was there big protests against Erdogan over a park and his authoritarian rule? Was that about 8 months ago? The Turkish people were rising up but they used tear gas and bullets against the people.
He lives in a f***king 110 or more room palace. The guy is a real bag of shit but the Turkish military is run by the See Aye Eye and Moose-ad. All payoofs and bribery plus threats. Someone wrote they think the Turkish military with the See Eye Aye and Moose-ad decided to shoot down the Russian Su-24 not erdogan.
If they lose their jobs, perhaps they can start a circus because there appears to be an awful lot of clowning going on.
That possibility hasn't escaped the notice of the Russians. Now what better outcome would be an orthodox christian renaissance stretching westly from the Third Rome back to the second rome, Istanbul Constantinople Byzantium
The CIA only gets involved if you stray from the agenda. Turkey is following the play at this point, so no western supported revolution needed.
The CIA is a curse on this Earth.
The CIA is a curse upon this Earth. They serve no purpose but the spread of misery and bringing wreck and ruin everywhere. Then sticking the taxpayers with the bill for their malevolence.
Russian-Turk spring or is that Kurdish spring? Hmmm. The possibilites oh the endless possibilties for mischief ....
What is rather surprising is that the Turkish Government did not immediately blame Russian Agents for this attack.
Erdogan mssed an opportunity to unite his country for war. He may have used it to unite the Kurds and the Turks against the Russians. He could have declared that Russia was attemting to sow the seed of discord within Turkey as a response to the downing of the Russian Fighter Jet..
Thus the attack was not originated by the Turkish Government, as it was a shock to them, as they would have already prepared the narraative in advance.
Do you see that in a False Flag attack the villian is immediately identified?
It did not happen here.
And if they attempt to change the narrative now then we will know that they are LYING
The Russians did not do this either...or did they?
Qui bono?
If Erdogan were to attempt to pin this on Russia, Russian intelligence would probably bust this open in a very public way. If the facts involved Erdogan, the PKK would be energized.
To me, Erdogan appears to be a narcissist who is intent on becoming the caliph of a revived Ottoman Empire. I don't think he looks too far outward at the moment. If he ends up with several million extra migrants stuck inside Turkey's borders and competing for work with the native millenials, he may end up too busy to look for provocation with Russia. He has already been spanked once this week.
The Kurds are Medes. They too have a history of empire.
If this isn't worth 100 Dow points to the green on Monday, I'll eat my hat.
It's always good for business when one guy takes complete control of his country and executes all opposition. At least you only have to bribe one side to do business there.
Hey wank-stain that is responsible for the '-1' against ever comment here... there's a lamp post, a noose and a few litres of petrol waiting for you.
You piece of shit.
It's almost as lame as the new users that do nothing but link porn.
Bread and Circuses.
There he goes again!
Congrats you twat my first ever downvote.
Mom's basement?
Video uploading his Mom with Midgets in Her basement
There has been a down-voting juggernaut down-votigng everything over the last few days. Pay no attention. He is only meant to confuse your well-founded opinions.
Does anyone care if there are down votes? Do the police show up at one's door and rochambeaux (kick them in the nuts) them? Just in case, I better lock the gate...
He lacks those nuts to which to deliver the kick as he has proven himself effeminate.
LMAO
I will downvote you now as you have demonstrated that you LACK CONVICTION.
I cannot care any less about anybody downvoting me.
So you are a woman who requires social validation?
Grow a skin.
This is not Agreement Club.
And Erdogan's too.
"It's like the country is being run by a petulant child."
Wait, are we talking about Turkey or the US? It gets so confusing these days.
they are all madmen that 75million heads on a pikes lol
C'mon... Obama's not Turkish!
tmosley: that is the collective turkish psyche you describe so well.
Ergodan is giving us a real time profile of the typical violent psychopath dragging entire nations into a ditch. It is rare that they spin out of control in public so badly. The Matrix must be furious. He wrecked their little scheme and gave the Russians the upper hand.
Psychopaths are everywhere at the helms of power, destroying entire social structures, looting resources, triggering wars and leaving a trail of bloodshed to keep the NWO in control.
But these things must be done quietly. The target populations must not be alerted that they are being terrorized and robbed. They might catch on and revolt.
That is why NATO is so angry with him -- they don't care about the Russian jet or the murders of the pilot and the marine. It's just that Ergodan made such an absolute mess of it. Maybe it was being planned along those lines anyway but he got out in front and did things his way, thus overplaying his hand and NATO's.
By becoming the biggest loose cannon on Earth he has attracted the negative attention of his handlers. He will be reprimanded in no uncertain terms.
Spot on.
Erdogan signed his own death warrant, with the shoot s
Down, even if it was really the us ordering turkeys military to do it.
And it will likely be a Turkish Spring that does it.
erdogan, netanyahu, the saudis - what a fucking shithole.
Bring our troops and our shut home from the middle east, make deals with russia and iran and venezuela, stop the interventionist warmongering nonsense, and focus on unfucking our own country... For a change.
I'd be willing to bet the attack on the Russian plane was Erdogan's idea. It is the type of thing a narcissist would do. He had help, but it is a stretch to think someone else would have to order him to do it. Could be a matter of two minds thinking alike, but the extra input would have been redundant.
"So, when are the Turks going to put this madman's head on a pike?
His actions are showing ever decreasing rationality and forethought. It's like the country is being run by a petulant child."
So, when are the Americans going to put this Obama's head on a pike?
His actions are showing ever decreasing rationality and forethought. It's like the country is being run by a petulant child.
Also a translation of "Mission Accomplished!" into Hebrew would be a mitzvah.
Greeceshould have left NATO and the EU but they are too f**king stoopid.
Turkey is a disgusting country and Erdogan is scum. The See Eye Aye and Moo-sad are always in the background pulling strings in Turkey.
By golly, there is a lot of shit going on in that neck of the woods.
Almost makes you think someone wants a war or something...................
"'The moment the statement ended, the crowd was sprayed with bullets,' Reuters cited Omer Tastan, a local official from the pro-Kurdish HDP party"
Watch the video. Looks like police/security spray the crowd. Not so sure Erdogan ordered more than one death here.
well, i'm hoping those two who came out shooting from among the photography crew and the victim were aiming at the assassin/s ...
it was confusing as to which direction the incoming fire was from ...or was it from both sides?
It's all going nicely to plan......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
this overreaching of erdogan just might be the spark to his undoing and an eventual coup.
and although the state would have us all believe in an ironic and unfortunate event, a coup would be the best irony of all.
Erdogan is just following the CIA's JFK playbook on how to bump off opponents. Trouble is, the killers started shooting to soon. Soon, the surviving killers will get their payment and then their bodies tossed into a nearby river.
"But… but… Erdogan is civilized"
He is a moderate.
What's with buddy eating the hood of that car? Was he expecting a delivery at the rear door -- or something? Oh, I shoulda realised. He's just another turkish chickenshit.
Are you Destroying the evidence Erdogan?
Next Turkish headline:
"Mysterious" Fire Hits Turkish Ministry Of Finance, Destroys Years Of Corrupt Regime's Fileshttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-27/mysterious-fire-hits-argentine-...
Following Turkish headline: "Round up the usual suspects." - Erdogan.
Good for another 100-200 on the djia.
why so pessimistic ?
Hey man nice shot! Lawyers....
When I first came to ZH nearly every post had a commentator mentioning "black swans", 4 years later and a number of posts each day make me think of the Archduke Ferdinand. From Black Swans to Archdukes in 4 years.
#blackarchdukesmatter
#blackcheesepopesmatter
"nearly every post" = < 1%
GFY
I had never heard the term black swan until I stumbled on ZH so it stood out for me. I probably exaggerate but the point I was trying to make was that we've probably already had the events that future historians and history books will refer to as the start of WW3 or 4 or whatever term one would like to give it. I wasn't knocking this site or anybody that uses the term black swan (there seems to be a lot of events that could be called black swans).
future historians and history books? a future is an assumption too far in itself
Technically you should not refer to "black swans" in the past tense. It is forward-looking term to describe something that has not happened. After the event it is no longer the unexpected future. In theory you can run out of "black swan" events as they actually unfold.
We are all expecting bad things now. It's hard to call them "black swans" because we know they are coming, stacked up like airliners waiting to land at a busy airport.
Hence the transition away from the language of anxiety. Now, we only wait.
cougar_w, thank you for the clarification. This sentence is especially relevant to me "In theory you can run out of "black swan" events as they unfold." Yes we wait.
Agreed, Didier Sornette's Dragon Kings (expected tumult) is what we're looking at. In Taleb's nomenclature it's a "gray swan". A black swan is something that is completely unexpected like a comet hiting DC (I wish it would).
2 months lockup for a comedy routine that offended the chosenite tribesfolk ...
French comic Dieudonne sentenced :
https://news.yahoo.com/belgium-sentences-french-comic-dieudonne-two-mont...
As comedians have outspokenly commented recently about the hesitation to play USA tours
seein' the MATRIX yet ?
They don't want to play here for threat of Hitlery.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/11/clinton-goes-after-laugh-facto...
If you read Taleb's book, he never defines Black Swans as something totally unexpected.
The correct meaning from Taleb is that they are unexpected... by the victims. The ones who instigate the Black Swans, like the farmer fattening up a turkey, (how timely!) know exactly what is going on...
If you like black swans, read Taleb's books. You should also brush up on Didier Sornet (sp). He uses a term called "Dragon King" that in Taleb's terminology would be a gray swan (something that is inevitable and forseeable, like the next currency reset and the end to US hegemony).
At least we know one thing. Every thread will have a least one comment referencing Hitler. That hasn't changed at all, all negative references too.
I'm curious what a positive Hitler comment might be.
He made the trains run on time?
He also introduced the Peoples car---the Volkswagon ---now the liar mileage car.
Though not the ubermensch he desired, A.H. created a master race and gave them a homeland at the center of world intrigue.
Hitler was instrumental in getting rid of that stupid little mustache men would commonly sport. Those things were sorry. And you don't see them anymore, notice.
everyone noze now them little mustasshes is racist & anti Seemittish ....
SafeSpaces BiiTcheZZ
Watch the video...
Writing of instrumental enjoy the music about Einstein's son.
Sparks..."Talent is an Asset"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHp9NsrTlAY
Hitler on keyboards.
Of course they grew up.
Here is one strange jazzy orchestrial recent cut...They are still producing....after releasing 35 Albums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HljyP1mh5IA
He is no longer Hitler
Yessssssss SPARKS. I was gonna mention the Maels if no on e else did.
"He fought the banksters"? He did, actually.
I fought the banksters and the banksters won
say, those Banksters, should they wiseup and voluntarily see a different route to take ... it's more rewarding and healthy to have a peaceful world where people inherently see the benefits of impeccable behavior ..... imagine , it's easy if you try ....
He issued money not based upon debt.
He rebuilt the German Economy into a War machine...like we do have in the USSA today.
He was Time Magazine's Man of the Year in 1938 due to Germany's Economic Miracle.
We adopted his model in the postwar period having near full employment...although we failed to abolish the FED.
Yes he was a warmonger, murdering millions, just like the United States does today.
Do not think that we are any better because we are not. And we are no worse.
I do not care if you claim that Russians are better. They are not. They mass murdered also.,,even their own people.
That is what our leaders are good at doing...GENOCIDE.
And it is very, very sad.
2nd rule of fight club : don't feed Scooby any Scoobysnacks ! it only encourages him
He got rid of jew bankers. For that he had to die.
Don't know if it's true, but I want it to be true.
@ GH welcome aboard Tyler’s Arc;
We have;
Black swans
White swans
Boiling frogs
Raging Bulls
Perma Bears
Monkey hammers
Dying Canaries
Flopping Whales
Octopi (vampire species)
Doves
Hawks
Deads Cats (bouncing version)
Pigs
Elephants
Donkies
Cash Cows
Sheeple
Unicorns (skittle shitting variety)
all animal, all the time
Don't forget:
Green shoots
BTFD (YFI)
Since Lehman Bitchez!!!
Deer (in the headlights)
False Flags
The guy never stops...he back stabs the Russians, now killing someone who stands up to his corruption. Pretty obviuos to the west now how wicked he is.
but Turkey is a NATO member and an allie of the "west"...
Yea...I guess that gives Egor-dogan a free ticket to slaugter the Kurds doesnt it?
This is no surprise. Been this way for 30+ fucking years.
take a gander at the palace this asshole built for himself, right out of the Nicolae Ceausescu playbook
http://www.balkaneu.com/erdogan-inaugurates-presidential-palace/
I bet Lil' Kim is jealous. It's got that full North Korean architectural look going.
that link is grossly understating the $$ amount ... i'm pretty sure there was a $10 billion tag reported associated with the compound, not $250 million Euro ...
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
Same as it ever was folks.
Pay attention because the true faces of evil do make themselves known from time to time and those that seek power and control over real resources (which is what this is always about) do lose control from time to time...
Interesting times, hedge accordingly.
psychopaths have been in power throughout history because they have no morals or ethics (because they are stupid and they are stupid because they are lazy to learn)
so they steal, cheat, lie and cause violence and murder on a large scale. the only short term way to deal with psychopaths has been countering by other psychopaths
long term (thousands of years) they will be filtered out of population because honest and decent people seek no power to steal, murder and enslave others, they just want to live and enjoy a peaceful life
this anti-semitism, has got to stop.
chosen by GOD to overlord, that's the problem, they all think they are exceptional
Is god a psychopath?
All variations of God G_d jehovah yahweh allah yaldabaoth etc etc , all of them, are psychotic space fairies, products of the denial of reality and weak collectivist minds.
There IS the divine earth mother, Sophia and her consort.. Much more important they are, given that your existence and life are drawn directly from them.
LOVE - GOD = GOD - LOVE
KISS
There is no god. God is a manifestation of psychotic minds.
Go read a bible or torah or whatever. It's completely clear that they were batshit insane.
My take is that God is so perfect that for those such as yourself there is of course no God. You've been given the option and chose nothing so nothing is all that exists for you. For those that do choose to have a belief in God, then God exists. It also depends a lot on your definition of God. For me it's "universal subconcious mind". There be a few here that know where this very appropriate definition originates I'm sure.
Actually, when it does get filtered out of societies, it's because the psychopaths who pilfer the commons have the damnedest poor luck with accidents at the hands of the sane folk.
Or possibly:
Herbert also mentions adrenaline addiction...
A lawyer got shot and people are pissed? Man, they're more screwed up than we are.
no surprise here that:
Engali believes Turks should not be "pissed" off about this murder.
You are rather easily diverted
President of the (local) bar association, no less. Ambivalence rules the day...or the night. Whatever.
tell that to the family and supporters of Pat Finucane. He was a lawyer who really did want justice but the British state had other ideas.
It's just an ISIS hop, skip and jump to Europe if Turkey buckles.
Bullish.
Nonsense. Turkey has been shipping them out by the thousands. It is up to the Europeans--the indigenous Europeans, for the politically-correct--meaning white people--to require their traitorous governments to repel the invasion and deport all the phony refugees. Now that would be good news. Send Barbara Lerner Specter back to Israel!
Next breaking news will be: Erdogan's plane blows in thousands pieces.
and hopefully many of his cronies fall out of their helicopter