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US Is "In Cahoots With ISIS," Iraqis Swear: "It Is Not In Doubt"

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On Tuesday evening, we took a look at how Iran’s Shiite proxy arms fighting ISIS in Iraq responded to Ash Carter’s contention that the US would soon send an “expeditionary targeting force” to assist Iraqi and Kurdish Peshmerga forces in the battle against Islamic State.

From Kata'ib Hezbollah: "We will chase and fight any American force deployed in Iraq. Any such American force will become a primary target for our group. We fought them before and we are ready to resume fighting."

From the Badr Organisation: "All Iraqis look to (the Americans) as occupiers who are not trustworthy."

And as for the official reaction from Baghdad, we go to PM Haider al-Abadi: “Iraq does not need foreign ground combat forces on Iraqi land."

(Abadi)

So basically, “thanks, but we’ve seen enough of your ground troops over the past 15 years and if they come here again, they’re likely to get shot at, and not just by ISIS.”

This is a conundrum for Washington. The US-trained and armed Iraqi regulars fight alongside, and in some cases report directly to, the Shiite militias and these militias are far more effective at fighting ISIS than government forces. In some battles, there are more militiamen fighting than Iraqi soldiers.

Additionally, Iran wields considerable political influence in Baghdad and as we said on Tuesday evening, the comments out of Kata'ib Hezbollah, Badr, and Abadi might as well have been issued directly from Tehran because that’s unquestionably who’s pulling the strings here. 9,500 US troops in Afghanistan is bad enough and the IRGC isn’t thrilled about the prospect of America building up a troop presence in another neighboring country. 

Obviously it says a lot about the army that the US left behind in Iraq that they have to rely on Iranian proxies to fight for them, and that would be embarrassing enough as it is without the militias’ leaders habit of calling out Washington for not taking the fight against ISIS seriously. 

“U.S. airstrikes targeting ISIS around Ramadi are proving not very effective," the head of the Iran-backed militias surrounding the conquered Iraqi city told NBC back in June. "We expect more from the Americans. There are no real airstrikes against ISIS headquarters." 

That’s but one of many examples. In short, Iraqis are asking the same question everyone who isn’t wedded to the Western narrative is asking. Namely, “how is it that the most powerful army on the face of the planet just can’t seem to put a dent in the conquest plans of a group whose fighters only number 30,000?” Iran is using its influence in Iraq to make sure that this question is being raised not only among civilians, but among politicians in Baghdad as well. 

Now, The Washington Post has taken a look at what, to the American public, probably seems like a peculiar phenomenon: Iraq is pretty sure the US is “in cahoots” with ISIS. 

“Iraqi fighters say they have all seen the videos purportedly showing U.S. helicopters airdropping weapons to the militants, and many claim they have friends and relatives who have witnessed similar instances of collusion,” WaPo reports, adding that “ordinary people also have seen the videos, heard the stories and reached the same conclusion — one that might seem absurd to Americans but is widely believed among Iraqis — that the United States is supporting the Islamic State for a variety of pernicious reasons that have to do with asserting U.S. control over Iraq, the wider Middle East and, perhaps, its oil.”

Sure, that conclusion “may seem absurd to Americans” now, but more people are beginning to ask questions. Take Hawaii congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard for example. 

Recall that last month Shiite fighters backed by the Iraqi army retook the Baiji refinery near Siniya (we profiled the fight here). Here’s what Mustafa Saadi, a Shiite commander involved in that particular effort has to say about America’s relationship with ISIS: “It is not in doubt. ISIS is almost finished. They are weak. If only America would stop supporting them, we could defeat them in days.”

(militiamen and Iraqi regulars secure Baiji)

Yes, “if only the US would stop supporting them” they’d be finished “in days,” which is what we, and countless others have been saying for the better part of a year. Saadi also said a friend of his witnessed the US airdropping bottled water to an ISIS position. Here's a now infamous video that surfaced after the assault on Baiji which purports to show US parachutes and other items delivered to ISIS inside the refinery (obviously, there's no way to authenticate this and it's just presented here to give readers an idea of how rampant the speculation is):

As for The Pentagon, Col. Steve Warren, the military’s Baghdad-based spokesman says the idea that the US is supporting ISIS is “beyond ridiculous.” “There’s clearly no one in the West who buys it,” he added.

Actually Steve, there are a lot of people in the West that “buy it,” and that number is growing with each passing Putin accusation and with every bit of incremental evidence that incriminates US ally Turkey in participating in the lucrative ISIS oil trade.

So who’s to blame for this vicious "propaganda"? Well, Iran of course.

The allegations of U.S. collusion with the Islamic State are aired regularly in parliament by Shiite politicians and promoted in postings on social media. They are persistent enough to suggest a deliberate campaign on the part of Iran’s allies in Iraq to erode American influence, U.S. officials say.

 

In one typical recent video that appeared on the Facebook page of a Shiite militia, a lawmaker with the country’s biggest militia group, the Badr Organization, waves apparently new U.S military MREs (meals ready to eat) — one of them chicken and dumplings — allegedly found at a recently captured Islamic State base in Baiji, offering proof, he said, of U.S. support.

 

“The Iranians and the Iranian-backed Shiite militias are really pushing this line of propaganda, that the United States is supporting ISIL,” Warren said. “It’s part of the Iranian propaganda machine.”

Of course you really can’t call it “propaganda” if it’s true. 

As WaPo goes on to note, Abadi has to be careful when it comes to denying the accusations as a handful of Shiite militia commanders are set to use their reputation on the battlefield as a kind of political trampoline. In short, if Abadi doesn’t toe the line, he could find himself out of a job. 

Meanwhile, Naseer Nouri, a spokesman for the Ministry of Defense blamed the perception of US-ISIS collusion on America’s sluggish response to requests for help. “We don’t believe the Americans support Daesh, but it is true that most people are saying they do, and they are right to believe that the Americans should be doing much more than they are. It’s because America is so slow that most people believe they are supporting Daesh.”

If it walks like a duck Mr. Nouri...

Make no mistake, none of this is going to keep The Pentagon from putting SpecOps on the ground. As we said last night, Washington probably wasn't looking for permission in the first place despite Carter's lip service to Baghdad on Tuesday. The US will likely embed the Spec Ops with the Peshmerga via the KRG in Erbil. “Iraq’s semiautonomous region of Kurdistan, where support for the United States remains strong, has said it would welcome more troops,” WaPo notes.

We’ll close with the following quote from Mustafa Alani, director of the Dubai-based Gulf Research Center, who explains in very plain language why more and more people believe the US just may be in bed with ISIS. 

“The reason is that the Americans aren’t doing the job people expect them to do. Mosul was lost and the Americans did nothing. Syria was lost and the Americans did nothing. Paris is attacked and the Americans aren’t doing much. So people believe this is a deliberate policy. They can’t believe the American leadership fails to understand the developments in the region, and so the only other explanation is that this is part of a conspiracy.”

 

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Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:48 | 6864896 Wow72
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What a great reputation our leaders are branding us with.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:50 | 6864899 AlaricBalth
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Our Indonesian Sunni educated President doesn't want to attack his brothers.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:51 | 6864902 VinceFostersGhost
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At least warn them first.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:56 | 6864916 clooney_art
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Tell us something new.

It is all part of the great global de-stabilization plan to distract the sheep.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:56 | 6864923 Latina Lover
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Our CIA filth are hard at work destroying another nation on behalf of the Wall Street and City of London Banksters.

Ooops, I guess this isn't something new.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:05 | 6864947 SoilMyselfRotten
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Yes Clooney, it's part of Operation 'IfYouCantOwnTheWorldBlowTheMotherfuckerUp' and it's right on schedule

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:11 | 6864965 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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As for The Pentagon, Col. Steve Warren, the military’s Baghdad-based spokesman says the idea that the US is supporting ISIS is “beyond ridiculous.” “There’s clearly no one in the West who buys it,” he added.

Haha... just about spit the ooffee with that. Now that's a fucking lie we can all be sure of, isn't it? I'd go far enough to call it propaganda. He knows damn well there are people in 'murica questioning the whole damn thing or he wouldn't be saying this.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:23 | 6865017 toady
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The Iraqi army actually says/thinks it can defeat someone? 

It is to laugh!

Aren't they the guys that ran away and let isis get all those tanks and weapons,  all without a shot being fired?

That does sound a little suspicious, doesn't it?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:41 | 6865097 MalteseFalcon
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The Iraqi government has been clear that they do not want US boots on the ground in Iraq. 

How will it be reported when the Iraqi army and aligned forces attack Americans embedded with ISIS in Iraq? 

How about if the Iraqi forces are backed by Russian air power?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:23 | 6865129 VinceFostersGhost
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So I guess we're all probably on the "no fly" list now.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:14 | 6865505 giovanni_f
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So Warren, a fuckin' yankee, thinks he speaks for the whole "west"? Did he ask 750 Million people before he made his statement?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:31 | 6865591 WTFRLY
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ISIS is a CIA-Mossad lie

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:32 | 6865596 WTFRLY
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Joo World Order

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 12:06 | 6865751 The9thDoctor
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America has zero interest in "winning" wars. America creates never-ending deliberately unwinnable wars so it has non-stop defense contracts.

It's all good, because that creates jawbs!

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 12:18 | 6865806 Anonymous User
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Well, we know they are in bed with eachother.

We just didn't knew what game they were playing .. until now. Looks like ISIS is a tough biatch.

http://goo.gl/7tHnDu

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:01 | 6865167 MrBoompi
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It doesn't matter what Americans think.  What Israel, their dual citizenship agents in the US government, and the fucking neocons want is the only thing that matters.  In my opinion it is obvious the US is lying through its teeth about ISIS.  It seems the rest of the world is coming to this conclusion.  And the US will not take kindly to this embarrassment.  But a bully will continue to act like a bully until the shit is beat out of him.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:48 | 6865375 MrPalladium
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"It doesn't matter what Americans think.  What Israel, their dual citizenship agents in the US government, and the fucking neocons want is the only thing that matters."

+1000!!!! That is all that need be said about the matter.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:16 | 6865513 ZD1
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Obama, Kerry and the rest of the Obama administration are all Israeli dual citizens?

Who woulda thunk?

 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:17 | 6865523 giovanni_f
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So, you evil traitors on ZH, you really think US military is a mob working for the "fiat brothership of Wallstreetstan?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:28 | 6865574 Lorca's Novena
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Not sure if serious, or trollin.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:33 | 6865599 WTFRLY
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That's the best trolling

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:05 | 6864949 xyzcracker
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While at the same time destroying our own country. Mission going as planned.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:22 | 6865013 Everybodys All ...
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That is clearly a big part of the overall plan when you think of th global governance that is at hand.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:36 | 6865071 HowdyDoody
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Russian military briefing reveals details of ISIS-Turkey oil smuggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMA4B2ZnQ2o

 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:41 | 6865094 Francis Marx
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Nothing new is right LL. They have already been making war on american people. Of course they are going to destroy other nations.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:30 | 6865288 swmnguy
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Yes indeed, Clooney.  Read Zbigniew Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard," if you have a strong stomach.  It's all laid out in a little over 100 pages.

Short version.  The bedrock assumption is that the US either has to be the primary global Empire, or be utterly destroyed.  It's a leap, but once you make it the rest makes sense.  To be a global Empire, one must control Eurasia.  The US doesn't have the men, materiel or will to just invade and conquer.  So the dominance has to be somewhat indirect.  First, all rivals to control of Eurasia must be weakened, fractured into smaller parts along various societal faultlines (religion, race, ethnicity, tribal allegiance; whatever).  The main rivals are Russia, China, and the E.U.  Energy supply is a key strategic tool.  Once the societies of Eurasia are broken up into small, bickering fiefdoms, the US can keep them at each other's throats easily enough for an indefinite period.  In that environment, the US will be the only power on Earth that can project force anywhere at any time.  That makes the US the de facto Global Empire.  That's Brzezinski's goal.

To this point, Brzezinski's moment of glory was suckering the USSR into invading Afghanistan during the Carter Administration.  To do so, the US facilitated a guy named Osama bin Laden, a younger son from a US-friendly family of Saudi profiteers.  Keep an eye on that  bin Laden guy.  He comes back later.

Now Brzezinski is looking to crown his career arc, as he finally gets too old to have an active role.  His proteges and acolytes are everywhere in the US Department of  State.  Read the bio's of each new flak, "Assistant Secretary of State for [whatever]".  They're all connected, to Brzezinski, or Wolfowitz, or Kissinger, or each other.  They come from a limited number of colleges and grad schools, where each of these "Gray Eminences" are on the payroll in one way or another.  Brzezinski himself is from Galicia, which is that area of western Ukraine, southern Poland, northern Hungary; maybe the land that has seen the most brutal violence in human experience.  Galician volunteers to Hitler's SS actually freaked out the German Nazi SS by their viciousness.  And oh boy, do they hate Russians and want to kill them, or get somebody else to kill them.

So absolutely.  The plan is to atomize the societies on the perimeter of Russia, China, and the E.U.; on top of strategic deposits of resources (primarily energy), and along pipeline and trade routes existing and potential.  Once the rivals (Russia, China and the E.U.) have been suckered into getting involved in the dumpster fires along their periphery, then the pressure shifts to leveraging the internal weaknesses of the rivals.  Note the disagreeements within the E.U. as to how to deal with the Syrian diaspora.  E.U. nations are starting to undo the measures which were put in place to unify them.  This of course weakens the E.U. and sets member-state against member-state, according to plan.  Russia per plan has been drawn in; look for outbreaks of curiously well-funded and well-armed Sunni extremist violence in the "-stan" countries.  China has been engaged in the South China Sea, but that's obviously media play-acting.  I'm guessing it has taken a while to get the Uighurs lined up to play the terrorist patsy role, but at some point that will happen, or will appear to have happened.

Naturally, the US government won't let a crisis go to waste.  All this chaos will of course have to be met with clampdowns at home, for the sake of "Security."  If I'm ever caught in bed with a live boy, dead girl, and several goats, I'll say I did it all for "Security!" and no jury in the world will say a thing or I'll call them Libtard Muslim Lovers.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 12:16 | 6865795 The9thDoctor
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swnguy's comment is spot on.

America's foreign policy will make absolutely no sense at all to the average CNN, Faux News, MSNBC watcher, or the average New York Times reader.

Brzezinski's books are a must read. If anyone hasn't read Brzezinski or Kissinger, then they are totally wasting their time, because they are the chief architects of this "new world order" that is rapidly falling apart.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:55 | 6864920 TeamDepends
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"We're getting in bed with Satan"- What was really meant by "Change You Can Believe In".

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:04 | 6864943 krispkritter
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And the FSA(ours) bought it hook, line, and free cell phone...

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:52 | 6865138 alfred b.
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      .....but we ARE Satan!!!

 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:21 | 6865253 o r c k
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Yes We Can't

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:57 | 6864925 Neil Patrick Harris
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Who are the idiots fighting for the US in the first place? What kind of dumbass is signing up to fight to the deep state to maintain dollar denominated oil markets? Blame the troops!

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:06 | 6864939 Cognitive Dissonance
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Those 'idiots' aren't fighting for the US in the same way the US 'patriots' weren't fighting for France just because France was supply 'aid' to the US revolutionaries during 'our' fight for Independence. Anyone who wants change and is willing to fight for it is often willing to take arms from anyone who wishes to supply them.

This has held true for hundreds of years.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:07 | 6864956 williambanzai7
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JIHAD JONES

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:19 | 6864994 Cognitive Dissonance
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Politics and war make for strange bedfellows. Especially when the US is the global war whore.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 16:20 | 6867238 Wow72
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Im laughing like hell, but its not funny...

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:53 | 6864913 supersajin
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Puppets don't pull strings...he is just "doing his job"

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:38 | 6865080 Vuke
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To be fair Alaric I don't think he has a clue about what is happening.  Think of shadow governments devising strategies and his handlers "informing" him.  He was elected as a puppet for the back room boys, probably knows that full well and is trying to make the best of it with that awful wife.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:00 | 6865442 cyberfossil
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I understand your emotion but don't paint it with one brush.  First of all, Indonesian Muslims mostly are moderate.  I am a USA citizen living in Indonesia for years and they are very kind and friendly.  Don't buy the B.S. because ISIS is created by USA and Israel for a reason, obviously, which is why we have never properly addressed it and now Russia is making us look bad by showing how it is supposed to be done.  Obama is CIA connected--end of story--which is why he has SS# from Connecticut where he never lived and traveled to Pakistan after university when no one was allowed to travel there without State Department passports.  Read his biography which was "mysteriously" published when he was still in his 30s being groomed to be the "alternative" to Bush.  It is all a setup  Wake up--nothing happens by accident and NWO will prevail by political and military might, barring these new outcomes such as ISIS being admitted/discovered as  a plot to balkanize the Middle East and as a terrorist force to blame for surpressing freedoms because people "need" their government in the West. 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:47 | 6865654 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Our Indonesian Sunni educated President doesn't want to attack his brothers."

That's because the 'House-N...' is tap-dancing to the Oded Yinon tune.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:58 | 6864926 opport.knocks
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News flash, that ship sailed in the early 1960s.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:22 | 6865011 Professor Fate
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What leaders? You can't be speaking of the cockroach infested Congress.  And certainly aren't referring to "Choom", our strategically paralyzed mental midget in the White House.

Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max' 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:23 | 6865016 doctor10
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ya know its only a matter of time before the rest of the world concludes that a couple of well-placed nukes in certain parts of the western hemisphere are gonna solve a whole mess of the world's problems.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:51 | 6864903 j0nx
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haha and don't forget these are the same psychos that are doing whatever they can to take away the right of americans to own guns while they arm terrorists not even on the down low anymore with our money I might add. hahahahhaha good luck with that pyschos hahahaha. 185,000 more of them to collect after this past black friday.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:05 | 6864918 VinceFostersGhost
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psychos that are doing whatever they can to take away the right of americans to own guns

 

That whole Constitution thingy.....is starting to be a real bitch.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:07 | 6864961 xyzcracker
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Nice to know we won't need it until they try to take it. Worth hanging around for.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:26 | 6865026 jakesdad
Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:54 | 6864912 Mike Masr
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https://www.rt.com/news/324252-russian-military-news-briefing/

US pal and NATO ally Turkey

  • 12:26 GMT

    2,000 fighters, 250 vehicles and over 120 tons of ammo have been sent in the past weeks from Turkey to terrorists in Syria, fuelling the violence in the country.

  • 12:31 GMT

    Russia cannot comprehend that such a large-scale business as oil smuggling could not have been noticed by the Turkish authorities. Russia concludes that the Turkish leadership is directly involved in the smuggling.

  • 12:35 GMT

    Russia doesn’t expect Turkish President Erdogan to resign in the face of the new evidence, even though he had promised to do so. His resignation is not Russia’s goal and is a matter for the Turkish people.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:53 | 6864914 ToSoft4Truth
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Torture them “whistle blowers” (cute term for traitors to AMERICA!) Iraqi’s, they didn’t learn last time.   

Asked whether the ends justify the means when it comes to brutal interrogations, Cheney said, "absolutely.”

Bust some heads wide open. 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:56 | 6864915 JustObserving
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They are weak. If only America would stop supporting them, we could defeat them in days.


As if there is any doubt that US founded and funded ISIS:

ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html

USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIS

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...

The US arming of ISIS

While claiming to be committed to a war against ISIS, Washington and its regional allies have time and again proven themselves to be its principal sources of strength.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/06/03/pers-j03.html

Poll shows 81 percent of Syrians believe US created ISIS

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-19/81-syrians-believe-us-blame-isi...

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/09/18/isis-s18.html

Obama's fake war against ISIS:

1 yr, 6,700 airstrikes & $4bn after Obama vowed to ‘destroy’ ISIS, jihadists still on offensive

http://investmentwatchblog.com/1yr-6700-airstrikes-4bn-after-obama-vowed...

Putin Outed ISIS’s G20 Financiers: But Not a Single Western Media Outlet Has Reported It

http://www.4thmedia.org/2015/11/putin-outed-isiss-g20-financiers-but-not...

America Created Al-Qaeda and the ISIS Terror Group

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terro...

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:54 | 6864917 divedivedive
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Perhaps Russia needs to form its own NATO-like group - with countries like IRAN/IRAQ/CHINA/SYRIA/... - which has a charter similar to that of NATO - attack one of us, attack us all.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:17 | 6864989 Urban Redneck
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CSTO... SCO...

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:36 | 6865068 Sages wife
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I liked the name "Shanghai Five".

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:11 | 6865221 Chairman
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???????????

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:26 | 6865280 VinceFostersGhost
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Forget it.....he's rolling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:55 | 6864921 insanelysane
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All you need to know is the the French bombed ISIS HQ after the Paris attacks.

The US had been bombing ISIS for months but had not bombed ISIS HQ.  ???

The Russians had been bombing ISIS for weeks but had not bombed ISIS HQ. ???

Is the command and control center the first thing you target in "war" or is that just in wars that you want to win?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:13 | 6864974 Johnny Horscaulk
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How do you know they didnt just bomb a hospital?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:26 | 6865027 css1971
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1. The "ISIS HQ" is not in russian controlled area, they would be shot down by the US/Iraqis. And they're more providing close air support for the syrian troops.

2. What makes you think the "ISIS HQ" is in fact the ISIS HQ. Because they said so on TV? The US has clearly been bombing sand for a year. Why would that change for the French? They are now also bombing sand.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:56 | 6864924 overmedicatedun...
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thank a spec op or cia agent for your freedom. NSA approves this message.

anyone down voting this is subject to a swat team early morning visit (er breakin)

 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:59 | 6864931 krispkritter
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Is there a GoFundMe campaign to have Washington, UN/NATO, and (insert 'pyscho central' city here) nuked? I mean it wouldn't completely fix the problem but it sure would slow these pychopaths down for awhile...rethinking that Mars voyage thing.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:29 | 6865039 Everybodys All ...
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There are some very credible world leading thinkers who believe the plan all along is to make America look bad and at the same time vulnerable to such an outcome. Supporting Isis certainly does that. After the attack on a major city the nwo will usher in the one world government.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 08:59 | 6864932 Johnny Horscaulk
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It is by this point well settled that isis has enjoyed support from the us government. The turks saudis and strangely ignored Israelis have also done so.

A more interesting question is: why no sanctions (the us sanctioned syria for purportedly buying isis oil, sanctions from a government that has been aiding isis and bombibg syrian government owned and held refineries).

And - why no arrests?

And - why to date such absence of media coverage across out not-russian-so-not-propaganda major news media?

Why isnt the fbi arresting mccain, in accordance with us law, for aiding and assisting al qaeda?

And why cant we just get the fuck out of all these countries unless and until they thrreaten us?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:19 | 6864998 turnoffthewater
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Johnny Horscaulk,

Your questions contain too much logic. Follow the money and actions speak louder than words but understand your frustration

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:00 | 6864933 semperfi
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Iraq, you've almost figured out who your real enemy is.  Maybe one day you will, and maybe so will the rest of the world. But given the human condition, that the human species is the dummmest on the planet, its not a sure thing.  Good luck

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:04 | 6864941 overmedicatedun...
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in nam we killed the officers, just not enough evidently. still have hope the secret service (SS) has an agent drop a gun and shoot that muslim terrorist at 1600 pa ave in the head..one can dream.

drone this.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:04 | 6864942 SoDamnMad
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Now what happens if a USSA special ops gets captured by pro-Syrian forces in Iraq where he is not wanted. Does he get executed Turkish style.  Does he get water-boarded Cheney style.  Does he go to a Guantanamo somewhere without charge for 10 years.  Oh my.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:04 | 6864944 WTFUD
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It's really focking weird that the success of Daesh, those pesky muslim turdanistas, is dependent on Uncle Sam. Yep, the USSofA have fallen further into a cesspool than any sane individual could comprehend.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:07 | 6864955 Tristan Ludlow
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I have done enough reading online to say I also believe US is supporting ISIS.  Even if they do not target oil tankers becasue they don't want to do the environment harm or to give the tanker drivers time to escape, they are still supporting ISIS.  We have slashed and burned our way to a special place in the annuls of history.  What was once great is now dispised. 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:14 | 6864979 Johnny Horscaulk
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The us didnt want to destroy convoys of pickup trucks because of the environment?

I guess a lot has changed since gulf war 1.

Oh, and libya.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:41 | 6865093 smacker
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"We have slashed and burned our way to a special place in the annuls of history.  What was once great is now dispised."

If I were an American citizen, that is what would make my blood boil.

The infiltration of a world-class nation by psychopathic political, financial and corporate criminals leading to its eventual downfall and destruction.

There is no forgiveness for that.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:14 | 6864959 1033eruth
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Be assured that everything Uncle Fraud is doing is CLASSISFIED so that the enemy doesn't find out about it.  And of course the enemy is the American taxpayer.  

This is of course promotes the administration supporters to spout "CONSPIRACY" anytime someone puts the clues together for them.

The only way you can strip the ability for Uncle Fraud to commit all these frauds is by defunding them.  But Americans are willing slaves and always will be.  Uncle Fraud has used THEIR money to brainwash and condition the masses into being willing slaves.  The biggest example of Stockholm Syndrome you will ever find. 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:07 | 6864960 JailBanksters
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If you can't trust an Iraqi who can you trust, Obombo, Dubya

At what point does it go from a Conspiracy Theory to Conspiracy Fact, because NOBODY in government will ever admit it, it's one those secrets that every President will take to their Grave.

If Proven, so many people will be held accountable for War Crimes.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:18 | 6864991 css1971
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Human resources... Psychopathic nomenclature.

 

When exactly did "Personnel" become "human resources"?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:09 | 6865207 Pomkiwi
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css1971 -  over here it was about the same time as the city center became the central business district (now just CBD) and all the other weasel words were foisted on us. Don't get me started

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:13 | 6864973 Moonrajah
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Friends, enemies, allies - these concepts are so outdated. Today everyone is an asset that has a value and a shelf-life. Nothing personal, just business for deepstate.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:16 | 6864987 css1971
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So, basically. Everyone who is paying attention believes America is supporting ISIS.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:17 | 6864988 Mewa
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Pentegon is a joke...first chance the Iraqi soldiers get they will put a bullet in the head of any of these spec ops guys...they are not to be trusted........

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:18 | 6864992 MasterControl
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The leftists in the Obama administration are in cahoots with ISIS.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:20 | 6865001 Everybodys All ...
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+1000

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:18 | 6864993 cn13
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I have seen  almost no mention of Turkish support for ISIS crude oil shipments in the U.S. press.

Obama certainly won't mention it which tells me that the so-called Freedom of Press in the U.S. is effectively dead.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:19 | 6864996 Johnny Horscaulk
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I have news for Iraqis - 9/11 was an inside-and-israeli job, the war on iraq was planned and talked about 9/11, Saddam was not working on a nuke ir threatening his neighbors or wearing white after labor day, and the evidence linking iraq to al qaeda and mock ups of imaginary movile weapons labbed were cooked up by a bunch of dual citizen zios in the office of special plans who made an end-run around the cia.

All the world's a stage...

And most of what we are told is unbelievable bullshit to get Americans to go along with a hyperinterventionist, largely Zionist agenda.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

And - theres no end in sight.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:42 | 6865350 2muchtax
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You could have left out the last line... I was still holding on to some hope.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 12:11 | 6865774 withglee
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And by my personal poll, less than 8% of my fellow American citizens in the Houston area get it (only 15 out of 194 knew about WTC7 as of right now).

Everyone should be running this poll. Load the WTC7 collapse video onto your smart phone. When "anyone" tries to engage you in some current events subject, poll them with the video.

This will do several things:

  • It will show them that they can be lied to and misled.
  • It may cause them to do the same thing and thus have expanding effect
  • It will allow you to see the unbelievable (to me) non reactions and subsequent cognitive dissonance
  • It will allow you to immediately question any current event opinion they have as they obviously have flawed sources.
  • Maybe it will get them to quit waving the American flag and "supporting our troops". When you're an occupied territory, supporting troops controlled by the occupiers is treason.

This is not an exhaustive list. It is an activity everyone can (and should) participate in. "We" can be the media.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 18:29 | 6867988 petroglyph
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I have tried that glee. I have shown beyond the shadow of doubt that the 911 comission didn't get to see all the evidence. They didn't get to examine wtc7, I have shown them that there is no wreckage in Penn.

They do not want to know. They get angry, dig in their heals and immediately assume "conspiracy". They would rather remain comfortable in their delusion then have to examine the critical evidence, and maybe have to then tell someone else the truth, and perhaps be thought of as a theorist.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:48 | 6870359 withglee
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With this kind of complacency, how can guns be an issue?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:20 | 6865003 BubbaJones
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Ya think?  Don't forget the video of the Apache Helo escorting the caravan of brand new toyota ISIS vehicles down the highway. https://youtu.be/xumgKOggxdU

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:53 | 6865144 Savyindallas
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Maybe its just a recon mission to try to get them back. They probably flew ahead and dropped leaflets asking that they cease and desist from all hostile activites and drop off the humvees at the nearest "friendly" US sponsored freedom fighter base. . 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 12:52 | 6865966 css1971
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That's an Mi-24 Hind, not an Apache. No wheels and too fat. Also the vehicles aren't new, they're late 90s early 2k body shape.

The video quality is also shit, I'm guessing it was taken ~10 years ago on an early cameraphone which would corroborate the timeframe.

 

It isn't ISIS, your guess is as good as mine which of the M.E. wars it was over the last 20 years but it isn't the current one.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:28 | 6865036 myptofvu
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Yes our tactic of abandoning our weapons and running away has decimated the enemy

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:00 | 6865165 hooligan2009
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bad, bad, bad..sounds almost like french or italian tactics

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:30 | 6865048 NoWayJose
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Now we know why the special forces are going in - to collect and destroy any incriminating evidence and to assassinate any hostile witnesses. Of course, this will be under cover of 'targeted air strikes' and 'rescue attempts'. Sadly, the special forces guys will be given false information - but will obey their orders.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 14:17 | 6866464 petroglyph
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I suspect our spec ops guys may be there as cover for IDF/MOSSAD in Syria. To extract those in trouble or wounded and to bag and remove any dead, so none will be the wiser. Also, the baddest snipers on the planet.

They can also claim and ISIS killed by anyone to prove America is winning.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:31 | 6865052 css1971
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<<-- USA materially supports ISIS.

<<-- Bullshit. You're delusional.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:16 | 6865512 css1971
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<<-- USA has been bombing sand.

<<-- USA has been degrading ISIS.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:18 | 6865524 css1971
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<<-- UK will bomb sand in Syria.

<<-- UK will bomb ISIS in Syria.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:19 | 6865535 css1971
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<<-- France is bombing sand in Syria.

<<-- France is bombing ISIS in Syria.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:24 | 6865557 Ghordius
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France can't afford to bomb sand. just an opinion. if you say "France pretending to bomb ISIS", then perhaps ok, but I'd say France can't even afford that pretense

nope, judging from Daesh's propaganda, the "Coalition of Devils" is a threat they are taking very seriously

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:31 | 6865053 smacker
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Please let's note that this morning, the Russian Defence Ministry gave a large live press conference in Moscow providing evidence that Turkey and Erdogan and his family are directly dealing with the stolen oil from Syria and Iraq by ISIS, the international crime and terrorist gangster organisation.

Russian officials presented aerial photos/charts which show there are three routes of oil tankers into Turkey from Syria and Iraq. Two go directly to Turkish refineries and one goes to Med ports for onward shipment (presumably to Israel, another international crime and terrorist state).

Will the fascist Erdogan now resign? or will he refute the evidence?

 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:34 | 6865314 corsair
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Expect to hear more on the subject from Lavrov during the OSCE summit that starts tomorrow.

Media can ignore Russian MoD press conference, but it will be very difficult to do the same with Lavrov in such a high-profile settings, especially since these kind of questions fall precisely within OSCE jurisdiction.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:39 | 6865085 Omega_Man
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not good for US special ops... better send matching body bags

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:43 | 6865099 Calculus99
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Without 'bad guys' Hollywood, Wrestling (WWF) and the US Government wouldn't know what to do...

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:48 | 6865118 dogismycopilot
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Iraq is on the ragged edge of nothing. They have no money, 90% of their GDP is from oil, oil price is in the shitter, oil prices projected to go to $30-$35 and down to mid $20s in worst case scenario. In Iraq, many goverment salaries have not been paid for MONTHS, power and water are still an issue (In basra, the water that comes out of the taps is "brackish" and salty...not nice). There are no fucking jobs anywhere to be had. Crime is going through the roof a a result. Kidnapping is the biggest growth industry.

Meanwhile, ISIS are running around in brand new Toyotas, more money than they know what to do with, foriegn fighters flooding in through Turkey, and the only fucking people who seem to care are A) Russian or B) Iranian and/or Shiites.

Boys and girls, Obama is a failed statesman. His regime needs to be changed.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:49 | 6865120 Racer
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Retweeted

  3m3 minutes ago

YouGov poll shows sharp fall in support for air strikes in UK over last two weeks. See more on our live blog

 

I should certainly hope there are NO air strikes in the UK!

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 09:55 | 6865148 Niall Of The Ni...
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ISIS isn't being actively supported by Uncle Sugar---any more. It's the latest in a long line of Frankenstein's monsters that turned on their masters in Wall Street and Riyadh.

If Uncle Sugar stopped supporting the House of Saud and gave Russia a free hand to finish them off, that would be the last you ever heard of ISIS or groups like them.

Of course, oil at fair value would bring the American empire down in a few years if not months, which is why it won't happen while there's a drop of oil left in the Arabian desert.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:13 | 6865192 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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I smell a 'Blackhawk Down' moment for the US.

Terrorism in the M-E and elsewhere is in the US's best interest (short-term.)

Cui bono? Everybody knows, but for the American flock.

Putin needs to finish getting changed and come out of the phone booth real soon.

Cameron, Merkel, and Hollande need to go stand in the corner.

NATO needs to tuck their tails between their legs and call it a day.

The UN needs to stand up and say, "Enough!"

 

 

Reminder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2NkjNvwuaU

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:07 | 6865194 Lea
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"ordinary people also have seen the videos, heard the stories and reached the same conclusion — one that might seem absurd to Americans but is widely believed among Iraqis — that the United States is supporting the Islamic State"

Does this seem "absurd to Americans"?
Does this really?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:07 | 6865197 Quinvarius
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I remember that smirk on Obama's face, as ISIS was rolling through Iraq, when he was telling Iraq's government they needed to be more inclusive to deal with it.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:10 | 6865212 ptoemmes
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Walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - Occam's razor.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:19 | 6865240 Chairman
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I am still pissed off that I had to kill perfectly good VC girls just because they were on the spook's hit list.  I wouldn't mind having a few of these girls about now.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:44 | 6865360 WhyWait
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It's not what was done to us but what we did.  You have to forgive yourself.  But you don't have to forgive the folks who put you up to it.

 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:24 | 6865270 MadVladtheconquerer
Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:36 | 6865327 WhyWait
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"the comments out of Kata'ib Hezbollah, Badr, and Abadi might as well have been issued directly from Tehran because that’s unquestionably who’s pulling the strings here."

Love your reporting Tyler but you keep repeating this which is really the enemy's propaganda line.  Yes, their comments align with Tehran.  Perhaps it's true that Tehran is calling the shots.  But what matters here is whether this point of view is what's burning in the hearts of Iraq's soldiers, militia and their junior leaders.  And in the hearts of their families back home.  It sounds to me like the whole Iraqi nation standing up together shouting "enough is enough!" 

Like we need to do.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:39 | 6865339 yellowsub
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Which one gave it away?  

Providing aid and training to the "rebels", arming them with our weapons and air dropping munitions, or not destroying oil trucks because of environmental concerns?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:49 | 6865668 TRM
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Or worry about "civilian casualties" ... ha ha ha. That one made me laugh. Since when?

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 10:58 | 6865432 PleasedToMeatYou
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Well, I'm sure the American MIC meant well.  We are the good guys, aren't we? 

We are, right? 

I don't get it, what's so funny? 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:02 | 6865454 sidiji
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worse kept secret in the world...but then Obama is a lazy Nig

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:04 | 6865466 Joenobody12
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Chicken and Dumpling ? My kids are starving and Obumpa send chicken and Dumpling to the ISIS, using my tax dollars ! 

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:26 | 6865562 BiPolarFrenchman
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Another 500 million signed for "Syrian resistance aid" by Obama during the Thanksgiving holiday...

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:38 | 6865613 Dr. Bonzo
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Mossad are laughing all the way to the bank. Israel never gets mentioned once in all this shit.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:45 | 6865649 Dr. Bonzo
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Look through all MSM.... NYT... WaPo... Tribune... LA Times... CNNABCNBCBS... the silence is defeaning......

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:48 | 6865659 TRM
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"“There’s clearly no one in the West who buys it,” - Uh speak for yourself there sparky.

The phrase "fighting WITH Islamic State" can be taken 2 ways. Along side or in combat against. We all know it is the former.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:48 | 6865664 22winmag
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Meanwhile, the NFL lionizes the military and idolizes soldiers.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:51 | 6865677 silverer
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Last night I caught a show with Hillary Clinton being interviewed, with ISIS as the subject, and fighting terrorism.  Hillary laid out detailed information and plans that made her sound well informed about the matter.  Well, when you present this to the typical sheeple, they will of course be impressed, and convinced that Hillary has the solution for fighting the terrorists.  I winced when she laid out the steps: more soldiers on the ground, more equipment, more monitoring, etc...  All in lock step to the globalist agenda, I'm sure.  When she's president (as she will be, because they will manipulate polls and the results), her White House tenure will be the swan song of the historic US Republic.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 00:50 | 6869377 onmail1
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Because Americans & its euroPeons have always been pirates.

Pirate Captain America under its worst leadership with CabalCock$uckerDrugAddictHomObamma

AssRaping the whole world

Nobody is secure now

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