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Leaked Memo Reveals EU Plan To Suspend Schengen For Two Years
Earlier today we reported that in a dramatic and, what to many may seem unfair variation of "carrot and stick" negotiations conducted by European bureaucrats, the EU threatened Greece with indefinite suspension from the Schengen passport-free travel zone unless it overhauls its response to the migration crisis by mid-December, as frustration mounted over Athens’ reluctance to accept outside support.
The slap on the face of the Greeks was particularly painful because this warnings of an temporary expulsion from the EU happens just days after Turkey not only got a €3 billion check from Europe because it has been far more "amenable" in negotiating the handling of the hundreds of thousands of refugees that exit its borders in direction Europe, but also was promised a fast-track status in negotiations to be considered for EU accession and visa free travel. Ironically, it is also Turkey which is the source of virtually all Greek refugee headaches as the following map shows.
We summarized the situation earlier as follows:
"not only do the Greeks suffer under the weight of 700,000 refugees crossing into its borders from Turkey and headed for a "welcoming Germany" which is no longer welcoming, now they have to suffer the indignity of being ostracized by their own European "equals" who are being remarkably generous with non-EU member Turkey, which may very well be funding ISIS by paying for Islamic State oil and thus perpetuating the refugee crisis, while threatening to relegate Greece into the 4th world, and with visa requirements to get into Europe to boot!"
However, it appears there is much more to this story than merely a case of vindication against the Greeks.
As Steve Peers from EU Law Analysis writes, according to a leaked Council memo, Europe's intention is to put the framework in place for a comprehensive suspension of Schengen for all countries, for a period as long as two years, not just Greece in the process effectively undoing the customs union aspect of the European Union, which also happens to be its backbone.
The following is Council document 14300/15, dated 1 December 2015. It's entitled 'Integrity of the Schengen area', and addressed to Coreper (the body consisting of Member States' representatives to the EU) and the Council - presumably the Justice and Home Affairs ministers meeting Thursday 3 and Friday 4 December.
The first three parts aren't exceptional, but part 4 calls for the start of a process to officially allow the reimposition of internal border controls in the Schengen area for up to two years. Legally, this has to be triggered by 'serious deficiencies' in the border control of a particular Member State.
This has been reported as a plan to suspend Schengen as regards Greece. But the wording of the document suggests a much broader intention - applying to the whole of Schengen. This intention is clear from the reference to continuing in force the border controls that many Member States have imposed this autumn, which can only be imposed for a maximum period of six months. The purpose of using the 'serious deficiencies' clause, instead of the normal clause on suspending Schengen, is clearly to allow a much longer suspension period. It may be that not every internal border would be subject to checks, but the intention seems to be to issue a blank cheque to this effect.
Document follows:
INTRODUCTION
The migratory and refugee crisis has put the application of the Schengen acquis and of the asylum acquis under severe pressure during the last years, with an unprecedented influx of migrants over the last months. In this context, several Member States have temporarily reintroduced border control at their internal borders, with reference to a serious threat to public policy or internal security as provided for by the Schengen Borders Code. Temporary controls at internal borders have also been carried out by a Member State for reasons related to terrorism, following the attacks in Paris on 13 November 2015. In addition, some Member States have taken specific measures to reinforce the control at their external borders.
In its Conclusions of 9 November 2015 on measures to handle the refugee and migration crisis, the Council has identified a number of measures to implement fully the orientations already agreed by the European Council [1]. These measures address a wide range of issues, including in particular reception capacities, hotspots, relocation, return, readmission, resettlement, lack of cooperation of migrants, contingency planning, the functioning of the Schengen area, external and internal borders, smuggling in human beings, visa policy, a common information strategy and the use of the Integrated Political Crisis Response (IPCR).
In the Conclusions adopted on 20 November 2015 on Counter-Terrorism after the Paris terrorist attacks by the Council and Member States meeting within the Council it was agreed to implement reinforced measures for the purpose of fighting terrorism, including strengthening controls at external borders[2].
Under point 9 of its Conclusions of 9 November 2015, the Council decided "to conduct at the December Justice and Home Affairs Council, on the basis of the 8th bi-annual reporting by the Commission, a thorough debate on the functioning of the Schengen area (1 May 2015 - 31 October 2015) and on the lessons learned from temporary reintroductions of controls at internal borders".
In Coreper on 26 November 2015 the Commission indicated, however, that the said 8th bi-annual report would not be ready for the meeting of the JHA Council in December 2015, but would be integrated in the future border package. The Presidency concluded that Ministers would be invited to hold a debate on the functioning of the Schengen area on the basis of a Presidency paper.
With a view to preparing this debate, the Presidency issued a questionnaire on lessons learned from temporary introductions of controls at internal borders [3]. The Presidency has prepared the present paper in the light of replies from Member States, having in mind also major issues that have been raised during recent months regarding the functioning of the Schengen area, with a focus on border controls.
ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION
The Presidency invites the Council to hold a debate on the functioning of the Schengen area and to address in particular the following issues related to internal and external border controls.
1. Consultations between Member States – Based on the information available to the Presidency, it appears that, in situations where some Member States have applied recently Article 25 of the Schengen Borders Code to reinstate temporarily controls at internal borders, there has not been sufficient prior consultation with other Member States. The same has been noticed for technical reinforcement of borders between border crossing points, for changes in national policies leading to filter migrants at border crossing points and for organizing the transit of migrants from one border to next. This has severely hindered the possibility for neighbouring countries to prepare themselves for changes in migratory routes and for all Schengen countries to handle migratory flows in a coherent manner.
In addition, procedures approved by Coreper in March 2015 for improved information sharing on temporary reintroduction of border controls at internal borders have not been fully respected in all cases.
The Presidency proposes that:
- even in emergency situations falling under Article 25 of the Schengen Borders Code and requiring immediate action, a Member State deciding to temporarily reintroduce internal border controls should make all efforts to inform neighbouring Member States sufficiently in advance to allow neighbouring Member States to adjust to the new situation and, where possible, to cooperate to reduce the negative impact of the reintroduction of internal border controls;
- Member States reconfirm their commitment to fully apply the procedures for improved information sharing on temporary reintroduction of border controls at internal borders agreed in Coreper in March 2015. [4]
2. Securing external borders – A number of irregular migrants entering the EU, or exiting an EU country to re-enter later in the EU, pass through the so-called "green land borders" (the parts of the land borders between border crossing points). According to Frontex, more than 1,2 million illegal border crossings have been detected at the EU external borders for January - October 2015, an increase of 431% compared with the corresponding period in 2014. In addition, a number of illegal crossings have not been registered. The exact figure is unknown.
Also in the context of the fight against terrorism, the Council concluded on 20 November 2015 that control at the external borders which are most exposed should be strengthened "in particular by deploying, when the situation so requires, rapid border intervention teams (RABITs) and police officers in order to ensure systematic screening and security checks".
In view of the critical situation that the EU is currently confronted with, the Presidency proposes that:
- considerably more efforts should be made to prevent illegal border crossings (entry and exit) through the external "green land borders" and to ensure that external borders are crossed only at the border crossing points referred to in Article 4, subject to the exceptions in Article 4(2), of the Schengen Borders Code;
- RABITs are deployed as necessary for that purpose. This is at present particularly relevant for external land borders in relation to the Western Balkan countries route;
- A Frontex operation at the northern borders of Greece be deployed without delay to address severe difficulties encountered with neighbouring countries.
3. Increasing checks regarding illegal migration – Irregular migrants who have entered the Schengen area and have not been registered at their arrival should not be able to stay in that area undetected for long periods of time.
The Presidency proposes that:
- the possibilities for checking persons inside the Schengen area, including by the use of relevant databases, are fully exploited to ensure that irregular migrants are detected and registered and their cases processed.
4. Addressing serious deficiencies in external border controls – Several Member States have recently reintroduced temporarily internal border control pursuant to Articles 23-25 of the Schengen Borders Code. Under these provisions, a Member State may not implement such controls for more than a total period of six months. A prolongation of this situation would require the adoption by the Council, upon a proposal from the Commission, of a recommendation in accordance with Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code. Such recommendation may be adopted in exceptional circumstances to address a situation where a Schengen evaluation has identified persistent serious deficiencies relating to external border control and the measures referred to in Article 19a of the Schengen Borders Code are not effective. Where in such cases the overall functioning of the area without internal border control is put at risk, and insofar as the exceptional circumstances constitute a serious threat to public policy or internal security within the area without internal border control or within parts thereof, the period for the reintroduction of internal border control may be extended up to a total maximum of two years.
On this basis, the Presidency:
- proposes that the Council invites the Commission to consider presenting a proposal as appropriate pursuant to Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code for a Council recommendation that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders;
- considers that, at the same time, all possible measures should be taken aimed at strengthening the normal functioning of the Schengen area, in particular by reinforcing the control of external borders.
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Suspect Schengen, now that is a real....
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Not like the poor Euros could travel anyways now that their taxes go through the roof to pay for the muzzie invasion...
No problem.
Puerto Rico will gladly spread it's legs for rich white folks.
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the memo is titled"its already too late."
"Papers!"
p.s. there is no "please."
Do ya’ think the fools left the barn door open a bit too ling?
Keep it simple Europe: You already ban Mein Kampf and Nazi stuff, so ban the Koran, the Hadiths, mosques, and muslims on the same grounds and let uninfected humans flourish and travel untrammelled.
keep the euro and the u.s. led foreign war policy but ban the customs union.
yes that is about as far up one's ass as a head can get, i believe. technically.
This is an attack against Golden Dawn, nothing more. The Jews hate nationalism in Europe, so they target nationalists that would oppose their rule.
TL;DR: Same shit, different assholes.
"The Jews hate nationalism in Europe..."
I don't know if I would call it hate... but "the Jews" is imo a bit of a difficult group to describe properly. Israel, on the other side, it's much easier an entity to describe, it's a country
which, interestingly, has a huge row with the EU. because the EU has passed product labeling regulations that make a difference between "Made in Israel" and "Made in Palestina"
if we had a kind of balanced commentary section, we'd see some Israeli partisan writing here that "the EU is anti-semitic", I guess
Germany has done to Greece, financially, what it failed to do militarily, twice.
This is coming to the rest of Europe.
While the overlord will be different, the same thing is coming to America.
Regards,
Cooter
America rocks, Gloomy Gus. There is no country like her in the world. She's the new Jerusalem. We are a country loved by God. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
i saw this on rt and wondered if it was a telltale straw in the wind:
“One thing is clear. The role that Turkey is playing in this area is in many ways destructive and it’s affecting the European security, it’s affecting its neighbors. Ultimately it’s affecting its own society,” Uzi Arad, former head of research at Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency told RT.
oh wait, i missed that "former" the first time.
when in office, officials lie. in retirement, some, sometimes, try to make amends.
Syrian Holocasut and Mass Exodus was planned ---> CAPSTONE of the Arab Spring!
http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/12/the-syrian-holocaust-a-preplanned...
...happens just days after Turkey not only got a €3 billion check from Europe because it has been far more "amenable" in negotiating the handling of the hundreds of thousands of refugees that exit its borders in direction Europe.
Or, to be quite frank, that three billion euro check sure seems close to some figures that I've read about in the news regarding Turkey. Such as, an expected shortfall of their current account (earlier April 2015 write up) and the purported two year value of illegal KRG oil sales.
Not really. Merkel is simply dimwitted. Schauble had a better solution but Merkel cannot abide anyone leaving the party and knows if Greece is the first to leave early so will Italy and Portugal.
Turkey is run by a psychopath and proves the EU is a joke. If they had really wanted to keep stability in Europe they would not have screwed up Ukraine and have brought Erdogan to heel long before he decided he was Pasha rebuilding the Ottoman Empire. Merkel fell into his trap when he pushed human wave attacks onto the Hungarian Border on the 25th Anniversary of Hungary letting East Germans flee to Austria. The Austrian PM called Merkel and they both agreed - without bothering to inform anyone else - just as in 1914 Vienna and Berlin agreed to start a world war without telling others first.
Merkel destroyed the EU Borders and let the human wave invasion flood Germany and France and destabilise Austria and Hungary. Then she went to plead with the Pasha and pay him €3,000,000,000 a year to do something in return for visa-free access for his Turkish criminal gangs to EU centres. Hell, Berlin crime is controlled by 10 Arab families. Merkel is the dimmest Chancellor Germany has had since the 1900s.
She is a total incompetent with no grasp of history with a defence minister who is a total nonentity and Germany is heading for another collapse. How appropriate that it is now permitted to buy Mein Kampf in Germany where the Austrian expresses his fear of the Austrians being overrun by fast-breding Magyars to the east who will swamp the German nation.
Merkel is the most disastrous German Chancellor since the one who committed suicide on 9 May 1945
'some Israeli partisan writing here that "the EU is anti-semitic"'
They have gone directly to 'Fuck the EU' as clearly stated by Nudelstain.
I think he means to say Millennialist Jewish Movements like Socialism and Communism and Frankfurt School Marxism loathe national identity and seek to dismantle it.
Who bans Mein Kampf ? Noone in Europe does.
Germany and France do.
How convenient......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/road-to-ww3-time-to...
For the heavily propagandized and "Hopelessly" deluded #Crowd so common on our university campi today...the EU appears out of the mist of your minds as a ghost, an apparition, a "country".
So with the suspension of Schengen this would be like you driving across this country and every time you saw a sign saying "Now Entering____" (pick a state) you had to pull into the weigh station and show the state of Alabama officials lounging around inside your papers in order for you to enter Alabama or...Mizzou.
You are welcome ;-)
#OccupyBrussels!...lol.
Did the Swedes ever find the 14000 people they were looking to send back?
Just curious.
Another step in the process of collapse.
They did, but the 14000 people said "we are not the 14000 people you are looking for", and they were allowed to leave again.
I believe this is the same disturbance in the force that is currently affecting junk bonds.
The European utopia brought down by The Sons of Cheech and Chong.
All it takes is a call to the NSA. they know where those 14,000 are.
BUT! They didn't stop the San Bernandino massacre... LOL
The NSA is only set up to harass pot smoking, tax paying, working Americans....
Silly NSA, the terrorists plans are all written out in the Koran and the Hadiths, fully analog. Quit with your digital evesedroppijg and high power code breaking and use your fucking senses and brains.
The Greater Israel Project
The Greater Israel Project lies at the very heart of the AAA’s geopolitical triangulation strategy throughout the Middle East. The United States, the United Kingdom and the Modern State of Israel have collaborated quite closely for well over a century to implement this final phase of destruction of several Mideast nations. Because their once clandestine agenda has now become transparent to the many concerned countries, these 3 nations have become known as the true Axis of Evil in the world today.
“Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
Just as the MSI was born out of terrorism, its methodical expansion through the outright theft of Palestinian land has occurred by way of incessant false flag terror operations. These and many other highly deceptive and destructive tactics have been used against those who rightfully inhabit Palestine, just as they are now being utilized in Syria. The very essence of their ‘Relocation Plan’ is the employment of every form of terror. Just like the Armenian Holocaust was implemented by the same Zionist cabal to scare them away from their communities, which it did, the ISIS and Al Nusra terrorist groups have been set up and enabled to do the very same.
The purposeful and slow-motion Zionist genocide of the Palestinian people has likewise furthered the cabal’s Greater Israel agenda. Systematically getting rid of those indigenous peoples throughout much of the Middle East is a central component of that agenda. In this particular regard the AAA globalists seeks not only to remove the Palestinians from the MSI, but the Syrians from their lands as well. Witness what is perhaps the largest mass migration in modern history of Syrian people to Europe. Irrespective of the fact that the forefathers of Syrians and Palestinians alike have lived in the Mideast for centuries and in Israel over millennia, the Zionist cabal is intent on their removal.
ISIS, ISIL and the ISLAMIC STATE
It is now common knowledge among the world community of nations that the United States, United Kingdom and Israel surreptitiously created ISIS and Al Nusra just as they created Al Qaeda. The blueprint for the formation of these types of synthetic terror organizations came from the CIA’s establishment of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. By the use of proxy armies of paid mercenaries, which were comprised of ‘Islamist’ guerrilla fighters, the USA was able to defeat the Russian military in Afghanistan. That development, in turn, permitted the Taliban to come into power which merely created another tyranny for the Afghans to deal with.
Mujahideen (Arabic: ??????????) is the plural form of mujahid (Arabic: ??????), the term for one engaged in Jihad.[3]
What is crucial to understand is that these mercenary jihadis have nothing to do with the religion of Islam. Whether they were even raised as Muslims is in serious question since many of them were exposed to a false sect of Sunni Islam known as Wahhabism. This form of perverted Islamic fundamentalism was made the official state religion by the crypto-Jewish monarchy of Saudi Arabia with the assistance of their Anglo-American overlords. Likewise, the Dönmeh of Turkey introduced their own kind of Islam which had nothing to do with the Prophet Muhammad or the Koran, and a LOT to do with the pseudo-Kabbalistic practices of the similarly warped Sabbatean sect. ...
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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=25505
Hmm.. send back where?
It was Germany and Sweden welcoming all refugees to Europe. Why should they hand anyone over? Take some responsibility, you welcome them, YOU keep them.
"Verdammte Idioten"
"Jävla Idioter"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No! However 4 were found hanging for dear life from Merkel's pubic hair, BandGap.
What a crazy concept having sovereign nations controlling their borders.
The EU Marxist-Leninists forgot to mention taking away free voting first!
these are not sovereign nations. they are members of the european union.
you can't be a member of the european union without being a sovereign nation
some of the commenters here just don't know what a sovereign nation is. or a sovereign, in the first place
or think that a treaty or alliance or any other kind of sovereign obligation (including bonds) is a kind of "loss of sovereignty"
and this kind of political vocabulary ignorance extends to terms like empire or vassal. betrays a mind that believes in pure force and nothing else, the mentality of slaves
brutalized and endlessly propagandized slaves. take off your shackles, start with those on your mind
Now, that is quite blatant European Union propaganda if I have ever seen it.
Propaganda is the "unelected officials" misdirection of the Euro skeptics who ignore the rubber stamps provided by the Heads of State in the Council. One could make an argument that a member State's representative to the Commission is unelected, but there is actually nothing that prevents a member state from holding a general election to determine the State's nomination to the Commission. The problem with the EU infrastructure is that it's effectively private club of fascists with a few token outsiders who seek to expand their own power and influence primarily at the expense of the people and to a lesser extent at the extent of the member States. The frankenfreak creation "works" on paper (if one is amoral), but since the mechanics are so far above the ability of the average person to comprehend, high functioning psychopaths and their fellow travelers have relatively free reign to implement their plans. The EU is just an extension of the popular madness of Federalism that has supplanted the reason of Confederacy.
+1, but I hardly see how the Heads of Government can be seen as "token outsiders"
and the very Council is the most confederational item in the package, together with the open exit door
But the Council is a confederation of Statists, by Statists, and for Statists, that doesn't act to prevent the sworn Statists of the Commission from advancing the cause of Statism in a truly evil feedback loop. It's a Fabian Society Wet Dream. While commissioners shouldn't swear allegiance to National State interests, placing The Interests of the Political Union above the interests of The People from whom both the authority of member States as well as the Union itself eminates... is a direct facilitaion of the usurpation of The People's individual and collective rights. Europans are too polite. Criticism (that the simpletons of the electorate can actually grasp) should not be directed at the impersonal machine, but rather the very specific persons within each country that operate that machine.
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It takes something either as inconsequential to the elite and simultaneously enraging to the people as the regulation of olive oil bottles, or something as destructive to national identiy and sovereign authority (which will result in blood in the streets) as mass immigration quotas to motivate the Statists to use the power of confederation to force repsect of national sovereignty, never mind the People's sovereignty. The other 364 days a year... the march towards ein reich, ein volk, viele Führer continues unimpeded.
UR, finally, something we truly disagree
I fail to see how you can have anything even remotely resembling a Confederation... without Statists. If a statist is a non-anarchist, that is
yes, the Commission is the only bunch of monkeys that swears to serve the EU. meanwhile, they get their marching orders from the Heads of Government. they are a glorified "secretariat"
again, the Commission is sandwiched between the Council and the elected EU Parliament, and answers to both, i.e. the governments and the representatives of the Peoples
To paraphrase Clinton, it all depends on what your definition of "Statist" is... It is certainly difficult to avoid Statism this day and Age (Cincinnatus, Jefferson and their brethren are as confined to history books as is the divine right of kings). Even the little rock pile I now call home has crept in the direction of the Siren call of the Statists. Career politicians greatly facilitate Statism, but IMO the guilt for the growth of Statism actually lies with the people. Sovereignty is conferred by the People upon the State. And the further the State is from the people (whether measured in distance, votes or time) the weaker the State's inherent authority. My great, great... grandfather had absolutely no authority to confer my delegation of sovereignty. I am one of those black sheep Radicals (in the post enlightenment sense) that the patrician Establishment continually warns the plebs about.
As to the Commission, I believe the Devil is in the details. Without the acquiescence of the Council and the Parliament, the details inscribed by technocrats would not carry the weight of law. Moreover, the patricians would likely subscribe to whatever the "experts" recommend. Obama isn't a puppet because both Soros and Buffett have their hands up his ass and program his teleprompter... Obama is puppet because he will blindly rubber stamp and execute whatever is recommended by the favorites among his legion of thousands of professional advisors. Meanwhile Soros, Buffett, and countless others have their own legions of lobbyists who horse trade commitments and ideologically commiserate with Obama's legion of advisors. Neither Obama nor the 535 elected representatives in the United States Congress could have written the two thousand pages of Obamacare law and the tens of thousands of pages of pursuant regulations... even if they wanted to.
Yes, there is a way to win this game at the ballot box, but that battle has to be fought every X years, and during the intervening years the natural function of THE SYSTEM must also be fought, and only after those two victories, and before the next election, is there even the opportunity for positive evolution. Whereas, by re-engineering the internal workings of THE SYSTEM, the outcome of any given election is less important and THE SYSTEM will naturally function for the benefit and empowerment of the People instead of the patricians.
I was thinking of the Euro skeptics as the "token outsiders" (until they form a substantial minority and actually vote in accordance with their rhetoric, or comprise a respectable share of the technocracy).
it's an argument, actually a bundle of them. where are yours? calling my arguments propaganda, fine. debunk, then. It's Fight Club, isn't it?
for a debunking analogy, go read Barbuto's "its not the law"
same shit different geography
I would love to learn more about the 'who' behind the clearly organized effort to drive muslims from libya to afuckinghanistan not generally to europe - but along a route certain to gernany and sweden mostly.
soros - and who else?
I dont believe for a second that it is to help europe or its people and the 'eurooe needs labor' argument sounds an awful lot all told like jewish and anglo bankers trying to extract more wealth from a failing monetary system.
I think its the bizarre plan noted here:
http://celticanglopress.tumblr.com/post/47433261983/the-coudenhove-kaler...
http://balder.org/judea/Richard-Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practical-Idealism-Vi...
and I think it sounds less and less crazy the more and more you think about this entire eu open borders scheme. And consider quotes from leading open borders advocates - frankly disproportionately jewish in norway, sweden, britain, ireland, france and elsewhere. To the extent that one must speculate that organized jewish and banking interests are engineering the immivasion.
Sorry - but the evidence is quite significant. A fact, interpret as you might.
Open to hearing alternative theories.
They are herding and moving around all us for a reason. Is this the anwer to "Global Warming"? Funny how those chats of world leaders just went down in Paris....I mean WTF is anyone in their right mind going to talk about that for in times like these?
Toss our weather pattern in....tell me if they are not getting ready for folks to start thinking aboutmoving outta california by engineering a water shortage?
We creating "Green Spaces" here or what? We getting ready to get hit by a big ass meteor? Was an NWO created and we are shuffling around pawns?
Yeah yeah, I may be going full retardUD here, but.....You asked for other theories and my name is "WTFMOFO" after all.
Bringing Greece into it is just the preliminaries for the 'Vetting process' in the US. Anyone with their entry point ticket stamped Lesbos is vetted. Part of Hillary's "Likeability among rodents" improvement campaign". /s
>> while threatening to relegate Greece into the 4th world, and with visa requirements to get into Europe to boot!"
What nonsense. Even if Greece leaves Schengen, Greek citizens who hold passports are not required to obtain visas to travel throughout the EU. Their travel would be on the same basis as, for example, British people who also hold EU passports but do not reside in a Schengen country.
Greece's easy solution is to grant freely Greek citizenship and passport to (almost) everyone physically in Greece. Making them free to travel to Germany (by air, bus or train) without hindrance and the same as all other Greek citizens,
That is a sure way for Greece to lose visa free travel.
The current government might do it and I suspect Germany might as well.
I have written it before but if I am running the government in any Eastern European country, I would be sealing the border and not letting anyone in regardless of what nation's passport they hold unless they are native European.
Sorry and touch shit to anyone with huge lips or camel forehead - you are not coming in.
Not our problem. Stay wherever they allowed you or your parents to move to and give you a passport.
"That is a sure way for Greece to lose visa free travel". How so? Greek citizens have a Greek passport
and since they are continental europeans, even when they do not have a passport they have a Greek ID card for sure, and that one allows them to travel freely across the whole EU, not only the Schengen Treaty Area
Because everything will be fixed in 2 years...
I want you to smell my finger. Smells like lox.
Great work as always WB
the woman whose biography puts the lie to the myth of opposing parties in the u.s. and explains in simple terms who runs the show really.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland
chubby hubby: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan
Notice to all passengers. In light of certain navigational hazards which have been encountered recent adjustments to certain elements of the ship are now necessary The deck chairs from the Promenade deck shall be transferred to the Lido deck. The chairs from the Atlantis deck have been removed and placed onto the Panorama deck. We feel that the placement of the chairs will enhance the enjoyment of the passengers for the remainder of our voyage. The Captain and crew thank you for your patience with these changes and hope that you continue to enjoy our passage across the Atlantic.
Captain, Titanic
At this point, Captain Stubing is smoking crack on the Lido deck with Ted, and Julie is directing activities with Gopher while Doc watches.
Leaked memo? The made sure it was leaked. They were sending a message and playing their politics
Machine gun nests work really well.
The EU would have been better off spending the 3.5 billion putting the military on the border between Greece and Turkey, and if Greece refused than the borders on the other side should be sealed.
Why is Greece having such a problem protecting its borders while Bulgaria does not?
Bulgaria actually has a longer border with Turkey but is not being overrun.
What military? France has some commandos stationed in Mali, German recruits are fucking off making hash runs to Holland on the weekends, and the Brits have no interest in getting mixed up on the continent. Poland has a faily good military, which is probably why Poland isn't having many refugee issues. The rest of the EU military doesn't add up to a decent brigade on a good day.
Then draft some really quick. Meanwhile pay Poland to save their asses and ride to the rescue. Call it siege of Vienna II.
"Poland has a faily good military, which is probably why Poland isn't having many refugee issues". yeah, sure /S
Um you say the 'EU' shut put up some funny troops at the border - there is no 'EU', that's only a good-weather-Germany-pays-union. Now that the money is gone, and the crap flies around, the whole misfugure is falling apart. Finally. Good riddance!
Ever been to Vulgaria BC?
Bumblegaria has shot itself in the foot. John McStain ( yes a top commander of Nusrah Front ) managed to talk them out of accepting a cosy beneficial pipeline transit which would have served them very well to clean up the smell of piss & shit that hangs over them like the smog of China.
TOTAL Basket Cases allowing the NeoCons to pull the rug from under their feet. What did they receive for this sacrifice? I suppose like Ukraine a few treasonous bastards got to lick Johnny's Balls.
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=25505
If one was ignorant enough to still believe the fairy tale that we live in a constitutional republic...
Ponder on the fact that you are threatened at the point of a gun to relinquish 40% of your earnings so .gov can bring in and support for 9 yrs people whose sole purpose and goal in life is to kill you.
Really, its bad enough that they wish to murder us, its outrageous that citizens have to pay them to do so.
Commie EU ass clowns in action!
And just when the muzzlies were starting to develop a taste for those young nubile blonde Swedish girls and virginal buxom German fraulines!
Those fraulines in bavaria are solid. They can kick muzztard ass.
Must be those child bearing hips and thunder thighs?
Those arms that can curl 5 x 5 heavy liter beer glasses in each hand for 16 days straight. These are not run of the mill human females. They're flesh covered poly alloy combat chassis, however soft the flesh may appear.
U forgot the extra 5 large steins they can fit into their deep sweaty titty crevice!
Tens of millions of volkfest patrons have fantasized of mototboating in said crevice, but you'd have to do some serious convincing. Those are Volksterminator tits.
Abit off topic but important:
Russian military reveals details of ISIS-Turkey oil smugglingthesaker.is/russian-military-reveals-details-of-isis-turkey-oil-smuggling/
The British have joined in. They have sent in a massive airborne force to take on ISIS - 2 Tornados dropping 6 Paveways. The British MOD said the mission will take more than a year. Too fucking true and too fucking pathetic - 2 bombers with 6 bombs!
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For National Security reasons the targetting videos of the British aircraft cannot be released. /sarc
Start by pretending Hitler won WW2.
Watch how things begin to transpire for the "little people" across all of Europe.
Greece might as well be Syria.
Proverbial ... Closing the barn door after the horses have bolted ( or revolted ).
Fascinating how the 'wheels of bureaucracy' can move when it deems fit.
Divert the overflow of Muzzies to their cousins in Israel! It will be like a nice big family reunion for them!
as i've said before, all the israelis would have to do is learn another language and wear a different hat. they'd blend right in.
The leaked memo happened when an EU fatcat was caught off-guard being blown by a 12 year old 'fugee.
Merkel is NUTS
People knifed by radicalied muslims in IKEA
SLAM THE DOORS SHUT NO MORE IMMIGRATION ANYWHERE
including CHinese workers so it exports its unemployment
Two issues count
Overpopulation
And climate change
Under those circs only option is to shut the doors.
overpopulation is almost over and what has blocking immigration to do with climate change?
How convenient......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/road-to-ww3-time-to...
I see the hyperbolic commentary has started. Frankly, it's always a bit... puzzling, to me, how the whole Schengen treaty is seen outside of Europe
"As Steve Peers from EU Law Analysis writes, according to a leaked Council memo, Europe's intention is to put the framework in place for a comprehensive suspension of Schengen for all countries, for a period as long as two years, not just Greece in the process effectively undoing the customs union aspect of the European Union, which also happens to be its backbone."
how so? the customs union aspect of the EU is that of the majority of the treaties, the "EU proper" of 28 sovereign members
the Schengen "no-visa and no-border-controls" aspect was always a separate treaty with a separate membership because, among other reasons, the UK never wanted to join such a scheme
and so, for example for the UK nothing changes. Am I supposed to believe that now the UK (or any other member) will start a nice little trade war?
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folks, the ideals behind the EU are still there: the Four Freedoms of the EU:
- Freedom of movement of capital across the member countries
- Freedom of movement of services across the member countries
- Freedom of movement of goods across the member countries
- Freedom of movement of people... watch it, not any people. It's citizens of member countries and holders of a proper visa.
Meanwhile, yes, there are quite a lot of people that are trying to flee war-torn places that have become too shitty to live. (Thanks, warmongers, I suppose/s)
Good morning Ghordius.
As you will be well aware, after last nights vote on bombing runs against a sovereign state, with a democratically elected leader, the UK is now a serious threat against mankind, a rouge state.
It matters not where you live, who you pretend to vote for, or the opinion you have, we have been usurped.
Your four freedoms mean nothing my friend, not a jot.
Unless we take back that which is rightfully ours, nothing will change.
and I wish you a good morning too. too bad it carries "a smell of napalm"
yesterday a sovereign nations' elected parliament voted on waging war in the territory of another country, yes
your country, the UK, has done that to practically every and each sovereign country on the whole planet, with the exception of three or four. nothing new at all
(edit: it's the astounding number of 22 countries out of 200 that have never been invaded by Britain: http://mentalfloss.com/article/13019/there-are-only-22-countries-world-b...’t-invaded )
and it has nothing to do with your right to have financial business with me, in a different EU country, or to provide services across the EU, or to send goods to me or to cross the Channel in order to visit me, or even to work for me here, as a British citizen
you see the difference? "the EU" is still about "all that"... and not much else. all the rest is simply propaganda
Thanks for the civility my friend,
Even if you and I should decide to set forth on commerce, one of the 'Crats' would simply invent a rule that stops us doing so, with a hefty fine and touch more tax.
Till we stop them like.
:-)
civility is, in my mind, a kind of obligation, particularly for "my ilk". this does not mean I mind harsh language, particularly in ZH, you bloody Limey bastard, you ;-)
I actually do commerce across many EU countries. and just recently I helped a friend, another Limey bastard, to buy a house in Spain, where he wants to retire
this thing you are describing, the "...one of the 'Crats' would simply invent a rule that stops us doing so, with a hefty fine and touch more tax"... well, that's on the other side of the barricades
like what UKIP wants in regard to Poles
no, they are not supposed to be free to work and live in the UK (if they find a job and a shelter), they are supposed to have a British "Crat" that judges if they can or not
it's "magnificent", but it's not "the EU"
problem is you Limeys have been subjected to an endless propagandistic barrage about what "the EU" is
it's still about the Four Freedoms
yes, it contains Poles just entering your country, finding a job and a home, if they can, as well as Brits retiring in the eurozone or the City of London trading most of the EUR currency
You could try a survey of Brits asking how many have considered moving to Poland. A modern EU country, much cheaper than most of the rest of Europe, many could afford an enormously better standard of living.
Part of the problem for Brits is the islander mentality. The Japs have it also. They tend not to travel in the same way as people living on a continent. Quite literally the attitude is insular, and I don't believe for a second that the word applies to both geography and attitudes accidentally.
Continentals are far more comfortable with the idea of going down the road and being in a different country or state. Mixing with people from another country near the border is quite normal. For islanders that doesn't happen, going to another country requires boats and planes, planning etc. It's a major hassle and the border is absolute. So the majority of brits simply don't even consider the EU. Sure a few do; a few retirees go live in Spain for the weather and a few Brits work in various places on the continent, but the attitude is so ingrained and prevalent that the continent is for most just never considered and will be instantly rejected out of hand when suggested.
Pretty much OT ... I've been on a British-based international singles site for a while, don't know about the women, but about half the the men are scattered all over the world, and the other half are British and they are the most unsociable people in the planet! "Island mentality" hmmm, interesting, that may explain some of it ... but the site is great for people who travel extensively so Island Mentality doesn't explain the rest of the blokes. Friendly, outgoing people make the world a more fun place for everyone ... the Brits are welcome to stay on their island. ;-)
+1. excellent points on insular mentality. the only thing I can add to it is that there is something between three-quarters of a million and a million of British pensioners on the continent/eurozone
The UK House of Commons is the only reason WWIII hasn't happened yet. I'll give this a spot of time.
how about we suspend the EU Burocracy temporarily..say 100 years?
that's easy. the harder part would be to suspend national burocracies. then every and each segment of regulationary power that the sovereign members lent to "the EU"...
...used to be regulated by national ministries and burocracies
lol bitchez bring it on!
Let's even start a war while we're at it! (yes, Greece is poor but mainly because we sustain a huge fucking army to defend against fucking Turkey ;ppp)
Back in the days it was illogical to think that a NATO member sustain such an army to defend against another NATO member... but let's remember how much NATO helped in Cyprus!
NATO and the EU are non existant when it comes to help! i believe this refugee crisis just unraveled it!
Once reinstated, there is no true mechanism for them to be rescinded.
Goodbye, EU as we know it.
You will only be left with the ECB printing money. All you need, really.
Your fucking HOMELAND security is really doing a great job! After stealing your LIBERTY, it still can't stop these things from happening and the shooters were finished and on their way when they were stopped.
So what will DC do? Go cashless and steal more FREEDOM from you all and there will be more extermist inside jobs from people pushed to the wall by their hypocratic government.
When these so called terrorists finally figure out where their enemy is in Langley and DC and the Pentegon as well as Wall Street, then maybe they will get some sympathy.
Hang traitors. That's the answer. Reinstitute the Constitution and HANG every government puke that qualifies as a traitor. No trials needed. If our forefathers were here now that's EXACTLY what they would do. Hang these fuckers.
The migrant problem has been solved. The EU has paid Turkey 3 billion fiat units to keep the migrants in Turkey.
/sarc (probably)
Leak is out. No policy changes
And why do these bastatrds think they can tell us what to do? The law? Who makes the law? They do. Screw their law. It's the stupid bastatrds that wear the bullshit clown suit uniforms with their little shiny badges telling us that robbing us and fucking us over is their "job". They're nothing more than agents of a corrupt state protecting and carrying out the tyrannical plans of criminals. Even to their own detriment they're so stupid. They need to go first so the people can get to the criminals and carry out justice, REAL justice by hanging them in the streets. First go to where the cops live and hang every one of them for treason. They enrich themselves by screwing over the people. That's treason in ANY country. HANG THEM ALL
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Blaming Greece for not guarding Schengen borders is absurd, because, while Greece is part of Schengen Agreement, it has no common land borders with other Schengen member states. As far as I know, the "refugees" are not coming into Western Europe by planes. Any refugee that enters Schengen space into Greece must travel across non-Schengen land to get to other Schengen states, unless he takes a plane (or boat).
It seems like the ideology of "borders, language and culture", which makes a nation, a nation, is beginning to become like "The Brave New World", which was full of immorality and the convergence of one culture. So which came first, the gross immorality followed by the death of language, borders and culture or the other way around? Perhaps both at the same time?
Reminds me of Babylon in the OT. Seems like that is the direction; I need to go back and read Agenda21. I believe that TPTB would like to see Sharia Law imposed on all nations and themselves being exempt. After all, Islam is a Satanic religion and Satanist will embrace that which is most Satanic and exempt themselves.
I guarantee you that some of these Islamic gurus (forgot what they call them) do everything that would otherwise have your hand cut-off, neck stretched and a stoning to death, yet get away with it due to status. Mohammad got away with all of it. Jesus is the example by which we should try to imitate, for love triumphs over evil.