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Russia Threatens "Retaliatory Action" After NATO Expands Alliance For First Time In Six Years
As the war in Syria enters its fifth year with no end in site, it’s easy to forget about the world’s “other” proxy conflict, that which is still unfolding in Ukraine.
You might remember Ukraine as yet another example of US intervention gone horribly awry. Indeed, this was but another instance of Washington stepping in to support “democratic” protests on the way to bringing about regime change. Just three months after a dramatic visit to Maidan Square by the Senate’s favorite warhawk John McCain, Russian-backed President Viktor Yanukovych was unceremoniously ousted.
Unfortunately, the democratic utopia that America figured was inevitable didn’t take shape (just like it didn’t take shape after Gaddafi in Libya or after Saddam in Iraq) and now, Ukraine is mired in civil war as Russian-backed separatists battle Kiev’s US-backed regulars and a handful of nationalist militias.
The point is, that problem hasn’t gone away and in fact, reports indicate that the violence has accelerated this week. Ukraine, and before that, the Crimea “incident,” were the “original” Russia Vs. NATO proxy playgrounds and have only faded from memory because of just how dramatic the situation in Syria truly is. While tensions in Syria revolve primarily around the possibility of an “accident” that leads to a wider conflict, the Ukraine/Crimea issue was characterized by both sides’ fears of the other's territorial ambitions. NATO insisted that Vladimir Putin intended to invade and annex other territory while The Kremlin contended that a series of snap drills, war games, and heavy weapons deployments telegraphed NATO’s desire to expand its capabilities and influence on the way to threatening Russia’s borders.
As if tensions needed to rise any further in the wake of Turkey’s move to shoot down a Russian Su-24 near the Syrian border, NATO has once antagonized Moscow by extending a membership invitation to Montenegro. The announcement came at the NATO ministirial meetings being held in Brussels.
While that may sound inconsequential, Bloomberg reminds us that the country has “close economic links to Russia.”
“NATO expansion since 1999 into eastern European countries that were under Soviet domination during the Cold War has provoked Russian suspicions and, in 2014, was a factor in the Kremlin’s decision to retake Crimea and promote the rebellion in eastern Ukraine,” Bloomberg goes on to note.
The move marks the first expansion of the military alliance since 2009 and as Reuters puts it, "defies Russian warnings that enlargement of the U.S.-led bloc further into the Balkans is 'irresponsible' action that undermines trust." Here's more color:
Moscow opposes any NATO extension to former communist areas of eastern and southeastern Europe, part of an east-west struggle for influence over former Soviet satellites that is at the center of the crisis in Ukraine.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in September that any expansion of NATO was "a mistake, even a provocation". In comments to Russian media then, he said NATO's so-called open door policy was "an irresponsible policy that undermines the determination to build a system of equal and shared security in Europe."
RIA news agency cited a Russian senator as saying on Wednesday that Russia will end joint projects with Montenegro if the ex-Communist country joins the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. The Adriatic state of 650,000 people is expected to become a member formally next year.
“It’s not focused on Russia per se or anybody else," John Kerry said on Wednesday, adding that "it would be a great mistake to react adversely."
Kerry went on to insist that NATO "is not a threat to anyone ... it is a defensive alliance," which makes you wonder what exactly he meant when he said it "would be a great mistake to act adversely."
In any event, Russia isn't happy as Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow may need to take “retaliatory action.” Here's the whole statement:
“On all levels, Moscow has always noted that the continuing expansion of NATO, of the military infrastructure of NATO to the east, can only lead to retaliatory measure from the east, from the Russian side, in terms of guaranteeing the security and maintaining a parity of interests.”
Reuters goes on to point out that "NATO allies are [still] divided over what message to send to Georgia over its long-delayed membership bid" and at the two-day meeting, "ministers repeated their long-held position that Tbilisi must continue to prepare for membership, calling for Russia's military to withdraw from Georgia's breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia."
Here's some amusing commentary from Jan Oberg of the Transnational Foundation for Peace and Future Research, who spoke to RT:
RT: The NATO chief was asked whether they've taken Russia's concerns into account. This will be another eastward expansion for the Alliance, near Russia's borders. How worried should Moscow be?
Jan Oberg: Maybe not too much, but this is the wrong moment given the situation between NATO and Russia. The West needs Russia in Syria and elsewhere. Secondly this is provocative... I see it as a sign of weakness.
RT: And how do you expect Russia to respond?
JO: Well, there will be a diplomatic grumpy response to this, which is understandable given the other measures that NATO has taken in the wake of the Ukraine crisis. If NATO is an alliance of democracies – why not have a referendum? We have thousands of people demonstrating in Montenegro against this. It is done by means of lawmakers, but it is the same problem we have everywhere in the Western so-called democratic world – that the elite are doing things that people don’t want. It applies to Denmark and Sweden, it applies to the US, it applies to France, it applies to Montenegro. So let’s be democratic and get them into NATO if that is what the will of the people is.
Now, I don’t see any point in all these things, because they are all done without alternatives. Let the Montenegrin people get five models of how to secure their future and let them vote democratically. This either ‘yes’ or ‘no’ has nothing to do with democracy. I tell you – there is no problems in Montenegro that can be solved by NATO membership and participation in anti-terror or the war on terror and bring terror to Montenegro.
RT: It's been 16 years since Montenegro was bombed by NATO, and these memories are surely still fresh in the minds of some locals there. Why were the people denying a referendum on joining the Alliance?
JO: Because it is not a democratic leadership – everybody who has followed [Milo] Dukanovic over the years knows that this is not a democracy in a genuine sense of the word. We also know that it is a country with quite a lot to judge from, quite a lot of media report, ... economic corruption…
So if this is what NATO boosts itself within this crisis situation - it is an alliance on its way down.
NATO’s secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance would be willing to chat with Russia about the latest expansion.
Sergei Lavrov said only this: "Yes, we have something to talk about."
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Time for talk is over.....Russia needs to end the NWO.
Awesome. Maybe they'll call it the Minsk packt, or the Beijing packt, or something along those lines. I am sick of the faux Cold-War, lets get this thing back to the good ol' days in the early 60s when both MICs could get immeasurably larger without check.
>>>> VLAD
>>>> BATHHOUSE BARRY
Russia could stop this very easily.
During the arab/Isreali war, Isreal said if they were near defeat they would nuke european capitals. Stand by and let us go down and we'll take you with us. Europe immediately stopped dragging their heels and supplies went to Israel.
Vlad should announce publicly, if Russia is attacked Tel Aviv will be vaporized. Watch all the sabre rattling by Nato stop once and for all.
all the more reason to nuke israel before they nuke anyone else.
but so far as I know thats not true. dont forget that israel started the 67 war, the one in 73 was basically to get their land bakc - which the UN demanded, but israel ignored.
my undertanding is israel said theyd use th enukes they'd been given by the us and/or french if they werent massively supplied which the us did.
Right then it was obvious israel's creation as a sliver, and the 67 war it started to get more land, was only the beginning of zionist terror.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
why in the fuck should the people of europe pay for arabs gettign payback on jews anyway =- but that's the jewish mindset to a large extent, we count you dont...
I certainly think that if israel kills any russian troops or pilots putin will definitely respond.
let's compare stockpiles and land area and sub forces shall we?
WW3 already started... It is time for America to panic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0kpoRcLx3g
What kind of antisemitic crack pipe are you guys smoking? Israel threatens to nuke Europe My As s.
Read about the samson option:
Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
I have a big problem with the generalized anti-semitism on this site, as opposed to rational critiques of individual people who are Jewish or the policies of the Israeli government. I mean the race stuff is non-sense. Might as well say all people of European descent are genocidal psychopaths. I mean that is certainly true of a huge amount of the European elites over the centuries, it also is a ridiculous claim. That said, the Samson option is very real and the Israeli elites are right up there with the elites in the US, Saudi and Britain in terms of stark madness.
I was wondering myself what pact they'd name it.
On Cold War v2.0, hell, we avoided nuclear armageddon last time, so why not try again?
Russia is as much part of the NWO as the West.
Best comment of the day. Putin's Oligarchy simply wishes to be at the very top.
thats a naked assertion
define nwo
explain why the west is part of it
explain why russia is too.
"Russia is as much part of the NWO as the West."
Right. Because when the NWO tried to take Russia's Black Sea Fleet by taking Ukraine... Putin said, "Hey! No problem!"
And that is why you saw little green men in Crimea!
P.S. That is why OSEC is getting together today to condemn Russia's annexation of Crimea. AND RUSSIA IS ON THIS NWO PLOT AGAINST ITSELF!
Typical Boobus Americanus Doofus!
Russia is down pieces and their opponent is not thinking and is taking risks. Russia needs to do what it has always done. Be patient and let their opponent make stupid strategic and tactical mistakes.
We are now entering the 'end game'....unfortunately, the elite have reserved all the bunker places (that we paid for with our taxes) for themselves......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
just keep tweakin' the nukes vlad.
+1000 FreeShitter
Sadly thats what the Criminals in NATO want. ?? Uh paging china paging china, please pick up the white courtesy telephone.... Arent there lots of UST to dump? Someone probably knows more than i. Speaking of. Oddly quiet arent they? Maybe just dont want another port blown to the stratosphere for mis behavin huh?
"Port blown into the stratosphere" for misbehaving. Be seriious.
You know the old joke with the punchline of "How do you arrange a flood?"
Warehouse space shared with explosive materials is probably at a premium all across China after that event.
Yes, indeed, and I believe that the dumping of U.S. Treasuries by China might account for the sudden increase in U.S. debt in November.
Just the other day, Zero Hedge noted:
How was that additional $335 billion added to the total debt? Perhaps China has been busy selling U.S. Treasuries in bulk. And perhaps that is why the price of oil and other commodities has been furiously pushed down.
For if commodities were allowed to accrue in value at the same time that China was dumping U.S. Treasuries, there might be a significant problem for the U.S. Dollar and all the illegal wars that the Dollar is used to finance.
The USTs would not show up on USG balancesheet, they'd show up on the Fed's or a mysterious Belgium Corp's balance sheet. When USG buys bills back they decrease the debt (or remains the same if they are rolled).
The debt "jump" was all the off-books debt that the Government couldn't legally incur for the previous six months suddenly appearing on the books once it was "legal".
If a business did it, it would constitute fraud.
No one in Russia can vent his anger over NATO’s eastward expansion quite as vehemently as Viktor Baranez. The popular columnist with the tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda (“Komsomol Truth”), which has a readership of millions, is fond of railing against the “insidious and reckless” Western military alliance. Russia, Baranez writes, must finally stop treating NATO as a partner.
Baranez, a retired colonel who was the Defense Ministry’s spokesman under former Russian President Boris Yeltsin, asks why Russia should even consider joint maneuvers after being deceived by the West. NATO, he writes, “has pushed its way right up to our national borders with its guns.” He also argues that, in doing so, NATO has broken all the promises it made during the process of German reunification.
There is widespread agreement among all political parties in Moscow, from the Patriots of Russia to the Communists to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party, that the West broke its word and short-changed Russia when it was weak.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/natos-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break...
They won't end the NWO.
They just want their piece of the action, or we will have a bright, bright sun shiny day.
Followed by glow in the dark evenings and nuclear winter snow flurries.
Wow - encircle the bear and tighten - what could go wrong? Perhaps Mr. DiCaprio's experience is relevant.
more sabre rattling -- good for MIC business
Putin and the Russians are international bankers' dogs.
Period.
Russians = Americans = ISIS = NATO
If it weren't so,
why
would the moronic Russians
sell their oil
in DOLLARS?
Thereby feeding the enemy (America)?
Thence financing America's war against Russia?
Suicidal, stupid, hopeless?
YES.
Case closed.
There is no solution to our woes from any human element.
You're all full of shit.
I too have pointed out that Russia sells it's oil/gas in dollars still. Yet, others declare that Putin is attacking the dollar and is going to remove it as the single global reserve. If that is Putin's plan why does he use the dollar, why does Russia still not have an effective alternative to the SWIFT system?
Using the dollar at any point in the exchange of oil keeps the dollar in motion and keeps it alive.
The best one can hope is that Putin does this to maintain the highest short term profits for the Russian elite. But there is a very good case that Putin and his elite are members of the NWO and what we see is internal squabbles of the group for larger pieces of the pie.
two points:
1. I thought Putin told the oil ministry to sell in Rubles only...about 2 weeks ago. ....2. Isn't the Russian /chinese alternative to swift already up and running? Can someone strighten me out here?
Putin says a lot of things like he's going to punish the Turks, bla, bla.
He said they should not use the dollar so much. Putin did not say, Don't use the dollar or DON'T use the dollar as much, understand?
The Russian alternative to the SWIFT may exist but if the Russians themselves will not use it, what's the point?
It's all lies.
Who is buying the oil/gas? It's not a one sided transaction dude. The other side of the transaction is the sticking point. When Russia can find a trading partner willing to do trade in another currency it does. See the Russian / Chinese energy deals.
Europe won't pay in rubles, Russia can't sell in rubles. Pretty easy.
Russia doesn't need to sell valuable oil to finance their enemy - which is what it does when she accepts dollars for its oil.
So if every country on earth is in lockdown by the NWO why don't they just kill all the plebes with a virus and enshrine their world government? It's pretty clear the NWO does NOT own all governments, just the overwhelming majority in the West. Putin has done more than anyone to put the NWO in check. That doesn't make him a good guy, just someone looking out for their own interests that happens to co-incide with blocking the NWO from their powergrab(s). This is what Occam's Razor shows us. All this BS about how all governments on earth are run by the NWO is ridiculous. If that was true they would have killed off 6 billion and enshrined an eternal police state by now.
No, to my knowledge Putin did not say to sell in Rubles only. He has to some extent made agreements with some countries to sell outside of the dollar but it is still limited.
It is China that appears to trying to establish an alternative to SWIFT. Russia has been too backwards to make much progress but if they were determined they could further piggyback on China. The initial claims that Russia had developed an alternative turn out that Russia had only developed a system where the Russia banks, within Russia only, could communicate and make transfers without SWIFT. If was an eye opener to find out that until that time Russian banks could not do business (even among themselves) independently of SWIFT.
I am open to seeing documentation or references showing how much of Russia's oil and gas is currently being sold without using the dollar as a middle man. At this point it appear minimal.
China is the one with potential.
You are proof that there are some knowledgeable and reasonable people on zerohedge. Thanks for sharing.
Russia and China *have* been chipping away at the FRN RC status. Surely you must know that.
Do you think it can be done overnight - it seems like that's what you think.
And do you really not understand why both china and russia have kept accepting dollars?
I mean - mostly you just troll Putin with "why didn't he cure cancer if he says he wants to fight cancer" type arguments.
It's a troll flanking move. You can tell because you never take this enemy of the perfect good approach to ANYTHING else..
just sayin' man...
Look, it's very simple. That's why I'm calling Putin a liar and a traitor.
Just sell oil for Rubles. Or gold. or silver. Or better yet, platinum (which Russia is a major producer of).
What's to stop the Russians from doing that? Nothing. The Americans are not going to go to war with the Russians over some lame excuse like they did with Iraq or Libya.
Right away, you pull the rug out from under the American war machine financed by FRNs or dollars because dollars now buy less.
What's more desirable than winning a way without dying or having your country destroyed?
Plus, you hit several birds with one stone.
Since countries now need roubles to buy (some) of their oil, the Russian Central Bank (actually owned/controlled by the City of London/CRIMEX/Wall Street etc.) can set the rate at which it will sell roubles against dollars and euros. Think: higher, much higher. Which means Russians are now richer.
Similar situation with PMs with the added sweetener of crushing the western financial system which criminally manipulates the commodities markets.
Whether Russia takes gold for oil or USD for oil, the end result is the same. Russia exchanges all USD for gold. Someone else gets stuck with the USD, and Russia ends up with more of a commodity that is growing more scarce by the year.
Meanwhile, USA can't back off from their manipulation of the gold pricing system. If they let speculators discover gold's actual value, the Yuan and the Ruble will instantly overpower the USD.
NO, it is not the same. If Russia uses the dollar, even as the middle man, then that keeps the dollar in flow and keeps the dollar the global reserve. By using the dollar Putin gives economic and financial support to the US and those who profit from the dollars reserve status. He supports those who are bent upon the ultimate destruction of Russia. And he does so for profits today (for Putin and his elite).
What do you think would be the IMMEDIATE result of Russia instantly refusing the dollar? I think it's safe to say that would lead instantly to WWIII. It appears to me that Putin is attempting to AVERT WWIII. He is relying on entropy and tactical/strategic mistakes by the NWO along with a slow steady bleed out of gold from the West, trade pacts with China etc and an overall war of attrition strategy. This is exactly the kind of strategy that can defeat a super power that is guilty of MASSIVE imperial overreach. Putin is playing it smart. Your idea would be suicide.
Well, now that the Renminbi is accepted as a part of the SDR basket, why not at least demand payment in Renminbi? Take the Renminbi and load up on gold over at the Shanghai Gold Exchange.
Yes, why not. That would have the added benefit of strengthening economic and political ties with an important ally.
What, America is going to declare free markets an act of war?
On what basis?
that the Russians do not have the freedom to use their own currency the rouble instead of the currency of their sworn enemy, the dollar?
You're a fucking mind control agent for the goddamn' American and European bankers.
RIGHT!
Wrong.
It's a balancing act. There must be a transition time. Vlad doesn't want to ruin the whole world, just the west. This is why he's winning over the Yanks: patience.
By supporting the dollar, Putin is propping up the West indefinitely. The West having shown that it will NEVER give up, this is not a logical chess move on the Russians' part, as your irrational (American) enemy is guaranteed to kick the chess board when he thinks he's losing. The more you feed him, the farther and faster the chess board will fly, causing more damage in the end.
Cut your losses and multiply your winnings.
Putin spends dollars to buy gold etc. gradually.
If he were to dump all his dollars, THAT would be war.
He sees the big picture. Yanks can't see past their borders or their interests.
You're full of shit.
The Americans are killing millions of people and destroying the world, and you don't call that a war?
Winning a war by financial means is preferable to doing it the blood-soaked way.
The Americans will never give up anyway, unless they are made to do so.
Better do it now and cut your losses than doing it after you fought pointless proxy wars that cost a lot of blood and treasure.
Save the blood and the treasure.
Morons.
Chill man.
All I'm saying is that Vlad has more patience than you seem to have.
No I don't think Yanks vs. Russia is a declared war, yet. As for economic war, all countries are constantly at war with all other countries. It is called capitalism.
Vlad has info none of us have.
Dumping all US dollars would hurt Russia's allies as well. They need time to liquidate.
I'm not saying anything unreasonable.
Go get a massage.
Dump dollars = your currency goes up
Your dollar assets lose value = your non-dollar holdings go up in value
Dollar goes down = your dollar-denominated debt goes down in real terms
Don't you get it?
There is NO financial or economic reason not to eliminate the dollar and the scum that feed off it NOW.
On the contrary.
Therefore the Russians are gutless morons and Putin is a fucking mercenary working for Wall Street and the City of London.
Putin,
you can go suck Erdogan's cock now.
After that,
Attend to the pleasures of the man who does God's work.
From ... : "If he were to dump all his dollars, THAT would be war."
The Putin fan club and appologist really streach to maintain Putins image.
OK, is Putin so fearful or NATO, so spineless and weak - that Putin is afraid to use his countries currency and stop using the currency of the country that is bent on Russia's destruction?
Exactly!
I'm outta here...
When one fights an adversary in a burning house, both their chances of survival are less than 50%.
The Russians understand this basic principle, as do the Chinese, and neither will sacrifice themselves in order to simply beat the opponent.
Impatient Americans and immature teenagers do not, and just want to fight, no matter the cost.
America has only been a country for a couple of centuries. The US lacks the wisdom of more advanced and ancient societies that actually have a history, and a culture based upon it.
Like a teenager, American brashness is its demise.
Fear doesn't enter into it. Pragmatism is everything when the stakes are hundreds of millions of lives. All world leaders are, to some extent, despotic. Western leaders, especially American ones, tend to be irresponsible, too.
I'm no appologist [sic,] but I'm no hot-head, either.
You are not being confrontational, brash, impatient, childish, or suicidal by:
1)Not letting your adversary get stronger; 2)Not financing his aggression towards you; and by 3)not giving your valuable and real natural resources to him in exchange for his essentially worthless electronic digits which he can freeze or confiscate at any time he so chooses.
You ARE being stupid if you do so, especially if you're a millennium old chess player.
By the way,
Americans are not brash teenagers in the historical sense. America was founded by old European families belonging to old secret societies and religious sects. America is still their play thing.
This is getting repetitive.
Agree to disagree.
Best of luck.
You can think.
Yes, Putin is just another errand boy for the international ruling classes. (Call them NWO if you will, just the same old privileged and stupid sick bastards who think they are gods for having been born with a silver spoon in their asses.)
What profit is there for "the Russian elite" if Russia bleeds lives and treasury to defend itself and then loses anyway or suffers greatly? Any true Russian elite would think of their country and countrymen before the whores and the coke they'll share with the Saudis and the Americans on some posh location on the French Riviera.
Putin is a fucking traitor to the Russian people. Just like Obama is to the Americans. Or Holland to the French. Or the Saudi princes to the Muslim masses.
The so-called elite only want to cause the greatest amount of suffering possible in this world. That's all their actions result in for the rest of us.
Because the average person is as sick as the elite and the only difference between them is their bank accounts basically,
We are simply fucked.
Unless something we don't know about manifests itself.
"The so-called elite only want to cause the greatest amount of suffering possible in this world. "
Nope. They want to make money. Just like all the rest of the elite, and they don't care whether it is in Russia, UK, or anywhere else. They don't care who suffers.
They are apathetic. They care no more for Russian 'useless eaters/breathers' than other 'useless eaters/breathers'. They want to take as much money out of the system and war/oil/drugs is the best way.
Owl worshippers cremate 'Care'. It isn't just symbolic.
you got 4 greens so far with that inane comment? I guess that shows that the neocon trolls are arriving to claim the us is like totally awesome, putin is the newest new hitler, and the US has legitimate business in ukraine and syria not connected to attacking russia and iran and mowing the grass for greater israel's lebensraum oil and gas.
Those greens you got prove that zerohedge posters are stupid.
I didn't say that the Russians are bad and the Americans, good.
I said Putin and the Russians are as evil and as stupid as the Americans.
It is a disgrace that I have to breath the same air as something like you.
Russia sells oil for USD, then immediately exchanges the USD for gold. It makes sense if you think about it for like, 10 seconds.
And doing so supports the USD as the global reserve and is THE greatest strength of the country bent upon the destruction of Russia. Using the dollar keeps the USD in flow and in movement globally and prevents any decrease in USD's velocity.
However, if the Russia used Russia's currency then they would strengthen it and stabilize it.
It does not matter what Putin buys with it - bullets, ships, gold, land, women, vodka - using the dollar maintains the strength of Russia's enemy.
Exactly.
These people at zerohedge are stupid.
Using the dollar as an intermediate step doesn't empower or weaken the dollar. It just gives it liquidity. Russia isn't taking out loans or investing in the West by doing this. They're using the currency as an intermediate step to simplify the main transaction: turning oil into gold.
You're focusing way too much on the micro. Look at the macro. USD won't be around forever. Gold is cheap, low in supply, high in demand, and can be purchased with a dying currency.
As long as you continue to use USDs as a medium of exchange, there is no reason for it to weaken and disappear.
Dollar index above 100 and these idiots on the internet celebrating its rise as though it were the dollar's death throes...
By accepting dollars for oil, Russia supports the dollar-based western financial powers which in turn suppress the price of oil by selling naked short contracts against oil and other commodities that Russia produces. Platinum is much more rare than gold but sells for $240 below gold's price?
So get less dollars for your oil and platinum and gas and pay less for gold that the West is not interested in using as money nor repayment for anything as they are only interested in destroying Russia - not doing business with her.
Lose-lose proposition.
They sell in Dollars and pay for thier operational costs in local currency. They use the inflated in value Dollars to buy out Dollar debt and buy gold as the price of physical gold has been deliberately depressed to protect the Dollar. The russian strategy seems to be to reduce exposure to the dollar system.
Why repay debt owed to your mortal enemy and what good is gold if your enemy is not interested in getting paid in gold nor selling you anything - only interested in destroying you and taking your gold by force?
Nevermind that the majority of citizens (ethnic Serbs) in Montenegro are against joining NATO. The dictator Djukanovic has the backing of Empire and will do their bidding there.
A week before my father died he told me he thought I would die in WWIII. He was a, really, smart man and I never knew him to be wrong.
Er atthelake , where do you live if you dont mind me asking ?
Voltaire has much to say here:
Ukraine and Turkey create an international Muslim Brigadehttp://www.voltairenet.org/article188381.html
Members of Daesh have been moved from Syria to Ukrainehttp://www.voltairenet.org/article189162.html
Qatar and Ukraine come to deliver Pechora-2D to ISIShttp://www.voltairenet.org/article189366.html
The UkroNazis are bombarding Novorossia and bringing heavy artillery to the front contra Minsk 2 (I would say 'breach' bu the UkroNazis have never complied with it). US trooops are in Ukraine also contra Mink 2. They are blockading Crimea, disabling civilian services such as electricity supply. UkroNazis have been caught trying to smuggle arms into Russia. Now this, explicit support for ISIS. Russia has already invoked UN Article 51 to defend itself from ISIS. The Ukrops are painting a big bullseye on themselves.
More Bloomberg horse shit: "...the Kremlin’s decision to retake Crimea and promote the rebellion in eastern Ukraine"... LOL!!! Crimea had a VOTE to re-join Russia, and the ones that fomented the COUP were Obongo's POS tools Brennan and Nuland... both of whom should face war crimes then be executed.
Barrell Bombs!
wait, that's the other bad guy...
If God had just put little cement markers on the corners of all the countries, and given them all a name, the world would be a lot tidier.
Somebody would blow'em up reeel good.
No American wants war or conflict with Russia except some assholes in Washington. The United States and Russia are both better off as allies.
Seriously....why are we starting shit with Russia?
Because they hate our freedom... oh, no, wait...
I was thinking of something else.
Because they are 'indispensable and exceptional' like another people that thought they were 'uber alles'.
Because America wants to dominate and control the world economy.
let's get it on Vlad, how about a blockade of Istanbul for starters
Let's NOT get it on, Vlad.
There's no stopping Vlad!
why not? time to end this bastardized Zio farce called "NATO"
'defensive' ...except that we put 'defensive' missiles in those countries....other than that...don't see a problem.
The US IS being provocative.
Remember it's not the Department of War, it's the Department of Defense. Thanks Mr. Bernays.
Remember the end of MP's "Holy Grail" when the cops are rounding up all the soldiers and one cop, as he grabs a shield from one of the actors, says, "That’s an offensive weapon, tha’ is."?
NATO poosies are just trying to strut and demonstrate they are a force in world affairs - it's a face-saving attempt of outlandish proportions in stupidity ....
NATO is being hugely upstaged by Russia and they just felt they had to do something! What a bunch of dumb-ass politicians and boot-licking generals!
Okay "JCS"...
Show Russia what ya "Got"!
Imagine that, the whole Mayan calendar thing was off only by three years.
Obviously, someone forgot to carry a one somewhere, or forgot about leap year.
<sarc>???
Since the Mayan civilization disappeared about 700 years ago, I'd say the end of the world (for them) came a long time ago.
Quite true.
There is a more contemporary prophet to listen to: Carl Jung on his death bed in 1963 recounted one of his last dreams.
He said many areas of the earth would be destroyed in fifty years but that thankfully they will not destroy everything.
Nuland and the neocons strike again. Remind me, who voted for these guys?
A European friend said a good 2/3 of the Montenegro population are against becoming part of NATO ...this will be yet another flagrant middle finger to democracy.
I don't know a single person who wants war with russia or syria and I know a lot of people.
I suspect the average Russian doesn't particularly want to be in Syria either, or to get into a major war.
But the US and allies have been telegraphing their megalomania for a long time and the US is lousy with neocon {Zionist} chickenhawks.
Nuland, and McCain and Graham should be in the dock - not influencing the policy of the American Empire.
Now no one in the universe thinks russia will invade ukraine or poland let alone montenegro. This is just more of the same from nato whether our neotrolls actually don't understand that or not.
Do the Montenegran people want in?
Does it even matter?
Nuland, and McCain and Graham should be hanging - not influencing the policy of the American Empire.
Fixed it for ya...
There won't be a war. Russia has the US totally outclassed:
"Russia scrambles the controls of the aircraft carrier ’Ronald Reagan’ and the 7th fleet"
Really interesting to read stories like this, but there is zero backing for the story. How does Voltairenet know? Did they get word directly from U.S. military? From the Russians?
All the articles are footnoted and referenced. Click on the little red numbers, or the red links at the bottom of the page. The sources are solid.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80584
etc
<-- Montenegro, really?
<-- Monteblanco, maybe.
Montenegro is now officially in the North Atlantic? According to Obama's birth certificate I thought it was in the Pacific.
Djukovic is using NATO as a prop for his criminal regime, centered on a land grab by his corrupt family members.
Russia is upset about mighty Montenegro joining NATO? Seriously?
Maybe they can get the Solomon Islands to join their side to balance things out militarily.
They may have some legitimate beefs with the West, but this isn't one of them.
they may have?
Were you ever in the military in any capacity? Simply having another spot to put your shit is an advantage. I suspect the Russians are better at threat assessment than you - but please, do correct me if I'm wrong about that.
I wonder how well the US would take Russian ships and radar and missiles in greenland or belize...
Huh? Look at a map, Einstein. Its on the Adriatic Sea nestled btw/ OTHER NATO members.
For the geographically challenged: Albania, Croatia, Slovenia and Italy across the water.
Well, given that Greenland is administered by Denmark and Denmark is a NATO member....
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland
Oh, and then there is Thule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Air_Base
You obviously washed out in HS ROTC.
If the Russians regard Montenegrin bases in the Adriatic as a menace to them, then they are not very good at threat assessment at all.
Every nation has limited resources. Burning up Russian ones on this does not strike me as a wise use of theirs.
If the Russians already had bases in Mexico and Canada, I'm sure the formal adherence of Greenland and Belize would not matter much to the strategic or operational calculus very much.
My disagreement with you always boils down to the same thing:
I think all governments everywhere are equally responsible and equally participating in the catastrophe building up in front of us. You seem to think that one side wears black hats and one side wears white hats.
you dont get it - the message was sent some time ago - ZERO TOLERANCE - for any new advance by NATO
we are in the end game - Crimea / turkey shoot / denial by obama of erdogan family support of ISIS /
the eruption is iminent but Russia will not be alone
Russia needs to stop playing a conservative chess game ala Spassky and start playing like Bobbie Fischer did in his famous queen sacrifice
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1008361
Most likely Putin is doing an imitation of Stalin in the late 1930s when he went along with hitler, while building up his forces that he had decimated earlier. Now that the Russians have a modern military again, they can sit tight as they are protected now, and play varoius gambits to throw NATO off. Arming the houthis should be step one, to sink Saudi tankers and spike oil prices. Then play the Ukraine by arming rebels West of Novorussia to destroy tanks,bridges,..etc. Riussias goal must be to split NATO. Heck, they can even clear out Syria of the rebels and sneek them into Saudi Arabia to fight on the inside. Russia needs alliies but for that it must have it's own clear goals for domination. Clearly the theives in Turkey are drawn to NATO like bees are to honey. Russia needs to do something similar; draw in Houthis, dissaffected Saudis,..etc. They need to draw in Americans too. That would entail eliminating Saudi and Gulf oil using Houthis. Russia was successful in arming the NVA against America in Vienam, a war whcih nearly resulted in a mini revolution in the USA. They can arm their own set of jihadists too. against Western and Isreali interests; clearly Russia should form a defense pact with Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and Iraq; they will assist in the defense ownly with missiiles against any provocation.
The game theorists in Tel Aviv are playing game theory but with the twist of bluffing their own destruction, if that is what it takes, to get their way. The Russians are playing too rationally, thinking that their opponent is crazy because he is acting crazy, when he really isn't,. Just threaten to nuke Israel and the NATO gambit stops. GiveLebanon and Syria with a nuclear defense pact with Russia and this crazy stuff NATO is doing stops.
The NWO wsa responsible for 911 and for killing 3K Americans; our lives mean nothing to those who rule us. They will not be successful in the end as they are not supported by their population anymore. When TSHTF they will be unable to draft young men to fight.
3K in New York, 5K in Iraq, hundreds of thousands more indirectly, plus millions more.
Hear, hear...
I think its more a ZWO given the people who took the lead in fabricating evidence and promoting war propaganda - they were thinking of Israel, not non existent wmds but that nosological issue [if you will] aside...
I think you're right, and I think the more you look at that bird being shot down - its clearly not a threat, turkey and nato had the flight ite - had *left* turkish space, was shot down in syria by f16s that were scrambled to intercept before the russian plane was in the turkish "buffer" zone even... looks like US AWACS played assist...
pilots in parachutes were shot at, rescue shot down with us missiles.
notwithstanding the fucking idiot neocon/zionist trolls who always seem to pop up the most on these stories [and not just here]
You can add germany saying its not going to inform russia of its flight plans, which is basically saying 'we want to play rusian roulette' pun intended with world war 3.
Russia is present at the invitation of the legal government. Syria doesnt threaten the us or nato or any nato state.
this is all a deliberate lie and lacks any legal warranty, just like Libya, and just like iran will be.
If I'm Putin, dealing with cia ngo ops us/israeli/saudi supported terror cells, kiev's persisten breaking of ceasfires and targeting of civilians in a way meant to provoke... I'm begging for chinese help.
But I also see the ZWO endgame - the breakup and partition and rape of a russia that will be flooded with 3rd world immigrants as Europe gets its gas and maybe some oil from Israel and the surrounding countries are Oded Yinon planned.
So - okay, take me, I've got a pretty substantial martial arts background [not that I'd try to be a ufc fighter, mind you] and you have the situation where you can just feel it sliding out of your capacity to control, even just rolling/sparring.
So you switch style or at least tactic - now, I have to hurt you.
I mean now - the US and allies have kept pushing and pushing and the us media is less and less effective at selling the neocon propaganda - and people in europe don't buy it. The media picture is quite deceptive.
But Putin may favor hitting the saudis, to wrap this up.... then again, next incident may well mean cruise missiles into ankara, and go fuck yourselves nato... next one is nucleaer.
the us, uk and israel have absolutely pushed the world to the bring with lots of help from their saudi and turkish friends.
its got to stop.
Not sure hitting Saud would wrap anything up, perhaps unravel further... but yeah.
It will stop, one way or another.
Its quite evident that madmen are pushing the world into WW3 by continually attacking Russia on various fronts.
Up to this moment VV Putin is playing diplomatic chess with a band of psychopaths, thieves and demented chosenites.
His patience must be wearing thin, and I would bet that he's more and more tempted to take horrendous casualties just to permanently cut serpents head off, meaning a disarming first strike.
100-300 Mt on each of main chosenite nests plus comparable loads into MIC targets, ports and missile fields.
Of course, US response will devastate Russia, re-entry vehicles being impossible to intercept.
If the land forces were dispersed and all the important aviation airborne, it would even leave him in position of strenght for the after-war negotiations.
This was modeled in the seventies and eighties and it would appear that if China didnt participate, the nuclear winter would be relatively short.
Hundreds of millions , perhaps billions would die from initial attack then sickness , radiation effects and hunger.
Under Brejnev it would' ve happened already.
Yawn. NATO has been expanding since "The Wall" came down. SFW! Uncle Vladdy finds himself in the unenviable position of having
to, in the words of George S Patton, pay for his real estate twice. NATO has co-opted former Warsaw Pact states (most of them in fact in
one incarnation or the other) as well as former USSR repubs (the three Baltic states come to mind); additionally, NATO has "infiltrated"
Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan and one or two of the "Stans". To be sure, Russia's 'far abroad' "allies", Cuba, Syria and Vietnam, have also been
placed in play by the West (or, in the case of Vietnam, by China). Syria may end up in fragments, which will clearly NOT be a win for Uncle
Vladdy.
"Come on 'Dillos! Let's get it on!"
Context, Vlad me lad.
This is right after a deliberate shootdown meant as provocation.
And by the way, just cuz its a story here doesnt mean Ivan is losing sleep on this but its more the timing and the fact it is a needless expansion simply meant to add a bit more logistical flex to nato - which is also trying to justify its existence as a kind of anglo-zio sui juris.
The Kerry said NATO is not a threat lol
Russia needs to play extra nice and cozy up to Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela and insist these moves can't be seen as threatening.
It won't show up as a line-item expense anywhere, but Dukanovic is getting some big bucks.
Plunging oil prices + ClimateGate Hoax will cause lots of mayhem.
Montenegro just wants to be part of the NATO JV Team
Get them to sign on the line that is dotted...
Montenegro is controlled by the Russian mafia anyway.
NATO is one big circle jerk.
The agenda rolls on......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/road-to-ww3-time-to...
Can't see it?
All of sudden debt increase? Is to finance economic war with BRICS. If you read ZH? You'll understand concerted effort to destroys BRICS.
A sudden drops on BRICS FX value. Funds being pulled in massive amount from this BRICS regions, to creates image of BRICS falling apart. Commodity price falling bottomless.
If you compares, GDP of world number falling not that much. So, that's mean the world still producing somethinmg. For raw material to fall that much, is beyond logic. As if suddendly nearly 80% of world factories suddend
Ly stops productions. W
hile world GDP numbers falls just <10%. Something just don't add up. Something must be concerted for future price to drop that low. And what export BRICS countries famous for? Raw materials.
Understand US+EU+JA executing wolvowitz plans? To prevent BRICS raises to a new economic polar? That is what the last G7 meeting is all about, Concerted efforts.
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In Brazil it works like a charm. Brazil makes the same mistrakes as my country dis back in 1998. Rellying on this DM funds to boost GDP growth. Baaaddd decisions. When you depends on foreign money? You're at their mercy.
In China it doesn't work. You read in RT, that even in the worst china condition? New business created everyday, >4000 companies!! This is the HIGHEST number in the world!! Beating even 2nd place UK by a wide margins. If you think this is a bogus number? Then you'll know, this is a research by western business research agency. It is not done by china entity.
Next,China arrest multiple investment china firms? Cause they crack down on chima participant that knowingly/ unknowingly, coluded with US/EU/JA govt. That th REAL reasons for those arrests. (You should already reach this conclusion, if you read ZH daily. That's why i always smile reading "doomsday" predictions from western investments/banks predictions.)
China already become too big industry to fail. And if you noticed it (RT reach the same conclusion with me) China have been refocusing from export oriented economy to a consumer based one.
It already succesfully refocused from communism socialist economy, to a capitalist industries. Anybody doubting china ability to refocus again their economy, doesn't understand China determination (they know they have too. Otherwise they will collapsed under their own massive industries weight. When you given now choice? You are most likely to succeed. Human are made this way).
As to Russia? It is backfire spectacularly, that i laugh so hard to these US/EU/JA bunch of idiots.
The sanction made Russia MORE DETERMINED to be self sufficient. Milk/Egg/Chicken/Grains productions increased, some sector (milk, egg) imcrease 40% just in ayear of sanctions (which suprised even western msm economic media). Nearly all of the military imported parts now over 95% already either subtituted from domestic, with some chips came from china. Even antonov parts are replaced with domestic one (antonov designs bureau actua
Lly located in Russia. Before it's given to UA. Do you really think Russia can't make a design bureau bigger than UA?)
If you read carefully? Russia under sanctions? Still able to BUILT & RESEARCHS, 3 ICBM (sarmat, rubezh, bulava), built and improved at least 3 types of submarines (severodinks, improve kilo, and new amur class), 4 new/improved fighter/bomber (Su-35, Pak-FA, Su-34, Su-35, Tu-160 modernizing & restarting productions, and designed finishing and start building next gen bomber PAK-DA for next year testing), creates new autonomous subs KANYON. These just to name a few.
Russia FX reserves now back to pre sanctions levels. And RU CB still wants to increase it to 1/4th of rusaian GDP. And it gives loans to Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, Argentine, Brazil. Something that you don't do if your country in "dire" economic crisis.
And know, this BRICS nations have their own IMF bank (which jist gives 1st loan in YUAN!), SWIFT replacement, CC processing replacements, even they are know moves to replace their own trades in their own currencies. Avoiding currencies from US/EU/JA.
If you looking for affirmations of this new polar? Look no further than Israel. Jews are famous for business prowess, and can look much further ahead than the rest. And latest israel moves is... try to joins CIS trades block, desperately. Israel wants to joins this block from next year!! That's how desperates israel is.
So, those NATO latest montenegro stunt? Actually DOESN'T BOTHER Russia a bit. It already have base in Venezuela! And it just a matter of time before Russia gets its naval base there. Right know it's still a big port of call (with some small repair shop). And Russia is in talk to makes base in Nicaragua & Brazil (brasil more important cUse that BRICS).
The one that's in "panic mode" are actually US&NATO. Not Russia.
Wait a little longer. You'll hear, that massive bases China built on spratly? Will someday becomes JOINT BASES for China & Russia military forces.
Still can't see it through, eh dude??
(All of my statement above? Can be searched on the internet. You'll find the news from there. I know it first cuse i search it).
Former NATO Commander Wesley Clark: ‘ISIS Serves the Interests of Turkey and Saudi Arabia’
http://thenewsdoctors.com/former-nato-commander-wesley-clark-isis-serves-the-interests-of-turkey-and-saudi-arabia/
Western policy now :
In order to make omlette (money)
we need to break the egg(Russia)
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As they did with the help of their chummy Yeltsin