Yes, Turkey IS Buying Oil from ISIS

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In response to Russia’s accusation that Turkey is buying oil from ISIS, the Turkish president said that – if that is proven to be true – he’ll resign.

It turns out that Turkey is buying oil from ISIS.

The Guardian reported this summer:

US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

 

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.

As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two.

 

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In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

ABC news Australia points out today:

In June 2014, a member of Turkey’s parliamentary opposition, Ali Edibogluan, claimed that IS had smuggled $800 million worth of oil into Turkey from Syria and Iraq, according to the Al Monitor website.

 

He cited oil fields at Rumaila in northern Syria and others near Mosul in Iraq, saying that IS had laid pipes allowing it to “transfer the oil to Turkey and parlay it into cash”.

 

“Turkey’s cooperation with thousands of men of such a mentality is extremely dangerous,” he said, according to the Al Monitor report.

 

“Similar pipes exist also at [the Turkish border regions of] Kilis, Urfa and Gaziantep … they take the oil from the refineries at zero cost.

 

“Using primitive means, they refine the oil in areas close to the Turkish border and then sell it via Turkey.”

 

Now, a former Iraqi member of parliament has backed up those claims.

 

“In the last eight months [IS] has managed to sell what is $800 million worth of oil in the black market of Turkey. This is Iraqi oil and Syrian oil, and these are carried by trucks from Iraq, from Syria, through the borders to Turkey and sold … [at] less than 50 per cent of the international oil price,” Mowaffak al Rubaie said in an interview with the Russian channel RT.

 

“It has always been sold in the region of $21-22 for the barrel.

 

“Now this either gets consumed inside, the crude is refined on Turkish territory by the Turkish refineries, and sold in the Turkish market. Or it goes to Jihan and then in the pipelines from Jihan to the Mediterranean and sold to the international market.

 

“Money and dollars generated by selling Iraqi and Syrian oil on the Turkish black market is like the oxygen supply to [IS] and its operation.

 

“Once you cut the oxygen then [IS] will suffocate.”

 

The former Iraqi MP said there was “no shadow of a doubt” that the Turkish government knew about the smuggling operations.

 

“The merchants, the businessmen [are buying oil] in the black market in Turkey under the noses, under the auspices if you like, of the Turkish intelligence agency and the Turkish security apparatus” ….

A statistical analysis performed by  George Kiourktsoglou, Visiting Lecturer, University of Greenwich, London and Dr. Alec D. Coutroubis, Principal Lecturer, University of Greenwich, London, determined that:

It seems that whenever the Islamic State is fighting in the vicinity of an area hosting oil assets, the 13 exports from [the Turkish state-owned oil refinery at] Ceyhan promptly spike. This may be attributed to an extra boost given to crude oil smuggling with the aim of immediately generating additional funds, badly needed for the supply of ammunition and military equipment. 

Kurdish Daily News reported in March:

Sadik Al Hiseni, the head of the security committee in the city of Diyala in Iraq, says they have arrested several Turkish tankers trying to take ISIS oil out of the province of Salahuddin.

Buzzfeed noted last year:

Other sources involved in smuggling Syrian oil into Turkey said that it continued elsewhere along the border on a far greater scale. This testimony — from smugglers and businessmen who have done it themselves — provides a rare look behind the curtain of the trade that has helped make ISIS the world’s richest extremists. “Before, now, and in the future, ISIS is smuggling oil into Turkey,” said one of the businessmen involved, who spoke on the condition that he not be named. “And the border guards close their eyes.”

Aerial photographs taken by Russia allegedly show giant convoys of trucks going from ISIS-controlled oil territory in Syria to Turkey:

© Ministry of defense of the Russian Federation

4-Star General Wesley Clark – who served as the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO – said last week:

Someone’s buying that oil that ISIS is selling, it’s going through somewhere, it looks to me like it’s probably going through Turkey ….

Columbia University’s Institute for the Study of Human Rights notes:

• On September 13, 2014, The New York Times reported on the Obama administration’s efforts to pressure Turkey to crack down on ISIS extensive sales network for oil. James Phillips, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, argues that Turkey has not fully cracked down on ISIS’s sales network because it benefits from a lower price for oil, and that there might even be Turks and government officials who benefit from the trade.

 

• Fehim Tatekin wrote in Radikal on September 13, 2014 about illegal pipelines transporting oil from Syria to nearby border towns in Turkey. The oil is sold for as little as 1.25 liras per liter. Ta?tekin indicated that many of these illegal pipelines were dismantled after operating for 3 years, once his article was published.

 

• According to Diken and OdaTV, David Cohen, a Justice Department official, says that there are Turkish individuals acting as middlemen to help sell ISIS’s oil through Turkey.

 

• On October 14, 2014, a German Parliamentarian from the Green Party accused Turkey of allowing the transportation of arms to ISIS over its territory, as well as the sale of oil.

And Zero Hedge has rounded up a variety of circumstantial evidence indicating that the Turkish leaders are intentionally smuggling ISIS oil into Turkey and then out to the Mediterranean, using the same supply routes used to smuggle “illegal” Kurdish oil.

Will the Turkish president keep his word and resign?

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dirty belly's picture
Reclaiming the Goddess: Stop Using the Name ISIS to Describe a Bunch of Ignorant, Murderous F**ktards

 

Words matter in ‘ISIS’ war, so use ‘Daesh’

"[T]he term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term."

 

dirty belly's picture
Reclaiming the Goddess: Stop Using the Name ISIS to Describe a Bunch of Ignorant, Murderous F**ktards

 

Words matter in ‘ISIS’ war, so use ‘Daesh’

"[T]he term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term."

 

smacker's picture

RT.com has just given a live broadcast from the Russian Defense Minister and Co.

They have provided solid photo evidence that there are three routes of stolen Syrian & Iraqi oil by ISIS going into Turkey. Two go directly to Turkish refineries and one goes to Med ports for onward shipment.

Russia further alleges that the Erdogan and family is involved in this.

Erdogan should now resign.

Gunga's picture

Considering the area ISIS controls in eastern Syria and western Iraq. The Iraqis and Iranians will secure the eastern boundary of ISIS territory. The Syrians will secure the western boundary of ISIS territory. The Russians are going to drive the wine press from north to south and push all of the ISIS vermin into Saudi Arabia.

Dre4dwolf's picture

Hypothesis:

Whats really going on in the world today? Should we be considering people who arm and fund terrorists as terrorists themselves?

Body/Evidence:

NATO is funding and arming ISIS.

All the weapons ISIS has are NATO weapons.

All the vehicles ISIS has are NATO vehicles.

All the money ISIS has is NATO CASH.

At what point do you stand back and realize ISIS = NATO and Russia is Fighting a war with NATO?

In Conclusion:

NATO and the U.S. are ISIS and WWIII has started.

Juvenal laughs's picture

I respectfully refer to my nick.

max29's picture

 

 

To aid

...the Turkish oil truck was captured after Isis withdrew from Base 121 in Hasakah.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-buying-oil-isis-syrian-army-releases-pho...

When IS withdraws oil trucks  are captured.

Another reason why USA brings more groundforces   to fight along - their own IS man - for these captures should to be avoided  and spread worldwide.  And to guide these  oil trucks to the Syrian Turkish coast.

When special forces are mingled in with ISis bombing and their oil is unlikely by Russia Planes

vheissu's picture

So funny, everyday there are like at least 3 turkey buying isis oil articlea and still there is no single proof has been shown. just a photo of random oil trucks, and newspaper reports like "allegedly show giant convoys of trucks going from ISIS-controlled oil territory" "allegedly shows that turkey buying oil from isis" bla bla bla..

I will answer your question : no. no one is resigning. 48 hours past and whole world cant even show 1 hard proof in fact proves that this is a horrible lie. I feel sorry for the people who believes this kind of moronic propaganda.

(ARTICLE DEBUNKED)

IMPORTANT EDIT: I will prove this is anti-turkey propaganda. Check out the picture showing oil trucks allagedly going syria to buy oil from isis. now check left corner of the picture, there is a taxi behind the first truck. see that ? good.

now google syrian taxi, go to images it looks something like this, very light plain yellow :http://xenotropic.net/images/syria/syrian_taxi_damascus_lg.jpg

now google iraqi taxi : https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--a4n5hdGT--/c_fill,f...

See the orange stripes above tyres on white car, yea exactly this is nt even syria. PICTURE is taken at IRAQ. 

And to be honest, debunking this moronoic article took me literally 2mins of google search. 

Dre4dwolf's picture

The proof is in the pudding, everytime Russia bombs an oil truck or destroys a convoy Turkey does something stupid because its getting pissed off at Russia blowing up its oil trade.

If it looks like a Turkey, and Gobbles like a Turkey......................its probably Turkey.

 

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Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) vheissu Dec 2, 2015 6:30 AM

Are you serious?

ebear's picture

You should read more carefully before going off half-cocked.

the photo caption clearly states:

"Sadik Al Hiseni, the head of the security committee in the city of Diyala in Iraq, says they have arrested several Turkish tankers trying to take ISIS oil out of the province of Salahuddin."

So, why are you surprised to see an Iraqi taxi in Iraq?

You were aware that ISIS steals Iraqi oil as well as Syrian, right?

Also note:

The license plate on the first truck's bumper is Turkish. The one behind, same thing. The red plate on the grill is probably a Syrian registration, and the placards in the window are customs permits for crossing a border. This truck was probably engaged in legitimate trade between Turkey and Syria before being hired by ISIS. These are owner operators, going by the chrome wheels and generally clean appearance.

Now notice the condition of the trailers relative to the trucks pulling them, especially the second, which is missing a wheel guard. That, the rust, and the paint-outs suggest a retired/scrapped fleet brought back into service to cope with the demand for tankers in the illicit trade. Those are compressed gas tankers BTW, no doubt repurposed for hauling oil. Tankers just aren't that common that you can make huge convoys of them, even in the middle east.

It all adds up to what the caption states, and I'll bet if you look around a bit you'll find a photo of that mosque in the background, which is no doubt located in Diyala.

So, debunked? Don't think so.

vheissu's picture

I did not surpise to see that picture was taken in Iraq. Other articles accusing Turkey like this had also oil truck convoy pictures, some of them were german trucks, some taken in Iran etc etc.. none of them was legitimate proof of whats going on in syria. What article aims is to psychologically manipulate the reader to link between the russian operation at northern syria and some irrelevant oil truck pictures, suggesting that trucks smuggling oil and russia is the superman to prevent this from happening.. its so amateur. 

Think like this, there could be any countries oil trucks there, syria iraq energy center of the world. what does it mean? it means nothing. maybe local people trade with isis unknowingly or mandatory, who knows? 900 km land border anything can happen. But one thing is certain that turkish state has nothing to do with it. none of the so called proofs shows there is a direct link between isis oil smuggling and turkish state. 

And one more thing, if you can still manage to think objectively, pre syrian war, there was a huge trade boost between syria and turkey. this is natural due to cultural and ethnical link between two folks, if turkish state is so greedy in oil business, the best and easy way to do is to back up assad go back to pre 2011 era. In fact after syrain war has started, all the trade links has lost or broken, and it is the worst case scenario for turkish state. Suggesting that turkey backing up isis in order to buy oil which already were buying before ISIS is the dummest idea ever. 

You need to understand, the most painful colletral damage done by the de-stabilization of middle east is to turkey. beacuse if there is peace and no political crysis, these oil rich middle east countries immediately get closer and closer to turkey. syria iraq palastine azerbajcan turkmenstan kazakhstan, are all connected to turkey by ethnically and culturelly just like, ukraine,crimea,belarussia etc.etc linked to russia. It is so easy to understand, terror and destabilization is no good for turkey in any circumstances, of course you are free to believe this kind of cpropaganda but the truth is, anti-turkey campaign began just because erdogan refuse to be a watchdog of russia. so obvious why cant you see it i dont understand.

Flybyknight's picture

Hey Sherlock Holmes. Salahuddin  is a province in Iraq. ISIS also operates in Iraq. No one said the tankers were from Syria and anyway it is irrelevant as ISIS operates in both Iraq and Syria.

vheissu's picture

Well actually they did. Putin said it ( I know you guys are all gay for him.) russia declared specifically they are aiming isis oil smuggling actions, and russia bombing syria not iraq, right? so it has to be syria. MOAR fake pictures pls?

gezley's picture

All this recent talk of Turkey takes the spotlight off Israel. Just the way they want it.

George Washington's picture

Why not both? Tyler assembled some pretty good circumstantial evidence that Turkey AND Israel are involved.

Johnny Horscaulk's picture
Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) George Washington Dec 2, 2015 6:29 AM

George, we all can see that discussion of Israel's role is muted.

And we understand why. all over the media there are stories about turkey buying isis oil and helping isis - nothing about israel.

For goodness sake the us government has placed additional sanctions on Syria for pirportedly buying isis oil - as the us and turkey and israel and SA help isis and as the us and france bomb syrian oil refineries.

There will never be sanctions for Isrsel though - it can bomb hospitals, it can bomb fucking nursing homes - no sanctions just more money and more stories anout how they are victims of palestinian terror.

When will zh do a story on the occupation or drip drip of Palestinian blood? Clearly there are wrongs on both sides but one side is colonizing and occupying and killing more of the other in land they illegally occupy in contravention of multiple un resolutions.

How in the fuck are they painted as the poor victim? How can every jew stabbed be a front page story but not whole families murdered by jewish settlers or IDF faggots?

How can the Dancing Israelis story be not only memory holed but Orwellized?

Trump And Carson Dead Wrong About 9/11 Celebrators
http://youtu.be/flWqM5xLUPM

wildly disproportionate Jewish power in media and government - thats how.

If we lose the capacity to be honest and to employ free speech, then we are dishonest and unfree.

Israel along with elements of the us government did 9/11 to justify decades of war and the destruction if Israrl's rivals. Hundreds of thousands have died.

Im sorry if people think talking about Isrseli crimes or Jewish power is 'hate' per se, but it is not per se hate anymore thsn discussing white privilege or islamic terror is.

In this case, it appears Israel is once again not being discussed because, why, it makes Israel look bad, what Israel does.

I will not be told that I can criticize my own government as much as I like, or the actions of any other state, just not Israel.

Fuck Israel. Under likud and shas it is a violent racist nightmare with far, far too much power over our government and media.

'Hate speech' is just another term for selective censorship enforced by state violence.

fel.temp.reparatio's picture

If anyone is so inclined... Tyler's? George?

There's this Turkish company called 'Serin Treyler A.S.' based in Konya - they build heavy haulage trailers and tankers.

How are their sales, I wonder? ...now that would indeed be an interesting question ;-)

Panic Mode's picture

The way I see this is the US hopes more conflicts arise between Turkey and Russia. Then US comes out as hero to save the world. 

Repeat after me: Problem, reaction, solution.

Victory_Garden's picture

So, lets get this straight, isreal does 9/11 to create the war on terror that only brought moar isrealli sponsored terrorism by their puppets isis/is/al-CIA-duh or what ever the fruit of the day is, so they could steal the oil from Iraq and Syria by continually supplying the false flag events to perpetuate the whole gosh darn stinking evil rip off of those countries resources and what else, body parts?

How stupid people are to support this evil as it continues to make the evil things richer, and the world's people poorer. When will the world stand up to the evil puppets in isreal, take them out, and then go for the real puppet masters, aka sorros, rothchid, rockofellers, royals, buffet, and all the rest of the sordid evil things responsible for ALL the evil in the world?

Every day moar and moar of the horrid criminal truth is seeing the light of day. Sadly, no real law enforcers are doing anything about it. The world is headed for a evil woar like no other. All one can do is to continue to prepare for the inevitable false flag event(s) that will trigger even moar woar, the lock down of a whole country as the usa is prepared to do, or God only knows what these crazy babylonians are going to do next.

Evil is evil and it is long past the time for all good Knights of the East and the West to take up that double-edged sword of Truth and Justice and wield it to render the long over due house cleaning of the puppets like cliton, bush, and the rest all to many to list here. Rise up ye ALL and take down the beast, before it takes you ALL down with the push of a button. It is now time for the WAR ON EVIL starting with this, the most evil nation on earth:

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2015/12/israel-buys-most-oil-sm...

PS: How about it babylon? Think we can have another Christmas and New Year without the govt sponsored false flag terrorist events? Like, everybody knows you are the only ones that perpetuate these horrible terrorist events.

Rhal's picture

We have frequently seen equally damning evidence that our western govenments are against the people. 

The leaders who pull this crap are still there. 

What are we going to do about it? 

The elites are hidden beneath layers of bureaucrats, its hard to even identify them.

After the crash we'll need all new leaders, and lots of nooses.  

spanish inquisition's picture

Erdogan "Will I resign? That depends on what the definition of IS is."

MontgomeryScott's picture

The Israeli State will never tell you the definition is 'IS'.

You are a SILLY Goyim, aren't you?

squid's picture

He won't resign but hte army will resing him.

 

make sense?

 

Squid

Grandad Grumps's picture

I saw elsewhere that it is actually Israel buying the oil from ISIS and the whole Turkey thing is a red herring. It is possible that some of the oil is traveling through Turkey, but the word is that Israel is behind it and they are the ones working with the banks to keep oil prices depressed (to keep pressure on the Saud? All monarchies must go ya know ... it does not say all monarchies except the Saud)

It is funny that every single outlet, including the so called alternative media are doing everything they can to pretend that Israel does not exist in this whole manipulated shitpile in the middle east. Not saying anything about Israel is saying a lot.

There was that article saying that Nathaniel Rothschild is the ultimate buyer for the oil. Who is he more likely to work through, Turkey or Israel?

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Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) Grandad Grumps Dec 2, 2015 5:30 AM
TradingTroll's picture

100% true hence the zealous  Zionist  downvoters

Crocodile's picture

You have it backwards; all forms of democracy must go and puppets must be installed; the Agenda21 goals are going well...wait till they try to reduce the population to 500 million, the stated goal.

 

Make it six and on the basis of 2 or 3 witnesses the matter is established, now time for your nap....just kidding on the latter.

Grandad Grumps's picture

Ahhh ... I must be right, otherwise there would be no down votes .... and we have 5 (now 6) verifications. People do not junk mere statems of fact and opinions unless it is right. People junk inflamatory opinion.

Thank you for the confirmation.

Paveway IV's picture

Israel's long game is to ensure an uninterrupted supply of cheap Iraqi (Kurdish) oil through the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline and to replace Ceyhan (to the greatest degree possible) with Haifa as the main oil export terminal on the east Mediterranean coast. Securing the pipeline and free guards for it is a work in process. They'll build out Haifa when the time comes. But they already have Kurdish KRG ministers in their back pocket and are merely exploiting that leverage for now.

A few opportunists in Israel have worked their way in as major buyers of either questionably-legal Kurdish oil, or undocumented oil coming off the Turkish coast in smaller loads. It's a slimey business and there is no doubt that a goodly amount of that discounted oil is stuff ISIS stole, but the price is right and nobody can prove anything if the Israeli buyers get busted. It's all just a temporary chance for a few Israeli opportunists to make a few shekels, but that is hardly any kind of long-range strategy by Israel as a state. And the undocumented oil supply has certainly come to an end by now. 

Israel's longer-range plans for mobster-like methods to get Iraqis to sell them discounted oil and pipe it to them are a lot more concerning. Israel does not recognize anybody's right to hate their policies and refuse to do business with them. Since Iraq won't sell them oil, then they'll get the Kurds to take over the wells and sell it to them. Worse yet, they are fronted by American and U.K. oil companies who have worked out terribly bad contracts directly from the (well-bribed) Kurds. So all Kurds are getting screwed by their leaders selling discounted Iraqi/Kurdish oil directly to a country that Iraq itself refuses to deal with.

Eventually, the Iraqi army is going to pay a visit because Iraqi Kurdistan is Iraqi sovereign territory. It's not 'the Kurd's oil' to sell. Iraq developed the wells and built the pipelines, not the Kurds. The Kurds are not a sovereign nation - they can't simply claim Iraqi assets as theirs any more than a U.S. state can claim federal assets in their state. Israel and the U.S. have created a horrible situation where they are encouraging the Kurds to ACT like they already have independence and own the oil when they don't. The U.S. and Israel's next step is to agitate for Kurdish independence, but the Kurds themselves are not unified. It's just the Barzani clan that claims it represents all of Kurdistan when it does not. The result will be another bloody war between Iraq and Kurdistan, with the U.S. and Israel backing Kurdistan. They're already starting to demonize Iraq as just a puppet state of Iran. 

A few Israeli opportunists profiting off of ISIS oil stolen from Syria and Iraq is a criminal matter, but it pales in comparison to the lives lost simply so Israel can get a guaranteed supply of discounted oil from a country that does not want to sell them any. The blood part of the blood-for-oil pipeline isn't even finished with round 3 yet - there's nine more to go before Israel claims its dark prize. 

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Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) Paveway IV Dec 2, 2015 9:06 AM

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.684014

When an american jew joins the israeli army while the us is at war for israel (in large part) - is it still not permitted to suggest he is dually loyal (at best)?

I beleve there are more american jews in the idf than in the us army - which makes the neocon chickenhawk warmongering all the more revolting.

windcatcher's picture

The Truth is becoming more and more of a national security threat every day.

F em all but 6's picture

The socoipaths are in clear control of the asylum. On a separate note, Henoch prophecies have Russia invading Turkey. Seems like it may be inevitable.

frmnthng comesnthng's picture

+++1+++

for prophetic reference in it's written timeframe....

Prophecies are not certain, Henoch also prophecied an invasion of Iran by Russia.

Only predictions are unchangeable.

Truth Eater's picture

The people of Turkey must be real pleased with the self-serving madman they have as president.  Erdogan is leading them to war at a fast run.  He kind of reminds me of the illegal alien pretending to be the president of the US.

Paveway IV's picture

The people of Turkey only hear what Erdogan wants them to hear, so most of them are in the dark. Their not dumb and probably figure Erdogan is lying, but they have no idea what the truth is. There are no 'alternative news sites' in Turkey - at least none that last more than a few weeks before the unfortunate nail-gun accidents.

There's also a ton of history with Turkish nationalism and Turkish pride that prevails. Ethnic Turks who approve of Erdogan (and a majority do) would be willing to turn a blind eye to almost anything he does. It's not any kind of over-the-top admiration for Erdogan himself as a man, but a kind of fanatical patriotism that can excuse the most egregious behavior by Turkish leaders. It's not that they don't think Erdogan looks like a fool to the rest of the world, it's that Turks - for the most part - just don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks of them or their leaders. 

If you were tyring to reason with a native Turk about the shoot-down and said something like, "It doesn't matter if it was legal or not, it looks like the Turks ambushed the Russian jet." The Turk wouldn't give up on Erdogan's excuse without a fight. And if they got to the point of conceding, they would focus directly back on you, "Who the fuck are YOU to judge what Turkey does in her own interests?" That's not to disparage the Turks in any way. I'm just pointing out that they view domestic and foreign affairs through a much different lens than the West.

Expecting Erdogan to apologize (even for appearances sake) is naieve - that's not the way he's wired. Putin understands that. He's still pissed as hell, but he's not wasting time waiting for Erdogan to apologize or admit a mistake. That's something Obama would do. Putin is busy ensuring it does not happen again - he really doesn't care if Erdogan is sorry or not.

Reaper's picture

Turkey was a signer of Geneva Convention 4 of 1949, which forbids, "willful killing, torture or inhumane treatment, ... willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health ... taking of hostages, extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."

Turks who act as clandestine agents of ISIS are war criminal accomplices of ISIS in ISIS's wanton acts. Turkey or international courts can try them for their crimes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

uhland62's picture

Don't be a pedant. It's all about keeping Turkey as one. All this noise is to cover up what they do to prevent the Kurds becoming independent. 

Lumberjack's picture

Courts? are you freaking serious? Please give me one example in the last 40 years where shit like this has been dealt with fairly and with all the real non manufactured evidence. 

 

 

"A leak is a drip under pressure"

Reaper's picture

Lumberjack, Most countries' courts are corrupt, but they could be charged anywhere in the world. Note how Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney don't world travel. http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/19/should_bush_and_cheney_be_tried

In re US courts: ttp://faqusajudicialcorruption.blogspot.com/

Would Turks receive the help Israel demands? http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.609436

nmewn's picture

Ya know, the cretins could just be killed/assassinated. It really cuts down on all the legal paperwork ;-) 

DaveyJones's picture

doesn't the trial involve throwing you off a boat?

at least us pirates give you a plank

nmewn's picture

Not always ;-)

  • ARTICLE VI - No boy or woman to be allowed amongst them. If any man shall be found seducing any of the latter sex and carrying her to sea in disguise he shall suffer death.
DaveyJones's picture

O: "Russia should be more focused on ISIS"

good point Mr. President, the folks trafficking ISIS oil have little to do with their viability

remember 911 Mr. president, those three numbers you (and every other politician) assert into every third sentence, didn't we make all sorts of laws to go after people who help fund or assist terrorists in any indirect way?

another sign of dying and corrupt empires are their inability to make one logical policy statment.

Flying Wombat's picture

U.S. Involvement in Turkey’s Shoot Down of the Russian Jet

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=552917

Flying Wombat's picture
Is Turkey Waging War on Russia in Crimea, the Caucasus, and Central Asia? - The Saker
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=552924
LoveTruth's picture

It is all true! Here is the proof Erdogan the number one Turkish Terrorist buying robbed Syrian OIL from his foot soldiers ISIS. As usual Turks trying to sit, not on one or two chairs, but as many as they can get away with.

Bring Erdogan and Turkey to court. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yK_XgtQ4Vk

chunga's picture

No. USSA and the TV people will ignore this and pretend they've never heard of it. Instead we'll be told Assad is a butcher and all the good vassals will join in and bomb Syria then take all the oil.

uhland62's picture

Sounds like a broken record.  

danl62's picture

Barack Hussein did not know anything about this. In fact, he just read it in the newspaper.