Iraqi PM Rejects US "Boots On Ground" As Shiite Militias Pledge To Kill US Soldiers

Tyler Durden's picture

There are probably a lot of lessons we can learn from the conflict in Syria. 

We might, for instance, pause and reflect on the morality of subjecting millions of people to untold pain and suffering in pursuit of geopolitical expediency. Or we could make a serious effort to reevaluate a foreign policy that too often centers around bringing about regime change in far away lands without considering the ramifications and potential for blowback. 

Of course that kind of deep self-reflection will never happen in Washington, but fortunately, there’s a far simpler lesson that requires very little in the way of high level thinking to understand. Here it is: arming and funding Islamic militants you just met is always a bad idea. 

In the worst case scenario you lose control of them only to watch in horror as the Frankenstein you created escapes from the lab, rumbles out of the castle, and proceeds to terrorize and murder all the villagers. In the best case scenario, they do what you thought they were going to do (in this case fight Assad’s army) but they occasionally go off the rails and blow up a Russian search and rescue helicopter after executing one of Moscow’s pilots. 

In Syria, the FSA falls into the “best case scenario” category but as we’ve been at pains to explain, arming them now makes even less sense than it did initially because, i) you risk starting a world war as they are using US-supplied weapons to fire on Iranian soldiers and Russian equipment, and, on a practical level, ii) they’re using US-supplied weapons to kill the same Iran-backed Shiite militiamen who are fighting with the Iraqi regulars just across the border. 

Consider the following excerpts from various media outlets: 

Shi'ite Muslim militiamen and Iraqi army forces launched a counter-offensive against Islamic State insurgents near Ramadi on Saturday, a militia spokesman said, aiming to reverse potentially devastating gains by the jihadi militants. - Reuters, May 23


U.S. airstrikes targeting ISIS around Ramadi are proving "not very effective," according to the head of the Iran-backed militias surrounding the conquered Iraqi city. "We expect more from the Americans," Hadi al-Ameri told NBC News. "There are no real airstrikes against ISIS headquarters." - NBC, June 23


Iraqi forces and the Shiite militias fighting alongside them announced Friday that they had retaken the oil refinery at Baiji from Islamic State militants, in some of the first significant progress against the extremist group after months of stalled efforts. - New York Times, October 16


Iraq’s official military doesn’t appear to be in any position to take on ISIS. Shiite militia groups have proved much more effective at fighting ISIS than Iraq’s official military, and it’s the Shiites who are taking the lead in the Iraqi government’s new campaign to retake Anbar. - Slate, May 26, 2015

You get the idea. 

Make no mistake, there are some very serious questions about these militias' human rights record, but the point is that when it comes to fighting Sunni extremists, there's no one better to have on your side than fearsome Shiite militiamen even if some of those militiamen were responsible for killing hundreds of US soldiers with copper-tipped IEDs during the Iraq occupation. 

As we documented extensively in "Who Really Controls Iraq? Inside Iran's Powerful Proxy Armies," Tehran controls these fighters and thanks to their effectiveness on the battlefield, the militias effectively control the US-armed Iraqi regulars. As Reuters noted in October, "the Fifth Iraqi Army Division now reports to the militias’ chain of command, not to the military’s, according to several U.S. and coalition military officials. The division rarely communicates with the Defence Ministry’s joint operation command, from which Abadi and senior Iraqi officers monitor the war, the officials said."

Here's a bit more color from the same investigative piece that should give you an idea of what's going on in Iraq:

Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, a Shi’ite, came to office just over a year ago backed by both the United States and Iran. He promised to rebuild the fragmented country he inherited from his predecessor, Nuri al-Maliki, who was widely accused of fueling sectarian divisions. Since then, though, even more power has shifted from the government to the militia leaders.


Those leaders are friendly with Abadi. But the most influential describe themselves as loyal not only to Iraq but also to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Three big militias – Amiri’s Badr Organisation, Asaib Ahl al-Haq and Kataib Hezbollah – use the Iranian Shi’ite cleric’s image on either their posters or websites. Badr officials describe their relationship with Iran as good for Iraq’s national interests.

Iraq, for all intents and purposes, is now an Iranian colony both politically and militarily. 

In the wake of the US invasion in 2003, Tehran was concerned that the Cheney Bush administration would move to invade Iran next. This, along with a desire to aid the Americans in fighting The Taliban in Afghanistan (who Iran now covertly supports in an effort to usurp ISIS influence), led the IRGC to forge a quasi-friendly relationship with The Pentagon. And then George Bush put Iran in his infamous "Axis of Evil." From that point forward the Quds encouraged Iraq's Shiite militias to target American troops, which goes a long way towards explaining why the US accuses Iran of being the world's number one state sponsor of terror (of course that's absurd, but hey, we didn't say it, Washington did). 

Fast forward to 2015 and the US has essentially comes to terms with the fact that Iran's proxies are going to fight ISIS alongside the Iraqi regulars. It's only annoying for Washington when those proxies say things like this: "the United States lacks the decisiveness and the readiness to supply weapons needed to eliminate militancy in the region." But while it's fine to taunt the US regarding Washington's highly suspicious lack of commitment to the fight against ISIS in Iraq, Iran is not keen on seeing a sizeable US troop presence on its border (again) which is why it should come as no surprise to you that on the heels of Ash Carter's announcement earlier today that the US is set to send SpecOps to Iraq, Kataib Hezbollah immediately threatened to attack them. Here's Retuers

"We will chase and fight any American force deployed in Iraq," said Jafaar Hussaini, a spokesman for one of the Shi'ite armed groups, Kata'ib Hezbollah. "Any such American force will become a primary target for our group. We fought them before and we are ready to resume fighting."

Badr Organisation and Asaib Ahl al-Haq (mentioned above) weren't far behind: 

"All Iraqis look to (the Americans) as occupiers who are not trustworthy," said Muen al-Kadhimi, a senior aide to the leader of the Badr Organisation.

"The militias, grouped with volunteer fighters under a government-run umbrella, are seen as a bulwark in Iraq's battle against Islamic State," Reuters adds.

Predictably, PM Abadi was out just hours later reiterating (he already said this once back in October) that Iraq does "not need foreign ground combat forces on Iraqi land."

Obviously, these pronouncements might as well have been issued directly from Tehran because that's unquestionably who's pulling the strings here, but this does set up an interesting scenario. Washington probably wasn't looking for permission in the first place despite Carter's lip service to Baghdad on Tuesday. The US will likely embed the Spec Ops with the Peshmerga via the KRG in Erbil. 

The question then, is this: if the Iraqi regulars are now loyal to the Shiite militias and if Iran is pulling the strings in Baghdad, what will the relationship be between a US/Peshmerga effort to fight ISIS and an Iran/Iraqi effort? Furthermore, what happens if Russia begins bombing ISIS targets in Iraq? 

Time will tell, but the big picture takeaway here is this: this war doesn't end in Syria. 

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Bonus: Visuals of Iraqi Shiite fighters

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ghengis86's picture

Well that escalated quickly!

(Not really...15 years in the making)

Bumpo's picture


Winning Hearts and Minds through Random Warfare

NotApplicable's picture

Oh, it's far from random.

two hoots's picture


Ashton Carter is hell bent on defeating ISIS (and all other global military threats).  His offensive/aggressive approach is likely too late as we have helped created a larger, more organized and much angrier foe, not to mention the presence of both Iran and Russia.   This is either success or the last embarrassing hurrah for both the US and those EU countries that join us.  Additionally we are going to operate in sovereign countries without request or welcome.  Best to our troops. 


TungstenBars's picture

Fuck the US troops. 

They can either ditch uncle sam or die in the middle east like criminals. Their choice. 

Flagit's picture

Um, yea. My sentiments exactly.

Don't look for fucking sympathy from me because you took a job that involved getting shot or IED'd.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Flagit Dec 1, 2015 7:20 PM

Obama handlers:

Get out, let her fester, add ISIS and they will beg us to return for 100 yrs.

Paveway IV's picture

OK, we already added ISIS to Iraq and were letting it fester. As a matter of fact, it was exactly to weaken the Shiite militias so the U.S.-backed Iraqi regular army and the Kurds could move in after the smoke cleared and take control. You know how those schemes end up for the U.S., right? Hint: Let's expand ISIS in Syria because it will weaken Assad's forces and the FSA can move in after the smoke clears and take control.

And you DO realize where the Shiite militias came from, don't you? Yeah, that was us. See, we figured they would be a great help in defeating Saddam Hussein, so we kind of encouraged them to fight with/for us, but then we refused to arm them because they're kind of dangerous. They were really pissed at us. Go figure.

And you DO realize where Saddam Hussein came from, don't you? Yeah, that was us, too. See, when he was fighting Israel's... er, the U.S.s arch-enemy IRAN, we figured we could use Hussein to beat up on the Iranians. I think there was some scandal about us giving him intelligence on Iranian troop formations so he could use his chemical weapons (supplied by the U.S. and U.K.) to fight Iran. At any rate, he didn't want to sell Israel oil and had trouble swallowing the Rothschild banks, so he had to go.

And yo DO realize where the great enemy Iran came from, don't you? Yeah, that was kind of us, too. See, we staged a coup to put our corrupt, psychopathic puppet - the Shah - in charge of Iran, but he wasn't too good to his own people. In fact, he was quite an asshole. Like every other profanely rich tyrant and U.S. lapdog, he was eventually overthrown by angry little people who had much more to gain under a repressive Islamic state than they did under the corrupt Shah. Oops!

And now my story has become tiresome.

chunga's picture

Without all that happening, wouldn't those poor people have fallen victim to another boogie-man that's always lurking?

That's right.........the dreaded vacuum would've gotten them!

DrunkenMonkey's picture

Indeed, and not forgetting that arming the mujjahaddin in Afghanistan helped turn their country into a thriving hub of scholarity and industriousness. /s

chunga's picture

I can sympathize with people getting their legs blown off but the barage of requests for money to help them afterwards should tell them something else. Their own MIC will throw them away when they're done with them. But, they have plenty of money to waste billions on boondoggle planes that can barely even fly.

Freddie's picture

$10 trillion dollars stolen from American taxpayers, millions dead in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and other places, thousands of Americans dead and the sheep Americans just go along.  Congress does nothing.

Bushes, clintions, Obama = all the same.  It never ends.

Oldwood's picture

It has NEVER been any different. Its what humans do.

As Carlin says, anyone who thinks they can "fix" it IS the problem.

Until humans actually change their own nature, nothing else will change, and no amount of manipulation by progressives will change anything except make it of unintended consequences.

MotherAyahuasca's picture

It really, really does NOT have to remain the same.  It CAN and MUST end. Remember....


Rise like lions from slumber

In unvanquishable number!


Shake the chains to Earth, like Dew

That in your sleep had fallen on you!



Aussie V's picture

Is that quote from Duck Soup, or Animal Crackers?

I'm sure it was Groucho.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Is that an Oregon Ducks flag in the last picture?

fauxhammer's picture

Indeed.  They get a Ducks flag with every gross of white Nikes delivered.

Kaiser Sousa's picture

“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”

Henry Kissinger

Oldwood's picture

as are American "consumers".

chunga's picture

The troops should know by now that they are sent off to fight wars for bankers who want money. USSA will not stop until they either destroy the entire ME or die trying. My opinion is they should be brought home and should have never signed up because that's what they do.

Right after 9/11 you could say they thought they were fighting for freedom and democracy, but not any moar. It's all bullshit.

two hoots's picture

This is a directive not choice, our military is not a democracy.  You don't pick and chose your missions.  We could all agree the world would be a better place without ISIS/terrorist of all sorts.  Our soldiers, misguided or not will do their best, when tasked, to do this.  Without them, past or present, we would not being having this privilege to disagree.  We best get this right this time.

chunga's picture

If our borders were being threatened I'd agree with you but they're not. If that were the case both me and my son would fight too. I fail to see how fucking up countries all over the globe, over and over again, affords privileges to anybody.

two hoots's picture


It’s best to fight and defeat an enemy before they get to your borders, people living on the border would agree.  I do agree with your overall sentiments.


maxwellsdemon's picture

two hoots; 'we have met the enemy and he is us' (more properly the deep state/CIA/Mossad)

This country has been hoodwinked by ZioCon bankster filfth since 1913 at least, when the scam called the Federal Reserve was created by crooked politicians to give complete control of the creation of our money to a private cabal of bankers and the timing was right before WWI, in order for the Reserve to buy the war debt from the British and French.  The Fed reserve enabled Wilson to increase the federal debt from 1 billion in 1913 to 26 billion by 1918.   The plan of WWI was to destroy Gemany politically and economically so as to by the assets there on the cheap.  Banksters create money out of thin air to create loans to us and have the audacity to charge interest on it even though the cost is nothing to them and they have nothing at risk as the fed reserve creates any liquidiy that is needed to cover losses. They seize assets they haven't contributed one bit to build, when they tighten credit and loans cannot be repaid.  Screw the banksters.   Let our government seize the Federal Reserve as it has a legal right to do, make it truly Federal, and issue 100 year zero percent loans to states for infrastrucure repair:

911 was a CIA/MOSSAD job.   The proof?  First you should already be aware that the 1993 WTC bombing was a FBI/CIA job.   The 1993 WTC bomb was made by the FBI informant Emad Salem.  The FBI filmed Salem making the bomb using FBI supplied bomb parts, yet allowed the jihadist group to drive the 1000 lb bomb to the WTC parking garage and allowed it to explode.   The whole false flag went bust when Salem gave over 600 audio tapes he made to the judge in the case.  The FBI continues to pretend they solved the case by finding an axle rod in the rubble (go to 3:45 to hear the good.

Now fast forward to Oct 2000.  Three men are overheard by an IDF veteran, speaking in Hebrew,  of a plot to crash planes into the WTC and bring the US into a war in the ME.  The IDF veteran, Andras Szekely, went to the FBI in Newark and was interviewed.  The FBI refuses to release the interview although they acknowledge they interviewed him.

To see that the WTC was detonated from the inside, watch the following video "9/11:the towers of dust" and pause at 1 minute 17 seconds.  You will see that the 1400 foot tall WTC 1 was turned into a crater whose center is at ground level.  This is impossible in a gravity collapse as the rubble should have formed a pile 100 feet high at the center, not zero feet high.  The towers appear to be exploding when they collapse because they are exploding outward from charges placed inside and from cutting charges/thermate that cut the columns.

Do a youtube search on the "Israeli art sudents" inside the WTC for 4 years; they were photographed wearing rapelling gear, having numerous fuse boxes, doing drawings of frightened people jumping from the building and even drawings of the WTC exploding.

The 5 dancing Israeli's found watching and filming the events of 911 before the first plane hit and 3 of whom later admitted to being there in order to 'document the event' when they were interviewed on Israeli TV


The pentagon attack was a complete false flag; just watch one of Barbara Honegger's 3 hour videos to learn that a small drone (painted white) tried to crash into the pentagon helipad located about 100 feet north of where we were told the 757 hit; the lawn in front of the pentagon was scorched black and littered with numerous small drone fragments while the helipad firehouse clocks stopped at 9:31.  We were told that the west wedge was hit at 9:38 and clocks located there stopped at that time, while the lawn in front of the building was pristine (no plane debris); the columns bowed sideways there not inwards as would happen if a plane had hit it, and 90 to 95% of the damage was on the ground level as described in the pentagon performance review.  But a 757 measured from the bottom of the engines up, is 30 feet.


Listen to the taxi driver who claimed his taxi was hit by a lightpole at the pentagon admit that he was part of a conspiracy of 'rich people'

moneybots's picture

"To see that the WTC was detonated from the inside, watch the following video "9/11:the towers of dust" and pause at 1 minute 17 seconds.  You will see that the 1400 foot tall WTC 1 was tuned into a crater whose center is at ground level.  This is impossible in a gravity collapse as the rubble should have formed a pile 100 feet high at the center, not a zero feet high. The towers appear to be exploding when they collapse because they are exploding outward from charges placed inside and from cutting charges/thermate that cut the columns."

Total fantasy.

There was no detonation from the inside.  When Two World Trade collapsed, a news reporter was across the street at a staging area.  His mike was on.  The camera operator tilted up and caught the collapse on camera just as it began.  There were no sounds of explosions, just a rumble of sound as the upper section fell down upon the floors below it.

It is silly to claim the pile should have been a certain configuration if it was a gravity collapse.  The interior columns and other debris which was not pulverised, would have remained within the footprint regardless whether there were any explosions or not, as that is where it would have been confined during the collapse.  Pulverized debris was forced out the windows while the exterior columns were still in place, as the collapse progressed.

The Towers appeared to be exploding because the kinetic energy produced by the collapse, along with the collapse of the air space between floors, rapidly forced pulverized debris out the windows. 


maxwellsdemon's picture

Wrong;  it is apparent to even a child that when interior columns collapse and buildings fall in on themselves, that a rubble PILE will appear.  But what happened on 911 was a CRATER!!!!  Impossible unless massive amounts of energy expanded the bulding material into a cloud.

And there was massive continuous detonation from the inside.  This is the video you are referring to.  The audio was muffled during the seconds as the building collapsed when it was broadcast by the MSM, but here it is with the original sound and you can hear the reporter suddenly blurt out as the building's debris shoots outward "there is a huge explosion!...'


I'm not accusing you of being a hasbara troll, but your comments are really senseless and even display a childlike level of reasoning.   The MOSSAD/CIA/deep state must be aware that TENS OF MILILIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE WOKEN UP TO THIS PERFIDIOUS ATTACK ON OUR SOIL!!!!! This is not a 'pearl harbor' attack; this is 'stab you in the back' attack by our own government traitors and the Mossad.   Amazing that they think this is going to end well for them.  It's not.  The truth is coming out and it's unstoppable.


And cell phones don't work at 35K feet while flying 500 mph over rural pennsylvania.  You can hear CeeCee Lyles voice even say at the end of the cell phone call she made to her husband, the words "it's a frame"


And gosh you really wrote this "The Towers appeared to be exploding because the kinetic energy produced by the collapse, along with the collapse of the air space between floors, rapidly forced pulverized debris out the windows"

Wow, pathetic.  Laughable really


BarkingCat's picture

No one has any idea as they are all speculating.
I would give a little more credence to an opinion given by a physicist or a structural engineer but even they will not agree amongst themselves and you will get a range of opinions.

Before you completely trust an opinion of an engineer watch a montage on YouTube of Engineering Disasters.

OzFan's picture

Take your shill bullshit far away you zio shill bastard.


MisterMousePotato's picture

"If our borders were being threatened ..."

You're kidding, right?

BarkingCat's picture

I hope you are referring to the Mexican invasion that is occurring on the southern border and the Federal government doing nothing about it. Hell they are encouraging it and suing any state that tries to stop it.

supersajin's picture

Let's pray for the sacrificial unit who gets captured by "ISIS" which will be used to drum up war in America.

OldPhart's picture

If he's so hell bent on defeating them, why not ask Obama to quit training, arming and funding them.

Oldwood's picture

Contain, not defeat. As with WWII, we were not trying to kill all of those we were fighting, only obtain control over them for our own benefit. ISIS is their tool, one that they have no control over. They have done NOTHING to stop or defeat them, and have only acted to slow them at best.

11b40's picture

Ashton Carter will take orders from the MIC just like all the rest of the shits in the DOD.  He will headfake and move as he is told to move.

two hoots's picture

11bangbang.  This is Ashton Carter's time in the sun.  He has watched from a few paces back but it is his turn.  He owns this. 

monk27's picture

Every idiot has his 5 minutes of fame in life... AC is a perfect example for the intelectual level of the Obozo administration.

11b40's picture

He doesn't own shit, and if he crosses Obummer again, like he just did, he will have the same fate as Hagel.

TRM's picture

The USA will do what it has done ever since Korea. Declare victory, go home, make movies where they are the victorious good guys and start screwing up some other place. Wash, rinse, repeat.

monk27's picture

Can't they just declare victory now, before getting into any more nonsense ?

Johnny Horscaulk's picture
Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) two hoots Dec 2, 2015 6:29 AM

Poor brainwashed fuck.

Paveway IV's picture

Kind of OT but worth the mention:

Are You Sure About That? Why Erdogan Shouldn't Have Asked for Proof


The Zero Hedge Investigation

Zero Hedge, a financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources, presented its own selection of related articles on the issue.


As part of their continuing effort to track and document the Daesh (ISIL/ISIS) oil trade, they turned to a study by George Kiourktsoglou, Visiting Lecturer, University of Greenwich, London and Dr Alec D Coutroubis, Principal Lecturer, University of Greenwich, London...

Yes, just when you think things can't possibly get any stranger, FARSNews sources ZH. 

Congrats again on the fine series of articles, Tyler(s). Be careful, or you'll start attracting all kinds of riff-raff with 'interesting' articles.

Flagit's picture

Like the articles are not already co-opted.

Nary a week goes by without some underlying issue emerging from the folds of the article.


Don't get me wrong, it's still one of the best we have right now.

OldPhart's picture

Perhaps that also means that, as commentors, our voice extends much further than we thought?

toejam's picture

The commentors here are the best source for information that I've found. Funny as hell too.

Bangin7GramRocks's picture

Hey Buddy, dey still proteckin' r freedoms or what?

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Fukushima Fricassee (not verified) ghengis86 Dec 1, 2015 6:58 PM

Obama had better pucker his queer ass and quick. Then call the press to blame the 2nd amendment for climate change.

Dubaibanker's picture

Welcome back, Americans!

Close to 4,500 US citizens have died just in Iraq since 2003 (officially, ahem!).

While close to 1,500,000 Iraqis have been killed (mostly civilians who were not terrorised but by now they all think like terrorists, ahem!).

If US had half a brain, they would leave the Middle East! But greed of war and lust of power is what brings them to the valley of their own death!

When will US citizens wake up? Sheesh.......