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General Wesley Clark: ISIS Serves Interests Of US Allies Turkey And Saudi Arabia

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Submitted by Claire Bernish via TheAntiMedia.org,

"Let’s be very clear: ISIS is not just a terrorist organization; it is a Sunni terrorist organization. That means it blocks and targets Shi’a. And that means it’s serving the interests of Turkey and Saudi Arabia - even as it poses a threat to them." - Retired Gen. Wesley Clark

Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander General and retired U.S. General Wesley Clark revealed in an interview with CNN that the Islamic State (Daesh, ISIS) remains geostrategically imperative to Sunni nations, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, as they clamor for strategic power over Shi’a nations, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. He explained that “neither Turkey nor Saudi Arabia want an Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon ‘bridge’ that isolates Turkey, and cuts Saudi Arabia off.”

When asked by the CNN host if Russian President Vladimir Putin’s suggestion that Turkey was “aiding ISIS” had any validity, he responded:

“All along there’s always been the idea that Turkey was supporting ISIS in some way. We know they’ve funneled people going through Turkey to ISIS. Someone’s buying that oil that ISIS is selling; it’s going through somewhere - it looks to me like it’s probably going through Turkey - but the Turks haven’t acknowledged that.”

After explaining this virtual gateway for the Islamic State’s oil, Clark was quick to emphasize that Putin’s allegations about Turkey’s support for terrorist organization, ISIS, aren’t without their own hypocrisy. Russia, of course, has been upholding President Bashar al-Assad’s administration in Syria against rebel groups backed by the U.S. — despite continuing denials by U.S. officials that that particular theater is its primary interest in the region.

He said, “Putin would like to dirty Turkey by saying it’s supporting terrorists, but the truth is that he’s supporting terrorists. I mean, the tactics used by the Assad regime have been terror tactics. They’re dropping barrel bombs on innocent civilians.”

Clark concludes the interview with a statement that encapsulates growing sentiment of many Westerners who’ve grown war-weary with such geopolitical wrangling overseas:

“There’s no good guy in this - this is a power struggle for the future of the Middle East.”

 

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Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:32 | 6872960 Yen Cross
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  Here we go... NATO is beginning to distance itself, from Erdoghan.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:43 | 6873018 BennyBoy
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And who do Turkey and Saudi Arabia serve the interest of?

 

U....S....A

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:46 | 6873030 Occident Mortal
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It's a good job there are no terrorist harbouring Sunni Muslim countries that have nuclear weapons... What? Pakistan?

 

Oh.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:06 | 6873064 mvsjcl
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Don't believe a thing this douche sez. A total tool of the enemy.

 

"And that means it’s serving the interests of Turkey and Saudi Arabia - even as it poses a threat to them."

 

What fucking bull shit. Can't throw more confusion out there if you tried.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:08 | 6873112 The Pope
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Wesley Clark = REGGIE LOVE (now u know)

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:20 | 6873168 knukles
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Well, that sure clears that shit up.
Now, who the fuck is on whose side?
       Glad I came today

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:36 | 6873238 Yen Cross
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lol... Knuks, if you live long enough, you get to tell your friends what it feels like to be "fucked sideways". :-)

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:40 | 6873254 y3maxx
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ISIS equals Shia

&

NATO equals illegal oil transport company.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:02 | 6873311 Axie
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Wesley Clark's army dropped cluster bombs on civilians, they dropped them on a city centre (hospital wing, bus station) in 1999.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_bombing_of_Ni%C5%A1  Talk me about terrorist supporter...

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:41 | 6873462 TRM
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And the constant "barrel bomb" references like that is a chem/bio weapon of mass destruction or something. How is that different than all those napalm bombs the USA dropped on civilians?

Which brings me to the point of since when has the USA been so concerned about civilian casualties? Only when it suits them like now. Certainly not WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq twice, and on and on. 90% of the victims of drones are innocent civilians.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:55 | 6873509 wee-weed up
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So... is Wussley Clark (Clinton's perfumed general) now considering another run for President?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:22 | 6873594 847328_3527
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No worries; Barry is importing 100,000 of them but promises to "Vet" them with some tough questions:

 

Q: "Are you a tearrists?"

 

A: "No."

 

Q: "Then you can pass."

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:02 | 6873725 Fish Gone Bad
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ISIS killed all those innocent French peoples. Turkey likes ISIS. Therefore Turkey likes killing French people. I used to think Wesley Clark was a stand up guy. Now he's an apologist.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:48 | 6873886 Anonymous User
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Turkey is Uncle Sam's bitch.  

ISIS is just "the other woman" they just happen to share

http://goo.gl/7tHnDu

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 02:55 | 6874479 jeff montanye
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i don't understand all the up votes for ""And that means it’s serving the interests of Turkey and Saudi Arabia - even as it poses a threat to them."

What fucking bull shit. Can't throw more confusion out there if you tried."

wesley clarke may be any number of bad things but daesh is serving the interests of turkey and saudi as those countries understand their interests.  clarke even notes the threat daesh is to those countries, a threat becoming more real each day, thanks to the transparency forced on the sunnis and the west by putin.

p.s. anonymous above is right about turkey, isis and the u.s., imo.  where he must be wrong (downvotes) is in the porn sequence he links.  at least it's on point and the girl appears to be arab and quite good looking.  skin's running a bit thin here for a fight club, methinks.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 04:43 | 6874580 Gazooks
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'i don't understand all the up votes for "And that means it’s serving the interests of Turkey and Saudi Arabia - even as it poses a threat to them." 'What fucking bull shit. Can't throw more confusion out there if you tried."

 

Simply because IS poses absolutely no current threat to Turkey or the fucking murderous Saudi's as proxy for both, ..as well as proxy for Israel & US hegemonic interests. 

 

Clark's role is deflecting awareness of rampant duplicity. Fucking bullshit, in sum.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 05:55 | 6874667 TheBeatles
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All 1oz Silver coins are €12 @ EurGold

 

https://www.eurgold.eu/silver/silver-coins/

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:03 | 6873737 Troll Magnet
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I sniffed some glue and this like makes total sense, dude.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 23:13 | 6873977 COL Jackson
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Q:  "What is your name"

A: "Aachmed"

Q: "What is your quest"

A: "I seek the land of the great satan"

Q: "Are you a terrorist"

A: "Yes uh I mean noo.. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 07:18 | 6874733 Dental Floss Tycoon
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With allies like the saudis and Turkey who needs enemies?

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 07:35 | 6874747 Anasteus
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Obama: Russia should be more focused on ISIS and less on the US supporting them via moderate rebels.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 00:59 | 6874312 Johnny Horscaulk
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+1000

The us, israel, saudis and brits have zero right to lecture anybody on war crimes. And most though not necessarily all of the reports I have seen were false or not substantiated at all, like the repeated claims of assad gassing--- his own alawite supporters near the inspectors he allowed in.

i think the control and lockdown of the corporate, zionist msm should be a much larger story and worry than it appears to be.

We do not have a free press when 90% unpacks the same neocon Orwellization of the facts.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 02:48 | 6874475 PeakOil
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We sure as hell don't have a free press - anywhere in the West. However, through the internet & diffusion, the masses are slowly starting to realize that something the fuck does not add up.

In Canada have been closely watching an institution I used to respect. Our Ministry of Truth, a.k.a. the CBC, to its utter horror, now understands that natives are getting very restless. A majority of commenters on recent ME stories trust Putin more than they do the statements of NATO. 

Interesting times.

 

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 01:42 | 6874385 Meat Hammer
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Hey, look over there! A bad guy!

Bang!

You're dead. Idiot.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 09:46 | 6875054 J Jason Djfmam
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Ah, the fog of the lead-up to war.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:12 | 6873131 lincolnsteffens
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Assad is no friend of mine but when Clark brings up "barrel bombs on innocent civilians" to point out how evil Assad is, Clark falls a little short in not identifying the actions of Uncle Sam since 2001 as the greater dispenser of death.

Clark is a tool for mind control. What was his role in Viet Nam? What did he say about innocent civilians being bombed?? Did Viet Nam attack the USA???

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:26 | 6873193 chiswickcat
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Barrel bomb, cruise missile, drone, what's the evil difference? Killing those innocents abroad ir at home, what's the moral difference?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:01 | 6873333 Doubleguns
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The problem begins when we try to turn war into something moral. It can't be done.

 

Folks want to pick the person they kill, usually someone elses son sent there by his country. So how is that more moral than the old man/woman/mother/you name it, working in the factory making the bombs and bullets or feeding the front line force etc..... There is nothing moral in this hell hole. It can not be made moral and thinking it can be will only lead to insanity. 

War will never be moral.

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:57 | 6873519 SgtShaftoe
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I beg to differ.  War is moral if someone that has the capability and intent to kill you attacks you and you fight back.  Discussions of moral high ground used to be military doctrine.  He who holds the moral high ground usually wins the conflict.  It comes down to the non-agression principle.  "Do not initiate violence against any human being."  If someone attacks you, you have the natural right to defend yourself. 

 

BTW, Clarke did say one thing interesting a long time ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 03:07 | 6874504 jeff montanye
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you make at least three excellent points.  indeed self defense is moral.  and believing in the morality of one's cause does increase morale which, all other things being equal or at least in the same order of magnitude, often ushers victory.  that so many of the "enemies" of israel and the u.s. have been orders of magnitude weaker accounts for what victories they have found (fewer and fewer as time passes).

and third, boy howdy is clarke's revelation about the plan to invade seven countires in five years that came down from rumsfeld and wolfowitz (and, probably, tel aviv) of supreme importance in understanding u.s./israeli foreign policy since 2001.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 07:03 | 6874722 Ghordius
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further, war can be justified. never "just", only justified by circumstances

and, more important then a lot of other considerations, wars can be fought in a manner as civilized as possible

and this is one of the greatest fears of some weasels that dwell in Washington

that what the barbarians of Daesh/ISIS call "The Coalition of Devils" is going to wage a civilized war against them

Like treating prisoners as POWs, or respecting age-old rules, or even respecting the Geneva Conventions

Indeed, this could go as far as recognizing Daesh/ISIS as sovereign, with an army, a government, a flag and a territory (the usual qualifications)...

... and then proceed to take every and each of those attributes of sovereignty away from them, up to "sovereign extinction"

and this leads the whole back to moral high ground

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 11:22 | 6875454 Doubleguns
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War is moral if someone that has the capability and intent to kill you attacks you and you fight back. 

 

And when you end up killing the children of those attackers you feel that is moral? It is not. 

 

War can be less evil but war is evil and if we enter into it all efforts to end it as fast as possible should be used, even if that means using bombs across the entire country like we did to Germany or Japan. There is nothing moral about any of it so just get it over as fast as possible. Crush the enemy and end it. Do not try to make it a moral endevor. It cant be done. 

 

We have been fighting and killing folks in Afganistan for 14 years now. That is so much worse than getting in there and ending it in 2-3 years and being done with it. Nope we have to fight a "moral' fight and drag this on for the familys, children etc.... of that country for 14 years. THAT is more immoral. 

 

War can not be made moral. Period. Folks that think so are nuts. Wars could go on fo ever if we try to make them moral. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:48 | 6873280 runswithscissors
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Clark is the same TRAITOR who wants to put Americans who disagree with the government into re-education camps

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 09:43 | 6875044 justdues
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Is Clark jewish ? just asking

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 23:16 | 6873990 COL Jackson
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How else do you think he made 4 stars.  He's not that bright.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 00:24 | 6874202 caconhma
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" Here we go... NATO is beginning to distance itself, from Erdogan"

No. A Turkey F-16 could not by itself locate, track, activate his weapon system, and fire his missiles in just 10-20 second the Russian jet was supposedly it Turkey airspace.

According to various sources, it was a combined US, Turkey, and Saudi operation. This operation was prepared and approved well in advance  by Turkey president and the White House. 

It was a very complicated operation:

- US AWACS spy aircraft together with US intelligent satellites in realtime were tracking the Russian jet from the moment it took off from a Syrian airfield. Saudi AWACS aircraft also participated in the operation. This tracking info was in realtime fed to the Turkish F-16 flight and weapon-control systems. This info was used to guide/direct Turkish F-16 to the Russian aircraft and at the appropriate moment activate F-16 weapon fire system.

- However, a Turkish pilot somehow did not follow the US tracking & control guidance accurately. Consequently, it fired his weapon systems when Russian aircraft was well inside the Syrian airspace.

Putin knows this but did not want to start a major escalation with the USA and Turkey. Russia is military weak. It uses old 1980s vintage aircrafts and is not in a position for a conventional conflict with US and NATO. Yes, Russia is a nuclear superpower but naturally Putin could not and did not want to escalate this incident into a major nuclear confrontation. Russia today is not the Soviet Union.

It was not an accident. Putin was tested and he lost. The White House also knows this but it also does not want further escalation at this time.

Finally, as long as Russia and Iran do not closely coordinate their military operations in Syria, Russia is cooked!

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 03:34 | 6874513 jeff montanye
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you may be correct on the genesis and operation of the russian plane shootdown but i don't know that you are right on the military capabilities of russia vs. the u.s.

russia is close to being the equal of the u.s. in missiles: conventional, nuclear, cruise, anti-aircraft, ballistic, whatever.

in addition russia appears to have a jamming weapon that renders nearly powerless whatever opposing weapons system it targets.

http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2015/11/13/Russias-Syria-operation-r...

http://fortune.com/2015/12/02/russia-working-out-missiles/

http://osnetdaily.com/2015/10/russian-jamming-system-blocks-all-nato-ele...

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 03:58 | 6874550 trulz4lulz
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in addition russia appears to have a jamming weapon that renders nearly powerless whatever opposing weapons system it targets.

yeah well isis or whatever it is has swords and horses and shit. i dont care how good your electronic warfare is, its not affecting a horse...isis comming at you....russia....

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 06:55 | 6874710 gonetogalt
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I've often wondered if this is literal:

Rev 38. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. and again:
Rev 38. 15 Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army.

  But the politics don't seem quite right yet... Beware the Lamb!!!

 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:29 | 6873199 Mentaliusanything
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ISIS ...it is a Sunni terrorist organization. That means it blocks and targets Shi’a. And that means it’s serving the interests of Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

Well I'll be an OBozo clown. WE SUPPORT Terrorists. Reap what you sow you confused brain dead Man. Your actions are a crime against humanity because without your backing some 14 USA citizens would be alive in the USA and millions would not be displaced. Who do you serve Sir? Stupid is as Stupid does old Son.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:55 | 6873302 Johnny Horscaulk
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This was definitely not supposed to happen. It seems that an Israeli military man with the rank of colonel was “caught with IS pants down.” By that I mean he was captured amid a gaggle of so-called IS – or Islamic State or ISIS or DAESH depending on your preference – terrorists, by soldiers of the Iraqi army. Under interrogation by the Iraqi intelligence he apparently said a lot regarding the role of Netanyahu’s IDF in supporting IS.

http://wearechange.org/israeli-colonel-among-isis-forces-in-iraq/

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 00:27 | 6874222 samsara
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You had some great posts in the last 5 weeks Johnny.  Welcome to ZH. 

Thanks.   (liked your bio btw.)

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 01:05 | 6874322 Johnny Horscaulk
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Thank you, Sir!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:36 | 6873444 Supafly
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Sandwiching!  Like your boss does when you're fucking up.  "You're doing a great job, but theres is this little problem.  You're doing a great job."  Keeping your focus on the "positive".

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:52 | 6873497 JustObserving
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there are no terrorist harbouring Sunni Muslim countries that have nuclear weapons... What? Pakistan?

Kargil war: Pakistan planned to drop nuclear bomb on India during conflict, says former CIA officer

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 22:05 | 6878688 Gonzogal
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The US has placed nukes in Turkey along with the bombers to deliver them! 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:50 | 6873051 Babalooee
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And as it should be known...USISIS

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:01 | 6873084 Baby Bladeface
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Clark is perform damage control for Vichy DC. They know Russia has conclusive evidence on ties between Erdogan and ISIS. They afraid of what other info might seek light of day.

This statement shows US knows all arguments it has to support Erdogan lack even flimsiest grip on credibility. So Clark job is to throw under bus while still hammering the US propaganda "barrel bombs", "Assad must go", "killing of own people".

Is last ditch desperate attempt to somehow tar Russia as "supports terrorist Assad". Grasping for straws, stench of desperation, final screechs of monkey sinking below quicksand.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:59 | 6873326 August
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+1 for the "monkey in quicksand".

Great metaphor for US foreign policy, with the proviso that the monkey can also launch nuclear weapons.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:13 | 6873373 nmewn
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Now see, if "the good general" could have just held his ground and let his opponents destroy themselves...with for its-before against its...the Dean scream and popping by to see the wife dying of cancer in the hospital before heading over to the mistress...he could have had his face on the dollar bill by now!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:18 | 6873385 BlindMonkey
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It is just awful to kill civilians with barrel bombs with no guidance at all.  The things can fall willy nilly and indiscriminately kill with no respect to the original target.

 

It is much more humane to knowingly blast a hospital with a precision Spectre gunship for an hour full well knowing what you are shooting at.  

 

'murica.  

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 23:32 | 6874061 Kobe Beef
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One thing Clark said rings true:

"There are no good guys"

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 00:23 | 6874214 samsara
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You got it BB

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 22:14 | 6878725 Gonzogal
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The US will be saying shortly that "Erdogan must go" or he will be knocked off, because I am sure that the US, EU, Saudio Arabia and Israel dont want the details about how they support ISIS to be made public by Erdogan. 

Of course there is more and more info coming out at least on the web about this, but most people dont care and so dont know.  Somehow I dont think that the ordinary citizens of the US especially get told what Putin has revealed so far by the government owned MSM.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:51 | 6873291 Johnny Horscaulk
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Only by understanding the true origin of the Dönmeh of Turkey
and the Wahhabi of Saudi Arabia will the Greater Israel Project
and the ongoing Syrian Holocaust be properly understood.

The entire Arab Spring — from start to finish — was planned in the capitals of the Zio-Anglo-American Axis just as each revolution was manufactured in the various Middle Eastern capitals.

Every protest and riot throughout the Arab Spring was staged, just as every revolution and civil war had been fabricated in those nations which the Axis powers had targeted for a government overthrow.

In fact, not a single Arab Spring event has occurred without the fastidious planning and precision coordination of the CIA and MI6, DGSE and MOSSAD. The Western powers not only engineered every government overthrow in the Mideast, as they continue to do so, they have been very careful to execute each coup d’état in such a way that the newly installed leaders are always loyal to them, not their respective citizenries.

Only with this understanding can the current Mideast wars and conflicts, genocides and holocausts, refugee crises and exoduses be comprehended. Looking through the lens of history, particularly the most cataclysmic events of the 20th century, will likewise inform one’s understanding that history is once again repeating itself.
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=25505

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 03:44 | 6874537 jeff montanye
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particularly like the parallels with the axis powers' subversion of governments.

the israelis learned a great deal from the nazis.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 22:19 | 6878750 Gonzogal
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And while the world is focused on Syria, Iraq, ISIS, terrorism, the US is performing the same ritual "regime change" in Latin America, in both Brazil and Argentina.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43594.htm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-02/brazil-devolves-full-blown-poli...

GLADIO ops just never stop working!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:16 | 6873150 Sanity Bear
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Turkey serves it's own government's interests and the US government is bought and paid for by the Saudis.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:55 | 6873306 Winston Churchill
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Wot, no mention of Israels desperate fear of dehydration ?

Fall back cover story now everything is starting to unravell.

Zicon scum rising to the top now the heat has been turned on.

The gas pipeline was the first cover,now this,whats next ?

Theres are always three at least.SoP.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:53 | 6873506 Sanity Bear
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This may come as a shock, so sit down before reading. There are actually people on the planet who are not Israeli or Jewish with both the will and capability to act in their own interests. This "everything is a Zionist plot" obsession is a) really old at this point; and b) is making a mockery of ZH.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:02 | 6873531 GhostOfDiogenes
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" This "everything is a Zionist plot" obsession is a) really old at this point; and b) is making a mockery of ZH."

Aweww......Do you ziobots need your 'safe space' now, from reality?
A pillow for your head?

I find it simply amazing how evil the ziopath's and their apologists are.

"Morally insane" is the precise term for your kind.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:17 | 6873581 Sanity Bear
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Your obsession is a pathology. It's hard to read the comments here sometimes when every article, no matter how unrelated to anything Jewish it is, is spammed with the same old same old, day in and day out.

 

And of course everyone who disagrees with your crazy is part of the plot, a classic hallmark of paranoid delusion.

 

I have absolutely no problem with Jew-bashing when it's actually on topic. When it's obsessive-compulsive as has increasingly been the case here in recent weeks, it's called SPAMMING.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:43 | 6873664 GhostOfDiogenes
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Since the discussions of the ME are on this site, and jews in israel are buying oil from turkey, and still murdering innocents and causing mayhem by controlling isis and their money supply, how can israel and jews not be a conversation on this page that dicsusses geopolitical and money matters?

It's perfectly simple. If you have truth behind you, there is no reason to fear the truth about jews.

If you cannot stand I there are lots of other SAFE SPACES you can SLITHER off too with your judeo pathological propaganda umkay poochkins?

Cause it obvious you cannot disprove of what the anti-khazars say, right?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:43 | 6873887 Sanity Bear
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No seriously, there is something extremely wrong with you in particular and your brain is not functioning in a healthy manner.

 

10 days on this site and you've racked up nearly 250 posts - one post an hour day and night.

 

Get out of your parents' basement, get a job, and you might find that there are other things that exist in the world besides evil Zionist plots.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 02:14 | 6874437 ThirdWorldDude
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Hollow ad hominem attacks in response to substantial questions... how quaint!

________________________________________

The Yinon Plan and the role of ISIS

A Clean Break: A New Strategy For Securing The Realm

Can you debunk this?

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 03:47 | 6874538 jeff montanye
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crickets.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 03:06 | 6874499 kingvaclav
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Your argument is the trick that gets repeated over and over. Call the opponent "delusional" and "crazy", wash, rinse, repeat. It is a one trick pony and it is becoming  less and less effective.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118094/3866155-9151858680-

 

 

 

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 03:48 | 6874539 jeff montanye
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that and "antisemitic".

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:03 | 6873341 BlueViolet
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Seriously! It's crap s#!t like this that very soon will cause Americans to be NOT welcomed in the Middle East  >> http://bit.ly/1PSXaoK

 

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 01:15 | 6874340 Sid James
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And who do Turkey and Saudi Arabia serve the interest of?

I....S....L....A....M

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 02:32 | 6874451 Charming Anarchist
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Who the hell is Islam???? and what are his interests?

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 08:26 | 6874811 silvermail
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"...Assad regime have been terror tactics. They’re dropping barrel bombs on innocent civilians... who were initially armed with new American machine guns and now the American anti-tank missiles. "

But they certainly are very peaceful. And very reasonable "moderate rebels". They are just "good moderate rebels", but not "armed rebels and thugs." So to say "political opposition", only with machine guns and missiles.

- My question number 1: Which country in the world, "the rebels and thugs armed with machine guns and missiles", will be referred to as a "moderate rebels"?
IN USA? In Britain? In Germany? In France?

- My question No. 2: Who gave the president the US, Britain, Germany or France, the legal right to determine and grading the "degree of moderation terrorists and armed rebels" in other countries?

- My question number 3: NATO has a legitimate right to decide what kind of a leader "must go" against the will of the peoples of other sovereign countries that are not members of NATO?
Since when these matters are the responsibility of NATO? Since when is a matter of choosing a national leader through democratic elections, it was removed from the people of the sovereign countries of the world and transferred to the competence of NATO?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:43 | 6873021 gafgroocK
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Hey Wesley, you dumb Fuck!

 

Tell us somethinbg we DON"T Know, will ya?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:57 | 6873069 MillionDollarAnus
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Junked for improper use of the shift key. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:15 | 6873141 lincolnsteffens
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Nah, he was just trying to scream loudly enough so Clark could hear him.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:57 | 6873070 Whalley World
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Barrel Bombs, for fuck sakes, this from the same assholes that came up with Enduring Freedom, Desert Storm, Patriot Missles....

American propaganda is not even creative anymore!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:07 | 6873104 Baby Bladeface
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US propaganda has decreased in quality. Back in the days, US propaganda was high quality and took a deep introspection to be debunked.

This Clark guy provides worthless drivel that reads like a guy who participated to a game and is now whining because he is on the losing side.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:30 | 6873213 TurnwiseWiddershins
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Decreased in quality, but increased in quantity.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:38 | 6873249 McMolotov
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Much like Chinese hookers.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:50 | 6873287 TurnwiseWiddershins
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Apparently Greek ones too.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:05 | 6873539 GhostOfDiogenes
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I have never met a Chinese hooker.

Lots of Koreans.

But hard to tell difference.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:10 | 6873559 Analog
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Pussy is pussy, take what you can get, eh?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:21 | 6873154 McMolotov
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Just like everything else on your list, "barrel bomb" is a dumbed-down, easy-to-consume soundbite. This is why the US sticks to stuff like depleted uranium and white phosphorus when committing atrocities. No one's gonna remember that fancy-ass shit and associate it with Uncle Sam, but you can be sure people hear "barrel bomb" and immediately think of Syria and Assad.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 22:32 | 6878798 Gonzogal
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They dont need more creative propaganda...brain-dead Americans just lap it up and believe every word

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:47 | 6873038 L Bean
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Theater. They can't just quit cold Turkey.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:48 | 6873039 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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Someone please put this guy in an internment camp for his extreme anti-collation views. After all he said that if US citizens don't go along with the plan they should be put in camps. F this guy. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:02 | 6873086 BullyBearish
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U.S. Government to terrorist: "here's your money and your guns, now go kill someone"

U.S. Government to citizen: "gimme your money and your guns and go shopping"

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:12 | 6873774 BarkingCat
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Shopping for guns?

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 22:34 | 6878801 Gonzogal
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They have to get extra guns for ISIS somewhere....

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:15 | 6873140 Noplebian
Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:18 | 6873162 Blankone
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From Yen - Here we go... NATO is beginning to distance itself, from Erdoghan.

That is not my take on it.  I hear him saying that Turkey may be assisting and may be buying the oil but that it is in the interest of the greater good and than even if ISIS has done some bad things they also serve the interests of Saudi Arabia and thus also serve the interest of the US.  He then labels Russia and Assad as simply equals of ISIS.

If anything he sets the stage for the protection of ISIS and cooperation with them when boots are in Syria.  Or bombing Syrians to support ISIS and no longer hiding. it.

His statements also lay the groundwork for claims that an evil alliance is occuring that will seperate US allies with a land bridge and this is a threat and an attempt to take over control of the ME - and thus it is in national interests to take military action directly against those countries to prevent this.  This would of course include preparing for actions against Iran, intitially to drive Iran out of Syria and Iraq.

Have to wait for what starts to happen but my take is that they are moving closer to Erdoghan, or at least to Turkey, while admitting and justifying why Erdoghan may be working with ISIS.  Combine this with Germany and England preparing to become active in Syria and you have the potential for greater NATO commitment not less.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:15 | 6873794 BarkingCat
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I seem to have misplaced my map; which state
borders Syria?

I am not familiar with names of states #51 thru 57.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 04:07 | 6874555 trulz4lulz
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Dumbfuckistan, Murikistan, Cuntvilia, Saint Dick (Cheney), New Yankee, Bushdirkastan, and Israel.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 04:45 | 6874587 Klemens
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US drone whistleblowers have their bank accounts frozen

http://www.hangthebankers.com/us-drone-whistleblowers-bank-accounts/

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:32 | 6872961 Allen_H
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Fuck you terrorist cunt !

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:50 | 6873046 chunga
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Guys like him say everybody is a terrist.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:38 | 6872971 Demdere
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No kidding.  Wesley Clark is the designated 'let it all hang out' this week?  Wonder what propaganda bit they are setting up there? Who would trust Wesley Clark with anything?

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-the-weak-spot/

If we want to get this kind of craziness straighted out, we have to get the idiot wars ended and the Israeli-neocons out of power. They need the power to produce that chaos that is keeping their treasonous heads out of nooses.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/about-the-massive-psyops/

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-our-dreyfus-affair/

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/coup-via-false-flag/

Swear I am not a monomaniacal crazy, and you only have to read a hundred or so of the other posts to know that.

9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:02 | 6873088 ZerOhead
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Wesley = controlled opposition and is being groomed for an important role for the Khazarati Globalists.

You are going to be seeing a lot of him on MSM when the shit hits the fan...

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:32 | 6873123 monk27
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He's the court jester in any Dem led administration. After his pathetic performance during the Serbian war, he could say anything ! If in the end it proves to be too embarrassing (even if true), it will be considered just an over the top rant from another frustrated has-been...

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:34 | 6872975 astoriajoe
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Any time I hear, "Lets be very clear" I assume they are lying. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:37 | 6872988 L Bean
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Or when they start an official explanation w the condescending; "So, ..." Both seem to be textbook propaganda preludes.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:07 | 6873750 Demdere
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You are all correct because we have not heard an honest statement from our government in several administrations. When they speak, they lie.

Criminals like habitually because fuzzing reality is cover.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:51 | 6873055 Yen Cross
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    My all time favorite is, "Read My Lips", but yeah, you're on the right track.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:20 | 6873173 Baby Bladeface
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"Make no mistake..."

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:39 | 6873245 Yen Cross
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   Well done...

  How about, "Mission Accomplished"?

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 02:36 | 6874457 Charming Anarchist
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"Let me be clear..."

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 04:10 | 6874557 trulz4lulz
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"I swear I'll swallow."

(thats the dirtiest ive felt ever typing a sentence)

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 22:29 | 6873850 BarkingCat
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You me Bush Sr when he said
"Read my lips; know new taxes"?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:09 | 6873364 Barrack Chavez
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Read my lips...

I did not have sex with that woman...

WMD are a slam dunk!

If you like your current health insurance, you can keep it...

Benghazi was not about the Muslim Brotherhood stopping the CIA from shipping weapons to ISIS, it was a YouTube video...

Its illegal for Nixon to have his IRS target his political enemies, but its OK for Obama to do it...

ACA will save the average American family $2500 (not cost $4650 more)...

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:34 | 6872977 Mr. Guts
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Wesley Clark? Wesley Clark? He almost started WWIII at the Pristina Airport. What a douchebag. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:38 | 6872993 cheech_wizard
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Would e-mailing Wesley Clark plans for building a guillotine be considered a terrorist act?

Standard Disclaimer: I just think his head would look good adorning a gutter somewhere.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:19 | 6873169 Baby Bladeface
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Might also send it to tribe of upper Amazon for shrinking process. Useful purpose it then could serve as cake in urinal.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:35 | 6872980 Usurious
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I think clark left out isreal..........cause uh, isis serves zio interests too

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:39 | 6872999 L Bean
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They must get some sort of shock-conditioning in their early training; say or even think "Israel", get shocked.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:35 | 6872982 L Bean
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This nigga's gon get capped if he keeps flapping his gums like that.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 20:07 | 6873357 August
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As Clark is a very political General, you can be certain that any public statements he makes are not merely his own thoughts; they have been pre-cleared.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:36 | 6872983 CClarity
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And by that we mean a power stuggle for the future of access to oil in the ground and the shipping routes and pipelines.  Religion is the excuse, as are the tribes.  Objective of war is always economic power - the human casualties are only that to the power mongers.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:36 | 6872984 Infinite QE
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Rabbi Wesley Clark. The man who talked about x wars in y years as he was in on the greater israel cleansing discussions. Waterboard him and squeek the truth out.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:43 | 6872987 Francis Marx
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Well ..well... a devil shows his hornes.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:39 | 6872997 Misanthropus
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Just a big chessboard. No real concern for the people's lives who are affected, including the refugees, the people of Europe, or even the American People.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:42 | 6873008 Francis Marx
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I know...Un-f'cking believable huh?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:43 | 6873019 The_Juggernaut
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This is the sociopath who didn't mind bombing civilians, right?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:21 | 6873175 oddjob
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word, GWC is a sticker boy for the MIC.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:43 | 6873017 o r c k
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Barrel Bombs.  A NEW kind of explosion that REALLY hurts. Now repeat after me: BARRELBOMBBARRELBOMBBARRELBOMB.......... . . .  .  .  .   .   .

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:49 | 6873026 L Bean
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It's think-tank shit, as usual. Alliteration as a memory device.

"Now repeat after me, kids; Let's Ban those Barbaric Barrel Bombs from Bashar..."

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:26 | 6873194 McMolotov
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Exactly. I didn't read the whole page before I replied with something similar up above. How many Americans have heard of depleted uranium or white phosphorus? Probably very few, but everyone's heard of "OMG BARREL BOMBS!!!" at this point.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:44 | 6873023 silverserfer
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Ya, its um kinda like when your retarded and blind and you needs a seeing eye dog so you go to get one and say.. "I'll take that one with rabies over there!"

he's a real a-hole but he chases off the squirrels real good!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:46 | 6873029 taketheredpill
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"There's no good guy in this".

 

Including the USA too, right?

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:50 | 6873048 o r c k
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I think Wesley is being threatened to play nice or else after his release of certain long-range war plans.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:50 | 6873049 Bunga Bunga
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Now Erdocon goes full retard: Turkey has proof of Russian involvement in Daesh oil, President Erdo?an says

http://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/2015/12/03/iraqi-kurds-refute-russia...

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:52 | 6873057 L Bean
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I knew this would be the next thing. Full retard is an understatement.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:53 | 6873060 o r c k
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A classic retort by someone who got caught doing something illegal.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:54 | 6873065 trader1
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the truth no longer matters.

it's whatever sticks and sells.

 

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 02:41 | 6874462 Charming Anarchist
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High res aerial videos and photos captures attention. 

 

Whoever controls the airspace will controll the narrative. 

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 21:20 | 6873587 tarabel
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We're talking about convoys of semi-trailers full of half-price money.

Anybody and everybody who can get a piece of the action is in on it.

Who's surprised to find all sorts of hands in the cookie jar?

People need to get over the illusion that morality has anything to do with what is going on over there. Pure geopolitical mud wrestling.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 00:36 | 6874250 palmereldritch
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I wonder what his avatar is on ZH

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 01:27 | 6874357 Bunga Bunga
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Gollum

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 01:33 | 6874371 palmereldritch
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Oh, so you want to be added to the lawsuit do you?!

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:51 | 6873054 AMPALANCE
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Yeah we figured when the Islamic State failed to attack their sworn enemies, the Jewish state. Thanks captain obvious.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:35 | 6873232 sgt_doom
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+1,000 and no flies on you . . .

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:53 | 6873059 Omega_Man
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Assad used a bomb, therefore his punshment is 100000000000000000000000 bombs

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 18:53 | 6873063 trader1
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i see that wesley clark has been reading our favorite poster falak pema.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:00 | 6873075 besnook
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so turkey is being hung out to dry in this russian jet shoot down/stlen oil nexus. was turkey set up to take the fal or is this a takedown of edrogan or could there be a reward in it for him for playing the fall guy so the west could escape from their policy blame free?

putin must be laughing his ass off.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:00 | 6873078 Quinvarius
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There is a good guy.  He is called Assad.  All the bullcrap said about him since the US tried to overthrow him was just that, bullcrap.  He never killed 200k people as Obama's lie squad claims.  It is all bullcrap to support Obama's war. Obama is responsible for every single person killed in the Syrian civil war.  And you know that for sure because he is blaming someone else.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:23 | 6873181 lincolnsteffens
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Didn't his father level a small city that tried to defy him??

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 19:33 | 6873226 Baby Bladeface
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And what?

This somehow the son is guilty of?

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