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"Allah Took Turkey's Sanity" Putin Says, As Davutoglu Blasts "Lying Soviet Propaganda"

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On Wednesday, Russia took the PR campaign blitz up a notch on Turkey when the MoD held a 25 minute press conference during which Deputy Minister of Defence Anatoly Antonov delivered a scathing (not to mention hilarious) indictment of Ankara’s role in Islamic State’s lucrative oil trade before walking the audience through a compelling powerpoint presentation that detailed ISIS crude transport routes. 

Vladimir Putin then promised to deliver more evidence to implicate Erdogan and his family in the trafficking of illicit crude next week. 

The US State Department came to Ankara’s defense (albeit not as fiercely as one might have expected) as spokesman Mark Toner told reporters that Washington is confident the Turkish government “is not complicit in Islamic State oil smuggling.” 

For his part, Sergei Lavrov said Russia would present evidence of Turkey’s involvement to the UN. Speaking from Belgrade, he also said the Turkish-Syrian border needs to be closed and that the US, via SpecOps and air cover, could be a big help in the effort if Washington chooses to participate.

Needless to say, Erdogan isn’t happy with Russia’s “immoral” accusations and on Thursday, PM Ahmet Davutoglu lashed out at what he calls “Soviet propaganda.” 

"In the Cold War period there was a Soviet propaganda machine. Every day it created different lies. Firstly they would believe them and then expect the world to believe them. These were remembered as Pravda lies and nonsense,” Davutoglu said. "This was an old tradition but it has suddenly reared its head again. Nobody attaches any value to the lies of this Soviet-style propaganda machine.”

("Ohhhh, burned. Show Davu some love!")

Unfortunately for Ankara, all kinds of people are “attaching value” to Russia’s accusations, including the Iraqi government from whom Turkey is effectively stealing not only by facilitating the trafficking of ISIS oil, but also by piping over 600,000 b/d from Kurdistan to Ceyhan.

On Wednesday, Asem Jihad, the press attaché of the Iraqi Ministry of Oil, said Iraq will ask the Security Council to establish committees tasked with investigating anyone and everyone involved with the smuggling of illegal crude from Iraq and furthermore, he said Baghdad expects the international community to brand anyone found to be involved, "a criminal."

Meanwhile, Putin’s penchant for biting criticism, not-so-veiled threats, and humor was on full display Thursday as the Russian President suggested “Allah” is out to punish  Erdogan by frying his brain and warned that if Ankara thought it was going to escape from the plane debacle with “some measures on its tomatoes” (a reference to economic sanctions the The Kremlin leveled against Turkey last weekend), they are “sorely mistaken”. Here are the quotes:

“We were prepared to cooperate with Turkey on most sensitive issues and go further than their allies. Allah knows why they did it. Apparently Allah decided to punish the ruling clique in Turkey by taking their sanity.” 

 

"We will not forget this aid to terrorists. We have always considered betrayal the worst and most shameful act. Let those in Turkey know it who shot our pilots in the back, who hypocritically tries to justify themselves and their actions and cover up the crimes of terrorists."

 

"If anyone thinks that having committed this awful war crime, the murder of our people, that they are going to get away with some measures concerning their tomatoes or some limits on construction and other sectors, they are sorely mistaken."

And then there was the obligatory critique of US foreign policy: 

"Some countries in the Middle East and North Africa, which used to be stable and relatively prosperous – Iraq, Libya, Syria – have turned into zones of chaos and anarchy that pose a threat to entire world,” 

 

“We know why it happened. We know who wanted to oust unwanted regimes, and rudely impose their own rules. They triggered hostilities, destroyed statehoods, set people against each other and simply washed their hands [of the situation] – giving way to radicals, extremists and terrorists.”

Here's the clip:

Meanwhile, Britain conducted its first strikes against ISIS targets on Thursday as RAF Tornados took off from the Royal Air Force base at Akrotiri in Cyprus. The UK claims it hit Islamic State oil fields. 

"There are plenty more of these targets throughout eastern, northern Syria which we hope to be striking in the next few days and weeks," Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said.

Why yes Mr. Fallon, there are "plenty" of targets, the problem is, the US doesn't seem excited about hitting them. 

"We see no strikes on those convoys by the coalition - only a tripling in the number of strategic UAVs has been observed," Lieutenant General Sergey Rudskoy said at Russia's Wednesday presser, suggesting once again that the US has no "inherent resovle" (pun fully intended) to hit ISIS where it hurts. 

There are also suggestions that Britain may send troops in a "non-combat" train and assist capacity.

So another day, another (couple) of escalations as Russia calls Erdogan crazy, Davutoglu invokes Pravda, and Britain enters the fray. Meanwhile, we imagine ISIS is pumping the usual 45,000 barrels of crude today and going about business as usual. 

 

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Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:37 | 6871074 Looney
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BELGRADE – OSCE’s Ministerial Council

Today, Turkey announced that “it will not close the 98-km stretch of the Syrian border, because it will require 30,000 troops and a watchtower every 3 meters. The Turkey-Syria border is also a NATO-Syria border, and NATO must cover the expense of protecting it”.

Turkey has excelled at milking everybody. How long will it take for NATO to find another $3-4 Billion to bribe Erdogan? Two weeks? A month? ;-)

Looney

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:43 | 6871095 y3maxx
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..."Allah took Turkey's Sanity"

agreed and,

"Allah took Barrak Hussein's sanity too."

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:47 | 6871120 MadVladtheconquerer
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More like took Oblowme's 450cc of grey matter.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:22 | 6871309 LowerSlowerDela...
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Allah's FAULT!!!!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:38 | 6871401 NidStyles
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Apparently Turkey hasn't updated it's maps in the schools since the Cold War was still a thing...

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:13 | 6871618 HowdyDoody
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A Turish horse shows what it thinks of Erdogan, slo-mo at about 0:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkqaVERYb7M

I hope the horse was not harmed during the incident or following, given Erdogan's propensity for offing opponents.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:09 | 6872024 Latina Lover
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"Allah took Turkey's Sanity"

 

Brilliant turn of phrase..... Washington knows how to speak Neocon or Liberal Humanitarian Bomberism, but cannot really connect to Muslims other than through violence.   This is why Russia has a chance to boot the USSA out of the Middle East.

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:46 | 6871860 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Suffice to say, the thumbnails were on point.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:30 | 6871354 HowdyDoody
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There are plenty of targets, so the Brits sent 2 Tornados equipped with 6 Paveways. Wow, that has got ISIS/whatever on the run. Pathetic.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF...

The targetting videos are confidential and will not be released for national security reasons /sarc

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:50 | 6871139 _ConanTheLibert...
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and cursed Allan's Snackbar

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:06 | 6871224 CuttingEdge
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You jest?

Obamination never had any sanity to begin with.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:40 | 6871795 Noplebian
Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:42 | 6871083 JustObserving
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I would trust Putin over war criminal Erdogan and his ilk any day.

Turkey supplied the sarin that killed over 1000 Syrians in Ghouta to try to get the Nobel Prize Winner to bomb Assad into oblivion

Seymour Hersh Links Turkey to Benghazi, Syria and Sarin

The assessment of the Defense Intelligence Agency is that the sarin was supplied by Turkey to elements in Ghouta with the intent of “push[ing] Obama over the red line.” Intercepted transmissions from Turkish operators in the aftermath of the attack are jubilant, and the success of their covert mission must have seemed well in hand. Obama’s implicit call to war in the coming month was proof of that.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/06/seymour-hersh-links-turke...

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:46 | 6871116 Demdere
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There is no need to trust anyone.  We have the most amazing spy apparatus in the world, remember?  We know the name and girlfriend's name and address of every jihadi in the world, and of all the troops in every location in the world.

Not literally true, but damn close. Our gov doesn't tell us things, very different than they don't know it.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/about-the-massive-psyops/

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:50 | 6871141 Bunga Bunga
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CHP deputies Eren Erdem and Ali ?eker held a press conference in ?stanbul on Wednesday in which they claimed the investigation into allegations regarding Turkey's involvement in the procurement of sarin gas which was used in the chemical attack on a civil population and delivered to the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to enable the attack was derailed.

http://www.todayszaman.com/national_chp-deputies-govt-rejects-probe-into...

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 17:44 | 6872813 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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ZH should embed some new fonts into the comments section. For the number of international stories and the importance thereof, question marks just don't cut it.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:06 | 6871220 commoncourtesy
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Here is another incredible link:

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/putin-orders-doomsday-plane-into-air-aft...

The Ministry of Defense (MoD) is reporting today that President Putin has ordered the Federation’s Ilyushin-80 giant command and control aircraft designated for use during nuclear war (otherwise known as the “Doomsday plane”) to prepare for worldwide war operations within a fortnight after military intelligence analysts discovered a “beyond staggering” plot by United States and Turkish government factions to bring down Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan and replace him with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) “designated figurehead” Fethullah Gulen—while at the same time utilizing Islamic State terrorists as “leverage”.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:12 | 6871255 BlindMonkey
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I tend to be skeptical of the total doom sites that happen to also be clickbait.

 

However, if someone does not see these global machinations as the ramp up to WW3, they are simply not looking.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:23 | 6871669 froze25
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They really are and its scary and frustrating. Scary because the lunatics in charge have surrounded themselves with Military "Yes Men" and purged all the ones or forced into retirement the ones that had a sense of sanity. These sick bastards the NeoCons / Neo Liberals (really just control freak Communist/Fascist) think they can win a Nuclear war. The frustrating part is when you try to speak to most men only about 15% understand the danger of it and are aware of whats happening. The other 85% either stills believes the coldwar propaganda from the 70's-80's (old timers) or has absolutely no clue about it and completely glazes over and starts talking about Sports (the ones that still have testicles but have shut down their brains) Black lives matters or Homosexual/Trans whatever rights as if that shit really has any meaning or effect on their lives. At least the old timers know what is happening but haven't figured out there are puppet masters (the families that own the Major Banking institutions and shares in the Federal Reserve) forcing this shit down our throats for their precious NWO dream of global enslavement and unlimited power. I can't even put a percentage for women because less than 1% from what I have seen can see past a mirror, take their eyes off their "smart" phone or some E-channel Bull shit they call news.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:28 | 6872163 commoncourtesy
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I suffer your same frustrations (and I a woman).

Awakening people is extremely hard work, but bear in mind these people have been brainwashed since their ALL CAPS SURNAME birth. As the saying goes, it is far easier to con someone than it is to convince someone they have been conned.

One step at a time, one PERSON (INFANT) at a time. The snowball follows...

If you were one of the power crazy, controlling, thirteen families et al that rule the world (or one of their Government puppets) that makes money from thin air, wouldn't you want to keep it a secret for as long as is possible?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:30 | 6872486 MrPalladium
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Our DC Beltway and NYC elites are wildly delusional about "their" ability to win a nuclear war. They listen only to the defense contractors. In fact the West's elites are the prime target in a nuclear war, and even though a small and select strata might have time to hide in a deep bunker, the vast substrata that supports them, runs their bureaucracies and mans their deep state will certainly be annihilated.

No intelligent power like Russia is likely to waste a perfectly good nuke on Paducah Kentucky, but it is certain that the entire population of Manhattan Island, and the DC beltway will be vaporized along with West Los Angeles (propaganda production central) and Silly Valley. The effluvia of the silos in Iowa and Nebraska can be intercepted. Remarkably, our elites and their supporting substrata still believe that the main combatants will be rural boys from Texas and Tennessee which in a strange turn of justice will be the safest places to hide.

The nuclear war our elites seek to provoke will be the first in nearly a thousand years in which the elites themselves will be on the front lines of the combat.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:33 | 6871736 froze25
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That was a good read, if true much more to come and soon, if not it only took about 5 mins to read.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:59 | 6871951 emersonreturn
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cc, interesting.  dots to watch for certainly.  i know i'm dreaming but i hope if it comes to it that TPTB need a fall guy from the wh that they throw hitlery under the bus.  ;-)

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:39 | 6871088 KnuckleDragger-X
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Standing athwart history screaming 'BULLSHIT'. Let's just assume everybody is lying for their own purposes.......

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:50 | 6871144 RawPawg
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the only thing that is more boring than proxy wars is proxy politics talk

US and Russia jawboning back and forth to each other...YAWN

either put up or shut up

nukes us(or them) or not..i'm tired of waiting for this other shoe to fall

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:02 | 6871199 Dr. Engali
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Call me crazy, but I'm not a big fan of seeing my family and loved ones turned to ash, or worse, survive a nuclear holocaust.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:33 | 6871372 RawPawg
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not a big fan of nukes myself

my point was this....we all know something big is coming down the pike

it's the waiting that plays on my mind

just do something already

in the mean time,all i can do is try to make peace with it

i have this gut feeling...it ain't gonna end well in the end

Pray and Prepare.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:11 | 6871249 MadVladtheconquerer
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Try waiting 45 yrs--and then the Berlin Wall fell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kX8lqXAONg

"Come on 'Dillos!  Let's get it on!"

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:47 | 6871447 Squid Viscous
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what's with the constant Dildos quote? is that supposed to be funny?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:57 | 6873712 Soundgardener
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Not bad. Singer sounds David Byrne-y (Talking Heads).

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:54 | 6871165 CHoward
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The Russians definitely have Washington by the balls.  Oh well. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:54 | 6871167 TheBeatles
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All 1oz Silver coins are €12 @ EurGold

https://www.eurgold.eu/silver/silver-coins/

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:24 | 6871312 SillySalesmanQu...
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Try Maxwell's Silver Hammer on that pin head of yours posing as a nail, repeat as many times as necessary.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:55 | 6871176 chunga
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Murika! Freedom!

'Great partners': Pentagon rejects Russian evidence of Turkey aiding ISIS

https://www.rt.com/usa/324377-usa-russia-turkey-isis/

“Let me be very clear that we flatly reject any notion that the Turks are somehow working with ISIL,” said Colonel Steve Warren, spokesman for the US-led coalition fighting against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL). “That is preposterous and kind of ridiculous. We absolutely, flatly reject that notion.”

#assholesindcaretoblame

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:44 | 6871440 NidStyles
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That just means they are actually freaking out that Russia know's as much as they do, and they are trying to find the security leaks. 

 

Denial is evidence of involvement. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:45 | 6872247 trulz4lulz
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Security leaks? The Russians are watching and listening to it go down from space.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:38 | 6871773 froze25
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I mean seriously a flat out rejection, it getting pretty damn obvious that ISIL, ISIS Danesh are getting aid and cover from developed nations, the House of Saud is one for sure and the evidence of the Dark side of the CIA helping ISIS is also mounting. Why do you think Hillary is safe from anything she does illegally. Its simple ISIS grew by leaps and bounds when she was Secretary of State. Anyone into Gov't works knows that the State Department Runs the Black ops of the CIA. So basically if you go after her she can spill the can of beans taking the whole Gov't establishment with her.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:59 | 6871185 Joe A
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Religion usually takes out sanity. All reason and logic go out the door. But for some reason we should respect religions even when they don't respect others or call for their destruction. Because religion....

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:08 | 6871229 Bananamerican
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bleat that secular humanist NWO bullshit elsewhere, Hipster

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:20 | 6871291 Joe A
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Ha, another fine example of 'religious tolerance'.

No, it is reason and logic, not some gamalagamala mambojumbo. Religion = superstition = not understanding nature and the universe. Life became a whole lot better for a whole lot of people when we started using our brain and logic instead of listening to "some guy in the sky". Most religions -if not all- are based on the dribblings of some halucinating guys in the desert that did not have even the most fundamental knowledge of nature.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:36 | 6871387 McMolotov
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"Dude, I get all my life advice from flaming pieces of desert shrubbery."

Dirty hippies and Moses

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:50 | 6871457 NidStyles
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The funny thing is that the religious fruitcakes blame the secularists for the NWO scam. All of the NWO leaders have been self-proclaimed religious ideologues. 

 

Bush was an self-proclaimed Evangelical. Bibi is a devout Jew. These terrorist are devout Muslims. The Catholic Church is for the NWO and backs it 100%. 

 

It doesn't take much to see that religion is being used as a weapon to control the opponents of the NWO, and the proponents of the NWO all band together under one religious ideology called Zionism. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:26 | 6871699 Joe A
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The worst are the converts or reborn ones. Like they have to outdo the original ones in terms of orthodoxie.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:41 | 6871800 froze25
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Well they can't very well come out and call themselves Satanist can they now. Funny how when you look at their actions they support the dogma of the Satanist.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 17:05 | 6872648 Lucky Leprachaun
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Luciferian would be more accurate than Satanism but other than that with you all the way.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:24 | 6871689 Joe A
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Hehehe.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:38 | 6871775 Intoxicologist
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Lol, there went a perfectly good bite of carrot cake!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:42 | 6871815 jaxville
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  Hey Joe .... Explain the eye and how nature created it through evolution.  The scientific theories concerning that specifically and evolution in general are quite weak.  They still have not found a missing like that connects humans to other primates.  We still have yet to create life in a laboratory in spite of all the theories suggesting how a chemical goo was exposed to energy in the form of lightning and life evolved.

  Science has many answers but there remain many things science cannot resolve.  Perhaps it is a result of our limited understanding or perhaps there is something more to it.

  For many years I turned my back on my Christian faith embracing what I thought was pure reason.  I now understand how little science can really explain about many things.  I now understand how important Christian values are to continuity of our Western civilization and identifying those who seek to undermine it.  Eyes wide open?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 17:54 | 6872843 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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Science

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means”

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 00:16 | 6874193 Joe A
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Well, the universe is a big place now, isn't it? Not something that happened overnight and certainly not in 'seven days'. It took billions of years and many generations of natural selection for life to evolve. Science researches and tries to explain with current theories and techniques life, the universe and everything in it. Powerful techniques and methodologies have been developed over the centuries and they are valid until something better is developed.

So, you say science pretty much doesn't nail it but zealots a couple of thousands of years ago found the answer in a cave somewhere? Meh...

One needs to make a distinction between faith and religion. Both are powerful things. Faith in my view is psychology. Life is brutal and hard. And short for many people. People need an explanation and they need hope. Religion is organized faith and comes with codes of conduct invented by men. It shapes cultures and societies. You can say that Christian values are the base of our Western society but I beg to differ. The foundations of Western society and its scientific knowledge and tradition of freedom of expression were laid by the ancient Greek, Egyptians and Persians. The Romans profited from it until they converted to Christianity. Then all that knowledge was locked up and hidden from view and Europe's advanchement was stalled for almost a thousand years. God could not be doubted. If you did you could end up burning at the stake. It was only after the Reformation that that stranglehold on society by the glergy was broken and the modern sciences and its inventions could continue where they were stopped almost a thousand years earlier.

Freedom, democracy and liberalism (as in the true sense of the word, not the hijacked version to describe leftism) are the basis of Western civilisation, not some dribblings of zealots (of whom many never even met Christ).

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:50 | 6871893 Sedaeng
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I do not know of how NWO applies to Secular Humanism. 

Secular Humanism:

The philosophy or life stance of secular humanism ... embraces human reason, ethics, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition as the basis of morality and decision making.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 17:55 | 6872848 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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They USE it, they don't adhere to it.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:59 | 6871186 SpanishGoop
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No matter what, you just have to love that Putin.

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:10 | 6871247 CuttingEdge
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He has bigger balls than the combined EU/US political elite.

Which is really a sad indictment of the monkeys we have all elected as lawmakers.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:21 | 6871299 sdmjake
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Nope--I don't love that Putin. He is just another power loving sociopath. However, I respect his ability to appear as the only rational actor on the stage of this shitshow at present.

I detest the way the US government has acted through all this (and a million other instances leading to this). Wish we could get one good public servant working -of,by,& for the people- to make things better for everyday folks. Sucks it is a pipe dream {and we are stuck applauding some asshole for being less "assholie" than the next guy}.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:29 | 6871719 Babalooee
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This is certainly not something that would have interested Neal

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:06 | 6872006 sdmjake
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Good catch--few recognize.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:06 | 6871982 Volkodav
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better look definition of sociopath instead of show ignorance

VV Putin is positve for Russian society

                    http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-years-of-putin-rule-in-one-infograph.html

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:10 | 6872032 sdmjake
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 know the definition and believe it applicable to Putin as it is to most politicians. Almost a pre-requisite to holding high office these days IMO.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:08 | 6871238 ptoemmes
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Hmmm..I'm beginning to think the USA are bad "guys" - in a sea of bad "guys" mind you.

 

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:12 | 6871260 Max Steel
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It's time to blow their virginity.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:15 | 6871270 booboo
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Historical Irony: Mr. Erdogan.......put up that wall

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:18 | 6871283 WTFUD
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Instead of these pathetic souls who queue sleep for several days over the Christmas period to purchase the 40% discounted 100 inch flat screen TV they should be up and alert and ready to listen out for the further evidence Russia will supply next week as to the complicit Turkish/Daesh oil theft which sponsors their Terrorism.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:29 | 6871310 Two dogs
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UK Defence Secretary Michael Fallon, disclosed that the aircraft were using Paveway bombs and had “dealt a real blow” to the Isis-controlled oilfields.  (Guardian) Would they be the same oilfields that were destroyed back in October?

2015, Oct 23: US operations officer Major Michael Filanowski told reporters in Baghdad the Omar oil field was blitzed, heavily damaging the lucrative funding source for ISIS. "There were 26 targets and all 26 were struck.” Express

"The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights confirmed the destruction of the oil field, pipelines and storage facilities." Yes, yes, I know that The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is just one guy working part-time from his terraced house in England. But The Guardian treat him as a reliable source, so it must be true. Right?

Anyway, I've looked a bit further into this and I'm thinking that earlier claims may have been exaggerated slightly. The US apears to have left lots and lots of stuff for others to have a go at. For example, there is a video of the Russian Air Force having a great time destroying oil storage and tanker trucks that the Americans missed here.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:47 | 6871421 HowdyDoody
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One of the images released by the Russians showing the scale of the TurkISIS oil business.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVO8Z4AW4AAkoj4.jpg

Two Tornados with 6 Paveways are going to a have a significant impact on that scale of operation, assuming the Brits were actually targetting anything other than sand. /sarc

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:11 | 6871562 Two dogs
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Without the video, we may never know. These things (cold-war-relic Tornados) maybe don't have video - or maybe it's VHS and they just can't get the tapes any more :0)

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:17 | 6871640 HowdyDoody
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They carry a modern target-marking pod. I find it difficult to believe that does not record what happens.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:46 | 6871863 froze25
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All of that shit is recorded so that they can analyse it afterward. They will never release that because of National Security. They only release what they want to. More and more Pilots are saying very recently (after they retire) that they are told to stand by till they run out of fuel or are cleared to drop the bombs only after the people have left. So yeah they are dropping bombs some of the time but at empty targets or sand.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:59 | 6872623 Lucky Leprachaun
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The so-called "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" has been outed as a single guy living in a council flat in England who hasn't been near Syria for decades.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:24 | 6871316 gaoptimize
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Sick of the lies, radio talk show host and author of the best selling book Government Zero, Michael Savage annouced last week that he watches RT for news.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:16 | 6871638 commoncourtesy
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So do all of my family in the UK. It is the only place (apart from Zerohedge) where we hear some truth. We are sick of the lies we hear on the BBC (Bias Broadcasting Company).

It is a huge wake-up call when you realise you have been lied-to with Government propoganda through the media, educational 'His-story' books, TV, etc... for most of your life!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:31 | 6872185 Usura
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Michael Savage changed his name.  He used to be known as Michael Wiener.

His talk show would therefore be more appropriately called "Wiener Nation"

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:54 | 6872588 Lucky Leprachaun
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Savage/Wiener launched a 'savage' attack on American Rennaisance, the blandest of the blandest White nationalists. He's a Tribalist first and foremost, one on whom the realization has dawned that maybe turning America into Brazil might not be in their interests after all.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:32 | 6871359 frankly scarlet
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Greek proverb: "Those the Gods would destroy they first make mad".   who do we know besides Erdogan and crew who fit this model?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:49 | 6871469 NidStyles
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The Tribe.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 13:44 | 6871438 Usura
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Regime Change For Turkey

 

Looks like Russia has finally figured out how to play the PR game.  Compared to the US/Israeli version, the difference is that Russia does not need to fabricate any charges.  Just cause the truth to dribble out slowly and continuously.  Lets see if they start into the Israeli connection in ernest.  If they don't then I suspect that Russia is blackmailing the Israelis.  Looks to me like Poroshenko / Yatseniuk are pretty much fucked at this point.  Whats you gonna do now Nuland.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:20 | 6871659 HowdyDoody
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It is appearing in Israeli media. Globes, an Israeli business news portal has an article "Israel buys most oil smuggled from ISIS territory - report"

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article.aspx?did=1001084873

"Israel has in one way or another become the main marketer of IS oil. Without them, most ISIS-produced oil would have remained going between Iraq, Syria and Turkey,"

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:23 | 6872129 emersonreturn
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thanks for yet another great link, howdydoody.  this one's fabulous, israel boasting about something the WH protests/denies.  yes, israel can say & do whatsoever she pleases & the west will continue to filter, turn a blind eye, protect.  we are so fucked.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:50 | 6872575 Lucky Leprachaun
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In fairness the Israeli media is a hell of a lot more honest than the Western MSM. Ok, I know that's not saying a lot.....

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:38 | 6872531 bid the soldier...
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Don't forget it was Obama who declared this stolen oil to be kosher for Israel to buy.

Oil that is sold in quantity on the 'black market' reduces the demand on the legitimate market and forces the price lower.

The lower price hurts Russia's economy and lets the Negro think he's General Custard (sic).  

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:56 | 6871935 TAALR Swift
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Erdogan -- the Tony Soprano of politics.

He is a man who practices statecraft like a gangster running a strip club. In fact, the only difference is a gangster does so with more integrity and honor.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:22 | 6872452 commoncourtesy
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Are there dots to connect?

Are DUAL CITIZENS (USA/Israel) planning a Turkish regime change? Please see very interesting link (also posted earlier in this thread):

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/putin-orders-doomsday-plane-into-air-aft...

Is this the plan?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:02 | 6871558 smacker
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"spokesman Mark Toner told reporters that Washington is confident the Turkish government “is not complicit in Islamic State oil smuggling.” "

I saw Toner make that comment. He is playing with words.

Russia has not alleged that the "Turkish government" is complicit in ISIS illicit oil theft/smuggling, only Erdogan and family.

There is a difference.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:09 | 6871592 Two dogs
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The latest Toner presser was a classic! He's not just playing with words he's kicking the shit out of them.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:34 | 6871751 smacker
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I love this crap from Toner:

"What we have seen, in fact, is that ISIL relinquishes ownership and sells its oil at the wellhead in Syria and Iraq, and that oil is sold to smugglers, middlemen, truckers."

So, ISIS are not shipping stolen Syrian oil into Turkey because it's bought at the wellhead by truckers and middleman et al.

You couldn't make this bullshit up.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:07 | 6872362 Two dogs
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Maybe Toner has got something here.  After all, if the family are only dealing with middlemen, how bad is that? It's not like dealing in stolen goods is some kind of criminal act, is it? Even if it is, nobody could hold it against them if they are so clueless as to not even know they are clueless. Even financing terrorism is not necessariy to be held against the family if their minds are are so fucked up that they didn't know (or even think to ask) where all this easy money came from.

Maybe we should just see the family as victims here. Bad people have obviously taken advantage of their gullibility. They obviously need professional help from those experienced in dealing with the criminally stupid.  Oh, and some really good legal representation because: only by pleading insanity are these cunts going to be able to get away with this.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 16:08 | 6877091 smacker
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+1

Two very good comments. Thanks.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:20 | 6872438 Two dogs
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Speaking of not being able to make shit up: Up to 2 years in jail for taking the piss!  I'm not even sure if this is a spoof or not.  Nothing would surprise me any more in Turkey. One thing I am sure about is that if Erdogan pleads insanity I would believe him. It would be his first honest statement. Ever.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 16:07 | 6877083 smacker
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+1

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:52 | 6873056 Crocodile
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Are those the same truckers we gave 45 minutes notice before blowing up their trucks because they were just "ordinary people" and we felt the need to be humane?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:51 | 6871901 Volkodav
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other in govt are in deep also, and more to lesser extent

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:16 | 6871639 Pretty Maggie M...
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I'd just like to point out that "british" bombing of syria was voted against in westminster by every SNP MP, ie every sitting Scottish MP bar 3.

Any syrians/russians or iranians reading this should remember not to lump every nation of the UK together in this retardedness.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:23 | 6871677 HowdyDoody
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66 Blairite 'New Labour' MPs were principle enablers amongst the 'opposition'.

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:47 | 6871847 Volkodav
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Yes   problem is loundon...

scots are good people

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:46 | 6871856 commoncourtesy
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Pretty Maggie M...I sincerely apologise that your Country has been put in this position. Not all of us in the UK have been thoroughly brain-washed.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:19 | 6872096 Albertarocks
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Well stated.  And I'd like to point out that the morning after he swept the Canadian election, tossing Harper out with the landslide, the first thing PM Justin Trudeau did was call Obama the next morning to tell him Canada was pulling its jets from that area and would no long be bombing in Syria.  And of course Canada was bashed all to hell for that by certain interested parties.  That took balls on Trudeau's part, which is why we're starting to suspect he has the big cojones of his father.  His dad, Pierre Elliott Trudeau, was not popular in western Canada but he was a master statesman on the world scene, very highly respected.  So hang in there... there is hope for Canada yet.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:57 | 6872613 Urban Redneck
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Is this the same Trudeau who couldn't wait even three weeks to slobber on Bibi's cock?

Israel, Canada, USSA,  Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Nauru, and Palau vs. the rest of the world... against resolutions so reasonable that even the 4th Baron Rothschild couldn't motivate Teletubby Cameron and the UK Foreign Office to oppose them, and merely abstain.

There is no hope for Canada (or the US) without better utilization of lamp posts (or tar and feathers, which can be quite lethal in the real world, unlike in the sanitized history books).

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:07 | 6872884 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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"...very highly respected."

That depends who you ask.

 

 

Trudeau Sr. privatized Canada's money supply.

"The Canadian national debt when he took office (April 20, 1968) was $14B. When he left office (June 30, 1984,) it had reached $130B."

Trudeau Jr. is a globalist shill.

"He has been involved in making the job of PM obsolete. Elizabeth May (Green Party leader) as well as former PMs John Turner and Paul Martin (who once famously said that if you pay taxes in Canada, you need to get a new accountant) are also part of the same United Nations group which wants to do away with national sovereignty here in Canada, as well as in the rest of the world. This group is the United Nations Parliamentary Assembly (UNPA.)"

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:18 | 6873810 Albertarocks
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Yes... that depends who you ask.  As I said, he was very unpopular in the west.  Respected on the world scene.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:44 | 6872242 smacker
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Yeahbut ... Scotland voted against separation from the UK in the referendum. Right?

Seems to me Scots can't have it both ways.

 

... just saying :-)

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:39 | 6871782 bid the soldier...
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Putin the Classicist

Apparently Allah decided to punish the ruling clique in Turkey by taking their sanity.” 

"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad"

 

"Only mad Erdogans and Englishmen yada yada yada.... 

 

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 14:41 | 6871799 Noplebian
Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:46 | 6872998 Crocodile
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That is so accurate that you could fit it in the book of Daniel & Revelation; the point is people better take the BIBLE, God's word, seriously because as bad as all that is (UN Agenda 2030); that real place called hell will make "The Brave New World" seem like a paradise.

 

If people would see God's word for what it actually is, truth given to man by man's Creator and if we listened to and obeyed the commands of Jesus; this foolishness we are engaged in would come to a screeching halt.  God's entire purpose in creating humans is to display ALL of His attributes and that we would know HIM.  To know Him is to love Him and I have seen the transformations of lives, always for the good...most people who call themselves Christians can't even tell you what the gospel is, which means they do not know the Lord and are not Christians.

 

Consider: quit lying, quit stealing, quit committing fornication, quit envying other people's stuff and start loving; the world changes.  Consider that God made earth FOR man, not man for the earth.  We are commanded to subdue the earth, not allow the "earth worshipers" to subdue us.

 

In almost all respects; the way we think translates to how we talk and how we behave & is the very opposite of our Creator's ways and we see how this is turning out.  What is even worse God tells us the direction we are headed.  We have not seen, but the tip of the proverbial iceberg according to the word of God; we are going further away from our Creator, the one who cares so much He made us in His image and gave His Son to die in our place.  We are eternal beings; that voice in your head is the inner man; it does not die.  An honest self examination of the thoughts, words, and deeds reveals all of this is true.  Yes we do some good things, but what is the motivation?  Most of the time the good we do we do because we do it to make our selves feel good; it is why we get mad when it is not reciprocated.

 

I say all this because I really care about everyone and I am certain of the end-game and it will be real ugly for most people and for no good reason.  Willful ignorance will not be an excuse for neglecting your eternal destination.  Test the Lord, open your Bible and read John 1:1-14, then Psalm 19...thye are true.  http://www.biblestudytools.com/csb/psalms/19.html , then http://www.biblestudytools.com/csb/john/passage/?q=john+1:1-14

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:04 | 6871977 Albertarocks
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I'm trying to remember when was the last time the world had such an honest and logical leader, a true statesman on the global level, as Putin.  The guy is a rock star in that theatre and the whole world is quickly beginning to realize that.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:40 | 6873877 Soundgardener
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Next time you're wiping his jizz off your chin, ask yourself how many TENS OF BILLIONS he's worth.

He's arguably less of a moron than most of his ilk, but he's still a crook and a control freak. The reason the elites in the west act like they do is BECAUSE THEY CAN. Or have been able to up 'til now. The populace is by-and-large more interested in bread and circuses, and the media don't publish the truth anyway so it's a moot point. Military bases all over the world, huge chunk of the world's GDP etc. Russia enjoys no such advantage, so they deploy another tactic: skill.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 01:20 | 6874344 bid the soldier...
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Link us to some of the tens of billions. (well, at least ten billion)

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 01:46 | 6874394 Albertarocks
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Have you 'always' been this classy of a human being?  Or is this something new for you?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:05 | 6871990 slammin_dude
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Dudes, Putin is on fire!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:37 | 6872519 Crocodile
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Putin is part of the elite; don't ever forget that - everyone.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:11 | 6872044 Herdee
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How Russia exposed and smashed Obama's CIA operation which brought down a Russian jet fighter:

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324563-isis-russia-turkey-syria/

american taxpayers subsidize ISIS terrorists.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:14 | 6872061 BlussMann
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Westerners are such faggots anymore, just let Putin handle it !!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:48 | 6872263 Noplebian
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"Allah Took Turkey's Sanity" Putin Says

Now that's fighting talk.......the agenda rolls on......

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/road-to-ww3-time-to...


Thu, 12/03/2015 - 15:52 | 6872283 SharkBit
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Curious as to where this is all going...  Good analysis.

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/324215-russian-jet-turkey-terrorism/

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:35 | 6872514 Crocodile
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"Washington is confident the Turkish government “is not complicit in Islamic State oil smuggling.”

 

The question not asked; who is not complicit given that IS, ISIS or ISIL are funded by the West, trained by the US, and supplied by NATO???  These large oil deals can't be done apart from money laundering from the tentacles of the BIS, which means every major nation in the world knows how it is done.  

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 16:56 | 6872604 Two dogs
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"Washington is confident . . ." You really should have stopped reading at that point :o)

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:40 | 6873004 Low IQ fan of VVP
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'Allah punished Turkey by taking their sanity away', so 'allahu akbar'? </sarc>

Actually, to be dealing with ISIS, wouldn't you had to have lost your sanity in the first place?

Disclaimer: 'allahu akbar' literally means 'Allah is Great' if translated from its Chinese-equivalent to English

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 00:34 | 6874237 onmail1
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The game is this:

America first uses its puppets to attack , bleed & wound you

when you become too weak , America comes to front 

and tries to finish the war & claims victory 

(Learn from WW2)

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All the politics, anywhere in the world, is for only one thing

MONEY

Find who is the beneficiary of money & you can find the criminal

 

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