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Greeks Told To Declare Cash "Under The Mattress", Jewelry And Precious Stones
When earlier today we read a report in the Greek Enikonomia, according to which Greek taxpayers would be forced to declare all cash "under the mattress" (including inside) or boxes that contain more than 15,000 euros as well as jewelry and precious stones (including gold) worth over 30,000 euros, starting in 2016, we assumed this has to be some early April fools joke or a mistake.
After all, this would be merely the first step toward full-blown asset confiscation, conducted so many times by insolvent governments throughout history, once the government cracks down on those who made a "mistake" in their asset declaration form or simply refuse to fill such a declaration, thereby making all their assets eligible for government confiscation.
It was not a joke.
Here is the take of Keep Talking Greece, whose stunned response mirrors ours.
Cash "under the mattress" totaling more than 15,000 euro, jewelry and other valuable items such as diamonds and gemstones, should be declared to electronic system of tax authorities, Taxisnet, as of 1 January 2016. Next to properties and vehicles and shares, now the taxpayers will also have to declare their deposits. And not only that. They will have to fill if they rent bank lockers and if yes, also the name of the bank and the branch, even if abroad.
A joint ministerial decision issued by the Ministries of Justice and Finance indicates that taxpayers in Greece should add all their valuables into a new category of the tax declaration, the “Assets declaration.”
Specifically, the decision provides that:
“Assets declarations” are submitted electronically and mandatory via Taxisnet.
Starting date for the submission is 1.1.2016
Declared must be cash money if more than 15,000 euro and precious items if their total value exceeds 30,000 euro. These amounts apply cumulatively per household (husband, wife, underage children).
To facilitate the completion of the declaration, data from the income statements (E1 and E9) will be drawn automatically.
Note that this Assets declaration process will initially apply to lawmakers, journalists, public servants etc and is the rehearsal for the creation of the electronic property & assets register that will be extended to all taxpayers.
The new assets declaration form has a total of 56 pages.
The decision has been taken “in the context of support and development of the economy,” the ministers state.
Some thoughts
First of all, the ministerial decision will certainly support and help to growth the noble profession of accountants.
How can a bride know the value of the jewelry her parents-in-law gave as a wedding gift?
If the retail price of X valuable item was 10,000 euro in 2005, what is the value today?
And what will happen if one will not declare his assets? The tax authorities will raid the home and search under the mattress to find grandma’s ring?
Are you kidding me, Greek Syriza state?
PS we should note that this assets declaration was in plan before SYRIZA came into power. Not sure about what minister promoted this, I vaguely reckon it was form New Democracy. Or most likely it was a Troika’s idea in order to grab the so-called ‘black money’ that starts with 15,001 euro in cash and diamonds worth 30,001 euro.
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At least they still have the euro.
My tragic boating accident took all my wealth down to the bottom.
The tooth fairy leaves me a couple Eagles and Liberties on the pillow from time to time.
i been using the same tooth for 47 years. Tied a fish line to it so's i always reel it back in to go fishing for more dollars now and then.
My tragic boating accident
A moment of silence please...
OK......that's enough.
Your records show I purchased what and when?
See, here, officer. This is a copy of the newspaper advertisement for the yardsale I had where I sold those guns, jewels, and coins for cash that I spent on taxes and health insurance premiums. You know how it is? Here is the tax receipt.
Sorry, sir. Nice armored car! Stay safe during all these confiscations.
Have a nice day!
I have to now pay tax on my precious stones?
That is kind of sexist.
pods
Am I sexist for saying Merkle is a bitch?
Having the EURO is their biggest problem. They missed the grexit train and going back to drachma, devalorizing it and skip on paying the banks back.
Now they're fucked. Greek STYLE. And no oil around to use as lube. Just scratchy sand, rocks and some dirty migrants if that helps in any way.
http://goo.gl/wbvm16
The Tiny Dot...pass it on to the Greeks...maybe they will wake up and hopefully so will America and the rest of this fucked up world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C93jS_CQ50
So they're asking for a voluntary bail-in of Sealy Savings Banks? Call me shocked!
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
This is just like the gun registries, anyone dumb enough to get in the database obviously has no idea of it's real purpose.
Interesting how they never tell the truth about the so-called gun show loophole. (The truth being that the only way to 'fix' it is registration of all weapons.
If those greek folks don't rise up and throw the bums who support this treason in the pokey, they deserve what they are about to get.
I love forms with a lot of places to write in zeros!
I am sure the compliance participation % of the Greek Citizenry will be worse than the tax collections %.
Whne the Greek politicans hand over their Secret Swiss bank accounts, then the Greek people will hand over their mattresses.
Nice to know sneaky Greeks can hide their money in Bitcoin and crypto-currency! Crypto is teh tax-haven of teh 21st century!
This is the same land of the of Spartins? Hell, even Mericans would be buring shit down about now.
Texas, Northern Arizona, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota.
All are looking mighty free right now.
Do I have to register my 125m megayacht? Or the 12,000 sqm villa on Santorini?
As Clemenza would say. "It's time to go to the mattresses."
Our printing press says you owe trillions in capital gains for not having your savings devalued with the rest of everything... now be a good citizen and bend over for 'the investors'!
Haha.. Greeks are such amatuers at this. US authorities have laid the groundwork for confiscations without need for real justification. They have the legal power to confiscate just about anything they want and then enjoy some margaritas.
Do you realize that most of your posts here tend to discredit bitcoin users/investors?
Just askin'.
Any bets that he lives with his parents?
Did he trash the family Thanksgiving Day dinner table?
I don't think this is a confiscation set-up...but I've been wrong a lot in my life, and I often overestimate the human spirit.
But this may be the Eurocrats who want an idea of how big the barter economy could be if they can determine how much portable, non-trackable, easily transferable wealth is sitting out there. If the greek people on their own just decided to start using silver, or copper or 1/10th of an oz gold pieces for currency then the EUro would be screwed.
but...the Greeks are a people who I overestimated numerous times over the past 5 years.
And soon they were without gold, precious stones and broke.
In debt?
Step 1. Identify all the low hanging fruit.
Wait a minute. Governments tell us that gold is a 'barbarous relic' and worthless. Why would they want us to report it?
So they confiscate all the money, precious stones and PMs. Nothing gets reformed and all that is pissed away.
So now it's what? Kidney confiscation?
Hang on to your guns.
central bank + politician under thumb = country in the red
central bank + cash under mattress = monster under bed
monster in bed, there fixed it, and she's happy
The euro isn't the Greeks biggest problem. The Greeks biggest problem is the representatives (fascist oligarchs) that the Greek citizens themselves vote to lead Plato's dream Athenian Republic. When G Pap & Samaras presented too elite a face for the march of tyranny, they brought in Hopey Changey Tsipras to deliver.
Only a thoroughly indoctrinated bunch of loons (or teabaggers) would believe that the tyranny of the 1% is more just than the tyranny of the 51%.
There are only two options accept their slavery or overthrow their oppressors.
Here's a concept for consideration: SELF-RULE.
show the way, show how it's possible. fact is that most who expose this view here... are at the very center of immense state power, like in the (relatively calm) eye of a hurricane
+1 for "The euro isn't the Greeks biggest problem"
fact is that the EUR is not in the Greek's state or central bank power to devalue. this puts the EUR at the same level as gold, jewelry and precious stones... as this very article highlights
fact is that devaluation is form of partial default... at the cost of those who hold cash and creditors
fact is that if I lend to someone, and this someone partially defaults on his debts... well, I'm going to ask higher rates, next time, or refuse to lend at all
fact is that up to now all criticism of the EUR is based on a Keynesian view of how to centrally manage a national economy
so don't ask for a return of gold if you think that the EUR is the one and only problem of Greece, then for all purposes, the EUR is behaving in the same way as gold, for Greece
meanwhile, many Greeks are keeping their euros under the mattress, together with their gold, jewelry and precious stones... and the Greek state is trying to get some hold on them
tyranny is what behaves like tyranny
+ 900,000 "official" and "refugees" from Deutschland
truth is this year alone came more or less 2,000,000 INVADERS
WHO THE FUCK IS COUNTING ANYMORE?
Don't worry in 2-3 years the shit show will start all over again. They haven't really fixed their economy so they are still spending more than they take in on pensions and useless government workers.
However by then Merkel will have benn replaced by someone else who will not be inclined to bailout the Greeks for a fourth time.
~"The decision has been taken “in the context of support and development of the STATE'S economy,” the ministers state."~
"...and to the detriment of yours."
Sure sounds like all your base are belong to us.
No, only blind for confusing it with a female.
Your low opinion of dogs is noted. Expect a suit from your local SPCA.
"Am I sexist for saying Merkle is a bitch?"
First I think you're going to have to prove Merkel is female...
"Am I sexist for saying Merkle is a bitch?"
You're sexist for being a white male (which would also probably make you a racist, homophobic, & anti-semite)
So basically, unless you're Wanda Sykes, you'd better keep a lid on it.
Not on purchases of gold coins over $1000.
The tax receipt could be for property taxes, paid in cash, to show use of proceeds.
No California sales tax on gold and silver over $1500 - You pay the sales tax on $1499.99
Don't wanna be a greek this time of year.
You'll get this thick gold rope chain when you pry it from my cold, dead chest sweater!
Pods,
I have to now pay tax on my precious stones?
In your case, it would be a small tax, a very... small tax,,,
;-D
What about credit card bills? Do they want those too?
Yes, they can be rehypothicated endlessly to 'back' a new currency.
They expect the people that try to hide swimming pools to declare what is under the mattress?
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/greek-tax-avoidance-101-cover-your-swim...
Hedgeless,
You want to buy a new house or car or refrigerator? Your benevolent government prohibits such things because it knows you don't have the wealth. By your own declaration!
I could buy those things with income, as I need to dispose of it, so as to not have wealth.
Governments usually allow, if not promote, both income and consumption, because they tax both.
A house is WEALTH, and exactly what the Greek government is now laying the groundwork to sieze through taxation.
That's why CREDIT was invented! Shop 'till you drop!!
PS Out of more than curiosity (sincerely) what country do you know of that enables you to call this one "benevolent"?
When I buy property with my gold and silver, how much of it will the seller want to report? He could just "give" me the farm.
Sounds like you have not been a USSA property "owner".
"Real" transactions are severely monitored, and the property value is assessed by the county, you pay (property) taxes based on their assessment, not what you paid for the property. Even if your long lost uncle "gave you the farm" the gov would have its fingers in your pie. Unless you have an army to protect it and your interests, best to never "own" (pay money to anchor your ass and pay taxes for) dirt.
Unfortunately, dirt is the ultimate source of food.
The Second Amendment is (will (continue to) be) the best part about the USSA ... sometimes Pb is more valuable than Ag, Au and ... maybe ... dirt.
"Real" transactions are severely monitored, and the property value is assessed by the county, you pay (property) taxes based on their assessment, not what you paid for the property.
Actually the county's assessment is primarily based on the transaction price for which the real property changes hands. So I agree that they have their fingers in the pie, but the price is a main driver of the taxable assessed value.
Maybe in your parts.....but here in central Virginistania, the price of your individual property transaction is irrelevant. Instead, the county thieves use a 'complex formula' which takes into account the 'average retail price' of properties 'in your general area'......to then 'assess' the value of yours. In a shocking twist of amazing coincidence.....these 'assessmenst' always.....ALWAYS.....are far higher than any price you could ever get if you sold your property. And naturally, your TAX rate is based on their 'assessment'.
Absolute, in-your-face robbery.....but hey, it's 'the law'!
Solf for one dollar plus other consideration.
XitSam- barter and trade - it's what's for dinner.
And, houses, cars, refrigerators, et-fucking-cetera.
Have you ever bought a house? You might value the house at a few dozen heads of cattle, but the local assessor will value the property at WHATEVER fiat price the State pleases. And you will pay the State EACH YEAR in whatever amount in whatever LEGAL TENDER the State DEMANDS, otherwise a judge a NULLIFY your paper title to the property because the State's blockchain is actually the title of record.
Barter is not a solution, except to Special Snowflakes who need to feel good about their efforts to stand up to THE SYSTEM.
Well, shucks there, redneck.
You have your spine, and I have mine.
Death and taxes are inevitable.
So what ?
It has nothing to do with trade and barter for commodities amongst individuals.
Straw man argument much ?
You're the one who wrote that barter was a solution for "houses" and "cars", not me. Barter is not a solution for ANY ASSET that must registered and titled through the State, so the more the assets that must be registered with the State, the less of an already non-solution (or grossly incomplete solution) barter becomes. Specifically, in light of what the Greek Overlords are proposing in this article, bartering won't achieve much more than a slave's subsistence diet once Blythe gets done building her gooberment blockchain. So no, it's not a strawman, but it is forward looking.
Partial quote, straw man argument, blah blah blah.
What I said, not too many posts vertical from here was barter between individuals was a solution to purchasing houses, cars, refrigerators, et-fucking-cetera.
Let me be more clear, as you have chain sawed my comment in half to suit your rant.
Barter and trade satisfy the individuals doing the deal for ANY AND ALL commodities they deem to have value to one another.
I also mentioned that death and taxes were inevitable. So, render unto Caesar what he expects on transactions he has his fat finger upon - just minimize the frequency and value of the transactions Caesar will fuck you out of tax dollars for.
Everything else becomes transactions of goods and services direct, with no currency, no income tax record, and no government intervention.
Trade and barter are older than government, and will live long after government has been consigned to the dust bin of history, along with banks, hopefully.
Taxation without representation has always been a problem in the world.
Americans have a solution to the problem, and have implemented it in the past.
The end result is the Constitution, and far as I know, it is still in effect.
About that Constitution... It has been used to authorize this government intervention and tax:
https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html
https://www.irs.gov/uac/About-Publication-525
There is a fundamental difference between " Government use for government intervention and tax " and the actual meaning of the Constitution.
First of all, government only has authority when it represents the people. When government goes against the people they are elected to represent, they are subject to change without notice.
The people have the right to reject government and replace government if they see fit to do so.
Taxation without representation is what caused the birth of the United States of America to begin with.
The People of the United States of America are the constant - government is the intangible, subject to rejection and replacement based upon performance, or the lack thereof.
" The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. "
Are you a citizen, or are you a sheeple muppet ?
The Muppets - Man or Muppet song HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb3tHsCLWsI (2:35)
You seem to think that both sides will cooperate for each other's benefit. When the seller gets to keep his property and 10% or more (equivalent value) of any alternative currency you are using, he will turn you in.
Oh, you want my gold?
Let me go get it for you.
*BOOM*
Headshot.
Pb *can* be more valuable than Ag and Au. ;-)
After that happens a couple of times, then the gov't will begin confiscating all firearms at the same time that they confiscate all the cash.
Not too far a step to then confiscating wives and daughters for sex slavery and imprisoning all the able-bodied men in state-run work camps. History repeating itself...
(Not that I think we shouldn't put up a fight--the key is to realize beforehand how swiftly the gov't will move to rob the citizenry of all they have, especially firearms.)
'Our' government could start confiscating firearms at a moment's notice. I would bet it all that 'our' government now has a de facto gun registry created by retaining all of the info on the ATF Form 4473, despite that being illegal.
You are talking about the "government" of the USSA?
"The Government" is made up of "people", your friends, your enemies, your neighbors, people you read their articles/stories and comments on ZH.... People. They have families and bills to pay just like you and me. Confiscating a deadly possession is not going to go over well with most of its owners, and after a few "confiscators" pay for their stupidity to violate the Second Amendment most of the remaining confiscators will ... hesitate.
The Second Amendment protects the rest of the Constitution.
Not gonna happen. Most people in flyover country are aware of the following quote:
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
The only way the government wins is if the people let it.
And boy are they letting it right now.
Confiscation agents will lose their zeal after their loved ones get their lives shortened.
We need a database of drone pilots, irs, police and other agents of the nugestapo
Yeah, good idea HH. I was just thinking about getting a used military armored transport or used armored car. These would be good for emergency or to store valuables including myself.
I got an unarmored LMTV a few months back. Paid less than 10% of what the taxpayers bot it for . . . had 600 miles on it. You have to armor it yourself . . . get this . . . US .gov is prohibited from selling the armored vehicles to US citizens, but they can paradrop missiles that can take an airlines out of the sky to some random jihadis in the Middle East.
Always pay cash.
Hedgeless - you forgot the finale.
" Y'all come back now, hear ? "
Any down votes are from unemployed armored truck drivers
I want a shrubbery!
Coming to a banana republic near and dear to you. It is only a matter of time before the US of A enacts similar rules and regulations. To think otherwise is simply delusional thinking.
"After all, this would be merely the first step toward full-blown asset
confiscation, conducted so many times by insolvent governments
throughout history, once the government cracks down on those who made a
"mistake" in their asset declaration form or simply refuse to fill such a
declaration, thereby making all their assets eligible for government
confiscation."
The only question you need to ask is if the USA is insolvent.
Is the USA insolvent?
Not if you listen to the MSM economists. And not if you consider future 'entitlements' to be non-enforceable promises that can be broken with the stroke of a pen.
Well, they are and they will be. Kentucky will show us all how.
The rules are not new as many were considered by the IMF some years ago. The rules are to act as a deterrent to holding specie or cash by creating huge headaches for those who choose to remove their wealth or a portion thereof from the financial sector. The rules also serve to stigmatize those who hold gold or cash as excessively rich, anti social and/or criminal.
Most western nations have kept a lid on gold demand throgh indoctrination and manipulation. Aggressive taxation is the next step.
Yes. "Laws" that cannot be enforced are less than useless...
better start practicing our lines...
"What cash"?
Sorry, but I invoke all my unalienable right, including my right to shut up. I am not required to help in government investigations. Show me the contract where I agreed to do this.
It's called representative government. The outcome of the last election is where you agreed to this.
fuck that noise!
In some Pennsylvania boroughs and townships they have something called the "Berkhimer Tax" which is, basically, an asset tax- just a few mils, but a tax on assets nonetheless. It's called the Berkhimer Tax because the job of collecting that tax is sub'ed out to a company called Berkhimer & Associates in Bangor, PA (little trivia for ya).
Anyway, if you NEVER return the form, they can't collect anything from you. But if you fill out the form JUST ONCE they can come collect from you FOREVER after that (assuming you still work or live in a tax jurisdiction that has the Berkhimer Tax), including powers of confiscation, payroll attachment, even arrest via a local sheriff, if necessary. Basically, it's a stupidity tax.
DON'T FILL OUT THE FUCKING FORM.
+1. It's a data mining scam, in as much as a bit of revenue will be realized. Once they "know" who you are, you're flagged forever.
Now where to I submit my email addy to see if I'm on the Ashley Madison list?
lol
NYC jury duty is the same. NEVER respond to the non-registered mail.
If the applicable principle is that you're in the clear if you never ever fill out the declaration, then the Feds will simply fold it into your tax return as they did with Obamacare. There are very few people who have NEVER filed a tax return. (Of course, I'm excluding the illegal immigrants, who are now apparently a privileged class.)
Really, all taxes are stupidity taxes. Or obedience taxes, I suppose.
Yes, again "what cash"?
How about the $5 Greek hooker in the basement? Do they have to list that too?
The asset-stripping of a country is a sad thing to behold.
Wait until they get up the nerve to start here. Unfortunately success in Greece just emboldens them
Which was the whole point of "Greece".
Time to switch to bitcoin.
Yeah.....so you can be tracked day or night 24/7 365 days a year.
The good news is if you get lost.....you can just call the NSA.
Slaves have no right to own money. Possession of cash and gold, will be equated to terrorism.
By the way, who is building FEMA camps in the US - Democrats or Republicans?
Which of these two branches of the decorative power in the US is behind the decision on the construction of FEMA camps?
Somebody robbed me. I don't have any cash or precious stuff anymore.
It won't work. If you delcare you were robbed. Next day cops come then it's asseit forefieture time. How did you get 50K gold when yesterday you said it was stolen.
Why don't they get the 1% that have stolen all the loot via legal or other means? A: becaues as George Carlin said "THEY WANT IT ALL"
They can only search my house so many times before they become roommates, at which point they owe me rent.
Back around 2006/2007 I learned of an IMF confidential policy paper concerning methods to dampen public gold demand should it threaten confidence. The reporting of "outside assets" to the tax authorities was one of many policies a nation could impose upon it's citizens.
Another is a withholding tax collected by dealers whenever they buy gold from the public. You sell a few coins for fiat then get perhaps 66% of the value with the balance to turned over to tax authorities to cover potential gains or income taxes.
The point is that gold would not become illegal or subject to outright seizure. It would be turned into a giant headache for those who held it.
Not too many people will sympathize with folks who hold gold as they will be perceived to be rich.
The fun will start when they try this law in India.
Which thief was it, the honest ones who are just trying to make a living, or the dishonest thieves who tell you they're helping the poor with your money?
"Well you see, there was this boating accident".......
Two downvotes, really?
WTF is wrong with some people.
They are socialists.
They are 'spooks'
Very much like the neanderthals of El Sidron, but then they only releived their hosts of their meat, organs and bone marrow. I'm sure they let them keep their stone tools and fur clothing. Spreading the nutritional wealth.
Modern socialism is just a more civilized form of cannibalism. But once in a while the veneer comes off.
If there was ever a better time or a more pressing reason for the Greeks to revolt, it would be now. For some reason though, I have this funny feeling that they will not.
This situation is made all the more depressing, since Greece is just prologue to what will be happening to the rest of the Western World in the future, no matter how near or far away.
Actually the Spartans were the hardcore socialists/communists, who marched out to meet the Persians in battle, even the relatively limp wristed democrats in Athens did the same (or technically sailed out to meet the enemy in battle). Molon Labe has become a catchy phrase for passive aggressive cowards who don't want to march out and meet the enemy.
molon labe! well ... listen. i'll stand up for what i believe in after i finish this computer game.
+1 Actually the Spartans are still the least understood People of their times, who indeed marched out to meet the Persians in battle, even the relatively limp wristed democrats in Athens did the same (or technically sailed out to meet the enemy in battle). Molon Labe has become a catchy phrase for passive aggressive cowards who don't want to march out and meet the enemy.
- a Spartiate boy was a military slave of the state (read: soldier) from the age of 7 to the age of 30. that's a 23 year long mandatory conscription
- except that it was not really mandatory. you could drop out... and so renounce to your status of spartiate, and so voting citizen... forever and for your children, too
- and if a Spartiate soldier, after 23 years of military service, survived... he came home and was immediately married. by his mother and sisters to a woman of their choice
- then... he had the vote. the same vote his mother had as proxy as long as he was away
- then... he had something to say about the economy of his household... except that again he had no clue, his mother and sisters were those who had any idea
did I mention... households? well, they were matriliniar. meaning that the veteran did not set up his own, he just staid with his new wife, a household run by her mother
the same kind of mother as his, the Spartiate woman that told her sons to "come back with their shields or on them", the famous Spartiate woman that when asked by sons why Spartan swords that mothers gave their sons were so short, replied "so that you make that extra step when you punch it in your enemy's face"
the same kind of woman that you could, as visiting Athenians never stopped talking about, see as easily clad at the market as naked at the gym
for Greeks, Sparta was always a mistery wrapped in an enigma. Sparta was many things:
a dual monarchy, except that the kings were only kings if they were chosen as husbands by the queens, and their leadership was restricted to the battlefield
a democracy, except that you had to be a Spartiate in order to vote, a minority of a minority, and even then, more often then not it was the mothers of the Spartiates that voted most
a council-led republic, with a written constitution that mandated the election of five ephors as government, meaning that there were usually six to ten factions (aka political parties) asking for votes before elections
an empire, then the tiny republic held various other polities in a complex system of alliances, with varying degrees of influence, tributes, etc
a nearly closed economic zone, with a disdain for trade
a closed monetary zone, with a disdain for gold and silver and an archaic preference for iron, which made it - after gold and silver were introduced elsewhere in response to a glut of iron (thanks to new technology) - a fiat currency zone, with iron coins as currency
a caste system, resembling an aristocracy, with Spartiates being at the top and deciding everything
a tribal system, with each household being led by women directly related to each other and never leaving those households, making them something resembling hardcore socialist/communist fiefdoms
this movie, "300", is one of the worst characterizations of Spartiates. For criminy, they are talking, shouting and grunting, in the movie. Spartiates were famous for their... silence
Queen Gorgo? The daughter of the king (because his mother, the queen, selected him as husband and co-leader of the army), the wife of the king (well, Leonidas was her selection) and the mother of the next queen of that line, and so the mother-in-law of the next king). In the movie, there is this guy that even touches her. That was sacrilege. It would have been enough for her to even only claim he touched her and he would have been immediately executed
Queen Gorgo even went to Athens to head the diplomatic team that set the terms and new constitution for that city that surrendered to Sparta, leaving no doubt about who really held the reins of the Spartan Hegemony
For Athenians, who held high-born women veiled and restricted them mostly to the upper floors of their houses... a bit of a cultural shock
During that visit, one chit-chat conversation that was sent down the rivers of time went like this: "Mighty Queen, how is it that Spartiate women have so much to say in such a war-like state like Sparta?" to which she replied: "It's Spartiate women who bear true warriors"
I guess in the larger contemporary framework- the socialist/communist oversimplification doesn't do justice to what Sparta actually was, or to the mis-education of contemporaries who hold it up as an ideal to emulated, when even voluntary restrictions on individual freedom to strengthen the community are often seen as some derivation of treason among many claiming to be Libertarian these days,. Since the essential essence of Spartan society was the subjugation of the individual to the State and the elimination of his freedoms to further the State's war making capacity on its neighbors.
Even the Libertarian sheeple thought police/think tank agree with that uncomfortable characterization of Sparta...
Unfortunately, the evil growing in Greece needs to be stopped. It needs to be stopped NOW before it grows, strengthens, and spreads. Waiting for the evil evolution of the taxman to come knocking on frightened individuals' door and announcing "We have come, now We take" is a plan for failure. Free people to need organize, and some will have to sacrifice, in order to defeat this before becomes an insurmountable force.
obuma's words" You didn't build that"..give suchconfiscation legitimacy..the state is just taking back what we stole.
agree, UR. to come back to the historic reference, though, I think it's fair to characterize the Spartiate households as "socialist". In fact I still think that all "thirst for socialism" goes back to those badly understood matrilinial units of tribes, the "genos" (Latin: Gentes)
the analogy in the Americas is in the original natives that the europeans encountered and their political setups
big "longhouses" containing sizable groups of women related to each other by descent with or without attached married males, the tribal setup having a voice for those groups who lived with "shared wealth" and "shared capital", and a hang for confederational setups in the higher orders of politics
the germanic tribes that Romans encountered were similarly setup, and even the Irish and Scots had similarities to that, often to the amazement of the English
even the ancient Romans exibithed traces of this "matriliniar socialism", in their three names. a personal one, a gentile name and a patriliniar name
the genos, the gentes, they were the way most people lived. on gentile land, buried on gentile graveyards, following their gentile ways, often without even a glance to patrilinearity
for a socialist setup, it has all ingredients for success: people are related, know each other very well, and... well, mother knows best
Who of you read Moron Aabe?
LOL, that is EXACTLY how it reads. 2 Miny Yirs 'o hip-hop.
Loved Molon Labe
Also: patriots
Also: unintended consequences
Also: atlas shrugged
And the weird stuff: behold a pale horse, rule by secrecy, the prince, gangs of New York, mind control, when money dies...
I'm the uncool guy at the party who won't talk about nfl or teevee. You'd hate me
+300
I paid income tax on the money I use to purchase everything. I paid income tax on my cash.
When I sell assets, I pay income tax on the gain.
Now, if you are not going to blow me, I will ask you to leave.
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I love forms with a lot of places to write in zeros!
I am sure the compliance participation % of the Greek Citizenry will be worse than the tax collections %.
Marc Faber was right.
1 in 100 isn't anything to brag about. If you shout it's 12pm, at somepoint you'll be right. Obvious what to write, ownership is 9:10's of our corrupt laws
Well I declare go fuck yourselves!
Yeah, but the Greek prostitutes are saying' "Molon Labia" 4 a few fiatscos
I'm sorry I can't acquire the best of them to have a few children with me. I'm very sad to be 55 tomorrow. I did a very bad thing and started having kids too late.
Who cares when you have $4.00 blow jobs.... Winning!
I jacked off 3 & 1/2 times to free internet porn, and then, bought a Silver Maple with the proceeds. #WINNING
That's, Well I declare, how niiice...in the south.
Oh yea can't wait to hand over more money to the Bullies of Brussels....
I think the phrase "Molon Labe", succinctly sums up my thoughts on this.
I have that tattooed on my arm. No shit.
Yeah I got your cash right here....Go Fuck yourself.
I never tire of posting this (from 2007):
Treasury claims power to seize gold and silver -- and everything elsehttp://gata.org/node/5606
Time to buy a bass boat and some kayaks for recreation use. And life preservers, of course. But not for the precious.
Lake, big lake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjh3TxOHCxE&t=65
Compliance rate = 0
It worked so well for the Jews
Just wanted to jump in here, re: compliance.
In NY, Emperor Cuomo pressed the SAFE act through the legislature after the New Town (whatever, that FF in RI or NH or Mass, I forget) shootings.
Rate of compliance on the assault weapon registry was estimated to be around 3-5%, accounting for mostly state employees who "had" to register.
It's the reason I won't buy a shotgun or rifle. I consider the background check to be a violation of the 2nd amendment. I figure when the time is right, a neighbor or friend will just hand me a gun and bullets because we'll be defending each other's rights.
Molon Labe indeed, though in my case, WTF are you looking for?
Merkel and posse will confiscate these things and sell them to Swiss buyers. History repeating.