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Fourth Turning - Our Rendezvous With Destiny
Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,
In Part 1 of this article I discussed the catalyst spark which ignited this Fourth Turning and the seemingly delayed regeneracy. In Part 2 I pondered possible Grey Champion prophet generation leaders who could arise during the regeneracy. In Part 3 I focused on the economic channel of distress which is likely to be the primary driving force in the next phase of this Crisis. In Part 4 I assessed the social and cultural channels of distress dividing the nation. In Part 5 I examined the technological, ecological, political, military channels of distress likely to burst forth with the molten ingredients of this Fourth Turning, and finally in this final part, our rendezvous with destiny, with potential climaxes to this Winter of our discontent.
We are now in the seventh year of this Fourth Turning. A famous quote from the seventh year of the last Fourth Turning portended the desperate, bloody and ultimately heroic trials and tribulations which awaited generations of our ancestors. What will be our rendezvous with destiny?
“There is a mysterious cycle in human events. To some generations much is given. Of other generations much is expected. This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny.” – Franklin Delano Roosevelt – June 27, 1936 – Philadelphia, PA
Our Rendezvous With Destiny
“The seasons of time offer no guarantees. For modern societies, no less than for all forms of life, transformative change is discontinuous. For what seems an eternity, history goes nowhere – and then it suddenly flings us forward across some vast chaos that defies any mortal effort to plan our way there. The Fourth Turning will try our souls – and the saecular rhythm tells us that much will depend on how we face up to that trial. The saeculum does not reveal whether the story will have a happy ending, but it does tell us how and when our choices will make a difference.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning
The people have been permitting a small cadre of elitists, billionaire financiers, corporate chiefs, propagandist media moguls, and crooked politicians to make the choices dictating the path of our country since the 2008 dawn of this Fourth Turning. The choices they have made and continue to make have imperiled the world and guaranteed a far more calamitous outcome as we attempt to navigate through the trials and tribulations ahead. Their strategy to “save the country” by saving bankers, while selling the plan to the public as beneficial to all and essential to saving our economic system, has proven to be nothing more than the greatest wealth transfer scheme in human history. The ruling class is deliberately blind to their own venality and capacity for evil.
They commit evil acts, not for evil’s sake but to improve the world for their kind. All men have the capacity for evil, but only those with power and wealth have the ability to destroy the world in the name of their “progressive” ideology. The lust for power, immense hubris, arrogance towards the masses, and belief in utopian visions, by men portraying themselves as enlightened, have led to the deaths of millions in just the last century. The true reign of terror has yet to reveal itself, as this Fourth Turning will unleash the worst in humanity once the insipid and trivial are swept away by the cruel reality of life and death choices.
We are managed by a totalitarian regime and willingly oblige their aspirations for power, control, limitless wealth, and control over the political, social, economic, and financial levers of our society, as long as we can still facebook, twitter, text, post selfies, and generally amuse ourselves to death. Orwell’s vision of a totalitarian regime where boot on the face control, repression, surveillance, torture, and endless war had failed to materialize in the U.S. over the 50 years after the publication of 1984. The vision of Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World proved more accurate and is still the dominant totalitarian game plan today. The invisible government manipulating the unseen mechanisms of society, forming the habits and opinions of the masses through propaganda and silence about truth, has efficiently convinced the masses to love their servitude.
“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors, and school teachers. Such propagandists accomplish their greatest triumphs, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth. By simply not mentioning certain subjects… totalitarian propagandists have influenced opinion much more effectively than they could have done by the most eloquent denunciations, the most compelling of logical rebuttals.” – Aldous Huxley – 1946 revised foreword to Brave New World
As the decade’s long debt fueled economic expansion petered out at the turn of this century, with average Americans experiencing an ongoing fifteen year recession, punctuated with multiple booms and busts created by the Wall Street owned Federal Reserve, a more Orwellian totalitarianism has begun to raise its ugly boot. As the exponential increase in debt reached its zenith and economic progress for the masses stalled, the ruling class embraced Orwell’s belief that once a society built upon hedonistic principles and “good times” loses its vitality, the ruling class would need to invoke government morality, patriotic fervor towards state mandated enemies, a quasi-religious belief in governmental omnipotence, and restrictions upon the freedoms and liberties documented in the U.S. Constitution.
The 9/11 attacks marked the turning point for totalitarianism in America. Their lust for power can no longer be sustained by using suggestion to convince the masses to love their servitude, but will require the truncheon, military hardware, surveillance technology, more prisons, and physical intimidation of the masses to maintain the status quo. We are in the midst of experiencing the worst of Huxley and Orwell’s dystopian nightmares.
Fourth Turnings are not finished portraits, but a canvas upon which the colors of history are painted. The specific events, timing, duration, and outcomes are not knowable or predictable in advance, but the reaction and mood of generational cohorts to the events are predictable and consistent throughout history. Anyone who denies the dramatic mood change in the country since 2008 and the deepening crisis mindset engulfing the world is either a member of the existing establishment or on their payroll. Denial and propaganda will not reverse the tide as a tsunami of consequences will sweep away the existing social order and replace it with something different. It may be better or worse, and our choices during the next decade will matter.
Strauss & Howe pondered four possible outcomes to this Crisis:
- It could mark the end of man. It could be an omnicidal Armageddon, destroying everything, leaving nothing.
- It could mark the end of modernity. The Western saecular rhythm – which began in the mid-fifteenth century with the Renaissance – could come to an abrupt terminus.
- It could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America has come to signify.
- It could simply mark the end of the Millennial Saeculum. Mankind, modernity, and America would all persevere. Afterward, there would be a new mood, a new High, and a new saeculum. America would be reborn. But, reborn, it would not be the same.
None of the outcomes are pre-ordained. The outcome will be determined by the actions of human beings like you and me. Our choices, decisions, judgment, deeds, hesitations or inactions could impact the future course of history. Human beings are inherently flawed, susceptible to their emotions, greed, pride, arrogance, and hubris. They are prone to delusions, bouts of cognitive dissonance, herd like behavior, and a penchant for normalcy bias.
They are also inherently kind, generous, courageous and capable of great feats. The future of our country has hung by a thread during the three previous Fourth Turnings, on the snow covered fields at Valley Forge, at the stone wall in Gettysburg, and on the blood soaked beaches in Normandy. The time will come when the future of our country will be determined by the actions of a few.
One of the crucial problems we face is the inevitable fact positions of power in our society tend to be filled with psychopathic narcissists whose desire for control, ability to manipulate others into trusting them using charisma, lack of remorse or guilt for their lawless acts, and belief in their own infallibility, create a society with no moral boundaries, no truth, no hope, and no sense of right and wrong.
The psychopaths occupy key positions in Washington D.C., on Wall Street, on Madison Ave., within the military, operating the Department of Homeland Security, running think tanks, in corporate board rooms. They count amongst them media moguls, politicians, central bankers, regulators, CEOs, generals, policemen, religious leaders, and shadowy billionaires, who are meticulous in planning their crimes, with contingency plans when their malevolent deeds come unraveled.
The systematic pillaging of the world’s wealth by the chosen few is a highly organized strategy designed to offer few clues to the masses regarding its coordination, scope and malicious intent. The psychopathic ruling class is following a blueprint to enslave the masses in debt, while they fulfill their narcissistic fantasies of domination, control, power and wealth. The people are just pawns in their game of chess, disposable and interchangeable. These people give no pause in sacrificing the lives of millions to achieve their ambition of ruling the world.
We now enter the most dangerous phase of this Fourth Turning. Whether the next financial implosion leads to war or the next war leads to a financial implosion, the consequences will be far reaching and destructive. I see the chances of a unified country choosing shared sacrifice to fight a common foe as almost nil. The eight year reign of Barack Obama drastically increased the divisiveness and mistrust within our borders and around the world.
His failed presidency has left the nation significantly worse off economically, with trillions in new debt added, with more unfunded liability promises totaling tens of trillions added to the $200 trillion bill for future generations. Political, race, religious, generational and wealth divides have grown to cavernous levels, with virtually no chance of compromise or healing. The two leading candidates for the presidency, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, promise to divide the country even further if elected.
I believe the Party realizes their game plan since 2008 has failed to revive the U.S. economy, exacerbated the failed socialist experiment in Europe, laid bare the complete and utter failure of quantitative easing in Japan, and as the globalization tide has receded revealed the epic levels of mal-investment in China. The thirty five year delusionary conviction that debt could sustain consumer societies perpetually is coming to its inevitable conclusion.
As more and more debt has been required just to maintain a declining standard of living for the average household, the unsustainability of this paradigm has come into full view. It now appears the contingency plan of the Party is a global war to cull the herd, further enriching the arms dealers and the financiers of war. Politicians around the world have been tasked with stirring patriotic fervor amongst the masses against terrorists – domestic and foreign – and the new axis of evil – Russia and China.
The world is already on the precipice of war, as the situation in Syria and the Ukraine deteriorates. The requirements of alliances and treaties would require a global war if a treaty member is “attacked” or a false flag event is staged to initiate hostilities. With the Chinese economy poised for a debt conflagration destined to be the world’s next Lehman moment, the spark which unleashes an inferno of debt going bad across the globe will lead to war.
Once the Rubicon is crossed, there will be no turning back. With Europe already teetering under an unpayable debt burden, enormous unemployment, and now hordes of Muslims invading their lands from the Middle East; oil producing countries undergoing a profound negative economic shock from $40 oil; and countries dependent upon U.S. and European consumption to sustain their mal-investment racked economies; politicians and bankers see war as their last resort for maintaining the status quo.
When the dominoes of debt begin to topple, a global depression will ensue, leading to an enormous surge in unemployment, skyrocketing budget deficits, intensifying currency wars, plunging global trade, and a final discrediting of central bankers and puppet politicians around the world. Civil unrest will unfold in urban enclaves across the U.S. and around the world. The police state will attempt to crush civil disturbances, but if they go too far, a backlash from heavily armed Americans will be in the offing.
The militarization of local police will inflame the situation. If race riots in the urban areas spread to the more rural domain of white America, the animosity created during the Obama years would result in much bloodshed. The elites living in NYC, Washington D.C., and California will insist upon an overwhelming Federal response to the chaos. States occupied by more liberty minded citizens and governors may well resist Federal interference, setting in motion secession scenarios and adding fuel to the fire of civil disarray.
In the midst of economic collapse, plunging stock markets, swelling unemployment rolls, surging home foreclosures, skyrocketing bad debt losses, avalanche of bankruptcies, and chaos in the streets, how will psychopaths controlling our political and financial systems react? Their immense egos, belief in their own brilliance, arrogance, disregard for the consequences of their actions, lack of empathy for mankind, and hubris will lead them to gamble it all on war.
Any attempt to conscript young people to fight wars on behalf of corporations and bankers will potentially be met with armed resistance from people who have seen the truth, as the Deep State veil is pierced. That will leave the psychopaths with only the current volunteer soldiers, their high tech weaponry, cyber-warfare, and most alarmingly their nuclear arsenal. The toxic mixture of human malevolence, miscalculation, bad luck and technological sophistication could lead to Oppenheimer’s nightmare.
“Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”
Strauss & Howe pondered four possible big picture outcomes to this Fourth Turning. The first two are almost too horrendous to ponder, with the world destroyed in an Armageddon scenario or an end to modernity, with a complete collapse of science, culture, politics, and society. They are not the most likely scenarios, but their probability is certainly not zero. That leaves the remaining two likelihoods – the end of our nation in its current form or a successful resolution of the Crisis with a rebirth of the nation and a new High.
The reason I cannot fathom a positive resolution of this Crisis is the deeply entrenched corruption and diseased institutions controlling the levers of society. The system cannot be reformed from within and must crash, with the existing social order replaced. There is no gallant leader poised to bring the country back to its former glory. The Roman Empire lasted twelve generations, the Soviet Union one generation, and I fear the American Empire will not survive until its fourth generation in its current form.
So the question remains, what form will our nation take at the end of this Fourth Turning? Rome is still a city in Italy. The people who lived under the Soviet empire still live their lives today. The U.S. could become a drastically reduced nation state, no longer policing the world, with a lowered standard of living, less debt, less government, a currency based on the productive assets of the nation, an economy driven by savings and investment, small local banks that take deposits and lend money to businesses and people, and absolutely no Federal Reserve controlling the currency and interest rates of the country. A desperate public could also turn to a dictator who promises them even more safety and security, with the loss of all freedom and liberty. Or the country could break-up into a multitude of regional countries with like-minded values, economic interests, and beliefs.
I don’t know what the future holds for my country, my family, or the world. I do know our individual choices over the coming decade will matter. I do know we are in a fight for the survival of humanity where good people must prevail or evil will triumph. Victory will require individual and communal courage. The fight will require perseverance, determination, foresight, intelligence, and a willingness to die for the ideas of liberty and freedom.
Whether you lead or follow, the only way to bring the country back to its founding principles and restoration of the U.S. Constitution is to act with honesty, integrity, and honor. Leading by example rather than words, while setting high moral standards for your actions, will inspire others to do the same. It may not seem so at this moment, but the very survival of our country is at stake. There are no guarantees and believing God will always be on our side is wishful thinking. The glory or ruin of our country will be decided in the next decade and we will have a say in that outcome.
“Eventually, all of America’s lesser problems will combine into one giant problem. The very survival of the society will feel at stake, as leaders lead and people follow. The emergent society may be something better, a nation that sustains its Framers’ visions with a robust new pride. Or it may be something unspeakably worse. The Fourth Turning will be a time of glory or ruin.
History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:
a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
(Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, NIV)
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Quinn:
The 9/11 ZioNazi False Flag attacks mark one of the major turning points into totalitarianism in America. Any victories against their WAR AND TERROR will require that you muster your individual courage to openly face and confront the facts, terrible as they are .
If you will not lead, then follow, or get the fuck out of the way!
The only way to bring the country back to its founding principles and restoration of the U.S. Constitution is for you to act and write with honesty, integrity, and honor and quit your side stepping and dancing around 9/11Truth.
In a word, you fail to take into account your almost infinite appetite for distractions, for one example, The 4th Turding by Stress&How.
The U.S. government ZioNazis ARE responsible for creating the wave of Islamic radicals practicing their warped nazi beliefs across the globe by committing murder against innocent people. The fact remains that only ZioNazis are waging this war against everyone on the planet.
So when this so-called 4th Turding is over, and the ZioNazi survive, wtf did you accomplish and what will you tell your three sons?
Man Up, put on big boy pants and quit writing like someone suffering from Nostrodomus Effect Syndrome*
*An obsession or phobia concerning an imminent apocolypse, and/or someone who constantly warns of the danger of being swept away by disaster.
Our Rezdezvous With Destiny
SATOSHI WE ARE COMING!
shut it twat
We haven't hit the Wiemar minimum yet. When we do then it will get interesting.
I think it's disgusting seeing people equate Germans with the Jews perpetrating this theft.
Hi nidnid... did you miss teh we on "jootube"?
Simulacra, simulacram...it's a game and all the world used to be a stage, now it's a screen, hand held to boot...
Barking dogs will get airplay and airheads will beLIEve...
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2015/11/27/by-george-oh-well-war-psy-no...
I dont dislike buttcoin, just tired of the pumpmonkey. Anyways, interesting topic actually regarding the Weimar republic... The US has virtually been "seized" by "someone", but what will come of it and who will emerge as the forefather? We all know what/who here on ZH, but it would be interesting to compile a theory of sorts. Every time these "people" interfere with a host country, said country implodes.
The Bolsheviks, Weimars...
What would be our Reichstag and who would emerge as our rightful leader? With the explosion of illegals and foreign born "people" in the US I'd bet we would divide the country..Anyway just rambling (lots of coffee!!)
It does seem possible that in 2016, when a depression hits the states, that you won't be able to withdraw cash, cash out certificates, or exchange dollars to another currency. It will be the end our society.
It has happened to the Aztec, Roman, Myan, and Khmer empires. We are not special.
jb
The US will balkanize.
It's been pre-ordained in the anime of our times, in which Ghost in the Shell predicts the US would fall into 3 different countries...
http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/American_Empire
...and the video games, such as Fallout, where America forms the 13 Commonwealths.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/United_States
Predictive programming.
come shove a plug in it then Lorca baby...
WW3 is now unavoidable......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Whelp, the 4th Turd?
What are we gonna do about it?
"The Fourth Turning will be a time of glory or ruin."
The man is a prophet. /s
Here's my shot: Tomorrow you will die or live another day. Count on it.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/the-next-false-flag/
Yes. I just sent a note to Jim Webb saying all this, and anyone who gets on the net and avoids MSM can win the presidency.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/why-not-presidential-debat...
ROBERT DAVID STEELE 2016! ROBERT DAVID STEELE 2016! ROBERT DAVID STEELE 2016!
(listen folks i'm gonna be like satosh's lil' bitch with this until someone else picks up the banner)
Personally, I find the whole evolving circumstances most interesting and the more the diversity of comment, the more interesting the phenomena becomes. No doubt, the USA has been captured, just as the Hyskos captured ancient Egypt back around 2000 BCE, all of which shows that, in Principle, the cycles are in control and humanity is just as Stupid, as it ever was. 'Nothing changes but everything changes.' (paraphrased)
Just to make it clear, to those that suffer accute anxiety about events Statist vs. events Evolving, - fear death. What's to fear? Death is an intergral part of Life and without it, there would be no Life. Subjectivity is about survival. Objectivity is about observing, and learning. Without all these corrupt, thieving, stealing, murdering, lying, torturing, incompetent, morons, wimps and idiots that call themselves "leadership", elite and make up government, Banks, corporations, bureaucracy, etc., Just image how boring your existence would be in the absence of being able to learn anything about life - and death. If life was all perfect and "leadership" only loving, compassionate, honest, generous, competent, Gods of great accomplishment where at the very helm of our daily existence and direct, we clearly would not even have one generation in 'time' to meet our final moments - as Humanity, as a whole; in total ignorance and non-understanding. What a grande waste of space.
Try to come to grips that the only thing that keeps humanity from its own annihilation, that is, our mistrust of each other; we are all unique and loaded with the instinctive capacity for infinite possibility, subject only to probability in circumstances. If we wake the fuck up, that is, and use our personal resources. Sigh, but then, thinking is hard work, but then, so is staying Stupid all one's Life after birth. Oh yes, laughing causes wrinkles.
The Generational cycles are a major component in human behaviour, true, but not the only cycles of note. We know nothing and therefore, our opinions are meaningless. aindeed, there are those that would do 9/11 and make war, kill and aspire to Totalitariannism, but this, all this can be explained by Entropy and the first 3 Laws. And it is all predictable and we really do know who did 9/11 and why. Institutional Religions are no more than politicalized Power Cults that slink in and fade out. We judge too much by the length of our own Life Span. Energy cannot be created or lost. The body putrifies and returns to dust. What happens to the Spirit, the soul, the consciousness, the heart of man upon his death?
Today, and yesterday, the affairs of man are run by "rent-a-moron" actors - in the Shakespearean sense. It must be this way in order to wake humanity from its self serving slumber at the back of Plato's Cave.
http://verbewarp.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/fiat-currency-and-human-behavio...
http://verbewarp.blogspot.com.au/2011/02/economic-heresy.html
http://verbewarp.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/condensation-of-tacit-knowledge...
http://verbewarp.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/its-not-economy-stupid-its-econ...
The botton-line is really no more than: that while one stays subjected to the Laws of Physics, one is ruled by the Laws of Physics. Get over it, and formulate and then ask the right questions (you only get 3 questions.
Ho hum
Love that flag. Don't tread on me or I will fucking stomp on you.
Ya it would be cooler if teh snake had a wireless headset and a laptop in front of him though.
Coinhead, or are nickel or junk?
What's wrong with that? He could be like a customer service snake or a hacker snake, advising people how not to tread on things?
cuminbred:
S.T.F.U. !
12 weeks 6 days
'Internal Zerohedge congenitaltigator.'
"The 9/11 attacks marked the turning point for totalitarianism in America. Their lust for power can no longer be sustained by using suggestion to convince the masses to love their servitude, but will require the truncheon, military hardware, surveillance technology, more prisons, and physical intimidation of the masses to maintain the status quo. We are in the midst of experiencing the worst of Huxley and Orwell’s dystopian nightmares."
Yup.
"Any attempt to conscript young people to fight wars on behalf of corporations and bankers will potentially be met with armed resistance from people who have seen the truth, as the Deep State veil is pierced."
The sheeple need to wake up, rise, and kick some mother fucking Fed ass and bring those doomed elites to justice.
Hell, I hope my wish comes true, but I doubt any would rise and just succumb to the facts.
Funny you mention Italy because that is exactly what will happen to the United States: the Fascists vs the Socialists.
Ths USSA is a joke. The country is totally corrupt top to bottom. The more sane conservatives keep think the military is their savior and the good guys. The Evangelicals pray to Jonathan Pollard's buddy Bibi.
White American males cheer on the Trayvon thugs and Jameis rapist ball players like dumb sheep.
Freddie
John Adams, mini me Quincy A., and I, collectively query whether your IQ has achieved the "height" of room temperature. Generalizations are the mark of either a weak mind, or propaganda. Given the slant of zh, I'm opting for the latter, however in your case its also infected by the former.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
In your case the tree of idiocy refreshed by blitherings of the clinical moron.
President Obama did you read this?
Either you are complicit or you are not. The choice remains yours.
"The militarization of local police will inflame the situation. If race riots in the urban areas spread to the more rural domain of white America, the animosity created during the Obama years would result in much bloodshed. The elites living in NYC, Washington D.C., and California will insist upon an overwhelming Federal response to the chaos. States occupied by more liberty minded citizens and governors may well resist Federal interference, setting in motion secession scenarios and adding fuel to the fire of civil disarray."
WE havent seen nothin yet... and you mellinials better step the fuck aside.
Not only law enforcement but also judicial system. I think that when those at the top usurp authority then over a period of time it trickles down to the bottom.
This is what's been going on.
the only thing that really determines outome is blood. i defy anyone to show me otherwise.
"Whether you lead or follow, the only way to bring the country back to its founding principles and restoration of the U.S. Constitution is to act with honesty, integrity, and honor. Leading by example rather than words, while setting high moral standards for your actions, will inspire others to do the same. It may not seem so at this moment, but the very survival of our country is at stake."
Meh, you got it wrong this time, Mr. Quinn, by offering a vacuous plan...
neglecting urgency and controls in place, even going so far as to neglect entirely that very powerful-by-design governing body called Congress, charged with protecting the Constitution, now defunct and criminal...
but you don't even give it an honorable mention.
You are POWERLESS.
You cannot change anybody but yourself,
Good luck trying to change Washington DC.
Let me know how it works out.
It is the Constitution that got us into this mess. There is no reason to restore it.
While Quinn and S&H had/have a flair for writing for dramtic effect, I do not yet see it. I think we have some way to go before we reach that point where we have to make life or death decisions.
When? Who knows, but there are some bad things that will happen yet. Think what many went thru during the 1930s before the end was reached and it was all in island hoping to Japan or D-Day.
But nice try Jim, just a little early yet.
sschu
Can you be more specific on your opinion - months, years, or decades to go?
Timeline?
On what aspect? Beginning? Middle? End? I recall in 2001 thinking that 911 was the start of the 4th Turning and emailed S&H asking them if this was their opinion. Clearly this article states that “911 was the turning point for totalitarianism”, but there were some pretty good economic years in the mid 2000’s (due to the HELCO boom) that would put this in question. Was the Lehmann event the start of the 4th Turning? Is it a future event? Perhaps.
The 4th Turning model is useful, but is not infallible. According to the model, each “turning” takes about 20 years, 4 turnings, 80 years. But the Civil War cycle had no 4th Turning, the war started, was over by 1865 and the country moved on quickly. So the model can be useful to analyze the past, not so sure it is helpful to predict the future.
As has been stated here many times, the PTB can keep this Ponzi afloat for a lot longer than we like to think. And this is the heart of the matter, why would the Bam/Jellen/Drahgi /Abe etal handlers want to make changes right now? They hold all the cards and the longer this plays out per the status quo, the richer and more powerful they become. And the more difficult they become to defeat.
Will the “people” rise up to force the necessary changes? Are there some things that are a problem? Of course. But, I think it has to get a lot worse before this happens. And when it does, those in control are going to make it very difficult on those “people”. If we again revert to the 4th Turning model, when this time comes, we will have to decide. There is no turning back. All in. Do what it takes. Drop multiple atomic weapons on people with little compunction about their circumstance. Wow.
I just do not think we are there yet
sschu
Are you a politician or lawyer? You wrote so much and said so little, except "all kinds of things could happen and everything is possible."
You wrote in your post before:
I think we have some way to go before we reach that point where we have to make life or death decisions.
And I asked you if you could be a bit more specific, but you completely avoided answering that question.
At least it seems you read the book, now you should ask yourself some questions such as "are the turnings getting shorter or longer? why?"
And by the way clearly 9/11 was not a Turning in the model sense, as S&H also wrote several times themselves since.
I do not make predictions anymore as I have been proven wrong before when I venture out in this way. :-)
As stated, not sure the 4th Turning model works here, I find it interesting, but suspect on specifics. Shorter or longer, who knows or cares?
Quinn, if I read him correctly, is suggesting that 911 WAS the beginning of the 4th Turning. If so, that was 15 years ago and IMO we are no where near the end of the turning.
In our present case, I think we have at least 15 years left of this cycle if you subscribe to this model.
It is not like the PTB did not also read S&H (and other stuff) and are working to delay this catastrophe until their preferred time.
Me being a Christian, it may be the end of the Age is a better model. Next stop is the rapture!
What is your timeline?
sschu
Well you did make a prediction, or at least made it sound like that: basically nothing to worry about in the near future!
But now it looks like that was more public "whistling past the graveyard" by you.
Enjoy your ignorance while you still can.
No Jim never said that, even though this article of his is a bit misleading on that.
I'm not even sure if I should give you anything for this fruitless exercise, but let me state that: this current lull will end before 2020, as an outer range.
I am not sure why you are being so contentious.
The 9/11 attacks marked the turning point for totalitarianism in America.
This is a direct quote from the article above. Quinn did say that.
And yes, I do think we face challenges in the short term (less than 12 months) and there is a lot to worry about. 2020 is a long time to me. CBs still have some serious ammo to be used, however, like printing even more.
sschu
...and continue to believe whatever you want to believe!
Fuck it. Let's get this show on the road otherwise you're gona have a rope tied to your leg and be dragged to tent city at the rate of .00000000000000000000000000005 mph leaving a twisted pile of body parts in the wake.
Also, just because these elite jackasses have a 'plan' doesn't mean it will play out. Plenty of 'plans' have been destroyed in the past.
Custer had a plan!
For my 2 cents, the Maginot Line was the greatest plan ever.
Upped you. But the whole story of Custer is one of a megolomaniac. His problem was he had no respect for his life. The Lakota didn't either. Good book if you have a chance to read it is "The Last Stand"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0143119605?keywords=little%20bighorn&qi...
Merry Christmas!
The Old Man
lol...good point (and relevant) plans are great, until the first shot is fired then all hell breaks loose ;-)
You are vastly more likely to succeed with a plan than without a plan
Get on with WWIII already!!!! I'm tired of witing around! I've got shit to do!
Jim:
Great conclusion of your 6 part series!
"The only way to bring the country back to its founding principles and restoration of the U.S. Constitution is to act with honesty, integrity, and honor."
Awesome article!!
" The time will come when the future of our country will be determined by the actions of a few."
As I have said here before, it is hard to lead, it's far easier to follow. I can't speak for my friends, family or the readers here at ZH, but, I will choose to lead.
Whether I am in the many or the few, (probally in the few) I will lead to the best of my abilities. Will I make a difference? I can only hope for the best.
Will I succeed? Only to not worry about the consequences of not trying at all.
To perservere with my convictions, rather than sitting on my ass, bemoaning my fate.
A special thanks to Jim Quinn! Keep up the good fight sir, in spite of those, who may disagree with you...
I been sick as a dog, boogers, nyquil the woiks.
Stuck watching westerns, ive come to the conclusion that john wayne fucks up too much.
They steal gold dust from the war wagon, the dust mixes in with the flour in the barrel and falls off into an indian village and its impossible to sort out. Way to go.
Again, they get a story from ann margaret, dig up the gold and give it to her for a con job story about her mythical son and tons of woes. blah blah blah.
Hes cute and sweet for your grandparents, dont be john wayne. Kirk douglas would blow him away in real life over all those losses.
I would even, sorry duke you gotta go, watch your own movies and tell me im wrong.
Clint Eastwood is badass
sorry, have to ask.
Jack Stephanski
Jack Stevonich
Nooooo, its Jaaaack Stephen!!!
Difference then, Wayne was an icon. Moral and righteous perspective included. Today, well, there are only billionaire Ichans. And Soros', and Gates, and Damons. And don't let me get into the Sports figures. We're fucked people. Fend for yourselves with what little morality we have left. And pray if you like. Good luck!
The Old Man
That crappy day in Sept was definitely a kairotic moment for civilization of some kindand it can't be denied that we have a renezvous with a destiny many of us would like to ignore. There is no growth without struggle I guess, we are either going to do or die now. Actually that may not be they worst of it, we will do or wish we were dead...lol
Speaking of corruption, I saw today in RT that the Irish don't seem to thrilled and are of the belief that they are being used to traffic weapons as well. The pickaxe posse (these are two incidents) got off super easy because of the jury they had, remember when we had real juries? Not sure if it would help now anyway being that everybody is so brain dead.
"Mick Wallace and United Left TD Clare Daly used a rope ladder to gain access to a restricted area of Shannon Airport in July 2014."
"They suspected the US of carrying weapons through Ireland, a neutral country that is not part of NATO, and were arrested as they approached two US planes on the taxiway guarded by police and the Irish army."
"The pair contested charges of trespassing on the grounds that they were inspecting the planes for humanitarian reasons and to highlight Ireland’s lack of neutrality."
"Shannonwatch, a group which monitors the military use of the airport, obtained details earlier this year showing the amount of troops and weapons which came through Irish territory and airspace in 2014."
'US troop carriers and aircraft with machine guns, rocket motors, and other war material are routinely allowed to fly through Irish airspace,' read the group’s document."
Shannonwatch spokesperson John Lannon said at the time: "There would seem to be an overwhelming bias towards facilitating flights from the US and other NATO countries. How can our government claim we are in any way neutral when this is happening?"
“When we see the scale of the refugee crisis created by the use of weapons in Syria, we begin to get a glimpse of how arms shipments can impact on a region. It’s not something we should be part of,” Lannon added.
"Shannon Airport was the site of its most famous incident of civil disobedience 12 years ago when five Catholic peace activists broke into a hangar and caused more than $2.5 million damage to a US Navy plane with hammers and a pickaxe."
https://www.rt.com/news/324029-irish-politicians-planes-war/
To simply state it, it was a con job. We took the bait hook, line and sinker. Now we must pay. They conceived it, followed through, and now we are under their protectorite. Do you need someone to protect you?
The Old Man
Almost everyone I know believes in socialism to some degree. Even people as far back as the WWII generation benefited from Social Security and the GI Bill. You really have to go back to the WWI generation or before for the majority to know how to cope without government assistance in the USA. Most people tend to associate with like-minded individuals and do not have the ability to reach out to a broad spectrum of ideas. I think this is going to be a rough ride. These pockets will have difficulty to assimilate. The entire world will have a reset. Food and energy will be the measure of survival. If you pray for your neighbor more than for yourself we may all make it. If your neighbor becomes your victim, then maybe that is the end. Don't worry about punishing the elite. They need to be superceded by something superior.
Well said. Praying for your neighbor more than your self really stands out. We are our brothers keeper and only as strong as our weakest link.
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (2 Timothy 1:7)
Well as we say down South, there is only one way for the elites to stand before God and be judged, they have to be dead first ;-)
agreed. my favorite sentence from this article, " a backlash from heavily armed Americans will be in the offing. "
You can't reform a system that is utterly and hoplessly corrupt.
Just look at Judicial Watch, the Tea Party, and the Oathkeepers if you don't believe me.
Last Chance to focus on prescribed points of control and protection.
Those pretending to have an interest in protecting the Constitution, but yet neglect that simple fact are/have:
given up
bloviating
confused/ignorant
swaggering
or simply don't give a shit.
Which of the above do you suspect might help correct a corrupt Congress and protect the Constitution?
When it all falls down, via neglect, what will the above be spouting about, and what stories will they tell about how they tried to protect the Constitution?
How will they explain -- perhaps "leading by example?" -- how they neglected a neatly and painstakingly organized group of 535-gone-rogue, and rather chose to fight the world-in-turmoil instead, once the Constitution is effectively dead?
But just like "Trust No One!", "Everything is BULLSHIT!" too. How you going to fix that????
The Old Man
The bribery-infected political parasite class and their psychopathic masters have to be shorn of influence and power. They also have to understand that the American People NEVER approved of the massive accumulation of government debt and unfunded liabilities. We NEVER had a choice! In fact, we have never had any choice in elections, at least not in my lifetime.
I'm afraid I don't agree with any of this man's picks for previous crisis points in American history.
The American Revolutionary Crisis Point came when Washington crossed the Delaware on Christmas Eve 1776 in order to attack before his army's enlistments expired on January 1, 1777.
Pickett's Charge was a hopeless gesture that had no chance of success in the face of the reinforced Union II Corps backed by the entire artillery strength of the Army of the Potomac and ample reserves standing ready. On the previous day, July 2, 1863, Longstreet shattered the exposed salient held by the III Corps and went whooping forward to victory with nothing in the way. Union reinforcements were arriving to plug the gap but they would be too late. In this moment of crisis, probably the greatest single minute of peril to the Republic, it was necessary to gain enough time for those forces to deploy. The first unit to arrive on the field was composed of eight of the ten companies of the 1st Minnesota Volunteers, a total of 262 officers and men. In order to gain time for Union deployment, they were ordered to charge a force comprised of two Confederate brigades- probably ten times their size. 217 men out of the total fell in five minutes of combat, a loss rate of 82%. Their lonely charge from which, incredibly enough, 47 men returned, stole enough minutes away from Longstreet's attack so as to save the Union cause. That was the true Confederate High Tide Point. Victory seemed to be just five minutes away. By the time Pickett moved forward on July 3, the opportunity was gone, gone, gone.
In WWII, it is difficult to pick any other Crisis Point for America than that of its first day of battle. Not only was the American battle line wiped out at Pearl Harbor but Japanese forces shattered American air defenses based at Wake Island and with the Far Eastern Air Force in the Philippines. By the time of Normandy, defeat of the Axis Powers was a foregone conclusion whereas by the end of the day on December 7/8, 1941 (due to the International Date Line), Japan was master of the Pacific and was about to embark on one of the greatest invasion sweeps in recorded history. People forget that the last time that America's back was against the wall, it was the Imperial Japanese Navy that they had to thank for it.
^Enemy propaganda^
http://www.mountvernon.org/research-collections/digital-encyclopedia/art...
"Washington's decision, however, was based on strategic motivation, understanding that the Continental Army desperately needed a victory after months of intense fighting with several significant defeats and no major victories. Washington also understood that the element of surprise was the only way that he and his army stood a chance of defeating the highly trained Hessian mercenaries."
"Washington intended for the armies to reassemble and march approximately ten miles to Trenton, arriving there no later than five o'clock in the morning to achieve surprise. Despite his meticulous planning, the schedule failed almost before it even began. (Map: Battle of Trenton)"
Good eye! Nothing went as planned much then. Luck had a shitload to do with it.
The Old Man
The New York campaign in the summer of 1776 had been an unmitigated disaster. The Howe brothers had coupled crushing demonstrations of British military prowess with a very considerate carrot of reconciliation that many colonists were jumping at after the battered remnants of the once-20,000-strong Continental Army had been driven over into Pennsylvania.
Had Washington gone into winter quarters without offering battle, the American cause would have been lost. By the time that Washington retired to winter quarters in Valley Forge in late 1777, France had already decided to enter the war as a result of the American annihilation of Burgoyne's Army at Saratoga.
You are correct in your inference that I mistakenly dated this as happening on Christmas Eve rather than on Christmas Night.
I can't honestly say that the success of the American Revolution was of any particular importance, long term.
The "Founding Fathers" gave the new country some good ideas and governmental blueprints, but look at the outcome now. If the American colonies had stayed under British rule, the center of Imperial power and wealth would IMHO inevitably have ended up in mid-latitude North America anyway.
Fuck the down votes. You have a good perspective of history. But this time is different.
The Old Man
And now for the weather. Kim?
The cycles of history are very well presented in the 4th Turning and important to understand. However, the recommendations by the authors at the end, as well as Quinn, miss a critical point, which is represented by this statement near the end of the above article:
"the only way to bring the country back to its founding principles and restoration of the U.S. Constitution is to act with honesty, integrity, and honor."
Actually, the founding principles were established in the Declaration of Independence.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness... To SECURE (not limit or grant) these rights, governments are instituted AMONG (not over) men. The instant that any government goes beyond simply securing these simple and complete God given rights, they are violated. The government then becomes an evil parasite upon mankind which will only want to grow, until it finally hollows out and destroys its host society. Government at the most local level, if even that, is all that's needed to secure these rights. Anything more is guaranteed to violate them and become an evil parasite.
If an influential and vocal minority can grasp this simple basic truth, then there is hope for what is left of mankind after the massive destruction of the 4th Turning, brought on by the psychopaths who today call themselves central government, at all levels, everywhere.
The imposition of the US Constitution upon the people in the independent states did much to destroy the principals of the Declaration. The Constitution's drafting and enactment was illegitimate based upon the Articles of Confederation, plus the charter and rules of the convention that unexpectedly led to this coup de 'eta. It was born of lies and the evil intent of some in society who wanted to control and plunder all the others. The farmers and small businesses lost while the bankers, lawyers and big business interests won. We will soon have a very rare opportunity to take back our independence from the few who have been able to control and plunder the rest of society. The parasites are very near their self-destruction which should be helped along in every way possible. We must then never again allow the levers of central government power to exist and be used to destroy the Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness of anyone.
In a perfect world.
The founding principles of the USA were murder and plunder, lying and cheating, including grandiose statements like the Declaration of Independence. It will be a great tragedy if this monstrosity survives the coming economic collapse in any way, shape or form. The collapse will itslf be no less severe than the collapse of the Soviet Union, but with no historical pre-union states to break up into. Hopefully it will devolve into a few thousand political entities where the greatest threat any one of them can pose is to the nearby such units. The former Americans will then have an opportunity to evolve into something resembling human beings, instead of the psychopaths they have been since its founding.
I think 1984 was both a better book and more predictive. Agree or disagree Orwell's writings in general seem to have a lot more to say than Huxley, imo.
But its also worth considering "We."
http://theweek.com/articles/449254/yevgeny-zamyatins-dystopian-novel-21s...
This isnt complicated. When a few hundred people control the vast bulk of money, currency, property they control government and military. Controlling dissent is then primary.
The internet is unlikely to continue as it has much past the next five years or so. It may prove very useful to study alternative means of networking machines and the wonders of shortwave radio, etc.
http://www.protectinternetfreedom.com/2015/11/the-un-coming-to-an-intern...
It's been nearly 240 years. I think it's safe to say that the American Revolution is another failed attempt to change human nature, as catastrophic a failure as the French and Russian.
High time we pull the plug.
As the principle architect/engineer of the global economic implosion that manifested March 10th 2008 there is no alternative path for the Western World to take other than omnicide & Armageddon where nothing is left afterwards. Furthermore, it is preordained in so far as there is no alternative outcome possible, or probable, for America, or the European Union. The World can thank Paul Wolfowitz, and the Council on Foreign Relations, for their exceptionalism with regard to crafting the most absurd, and lunatic, policy the World has ever witnessed. And they can thank de Rothschild Bank for pissing me off.
A wise man told me many years ago that nobody can predict the future. You can take that to the bank. Some people write very well. A little mystery with the history is the stuff of entrancing fiction. It's all a guess. America's been in steep decline since 2001. The neocons are just a gasp of desperation. Nobody in the world with a brain trusts America anymore and especially since the ISIS plot was revealed. We're financially and morally ruined and just waiting on the front steps for the landlord to appear with the sheriff. It's over. The world will soon turn against America. The rising economies of the east will ascend and the world will go on. I've got beer, A1 weed and a good attitude. Just need some entertainment.
The Baron
When my stomach hits the first turning, a time of great calamity will be upon us all
When something is universally written off is sometimes when miracles happen.
The doom is strong on here NOWHERE else in the world at no time in the world have so many finally gotten the illusions of the world correctly diagnosed as seems they are right now.
It is a law of human nature that nothing changes until it must.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
When something is universally written off is the time when disaster happens
FIFY
I'm glad that's all over with... Now I can go back to my regularly scheduled program...