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Erdogan Says Will Resign If Oil Purchases From ISIS Proven After Putin Says Has "More Proof"
“I’ve shown photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products,” Vladimir Putin told reporters earlier this month on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Antalya. Putin was of course referencing Islamic State’s illicit and highly lucrative oil trade, the ins and outs of which we’ve documented extensively over the past two weeks:
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Turkey’s move to shoot down a Russian Su-24 warplane near the Syrian border afforded the Russian President all the motivation and PR cover he needed to expose Ankara’s alleged role in the trafficking of illegal crude from Iraq and Syria and in the aftermath of last Tuesday’s “incident,” Putin lambasted Erdogan. “Oil from Islamic State is being shipped to Turkey,” Putin said while in Jordan for a meeting with King Abdullah. In case that wasn’t clear enough, Putin added this: “Islamic State gets cash by selling oil to Turkey.”
To be sure, it’s impossible to track the path ISIS oil takes from extraction to market with any degree of precision. That said, it seems that Islamic State takes advantage of the same network of smugglers, traders, and shipping companies that the KRG uses to transport Kurdish crude from Kurdistan to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. From there, the oil makes its way to Israel and other markets (depending on which story you believe) and if anyone needs to be thrown off the trail along the way, there’s a ship-to-ship transfer trick that can be executed off the coast of Malta. The maneuver allegedly makes the cargoes more difficult to track.
Some believe Erdogan’s son Bilal - who owns a marine transport company called BMZ Group - is heavily involved in the trafficking of Kurdish and ISIS crude. Most of the ships BMZ owns are Malta-flagged.
In light of the above, some have speculated that Turkey shot down the Su-24 in retaliation for Russia’s bombing campaign that recently has destroyed over 1,000 ISIS oil trucks. Here’s what Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoub said on Friday:
“All of the oil was delivered to a company that belongs to the son of Recep [Tayyip] Erdogan. This is why Turkey became anxious when Russia began delivering airstrikes against the IS infrastructure and destroyed more than 500 trucks with oil already. This really got on Erdogan and his company’s nerves. They’re importing not only oil, but wheat and historic artefacts as well."
Al-Zoub isn’t alone in his suspicions. In an interview with RT, Iraqi MP and former national security adviser, Mowaffak al Rubaie - who personally led Saddam to the gallows - said ISIS is selling around $100 million of stolen crude each month in Turkey. Here are some excerpts:
“In the last eight months ISIS has managed to sell ... $800 million dollars worth of oil on the black market of Turkey. This is Iraqi oil and Syrian oil, carried by trucks from Iraq, from Syria through the borders to Turkey and sold ...[at] less than 50 percent of the international oil price."
"Now this either get consumed inside, the crude is refined on Turkish territory by the Turkish refineries, and sold in the Turkish market. Or it goes to Jihan and then in the pipelines from Jihan to the Mediterranean and sold to the international market.”
“Money and dollars generated by selling Iraqi and Syrian oil on the Turkish black market is like the oxygen supply to ISIS and it’s operation,” he added. “Once you cut the oxygen then ISIS will suffocate.”
"There isn't a shadow of a doubt that the Turkish government knows about the oil smuggling operations. The merchants, the businessmen [are buying oil] in the black market in Turkey under the noses – under the auspices if you like – of the Turkish intelligence agency and the Turkish security apparatus."
“There are security officers who are sympathizing with ISIS in Turkey. They are allowing them to go from Istanbul to the borders and infiltrate ... Syria and Iraq.”
“There is no terrorist organization which can stand alone, without a neighboring country helping it – in this case Turkey.”
That's pretty unequivocal. But it gets better.
On Monday, Putin was back at it, saying that Russia has obtained new information that further implicates Turkey in the Islamic State oil trade. “At the moment we have received additional information confirming that that oil from the deposits controlled by Islamic State militants enters Turkish territory on industrial scale," Putin said on the sidelines of the climate change summit in Paris. "We have traced some located on the territory of the Turkish Republic and living in regions guarded by special security services and police that have used the visa-free regime to return to our territory, where we continue to fight them."
"We have every reason to believe that the decision to down our plane was guided by a desire to ensure security of this oil’s delivery routes to ports where they are shipped in tankers," he added, taking it up another notch still.
As for Erdogan, well, he "can't accept" the accusations which he calls "not moral":
- ERDOGAN: TURKEY CAN'T ACCEPT RUSSIA CLAIMS THAT IT BUYS IS OIL
LATEST - Erdo?an: Russia’s claim that Turkey bought oil from Daesh is not ‘moral’, such claims have to be proved pic.twitter.com/PZka8MwzpL
— DAILY SABAH (@DailySabah) November 30, 2015
Hilariously, the man who just finished starting a civil war just so he could regain a few lost seats in Parliament and who would just as soon throw you in jail as look at you if he thinks you might be a threat to his government, now says he will resign if Putin (or anyone else) can present "proof": “We are not that dishonest as to buy oil from terrorists. If it is proven that we have, in fact, done so, I will leave office. If there is any evidence, let them present it, we’ll consider [it]."
Hold your breath on that.
And so, the Turkey connection has been exposed and in dramatic fashion. Unfortunately for Ankara, Erdogan can't arrest Vladimir Putin like he can award winning journalists and honest police officers who, like Moscow, want to see the flow of money and weapons to Sunni militants in Syria cut off.
The real question is how NATO will react now that Turkey is quickly becoming a liability. Furthermore, you can be sure that the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar (who are all heavily invested in the Sunni extremist cause in Syria), are getting nervous. No one wants to see this blown wide open as that would mean the Western public getting wise to the fact that it is indeed anti-ISIS coalition governments that are funding and arming not only ISIS, but also al-Nusra and every other rebel group fighting to wrest control of the country from Assad. Worse, if it gets out that the reason the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks until now is due to the fact that Ankara and Washington had an understanding when it comes to the flow of illicit crude to Cehyan, the American public may just insist on indicting "some folks."
Remember, when it comes to criminal conspiracies, the guy who gets caught first usually ends up getting cut loose. It will be interesing to see if Erdogan starts to get the cold shoulder from Ankara's "allies" going forward.
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What do you expect from a Turkish Lying Scum, and traitor to the free world. Nothing but scum.
It’s time for the US-led coalition to start bombing… Turkey? ;-)
Looney
Tyler- Please post a caption contest for these 2 pics of Putin and Obama. Priceless.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/obama-putin-discuss-syria-ukraine-du...
Time for a 50 mile "no traffic" zone in Syria along the Turkey border.
I hope he has a lot of red-haired communications lecturers to surround himself with.
If the Russians come looking, she can find some muscle to remove them, because she's a strong and independent woman.
The timing of this news is interesting. Only after the Paris attacks does this come out when KGB intel should have known oil was streaming through Turkey for at least the last year.
They did not buy any of that oil, they merely facilitated the transport of it to market.
See how easy that is? Just think like a sociopath and it gets easier to see the meaning in what they say.
Just like 'I did not have sex with that woman." Bill was correct, cause down where he is from, eatin ain't cheatin!
pods
pictures not good enough for your erdogan?
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-buying-oil-isis-syrian-army-releases-pho...
Deny deny deny and then make counter accusations.
What are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes. - Erdogan
Will Obama and other NATO leaders make the same pledge as Erdogan if their countries bought ISIS oil.
"Erdogan Says Will Resign If Oil Purchases From ISIS Proven After Putin Says Has "More Proof"
Psyche!!It was my understanding that being caught with evidence of money laundering and terrorist financing led to a more serious problem than a hand-slap and having to resign (to the comfort of your laundered billions...)...
But then I remembered the asymetry of the ruling class: do as I say, not as I do. And we are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
Here's Erdogan on the new job after resigning:
Now DANCE !
http://goo.gl/EeUp0h
Erdogan bodyguards in Paris push away Russian reporter asking about support of ISIS:
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/lifenews.ru/news/172668
original (Russian):
http://lifenews.ru/news/172668
Erdogan better pack his bags then, because it has already been definitively proven that Syrian and Iraqi oil has been flowing through Turkey... Oil has a chemical signature which can be traced... Oil from Syria and Iraq has already been found in the supply lines of Exxon and BP... Suck on that Erdoscum...
I am going to put this story out to my naysaying friends and ask them if it's now fair to question the offical story of 9/11. Does this change anyone's mind in that regard?
No.
I still believe WTC 7 fell down in sympathy of the Empire's false flag.
Even if a pipeline and flow meter passes through his bedroom in the palace he'll say he knew nothing about it. PoS
Turkey was Joo'ed by the Sickular Donmeh's led by Kemal Attaturk.
The massacer of the Armenian Christians' by this gang should rank as one of the worst in recent memory.
Making a most islamic state call itself sickular was a master stroke of deception, as masterful as the crypto cockroach donmehs...
Believe nothing....this game is at least 9 levels deep...
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2015/11/27/by-george-oh-well-war-psy-no...
Worst in recent memory? You've got a short memory - Ukrain, Aushwitz, Bosnia, Rwandan, Al Anfal.
Comon ORI you are usually better than this. It's man vs man baby, and man always loses
We think genocide can't happen in todays world... but
There is still the possibility to resign by missile.
...there’s a ship-to-ship transfer trick that can be executed off the coast of Malta. The maneuver allegedly makes the cargoes more difficult to track.
KURDISH CRUDE DISCHARGED IN ASIA
Over the last couple of weeks, United Dynamic and another Suezmax managed by MMS, United Emblem, have apparently discharged two more cargoes of Kurdish crude around Southeast and North Asia, according to market sources familiar with the developments.
United Emblem did a ship-to-ship transfer in the South China Sea, a Singapore-based shipping agent said. "Very few [people] want to talk about it," the agent said with reference to the secrecy involved and sensitivity of the matter. Names of receivers of the cargoes were not immediately available.
"All this is being done under the radar for obvious reasons," said a VLCC broker in Singapore. The crude from Kurdistan is available at a heavy discount while shipowners charge higher freight for moving the cargoes, he said.
Hey, Mr. Durden, you might use your ability to check out this information...
I posted several articles discussing the nature of the Brett Shipping Routes, the ships, their ports of exit/entry, and finally I found implicating evidnence to connect TC1's shipping route, the unconventional ship2ship transfer, and the hush-hush environ surrounding it.
Ataturk to the reque of secualr Turkey!
"Erdogan Says Will Resign If Oil Purchases From ISIS Proven"
And I will run around naked around the block if Erdogan resigns.
"...It will be interesing to see if Erdogan starts to get the cold shoulder from Ankara's "allies" going forward..."
Cold shoulder? For Christ's sake, Tyler... if Erdogan goes down, he's going to make damn sure his foreign backers go down, too.
In other words, Erdogan isn't simply a liability. He is a risk to the political careers of all the slime-balls who facilitated fake ISIS, and he can name names and countries. If Russia does present evidence (and there's no reason they can't), Erdogan's shelf life will go to 0 and he will have to be eliminated. Not fired or overthrown - the West and Gulf cronies will have to have him eliminated so he can never squeal on them. I give him three weeks tops if evidence comes out.
That would be my simplistic knee-jerk assumption, but we're talking Putin here. Putin will just let Erdogan know - through back channels - what he has on Erdogan and his crime family. Erdogan will protect his own interests first, so he'll have to weigh what everyone else has on him. If the threat of political damage from Russia trumps what everyone else has on him, then he'll become Putin's lap-dog. Trouble is that everybody probably has something on that slimeball, so he may do what psychopaths do when backed into a corner: go full-retard. That will be bad for everyone.
Is certain that Putin at G20 would never hinted even that G20 member state involved ISIS financing unless solid evidence has.
In KGB days was lawyer and specialist expertise international law.
Now in Paris he tells with more proof Erdogan complicity and never would any such thing saying unless the airtight case, evidence not disputable.
True, BB. Putin was never a simple field operative 'spy' in the KGB. He chooses his words very carefully just like a lawyer and diplomat. I've never heard him exaggerate or make empty threats. If he suggests there is more evidence against Erdogan, then he already has plenty of solid proof. I would love to see Putin destroy the Erdogan mafia very openly and in public, but he would never do such a low-class thing.
Erdogan is too thick-headed and hot-tempered to take the hint. It sounds like Erdogan mistakes Putin's very reserved and diplomatic words of warning as a bluff.
Turkish pride and prejudice can get in the way of common sense
I hope Russia finds a subtle way to sink Erdogans' son's oil tankers.
Pave,
I would think that Putin would have already told Erdogan what he has - and this next step is an escallation by bringing it to the fore front. Putin has been getting shoved around a lot until recently. I am wondering if this is the actual kill shot for Erdogan.
I believe you are correct, E will end up deceased before he can air the laundry, but I am also fairly sure that E has some kind of insurance policy that will drop poison pills on certain people when he gets knocked off. This is the only reason why E is not dead now - IMO...
What say ye?
The official western additude towards Putin maybe turning.
Yesterday, I saw part of the NATO Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg press conference. A rabid Ukie from "Kiev media", mumbled some Russophobic stuff and then asked two leading questions 1) What will NATO do about any hard men from Donbass showing up in Syria? And 2) Its time for NATO to give Kiev more presents. What new presents does NATO have for Kiev?
I was kind of shocked by the Stoltenberg response. First, he welcomes Russia's participation in Syria. He did get in the obligatory, 'wish they'd leave the moderate head choppers alone.' Second, the important thing to do in Ukraine is faithfully implement all sections of The Minsk Agreements. Camera pans to Kiev reporter flailing his arms around, messing up his hair, yelling ... but of course his mike is now off. All very entertaining. Maybe there is reason for optimism? Maybe the West will rediscover rational self-interest and drop the bankster lapdog agenda?
"...Putin has been getting shoved around a lot until recently. I am wondering if this is the actual kill shot for Erdogan..."
I'm not so sure I agree with the characterization that he's been getting shoved around a lot lately. I see a lot of stupid people poking the bear, but that problem is usually self-correcting. I don't think it's the actual kill shot for Erdogan. Whether anyone loves or hates Putin, you have to agree that he's a great diplomat. He will give Erdogan plenty of opportunities to save face and back down gracefully. This didn't sound like any kind of final ultimatum. Nonetheless, Russia is burying a pilot and a marine this week. Putin, like Russia, never forgets. I would hate to be in Erdogan's shoes today.
"...but I am also fairly sure that E has some kind of insurance policy that will drop poison pills on certain people when he gets knocked off. This is the only reason why E is not dead now - IMO..."
That would depend on who pulls the trigger, literally or figuratively speaking. The military in Turkey has always seen itself as the ultimate protector of the State and decides who can rule and for how long. There has always been tension between them and Erdogan and his loyal crony judges. If the military decides Erdogan's reign is over, then they will also make sure his secrets and his cronies die with him.
Turkey isn't a WikiLeaks kind of state - nobody including Erdogan is going to do a document dump of their (or the West's) dirty laundry. None of Erdogan's lackeys in the Turkish government are going to squeal about anything if the military takes him and his cronies out first. Turkish Intelligence is loyal to Erdogan, but they will simply melt away if they are able to and wait for future opportunities rather than poison the well on their way out. That's the way it always works. Loyalty is usually dependent on a regular paycheck - I can't see Turkey being any different in that regard.
The West, Israel and the Gulf States would make sure that their interests are protected. They already probably have secret agreements with either Turkish Intelligence or the Turkish military. And they seem to be pretty good at managing the spin on anything that does get out. It's easy to do when you own the MSM. None of the sheeple pay attention to conspiracy theories on alternative news sites. Those are easily dismissed by the MSMs government mouthpieces.
Thanks. Great comments and insight.
BK
+1
Ahhh, someone who understands the Turks +1
I really appreciate your posts.
"Will Obama and other NATO leaders make the same pledge as Erdogan if their countries bought ISIS oil."
The Obama administration pursued a policy in Libya back in 2011 that ultimately allowed guns to walk into the hands of jihadists linked to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) and al-Qaeda (AQ) in Syria, according to a former CIA officer who co-authored a report on behalf of the Citizen’s Commission on Benghazi (CCB), detailing the gun running scheme says Clare Lopez, a former CIA officer and the primary author of CCB’s interim report, titled How America Switched Sides in the War on Terror, speaking with Breitbart News.
“The Obama administration effectively switched sides in what used to be called the Global War on Terror [GWOT] when it decided to overthrow the sovereign government of our Libyan ally, Muammar Qaddafi, who’d been helping in the fight against al-Qaeda, by actually teaming up with and facilitating gun-running to Libyan al-Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood [MB] elements there in 2011,” explained Lopez. “This U.S. gun-running policy in 2011 during the Libyan revolution was directed by [then] Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and [the late Libya Ambassador] Christopher Stevens, who was her official envoy to the Libyan AQ rebels.”
To avoid having the funds tracked back to the Obama administration, the arms flow to Libya was financed thru the United Arab Emirates, while Qatar served as the logistical and shipping hub, she noted.
“In 2012, the gun-running into Libya turned around and began to flow outward, from Benghazi to the AQ-and-MB-dominated rebels in Syria,” Lopez added. “This time, it was the CIA Base of Operations that was in charge of collecting up and shipping out [surface-to-air missiles] SAMs from Libya on Libyan ships to Turkey for overland delivery to a variety of jihadist militias, some of whose members later coalesced into groups like Jabhat al-Nusra (al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate) and ISIS [also known as IS].”
“The downstream consequences of Obama White House decisions in the Syrian conflict are still playing out, but certainly the U.S. – and particularly CIA – support of identifiable jihadist groups associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, Jabhat al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Sham, the Islamic State and other [jihadists] has only exacerbated what was already a devastating situation,” declared Lopez.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/30/benghazi-commission-o...
Would NuttyYahoo?
If the the purchase of bootleg oil by Turkey from ISIS accusations are proven, then Erdogan said he will resign. That can only mean that Barry has told him to fuck off.
"Obama's Natural Gas War"
"What did you expect, He's a Kenyan Oil man ya know"
The Juice in the media stopped with most of their Presidential "reporting" strategies after Bush left, didn't they?
NATO isnt going to do shit to Turkey.
The sole reason Turkey is allowed in NATO is their location and potential to blockade the Bosphorous Straights.
The same reason Greater Israel wants to control the Suez Canal and the Red Sea.
Location, location, location.
It may have already...
TURKEY BLOCKADING RUSSIA FROM DARDANELLES; BLACK SEA FLEET COMPLETELY CUT OFF
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/587
https://youtu.be/THUBOVREsTs
A video that seemingly bolsters Russian claims of Turkish government complicity with the Islamic State
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chilling-video-shows-nato-member-state-...
By international law, Turkey can only legally block the Straits from a country's shipping/navy if it is already at war with that country or it has been threatened (militarily) with aggression. Blocking passage of Russia's ships or navy today would be illegal, but more importantly it would be tantamount to an act of war against Russia. Turkey would have to seize or fire on Russian vessels to stop them - this hasn't happened. Any blockade would be top news on every shipping publication, especially those dealing with Mediterranean maritime traffic. It has been reported on exactly zero of those sites so far.
All reports of a blockade seem to link back to a single Alex Jones InfoWars claim. They are misinterpreting the legal meaning of 'threatened with aggression' in the Montreaux convention. And InfoWars is (once again) mis-interpreting the real-time maritime tracking data. Russian [RU] flagged ships are approaching and leaving the Straits at both ends, and they're certainly not flying over it. Either Russian ships have turned off their transponders, or the tracking sites have chosen to black out identification of certain shipping in Straits for security reasons. They did the same thing in the Gulf of Aden/Red Sea area right after Saudi Arabia started bombing Yemen.
In any case, Turkey has not declared war on Russia, nor has Russia declared war on Turkey. Nobody is blocking the straits.
Thanks. So why listen to Alex Jones?
fat fingers!
When they deliberately overlooked Turkey's oil sale for ISIS, US/NATO thought they had Turkey in the palm of their hands and would use it as a leverage over Erdogan...until Russia spoiled their best-laid plan.
"See how easy that is? Just think like a <strikethrough>sociopath</strikethrough> lawyer and it gets easier to see the meaning in what they say."
ftfy
Government's will topple once TRUTH is out. Imagine Obama's War Criminal Administration dealing with actual Truth.
You need one more ingredient OldPhart. You need economic turmoil to cause people to take a renewed interest in their reality. But never fear. That missing ingredient train left the station already. Could arrive any time now.
Considering how NATO has already been hanging Turkey out to dry on this, I'm sure McCain is working more photo ops with IS heads...and over thier victims.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/30/politics/john-mccain-lindsey-graham-isis-s...
I only made it through two minutes of those two delusional warmongering freaks.
The US is doomed with people like McCain and Graham getting any coverage at all in the MSM. They want and support a full scale invasion of Syria. How is that a viable and workable strategy looking at Afghainstan, Iraq and Libya.....fuck me.
McCain and Graham lie like Erdogan and Erdogan lies like Trotsky.
Wow, they're amazing. "Assad barrel-bombing and slaughtering his own people" etc. And their wish for a massive NATO and local-force army right under Putins nose. And ofcourse we can force Putin out by sheer force of numbers.
I wonder if BOMB BOMB BOMB, BOMB BOMB Iran ever made the top 10 ? A fitting epitath for McCain.
Erdogan and NuttyYahoo bomb their own people all the time. They use US bombs though.
Lindsey Graham encourages women to become lesbians.
Timing is everything. Before the West officially declared the "IS" the enemy, whose existence is a threat to the West, any such news would have been brushed under the carpet as Russian propaganda. Now they can do no such thing.
Wait for more interesting revelations to come from Russia. This is just the tip of the iceberg and Turkey is a minor player.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189385.html
Right, Putin released this information when it would have the greatest impact for his purpose rather than right away. That's not a revelation to anyone.
What was her name? Click? Glick? Dick? Any relation to Jiminy Glick? I wonder if she is of Irish extraction. An odd last name for an Irish lassie.
Affinity fraud bust. Like John "HorseFace" Kerry-Kohn-Cohen.
"Erdogan has a US passport and plans on hiding in a 'safe' place with his billions"
U thinkin' more like Rothschild's Blvd in Tel Aviv? or the Lincoln bedroom?
More like NYC. Turkish leaders have been coming over here to the best hospitals in NYC for years. He has a penthouse in NYC waiting for him no doubt. BTW when are they going to move the UN to Yemen where they can honestly do the world some good for a change?
Hezbollah can cover that rat's nest in rockets now...not safe enough.
A US passport .....?
I am sure the IRS will be very happy to hear that, I'll call old Erdo and tell him to fill in his tax forms now.
A US passport .....?
I am sure the IRS will be very happy to hear that, I'll call old Erdo and tell him to fill in his tax forms now.
Funny how that works. You are confusing little people with big people. It would really be hilarious if the IRS went after Erdogan and his clan for not paying US taxes on all the millions made from selling stolen Syrian oil. We could put Lois Lerner on it.
"Time for a 50 mile "no traffic" zone in Syria along the Turkey border."
That wouldn't be helpful and would serve to complicate the matter; also, you'd inconvenience and kill civilians/innocents...
"Of course they (Muslim Terrorists) pray to a false God, otherwise, they wouldn't be killing innocent lives" - Goerge W. Bush
Funny ol George would tell such a truth,
but of course leave out the fact that the christians and jews also prey to the same egregore
You kind of kill the joke when you need to roll out an explanation. Of course it's a joke. The irony. George Bush kills innocents --> George Bush prays to a false God - In his own words. Before any members of the predominant American religion get too bent out of shape, if you make the assumption that Dubya prays to the same God you do ... I mean for all we know, Dubya prays to Satan.
"Dubya prays to Satan"...nope, Dubya's on his "personal journey" with Christ...check it twice...he didn't say "anti-Christ"..but that could just be the Devil trying to trick us...sugn.
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So the next terrorist attack in a few days? Only YOU can stop the Joo World Order.
I'd say 3 months max in Europe, just in time to renew state of emergency here in France.
Here's an interresting chronology of elections and strange attacks in France. The title is "Chance or shock doctrine ?":
http://www.lelibrepenseur.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Chronologie-Att...
Please post a caption...
https://twitter.com/RabbitsChasing/status/671505776645550080
You left the seat up ? Cool Thanks
If looks could kill
Or this one of kerry and Assad
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/kerry-assad.jpg
"I see vith you levt hand you play the pocket pool meester Obama"
If we attack Turkey, it's a NATO situation, in which case we have to send troops there to defend Turkey from ourselves.
Long military industrial complex
I fail to see the problem with your logic. That is standard, normal US foreign policy.
Policy run brought to you by the team at the Onion.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/the-next-false-flag/
It is time for the US to come home and stop bombing people. We need to clean the Israeli-neocons out of our government, along with the very many people who supported them in the 9/11 False Flag operation or who knew about it after the fact and have not revealed their knowledge.
We have treasonous criminals in our government, we should be outraged at what they have done in pursuit of power and what they now continue to avoid the noose.
If you have a plan, I'm here to listen.
I gotta agree. Name names and level some charges. Otherwise it can't be worse than Pelosi saying they had to vote for it to see what was in it.
Here's an interesting intel brief given on UFO's but also has amazing documentation of historic events that were manipulated so that our understanding of what has happened is obscured.
He gives info (with documentS) of Marilyn Monroe as well as Bill Colby.
http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2015/11/dr-steven-greer-how-secret-gov...
I have a feeling that destabilizing Turkey was part of the plan all along. No need to bomb the country. It will probably descend into civil war, creating another unstable neighbor for Russia.
The Erdogans seem to be doing a rather spectacular job of destabilizing their own country.
If Turkey becomes unstable to the extent that passage through the Bosphorus would be threatened. Russia could wind up back in Constantinople, just to protect their legitimate rights. Zibignew would have a coronary.
From Looney - "It’s time for the US-led coalition to start bombing… Turkey? ;-)"
Surprisingly the US State Dept came out today and said the US has confrrmed that the Russian jet did violate Turkey's airspace. But they will not disclose how they determined this.
So, what has happened that the US is now supporting the story from Turkey when before it seemed they were agreeing that Russia did not violate the boundry?
Does Turkey have some leverage?
How did the US determine that Russia "invaded" Turkish territory? They made up the info, like they normally do when it is needed.
"It’s time for the US-led coalition to start bombing… Turkey?"
Too late.
To do so O'Bama would look like a black mini-me.
"I have got picture
Shopping at Sams Club the other day...dude was the spitting image of Putin; I almost High-Fived him!
ISIS converts Oil to Cash in Turkey.
ISIS converts Cash to Weapons FROM>>>>???
Who is selling ISIS it's weapons?
Russia? I doubt that?
Who else could supply 100's of millions in military weapons and basketball shoes?
C'mon Putin!...follow that money trail...Where's ISIS spending all of that cash?
ISIS doesn't buy weapons, they get them for free. This money is going to the Clinton Foundation most likely.
What dealership provides all the white toyota pickups? There must a chain of possession on those vehicles.
Well now that we've discovered that they're the 'ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS' types, you'd think they'd have switched to coal fired CHEVY VOLTS by now ~ Sheesh!
RA, you may really be onto to something with that remark.
r
https://enronnext101.wordpress.com/
Wake up firebrander...
Knock-off military weapons and all basketball shoes come from CHINA !
Terrorists use AK-47s...that a commie weapon...same things you Russians use
BSI?
Benghazi Spooks Inc.?
By the way the upcoming movie about benghazi looks to be exactly what youve come to expect from Zollywood.
Funny, how when you follow the terror "money trail"...it leads to our "allies"....Turkey, Saudi Arabia...While our "enemies" in this "War on Terror" are largely people responding to our assualt (beginning with Iraq) using funds supplied by our "allies"...fucked up...where's the PRESS!
Where’s the PRESS ... ? Damn good question right there.
Embedded ... In Bed With ... Double-dick-spit-roasted ... Pull-it-sir? Prize winning blood-soaked, cowardly cunts.
Or something like that.
[Off Topic, Tyler please forgive me]
I've mentioned my Uncle Ray: USAF Veteran of WWII, Korea and Viet Nam.
I'm currently assisting in a fund-raiser for Honor Flight-Inland Empire.
Any donation would be appreciated.
https://givebigsbcounty.razoo.com/story/Honor-Flight-Of-The-Inland-Empire
I personally know a number of WWII vets. One of which is my Uncle Ray.
As the Greatest Generation rapidly dies off, most have never seen their own memorial, and most could never make the trip unattended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E7GLdYhm3s
OP, sympathies to your deceased relative, but knock it off with the Larry King Greatest Generation nonsense.
He says he'll resign if more proof surfaces. In other words, he wants more whistleblowers to come forward in order to be apprehended and executed. Kinda like free speech zones in China.
Well it just so happens that I'm in one of those right
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Or in the US, when the authorities and/or "anti-racists" go through the parking areas recording people's info while they're being "bussed in," to the "free speech zones."
What is this "free world" of which you speak?
Step down? Can't recall the last time a dictator voluntarily stepped down......
But now he can say that he offered to step down but his people rallied around him. Kinda like a sacrifice for the good of NATO. He's a REAL man. My hero. A man among men. A man's man. A Marlboro m -- (uh, I have to go vomit----- - -
Can he just resign anyhow? It would make the world a better place.
How can you tell if a Muslim is lying....they are talking!
Take us to church Putin......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Shoo spambot.
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what do you expect from lying turkey...to this day they deny they committed genocide on the Christian Armenians & Greeks. why would they stop now? it's in their DNA to lie, and commit horrific acts like ISIS. they will never change, i don't understand why their still in NATO....just carve up the land, giving it to the: Armenians, Greeks, Bulgaria, and the Kurds.
Erdogan has much more to fear from the U.S. than from Russia. Let us assume, for a moment, that as postulated in this essay Erdogan and Son have a working relationship with the U.S. as regards IS oil marketing - for the Turks to do it and the U.S. to look the other way. That would not surprise me in the least. But should Vlad keep beating this - The Turks are an international pariah - drum and more public suspicion that the U.S. is complicit arise, then Erdogan would cease to be useful to the U.S. Foreign leaders who become an embarassment for the U.S. tend to die in office, if you get my drift. Watch your back Recep, and for godsake don't ride in a car with your son until this blows over.
Turkey took the blame. But who really did it? >> https://goo.gl/qazI3V
I read the content in the link, but the logic is completely unconvincing. It also misrepresents events reported. Turkey claimed its F-16s shot down a military jet of unknown ownership for violating its airspace even before Russia acknowledged its SU-24 went down.
Israel, while would be thrilled to see Russia leave Syria, is not stupid enough to believe that it can shoot a Russian plane on Syrian territory and not face any consequences. Russia is not afraid to name Israel enemy and even destroy it if it comes to that.
The SU-24 was downed by anti-aircraft fire from the ground, as Russia initially guessed. Russia had already shared the flight paths with the US, which would have passed them on to Turkey who would have leaked them to the Syrian Turkmen brigades. It would be impossible to down a supersonic jet from ground without having the radar tracking system or adavanced knowledge of the flight and its path. Turkey took the blame because the alternative would be to acknowledge that they supplied the Syrian Turkmen brigades with the anti-aircraft weapons and the flight paths of the Russian jets that Russia supplied the US. That is a far worse thing to admit or allow being concluded than to claim they shot it down for violating the Turkish airspace.
Turkey is doing the West's dirty work. Sure, they are lying scum, but those are the minimum credentials needed to be part of alliance of the lying psychopathic scum of the West that calls itself the "free world".
Deep man, really deep.
"I have got a picture from space". Interesting? What is this "space" you refer to? Outside the firmament you mean....? BWAAHAHA. Russia is complicit in the biggest lie ever told. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzUgKZ8m2k
The earth is flat. NASA = LIES!
Welcome to fight club!
Praise be to God!
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Circle of the Earth.
Round.
Occupy Turkey
Next!
"Occupy Turkey"...no you doof! They're our allies! We're only talking a couple hundred million here, small change, and a lot of that goes to the "good militants" that are our "friends" in the battle against the evilness of Assad.
Up Vote: If you think that's sarc
Down Vote: If you think I'm serious.
Liberate the part of Turkey that is west of Istanbul, and return it to the Greeks! Also, liberate Istanbul and make it Constantinople again.
I have had that long-shot pegged for about 8 months now, ever since I read something that said the spark for WW3 would come from Greece. Looking around the map, it seems to be quiet around there....except for Turkey, where fighting has occurred between the parties.
Greece breaks from the EU, joins BRICS, invades Turkey with Russian armaments, and reclaims Constantinople.
Ok, but Greece and who's army? Not sure Greece has the population to pull that off (11 mil vs 70 mil ish)
Well ok, when you throw real numbers at it, it does not look viable.
"The real question is how NATO will react now that Turkey is quickly becoming a liability"
Hahaha, oh, you!
... full EU membership.
Always double down.
The interesting thing to watch is what happens next because right now it's paying for itself by selling illegal Syrian oil but when the flows really stop - those who want ISIS and to topple Assad have to pony up other wonga or risk loosing their footing in Syria. As the saying goes, follow the money
Yellen, line one.
Turkey was on "NATO Double Secret Probation" apparently....................
I wish the german parliament would mount a revolt against Merkel for her sucking Erdogan's dick... I mean, she's openly friend with an ISIS supporting POS... not to mention she wants all those isis supporting scumbags to join the visa free EU. LOL
The real question is - where is the junction point for NATO playing - Erdogan - versus Erdogan is actually playing NATO?
Ill bet Putin is trying to figure it out as well
Oh no, Erdogan must be wondering what a hell has just hit him. He thought himself as a chef, instead he is a item on the menu. Thanksgiving Day, let's have some Turkey. That's what happens when you overplay your hand with guys who play a bigger game. He will resign allright.
I think Erdogan just "gary harted" himself. We just have to sitback and wait for the "monkey business" pic to hit the Internet.
Vlad credibility, up. Turkey credibility: lost.
At least someone out there has the balls to do what's needed.
Putin should just keep on killing those terrorist scumbags and pissing off all those who support them.
Fuck 'em and fuck Turkey too.
I wouldn't go sucking Vlad's dick yet...this is simply infighting among elite factions. ISIS/Turkey is siphoning revenue from the Syrian/Russian gangsters, so the Russians put a stop to it. The East/West thing is just pure spin.
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Well, well, well... Bring you famously on your ass.
The statements from Erdogan resemble Porchenko in the way the denials are phrased and so over the top
this still may be NATO talking
"To be sure, it’s impossible to track the path ISIS oil takes from extraction to market with any degree of precision."
I don't know much about oil, does it have a chemical "fingerprint"? Could one actually determine the origin with enough precision that way?
It's not impossible. In fact that used to be exactly what HUMINT case officers did. Send a team to photo record the initial handover, and then send the bean counters to make their bankers beg for a proctologist, and do the same for each subsequent transfer to another party. Then once the entire chain is documented and all the involved parties identified, someone has to figure out whether there is more benefit to shutting down the operation observed, or blackmailing/flipping the parties involved...
+1 in the greater scheme of things, all this is another reason for German recon Tornados to fly over that border and area
And yet neither John Brennan, nor Jürgen Setzer, much less their nominal superiors, will EVER be called before an oversight body to perform their best Louis Renault impersonation in regards to the actions of all these individuals over whom they posses great leverage.
This is what we all get for repeatedly entrusting amoral persons with positions that demand both ethics and a strong moral compass. The ends inevitably justify the means.
Go deposit $20,000 cash into any Western bank anywhere on the planet and just watch how easy it is to "track with a degree of certainty" who you are and where that money came from.
Total BS.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TRACK the path of ISIS oil! The mother fuckers shouldn't be allowed to get a fucking quart of it out of the ground let alone haul it and sell it! It's a fucken desert! NO WHERE TO HIDE!
Uncle Scam spies on every damn thing under the sun yet they no nothing about any of this.
/yeah right