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Turkey Arrests Generals Who Stopped Syria-Bound, Weapons-Laden, Spook Trucks
If there’s a silver lining to last Tuesday’s downing of a Russian Su-24 warplane by two Turkish F-16s it’s that the world is now starting to scrutinize President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Even to the uninitiated it seemed strange that a NATO member would shoot down a Russian fighter jet over an alleged 17 second violation of Turkish airspace. Why, one wonders, would the democratically elected leader of one of the world’s foremost up and coming emerging markets decide, out of the blue, to become the first member of the alliance to engage a Russian or Soviet aircraft in more than six decades?
The answer to that question lies in Ankara’s covert dealings with the various rebel groups fighting the Assad regime in Syria.
Turkey’s support for some militias (the Turkmen fighters aligned with the FSA for instance) is not secret. However, there’s no shortage of speculation that Erdogan is also allied with less “moderate” forces including ISIS. The PKK for instance, has long accused the government of maintaining a cozy relationship with Islamic State and there are all manner of reasons to believe that Turkey has at various times facilitated the flow of fighters and weapons to ISIS (see here) and served as a critical link between the group’s lucrative oil operation and global crude markets (see here and here). Now, thanks to last week’s plane “incident”, this has been laid bare for the world to see and Erdogan is not happy about it.
Now that AKP has regained its political supremacy (thanks to a farce of an election Erdogan engineered after AKP lost its absolute majority in June), Ankara has renewed its crackdown on undesirable journalism. As we reported on Friday, Can Dündar, editor in chief of Cumhuriyet, and Erdem Gül, the newspaper’s capital correspondent in Ankara, were arrested last week on charges of spying and aiding and abetting terrorists.
In reality, Dündar and Gül exposed Turkish intelligence’s role in providing weapons to extremists operating across the border. Here’s WSJ with the summary: "The charges center on a Cumhuriyet report in May, including photos and video, suggesting Turkish intelligence was secretly ferrying weapons to extremist Syrian rebels. The article sparked a major furor in Turkey, which has long been accused by its critics of secretly aiding in the growth of Islamic State militants based in neighboring Syria.” Here’s the video:
“The footage shows gendarmerie and police officers opening crates on the back of the trucks which contain what newspaper Cumhuriyet described as weapons and ammunition,” Reuters reported at the time, adding that “witnesses and prosecutors have alleged that MIT helped deliver arms to parts of Syria under Islamist rebel control during late 2013 and early 2014, [according to] a prosecutor and court testimony from gendarmerie officers.”
For his part, Erdogan claimed the trucks were carrying humanitarian aid for Turkmen groups (presumably the same FSA-aligned Turkmen groups who executed a Russian pilot last week). The President then hilariously accused a bevy of officers and prosecutors of being part of a “parallel state” (with ties to Fethullah Gülen) determined to bring down the government.
As Reuters went on to detail, the trucks were eventually allowed to pass after MIT officials threatened the police."Don't treat me like you have captured a terrorist," one of the men told a gendarmerie officer who had handcuffed him.
The contents of the crates: 1,000 mortar shells, hundreds of grenade launchers and more than 80,000 rounds of ammunition for light and heavy weapons.
Here's where the trucks were intercepted:
Given that the battle for Aleppo (which is still going on today with Iranian ground forces advancing on the city), was raging at the time the trucks were stopped, and given what we know about FSA's ongoing presence in the city, it seems fairly obvious that the weapons were bound for the Free Syrian Army. Indeed, Erdogan hedged his "humanitarian aid for Turkmens" story, telling supporters over the weekend that "those who revealed the transfer made the world hear about these trucks by stopping them and checking what they were carrying. Then they said the government was sending weapons to terrorist groups [in Syria]. In so doing, they revealed all the humanitarian aid that was going to Bay?r-Bucak Turkmens. They also exposed those going to the FSA in that way."
Of course funneling money to the FSA is dangerous enough as we saw last week when the 1st coastal brigade destroyed a Russian search and rescue helicopter with a US-made TOW, but it's not as though the FSA (they're "moderates" don't forget, despite the fact that they fight alongside al-Nusra) were alone in Aleppo when these MIT trucks were stopped. Here are two maps which show the ISIS presence in the city on 01/05/2014:
As you can see, there's no telling who these weapons were intended for which, presumably, is why the gendarmerie sought to stop the shipment.
Not satisfied with having imprisoned the reporters who broke the story, Erdogan moved on Monday to arrest the officers involved in the stop. Here's the official story from state-run Anadolu Agency:
A court in Istanbul has ordered the arrest of three senior army officers, including two generals on charges of espionage and leading a terrorist group in a case involving the search of Turkish intelligence trucks in 2014.
The court made the ruling on Sunday.
General Hamza Celepoglu was accused of forming and leading an armed terrorist organization and of trying to overthrow the Turkish government. General Ibrahim Aydin and a retired colonel, Burhanettin Cihangiroglu, were accused of forming and leading an armed terrorist organization as well as spying and trying to oust the Turkish government, according to Istanbul prosecutor Irfan Fidan.
The three suspects were called to an Istanbul courthouse on Saturday as part of an investigation involving the search of trucks belonging to the Turkish intelligence (MIT) in 2014.
In January of that year, several trucks were stopped by the local gendarmerie in southern Adana and Hatay provinces on the grounds that they were loaded with ammunition, despite a national security law forbidding such a search.
So let's just be clear about what's going on here, because it would be a shame if the absurdity was lost on anyone. In January 2014, MIT loaded up some trucks with weapons bound for militant groups operating in northwestern Syria. Those trucks were stopped at the border by police who were subsequently threatened by intelligence agents who accompanied the drivers. Erdogan has now charged the officers with "forming and leading an armed terrorist organization," when in fact they were doing the exact opposite. That is, they were trying to keep several truck loads of weapons from reaching armed terrorist organizations.
As you can see, there are no limits on what Erdogan will do to suppress dissent and cover up Ankara's role in implicitly supporting terrorism by arming militants in Syria.
It's worth noting that the FSA has become nothing more than a kind of catch-all excuse for flooding Syria with weapons. As al-Jazeera reported earlier this month, the group is beset with defections and "nowhere is [the dissatisfaction] more apparent than in Aleppo, where many FSA soldiers are leaving the group, citing inadequate pay, family obligations and poor conditions." Still, the media manages to portray them as a well-organized group of battle-hardened, "moderate" warriors who have a very real chance at battling the Russians and Iranians to a stalemate (they've rejected Russia's overtures regarding teaming up to fight ISIS) on the way to negotiating for a transition away from the Assad government. This characterization allows Washington and its regional allies to justify the hundreds of millions in guns, ammo, and funding that to this day flows into the country unimpeded. Whether or not all of that goes to the FSA or the Kurds or whether, like Erdogan's MIT trucks, it all could be going to the very same groups who organize and execute attacks on Western civilians is an open question that will likely never be answered.
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Fuck you Erdogan, you must be shitting your pants by now. Putin is at the door.
Who do they think they are? They turn on Russia, they turn on NATO...I suppose it's a no-brainer for isis-supporting turkey.
My money is on Russia/Putin.
birds of a feather
Most westerners don't have a clue who Erdogan is, or what he is trying to do. Once you do a little digging, it seems like he's got a few screws loose. Except of course for the fact that he seems to be accomplishing what he set out to do: re-establish the Ottoman Caliphate. Given that that is ISIS' goal as well, it is pretty obvious that they are working together. At which point he starts to look like a dangerous Islamic psychopath.
From ten months ago:
The Many Reasons Why Erdogan Is Reviving The Ottoman Empire And The Coming Caliphate"After ISIS, what’s next and who will finally contain it? Will the U.S. succeed in crushing ISIS or will it simply be encompassed by a much bigger dog? And where will this Caliphate story end, or better yet, mushroom into an uncontrollable phenomenon.
We have maintained, that ISIS will never produce the ultimate Caliphate. Two decades ago we trumpeted that the Islamists of Turkey will revive the Ottoman Empire and today we remind, that you have seen this happening right before your very eyes and the evidence is mounting by the day.
And we warn that the next 4 years, this revival will be completed and ISIS will be encompassed under the wing of the Ottomans. Today we see this dead man of Europe beginning to stand up and we estimate that the next four years will be significant and things will move quick."
http://shoebat.com/2015/01/20/many-reasons-erdogan-reviving-ottoman-empi...
It's also more than that: Turkey is broke financially. Erdogan turned on Russia because the country is insolvent - literally. Next step for Turkey is a civil war or coup because Russia has time on its side, which Turkey does not.
Shooting down the Russian jet, when the Russians informed NATO exactly where they would be flying, is an obvious display of desperation and intentional provocation, which Putin is too smart to fall for.
Once the Russians/Syrians/Hazbollah/Iranians/Kurds seal the border between Syria and Turkey, ISIS will die. It was such a stupid move by Erdogan to shoot down the Russian plane, an act of desparation. Now Russia has the "no-fly" zone, not the NATO "safety zone" they were trying to set up. If NATO had their way, then this safety zone would be the springboard for terrorist supply lines/funding for quite some time. No chance of that now.
Checkmate bitches.
Banzai is right. Look further back and you will see that Erdogan was banished from politics by the army way back for advocating Islam extremist positions. Once he wiggled his way back in, he has been working towards the Caliphate and it doesn't appear that anyone, or any law is going to stop him.
He dreams of being the head of the Caliphate and built his new home for $615 million for just that purpose. The question is who will be the strong man that takes over the lead of the Islam horde? Erdogan certainly is in contention, at least IMHO.
President Erdogan is a USSA stooge....the equivalent to the USSA stooge who was dropped in the Ukraine coup.
The 'moderate' FSA and Turkmen were responsible for the execution of the Su-24 as he descended under parachute - a war crime? If so, presumably it is now only a 'moderate' war crime which makes it OK.
Erdogan is a gangster. I respect him, in that he is out in the open with it.
Except Erdogan has been purging the Military and replacing them with fellow travellers. Although I doubt unlike Obama, the new leadership ranks are filled with Trannies and peter puffers
Obama is panicking that he can no longer protect ISIS east of the Euphrates: Raqqa, Syrian Panhandle/Syrian Kurdistan. If the Northwest corridor is sealed off and Obama/Hollande are too chicken shit to do weapons drops now that the S-400s are in place, how will ISIS get their weapons drops?
My true hope is that Putin exapnds the bombing runs into Iraq. Force Obama to cry and whine some more. I love when Obama whines.
Prevent Erdogan's attacks on Iraqi Kurds.
I agree but think that a more compelling reason was payback for the Russian bombing (without the 45 minute warning) of the oil trucks.
Seems readily apparent: those were Turkish trucks, Turkish drivers and Bilal Erdogan's profits going up in black smoke.
The reason why Obunghole gave 45 minute warnings? Putin shamed him into having to attack the convoys. Bombing sand dunes and Syrian Gov't granaries weren't going to cut it any longer.
That warning was to let the Turkish drivers get away even if the trucks and oil went up in flames.
The buy in for Turkey supporting ISIS (An Obama/Mossad enterprise) was that they got cheap oil out of the deal as a bonus/payoff.
Not anymore. No doubt that the coordinates for the shoot down came from Obama. The F-16s were lurking in the area and the Central Asian "Turkmen" were on the ground waiting to pick off any survivors.
NOtice at the Climate Change Kumbaya how Obama couldn't look Putin in the eye. Putin had a little twinkle in his eye
http://nypost.com/2015/11/30/obama-putin-dont-make-eye-contact-in-chilly...
Wish Volodya would give that prissy string bean a judo flip
Like antibiotics, mankind is becoming resistant to peace.
@ Buckaroo Banzai:
I can't pretend to know everything about Erdogan, but I sure as hell wouldn't trust him around kids. He's got the pedo-smile.
For the record, I hope Putin gets serious and wipes those fuckers off the map.
Germany sure as hell doesn't need Turks. They're shitty people. Always were. Always will be.
Putin forgot what his ancestors learned a long time ago... never trust the turks.\
Reminds me of that famous line in The Godfather II: "Your father did business with Hyman Roth, he respected Hyman Roth... but he never *trusted* Hyman Roth!
Had to downvote you for linking to the fraud Shoebat, who appeared on the American televangelical scene after 9/11 as an obvious anti-Arab operative.
This is getting comical.
My money is on a coalition of Turkish Generals for a Coup de etat - the coordination will be by Russian Agents
My money is on a coalition of Turkish Generals for a Coup de etat - the coordination will be by Russian Agents
His Son needs a bullit quickly
Time is soon for Turkish military to make a choice: loyal to Turkey or loyal to Erdogan.
Must choose one. Can not be both.
Say 'Hello' to Kurdistan:
Russia is facilititing a coalition between Syrian govt. and Syrian (and of course Turkish) Kurds in the battle against Shaitan.
Blowback is a bitch
If that is true, that would be Christmas come early for me
There may not be enough of them left. There have been periodic purges in the police and military since Erdogon first came to power.
And the depth to which he has filled the govt ranks and important positions with relatives and loyal associates has been underestimated (according to what others have posted about him previously). This would include the judges and prosecutors.
Remember, not too long ago he was caught, in recordings, planning a false flag event in Turkey to be blamed on Assad.
He is in a stronger position that most think. And his actions indicate a willingness to take bold actions, including brutal ones, - that he has impunity from prosecution, has plans to change the constitution to make his control legal, and is impatient for events to unfold.
Many of his actions in Turkey are mimic events in the US. Including terrorist acts, aiding terrorist, internal intelligence system and control, changing of the constitution by legislation, corrupt prosecutors and judges, using the power of the govt agencies to crush key opponents.
His actions, excuses and demeanor make you wonder if he is not just obsessed with power but is also a little unstable (maybe a drug user also).
Erdogan: "Either you are with us or you are against the terrorists."
Lawyers, guns and money will fix everything.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGhd53hV0Z0
Putin should arm the Kurds and bomb the ISIS oil trucks, oil depots and roads/bridges leading to Turkey. No more ISIS oil for you!
Putin should declare a "no truck zone" on all Syrian roads leading to/from Turkey.
Putin should cage match Obama Hollande Erodagan and bitch slaps the whole weasel gang all at once.
I'd pay to see that event......
Putin should cage match Obama Hollande Erodagan and bitch slaps the whole weasel gang all at once.
Can I play too? What Putin needs to do is start bombing runs against ISIS in Mosul and WEst Central/Ramadi/Fallujah Iraq. Only b/c Obama told his latest IRaqi puppet Haidar, "you better not let Russia bomb Iraqi ISIS"
Roses are red
Violets are blue
This is all a Zionist shit show
For the benefit of psychopathic Joos
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm
That is an article worth reading as it outlines a number policy objectives that form the backbone of the current US policy in the MidEast.
That article should be required reading on ZH.
A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria.
Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite.
Only a handful of ZH'ers had even herd of Clean Break before last week, myself included.
Who posted that?
Johnny Horsecock?
And this is the Oded Yinon Plan (full text within the article). No interpretation nor analyses of the ME is complete without this IMHO. Greater Israel does not stop between the Nile and the Euphrates IMHO. 'G*d's Chosenites have a battle plan for the World. Full Spectrum Dominance is a published doctrine, the hidden hand signed it 'US Military' however.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...
Israel WARNS Erdogan >> http://bit.ly/1SpGAhB
Only because Israel had plans for the Golan Heights and that doors was slammed shut. Israel always had the luxury of bombing Syria without repercussions, With S-400's on the ground and Russians pilots in the air, Israel must be furious. Lol
EU and NATO sell out and now leading to......yes you guessed it......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
I've been thinking about all these reports of various US goverment departments (like Hoover dam security) "stocking up" on ammunition. But maybe that's just a lie and the US is sending this shit to the ME.
I mean it's just a bit strange that a lot of the footage I see of ISIS they have m16s and m4s. They drive our vehciles, shoot our guns, fly our drones. This is fucked.
Yes, they're running out of guns and ammo to send, thus the big push to get ours...
Yeah, the bad guys used to carry old, beat up AKs. Now they're all sportin' new ARs. What's up with that?
The only thing "strange" is that the Americans sit on their collective asses, night after night, believing whatever bullshit happens to roll off the TV, instead of burning down the offices of Congress until they move to seize the assets of AIPAC, label all members AND contributors as terrorists, then have them expelled from the country. The problem with expulsion is the little bastards always come back stronger.
Next term I will be old enough to run for President. My only campaign promise will be to place all AIPAC members in a shipping container, and bury it.
"“witnesses and prosecutors have alleged that MIT helped deliver arms to parts of Syria under Islamist rebel control during late 2013 and early 2014, [according to] a prosecutor and court testimony from gendarmerie officers.”"
Those Boston nerds sure do get around...
The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is in league with the Free Shit Army. It's got Chomsky's fingerprints all over it.
What is MIT, Military Intelligence of Turkey?
MIT is Turkey's NSA
LOL - at least 4 people not that bright - certainly not MIT grads ;-)
Ok. So the invasion has already started by the opposing super-power.
The justification for it was the impending shoot-down of the SU-24, which was revenge for the F4 phantom shoot down. Turkey is behind the curve on its geopolitical aspirations.
But the Russians are in place to impose a no-fly zone.
I don't think the Russians want a no fly zone. I think they want some turkeys to come across so they can have roast duck.
This guy Erdogan is showing strong leadership qualities. Stalinistic leadership qualities.
meglomaniac who misses the old Ottoman Empire
see the palace this fuckhead built for himself? that alone says it all....
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/09/08/inside-turkeys-presidential-pala...
Europe sure supported him with 3 billion
Europe gave him more than $3 Billion -as well as some 2 Million from which to draw an army from as those 'refugees' have no rights or opportunities that Turkey doesn't explicitly offer or grant them...
Wrong.
The communists who control nato moved billions among members for MOAR military gear to give to the FSA and to arm their security guards aka police, whilst bringing in fresh terrorists who can leave their passports fully intact affer they explode themselves next to jewish temples.
I mean, jews don't own hollywood.
They don't have crisis actors.
They haven't been seen in false flag attacks.
Thats just....tinfoil hat whackoism.
I just watched season one of The Man In The High Castle. The premise is that Germany got the bomb first, and hit DC(oh, the joy), resulting in the American surrender. Now, Germany controls from the East to the Rockies, and Japan from the Rockies to the West coast, with a Neutral Zone between the two. They give you that in the first few minutes.
The series is ok, not great. It really took a down turn when I realized it is another vehicle to invoke sympathy for persecuted Chosenites.
The line that stuck with me the most was "If Germany and Japan had not won the war, the world today would be run by Semites."
Erdogan needs a Bullet to the Temple. Nuff said
Erdogan is on course to suffer the same fate as Musolini.
But before that he will commit a lot of unsavoury acts.
Buckwheats for everybody!
Things to do in Turkey when you're dead.
"....that the world is now starting to scrutinize President Recep Tayyip Erdogan."
Hey come on be fair.
Leave the EU out of "the world" , they just sponsord a couple of billions.
The insanity is becoming increasingly insane...
As is Erdogan's very dangerous paranoia.
The deeper question is why both the Wall Street journal and Reutars is posting such anti - Turkish information at the moment..
Turkey has embarked on a Keynesian military expansion this year (Witness a doubling of Jet Kerosene Consumption)
If it does not do this it awaits the Greeks fate.
Who benefits?
Northern European powers have decided that Turkey is more useful for their fuel waste / usury business model dead rather then alive.
Turkey will go Greek soon.
Its large oil and gas consumption will flow elsewhere.
Ious
I guess Erdogan is getting a lot of money from Rothschild, et al to facilitate the oil out and the weapons in. Not only would he miss the money, but he would also be in hot water with the zionists if he let the trade be stopped.
There are so many things wrong with that statement...
I used to read Tom Clancy, James Rollins, Steve Berry, Wilbur Smith, and others for tales of intrigue, fantasy, heroes, and stupidity by the bad guys - but now I just read ZeroHedge!
Truth is stranger than fiction.
Standard Disclaimer: Just stating the fucking obvious to even the most casual observer.
I bet you did not know that Tom Clancy is the great great great grandson of Nostradamus.
WoW! Barking Cat, that is interesting, who would have ever thought it?
I thought he was a test tube product.
Hmmm all of those great-greats must have lived a very long time....
Nostradamus Century 1, Quatrain 70:
Rain, famine and war will not cease in Persia;
too great a faith will betray the monarch.
Those (actions) started in France will end there,
a secret sign for one to be sparing.
Probably a rush to get those spook trucks across the border before Russia shows Obama how to really close a border.
I suspect Turkey is very close to a military coup.
That is a pleasant thought.
I tend to agree more with Scott Creighton's analysis. Seems like this is a military coup. This is worth a read. >> Remember “Sledgehammer”? Is Someone Preparing Turkey for Yet Another a Military Coup? https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/remember-sledgehammer-is-someone-preparing-turkey-for-yet-another-a-military-coup/
I suppose Erdogan will be exiled into a gravy job at Goldman-Sachs.
Not Tayip Erdogan himsef, but his son Bilal will fill in the job application.
Putin's meeting with Netanyahu at COP21 in Paris. Not much eye contact when talking...
Putin looks right through this turd ball and sees a terrorist as well.
It takes one to know one
Putin is no saint
hard to tell that to the white trash here though
Putin - relaxed, sitting well back in his seat, listening, making assessments...
Nutty - agitated (talking with hands), nervous, sitting on edge of seat, talking to floor...
Who is the starving Yugo salesman, and who is the wealthy fleet owner?
Man, Richard Gere has let himself go...
Toooooooooo much Gear, kk!
The Erdogen syndicate is finally revealed as the true face of the Daesh.
Shut down the Turkish Border and ISIS/"Terrorists" in Syria dries up. Refugees can then go home. Doubt USSA will allow this injunction to occur. Again, who are the "real" terrorists?
Hopefully ISIS then moves along to Saudi Arabia or Isreal to continue their fun. Don't think anyone would give a shit with that migration.
Hopefully ISIS then moves along to Saudi Arabia or Israel to continue their fun.
You evidently don't get it. ISIS is a creation of the CIA/Mossad. Its purpose is to further the Zionist plan to take over the entire Middle East. Syria is the next step. Iraq was the previous step.
See "The Hidden History of Zionism" by Ralph Schoenman
www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/map.htm
You assume they are going to do what they are told....like good citizens.
No. They build a huge wall to protect themselves from the flesh eating zombies that they created.
hello, mcfly...the creators tell them where to go attack, which is why the creators never get attacked.
turkey doing it's part for the alliance of chaos, creating a crisis in Russia -- one that puts the focus on how the Putin gov't reacts -- soon to be followed by another attempted "colour revolution", somewhere in Russia. (?) You see, the focus has never left Russia, that is still the objective. Russia stands in the way of full sunni hegemony in the ME. The sunnis are US/Israeli allies now, thanks to Genital Betrayus and the "surge" that was in fact an american capitulation. Knock out Russia and the door is wide open. The ongoing crushing of democracy in turkey is just window dressing.
Then why did Saddam Hussein get taken out???
He was Sunni who had a very unfriendly relationship with Iran's and kept his boot on the throat of Iraqi Sunni majority.
"Becuz he attacked my pa." G. Bush
It wasn't Saddam so much - he was collateral damage really. It was the entire country - they were too modern, wealthy, and upwardly mobile, and as such, were more of a threat to israhell, than they were to Iran. The last straw was when Saddam began to think for himself, rather than do as he was told.
for questioning the petrodollar racket
just like khaddafi wanted to address the usury racket.
the operators of those rackets declared him a dead man and no amount of pleading for exile would help them.
+1488
Turkey's dictator looks like Hitla. Most likely geneticaly modified clone
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/c1-copy1.jpg
Here is dicatator in full parade
http://www.frontpagemag.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2014/07/HBFi2F6f...
BTW. V.V.Pyakin said that there is deep conflict between government and military in Turkey and this was one of the reasons why Su was downed = to get Turkey into big conflict. Also said that SU-24 was downed by US military not Turkey's.
He's morphing into an Adolf Hitler look-alike more each day ;-)
Former U.S. Marine Ken O'Keefe On Fire Over Paris Attacks; This Type Of Broadcast/YouTube Content Will Likely Be Censored In America Soon
-- Eric Dubin, Managing Editor, The News Doctors
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=551933
Erdogan is a Muslim. According to our conservative friends, Muslims can lie to further their goals.
Now a Muslim is a friend?
The Crimean Khanate/Tartars were a vicious set of Slave Traders ( Zionist Money Lender financed ) pillaging and brutally rounding up the the Slavs. 2 million plus slaves ( Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Poles, some Russians . . . . ) were traded with the Turkish Ottoman Empire.
This is Erdogan's Mindset.
More ruthless than the Houses of Windsor & Orange.
Russia finally kicked them into touch. History Repeats.
With a NATO ally like Turkey, who needs enemies?
sure would be sweet for the generals to turn on edrogan and side with russia as the keeper of the mid east in a syria, iran, iraq, lebanon and turkey alliance against the zionazis. that would be a putin checkmate in the region with nutandyhoo soiling himself with incontenence caused by fear.
Mouth-watering probability/prospect besnook. Nuttyhoo , erDOGan and Abe exchanging Diapers at Ambassadorial Soirees/Functions.
Note to Russia - bomb anything that comes in from Turkey.
Wouldn't it be lovely .... if Erdogan went .... and Assad stayed .... I'm not a particular supporter of Assad .... but, I know the Jihadists are pure evil .... and represent Islam .... as it really is ?
WW III .... the World .... against Islam .... we are the World .... we are the children .... la, la, la .... LOL ?
Fuck Turkey!
With these trucks being accompanied by MIT guards, I'm surprised the gendarmerie officers lived long enough to open the crates of "humanitarian aid" for inspection.
you do not want to piss off the secular military in Turkey, especially if you're an islamo fascist wahabist like Erdogan
He purged the army. Fired some, forced others into retirement. Just like Obama did in the US.
FSA? There is no FSA. Even US Generals admitted that the FSA is five men! All of a sudden Syria is full of moderate FSA!
Turkey fucked themsleves. Russia is now setting up a total country wide air defense using mobile missile and radars systems of the highest quality in the world. Add to this Russia announced they would move top of the line electronic warfare systems into Syria. Russian fighters would carry the latest electrnoic warfare packages. The S-400 missile system is mobile, can get going in 15 minutes from the first command. Radars are both mobile and some are passive, giving no electronic signal to target. When the Russian SU-25 went down, Putin sent in the big guns. Now Syria has an ability to knock down half the Israeli Air Force in one day. They can begin to hit Israeli planes as soon as they clear the tree lines of their air fields.
I wonder if there was an agreement between Obama and Putin to neuitralize Turkey
Remembering Obama's famous miked message to Russia's president before O was re elected
Say O suckers Turkey into shooting down plane with a monetary bribe. perhaps a billion or 2 in aid
Turkey takes it and now bam
no fly zone, a turkey shoot for Russia
I am seeing the land bridge to the ME Russia has wanted for a long time
It has been known by some for many years that Obama has Commie ties
The I am your enemy between O and P may just be a charade for us mortal fools
The latest rumour is the Russia has started groundwork on a second airbase near Homs, NE of Damascus. If true this will place its protective S-400 SAM system right in the heart of the country giving cover into Iran, Iraq and Saudi. Another game changer ready for the Syrian declared no fly zone.
A couple of minor points JB. It was a SU-25 not 25. Also the limited number of SAM missile rounds probably deployed todate would make a dent in the rather large IAF but a long way from half. As well as being limited by radar shadow areas masking many IAF airfields, making their aircraft invisible until they are up a few thousand feet.
Even the few FSA left who haven't defected to Al Nusra cannot agree among themselves. This article says
"they've rejected Russia's overtures regarding teaming up to fight ISIS" but I saw an article last week that claimed some FSA members were giving bombing coordinates to the Russian military. The FSA increasingly acts as if it is a State Department fairy tale rather than a real force on the ground.
Yes,JB the Golden rule in any conflict is to acquire the appropriate permissions from the Sovereign to engage in military activities. The illegal, clandestine invasion by NATO members and the Suadi/Qatar/Turk shenanigans in supporting various foreign mercs, like Deash is criminal and if the UN were anything other than a proxy for NATO then all this skulduggery would cease.
Agreed, but even the Germans are now claiming that their projected feet on the ground next year will be covered by Article 51: Right to self defence.
Lot can happen in the next 30-60 days. Let's see if the German people fight back against this jackboots in the quagmire nonsense.
They will be needing their army back home soon.
I smell coup within a month....Erdogan and regilous radicals have gone too far! Eygpt, Pakistan and Turkey have a long history of the military stepping in when the regilous nuts get out of control
If so the Turkish military will be doing it against the wishes of Neocon Obama. In Egypt the Muslim Bros were anathema to the Neocon agenda. So Lurch Kerry called in the coup from his yacht in the Mediterranean. In Turkey Obama is hand in hand with the Islamists.
What could be a deal breaker is if the Turkish military refuses to invade Northwest Syria which looks immenent.
If the Kurds in the East prevail and the Iranians help seal off Aleppo under cover of Russian bombing, ISIS can't come and go anymore. No more 10 dollar oil, no more "Sultan's Trail" weapons and intel back and forth. ISIS destroyed in the Syrian panhandle by the Kurds.
Next thing that will happen: Putin starts bombing ISIS in Iraq.
Has Peace Prize and his poodles in France and UK bombed ANYTHING since Putin moved the S-400's in? Bluff was called and met.
Erdocon is a woman.
This asshat Erdogroin sounds a lot like our own Bath House Barry... wonder is HE likes to smoke bones too?
"As you can see, there's no telling who these weapons were intended for which, presumably, is why the gendarmerie sought to stop the shipment."
HEY! How about some actual data and info! This article goes on to "suggest" that Turkey is supllying ISIS. Then the article says there is no way to know where the weapons are going. So if there is no way to know where the weapons are going -- how can you say itS ISIS?
Kangaroo court. Look it up.
Does it really matter which terrorist group they were going to?
I mean, they're all terrorists.
Then why isn't Putin bombinbg ISIS?
Not sure how you would know that unless your paymasters are saying so. Putin is bombing ISIS oil convoys and they did threaten to blow up Russia recently. That suggests to me that Putin is bombing them.
you mean there was a military coup in Turkey in the workings, again? no way!
Erdogan comes to Paris, is received like royalty. His PM signed a deal with EU for 3 billion Eur subsidy to control immigration flux to Europe.
He has obtained, thanks to Mutti, that the whOle question of Turkey joining EU should be reopened. In that he has US support.
So the NAto axis invites Erdogan into EU, conceding he is KINGPIN in reigning in the Syrian refugee influx, with an additional bonus of joining the EU club down the road if he delivers (Germany has a large turk community)!
Now that is what the Franco Ottoman alliance was all about 5 centuries ago!
EU is now using neo-Ottoman Turkey to be bulwark to re-stabilise the ME away from the rabid petromonarchies; along the Turkish-Iran historical axis.
The Sauds and others will now be marginalised and bled for their resources by being loaded with arms they can't use on their own. Some Western stranglehold worthy of Clemenza of Don Corleone.
In the inevitable kneejerk to avoid this garrot they will try and move to an energy alliance with Chindia...Saud can still bring the fragile debt laden USD down to its knees...So the debt conundrum has Pax Americana and Saud sitting in the same boat. Some irony there!
Thats called Renaissance diplomacy.
The West returns to Neo-feudal Oligarchy, as in Renaissance days and recognises that IN ORDER NOT TO REGRESS FURTHER TO THE DARK AGES (of Armageddon) IT NEEDS TO STABILISE THE ME CAULDRON AROUND THE TURKISH/IRAN DIVIDE OF OLD.
The past returns with its seven league boots on its feet while the industrial world looks at the dystopia the hyper-industrial age has now created on the planet.
Climate change is something else that makes geopolitics look like the GAME OF THE PYGMY.
Welcome to the true challenge of the new eco-dystopian age and paradigm change.
Seems like Syria and Russia should just set up customs stops at every Syria-Turkey border crossing. Easy, right?
Open up every box coming into Syria, confiscate all incoming weapons and send them to Syrian troops.
Confiscate every oil truck leaving Syria into Turkey, then have someone drive the truck to the nearest oil depot or refinery in Syria.
Actually, I don't even understand why bombers are necessary. Surely both Syria and Russia know where all Syrian roads are. Right?
Especially since unlike in Donetzsk, the Turkish humanitarian trucks are full of weapons. I think the noose is tightening: If they can grind out Aleppo with the SAA, Hezbollah and Iranian soliders backed by Russian bombers and the S-400s. Then if the Syrian Kurds can push out from the Panhandle, ISIS will be trapped and starved. They'll have to fight their way out south through West Central Iraq (where the Shia milita will be waiting) or Mosul where hopefully the Iraqi Army is better prepared to take them on this time.
Putin expanding strikes into Iraq has to be imminent when ISIS abandons Syria. I think I read Jack Burton say that another battery of S-400s are coming that would make it very difficult for the US, UK and France to fake bomb ISIS East of the Euphrates will in reality taking out Syrian gov't assets: granaries, water plants, electrical grids
You know, some multi-millionaire (or billionaire, or Iran, Syria, Russia) should buy a few million cheap toy drones with cameras and film everything.
Well everything in those portions of Iraq, Syria, Turkey where the funky business is happening. Then they need to hire a few hundred video editors to assemble dozens of videos [per day] that definitively demonstrate how USSA, NATO, Turkey are in fact "terrorist entities" that create, arm, fund, sponsor and direct terrorist organizations like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and so forth.
Of course this is what new media should be doing, but all official media has been 100% co-opted by the predators-that-be.
Is this why Obama calls the terrorists ISIL instead of ISIS?
Apparently some of the Irish believe they have been used in Syria games as well. They must still have a decent jury system because they have commited sabbotage and gotten off pretty easy. I am sure they are in line to be Greece before long so they wont get off the hook forever.
https://www.rt.com/news/324029-irish-politicians-planes-war/
Turkey is a terrorist state.