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1 Journalist Dead, 3 More Arrested After Exposing Turkey Arming Syrian Extremists

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Submitted by Claire Bernish via TheAntiMedia.org,

Just over a week after Cumhuriyet Editor-in-Chief, Can Dündar, represented the Turkish daily news outlet in receiving a press freedom award, he and another top editor were arrested and jailed on charges of espionage. In question was a controversial article exposing arms shipments from Turkish intelligence to Syrian extremist rebels.

“We have been arrested,” tweeted Dündar on Thursday. “Don’t worry, these are medals of honor for us.”

He explained further: “We are accused of ‘spying.’ The president said ‘treason.’ We are not traitors, spy [sic], or heroes; we are journalists. What we have done here is an act of journalism,” said Dündar before testifying on Thursday. “Of course, this prosecution will help enlighten how these incidents took place, rather than how we covered this story.”

Now a third Turkish journalist has been arrested, according to local reports. Ertu?rul Özkök, a reporter for Turkish daily Hüriyet, has been arrested for a slanderous criticism of who is presumed to be Erdo?an — even though the president wasn’t explicitly named anywhere in Özkök’s article. As if more evidence of Turkey’s quashing free press and free speech were needed , Özkök potentially faces five years and four months in prison for expressing this opinion.

Dündar and Ankara correspondent, Erdem Gül, if found guilty on charges of spying, as well as aiding a terrorist organization, could spend the rest of their lives in a Turkish prison — for doing their job. There is a painfully ironic undercurrent in the charges considering the subject of the article is the Erdo?an administration’s complicity in arming Syrian extremists (read: terrorists).

Erdo?an himself sued Dündar and accused Cumhuriyet of releasing false information and spying when the story first exploded, stating at the time the journalist responsible would “pay a heavy price,” as the Wall Street Journal reported.

Despite Cunhuriyet’s recent honor from Reporters Sans Frontières (RSF, or Reporters Without Borders), under the paranoid, watchful eye of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, journalists — and dissenters — have faced sweeping general censorship. Dündar and Gül might be the most prominent recent examples of Erdo?an’s attempt to keep “state secrets” concealed from public scrutiny, but they’re not the first journalists to poke this particular sore spot.

In fact, the last time a reporter tried to expose Turkey’s complicity in arming Syrian extremists, she met an untimely and as-yet unexplained death under seriously suspicious circumstances that remain inscrutable to this day — even to her own family.

PressTV reporter Serena Shim, a U.S. citizen, had been investigating the flow of anti-Assad militants and weapons from Turkey’s border region into northwestern Syria amidst heavy fighting near the town of Kobanî. During this time, she attracted the attention of Turkish Intelligence (MiT — Millî ?stihbarat Te?kilat?). Though locals knew her and the integrity of her reporting, MiT proceeded to question them and requested her whereabouts — under the unfounded guise Shim had been acting as a spy.

In reality, Shim had uncovered evidence of secret Western assistance to the Islamic State” — a particularly touchy subject for Erdo?an, as seen in the arrests of Dünbar and Gül. Her video evidence of this assistance — reportedly “proof of Islamic State terrorists using United Nations World Food Program vehicles for a convoy” into Syria, likely akin to Dünbar and Gül’s discovery — has never been recovered. Her passport and wedding ring, seized by Turkish authorities sometime after her death, have never been returned to her family.

Serena Shim and her cousin, cameraperson Judy Irish, unlike the arguably more fortunate Dünbar and Gül, were ostensibly “hit by a truck after turning into the opposite lane on a highway access road,” as reported in wtfrly.com. Shim was killed, though discrepancies are plentiful in official reports, including whether she died at the scene or an hour later from heart failure in the hospital. Shim and Irish were inexplicably taken to hospitals over 25 miles apart from each other by Turkish military officials, not police, who ‘investigated’ the wreck. After outrage from Shim’s family, Turkish authorities — who first claimed they were unable to locate the vehicle responsible for hitting Shim and Irish — eventually produced photos of the accident, which they then claimed had been caused by a cement truck driver.

Shim’s family has yet to receive answers from either Turkish or U.S. authorities about her dubious demise. On October 20, 2014, Marie Harf of the State Department took questions from the press on a number of subjects, including rumors surrounding Shim’s death. According to the transcript:

QUESTION: Does the U.S. have any comment on reports the death of U.S. citizen Serena Shim in Turkey may be more than just a car crash, following her reports that ISIS militants are being smuggled across the Syrian border?

HARF: Yes. We can confirm that she died in Turkey on October 19th and extend our deepest condolences to her family and friends. Officials from the U.S. Consulate General in Adana are in contact with her family and providing all possible consular assistance. For any details or information about the investigation, I think local authorities in Turkey are handling that.

QUESTION: But I mean, the question was whether you believe that her death had anything other than to do than [sic] a car crash.

 

HARF: I just don’t have anything further for you than that.

 

QUESTION: Can you take the question?

 

HARF: I can, but I don’t think I’m going to have anything further.

On November 20th, the media again attempted to press for answers about Shim’s death during a daily briefing given by Jeff Rathke. Per the transcript:

QUESTION: It’s about the journalist Serena Shim, who died in Turkey under very suspicious circumstances. Did her death raise suspicions here at the State Department?

 

RATHKE: Well, I think we’ve spoken to this in the briefing room several weeks ago, after it happened. I don’t have anything to add to what the spokesperson said at the time, though.

 

QUESTION: But then she died several days after she claimed she had been threatened by the Turkish intelligence. Have you inquired about this? Have you asked questions? Is there really nothing new about this?

 

RATHKE: Well, I just don’t have any update to share with you. Again, this was raised shortly after her death. The spokesperson addressed it. I don’t have an update to share with you at this time.

This icy response sharply contrasts that given by the State for other ‘American’ journalists killed or captured in the area for whom President Obama’s administration appeared to react with care and criticism, such as with James Foley (who was beheaded by ISIS).

U.S. State Dept. spokesperson Mark Toner released a statement on Thursday concerning the arrests of Dünbar and Gül:

“We are troubled by the pre-trial arrest yesterday of senior editors of the respected Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet.

 

“The investigation, criminal charges, and arrest raise serious concerns about the Turkish government’s commitment to the fundamental principle of media freedom. These events are only the latest in a series of judicial and law enforcement actions taken under questionable circumstances against Turkish media outlets critical of the government.

 

“We call on Turkish authorities to ensure that all individuals and organizations — including but not limited to the media — are free to voice a full range of opinions and criticism, in accordance with Turkey’s constitutional guarantees of media freedom and freedom of expression.”

Most troubling in the silencing of Shim, Dünbar, Gül, and now Özkök are the very real consequences the verity of their reports of the Erdo?an government’s complicity in arming and aiding the Islamic State could have in NATO operations in the region. Should their separate, same discoveries have merit — and considering Erdo?an’s swift and heavy-handed reaction, they likely do — Turkey’s agenda stands at cross purposes with the supposed coalition goal of stunting ISIS. Even Vice President Joe Biden implicated Turkish involvement in the ISIS arms trade, though he apologized and essentially recanted that claim shortly afterwards.

Shortly after Shim’s mysterious death, the Daily Mail revealed video of Turkish border police having friendly interactions with ISIS fighters — apparently further evidence supporting the journalists’ claims.

The U.S. and other allies of Turkey quickly reacted in solidarity with the recent downing of a Russian jet that apparently breached Turkish air space — but is it possible that alliance isn’t as committed to ending ISIS’ growth as it purports to be? Though mostly unstated by the media and State, it has been widely and critically rumored U.S. involvement in the Syrian imbroglio has far more to do with deposing President Bashar al-Assad than leveling the burgeoning Islamic State.

In one of Shim’s final reports from her investigation, she revealed local Turkish populations near the Syrian border simply want an end to fighting. She disclosed many refugee camps in that border region were, in actuality, training camps for militants.

In interviews with local residents, it became clear Erdo?an’s stance on Assad — whom they claim the president used to call “our brother” — sharply reversed after consulting with U.S. officials.

According to Shim, locals stated, “We want Turkey and Syria to be friends again. We want the Syrian militants outside of Turkey’s territory.” She also explained locals “blame their government for the entire chaos taking place across the border [in Syria], calling their Prime Minister a ‘puppet of Israel and the United States.’”

Shim’s family is still waiting for information from the U.S. about her death. Judy Irish survived the deadly ‘accident,’ but so far has not come forward with any public statements about the incident. Press freedom in Turkey, meanwhile, has become a bit of an oxymoron.

Perhaps Voltaire said it best:

“To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?”

 

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Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:49 | 6852734 y3maxx
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Turkey's Erdogan is the equivalent to the Ukrainian stooge puppet set up by the USSA to fight Russia.

Too many folk recognize this folly so It wont pan out.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:52 | 6852740 NidStyles
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That doesn't stop those fuckers from still operating within our borders, it's like taking two steps back from our last position which was about 20 steps forward from where we are at now. 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:55 | 6852747 Looney
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Here’s an interesting tidbit:

Moshe Ya'alon, Israel’s Defense Minister, told Kol Yisrael radio station about an incident involving a Russian warplane crossing Israel’s border.

“Recently, a Russian plane operating in Syria entered our airspace by about one mile. Obviously, it was pilot’s error. We contacted him, the plane immediately turned around and returned into Syria’s airspace.

The Russian planes do not attack us. That’s why we shouldn’t overreact and shoot them down, when mistakes happen”.

Ya’alon did not specify the date of the incident.

What’s interesting here is Putin’s ability to keep respectful friendly relationships with such archenemies as Israel and Iran/Syria, and up until recently, with Turkey.

Shouldn’t our “dear leaders” take a page out of Putin’s book?  ;-)

Looney

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:58 | 6852761 Divided States ...
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CORRECTION:

calling their Prime Minister a ‘puppet of Israel and the United States.’”

 Should be

 calling their Prime Minister a ‘puppet of the United States’ and the President of the United States a ‘puppet of Israel.’”’

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:43 | 6852897 BaBaBouy
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""Turkish authorities — who first claimed they were unable to locate the vehicle responsible for hitting Shim and Irish — eventually produced photos of the accident, which they then claimed had been caused by a cement truck driver.""

They Have Cement In Turkey ...?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:50 | 6852918 strannick
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to determine who rules, who can't u critisize? ~voltaire

Isreal? Jews?

@Looney. I'm guessing the only reason Isreal didn't try is because they were too scared of retaliation. Erodagan is too greedy and stupid to realise fully the repercussions. 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:54 | 6852954 svayambhu108
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If she keeps stirring shit up Turkey might experience a border "correction"

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:54 | 6852966 44magnum
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strannick, Especially when some countrys pass laws against it?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:16 | 6853080 WTFRLY
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Glad to see ZH finally posted something about this. We are working on a documentary about Shim's story.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:28 | 6853523 JRobby
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The new "demons"!!!! Thinking back to what happened to The Ottoman Empire after WWI, I hope they don't expect to keep anything after this next one?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:38 | 6853359 o r c k
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Cement? It's for cement boots. When they find water deep enough.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:08 | 6853042 Abitdodgie
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Erdogan is doing it all wrong , you do not arrest journalist you buy journalist like all the ones in America.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:53 | 6853202 strannick
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yes. killing reporters is so Latin America.

Better to have Wolf Blitzer and the Zios to pay them to cover water skiing squirrels

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:23 | 6853311 DeadFred
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He's really not making that much on the ISIS oil scam so it's too expensive to buy all of them. The CIA on the other hand has the full faith and credit of the Fed's printing presses. (plus drug smuggling profits and any financial gains they can get by having access to EVERY phone call and Email in the west)

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:08 | 6852800 Barrack Chavez
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Um, geography check please.

If you fly a mile or two south of the Syrian border, you would be flying over Lebanon.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:17 | 6852816 Looney
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Here's the map .

Oh, and Lebanon is to the West. I think?  ;-)

Looney

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:28 | 6852856 Barrack Chavez
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The Russian air base (which is at Tartus) is north of Lebanon, nowhere near Golan Heights. Lebanon is to the south of where the Russian planes are based, and where they were flying when the tussle with Turkey started.

Even if you want to bicker about Golan Heights (which is contested territory- part of Israel, Lebanon, Palestine or Syria depending on whom you ask), the Russian plane would theoretically be 1-2 miles *WEST* of the Syrian border, not south as your story stated.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:52 | 6852964 Barrack Chavez
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Looney -- your map is from a blog (not a reference site) labeled "new Pakistan"???

Pakistan isn't anywhere near Syria or Israel or Lebanon... maybe you need more geography help than I thought.

Russian planes fly out of Tartus, Syria -- which is north of Lebanon. Golan Heights is (according to Israel) occupied territory, not Israeli airspace.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:30 | 6853333 cougar_w
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Looney is correct.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 19:32 | 6854133 Barrack Chavez
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Oh, well if cougar_w says so... then it must be. Are you with the CIA? Its a slam dunk? You are arrogant enough to work there...

The tussle between Russia and Turkey isn't about the area near Golan Heights (even if you disagree with Israel about its status). The Russian plane was shot down north of Tartus, at the border between Turkey and Syria (and north of Lebanon).

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:32 | 6853343 MiTasol
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That map seems to have mistaken where Israel's capital is.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 19:59 | 6854152 Barrack Chavez
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Forget about the capital of Israel, the map doesn't even show the area where the Russian planes are operating / being shot down. That is the topic of the post... just sayin'.

Looney's map indicates that Golan Heights is not part of Israel, which happens to agree with official Israeli policy (it is occupied territory, much like the west bank and gaza). And its what I have been writing.

Looney's map doesn't show the area around Tartus, Syria -- where the Russian planes are operating and where the Russian fighter jet was shot down.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:19 | 6852834 cossack55
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Think "Golan Heights".

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:35 | 6852881 Barrack Chavez
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I have distant relatives who have lived in Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan -- and they have lived in the exact same house on the exact same land for at least five generations. The "national" borders keep moving.

Israel wouldn't have grounds to shoot down a Russian plane flying over Golan Heights... it isn't clear which country (if any) would.

But Looney's post concerned Russian planes flying out of Tartus, which is north of Lebanon - not bordering Golan Heights

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:41 | 6852893 Bunghole
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Geography check yourself.

Syria and Israel share a common border.  It's called the Golan Heights.

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:46 | 6852915 Barrack Chavez
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Even Israel labels Golan Heights as occupied territory, not officially part of Israel. Its one of several places Israel agreed to vacate if the Oslo peace accords had been signed.

No one who has ever lived in that area would claim it to be part of any country -- those that do obviously live thousands of miles away.

And you still haven't addressed the fact that the Russian air base is in Tartus, north of Lebanon.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:14 | 6853072 Raymond_K._Hessel
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False. Israel 'annexed' the golan. Just about no one else recognizes it but what does that matter. What zios want they take.

http://theantimedia.org/what-rothschild-murdoch-cheney-and-israel-love-m...

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 18:33 | 6853899 MSimon
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And American Indians are on reservations because? There is not a nation on earth that doesn't take what it wants. If it thinks it can get away with it.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:56 | 6852752 greenskeeper carl
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Sounds like they are taking a page from the Obama admins manual on how to handle whistleblowers. I feel like it's important to state "US ally and NATO member turkey arrests journalists" kinda like how ZH always says "US ally Saudi Arabia ..." Everytime they bomb a wedding or behead a gay person. Really drives the point home....

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:00 | 6852767 GhostOfDiogenes
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Every nation state has a body count of 'villians' who would not go along all socratic like and had to be suicided for national security.

Putiput has killed journos.

They all do it.

There is no center to the nwo. Its a bunch of members of one family vying for dominance .

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:57 | 6852757 GhostOfDiogenes
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I look at the traitors in office as a worse evil than isis bogeymen in our backyard.
And here I thought you were a nationalist?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:55 | 6852751 toady
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Wait, isn't the CIA paying Erdogan to train/arm "moderate" opposition? 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:45 | 6852917 jtg
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Yes, and now the EU is paying Erdogan to supposedly stop the flow of Syrians into the EU but you can be sure that he will use a lot of it to support his jihadis in Syria.

Hey, US, you are the company you keep.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:51 | 6852959 Amish Hacker
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Yes, they did, but half a billion dollars later, all five of the trainees threw down their weapons and ran away.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:02 | 6852772 HowdyDoody
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The body of the pilot of the Su-24 shotdown in a premeditated attack was been delivered to the Russian authorities. It was collected by Turkish military at an airbase in central Hatay province, then flow to Ankara. There is was transferred to a Russian military plane for the flight home to Russia.

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/24...

My guess is the crew who murdered the pilot quickly returned to Turkey with the body, in full knowledge that Russia would bomb the shit out of the area. The quick transfer from murderers to Turkish government suggests a close connection between the two (not news, just more evidence).

It will be interesting to see what the RUssians reveal about the state of the body. If it is relatively well preserved, that means it has been kept chilled from shortly after the pilot's death.

Meanwhile Turkish troops near the border are bombarding Syrian troops in Syria.

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2015/11/signs-of-escaaltion-on-syria...

Fuck the duplicitous Turks

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUzduohUYAA_Jzt.jpg

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:05 | 6852790 NotApplicable
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Far more folk will fail to even consider who Erdogan really is, so it has already panned out.

Case in point: all of the sheeple who back Obummer's "Assad must go" (cuz he gassed his own people) while never even bothering to consider what "our ally" the House of Saud is constantly up.

So... perhaps too many folks in Turkey have made the proper recognition, but it won't stop the global lynch-mob from forming as yet the next tool of destruction.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:55 | 6852977 sam i am
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Kadyrov, President of Chechnya, tells that Erdogan takes money from the West to kill Muslim people

 

http://thesaker.is/russia-reacts-to-turkeys-attack-sitrep-november-29-20...

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:17 | 6853490 Reptil
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Poroshenko visited the Netherlands, where he was recieved apparantly by the government dignitairies.
He was also interviewed by a dutch State television station called Nieuwsuur (hour of the news) where he exclaimed that Russia is bad, and the referendum in the Netherlands (to let the Ukraine join the EU as a full member (and what else??)) wasn't to his liking.
He actully took Syria as an example in the (very poorly conducted) interview, that eeh... Russia is bad. The interview touched on the MH-17 disaster but nothing about the non-disclosure agreement or the ATC (Kiev) tapes missing.
The mainstream media here has been on a years long anti-russian campaign, and it's toe-curling experience to watch an illegal "president" (Yanukovich, with all his faults was the last legitimately elected president) being touted as a shinig example of our democratic allies.
http://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2071785-porosjenko-waarschuwt-voor-dubbe...
They put in a bonus clip of Poroshenko speeching in front of newly delivered American weaponsystems, because the intervieuw with Nieuwsuur was botched.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:36 | 6852886 Mine Is Bigger
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I am loving ZeroHedge's pursuit of this Turkey-ISIS angle. This may end up boosting the site's credibility in the area of geopolitics.

Good job, Tylers! Go boldly to where the MSM dare not to look!

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:42 | 6852903 Noplebian
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WW3 – Turkey/ISIS/Russia – The Countdown Has Begun......

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 17:03 | 6853630 Butter_cup
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Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:50 | 6852736 unrulian
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The second casualty of war...those that speak about the first casualty

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:03 | 6852780 trulz4lulz
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In Murikistan, propaganda is legal according to "law", therefore the Turks murdering a journalist is also legal under Murikistanian law. The Turks are acting like their mAsters. And even further, those who think that this arming of militants to overthrow governments srarted with obombya, the BICs' chief gun runner since Afghanistan in the 80s'.....yeah youre idiots.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:50 | 6852737 The Greek horse
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Midnight Express (movie) art imitating real life..  

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:58 | 6852760 AlaricBalth
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Billy Hayes: To the Turks, everything is "shurla burla", which means "like this, like that". You never know what will happen. All foreigners are "ayip", they're considered dirty. So is homosexuality, it's a big crime here, but most of them do it every chance they get. There are about thousand things that are "ayip", for instance, you can stab or shoot somebody below the waist but not above because that's intent to kill. So everyone runs around stabbing everyone else in the ass. That's what they call Turkish revenge. I know it must all sound crazy to you, but this place is crazy.

Midnight Express

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:38 | 6853363 cougar_w
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So is cutting a guy's balls off okay?

No reason, just trying to get the lay of the land over there.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:57 | 6852758 nnnnnn
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turkish language is so ugly

sound like noises from someone who is vomiting

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:57 | 6852759 madashellron
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Fucking Disgusting.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:59 | 6852762 buzzsaw99
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our friends

You are the company you keep.

Proverbs 13:20

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:58 | 6852765 Consuelo
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Cumhuriyet...?

 

Well, I guess at €4/hour she might try to hurry it -- yet...?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 12:59 | 6852766 dogismycopilot
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Change Recep's Regime.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:01 | 6852770 hotrod
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So it has been those nasty Turks supporting ISIS and not the USA/Israel etc   Erdogan is to blame.  Still cant understand how the USA missed all those oil trucks for over a year

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:04 | 6852785 HowdyDoody
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The US gave the truck drivers 45 minutes warning when a surveillance satellite was about to pass over.

... and they're gone.

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:05 | 6853032 Freddie
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We are learning more and more that Iraq and Syria have been about private parties or gangs of elites stealing and reselling oil.   My guess is Soros and others are also in on it in Syria and N Iraq. The Bush and Cheney gang did it in Iraq during their reign.

Probably $1 billion in pure profit on this oil theft.

Peanuts compared to the heroin running in Afghanistan.  the Clintons got their running it through the Balkans and LBJ got a lot running heroin through Vietnam and SE Asia.  Wars are almost always about theft, money and looting.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:40 | 6853372 cougar_w
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RE Smedley Butler.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:04 | 6852789 jomama
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Grasping for straws much?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:14 | 6852815 NotApplicable
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Let's see... the two I recognize (Nemtsov and Litvinenko) were both obvious western false-flags (as evidenced by the massive western media interest). So... I'd say Zinu is but a propagandist.

Since I can't imagine that Putin (or anyone at this level) has clean hands. I'm wondering why Zinu can't even provide anything but BS? The idea that Putin had anything to gain from those two deaths is pure stupidity.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:20 | 6852836 Zinu
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False flag! Flas flag! Anyone wants a "false flag"?! Don't know how to wash away your criminal boss hands from blood? Call "false flag"! 

Ha ha ha  :D

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:27 | 6852850 nnnnnn
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Ha ha ha  :D

Ha ha ha  :D

Ha ha ha  :D

vice versa

Ha ha ha  :D

Ha ha ha  :D

no speak inglish

Ha ha ha  :D

Ha ha ha  :D

vice versa potato

Ha ha ha  :D

vice versa False flag!False flag!False flag!

Ha ha ha  :D

Ha ha ha  :D

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:28 | 6852858 L Bean
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FLugelFlagenkov!

It's a Flololololocaust!

Flurg.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:27 | 6852820 nnnnnn
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zinu  did you sell your kidney again to buy something to eat? use your brain you latvian farmer. you could eat your potatos insted of selling your organs

 

Ha ha ha  :D

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:29 | 6852860 roadhazard
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And the Pootin lovers have spoken.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:47 | 6852932 trulz4lulz
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Putin lover? You fucking troll cunts cant NOT talk about him! This article has literally fuck all to do with Putin and yet here you are, calling people "Putin lovers" that express sympathy towards a woman who was murdered for exposing government corruption. A corruption that has lead to MILLIONS OF PEOPLE KILLED for well over a decade, all lies. so a "Putin lover" is someone who hates terrorists and the intitutions that arm, train, supply and drug them. So what does that make you? You are a terrorist supporting scumbag. You worship death and you deep throt the cock that is supporting all this death and destruction. If youre an American, you are a facist traitor of the highest order. A FUckING TRAITOR!!! Do you understand!/ YOU TREASONOUS SCUMBAG FUCK??? Get that through your skulll fucked mouth!!! YOURE A TRAITOR!!!

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:01 | 6853009 roadhazard
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Did I hurt your widdle feewings.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:31 | 6853085 Raymond_K._Hessel
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Fucking half wit - you and a few others repeatedly piss and moan about 'putin lovers' etc over and over and over.

You and teh finn spend half your time on here whining about 'trolls.' And you like to show off your ignorance of the corpus of western philosophical movements, As I recall.

No counterpoint, no coherent argument, just soiling your panties that people dare disagree with you.

You stupid cunt, youre far too dumb to be here. Are you a Breitbart import?

http://www.herald.co.zw/killing-civilians-wests-irony-over-israel-ukraine/

Now go plug it with cotton, Samantha.

Men are talking.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:47 | 6853183 roadhazard
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I don't consider Pootin lovers trolls, just misguided. Oh I make my case but all I get is down arrows and personal attacks in return so I don't waste a lot of typing when I already know what the response will be. Some of y'all do like to see yourself in print. Too bad it's mostly bullshit.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:26 | 6853116 trulz4lulz
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Hurt my feeling? how would a terrorist symathyzing cunt and a traitor, such as yourself, ever hurt my feelings? Seriously? Youre a traitor hommie! you people will face execution for what you support! Fucking traitors.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:59 | 6853227 roadhazard
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Actually I'm retired.  ;)

The down votes aren't mine, it takes too much effort.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:00 | 6853241 trulz4lulz
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retired? And? What does that have anything with you being a traitor? ps...traitor.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:05 | 6852791 CuttingEdge
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If there was civil war in Turkey, would NATO's remit allow it to assist propping up that cunt Erdogan?

Only, the masses in Turkey are rather peeved at present, and with all the sanctions Putin has slapped them with, things are only going to go downhill from here for the nutjob enablers pulling the strings.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:18 | 6852828 Barrack Chavez
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Obama is already launching attacks on ISIS (at least in theory) out of Turkish air bases. At the same time, Obama is launching attacks against Syria/Assad out of Turkish air bases. In some sorties, US planes leaving the same air base in Turkey are attacking both sides of the same ground battle.

Next Obama can have the same planes attack the air base in Turkey from which they took off? Or maybe the US F-18's attacking ISIS can start shooting at the US F-18s trying to overthrow Assad?

Maybe NATO can order the French aircraft barge DeGaulle to ram itself into a British warship. That will show Assad NATO means business... or maybe it will show ISIS. We'll have to see what version plays better on CNN.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:23 | 6852843 L Bean
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Ay Caramba, it is all so completely FUCKED.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:59 | 6852999 Amish Hacker
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So if the enemy of my enemy is my friend, shouldn't the friend of my enemy also be my enemy? Or do my friends' friends also have to be my friends, even though some of their enemies are my friends, too?

I'm glad this makes sense to somebody.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:32 | 6853137 Freddie
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Turkish air base at Incirlik = major narcotics/drugs tran shipping hub

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:44 | 6853389 cougar_w
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Before it was an airbase it was a camel caravan route carrying drugs.

Nothing changes.

No seriously. Nothing.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:41 | 6852793 L Bean
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Was this in Diyarbakir as well, like the on-air assassination of that human rights lawyer a few days ago? 

 

I hope everyone here realizes that the US has re-vamped the old airforce base there, very recently. The Turk parliament voted last year to allow 60,000 US troops in. My bet is that Diyarbakir is where they plan to operate from, not just Incirlik. Diyarbakir will be the new "Green Zone" for the US in Turkey. 

 

You heard it here first. Incirlik will be the "face" of the Turkish military, while the US really runs things out of Diyarbakir. The Turks' military will become as quaint as the Afghanis', the Iraqis', and the Libyans' before them.

 

It's only a matter of weeks/months before Erdogan gets a machete up the rectum, imo, and then his CIA replacement can fly in to save the day.

 

When will the world learn to not invite the US vampire into their home?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:07 | 6852796 pupdog1
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Get to work, Vlad.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:07 | 6852798 Zinu
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Corrupt criminal putin regime continues to steal russian money away - people scared to stand against ex-KGB agent / criminal putin:

 

“Rotenberg is worse than Isis”, read the sign plastered over the windscreen of a truck parked on the main highway linking southern Russia to Azerbaijan in the southern republic of Dagestan.

Its owner, together with hundreds of other truckers, is protesting against a new road toll they say threatens to bankrupt them. Their ire is directed at Igor Rotenberg, licensee for the fee collection system and son of one of President Vladimir Putin’s closest friends.



The slogan is seen as particularly daring in that it links a Putin ally to an Islamist insurgency seen as an absolute evil.

Since electronic toll collection system Platon started operating on November 15, truckers have been striking, blocking highways and holding roadside rallies in places as far apart as St Petersburg, Khanty-Mansiysk in the northern Urals, and the Siberian republic of Buryatia.

The truckers’ actions are a rare example of a protest with political undertones in a society that has become apathetic about corruption and a worsening economy.

“It is an abnormal disconnect,” says Lev Gudkov, head of independent pollster Levada Center. “Dissatisfaction is growing and people expect the crisis to last for a long time, but they are willing to endure.”

He calls it the victory of the TV over the fridge; propaganda that suggests Russia is under siege from external enemies is smothering complaints about domestic issues.

But in the case of the road toll system, the small entrepreneurs see their livelihood threatened by a project they assume will further fatten the bank account of one of the richest men in the country. The protesters, mostly independent truckers or owners of small companies, argue that the new fee is tantamount to exploitation because they are already paying petrol taxes and road taxes.

“Platon is going to destroy our business if we don’t stop it,” said Asman, a driver from the city of Derbent who runs a small transport company with his two brothers. “We are not interested in politics. We are simply saying that forcing us to pay these fees will mean the end for our business. And what are we going to do then? There are no other jobs here.”

The protest has quickly turned political. At a street protest in the centre of Yaroslavl, north-east of Moscow, on Thursday, two participants held a sign calling for the Rotenbergs to be expelled from Russia. “Down with a government that plunders the people!” said another. Earlier this week, one group of truckers even published a manifesto, calling for the “punishment” of Mr Rotenberg, Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian prime minister, and Sergei Chemezov, head of state company Rostec and another close associate of Mr Putin.

Russia has not seen any organised protest movement since tens of thousands took to the streets of the capital in late 2011 and early 2012 to demonstrate against electoral fraud. Those protests then focused anger against Mr Putin’s return to the presidency after a one-term swap with Mr Medvedev.

Although the recession brought on by low oil prices, a weak rouble and western sanctions has triggered some local protests, Mr Putin’s support ratings have remained close to 90 per cent.

 

Polls show that the percentage of people prepared to protest is just above 10 per cent, barely changed for most of the past two years.

But corruption and cronyism as well as Russia’s dreadful roads are two perennial sources of dissatisfaction.

“I fully support our president because he is doing the right thing in foreign policy,” says Pavel Belkov, a janitor at a Moscow office building. “But he is not doing such a good job at home. Corruption is very bad. And our infrastructure is bad. Just look at the potholes in the roads!”

The road toll system has generated so much anger because it is seen as a combination of these two big problems.

Arkady Rotenberg, the Platon investor’s father, met Mr Putin aged 12 when they started training in martial arts together and has long been the president’s judo partner.

 

 

His wealth steadily increased during Mr Putin’s time in office since 2000. But since the imposition of western sanctions last year, Mr Rotenberg’s net worth has dropped to $1.46bn, according to Forbes. Companies connected to his family, however, have since secured a number of large state contracts.

Despite the discontent, Mr Putin has not yet become a target of the trucker protest. “He doesn’t know about all the things that went wrong, I’m convinced,” said Asman. At some street rallies, truck drivers even appealed to the president for help.

Through VKontakte, the Russian equivalent to Facebook, the truckers are now discussing their next moves. A huge protest was planned for Moscow this Monday.

But this week, the cabinet announced drastic cuts to fines for failing to pay the toll, and government officials believe the protest will gradually fizzle out. “We have addressed their concerns,” said a cabinet official. “They will be reasonable.”

 

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3def2036-9523-11e5-8389-7c9ccf83dceb.html#axzz...

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:10 | 6852807 Barrack Chavez
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If you are going to rant about something other than the topic, could you please put "Warning: off topic" at the top of your rant?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:14 | 6852813 Zinu
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Ou it's on topic  - people are scared to criticize  criminal putin regime. And ZH say:

“To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?”

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:27 | 6852823 Raymond_K._Hessel
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Its not on point its more threadjacking.

You know, the occasional 'off topic' comment is fine (as a general rule) right but you are a damned threadjacking junkie, yo.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 17:29 | 6853713 tarabel
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Considering the original caption about who cannot be criticized, coupled with his observation that criticism of Putin can be hazardous to one's health, I'd have to say that it is reasonably pertinent to the subject at hand.

Even more germane to the issue is the response it has generated, which does a magnificent job of illustrating its pertinence far more than anything he could have done on his own.

His opponents have amply proven his thesis for him. A well planned campaign indeed.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:44 | 6852908 outlaw.guru
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“To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?”

Zerohedge true leader appears to be Austrian school of economics :D

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:15 | 6852819 LongOfTooth
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Quoting an article that was published by the mouthpiece of western corporate fascism and I'm supposed to pay heed to what's written?  LOL

 

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:17 | 6852821 L Bean
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Hey Potato Peddler, what do you have against Toll Roads?

Are they charging by weight? I know, I know... potatoes are heavy!!

But if you're trying to gain the wests' sympathies, focus on "crimes" which aren't SOP here.

And buy a fucking grammar lesson for fuck's sake, your potato-port needs some sort of upgrade and it's starting to show.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:12 | 6852810 Zinu
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In occupied Crimea under criminal putin regime rule people live without electricity for a week now - only few has fuel generators. 

Man tells that people are scared to protest against putin - people only complains at home - in kitchen. In streets people are affraid to criticize regime. Affraid from FSB agents. 

 

https://youtu.be/a55p9q01c3o

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:15 | 6852814 Raymond_K._Hessel
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https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/22/crimeans-keep-saying-no-to-ukraine/

Once a banned thread-jacking liar, always such, eh newsoutlet?

Bitch.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:17 | 6852824 LongOfTooth
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Who's responsible for the electricity being cut off?

 

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:34 | 6852830 L Bean
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Please to complain in kitchen near potato bin so potato hear you next time. 

More better response than from criminal Potatoshenko Regime.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:13 | 6853286 opport.knocks
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Be kind, he needs something to do while waiting for potato to become vodka.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:21 | 6852837 Fukushima Fricassee
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If American media were on the other side of cocksuker Obama and Bengahzi Clinton the same fucking thing would be happening in the USSA.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:22 | 6852838 L Bean
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There is no such thing as journalism in the US. Michael Hastings only got close.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:24 | 6852845 Zinu
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The dangers to journalists in Russia have been well known since the early 1990s but concern at the number of unsolved killings soared after Anna Politkovskaya's murder in Moscow on 7 October 2006. While international monitors spoke of several dozen deaths, some sources within Russia talked of over two hundred fatalities.[1] The evidence has since been examined and documented in two reports, published in Russian and English, by international organizations. These revealed a basic confusion in terminology that explained the seemingly enormous numerical discrepancy: statistics of premature death among journalists (from work accidents, crossfire incidents, and purely criminal or domestic cases of manslaughter) were repeatedly equated with the much smaller number of targeted (contract) killings or work-related murders.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

 

 

56 Journalists Killed in Russia/Motive Confirmed

 

Akhmednabi Akhmednabiyev, Novoye Delo

     July 9, 2013, in Semender, Russia

Mikhail Beketov, Khimkinskaya Pravda

     April 8, 2013, in Khimki, Russia

Kazbek Gekkiyev, VGTRK

     December 5, 2012, in Nalchik, Russia

Gadzhimurad Kamalov, Chernovik

     December 15, 2011, in Makhachkala, Russia

Abdulmalik Akhmedilov, Hakikat and Sogratl

     August 11, 2009, in Makhachkala , Russia

Natalya Estemirova, Novaya Gazeta, Kavkazsky Uzel

     July 15, 2009, in between Grozny and Gazi-Yurt , Russia

Anastasiya Baburova, Novaya Gazeta

     January 19, 2009, in Moscow , Russia

Telman (Abdulla) Alishayev, TV-Chirkei

     September 2, 2008, in Makhachkala, Russia

Magomed Yevloyev, Ingushetiya

     August 31, 2008, in Nazran, Russia

Ivan Safronov, Kommersant

     March 2, 2007, in Moscow, Russia

Maksim Maksimov, Gorod

     November 30, 2006, in St. Petersburg, Russia

Anna Politkovskaya, Novaya Gazeta

     October 7, 2006, in Moscow, Russia

Vagif Kochetkov, Trud and Tulsky Molodoi Kommunar

     January 8, 2006, in Tula, Russia

Magomedzagid Varisov, Novoye Delo

     June 28, 2005, in Makhachkala, Russia

Pavel Makeev, Puls

     May 21, 2005, in Azov, Russia

Paul Klebnikov, Forbes Russia

     July 9, 2004, in Moscow, Russia

Adlan Khasanov, Reuters

     May 9, 2004, in Grozny, Russia

Aleksei Sidorov, Tolyatinskoye Obozreniye

     October 9, 2003, in Togliatti, Russia

Yuri Shchekochikhin, Novaya Gazeta

     July 3, 2003, in Moscow, Russia

Roddy Scott, Frontline

     September 26, 2002, in Galashki Region, Ingushetia, Russia

Valery Ivanov, Tolyatinskoye Obozreniye

     April 29, 2002, in Togliatti, Russia

Natalya Skryl, Nashe Vremya

     March 9, 2002, in Rostov-on-Don, Russia

Eduard Markevich, Novy Reft

     September 18, 2001, in Reftinsky, Sverdlovsk Region, Russia

Igor Domnikov, Novaya Gazeta

     July 16, 2000, in Moscow, Russia

Aleksandr Yefremov, Nashe Vremya

     May 12, 2000, in Chechnya, Russia

Vladimir Yatsina, ITAR-TASS

     February 20, 2000, in Chechnya, Russia

Shamil Gigayev, Nokh Cho TV

     October 29, 1999, in Shaami Yurt, Russia

Ramzan Mezhidov, TV Tsentr

     October 29, 1999, in Shaami Yurt, Russia

Supian Ependiyev, Groznensky Rabochy

     October 27, 1999, in Grozny, Russia

Anatoly Levin-Utkin, Yurichichesky Peterburg Segodnya

     August 24, 1998, in St. Petersburg, Russia

Larisa Yudina, Sovietskaya Kalmykia Segodnya

     June 8, 1998, in Elista, Russia

Ramzan Khadzhiev, Russian Public TV (ORT)

     August 11, 1996, in Grozny, Russia

Viktor Mikhailov, Zabaikalsky Rabochy

     May 12, 1996, in Chita, Russia

Nina Yefimova, Vozrozhdeniye

     May 9, 1996, in Grozny, Russia

Nadezhda Chaikova, Obshchaya Gazeta

     March 30, 1996, in Gehki, Russia

Viktor Pimenov, Vaynakh Television

     March 11, 1996, in Grozny, Russia

Felix Solovyov, freelance

     February 26, 1996, in Moscow, Russia

Vadim Alferyev, Segodnyashnyaya Gazeta

     December 27, 1995, in Krasnoyarsk, Russia

Shamkhan Kagirov, Rossiskaya Gazeta and Vozrozheniye

     December 13, 1995, in near Grozny, Russia

Natalya Alyakina, Focus and RUFA

     June 17, 1995, in Budyonnovsk, Russia

Farkhad Kerimov, Associated Press TV

     May 29, 1995, in Chechnya, Russia

Vladislav Listyev, Russian Public Television (OTR)

     March 1, 1995, in Moscow, Russia

Viatcheslav Rudnev, Freelancer

     February 17, 1995, in Kaluga, Russia

Jochen Piest, Stern

     January, 10, 1995, in Chervlyonna, Russia

Vladimir Zhitarenko, Krasnaya Zvezda

     January 1, 1995, in Grozny, Russia

Cynthia Elbaum, Freelancer

     December 22, 1994, in Grozny, Russia

Dmitry Kholodov, Mosckovski Komsomolets

     October 17, 1994, in Moscow, Russia

Yuri Soltis, Interfax

     June 12, 1994, in Moscow, Russia

Aleksandr Smirnov, Molodyozhny Kuryer

     October 4, 1993, in Moscow, Russia

Aleksandr Sidelnikov, Lennauchfilm Studio

     October 4, 1993, in Moscow, Russia

Sergei Krasilnikov, Ostankino Television Company

     October 3, 1993, in Moscow, Russia

Yvan Scopan, TF-1 Television Company

     October 3, 1993, in Moscow, Russia

Vladimir Drobyshev, Nature and Man

     October 3, 1993, in Moscow, Russia

Igor Belozyorov, Ostankino State Broadcasting Company

     October 3, 1993, in Moscow, Russia

Rory Peck, ARD Television Company

     October 3, 1993, in Moscow, Russia

Dmitry Krikoryants, Expresskhronika

     April 14, 1993, in Grozny, Russia

 

24 Journalists Killed in Russia/Motive Unconfirmed

     Terminology explained

Vyacheslav Yaroshenko, Korruptsiya i Prestupnost

     June 29, 2009, in Rostov-on-Don, Russia

Shafig Amrakhov, RIA 51

     January 5, 2009, in Murmansk, Russia

Ilyas Shurpayev, Channel One

     March 21, 2008, in Moscow, Russia

Gadzhi Abashilov, Dagestan

     March 21, 2008, in Makhachkala , Russia

Vyacheslav Ifanov, Novoye Televideniye Aleiska

     April 5, 2007, in Aleisk, Russia

Yevgeny Gerasimenko, Saratovsky Rasklad

     July 26, 2006, in Saratov, Russia

Ilya Zimin, NTV

     February 26, 2006, in Moscow, Russia

Dmitry Shvets, TV-21 Northwestern Broadcasting

     April 18, 2003, in Murmansk, Russia

Sergei Kalinovsky, Moskovsky Komsomolets

     Date unknown, in Smolensk, Russia

Adam Tepsurgayev, Reuters

     November 21, 2000, in Chechnya, Russia

Sergey Ivanov, Lada-TV

     October 3, 2000, in Togliatti, Russia

Iskandar Khatloni, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

     September 21, 2000, in Moscow, Russia

Sergey Novikov, Radio Vesna

     July 26, 2000, in Smolensk, Russia

Vadim Rudenko, ORT

     June 30, 1999, in Moscow, Russia

Valentina Neverova, Pravo

     February 10, 1999, in Samara, Russia

Ivan Fedyunin, Bryanskie Izvestia

     March 31, 1998, in Bryansk, Russia

Valery Krivosheyev, Komsomolskaya Pravda

     September 6, 1997, in Lipetsk, Russia

Oleg Slabynko, Russian Television Channel 2

     January 25, 1996, in Moscow, Russia

Andrew Shumack, Freelancer

     July 28, 1995, in an unknown place, Russia

Sergei Ivanov, Nevskoye Vremya

     June 15, 1995, in an unknown place, Russia

Maxim Chabalin, Nevskoye Vremya

     March 1, 1995, in an unknown place, Russia

Felix Titov, Nevskoye Vremya

     March 1, 1995, in an unknown place, Russia

Andrei Aizderdzis, Who's Who

     April 26, 1994, in Khimki, Russia

Sergei Dubov, Vsyo Dlya Vas, International and Moscow Business Week

     February 1, 1994, in Novoye Vremya, Russia 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:29 | 6852848 L Bean
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^^^ BAN THIS FUCKER ALREADY.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:05 | 6853033 outlaw.guru
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Hey are you from Yale maybe? Want some free space? I don't like the these trolling posts either, but freedom of speech and all.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:16 | 6853077 L Bean
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Spam, not speech bro.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:48 | 6853573 tarabel
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Only your vote counts, of course.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 17:33 | 6853720 Brooks_Orpington
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I'm glad we found the one guy who is qualifiied to arbitrate such things.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:55 | 6853598 tarabel
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You do realize that your arrows point to yourself?

And why is it so important to silence people you disagree with?

If he is speaking riduculous nonsense, that can only make your own side of the argument look better, right?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 19:22 | 6854093 Fukushima Fricassee
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Beans make gas your full of it.,

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:32 | 6852867 Dre4dwolf
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Cmon American journalism is like complete garbage made to sell you on global warming fraud carbon taxes.

Russia Today does a pretty good job of covering shit, with a bit of a snarky pro-russia attitude and all but still mostly true stuff on RT.

 

If it wasn't for DRUDGE, RT, ZeroHedge, and the occasional non-ufo related thing on BIN, True Media would be dead.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:41 | 6852896 Zinu
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This is what happens in RT if people start to talk not in line with criminal putin regime propaganda lies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZiFErxRMg&feature=youtu.be&t=8m39s

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:43 | 6852906 L Bean
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Don't click on this Youtube.

It's a tutorial on springtime planting of root vegetable in glorious Ukraine soil.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:48 | 6852937 Zinu
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Yes, don't open up this link... if you want to be a little fu*k and fooled by criminal putin regime propaganda lies - don't look at facts, look at another crazy adress blog which is totaly credible. Don't look on facts and don't think your self - look at crazy blogs.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:00 | 6852996 L Bean
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Look, I can't help it if your dress looks crazy. You're the one who chose a tracksuit as a potato harvest uniform.

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:01 | 6853004 L Bean
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Next time should hire nice Ukraine lady tailor. She put auxiliary potato-pocket on hind end of tracksuit pant component for one potato more in cost only.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 17:58 | 6853797 tarabel
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Hey, what happened to the professor avatar?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:50 | 6852947 trulz4lulz
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Its going to be a long time before we rid ourselves of J-Trig trolls. Fucking cunts the lot of them. Traitors.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 17:34 | 6853613 tarabel
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Traitors? Agents or spies, maybe.

If they are who you say they are, it seems that they are upholding the cause to which they owe fealty.

They would only be traitors if they abandoned their own flag and started agreeing with you. 

I hear Pete Peters has his own shortwave program now. Caught a little bit of it last night on about 5.6, if you're interested.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:48 | 6852938 Dre4dwolf
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Can you name me a government in 2015 that isn't criminal?

Obama and Hillary alone have probably broken more laws than Saddam Hussein.

So what Govt in 2015 is "good" and "not-criminal"?

 

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:50 | 6852955 Zinu
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One that can be changed - not with czar for 15 years in power.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:56 | 6852972 Dre4dwolf
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Which one? because all I see in the U.S. is the same 4-8 families and friends occupying the past like 20 presidential seats.

We quite literally have a bush-clinton dynasty forming in this country, entire generations of in-bred politicians pushing the same illegal shit everytime.

The only country that comes to mind that is SOMEWHAT trying to clean up its act is Iceland, a small powerless nobody nation.

 

better off with a leader who gives a rats ass about his own people and his country than a bunch of people who just want to sit in the white house for 2 terms and play golf while their country burns and gets sold out.

This is why part of me hopes Trump wins, .... a candidate that carries a gun and builds giant American Flag poles on his land... whats more American than guns and flags?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:09 | 6852998 Zinu
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I am no defender of US two party system but Obama is no relative to Bush or Clinton - so you are fucking wrong.

Or maybe it's those NWO Anglo Nazi lizzard people that controls everything in world... except Russia under dear angel putin who just don't like open tenders for government projects and gives away those to his buddies just like that. huh?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:10 | 6853047 Dre4dwolf
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They all come from the same Ivy league melting pots, friends of friends doing blow together.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:18 | 6853078 Zinu
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Emm that is completely normal if you choose same sphere /field for your career. I don't see there nothing strange about that.

What did you expected? That someone will pop-up from nowhere without anyone noticing him / her and just like that becomes president?

But I doubt they are friends - they know each other - of course. But by word "friend" - what is your definition and how you can prove that it can be applied to them? huh?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:19 | 6853499 tarabel
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I believe his original post was about a very impressive list of dissenting Russian journalists who have suffered accidents that seem to be always fatal.

That list appears to be longer than any other list I've seen of dead journalists in any other country, particularly one at peace. I'm not sure that your response refutes that in any way.

Oh, and nice job using a government-controlled newspaper from the realm of President-for-life Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe as a source. Extra credit, for sure.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:21 | 6853098 I AM SULLY
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You are an anal-monkey Zinu, just like Obama.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:26 | 6853113 L Bean
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"What did you expected?"

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:13 | 6853478 tarabel
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Let's hear your reply in Latvian and see how close you come.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:22 | 6853099 trulz4lulz
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Exactly! Any country that DARES not have a Nepotist Facist Oligarchy, must be destroyed! Lets see here.....since (and before) the assassination of JFK, who has always been behind the scenes? The Bush family. Prescot bush made the money selling steel to the Nazis, his son Herbert Walker Bush, aptly named after Herbert Walker known Nazi Party member and finacier, began the transition to facisim during "operation Paperclip" and its been downhilll ever since. LBJ? CIA asset and operative in the assassination, GHW Bush in his cabinet as an intelligence advisor with the CIA, Richard Nixon, this one is obvious, criminal and more than complacent in the overthrow of the US Goverment, Gerald Ford, the non-president, with a Rockefeller making all the decisions, just to keep it Kosher, jimmy Carter another potential decent president that was ruined by the Bush CIA propaganda and disinformation machine. Ronald Regan, tool of the NWO and an actor of little political expertise, was very good at reading what the CiA told him to say. Vice president was GHW Bush known CIA operative and probable mastermind of the JFK assassination, known Nazi sympathyzer, he was the president of the 1980's, not Regan. The Nazi assassination fianlly gets to be president, gotta keep the circle tight. Dan Quayle is vice president, known town fool and non actor, a stooge. The CIA obviously sees the need to change some things up, allow Williaim Jefferson Blythe the Thrid; AKA Bill Clinton, to be president, Al Gore is president, well known useful idiot, son of the Tennessee chapter of the KKK Grand Poobah,  non player. Next up!? George Bush jr, instead of appointing am idiot to Vice Presedent they really out did themselves here, Dick Cheney is president, Dick has a very long history in American black politics and Cia gun running, drug running and government ovetthrowing, general bad guy, nazi through anf through. This administration ushers in the 1,000 year war known as "The War on Terror" a wholly engineered war. This administration orchastrated the doozie to end all doozies, no need to cover the details. however, this administration helps create an enourmous amout of animosity towards Muslims and brown people in general. leads to Dick Cheney profiting Billions of billions fo dollars in war profiteering and genocide. Up next. Barack Obomba, he is an interesting choice for the CIA, not without merits, as he was instrumental in running guns to the Taliban in the 80's via Business International Corporation; so it was a natural appointment for them. hand picking a man well versed in arming and training MENA terrorists is instumental to their plans...

Connect the dots. Bitches.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:36 | 6853128 Zinu
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"Barack Obomba, he is an interesting choice for the CIA"

And that is all. One guy at comment section wrote that Obama was not elected by US citizens in open legit ellections but it was CIA pick - and that's it. 

That's enough of "proof" if you - dear reader -  are an idiot. Criminal putin regime zombies are such - like this ... lady https://youtu.be/Fp3gcDV4KLM

 

ha ha  ha :D

 

I bet you are that guy at 0:26  

https://youtu.be/PDiMlO0YydA 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:39 | 6853158 trulz4lulz
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What? Listen you Latvian Nazi; I could care less, ever, about anyting you post or say to me or anyone else here. Why? Because you are a fucking Nazi!! At no point in time, will I ever consider anything a Nazi says as the truth, ESPECIALLY, since you Nazi fucks LITERALLY legalized propaganda in 2012. So fuck off, you terrorist supporting nazi scumbag.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:45 | 6853166 Zinu
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I bet you are that guy at 0:26  

https://youtu.be/PDiMlO0YydA

 

ha ha ha :D

For criminal putin regime trolls everyone is Nazi

Ukranian Nazi, Estonian Nazi, Latvian Nazi, Polish Nazi, Georgian Nazi, Turkish Nazi, US Nazi :D 

 

 

“The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists” – Winston Churchill
Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:45 | 6853174 trulz4lulz
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so Prescot Bush didnt supply Nazi Germany with steel? And George Herbert Walker Bush isnt named after Herbert Walker, known Nazi?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:51 | 6853196 Zinu
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I know  that Stalin - same person that is praised by criminal putin regime and majority of Russian - supplied Hitler with steel and other supply to create it's killing mashine army and divided Europe by agreeing which teritory will be occupied by Nazi Germany and USSR.

http://howhitlercametopower.com/how-the-soviet-union-helped-hitlers-rise...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Credit_Agreement_(1939)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

That is proved and documented fact - not your fantasies.

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:39 | 6853369 Max Steel
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A troll with distorted facts resorting to wikipedia and youtube as his credible sources. Phew! Are Latvians brainwashed from childhood in schools or are you a special case of Mental Retardness ?

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:23 | 6853510 tarabel
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Are you suggesting that the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact did not open the door to Hitler's invasion of Poland?

Are you suggesting that Russia and Germany did not draw a line across Eastern Europe through territories that belonged to neither of them and then looted and plundered the lands of these innocent peoples?

Are you suggesting that Stalin did not keep Hitler's war machine amply supplied with food, critical metals, and oil while it overran Western Europe?

Please clarify your claim that he is using distored facts.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:46 | 6853181 trulz4lulz
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“The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists” – Winston Churchill

Its sad when someone dosent realize how stupid they really are. You fucking idiot, that you for proving my point, now go shove a potato in your ass and scream Obamas name.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:55 | 6853207 Zinu
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I added comment Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:51 and you added reply to that Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:46 

:D ha ha ha ok... so hows your job at criminal putin regime troll factory? huh?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:56 | 6853218 trulz4lulz
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Ohhhh my god you're stupid.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:42 | 6853379 Max Steel
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Yup everyone speaking the obvious is a troll sitting in Moscow  basements called putin regime house workers ? Happy now , i guess you want to go for 11th new account on zh.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 17:14 | 6853629 tarabel
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Well, the constantly echoed potato meme seems to have come from somewhere. Not statistically probable that they all individually arrived at the same terminology independently. Of course, they could just be copying one another's homework rather than thinking up something on their own.

Or they could just really like the sound of it.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 15:56 | 6853416 o r c k
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An honest Government? There's one Condo Association nearby me that's not bad at all.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:33 | 6853528 tarabel
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No, I can't either. But it is not illogical for people to fear large criminal governments that are neighbors than they do small criminal governments which are their own.

Personally, I am in favor of dethroning all of them. Others seem content to leave a chosen leader intact. Just like any other cancer that starts out small and grows, you got to cut it all out rather than leaving some of it in place.

Away with Putin. Away with Obama. Away with whoever the President of Latvia is. Sound fair to you?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:31 | 6852872 nnnnnn
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putin criminal dont buy latvian potato Ha ha ha  :D

Ha ha ha  :D

wanting to sell potato to zero hedge  Ha ha ha  :D

zero hedge dont wanting to buy potato Ha ha ha  :D

crying an lot when dark getting outside  if looking out of window Ha ha ha  :D

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:32 | 6853539 tarabel
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That's a pretty damning list, if you ask me.

And your response is quite revealing as well.

Change subject immediately. Instant ad hominem attack is obviously called for.

Are you suggesting that his list is imaginary or that people who disagree with Putin get what they deserve?

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 16:53 | 6853594 nnnnnn
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its not abot the list, and i am not pro putin,

its about an individual troll

 

i criticized putin alredy several times and i know who he is

i can make a huge detailed revealing on putin

zh is ablosutely not posting about crimes happening in russia

i can cover them too

 

what do you expect me to counter you trolls (you tarabel, including) with serious arguments?

 

if you want to, i will examine zinu's lists starting with nemtsov

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 17:23 | 6853658 tarabel
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When I see a gang of bullies gleefully kicking someone they disagree with, I generally assume that it is they who are the trolls and not the one being mercilessly assaulted.

If I mistakenly lumped you into the same category as they, I am happy to withdraw the insinuation in your particular case. If you have any information worth sharing about rotten people doing rotten things, particularly in the government, I am always interested in hearing them.

And, contrary to what some people think, that invitation is open regarding all governments everywhere rather than any specially selected list. Away with them all.

You are free to think of me as you like. 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:25 | 6852846 Dre4dwolf
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This is the kind of nation the U.S. supports and calls an ally.

What kind of nation does that make the U.S. govt?

-One that promotes bloodshed, terrorism, extremism, dictatorships, banking fraud, counterfeiting, lies, deceit and all around death of the innocent.

 

All the values and good things u.s. soldiers have died for have been lost and forgotten.

 

The U.S. needs to renounce all alliances with Turkey and follow Russia into battle against the scourge of evil facing our world today.

Is it so hard for the U.S. govt to just admit it was wrong and do the right thing? is Obama so proud? so vein? so selfish that he would rather see Americans die and go poor and starve in the street than change his ways? 

 

You have these fools focusing 100% of their attention on promoting scams and fraud like "global warming/climate change" to get their disgusting sub-human billionaire friends richer/more powerful while the world is filling up with terrorists that want to kill us, but all these fucks care about is consolidating power in a nation thats DOOMED under current policy anyway for a quick buck????? wtf????

GROW A FUCKING PAIR BE A GOOD HUMAN BEING YOU FUCKTARDS.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:26 | 6852849 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Donald Trump eats kittens for lunch three times per week.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:29 | 6852857 Dre4dwolf
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Donald Trump eats kittens for lunch three times per week.

If Trump was here following the universal bro-code he would have to reply that the only pussy he eats is your Moms.

^^

 

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:45 | 6852919 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Mommy Dearest is deceased, thank God.

 

bon apitite' in purgatory, Trump.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 13:39 | 6852890 Prince Eugene o...
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Traction

His campaign has the momentum that the enemedia cannot slow or divert. Everyone paying attention knows they obfuscate and distort his message with the wrinkled-nosed disdain of politically correct liberal culture. They lather counterculture agitprop in each report without getting the desired effect. The last pol with this kind of invulnerability to the enemedia's kryptonite was the Gipper.

Sun, 11/29/2015 - 14:19 | 6853092 JimmyRainbow
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and he eats them alive and slowly, first the legs than  the jelly belly part

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