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ISIS + world economy > climate change
Christie http://hedgeaccordingly.com/2015/12/christie-climate-change-not-a-crisis...
Some of these people actually believe they are in control of the climate, others are just looking for redistributed cash from 'richer' countries......most however are just lying control freaks who want to micro manage and control every minute of your day!
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Oh, there are many BELIEVERs out there. i've met them. They are thoroughly convinced that man is affecting the climate. they also wholly believe the "Scientists" that make this crap up.
You can't fix stupid, hysteria-believing, fluoride sucking, leftwing leghumping, environazi, moonbat school programmed retards.
Umm, with a little bit of editing...
You seem to have flagged the denialati here at the Hedge quite accurately....
We are slow-cooking the planet, quit sticking your head up your ass and get over it...
Figured you'd show up to shill...
Slow cooking the planet, you really believe that?
I don't have to believe, I understand the physics and what the data tells us....
And yes, as far as H. Sapiens is concerned, it is a slow cooking....
we're being cooked allright, and anyone who has an honest interest in the scientific method knows damned well it has fuckall to do with carbon dioxide and everything to do with counterfeiting
Is your ass still sore from the price of gold collapsing?
Sounds like it...
^^^ So, where is your "proof" that humans are slowly cooking the planet or are you like the rest of the sheeple that believe whatever comes on the TV? We're waiting, just like the rest of the people on the planet that have woken up to the lies...
Pretty fuckin' lame...
Is that really the best you can come up with?
TV? Really??
Is it less than 400 hundred days until the Mocha Messiah gets his microphone turned off?
Flakmeister....who knows if the data is accurate or fudged and while the place is warming if the truth were told we really have no idea how or why because of bad scientific practices on both sides of the argument. Meanwhile the sharp pencils are figuring how they can stampede the masses and make a sizeable bit of business while herding and advancing their own interests.
Are you seriously positing that this data is fudged? It would be straight forward for anyone to demonstrate that...
The Kochs partially funded the BEST collaboration led by a noted sceptic, Richard Muller, for just this purpose... Hell WUWT was sure the the "truth" would come out....
The subsequent WSJ Op-Ed was all but titled "I was wrong"
Assuming that there is global warming, I have some questions.
Hi dona, Global warming is a religion and you can not convince or convert a fanatic.
Yes, industry has been caught poisoning and poluting bodies of water as well as releasing noxious gasses, but these companies are the ones to be paying fines not the whole world because we like our toast in the morning and the heat on high.
What was that old saying about correlation and causation? Oh yeah, the first does not equal the second.
Why is there NEVER a discussion of the suns output in relation to cooling or warming? Because that wouldn't be anthopomorphic enough to tax into submission.
AGW and the hockey stick are gamed bullshit to advance the interests of globalists.
You are intellectually lazy...
https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter08_FINAL...
"Anthropogenic and Natural Radiative Forcings"
in other words, the Sun...
Go away, troll....
Did someone mention the Sun? better start knitting your new blankies... or SC 25 is going to kick your ass!!!
http://www.space.com/23934-weak-solar-cycle-space-weather.html
Any suffiiciently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic...
Or so said A.C. Clarke....
So it is no wonder you morons think it is religion, you are simply too fucking ignorant to to know the difference...
Clarke wrote fiction. What's your excuse.
He can also lay claim to the concept of the geo-synchronous orbit...
Now run along little one...
WRONG Dumb fuck. Both Potocnik and Clark dealt with geostationary orbits, which are a special kind of Geosynchronous orbit. And Potocnik was first. (Clark was 11 years old when Potocnik figured out the Geostationary orbit,
"At the end of 1928, the Austro-Hungarian rocket engineer Herman Potocnik set out a plan for a breakthrough into space and the establishment of a permanent human presence there. He conceived a space station in detail and was the first person to calculate the geostationary orbit, on which the station would orbit the Earth."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit
Ask Fred Lunz...
In scientific literature both terms have been used for over 40 years....
I don't debate policy, only the science. One thing at a time...
That being said, a revenue neutral carbon tax is probably the fairest option...
And how would a carbon tax be enforced globally? Hell, you can't even get a consensus that climate change is in fact happening much less enforce compliance...
Like I said, I don't do policy....
184 countries prepared "Intended Nationaly Determined Contributions" (INDCs) for Paris. The consensus is there for a good reason.
The enforcement is political: anyone breaks the agreement, the final measure is nobody does business with the rouge. "Legally binding" has been brought up in the addresses as well as in the negotiations. A lot. Listen to how Todd Stern, long time American climate negotiator, handles / describes these challenges:
http://unfccc6.meta-fusion.com/cop21/events/2015-12-02-16-00-united-stat...
The "carbon tax" is up in the air (no pun intended) but sometimes I guess people just can't / won't call a spade a spade. Regardless of language, all these nations are going to be scrutinized and they will want to be seen as taking action...
Yeah, I also remember many other terms being used in scientific literature...
1. Removing carbon from the atmosphere would not cool the globe even a thousandth of a degree as removing carbon would cause less pl ant life to grow (plants EAT co2. Less CO2, less plant life). And anyone who disagrees with that is an ignorant moron who knows absolutely NOTHING about life on Earth. Removing plants would allow more sun to hit the then bare earth, thus causing the temperatures to rise, not fall. What - did you get smacked in the head by Mann's hocky stick?
2. Pray tell,, how the fuck does taxing workers reduce atmospheric carbon? There is NO "science" that would apply to such a process - that would be a combination of politics and voodoo economics. Since you claim to be able to do "science", maybe we need you to define exactly what you do that you call science?
"Our results include our best estimate for the global temperature change and our estimates of the uncertainties in the record"
And you believe that Mann & etc used valid "estimates?" I remember reading AGW Report 1 & 2, and how they arrived at those "estimates". For example - their estimate for solar forcing was initially pegged at 50% (By a guy they claimed was their "expert") When they ran the numbers, why my goodness - there WAS NO GLOBAL WARMING. So they figured they must have miss-estimated and changed their estimate of solar forcing to 25% and POOF! They had their Global warming!
Same thing with the gathering of periodic temperature readings around the globe. Are you familiar with the three data collection methods approved by them. They amount to 1. go read the data from the machine. Class 2 temp stations. read the data you can easily get to, and estimate the rest. class 3 data stations . Holy shit, Batman! We can't get to the gauges at all. We'll just have to estimate ALL of the readings. And that's how it works to this very day!
And of course the records of real world real time temps are sacred! One fine day in July a couple of years ago, a town called "egg harbor" reported a noon temp of about 400 degrees F... or was it 600 degrees? I forget. Same day they got a temp of over 400 degrees out on Lake MI. It took over 5 years for people who care to get them to invalidate the bad temps. Oh, yeah! Your records and measurements and estimates are just PEACHY!
Anthropogenic Global Warming is pure unadulterated Bullshit. Period.
You are clutching at straws and simply making shit up...
Nope. You apparently don't read the crap that the IPCC puts out - like IPCC Reports 1 - 5. Oh... wait. I'm sorry. Do you know how to read?
You clearly dont understand the science - you understand the Potemkin science of models proven wildly inaccurate over snd over - ever consider for a moment YOU ARE WRONG?
no - then why do you demand others do so on this topic ad nauseam?
Fucking platitudinous poof.
I'd have given you two up-checks instead of one (1 for using "Potemkin", the other for "platitudinous poof"), but they won't let us do that. :-(
That's nothing. Read what he believes about his superior intellect.
Much be a ghost account for dear leader...
Yeah, thats why I nail close to a third of a yard doing quantitative consulting. I get paid to be right and not make shit up...
Go look up what a LDA or a MCMC are and get back to us...
Louisiana Dental Assn? Learning Disabilities of America? Lahore Development Authority? Landing Distance Available? Lyme disease Assn? Lucknow Development Authority?
Mid-Columbia Medical Center? Muslim Center of Middlesex County? Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission? (aka Suruhanjaya Komunikasi dan Multimedia)? Marine Corps Maintenance Contractor?
Every consultant I ever worked with avoided acronyms like the plague because they contribute to imprecision and confusion. Guess you'd have to nail your yard on someone else's nickle. BTW - if I knew you were an AGW advocate, since I'd be forewarned that your logic circuits were possibly faulty in the physical science department, I wouldn't hire you to spit on the sidewalk, much less actually pay you to do anything.
I agree, you would never hire me, because you have no fucking clue what I do or what you would do with it...
BTW, MCMC = Markov Chain Monte Carlo...
And if you think you know better than the scientists about what is going on, you have a severe case of Dunning Kruger...
DK applies to people that are incapable of evaluating how dumb they actually are...
"because you have no fucking clue what I do "
Ummmm let me guess... oh. THAT's what you do. You play with numbers to confuse the client into thinking you're actually doing something scientific, then you GUESS and they're amazed? And the more times you guess, the closer you get to a useful value... presumably....
I know how to guess at things.
And you have shown that you invariably guess wrong..
You could be correct, but the thing is, you definitely can't know that. To know that, the world would have to be a Newtonian Clockwork mechanism, and you would have to know that mechanism in great detail, and
So the problem is that you keep claiming it, and all of the intelligent evidence, the honest evidence says either 'an aspect of an open, evolving complex system' or 'more research is needed', most often both.
Models cannot predict the future. That is the claim, and it is false on the face of it.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/to-the-modelers-of-the-world/
You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
At least you are polite....
It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced.
All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!
http://motivationdose.com/electromagnetic-pulse-attack-emp-blackout-usa-...
I remember in the 70's my elementary school would take field trips to Yosemite Valley. The tour guide/Ranger would explain to all of us how Yosemite valley and the walls of El Capitan and Half Dome were formed by a glacier that once filled the entire valley a 1/2 mile or so deep with ice. We all looked at each other and thought "what the...why was there so much ice". The tourguide went on to explain how the earth is warmer now than it was a thousand years ago when the entire Sierra Nevada mountain range was covered with massive glaciers.
I would like for Obama and Gore and Hillary to explain why Yosemite is no longer completely consumed by ice.
..because California has SUVs and hasn't paid their Carbon Taxes. Next question.
/sarc
"I would like for Obama and Gore and Hillary to explain why Yosemite is no longer completely consumed by ice."
May I? I'm sure a bit of it may have either malted or transsubstantiated into water vapor, but the vast majority of it went directly into the old fashioned glasses of the Washington DC Party circuit.
"going hot"???
<-- Climate Hope
<-- Climate Change
How could one possibly choose?
Can't we have Hope and Change? The people demand it.
fuck you Ramirez
+1,000
Fuck you, Ramirez.
ramires is paying zh to post his dirty pro-israel blabbeling here
shame on ramirez the filthy jew-dick licker
for the downers:
and Roosevelt is some kind of hero to castigate Obozo? ... Fail
see Yalta conference you Zio fucks
December 7th, a day that will live in infamy and the moment that Roosevelt proclaimed war on Japan.....or he could have instead seen climate change as a much greater threat and just convened a panel instead.
You can "really hate Ramirez" all you like, but it really doesn't strengthen your position to do so in this case. No one is calling Roosevelt a hero or implying anything about him except that when faced with a crisis, he apparently was able to differentiate an actual measurable, definable attack from some theoretical calculation by his most favored scientists. Obama has done much to create the threats we all face today, and climate change is simply his most ridiculous and remote yet, and he still claims it as the most imminent. How is Ramirez wrong here?
Tylers - Please stop sliding in these Neo-con-esque cartoons. This community sees through it, if you haven't taken a gander at the comment sections lately.
Thanks
Not that funny. WB7 does better stuff. (Where's he been anyway?)
No, not as funny or cutting as the best of WB7, but the point does come across.
Really, where has he been?
Probably getting laid by some hot Asian, hopefully a female.
Can I get a trading opportunity out of this climate mess? Daytrading
My balls itch.
A big bottle of Visine for you then Doc?
never let a good crisis go to waste.
Who is that, John Kerry?
A good a place as any for this:
Looks like he realized that the grain harvest won't be increasing....
or, quite possibly, he understood this CO2 gimmick for what it is: a claw-hammer to the west's frontal lobe.
academia is the province of bolsheviks; academia is adroitly advancing the cause of this CO2 con-job; bolsheviks hate the occident; the only way to defeat the west is through our guilt-complex...putin ain't stupid, but there are some out there who are -- as the PC crowd would say -- intellectually challenged.
flak, do you not weary of science and all their convoluted and contradictory claims? we do not understand life itself, consciousness, the physical universe...hell, we can't even get our story straight with something so simple as cholesterol and its effects on the body -- one day eggs are bad, then they're good...the next day it's milk, then it ain't...then it's red meat, then it's not. and you expect me to believe that these 'scientists' have reduced something so complex and dynamic as our climate to a discreet and predictable science, where we can measure the inputs and assign to them a direct cause and effect relationship?
look, even the oil companies are jumping on this band-wagon. why? because it has within it the potential to destroy their chief rival -- coal. think they believe in 'global warming'? no, it's brinkmanship...and putin knows the score. speaking of which, is it not russia with oceans of oil and germany with mountains of coal? strange coincident, no?
janus
Could you give a few example of "contradictory claims"?
We are all ears...
BTW, coal and oil are not rivals... not even close...
President Putin COP 21 / CMP 11 address Paris 30NOV15:
http://unfccc6.meta-fusion.com/cop21/events/2015-11-30-12-00-conference-...
in the video player you can switch from "floor" to english
scroll down to watch Xi, Obama, Merkel etc
and he uses the term "global warming" 30 seconds in. If I had a barrel of crude for every time some dope here brought up the 'had to change from GW to CC' ...
A day of infamy that slimey fuck let happen because he wanted to get the us into the war with germany... The fact germany didnt threaten the us be damned.
Was that before or after Germany declared war on the US?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_Unit...(1941)
You seem to be new here, but your command of history is on par with the typical Hedgetard....
pearl harbor, the 7th
germany's declaration, the 11th
lashing out for what, your butt still hurt that nobody believes in the co2 scam? or is it hurt because you still cant tell the difference between co2 and actual pollution? which is it?
Yawn...
Did you have a point?
flak you zio fuck, and the Lusitania was out for a nice cruise...
Wrong war buddy...
But somehow I am not at all surprised...
BTW, the Lusitania was carrying munitions...
as is evidenced by the US Naval Blockade outside Japan who required 100% energy imports adn the US Knew it. Of course the Public School Historians re-wrote that one right out as well. But who coulda known a supposed neutral country blockade something as important as crude oil in war times could ever prompt any sovereign nation to respond?
Im sure hte US would never do such. Hell, we only serve cookies at a Ukranian meeting to oust a leader that refuses NATO to illegally and in violation of its' own agreement with Russia it iwll not expand into said country.
@Imagery,
It was not a BLOCKADE, it was an embargo. Big difference. If it had been a blockade there would have been lots of US ships at the bottom of the ocean off the coast of Japan.
Learn some history.
I don't need to believe in climate change or not believe in it. I don't have a dog in this fight and it is weird so many of you debate this.
We are polluting the rat fuck out of the planet. If we worked on reducing pollution, recycling, not killing off the habitat, growing food sustainably, having less disposable throw-awy lifestyles and having more walkable connected lifestyles, all the things we would do to support that would naturally reduce the things that they claim are causing climate change.
Do those things and climate change would become irrelevant.
Do those things and people would be healthier, not fat, not carrying polluted oil stores on their bodies as they move around on the face of the planet.
Fuck this focus on climate change. It is another non issue that keeps our eyes off the prize.
BINGO! +1
+1 Ms.
High income, hyper consumption with "black Fridays" attached can only lead to one thing: More sales and revenue stoking the consumer economy at the obvious expense of the planet. The bipolar nature of government today is outstanding, promoting consumerism and spending everything you earn, then trying to control the weather and taxing those nations that produce the very goods we are told to suck up ad nauseum.
Climate change is just another method of control and is a total fraud.
And yes, I fully agree the earth is warming. If anyone cared to research it, the sun is too.
Don't know much about solar cycles, do you?
http://www.space.com/23934-weak-solar-cycle-space-weather.html
You realize that when you say "growing food sustainably" means GMO and factory farming. Organic simply can't compete.
I once calculated the numbers as to how much natural fertilizer (manure) it would take to fertilize the crops in the US. It would take more than the land mass of the US to provide enough hay to raise enough cows to produce enough natural fertilizer. Organic is fine on a small scale, but it doesn't scale up. Crops need to be rotated annually, which would leave dire shortages of grains. Unless everyone wants to eat alfalfa instead of wheat, oats, soybeans and corn products.
But I generally agree with you, that we should be focusing on pollution and a sustainable lifestyle, not GHG.
As for "walkable, connected lifestyles". I've been involved in those types of communties for more than 15 years, and have worked with the pioneers in that field.
I didn't junk you, but i think you are wrong. GMO's do NOT increase plant yields, they only reduce the labor needed , besides they cause fucking cancer and other defects. In regards to fertilizer, corn can be rotated out with a number of legumes such as peas or beans, this will replenish the nitrogen in the soil...You could also plant alfalfa or sweet clover that can be made into hay for livestock and also replenish the soil with nitrogen. One of the biggest points I can make, is that America throws away 1/3 of its food already...so saying we would starve is a lie...The food we eat already has no fucking nutrition so we eat the fuck out of it. Eat quality food, you will need less, let alone not throwing 1/3 of it in the trash...
Genetic enhancement of many crops can boost final yield. There are mounds of good papers on using genetic modification to convert food crops from "Host" to "non-Host" species, so preventing loss by fungal / bacterial infection.
Yield IS important, and genetic modification DOES increase net yield, not necessarily by a direct process. If this was not the case, there would be no ready market for the improved (but more costly) seed.
Yeah but - you cant get something from nothing.
More yield more soil depletion, depleted soil fewer vitamins and mins in the plant.
"Genetic enhancement of many crops can boost final yield....genetic modification DOES increase net yield,but "
What else does it do? TANSTAAFL!!! Modifying genetics of even benign plants could easily upset the balance of power (as it were) in a plant, or even in a field, which could lead to all kinds of unforeseen repercussions. When is an enhancement NOT an enhancement? when you have to force the new genetic combination (instead of it naturally taking hold.) of by altering the plant's codes, you can't know what effect you'll have on the plant on the future.
You realize that when you say "growing food sustainably" means GMO and factory farming. Organic simply can't compete.
I once calculated the numbers as to how much natural fertilizer (manure) it would take to fertilize the crops in the US. It would take more than the land mass of the US to provide enough hay to raise enough cows to produce enough natural fertilizer. Organic is fine on a small scale, but it doesn't scale up. Crops need to be rotated annually, which would leave dire shortages of grains. Unless everyone wants to eat alfalfa instead of wheat, oats, soybeans and corn products.
One problem with your theory is how that grain is used. For exanple, how much of the corn crop is used to make high fructose corn sweetner? How much of that sweetner is used to make shit food and pop?
How much of that grain would not need to be grown if we weren't so addicted to shitty sweet foods that use cornsweetner? It's a huge amount of the crop.
Little debbies and coke, breakfast of champions!
Why do you need cow poop? Just fall plant some Dutch white Clover and till it under next year - or plant through it (ie drill your crops). That way you reduce erosion and apply nitrogen at the same time. (Clover is a nitrogen fixer - gets its nitrogen from the air.) And if you're really smart, you'll get you some bees too! Bees are cool.
that's exactly what I always say
Excellent - I feel the same but you said it better then I could have.
Down here in Colombia the headline is that Colombia is going to get 100 million for the rainforest deforestation.....lol....they are licking their lips
Gotta work better then common sense.
How come Ramirez is such a shitty cartoonist when he has so much material to mine?
Because he never gets to just the simple truth of an issue. He settles for spinning events to fit a narrative and always attaches extraneous bullsh*t.
A real cartoonist would have shown that the global climate change meme was an attempt to shift the creation of ISIS away from a fail US policy to another reason and left it at that.
Instead Ramirez concocts a frankensteinan smorgasborg of stupid.
who is this supposed to be in the picture?
supposed to be FDR. I'm sure your comment was /sarc, but just in case....
Obama gets no respect because he deserves no respect.
GLP again:
Oillah Hoo A-kabar
(Oil demon , come out of your grave)
now face it