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Iraqi PM Rejects US "Boots On Ground" As Shiite Militias Pledge To Kill US Soldiers
There are probably a lot of lessons we can learn from the conflict in Syria.
We might, for instance, pause and reflect on the morality of subjecting millions of people to untold pain and suffering in pursuit of geopolitical expediency. Or we could make a serious effort to reevaluate a foreign policy that too often centers around bringing about regime change in far away lands without considering the ramifications and potential for blowback.
Of course that kind of deep self-reflection will never happen in Washington, but fortunately, there’s a far simpler lesson that requires very little in the way of high level thinking to understand. Here it is: arming and funding Islamic militants you just met is always a bad idea.
In the worst case scenario you lose control of them only to watch in horror as the Frankenstein you created escapes from the lab, rumbles out of the castle, and proceeds to terrorize and murder all the villagers. In the best case scenario, they do what you thought they were going to do (in this case fight Assad’s army) but they occasionally go off the rails and blow up a Russian search and rescue helicopter after executing one of Moscow’s pilots.
In Syria, the FSA falls into the “best case scenario” category but as we’ve been at pains to explain, arming them now makes even less sense than it did initially because, i) you risk starting a world war as they are using US-supplied weapons to fire on Iranian soldiers and Russian equipment, and, on a practical level, ii) they’re using US-supplied weapons to kill the same Iran-backed Shiite militiamen who are fighting with the Iraqi regulars just across the border.
Consider the following excerpts from various media outlets:
Shi'ite Muslim militiamen and Iraqi army forces launched a counter-offensive against Islamic State insurgents near Ramadi on Saturday, a militia spokesman said, aiming to reverse potentially devastating gains by the jihadi militants. - Reuters, May 23
U.S. airstrikes targeting ISIS around Ramadi are proving "not very effective," according to the head of the Iran-backed militias surrounding the conquered Iraqi city. "We expect more from the Americans," Hadi al-Ameri told NBC News. "There are no real airstrikes against ISIS headquarters." - NBC, June 23
Iraqi forces and the Shiite militias fighting alongside them announced Friday that they had retaken the oil refinery at Baiji from Islamic State militants, in some of the first significant progress against the extremist group after months of stalled efforts. - New York Times, October 16
Iraq’s official military doesn’t appear to be in any position to take on ISIS. Shiite militia groups have proved much more effective at fighting ISIS than Iraq’s official military, and it’s the Shiites who are taking the lead in the Iraqi government’s new campaign to retake Anbar. - Slate, May 26, 2015
You get the idea.
Make no mistake, there are some very serious questions about these militias' human rights record, but the point is that when it comes to fighting Sunni extremists, there's no one better to have on your side than fearsome Shiite militiamen even if some of those militiamen were responsible for killing hundreds of US soldiers with copper-tipped IEDs during the Iraq occupation.
As we documented extensively in "Who Really Controls Iraq? Inside Iran's Powerful Proxy Armies," Tehran controls these fighters and thanks to their effectiveness on the battlefield, the militias effectively control the US-armed Iraqi regulars. As Reuters noted in October, "the Fifth Iraqi Army Division now reports to the militias’ chain of command, not to the military’s, according to several U.S. and coalition military officials. The division rarely communicates with the Defence Ministry’s joint operation command, from which Abadi and senior Iraqi officers monitor the war, the officials said."
Here's a bit more color from the same investigative piece that should give you an idea of what's going on in Iraq:
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, a Shi’ite, came to office just over a year ago backed by both the United States and Iran. He promised to rebuild the fragmented country he inherited from his predecessor, Nuri al-Maliki, who was widely accused of fueling sectarian divisions. Since then, though, even more power has shifted from the government to the militia leaders.
Those leaders are friendly with Abadi. But the most influential describe themselves as loyal not only to Iraq but also to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Three big militias – Amiri’s Badr Organisation, Asaib Ahl al-Haq and Kataib Hezbollah – use the Iranian Shi’ite cleric’s image on either their posters or websites. Badr officials describe their relationship with Iran as good for Iraq’s national interests.
Iraq, for all intents and purposes, is now an Iranian colony both politically and militarily.
In the wake of the US invasion in 2003, Tehran was concerned that the Cheney Bush administration would move to invade Iran next. This, along with a desire to aid the Americans in fighting The Taliban in Afghanistan (who Iran now covertly supports in an effort to usurp ISIS influence), led the IRGC to forge a quasi-friendly relationship with The Pentagon. And then George Bush put Iran in his infamous "Axis of Evil." From that point forward the Quds encouraged Iraq's Shiite militias to target American troops, which goes a long way towards explaining why the US accuses Iran of being the world's number one state sponsor of terror (of course that's absurd, but hey, we didn't say it, Washington did).
Fast forward to 2015 and the US has essentially comes to terms with the fact that Iran's proxies are going to fight ISIS alongside the Iraqi regulars. It's only annoying for Washington when those proxies say things like this: "the United States lacks the decisiveness and the readiness to supply weapons needed to eliminate militancy in the region." But while it's fine to taunt the US regarding Washington's highly suspicious lack of commitment to the fight against ISIS in Iraq, Iran is not keen on seeing a sizeable US troop presence on its border (again) which is why it should come as no surprise to you that on the heels of Ash Carter's announcement earlier today that the US is set to send SpecOps to Iraq, Kataib Hezbollah immediately threatened to attack them. Here's Retuers:
"We will chase and fight any American force deployed in Iraq," said Jafaar Hussaini, a spokesman for one of the Shi'ite armed groups, Kata'ib Hezbollah. "Any such American force will become a primary target for our group. We fought them before and we are ready to resume fighting."
Badr Organisation and Asaib Ahl al-Haq (mentioned above) weren't far behind:
"All Iraqis look to (the Americans) as occupiers who are not trustworthy," said Muen al-Kadhimi, a senior aide to the leader of the Badr Organisation.
"The militias, grouped with volunteer fighters under a government-run umbrella, are seen as a bulwark in Iraq's battle against Islamic State," Reuters adds.
Predictably, PM Abadi was out just hours later reiterating (he already said this once back in October) that Iraq does "not need foreign ground combat forces on Iraqi land."
Obviously, these pronouncements might as well have been issued directly from Tehran because that's unquestionably who's pulling the strings here, but this does set up an interesting scenario. Washington probably wasn't looking for permission in the first place despite Carter's lip service to Baghdad on Tuesday. The US will likely embed the Spec Ops with the Peshmerga via the KRG in Erbil.
The question then, is this: if the Iraqi regulars are now loyal to the Shiite militias and if Iran is pulling the strings in Baghdad, what will the relationship be between a US/Peshmerga effort to fight ISIS and an Iran/Iraqi effort? Furthermore, what happens if Russia begins bombing ISIS targets in Iraq?
Time will tell, but the big picture takeaway here is this: this war doesn't end in Syria.
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Bonus: Visuals of Iraqi Shiite fighters
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Well that escalated quickly!
(Not really...15 years in the making)
USA, USA, USA
Winning Hearts and Minds through Random Warfare
Oh, it's far from random.
Ashton Carter is hell bent on defeating ISIS (and all other global military threats). His offensive/aggressive approach is likely too late as we have helped created a larger, more organized and much angrier foe, not to mention the presence of both Iran and Russia. This is either success or the last embarrassing hurrah for both the US and those EU countries that join us. Additionally we are going to operate in sovereign countries without request or welcome. Best to our troops.
Fuck the US troops.
They can either ditch uncle sam or die in the middle east like criminals. Their choice.
Um, yea. My sentiments exactly.
Don't look for fucking sympathy from me because you took a job that involved getting shot or IED'd.
Obama handlers:
Get out, let her fester, add ISIS and they will beg us to return for 100 yrs.
OK, we already added ISIS to Iraq and were letting it fester. As a matter of fact, it was exactly to weaken the Shiite militias so the U.S.-backed Iraqi regular army and the Kurds could move in after the smoke cleared and take control. You know how those schemes end up for the U.S., right? Hint: Let's expand ISIS in Syria because it will weaken Assad's forces and the FSA can move in after the smoke clears and take control.
And you DO realize where the Shiite militias came from, don't you? Yeah, that was us. See, we figured they would be a great help in defeating Saddam Hussein, so we kind of encouraged them to fight with/for us, but then we refused to arm them because they're kind of dangerous. They were really pissed at us. Go figure.
And you DO realize where Saddam Hussein came from, don't you? Yeah, that was us, too. See, when he was fighting Israel's... er, the U.S.s arch-enemy IRAN, we figured we could use Hussein to beat up on the Iranians. I think there was some scandal about us giving him intelligence on Iranian troop formations so he could use his chemical weapons (supplied by the U.S. and U.K.) to fight Iran. At any rate, he didn't want to sell Israel oil and had trouble swallowing the Rothschild banks, so he had to go.
And yo DO realize where the great enemy Iran came from, don't you? Yeah, that was kind of us, too. See, we staged a coup to put our corrupt, psychopathic puppet - the Shah - in charge of Iran, but he wasn't too good to his own people. In fact, he was quite an asshole. Like every other profanely rich tyrant and U.S. lapdog, he was eventually overthrown by angry little people who had much more to gain under a repressive Islamic state than they did under the corrupt Shah. Oops!
And now my story has become tiresome.
Without all that happening, wouldn't those poor people have fallen victim to another boogie-man that's always lurking?
That's right.........the dreaded vacuum would've gotten them!
Indeed, and not forgetting that arming the mujjahaddin in Afghanistan helped turn their country into a thriving hub of scholarity and industriousness. /s
I can sympathize with people getting their legs blown off but the barage of requests for money to help them afterwards should tell them something else. Their own MIC will throw them away when they're done with them. But, they have plenty of money to waste billions on boondoggle planes that can barely even fly.
$10 trillion dollars stolen from American taxpayers, millions dead in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and other places, thousands of Americans dead and the sheep Americans just go along. Congress does nothing.
Bushes, clintions, Obama = all the same. It never ends.
It has NEVER been any different. Its what humans do.
As Carlin says, anyone who thinks they can "fix" it IS the problem.
Until humans actually change their own nature, nothing else will change, and no amount of manipulation by progressives will change anything except make it worse.....life of unintended consequences.
It really, really does NOT have to remain the same. It CAN and MUST end. Remember....
Rise like lions from slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake the chains to Earth, like Dew
That in your sleep had fallen on you!
YOU ARE MANY, THEY ARE FEW!!!
Is that quote from Duck Soup, or Animal Crackers?
I'm sure it was Groucho.
Is that an Oregon Ducks flag in the last picture?
Indeed. They get a Ducks flag with every gross of white Nikes delivered.
“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
Henry Kissinger
as are American "consumers".
The troops should know by now that they are sent off to fight wars for bankers who want money. USSA will not stop until they either destroy the entire ME or die trying. My opinion is they should be brought home and should have never signed up because that's what they do.
Right after 9/11 you could say they thought they were fighting for freedom and democracy, but not any moar. It's all bullshit.
This is a directive not choice, our military is not a democracy. You don't pick and chose your missions. We could all agree the world would be a better place without ISIS/terrorist of all sorts. Our soldiers, misguided or not will do their best, when tasked, to do this. Without them, past or present, we would not being having this privilege to disagree. We best get this right this time.
If our borders were being threatened I'd agree with you but they're not. If that were the case both me and my son would fight too. I fail to see how fucking up countries all over the globe, over and over again, affords privileges to anybody.
It’s best to fight and defeat an enemy before they get to your borders, people living on the border would agree. I do agree with your overall sentiments.
two hoots; 'we have met the enemy and he is us' (more properly the deep state/CIA/Mossad)
This country has been hoodwinked by ZioCon bankster filfth since 1913 at least, when the scam called the Federal Reserve was created by crooked politicians to give complete control of the creation of our money to a private cabal of bankers and the timing was right before WWI, in order for the Reserve to buy the war debt from the British and French. The Fed reserve enabled Wilson to increase the federal debt from 1 billion in 1913 to 26 billion by 1918. The plan of WWI was to destroy Gemany politically and economically so as to by the assets there on the cheap. Banksters create money out of thin air to create loans to us and have the audacity to charge interest on it even though the cost is nothing to them and they have nothing at risk as the fed reserve creates any liquidiy that is needed to cover losses. They seize assets they haven't contributed one bit to build, when they tighten credit and loans cannot be repaid. Screw the banksters. Let our government seize the Federal Reserve as it has a legal right to do, make it truly Federal, and issue 100 year zero percent loans to states for infrastrucure repair:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWl7Mb49vSk
http://www.webofdebt.com/
911 was a CIA/MOSSAD job. The proof? First you should already be aware that the 1993 WTC bombing was a FBI/CIA job. The 1993 WTC bomb was made by the FBI informant Emad Salem. The FBI filmed Salem making the bomb using FBI supplied bomb parts, yet allowed the jihadist group to drive the 1000 lb bomb to the WTC parking garage and allowed it to explode. The whole false flag went bust when Salem gave over 600 audio tapes he made to the judge in the case. The FBI continues to pretend they solved the case by finding an axle rod in the rubble (go to 3:45 to hear the good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M8QtYTplyk
Now fast forward to Oct 2000. Three men are overheard by an IDF veteran, speaking in Hebrew, of a plot to crash planes into the WTC and bring the US into a war in the ME. The IDF veteran, Andras Szekely, went to the FBI in Newark and was interviewed. The FBI refuses to release the interview although they acknowledge they interviewed him.
http://911blogger.com/news/2007-04-04/follow-%E2%80%9Cprior-knowledge-911-attacks-overheard-hebrew%E2%80%9D-story-fbi-looks-documents-where-they-cannot-be-found
To see that the WTC was detonated from the inside, watch the following video "9/11:the towers of dust" and pause at 1 minute 17 seconds. You will see that the 1400 foot tall WTC 1 was turned into a crater whose center is at ground level. This is impossible in a gravity collapse as the rubble should have formed a pile 100 feet high at the center, not zero feet high. The towers appear to be exploding when they collapse because they are exploding outward from charges placed inside and from cutting charges/thermate that cut the columns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJUP-Ry7d0
Do a youtube search on the "Israeli art sudents" inside the WTC for 4 years; they were photographed wearing rapelling gear, having numerous fuse boxes, doing drawings of frightened people jumping from the building and even drawings of the WTC exploding.
http://www.methodicaldeception.com/resource2.html
The 5 dancing Israeli's found watching and filming the events of 911 before the first plane hit and 3 of whom later admitted to being there in order to 'document the event' when they were interviewed on Israeli TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ImPcb4keY
The pentagon attack was a complete false flag; just watch one of Barbara Honegger's 3 hour videos to learn that a small drone (painted white) tried to crash into the pentagon helipad located about 100 feet north of where we were told the 757 hit; the lawn in front of the pentagon was scorched black and littered with numerous small drone fragments while the helipad firehouse clocks stopped at 9:31. We were told that the west wedge was hit at 9:38 and clocks located there stopped at that time, while the lawn in front of the building was pristine (no plane debris); the columns bowed sideways there not inwards as would happen if a plane had hit it, and 90 to 95% of the damage was on the ground level as described in the pentagon performance review. But a 757 measured from the bottom of the engines up, is 30 feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvJ8nFa5Qk
Listen to the taxi driver who claimed his taxi was hit by a lightpole at the pentagon admit that he was part of a conspiracy of 'rich people'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyQ0vVwjqc
"To see that the WTC was detonated from the inside, watch the following video "9/11:the towers of dust" and pause at 1 minute 17 seconds. You will see that the 1400 foot tall WTC 1 was tuned into a crater whose center is at ground level. This is impossible in a gravity collapse as the rubble should have formed a pile 100 feet high at the center, not a zero feet high. The towers appear to be exploding when they collapse because they are exploding outward from charges placed inside and from cutting charges/thermate that cut the columns."
Total fantasy.
There was no detonation from the inside. When Two World Trade collapsed, a news reporter was across the street at a staging area. His mike was on. The camera operator tilted up and caught the collapse on camera just as it began. There were no sounds of explosions, just a rumble of sound as the upper section fell down upon the floors below it.
It is silly to claim the pile should have been a certain configuration if it was a gravity collapse. The interior columns and other debris which was not pulverised, would have remained within the footprint regardless whether there were any explosions or not, as that is where it would have been confined during the collapse. Pulverized debris was forced out the windows while the exterior columns were still in place, as the collapse progressed.
The Towers appeared to be exploding because the kinetic energy produced by the collapse, along with the collapse of the air space between floors, rapidly forced pulverized debris out the windows.
Wrong; it is apparent to even a child that when interior columns collapse and buildings fall in on themselves, that a rubble PILE will appear. But what happened on 911 was a CRATER!!!! Impossible unless massive amounts of energy expanded the bulding material into a cloud.
And there was massive continuous detonation from the inside. This is the video you are referring to. The audio was muffled during the seconds as the building collapsed when it was broadcast by the MSM, but here it is with the original sound and you can hear the reporter suddenly blurt out as the building's debris shoots outward "there is a huge explosion!...'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE7fWV2qUVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnmkljKo290
I'm not accusing you of being a hasbara troll, but your comments are really senseless and even display a childlike level of reasoning. The MOSSAD/CIA/deep state must be aware that TENS OF MILILIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE WOKEN UP TO THIS PERFIDIOUS ATTACK ON OUR SOIL!!!!! This is not a 'pearl harbor' attack; this is 'stab you in the back' attack by our own government traitors and the Mossad. Amazing that they think this is going to end well for them. It's not. The truth is coming out and it's unstoppable.
And cell phones don't work at 35K feet while flying 500 mph over rural pennsylvania. You can hear CeeCee Lyles voice even say at the end of the cell phone call she made to her husband, the words "it's a frame"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbzaZNzdIFA
And gosh you really wrote this "The Towers appeared to be exploding because the kinetic energy produced by the collapse, along with the collapse of the air space between floors, rapidly forced pulverized debris out the windows"
Wow, pathetic. Laughable really
No one has any idea as they are all speculating.
I would give a little more credence to an opinion given by a physicist or a structural engineer but even they will not agree amongst themselves and you will get a range of opinions.
Before you completely trust an opinion of an engineer watch a montage on YouTube of Engineering Disasters.
Take your shill bullshit far away you zio shill bastard.
"If our borders were being threatened ..."
You're kidding, right?
I hope you are referring to the Mexican invasion that is occurring on the southern border and the Federal government doing nothing about it. Hell they are encouraging it and suing any state that tries to stop it.
Let's pray for the sacrificial unit who gets captured by "ISIS" which will be used to drum up war in America.
If he's so hell bent on defeating them, why not ask Obama to quit training, arming and funding them.
Contain, not defeat. As with WWII, we were not trying to kill all of those we were fighting, only obtain control over them for our own benefit. ISIS is their tool, one that they have no control over. They have done NOTHING to stop or defeat them, and have only acted to slow them at best.
Ashton Carter will take orders from the MIC just like all the rest of the shits in the DOD. He will headfake and move as he is told to move.
11bangbang. This is Ashton Carter's time in the sun. He has watched from a few paces back but it is his turn. He owns this.
Every idiot has his 5 minutes of fame in life... AC is a perfect example for the intelectual level of the Obozo administration.
He doesn't own shit, and if he crosses Obummer again, like he just did, he will have the same fate as Hagel.
The USA will do what it has done ever since Korea. Declare victory, go home, make movies where they are the victorious good guys and start screwing up some other place. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Can't they just declare victory now, before getting into any more nonsense ?
Poor brainwashed fuck.
Kind of OT but worth the mention:
Are You Sure About That? Why Erdogan Shouldn't Have Asked for Proof
Yes, just when you think things can't possibly get any stranger, FARSNews sources ZH.
Congrats again on the fine series of articles, Tyler(s). Be careful, or you'll start attracting all kinds of riff-raff with 'interesting' articles.
Like the articles are not already co-opted.
Nary a week goes by without some underlying issue emerging from the folds of the article.
Don't get me wrong, it's still one of the best we have right now.
Perhaps that also means that, as commentors, our voice extends much further than we thought?
The commentors here are the best source for information that I've found. Funny as hell too.
[blushing]
I try.
Hey Buddy, dey still proteckin' r freedoms or what?
Obama had better pucker his queer ass and quick. Then call the press to blame the 2nd amendment for climate change.
Shut your mouth!
It is all going nicely to plan......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Welcome back, Americans!
Close to 4,500 US citizens have died just in Iraq since 2003 (officially, ahem!).
While close to 1,500,000 Iraqis have been killed (mostly civilians who were not terrorised but by now they all think like terrorists, ahem!).
http://antiwar.com/casualties/
If US had half a brain, they would leave the Middle East! But greed of war and lust of power is what brings them to the valley of their own death!
When will US citizens wake up? Sheesh.......
When it stops being an all volunteer force. The found out in Vietnam that kids getting drafted caused a shit storm so they went with an all volunteer force. Now there is no great outburst of anger when a bunch of them get killed compared to Vietnam.
Next stage is when even volunteers get rare. Then it is stage one of the bot-wars. You already see it in its most primative form with drones. Now imagine insect sized swarms of "lethal injection" insects being released at night over an area.
There will always be enough stupid volunteers who can mop up after the bot swarms have killed almost everyone and thing in an area.
“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”Henry Kissinger
TRM; we don't have a 'volunteer force'. We have a 'mercenary force'. Volunteers don't get paid; the volunteer fireman, the volunteer's at your local VA hospital for instance, all volunteer their time. Our Armed services are now a MERCENARY FORCE, exactly the same as the mercenary armies that European kings raised using borrowed funds from banksters.
War Whores
War Horse
Won't Bibi be pissed, if his oil supply from Syria-Turkey is cut off?
The Yanks & Friends had better step in, do their Shabbos Goy duty, and provide Blood-for-oil. Mazel tov.
/s
Kirk - Seriously, your insincerity seems genuine. Prost.
"Go home Yankee!"
GOOD NEWS! Let's stay the hell out.
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/07/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-fo...
http://www.rense.com/general35/si.htm
http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/us-caught-faking-it-in-syria/
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
But due to the immense and unparalleled influence of the Qatari lobby, although this path of destruction in countries that did not threaten the U.S. *Seems* to correspond to the Oded Yinon /PNAC line of plans, the US government is in fact dedicated to democracy and helping Qatar build a pipeline through Syria so it can compete with Israel's Leviathan find.
obviously.
http://theantimedia.org/isis-israel-iraq-and-syria-its-all-part-of-the-p...
http://m.journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-rus...
...but look at the pictures in the other thread?!?!
We are gonna bring ya some freedumb!
Good, Let them have at it and we mind our own rotting house of cards for once.
Soooo.....were trying to kill Sunnis. The Shia want to kill us and the Sunnis. We just want to peacefully remove the elected head of Syria...ah shucks, lets just admit it...we want to kill em all too. If you are into killin' this will be fun.
Oh yeah...the Ruskies...they are somewhere in the mix too. I think they actually are doin' some killin'.
We are all peace loving here. We simply see the need to kill all those who won't accept our version of peace.
To the U.S. special ops boyz in Iraq they will never forget what you did motherfuckers.
Karmas a bitch! And you're "it"!!!
More postcards from hell Made in the U.S.A. with stories to go with it!!!
That is from a movie, retard.
That is from a movie, retard.
Yeah they are ALL "home" movies! Apparently you missed this one?...
Trust me they are all the sliver that got away, the rest were destroyed when the White Chimp started his first term and buried Taguba's report!
You Zionist Kike!
A movie based on this sickening event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings
Well if ISIS is the JV Team Obama's been barking about, this must be the Varsity Team! ;-)
well, well, well ... i remember those days when USSA could inform the world they'll intervene somewhere to bring peace and democracy and everybody was ok with it ;-)
Libya or Sanford Fla?
//////
Now wut?
Did not Obama make Libya & Sanford Fla. safe for "democraceee"? ;-)
"Iraqi PM Rejects US "Boots On Ground" As Shiite Militias Pledge To Kill US Soldiers"
Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it??
It's people like Brezezinski still acting as advisor of foreign policy:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/zbigniew-brzezinski-financial-time...
from the article: "The United States should threaten to retaliate if Russia does not stop attacking U.S. assets in Syria, former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in a Financial Times op-ed published Sunday [...]"
Brzezinski must be a senile warmonger out of his mind.
He fails to acknowledge that the US (and UK et al) have kept fairly quiet that they are the Godfathers of many/most of the terrorists operating in Syria including ISIS. Most people would be shocked if US/UK now described these terrorists as "assets".
Sounds like ISIS are here to stay. They will be celebrating in the streets in Raqqa and Mosul. Time for America to withdraw from the ME.
Support our Troops Yello Ribbons will be brisk . Long on caskets and Yellow Ribbons
Congats Iraqi militia.
The American Government sure knows how to make a lot of enemies.I don't pity the poor politicians once they leave Office that are without protection.It's a long life to constantly live in fear and you can bet that there are millions of so-called enemies that are now guided by pure hate.A lifetime won't get rid of the need for revenge.
A lifetime? I know of people and cultures that are fighting injustices and wars that happened 5,000 years ago. A lifetime is a blink of an eye.
Does any creature on the face of this planet not share DNA with someone or something that has been the victim of injustice? It is those who seek to acquire power who use history...their version of history in many cases, to motivate and incentivize others into collective action seeking justice for past or present perceived injustices....all as envisioned by individuals looking for a reason WHY they do not have MOAR, all of the things they believe they should have because SOMEONE told them so.
Life on this planet has for most on it been an immense and brutal struggle since the beginning of time, and what is so odd is that only as we find ourselves with more luxury, more wealth, more leisure, do we find so many DEMANDING MOAR. It would seem that relative prosperity is addictive.
The polititions leave with their pockets full. It should be a cold day in hell when anyone feels sorry for them. Feel sorry for Bill? Feel sorry for George W?
Feel sorry for O'Bummer?
Leave iran, iraq, Syria and Russia alone. Pull out and let them wipe out ISIS/Al Quada - in two years they will have done so and liberated and set up democracy in Saudia Arabia, Bahrain, UAE , Kuwait and others. let's bring freedom and democracy to the ME - Go Putin! - the savior of humanity.
Can we let them all just kill one another and be done with it?
IT'S ABOUT TIME THE US STFU AND GOES HOME FOR THE SAKE OF US ALL.
I'm sick and tired of the US Citizens burying their heads in their phones and pretending they can't do anything about it. There's 300 fucking million of you, get off the fucking couch.
It's time for the US to unleash its secret weapon. Developed by years of expert left wing research and left wing policies, the Rainbow Brigade will strike fear into the hearts of the enemy. Why that would be, I couldn't say.
What you don't fucking realize, or won't admit, is that in a world were the US is one nuclear torpedo away from complete destruction it is better to be building bridges, raindbow or otherwise.
Meet Me at Fort Bliss - I'm In.
What's wrong with you Iraqis? Don't you like the stench of our precious form of "freedom and democracy" we Americans are spreading across the globe?
Please do admit that none of us in America would willing live in their societies even without the current violence. Iraq was one of the more western Muslim societies prior to the war and would have been the most susceptible to western values, but war has a way of killing that off. As we see and fear here in America, we understand that political, racial and ideological separatism will lead us to a civil war for the express purpose of installing freedoms like what those currently living in the ME now enjoy. We all seek justice and the moral high ground...in theory, but once the shit hits the fan...like it is in the ME, we will see all of that tested...and changed.
Iraqis loved the bbq'd lamb with a side of freedom fries and freedom slaw. MMMMMMM - Freedom!
"Go away U. ISIS. A!!" - The World
Bring home ALL the troops. Let's rebuild Our country.
Oh yeah and close our borders!
Come on Vlad, expand the bombings to Iraq. I love it when Obama whines
Any American soldier captured will surely and quickly wish he was never born...
Statistically, you are safer in combat than on the street where you live. So grab an M4 and let's kit up and get busy.
Yankee go home.
It's going to be a long long bloody year for US soldiers. Amen.
Incase you don't know what's happening in the middle east. ????
President Assad ( who is bad ) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels ( who are good ) started winning ( Hurrah!).
But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State ( who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy ( who are still good.)
So the Americans ( who are good ) started bombing Islamic State ( who are bad ) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) so they could fight Assad ( who is still bad ) which was good.
By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS ( which is a good thing ) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter.
Getting back to Syria.
So President Putin ( who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium poisoned sushi ) has decided to back Assad ( who is still bad ) by attacking IS ( who are also bad ) which is sort of a good thing?
But Putin ( still bad ) thinks the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans ( who are good ) who are busy backing and arming the rebels ( who are also good).
Now Iran ( who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good ) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad ( still bad ) as are the Russians ( bad ) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria.
So a Coalition of Assad ( still bad ) Putin ( extra bad ) and the Iranians ( good, but in a bad sort of way ) are going to attack IS ( who are bad ) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) which is bad.
Now the British ( obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn in the corduroy jacket, who is probably bad ) and the Americans ( also good ) cannot attack Assad ( still bad ) for fear of upsetting Putin ( bad ) and Iran ( good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS ( who are super bad).
So Assad ( bad ) is now probably good, being better than IS ( but let’s face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there ) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America ( still Good ) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin ( now good ) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran ( also Good ) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS ( still the only constantly bad group).
To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims ( Assad and Iran ) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good ( Doh!.)
Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal ( mmm.might have a point.) and hence we will be seen as Bad.
So now we have America ( now bad ) and Britain ( also bad ) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels ( bad ) many of whom are looking to IS ( Good / bad ) for support against Assad ( now good ) who, along with Iran ( also Good) and Putin ( also, now, unbelievably, Good ) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?
So, now you fully understand everything, all your questions are answered!!!!
It's not as simple as that.
See. Clear as a fucking bell, except change a couple of those goods to bads and you got it!
Anybody know Wolf Blitzer' s email? He could read this on CNN tomorrow and then everybody would finally know exactly what is going on!
@tuttisaluti -- that is a classic! Better than anything out of DC or the MSM.
So is Abadi a goodie?
It's all fun and games to the Anglo-American Hegemeon until they ask for RUS or CHN to intervene.
When the Persian Empire straddled most of the Middle East it is said it was the golden age of Islam. They made serious advances in medicine, mathematicas, atronomy, the physical sciences and more. Once they were over run by the Sunnis, that was lost and replaced with a blood thirsty, retributive oligarchy of crazed hoodlums who called themselves leaders. The Persian Empire is being re-established now, and it will stretch from Afghanistan to the Turkish border. Of course once Iraq and Syria are brought into the fold, Saudia Arabia will be isolated, and it will fall, perhaps sooner than any of us realize. That will almost complete the destruction of the barbarians, except of course for the deep state barbarians in Washington and Tel Aviv, who have miraculously, fucked up the entire project. They 'won' a war and lost an entire region, and if I were one of them I would be very worried right now. They don't have a very bright future. And in case any of them don't realize it, it is common practice for each level in that organization to throw the lower level under the bus. C'Ya boyz.
It's a bit like Costa Rica, doing well because they have no costs for a military.
If US and Co. have their own terrorist groups-why cannot Russia and Co. have one of their own too? Welcome to the jungle baby.
When George Bush announced combat operations in Iraq had begun, America let out a collective cheer. The great victory in Iraq was to be followed by a victory parade in down town New York. That parade NEVER happened, the resistance fighting broke out before troops could come home and march in New York. Now look where we are all these year later!
And worse yet! Libya has a major city now totally under ISIS with their expansion happening at a rapid rate. Europeans still flow into ISIS, the pathetic EU can't stop thousands of UK citizens from flowing into North Africa to join ISIS.
We refuse to accept responsibility for our lunatic crimes. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and others.
And Ukraine has begun shelling Donbass cities again, another 272 Ukrainian tanks have been brought up to jumping off points for an assault on Donestsk.
All this shit, we owe to Washingtons Zionists & Neo-Conservatives. They run foreign policy. They command EU leaders and NATO. Tomorrow Britain will debate joining the bombing of Syria, all illegal if I might add that. Syria has not asked Britain to attack it. Yet Cameron must follow America.
As Americans we refuse to demand these fuckers stop this shit.
+1 Jack. The Donald should take this up in his campaign rhetoric...he would really make some hay against Hitlerly and the establishment GOP Israeli lovers by just saying, "Get us out of the the Middle East."
Sadly look who his daughter married. Look who Paris Hilton's sister married. The Reptilians.
Gees Jack. Today it occurred to me I may have to send an email to Russia and ask them to send a couple of nukes and clean out some of the dead wood. Talk about a lost society. The inmates are in control of the nuthouse.
If you didn't have lackeys like our Australian John Howard or the Brit Tony Blair you would not been able. We need to work on all fronts that Dresdenizing (see photos of Dresden, 1945) the world will not have good outcomes and the fewer people enlist, the more we 'cast3ate' their possibilities for destruction. Some of us have no other weapons than words to attack the racket, but we must use them. We will be trolled by the system, of course, but the more we write, the more trolls they have to hire.
Meanwhile, Germany and others pay for the refugee wave that THEIR invasion unleashed.
Vince Vaughn joined a Shia militia?
Apart from pissing everyone off, what is America actually doing in the ME?
At this point.... you'd have to be a fucking idiot to go over there and fight for these corporations. You'd certainly not be fighting for any moral cause...
Not at all - somebody needs to Test & Evaluate this Materiel and it might as well be you.
"Not at all - somebody needs to Test & Evaluate this Materiel and it might as well be you."
Thanks but no thanks. I have no dog in this hunt. I'd just as soon leave US corporation out of it since US corp chooses to extort money from me to pay for this bullshit.
I have no beef with those people who live over there. If other corporations want to go in and carve up countries... let' 'em have at it. It would be similar to the original Rollerball movie from the 70's. Let Exxon-Mobil (or whom ever) create some fancy uniforms and buy a lot of gunz and go in there....It would still be shitty for the countries over there getting sacked... but it would also be a bit more honest. If UTC or Raytheon wants to go kill some folks to test shit out it only seems right that they should step up to the plate and take the heat.
Notice how your point of reference is a 40-year-old sports science action film - on the other hand a little specialized knowledge and experience might come in handy when the SHTF on your block for real.
A long history of numerous CRUSADES, by varous Europeans, and now us, show the best to be:
1. muslim killing muslim
2. many muslims killing many muslims - been goinmg on since 700 A.D.
3. French killing muslims
4. Britons killing muslims
5. Germans killing muslims
6. Ialians -papists killing muslims
7. Baltic peoples killing muslims-think serbs
8. Russians killing muslims-think Cosacks
9. Various Africans killing muslims - think anybody and everybody against Boko-Haram, and Sudan
10. Hindus killing muslims, think India and Pakistan, for centuries
10. more local muslims killing more muslims - anywhere you care to look, e.g, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Libyia, Syria, Kurds, Turks, etc.
10. Get the message - let history be your guide. Why?
Because they are hate filled homicidal maniacs whenever and wherever in history and NOW.
So all of you pathetic liberal do-gooders, tree huggers, activists for a better world, and stupid shits who believe that violent people can be cured or stopped with love and hugs - we the realists want you to volunteer to be Boots on the Groundat he direction of the likes of McCain and Graham - whosae heads are so far up their ass that no lesson of failed American military intervention can be perceived or admitted, so the always damn fine U.S. Marines can avoid the coming blood bath and stay home with their families, instead of covering for you worthless shits - on both the left and right.
From your list, i begin to feel that the whole world is bloodthirsty monsters trying always to kill Muslims. And that Muslims are indestructible.
I remember and always wondered why king Richards had to travel all the way from England to attack Muslims in a crusade.
Even now the Muslims who are killing Muslims were trained, paid, equipped by western sources.
So, who exactly are homicidal maniacs?
What comes to mind is that western propaganda is fantastic.
It makes even smart people like you to see a twisted reality.
jldpc, the Crusades were a response to 300 years of Islamic attacks on European cities, leaving them in smoldering ruins, looting anything not nailed down, and leaving the dead and dying everywhere and taking slaves.
Learn your history.
I said many moons ago that the wars in Afganistan and Iraq were wrong and worse yet that it would only end one way with them reverting to their natural states which is bad and I knew all that years ago.
Ok I get that our government is going to do shit that I won't always agree with and I get that it does things that it thinks are in at least it's own best interest but to see it just step on it's own dick and realize that I might in fact have a greater fundamental understanding of the region with very amature and extremely cursory knowledge based on just a few hours of study is the most frightening part of all this.
It's like ok if there are nefarious purposes to all this that result in something working for someone that I am not understanding help me out but it seems like we are running in circles trying to put out a fire carrying a million gallon gas can that is leaking as we run and setting the entire region on ever increasing fire.
So is that the goal they are after? I don't believe I am smarter than them even though it might seem so given the idiocy that they keep getting into over there I think maybe they have a goal that is ok settting back our previous efforts decades if not centuries and creating total chaos it seems that can be the only answer.
Are we walking in muddy water which will eventually clear up...or are we walking around in a bunch of shit? Looking more like the second explanation...
Listen it's a clear sign of desperation , tuwhoops on the ground ( trust me no troops who are not on meth and won't last 10 minutes will go into this volcanic molten lava/raging inferno willingly.
Private Booz Spooks & Mercs is the dying Empire's last resort/throw of the dice before it implodes in a Debt Armageddon.
A No Fly Buffer over Libya was a Teddy Bear's Picnic compared to exposing yourself To Hell and No Way Back. To any misguided troops it's not too late to throw yourself at the mercy of your parents and move back into their basement like everyone else in civvy street.
Zbigniew Brzezinski's THE GRAND CHESSBOARD -" seems to be in tatters. MIT & CIA need a new Silver lining Playbook before the dollars tanks too.
ISIS = Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. Iraq is to the east of Jordan (shaped like the hatchet) and Syria is to the north.
ISIL = Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Iraq is still to the east of Jordan, and “the Levant” is a term that comes from “the rising (of the sun, i.e., to the east)” - and is basically the land along the Mediterranean - that includes Lebanon, Israel, and those countries along that region.
By saying ISIL, you “negate” Israel as its own country and lump it in with the rest of the countries along the Mediterranean - and Israel sort of disappears (loses its sovereignty) and becomes part of “the Levant ” - which is therefore part of ISIL.
If you've wondered, as I have, why all government agencies and especially Obama calls it ISIL and they even spell it out every time it’s used, instead of ISIS as the rest of the world, here's the answer.
Decoding Obama’s speech reveals some startling revelations.
In one press conference after another, when referring to the Muslim terror super-group ISIS, United States President Barack Obama will use the term ISIL, instead of their former name ISIS, or current name Islamic State.
Have you ever wondered about that? Here is the difference: What makes up the near exact center of the Muslim Levant? Israel.
ISIL stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant. Now, to us Westerners we don't really make much of a distinction, do we? No, honestly from our perspective it’s all about the same. But how would a Muslim living in the Middle East view it? Just what is the Levant anyway? Let’s take a look.
The geographical term LEVANT refers to a multi-nation region in the Middle East. It’s a land bridge between Turkey to the north and Egypt to the south.
If you look on a map, however, in the near exact middle of the nations that comprise the Levant, guess what you see? It’s Israel.
When Barack Obama refers over and over to the Islamic State as ISIL, he is sending a message to Muslims all over the Middle East that he personally does not recognize Israel as a sovereign nation, but as territory belonging to the Islamic State.
Now you know why Obama says that he has no plan, no goal, and no stated aim for dealing with ISIS. But he does have a plan, and it’s a really nasty, diabolical one. Obama’s plan is to drag his feet for as long as he can, doing only the bare minimum that Congress forces him to do. His plan is to buy ISIL as much time as possible to make as many gains as they can.
Listen as Obama, his press secretary, the spokesperson for the State Department, and his Joint Chiefs of Staff painstakingly spell out the letters I-S-I-L so there is no doubt in your mind. And it’s working.
The Islamic State has garnered millions of dollars, a vast cache of weapons, and in their latest foray have captured Syrian fighter jets and now 12 commercial passenger planes. With each passing day that Obama fulfills his stated aim of doing nothing, the Islamic State grows by leaps and bounds.
The ultimate goal, of course, has not changed and will never change. The ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel.
Now you know a little bit more about why Obama chooses his words so carefully.
Let's hope the US Army has enough body bags they will need it to bring those soldiers back home.
There are now majority shias ruling Iraq
and shias love Americans - as dead
Americans are gonna face a warm & bloody welcome
Even if you give each shia a sword,
they can take on drug addicted homosexual Americans
& send them back as mincemeat
Meanwhile, those in touch with the real world who've been in The Sandbox find such ridiculous hypotheticals highly entertaining.
So, you were assigned this site 12 weeks ago, Or are iyou a freelancer?
So, pre-2003 there was a situation in the ME where you had some unpleasant rulers but hey they always had that. Things were fine, the economy was great, oil was not too expensive. Things were under control. Then, "they" decided to go and change that all. Why? Because some guy wrote a book about a chess board? Or some deluded souls thought they could bring freedom and democracy (and all that)? Why, risk a situation that was under control?
Putin just checked Obama through his Iraqi/Irani-Shia proxy.
Did Obama send to Iraq/Syria 50 special forces or are they his sacrificial lambs for geo-political gain?
"This war doesn't end in Syria." Nop!: Libyan Sirte becomes new ISIS stronghold with direct sea route to Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjykykyains
What makes you think the USSF are there to fight against ISIS? Logic suggests they are there to check Iranian influence and will end up aiding ISIL there as they have in Syria.
Too many questions being asked in this thread. Another false flag in 3...2....1
I think very few DC politicians realize how much Iraqis hate Americans. I mean, 95% of ALL IRAQIS HATE AMERICA. the other 5% are the Iraqis who are profiting from all of the bloodshed. The truth of the matter is that pretty much all of the Iraqis - even those whose families were murdered by Saddam - know they were better off with Saddam holding the reins.
Iraq has gone back to full on local tribalism. I spend a lot of time in Iraq and the Shia Militias control the ground and the Iraqi government to a large extent. That is a fact.
The Iraqi president rejects us boots on the ground because the ground is already covered in old boots and new US supplied Nikes.
Iraq has been left with no long term options except to partner with Iran and Rusia.
Once again the US is uninvited, unwanted and totaly clueless.
The Syrian no fly zone could be extended into Iraq at very small cost if a request were made and as a sovereign country they have already called for asistance from Russia.
People tend to forget that with the exception of the Iran/Iraq gulf war what used to be called "Arab Nations" in that area mostly had trade and peace with one another, indeed the state of Israel gave them all a common united goal to rally around regardless of being Baathist, Royalist Arab Nationalist etc.
The Bush43 Iraq war was the end of any united arab plan in the region to the advantage of just one player.
Today there is no Arab Nationism it has been replaced by exotic terms like extremist muslim, islamic fanatic, mujadeen militants.
But i guess the majority of people there are just normal folks who like us just dont give a damn and want to be left alone.
Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya had excellent infrastructure, education and medical services that most Americans could never dream of.
US ended up bankrupting it's own economy to create the worlds biggest graveyard demolition site.
Was it worth it? Kharma's a Bitch.