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Russia Presents Detailed Evidence Of ISIS-Turkey Oil Trade
On Monday, Turkey’s sultan President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said something funny. In the wake of Vladimir Putin’s contention that Russia has additional proof of Turkey’s participation in Islamic State’s illicit crude trade, Erdogan said he would resign if anyone could prove the accusations.
Now obviously, conclusive evidence that Ankara is knowingly facilitating the sale of ISIS crude will probably be hard to come by, at least in the short-term, but the silly thing about Erdogan’s pronouncement is that we’re talking about a man who was willing to plunge his country into civil war over a few lost seats in Parliament. The idea that he would ever “step down” is patently absurd.
But that’s not what’s important. What’s critical is that the world gets the truth about who’s financing and facilitating “Raqqa’s Rockefellers.” If a NATO member is supporting this, and if the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks for 14 months as part of an understanding with Erdogan, well then we have a problem. For those who need a review, see the following four pieces:
- The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking
- Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
- How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence
- ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection
Unfortunately for Ankara, The Kremlin is on a mission to blow this story wide open now that Turkey has apparently decided it’s ok to shoot down Russian fighter jets. On Wednesday, we get the latest from Russia, where the Defense Ministry has just finished a briefing on the Islamic State oil trade. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Turkey may be in trouble.
First, here’s the bullet point summary via Reuters:
- RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA'S AIR STRIKES IN SYRIA HELPED TO ALMOST HALVE ILLEGAL OIL TURNOVER
- RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS TURKISH PRESIDENT AND FAMILY INVOLVED IN BUSINESS WITH ISLAMIC STATE OIL
- RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS WILL CONTINUE STRIKES IN SYRIA ON ISLAMIC STATE OIL INFRASTRUCTURE
- RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS KNOWS OF THREE ROUTES BY WHICH ISLAMIC STATE OIL IS DIRECTED TO TURKEY
- RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS TO PRESENT NEXT WEEK INFORMATION SHOWING TURKEY HELPING ISLAMIC STATE
That’s the Cliff’s Notes version and the full statement from Deputy Minister of Defence Anatoly Antonov is below. Let us be the first to tell you, Antonov did not hold back.
In the opening address, the Deputy says the ISIS oil trade reaches the highest levels of Turkey's government. He also says Erdogan wouldn’t resign if his face was smeared with stolen Syrian oil. Antonov then blasts Ankara for arresting journalists and mocks Erdogan’s “lovely family oil business.” Antonov even calls on the journalists of the world to "get involved" and help Russia "expose and destroy the sources of terrorist financing."
"Today, we are presenting only some of the facts that confirm that a whole team of bandits and Turkish elites stealing oil from their neighbors is operating in the region," Antonov continues, setting up a lengthy presentation in which the MoD shows photos of oil trucks, videos of airstrikes and maps detailing the trafficking of stolen oil. The clip is presented here with an English voice-over. Enjoy.
After loading up with oil, a truck convoy in east Syria heads toward Turkey in direction Al-Qamishli:
October 18: in the Drer-ez-zor region a satellite imagte reveals 1772 oil trucks:
November 14: in the Tavan and Zaho regions, in the zone where coalition forces are active, one can see a gathering of oil trucks:
November 28: in the region Kara-Choh on the territory of an oil refinery one can see 50 oil trucks:
The routes of alleged oil smuggling from Syria and Iraq to Turkey:
A substantial part from east Syria enter a refinery in Batman, Turkey (100km from the Syria border):
Video: an oil truck enters Turkey unhindered:
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And here's the latest video of Russia destroying Islamic State oil infrastructure:
Oh, and for good measure, Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy says the US is not bombing ISIS oil trucks.
ISIS OIL logistics hub, over 3,000 TRUCKS, travelling between Iraq & TURKEY & US can't seem to find this???
BS pic.twitter.com/TNBa7CD9F0
— WowWow (@wowscasino) December 2, 2015
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Full statement from Anatoly Antonov (translated)
At a briefing for the media, "the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the fight against international terrorism. The new data "
International terrorism - is the main threat of our time. This threat is not illusory but real, and many countries, primarily Russia, knows this firsthand. The notorious "Is Islamic state" - the absolute leader of the terrorist international. This is a rearing monster of international terrorism can be countered. And you can win. Over the past two months, Aerospace Russian forces is clearly demonstrated.
We are firmly convinced that victory over LIH need to deliver a powerful and devastating blow to the sources of its funding, as repeatedly mentioned by President Vladimir Putin. Terrorism has no money - is a beast without teeth. Oil revenues are a major source of terrorist activity in Syria. They earn about $ 2 billion. Dollars annually, spending this money on hiring fighters around the world, providing them with weapons, equipment and weapons. That's why so LIH protects thieves oil infrastructure in Syria and Iraq.
The main consumer of stolen from legitimate owners - Syria and Iraq - the oil is Turkey. According to the data entered in this criminal business involved the highest political leadership of the country - President Erdogan and his family.
We have repeatedly talked about the dangers of flirting with terrorists. It's like that stokes. The fire from one country can spill over to others. This situation we are seeing in the Middle East. Today, we present only part of the facts, confirming that the region has a team of bandits and Turkish elites stealing oil from the neighbors.
This oil in large numbers on an industrial scale, for the living pipelines from thousands of oil tankers entering the territory of Turkey. We are absolutely convinced today present you the hard facts about what the final destination of the stolen oil - Turkey. There is a large number of media representatives, and Our briefing will see more of your colleagues. In this regard, I would like to say the following. We know and appreciate the work of journalists. We know that in the journalistic community, many courageous, fearless people honestly do its job.Today, we have clearly shown you how the illegal trade in oil, the result of which - the financing of terrorism. Provided concrete evidence that, in our opinion, may be the subject of investigative journalism.
We are confident that the truth with your help will, will find its way. We know the price to Erdogan. He has already been caught in a lie again Turkish journalists who opened Turkey delivery of arms and ammunition to militants under the guise of humanitarian convoys. For this imprisoned journalists.
Do not resign Turkish leaders, particularly Mr. Erdogan, and did not recognize, even if their faces will be smeared by oil thieves. I might be too harsh, but at the hands of the Turkish military killed our comrades. The cynicism of the Turkish leadership is unlimited. Look what they're doing ?! Climbed to a foreign country, it shamelessly robbed. And if the owners interfere, then they have to be addressed.
I stress that Erdogan's resignation is not our goal. It is - it is the people of Turkey. Our goal and the goal to which we urge you, ladies and gentlemen, - joint action to block the sources of funding for terrorism. We will continue to provide evidence of robbery by Turkey of its neighbors. Maybe I'll be too straightforward, but the control of these thieves in business can be entrusted only to the most close people.
No one in the West, I wonder, does not cause the issue that the son of the President of Turkey is the leader of one of the largest energy companies, and son-in-appointed Minister of Energy? What a brilliant family business!
This, in general, may elsewhere? Well, once again, of course, such cases can not be charging anyone, only the closest people. Votes this fact in the Western media we do not see much, but it sure can not hide the truth. Yes, of course, dirty petrodollars will work. I am sure that there are now discussions about the fact that everything you see here, - falsification. Well. If it did not - let be allowed in those places that we showed journalists.
It is obvious that today the publicity was devoted only part of the information about the monstrous crimes of the Turkish elites who directly finance international terrorism. We believe that any sane journalist should fight this plague of the XXI century. The world experience has repeatedly argued that the objective journalism is able to be an effective and formidable tool in the fight against various financial corruption schemes. We invite colleagues to investigative journalism on the disclosure of financial schemes and supplies oil from the terrorists to the consumers. Especially since the oil produced in the controlled militants territories in transit through Turkish ports shipped to other regions. For its part, the Ministry of Defense of Russia will continue to disclose new evidence on the supply of terrorists oil to foreign countries and to talk about the conduct of aerospace forces of Russia operations in Syria.Let's unite our efforts. We will destroy the sources of financing of terrorism in Syria, as you get involved in the kind of work abroad. "
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I would just think the evidence would be perpeually oil stained roads leading into turkey Ha!
More "weapons of mass destruction"?
whatever, let's get this free-for-all started already!
https://www.rt.com/news/324252-russian-military-news-briefing/
US pal and NATO ally Turkey
2,000 fighters, 250 vehicles and over 120 tons of ammo have been sent in the past weeks from Turkey to terrorists in Syria, fuelling the violence in the country.
Russia cannot comprehend that such a large-scale business as oil smuggling could not have been noticed by the Turkish authorities. Russia concludes that the Turkish leadership is directly involved in the smuggling.
Russia doesn’t expect Turkish President Erdogan to resign in the face of the new evidence, even though he had promised to do so. His resignation is not Russia’s goal and is a matter for the Turkish people.
#Smeardogan
You heard it here first, folks!
Putin is presenting evidence to the world. It's what a world leader would do.
He's a far greater world politician than Barry.
Not sure that he is a better politician, but he is without doubt vastly superior as a leader.
It's not like Obama writes his own material, plans his own campaign or does anything else for himself. Putin is far more competent than Obama at anything. Remember when Obama painted that house? What a sissy.
Putin is definitely the better politician, as well as leader.
You can respect the stances he takes on the international stage and the direction he takes the Motherland - that's leadership.
He can also rally as much support as he likes in Russia, at the drop of a hat - the guy's a natural.
Only Libtards like Barry. All he can do with everyone else is get them to hate him more.
Politics is the practice of activities in relation to power. Good politics increases one's power standing, bad reduces it.
Putin is very good at politics. Barry sucks ass.
But then again, we knew that.
I' m watching the rebroadcast live right now. Video of all these trucks. Damn good video and stills. Gee, why can't the USSA produce these(oh yeah, the MSM isn't allowed to show the truth. Better to show some college campus protest rather than the truth about whose side is really trying to stop terrorism.) Maybe our reconaissence equipment isn't as good as Russian equipment and our satelittes can't find the Turkish-Syrian border. Never seen so many trucks back to back, even on the Jersey Turnpike or the Long Beach Freeway before a holiday when the economy was good.s a lot of bucks going into Erdogan son's pocket (and Israel's)
Yet, people in this country still stand and pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America...........what a bunch of sheep..........
And to the Republic for which it stands is not a bad pledge it's in fact quite honorable but nothing in that pledge says that you are aligning yourself with what could be construed as illegal acts by those who chose to commit them.
I recite my own version.
"and to the Republic for which it stood"
I mouth the word "indivisible" but do not vocalize it.
The pledge to the Texas flag I recite as written.
that's just awsome keep up the good work, a politician who is not lying give this man a medal or something !
"[T]he term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term."
Reclaiming the Goddess: Stop Using the Name ISIS to Describe a Bunch of Ignorant, Murderous F**ktardshttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n0s2zrBiBOU/VlzM6MdqrZI/AAAAAAAACo0/Ogb4N0SkDpw/s1600/Isis.jpg
...thnx for bringing this to ppls attention :-)
Did the Putin report mention the ISIS oil sales to Isreal?
Here a picture of Mary Isis and Jesus Horus. Complete with Halo Sunburst.
http://nicphillipssacredart.com/icons/isis-and-horus/
What are the people who junked you actually, if you think about it, junking you *for*?
It is a mindless, idiotic defense of Israel being mentioned, however fairly, if its the sort of criticism and negative comments we all constantly use against our own gov and nation.
Thats why hasbararats are so fucking gross. They are automaton liars and hypocrites for our biggest frenemy.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/11/23/israel-americas-biggest-fr...
Fuck each of you. Hard.
Don't know. But they can, might, and hopefully will list the countries to which the stolen oil was sold to by Turkey.
Then they can openly challenge these countries to "Stop buying Terrorist Oil", lest they become officially known as Terror States. Note that in at least 2* cases, this label is already appropriate -- "If the shoe fits..."
* The US and its Globalist Controllers/Masters, at home and abroad
A petition has been created to help spread awareness of this and you can sign it here:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/767/932/805/?taf_id=12562735&cid=fb_na
If your name is Isis or have a daughter or family member named Isis, you can connect with others who are also facing the unnecessary backlash of this irresponsible choice by the media at www.Facebook.com/saveourname
dumbest petition ever
Erdogan: "So what if the MIT trucks were filled with weapons?"
We are running out of scapegoats (dirty as they are). From Pakistan west to Turkey, there are no countries left to blame?
mate...please resign
>> Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy says the US is not bombing ISIS oil trucks.
They're too busy bombing the rest of Syria.
Statements available in English here:
http://eng.syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/news/more.htm?id=12070726@cmsArticle
For once the lying MSM journalists will have to respond to these Russian accusations; the information is too detailed and is being provided by the other superpower. The old communist capitalist cold war is now the information war; the Russians provide facts and the US provides fantasies. I just wish even one of the 500+ congressmen and senators in the US could come out for 911 JUSTICE
We need to stop calling it 911 TRUTH; we know the truth, we want justice. Even Tulsa Gabbard at 7:20 in this video repeated the governments BS story that the jihadists whom the US supports in Syria "atttacked us on 911" (she lays the blame squarely on the jihadists for 911 but that's the lying meme that needs to be addressed in order to begin to restore a legitimate govemenment to the US)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHkher6ceaA
Sorry Tulsa is just a limited hangout operative. Not one single US congressman can admit that 911 was an inside job!! Or even is a chance of being an inside job? As long as the murderers who did 911 in our government and in Israel are allowed to get away with this, we will still be led by PSYCHOPATHS. And that means that war is still coming.
Russian politicians need to come out with demands for investigations regarding 911; cell phones don't work at 35K feet (max altitude is 5K feet or less) and not in planes going 500 mph (max speed for cell phones to word is 150 mph). CeeCell Lyles cell phone call to her husband was at 35K feet flying 500mph over rural Pennsylvania according to our governments BS story. She even had the courage to tell her husband, while a gun was pointed to her head no doubt, the words "it's a frame", then you can hear her say "sorry" to somebody standing next to her before the call is cut off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUrxsrTKHN4 (at 37 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbzaZNzdIFA (you can her a male voice feed her the words 'very much' at 16 seconds)
The FBI was told eleven months before 911 that there was a plot to fly planes into the WTC . Three men speaking Hebrew were overheard by an IDF veteran and this veteran (Andras Szekely) who was a US patriot told the FBI
http://911blogger.com/news/2007-04-04/follow-%E2%80%9Cprior-knowledge-911-attacks-overheard-hebrew%E2%80%9D-story-fbi-looks-documents-where-they-cannot-be-found
You describe the situation accurately. I am very suspicious of "Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth". They are clearly well financed but totally ineffective. That's not by accident. To most effectively deal with the opposition, be the opposition.
When someone accuses the USA or its allies, out comes the truth rangers demanding truth, The information you give them just ain't never good enough. More proof, they say!
Where were these truth rangers when the US government with a straight face concocted the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The USA can accuse anyone of anything and it's off to war our children go. The truth rangers then come out and spread the lie. Then after thousands die and the truth finally does come out no one gives a shit. Remember the WMD,,, where were these truth rangers? Remember the Yellow Cake? Remember killing babies in incubators? How about burning out those women and children at the Koresh "compound". Despicable, and no truth rangers requiring absolute proof in any of these. And 911,,, three buildings into their footprint from kerosene fires and one of those buildings was never hit by one of those drones. An obvious demolition even to a kindergartner but,,, so sorry,,, no truth rangers available demanding verifiable notarized truth from the lying assholes in government or the military. And even those that wanted an investigation had to watch the liars cart off all the evidence. Where's the gold or cash that was in these buildings? Same place the Libyan and Iraqi gold went I imagine but gee,,, no truth rangers running about or filling the comment pages demanding truth from the US government.
The whole thing is disgusting.
Erdogan is following well in the footsteps of "profit" Mohammad, the land pirate, pedophile and lying murderous "prophet" of allah. Erdogan will lose his country and the oil business. He will be lucky if he even has a snackbar to run for allah.
Ah Oh You better change your address, get a gun with lots of bullets cuz the muzzies are gonna come get you for blast-famy.
Why be afraid of a bunch of pubescent children bent on claiming 72 chaste goats on their arrival in Allahland? I notice none of their leaders is ready to spill their own blood- only the blood of the naive.
So you're saying the British ruling class is Muslim?
Didn't Uganda President Idi Amin (former colonel in the British army) and get a free pass to live in Saudi Arabia after killing estimated 100,000 to 500,000 in his own country and more in the Uganda-Tanzania war. Erdogan son can always hide out in the UN head of human rights house in Riyad.
He was a Sergeant
I seem to remember Bilal setting up a bolthole in Italy and moving a few billion to it in advance of the election.
Article 3, section 3, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy is an element in the crime of Treason.
Yes but who determines just WHO or WHAT constitutues the ENEMY??? Do we need a declaration of war? If so, where and when has Congress declared war? Me thinks that the constitution is only enforceable in the courts. The political branches would determine the status of ENEMY for the purposes of the constitution. Thus under separartion of powers, this would pose a POLITICAL QUESTION upon the courts. Moreover, who among us has STANDING to seek redress under the constitution? Answer. NOBODY!!! Hence, the plain language of written constitutions become MOOT as UNENFORCEABLE.
Because of these judicially created doctrines, (form over substance) their exist NO remedy short of insurrection, rebellion, and eventual civil war. Hedge accordingly
You are lost in nonsensical legalisms. We know who the enemy is and they should be removed from the earth as soon as possible. If you can't figure out who thy are by now, you are part of the problem.
You and those like you who dither and wander in confusion are turning the "law" into a suicide pact. The enemy is NOT a religion, it is a political ideology masquerading as a religion, that is a clear and present danger to our constitutional republic and should be eliminated from the earth forthwith.....no more dithering and lawyerly genocide, they are playing our judges and political morons for fools.
Yea we know who the enemy is. We know who is enableing our enemies. Hell, substantial arguments can be made that our government created our enemies. Blowback is based on the universal rules of cause and effect.
My point here is a lack of LEGAL REMEDY under the rule of law. This is NOT nonesense and how you can equate my mere observation being"part of the problem". As I point out, without the MEANS to LEGAL REDRESS under the rule of law within the context of constitutional violations, what then is LEFT to the citizen? ANSWER: VIOLENT REDRESS.
YES, we have a clear and present danger. Yes, on its face the constitution is being shredded. YES the fucking lawyers in robes have fucked us ALL. How the FUCK do you equate mere observation as "nonesensical legalisms"??? You appear confused
Article 3, Section 3, Clause 1 is the very definition of Barry Soetoro and the Demoncrap wing of the D.C. political cartel.
Hang them all from the nearest lamp posts. We'll take time for the trials later, after their rotted remains have been fed to the feral dogs of the urban plantations.
Ha ha ha ...in the so-called "western democracies" the truth has long been irrelevant, nada, nichts..a festering sore on the puss oozing talking heads from the Washing town thugocracy to the pedophile politburo of USSAN vassals in Brussels. To imagine that a Third World gangster mess like the Turkey would have any use for "truth" anymore than logic is risible in the extreme.
Meanwhile help save the endangered liver-eating ghouls of I$I$ that the Saudi Mercan petroscrip IOU toilet paper so badly depends on. Hug a head-chopper today and make room for more of these "refugees" heading to a slum near you.
copied from earlier thread one hour ago:
"Please let's note that this morning, the Russian Defence Ministry gave a large live press conference in Moscow providing evidence that Turkey and Erdogan and his family are directly dealing with the stolen oil from Syria and Iraq by ISIS, the international crime and terrorist gangster organisation.
Russian officials presented aerial photos/charts which show there are three routes of oil tankers into Turkey from Syria and Iraq. Two go directly to Turkish refineries and one goes to Med ports for onward shipment (presumably to Israel, another international crime and terrorist state).
Will the fascist Erdogan now resign? or will he refute the evidence?"
please show us the paperwork, how can you do so otherwise? charts and arial photos are nice and all, but where is the proof? i am not trying to defend the godless turks, or the evil of isis, I just want hard solid evidence.
EDIT: Come on now, all you have is down arrows? my my my...
If there are BILLIONS in oil flowing somewhere, there are bank accounts that have the paperwork, even a bookie has paperwork. Come on now, follow the money, isn't that what most of you say here?
A jesus freak (or a yeshua freak, which is far worse) demanding hard evidence before believing what there is fairly good reason to believe, aye?
Ever worry you might just up and disappear in a puff of logic one day?
Have you considered if I am right, you are in a world of hurt for eternity? Just sayin' If you are right neither of us has a problem, however, where is your book of life to refute what I say? You dont have one.
I'm not the one with paperwork evidence. That'll be the Russian Ministry of Defence who set it all out earlier at their press conference.
I would say that satellite and aerial images taken which show long convoys of oil tankers trundling into Turkey from Syria and on to Turkish oil refineries or to Med ports is pretty conslusive. Wouldn't you? There's other evidence apparently which shows that Erdogan and his family are directly involved in this criminal trade.
Let's put this into perspective: ZH has published several articles recently which round up a lot of the evidence showing Bilal Erdogan is running the show. Several days ago, the French ex-PM stated that they have evidence of Syrian oil going direct to Turkish refineries.
Today, Russia has added to all that.
I guess RT.com will have a video available of that press conference by now, so suggest you watch.
(I have not red-downed you).
There's another aspect to this: Turkey is a NATO member and who runs NATO: the US. This means that both NATO and the Pantygon and Obola all know what Turkey has been up to with ISIS. And you can bet that Westminster also knows.
If Obama, the Pentagon and NATO all know this, why would they support Erdogan and Turkey? These are treading on treasonous offences, are they not?
Aiding and abetting the enemy?
They support Erdogan and Turkey because he is helping them to get rid of Assad which is their only serious objective in this pantomime. That's why they all hate Putin so much.
Yes, I guess it's treasonous but who is going to investigate, draft charges and make an arrest?: Only someone with a death wish.
It's impossible to commit treason if one defines the enemy for oneself and can defend that choice. That's true at the top and that's true at the bottom.
Bay of Pigs, I heartily agree with you on your point here, as this US administration is not to be trusted, period.
So you are saying just because you see pictures of oil tankers going north or wherever, that it has never happened before? You have seen all movements of oil for the last 10 years and have first hand knowledge of it all? I Doubt it.
"So you are saying just because you see pictures of oil tankers going north or wherever, that it has never happened before?"
It's not ME who has seen these convoys of tankers. The Russians have produced satellite and aerial photos of them crossing the border and heading into Turkey.
Where do you think they're going if not into Turkey??
The French have evidence of them going directly into Turkish oil refineries.
I don't think anyone disputes that ISIS are involved in stealing Syrian oil and selling it at a discount price. The issue is how involved Turkey is. Today's evidence seems to close that doubt. Erdogan and family are up to their necks in it.
If you wish to disbelieve the evidence or dispute it as a matter of principle, be my guest.
My point being, have oil tankers EVER gone this route before? can you answer that?
it doesnt make what Putin says a liar, I want the paper train, then banking accts, billions dont just appear from nowhere and go nowhere? THINK about it.
Money laundering and international banking, think about it.
Patience grasshopper...
Always cute to see the selective empiricism of inveterate twats.
You still don't get it Johnny, but that is ok, time is undefeated!
Or in his case, patience arsegroper
See, here is another sinner, who can only express himself by cursing or putting down, no arguements at all. I used to do that, up until even just a few days ago, and realized how stupid it made me sound. In your case, think about what you are actually doing?
we will all see at some point corsair, and i am still open to all the possibilities, so you are correct, until all the evidence is in, everyone is guessing. Do you not think ALL countries have ulterior motives?
Your right Unix those trucks could be sneaking into those Turk refineries, forged documents allowing the oil to be processed and returned to run the fleets of White Toyota's.. who knows... Many explanations for thousands of oil trucks exiting a war zone into an adjoining country...
I am just saying the evidence provided is NOT proof positive, that is all. I am not dismissing this out of hand, just asking for hard facts, and maybe that is unattainable, but does it make what we read here true? i think not.
Ok, you have explained your position but your high hurdle for evidence opens you to ridicule as you have found. The Son of Erdogan is in charge of state oil this you know, asking for much more in this corrupt cesspool is tilting at windmills..
3:16
redicule, by whom? just because some people on this board think they know it all and have no space for other thoughts or opinions. No, more like skewered, is what I am going through, just for asking for the whole truth, with hard evidence? pictures and maps dont do it for me.
I am also taking heat for my beliefs, and trying to open eyes, for that I've been called every name in the book, and this is supposed to be an enlighted site? I see
while read bullshit
do
echo $bullshit > /dev/null
done
a program now? so you cannot think or express yourself outside of bits and bytes, now that is a sad commentary, it shows me something, you are one dimensional.
"Will the fascist Erdogan now resign? or will he refute the evidence?"
He will do what all corrupt politicians and slimey businessmen do: Play the Procedure and PR game.
NATO should employ its intelligence to investigate this. If found to be true (which I believe it is), then NATO should expel Turkey and let them defend themselves against Syria and Russia. The Turkish military is great at killing their own people, it would be interesting to see how they fare against the bear and friends. BTW - again if this is true, there is no doubt whatsoever that the U.S. is complicit, no doubt at all.
NATO going to investigate? You're a comedian- right?
As far as the U.S. being complicit-all that is left is implausible deniability.
Yes, I agree - the U.S. rules NATO and there is no chance NATO will investigate. On the other hand, were I Recep Erdogan I would be very careful - foreign leaders who become an embarrassment for the U.S tend to die in office, get sodomized with a bayonet, or hung.
NATO has intelligence ?
NATO will never EVER expel Turkey or allow Turkey to fall under the control of Russia or any other country, since Turkey is the crossroads and literal lynchpin for the entire oil & gas distribution network from North Africa, Levant, Middle East, and Caspian region which feeds into Europe.
If anything, Turkey will likely become the next major hot zone. Tick tock. Tick tock.
Yes. Nato is totally trustworthy and peace loving and honest just like its individual members such as turkey, and the united states.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/bombshell-turkish-attack-russian-s...
The REAL question (especially for NATO) is: Does this constitute a mere act of State-sponsored Terrorism, or is it also an Act-of-War (toward Syria and Iraq)?
Seriously. Tyler? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?
I have a hard time believing ANY govt lie! ALL govts lie, because they are run by narcisistic, evil people. So, be careful what you read may just be a lie. I am not saying this is a lie, but do your homework...I want to see proof.
Now, we can say the thin smoker in the rainbow house is a liar, he's been caught at it many times, starting with the interview where he professes his muslim faith, that was no mistake. There are MANY more.
Putin lied about the anexation of Crimea too.
Get Jesus Christ in your life, He is the ONLY truth, all of the rest is lies and inuendo.
You can post all of the links you want to try to refute what I am saying here, but I can bet each and every one can either be refuted, or is found to be a half truth!
Proselytize somewhere else.
Why, because you find the truth to be inconvenient? No, I think I'll stay right here, thanks.
I don't go preach to the choir sonny jim, I preach to the sinners in life, and there are many here, not all, but plenty of them...and that is what I intend to do. Not much you're gonna be able to do about it either.
I would lay down my life for your free speech, but you would stifle mine, what a narrow mind you have there. BTW, my free speech comes from God, and the Constitution merely affirms that right. You can't handle the truth.
geez, ask the sarge, section manager, cubilce cleaner or whoever gives you talking points to up the game or move on to a site for kids.
I have to laugh just a bit here, since you are so all knowing and I only have talking points, does that make you right? just asking, sir? And what site would you have me move to? I think I will stay here and talk to the sinners of the world, not that all here are sinners, but a lot are...just look at the put downs and the cursing.
I love you all so much, that I bring the word of God to you, so that you will turn your backs on sin, and please, let's have intelligent conversations, not just attacks out of hate. I support your freedom of speech as I said above, but you would stifle mine? Let me ask you, is that fair?
Fred Phelps had an identical twin.
This is Fight Club dude. If you want to post, make your points be prepared to defend them. Don't try the religious fall back position on "truth", because that wont work here. Quite frankly, I am appalled by the ignorance and apathy of the average American evangelical Christian. Deaf, blind and dumb and brainwashed by lousy teaching in churches, and via public education and the MSM. Face it, most of what you've been taught your entire life has been a lie. That is the bitter pill to swallow, as many here have found out, myself included.
So, my advice is this. If you are not clear on the FED, CFR, AIPAC, and Rothschilds, etc....go read some material and get up to speed.
If the truth of the Bible is not good enough, then I have nothing more for you, it is quite that simple, my friend. You are free to believe or disbelieve whatever you want, that is up to you. I am putting things out here, one does not see on a regular basis here, does that make me a bitter pill? In your eyes that is obvious, but I won't hold that against you.
The only ones here that are bainwashed are the ones who believe in nothing, and fall for anything, just like you do. I have not attacked you, or put anyone down, yet you call me ignorant?
It's all good my friend, I like the discussion part, but the cursing and putting down of others based on man's 'reason', is flawed, just like man is, so is his science. Don't get me wrong, I think science has it's merits, but after all it was created by flawed men.
unix, I side with "Bay of Pigs" in this:
"This is Fight Club dude. If you want to post, make your points be prepared to defend them. Don't try the religious fall back position on "truth", because that wont work here."
meanwhile, pick a side with my fight with "Buckaroo Banzai", if you really want next time you see him here
my point: "Baby Jesus was a refugee. fleeing persecution, his family brought him to Egypt". his point is that I am misinterpreting, as far as I understood him
and don't get me started on "science" vs scientific method. or reason/logic. oh, and I fart in th general direction of any request for "moderation of language"
Ghordius, what you think is up to you, I will not pick a side because you say I have to. I believe in the salvation of Jesus Christ, I repent of my sins every day, and am far from perfect. Your logic and reason, are based on the flawed intellect of man, science is an art.
Jesus was a Jew in his own land, and was killed by other Jews, it does not make him a refugee at all, He died on the cross and shed his blood for our sins, He gives us the opportunity to change our ways and be covered, if you would only sin no more, and believe in Him and accept Him as your savior,
Yeah tho I speak the truth, the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. You see there is no OTHER way. No amount of your age of reson matters, or is relevant to your SOUL.
BTW, Jesus did not escape Egypt, so I encourage you to read the Bible for the truth, not the internet, or some atheistic text.
The wage of sin is eternal death, I emplore you to seek the truth in everything.
Excellent post BOP
Face it, most of what you've been taught your entire life has been a lie. That is the bitter pill to swallow. +100
IT is the lie that you believe there is no God, as I live and breath, I mean you no harm, nor can I force anyone to believe in anything, but to consider your eternal soul. Turn away from sin and sin no more.
I am all too familiar with Christian teaching and the Bible, which I have read cover to cover a few times. And yes, it is "good enough for me" and I am thankful for it. You calling me someone who "believes in nothing" is absurd on its face. Please, get over yourself, it is nothing personal. I have had my ass handed to me many times here on many subjects by far wiser people than I. So lighten up on the religious dogma.....and always be prepared for someone to hit you in the face. This is ZH and Fight Club after all. Clear enough?
Peace and Aloha bro...
Then why do you belittle what I say, if you are man of faith say so, dont be embarrassed, stand up for it...even if it is not cool. I say some people believe in nothing, maybe you dont fit that mold, it was a general statement.
This fight club you speak of, have you ever been hit? Have you ever been in a knife fight? How about a gun fight? You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word. Have you ever lived through a civil war? I bet not.
We are heading there my friend, if not a global war, not to mention economic collapse. Who will you depend on then? yourself and no other? If so you will be doomed to failure.
Peace be with you my brother in Christ, and to all at fight club, I mean no harm, just salvation of souls.
I must leave for a bit to go work, but I will be back, every day.
BTW Bay, I have presented my case and have been perfectly clear. Do you hate God so much that you think there is no position there? For the love of my fellow man and woman, I speak what I do, that is all.
The Bible is not a fallback position, it is the book of LIFE, if you choose to reject it, that is for you to decide. You call me deaf dumb and blind, but then what does that make you, a perfect human being, I think not, judging by your tone, you don't think very much of me, and that is a sad commentary. Are we not countrymen? Are we not all fighting against the tyranny that we see that has taken over our country (if you are American that is)?
Each man must make his own bond with God in his own way. God will punish you for acting like you have the message for every man and for being part of an institutionalized religion as you most surely are. It is folks like you that have distorted the message of God.
God will not punish me for for the message, becuase Jesus said spread the word of truth. You have you hat on backwards, do some reading.
Unix
I can handle the truth. But I do not confuse belief with truth.
Were the slaves in the Bible granted free speech from God ?
Kayman, DO you blame all evil in the world on God, or Satan? There is a BIG difference. Satan was dropped down here to rule the world, evil and sin are his making, so is desease, drug abuse, gang banging, war, cursing, etc.
You happen to live in a time when slavery is more hidden, as in you get up every day and are a slave to the dollar, or ruple, whatever form of money you use.
Jesus mocked the money changers, so what is your point, do you not have free speech now, yet are a slave right now? Wake up to the fact, our freedoms and rights come from God, not a piece of parchment called the Constitution, albeit, it is the legal framework we all go by, it is the best set of documents man has made, outside of the Bible.
Think about that for a bit before you respond.
Why don't you go over there yourself and do your own research? It's the only way. Good luck.
I am not the one who is presenting the case, Putin is, so let him prove it. I don't need luck to be able to use critical thinking skills my friend.
Any other issue in the news today you are demanding hard proof for?
I just see someone repeatedly asking all of a sudden because russia is involved. No?
There is quite a lot of 'news' that is presented as fact, when it is nothing more than inuendo, so yes, I do require more evidence on the majority of it. Just because this is about Russia, does not make me require more or less information. I have asked only once for more proof, where is the repeated part? Other than to justify the ad hominem attacks that some of you foist upon me.
What disqualifies you as a "critical thinker" is your eagerness to belittle the currently presented evidence...
Russians have clearly stated that there is more to come.
and when I see true evidence, proof positive, the paper trails and the banking accounts of who got what money, I will then be saticfied, until then, not so much. I am sorry that what was presented is not enough for me, as the lies go deeper than you think. If that is all you need then fine, I require a bit more.
EDIT: please do point out where I have belittled the so called 'evidence'? I question it yes, for you see, it is lacking in proof.
sync;sync;sync;halt
you have me confused with an operating system, I don't shutdown at your command kiwi. I will be here every day, and there is nothing you will be able to do about it, truly.
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That will require the miracle, not any lucks.
Lucks? Pray tell what is that word you have made up?
The miracle will make itself evident in time, and time always wins.
Nice use of the " to stifle the up and downs, but I don't bother with silly little arrows, they really have no meaning without discourse. Of course you made a typo, that much is evident.
So where is your miracle, sir?
Why refute the inane ravings of a lunatic?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/07/video-no-obama-didnt-admit-to-bein...
Because I care, goddamnit.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/22/crimeans-keep-saying-no-to-ukraine/
I care because inside every Fox News viewin', Breitbart readin', Muslim-hatin', Selectively "Christian" one of you insufferable low IQ brainwashed chickenshit fuckin' pussy assholes - there is a slighly less cunty version trying to get out.
AMERICA!!
Fuck Yeah!!
Johnny, I know it is hard for you to accept the truth, but your day of judgement comes. Time always wins. Your slings and arrows don't bother me anymore, and your cursing shows your lack of care. I used to respond in kind, and even initiate it, but I will do so no more.
I urge you, above of all the posters here, to repent your sin and accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
As to the hotair you just posted a link to, that is all it is, hot air. I have seen the original video, and it was not edited, or retouched, the Obomination spoke those words. I am sorry you cannot see that, and can only hope one day that you will wake up.
I dont care enough about Obama to spend any time pointing out that the interview is all over the intertube and its absolutely clear, in context, what he means.
Go - be an Islamophobe Jewish Zionist (Im sorry - a "Christian") for all I care.
It suffices for me to know, that you know, that I know, you are absolutely full of shit.
Amen.
You can worship your god of mammon, it does show your complete lack of understanding of the true word of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and that my friend is a shame.
You can call me every name in the book, and I don't care, I will say a prayer for you and hope that one day the fleece will be lifted from your eyes. You and all of the others than down arrow me, are quite free to do so, it is your right.
Remember, time always wins, and your judgement day fast approaches. Have a great day.
Bullshit. He has plenty to offer here. Open you own eyes.
"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another."
Proverbs 27:17
Remove the timber in your own eye, before you see the speck in another's. Jesus Christ Matt, Mark, Luke and John.
What I am doing is presenting something that seems to be forgotten here, God, and the Salvation of Jesus Christ. The love I have for all people is not fake, I would like for you to repent of your sins, and sin no more. I am trying mightily to do so, but I am human, not perfect. Can you not see I am trying to sharpen faith in God? If not then that is on you, not me.
hey, unix "ch[iu]mp"
no one believes in your psychotic space fairy.
you mean you don't believe, that is fine and dandy, carry on.
Unix is a Hasbara troll who has adopted the disguise of being a Christian
"The truth" what you perceive as a truth is yours and yours alone.
As confucius said....He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good
You my friend are no better than any other religious fundementalist psychopath who would force their warped ideology on their fellow man, even if that means killing them
You might find the use of a mirror a great asset
Sorry to burst your bubble clipper, but I am not the only Christian in the world. What will you do when you are in Hell, ask confucius what happened here? Your soul means something to me, just like every other human being. I love you so much that I come on here and try at least. You are free to do as you please, but you don't have to put me down for my beliefs, that is unkind.
Holy Shit! And remind me why the USSA was not willing to stop the financing of terrorism?
Right! But don't you dare drive with $500. cash on you and get pulled over in an ordinary traffic stop. That money is GONE, you terrorist, you!
Well you can't bomb oil facilities because #COP21;
the US won't bomb tankers because #goat herder lives matter;
Half the missions flown return with no expended armaments because #we care about you;
And, of course, #usary rules the world, #ROI
Antonov even calls on the journalists of the world to "get involved" and help Russia "expose and destroy the sources of terrorist financing."
........crickets.......
Get Krugman on this ASAP. He'll figure out something face-saving.
Didn't think the Russians would go out in the open with this (normally this is done behind the scenes), but things are apparently at a very low point and Erdogan is considered an impossible "partner" so here we are ... interesting how will Erdogan's Western "friends" spin this one...
Let's hope this some how goes VIRAL and people sit up and listen.
It will never be reported. That is not in the .1% (and their minions) interests. Tax the general Population and profits go to the Rich. As well death to the millitay and nothing given to those who are hurt .
Waiting for the backlash.......Maybe when TV is off line.
He did not say "get it on MSM"", he said "make it VIRAL". So post a link to it somewhere and do your bit, that's all. If each and every ZHer that cares, did this, VIRAL is a chance. MSM is probably a no-hoper.
Now it's clear why NATO was kept alive. The new purpose of NATO is to give cover for the member nations to get away with these crimes, because if Russia said you (Turkey) deserve to be bombed for what you've done: stolen oil, supported terrorists, stolen the people's money, they have to consider their mobster allies in NATO would step up and defend them. For what Turkey did, they should be expelled from NATO, but the ultra corrupt US just loves the shit out of it, and keeps bombing sand mounds and lying to its own people as well regarding so called "efforts" against terrorism.
Blockade Turkey, ISIS dies, refugees return home. Spend the billions bombing Syria for rebuilding Syria.
DRUDGE REPORT
USA FACILITATES TERRORISM
USA is Terrorism...ask any wedding party in whereverstan
eminent domain claim on drudge.com in 3,2,1...
Hey Barry,
Lets just cut to the chase and make ISIS a NATO partner...ummm k. My junk is getting raw from all the circle jerking
Apparently the notion that israel would buy Terroil (trademark pending)
Is groundless science fiction.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-paper-claims-israel-biggest-buyer-of-i...
The denial by israel of course settles the matter.
Russian Analysts 1, USSA Analysts 0
This is looking like a massive USSA cover up. Worse than Watergate. Where are the Western Journalists?
where are the western propagandists ..fixed it for you
Western Journalists are busy re-writing intro paragraphs from State Department press releases and uploading them as "news."
Work smarter, not harder.
When exactly did the Old Republic become the Galactic Empire?
around Nov 22 1963
Sounds like something Cicero would say. We are all sounding like the Roman philosophers right about when Ceasar decided to invade his own capital.
Let's bring back Condoleeza Rice so she can explain why the USA had bad intelligence and it is not our fault
so, if ISIS is responsible for Paris attacks, then id Turkey partially responsible for Paris attacks as well?
It seems like Russian leadership is brilliant, and they think like a normal person. Why does our leadership appear to be so different as if from another planet?
Aliens have taken over our leaders body?
Probably some combination of everyone gets a trophy, flourided water and affirmative action lowering standards at universities to the lowest denominator.
But what would I know?
You are experiencing the cognitive dissonance caused by "The Lie". They can't admit their primary motives so have to lie to persuade people to do as they wish. Their lies don't match reality particularly well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
You are awakening from the propaganda matrix.
So when does NATO start bombing Turkey and US?
We were told that oil revenue was for the "Clinton Foundation" to help needy countries.
hotrod: We were told that oil revenue was for the "Clinton Foundation" to help needy countries.
...hey man, 20+ years later I'm still waiting for my check. "The oil in Iraq will pay for the war".
Trying to prove your claims in international politics.
Russia could teach the US something about the rule of law. It says a lot about the current state of affairs.
Ironic, isn't it. Here we are, going full Soviet, while Russia is trying to leave that all behind.
The US has become the USSR of the 21st century while Russia has become the best of what we used to be.