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Meet Syed Farook And Tashfeen Malik, The Husband And Wife San Bernardino Shooters
“Was there a link to terror?”
That’s the question Americans are asking themselves the morning after a husband and wife opened fire with assault rifles killing 14 and wounding 21 at a San Bernardino County employee holiday party.
The shooters, Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, left their young child with Farook’s mother in nearby Redlands on Wednesday morning before dressing in “assault clothing,” and crashing the party (literally). A subsequent shootout with authorities left both suspects dead. The couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns, a llama and a Smith & Wesson. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.
Here’s what we know about Farook and Malik so far.
Farook, whose family was originally from Pakistan, was born in America and was employed as an environmental health specialist for San Bernardino County. He did what health specialists do: inspect restaurants and other facilities for health violations.
Reuters was able to obtain some on-the-ground intelligence from a SusAnn Chapman, who’s described as “a cashier and waitress at China Doll Fast Food.” Apparently, Farook inspected the China Doll earlier this year. "He was real quiet," Chapman said. "He checked the food and said he was here because somebody complained. ... He looked completely normal."
Ok, not helpful.
However, some clues as to what might (and we emphasize “might”) be going on here emerge when we take a closer look at Malik. According to Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations who, like SusAnn, spoke to Reuters, Malik “was believed to be from Pakistan and had lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to the United States.”
“Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and returned with a wife,” AP reports, citing co-worker Patrick Baccari, who said Farook “was gone for about a month in the spring, and when he returned word got around [he’d] had been married.” His new wife was described as “a pharmacist.”
Now clearly there are no smoking guns there, but it's worth noting that when it comes to radicalization, no one does it quite like the Saudis. But as we read further, AP uncovers the smoking gun: "Several months ago Farook grew out his beard." There you go - excessive beard action. The terrorist hallmark.
All sarcasm aside, AP goes on to say that according to coworkers, Farook was "a devout Muslim," and according to a profile posted on the dating site iMilap, Farook enjoyed "reading religious books and target practice with younger sister and friends."
A separate profile on Dubaimatrimonial.com (which describes itself as the "first and only legal marriage service provider in the UAE), shows Farook identifying himself as a Sunni:
Although we would urge caution when it comes to drawing conclusions around the sectarian divide, we'd be remiss if we didn't note that ISIS, al-Qaeda, and many of the other groups the public generally identifies with extremism, are Sunni. Saudi Arabia (where Farook allegedly found his wife) promotes puritanical Wahhabism.
In the wake of the tragedy, Muzammil Siddiqi, religious director of The Islamic Society of Orange County, reminded Americans that Islam is not synonymous with terror: "Please do not implicate Islam or Muslims. Our faith is against this kind of behaviour."
Here’s Patrick Baccari’s (quoted above) account of the shooting, again, via AP:
Baccari, who was sitting at the same table as Farook, said employees at the holiday party were taking a break before snapping group photos when Farook suddenly disappeared, leaving a jacket draped over his chair. Baccari stepped out to the bathroom when he heard explosions.
"I'm getting pelted by shrapnel coming through the walls," he said. "We hit the ground."
The shooting lasted about five minutes, he said, and when he looked in the mirror he realized he was bleeding. He was hit by fragments in the body, face and arms.
"If I hadn't been in the bathroom, I'd probably be laying dead on the floor," he said.
Clearly, quite a bit hinges on whether or not this gets tied to radical Islam. If authorities "prove" (or create) a link to extremists, the backlash against Syrian immigrants and against American Muslims more generally, will only grow.
Additionally, public support for American boots on Syrian ground will rise as any link to terrorist ideology will invariably be trotted out as "proof" that "lone wolf" or not, attacks have now crossed the pond to reach American soil.
Of course at the end of the day, two people opening fire with assault rifles on a holiday party seems pretty "terrifying" to us regardless of what inspired the shooters, but remember, crises like these are only "useful" in today's world if they serve someone's geopolitical ends so don't be surprised if the mainstream media soon turns up the San Bernardino equivalent of the forged Syrian passport found in Paris three weeks ago.
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Those disabled people had it coming! No mixed dancing or music allowed by uncle Mo.
more corporate media bullshit...
More head fakes for gun control. Hell I thought Cali was all stripped naked by gun laws.
One mass shooting a week until you finally relent and realize all guns need to be banned. h/t Doc Engali for that one.
A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
“We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What were they doing around the neighborhood?'” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-ho...
Disgruntled civil servant goes into work place and kills co-works
This used to be called "Going Postal" ..... it's hardly a modern or new problem or "terrorism"
Worse mass murder killing in US history was back in the 1920's when a disgruntled civil servant blew up an elementary school packed with kids
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
and he didn't use a single gun ...
Shooter was a co-worker of those at the party. He was at the party earlier and left and returned later with wife and guns.
Muzzies love jihad!
Zerohedge readers won't be able to say they didn't know how to prepare for this type of event.
When you are suddenly surrounded by violence and killing, it’s too late to train.
Guide for Learning to Use a Sidearm to Defend Yourself, Your Loved Ones, and Your Property, Should a Race War Break Out
Questions to assist in creating a working inventory of mind, body, and equipment for living in dangerous or uncertain times
Looking at guns in Mexico and at some farmers that take law into their own hands
Fear we are returning to a time in history where it is a common occurrence to fight for one's life?
What are some unforeseen outcomes of conditioning our children to live in a police state?
Peace.
Islam, the religion of Rest in Peace
So, following your logic, Christianity is the religion of Rest in Rubble (bomb, invade, occupy, and plunder)?
Sounds like a FBI drill that went live. There was a ZH-er who actually posted a list of drills accross the USA. I would love to see that again.
These extremeist are Wahhabi... Saudi's. Most ignorant mainstream republicans just regurgitate what Faux News tells them.
Good thing all those victims were disarmed by their own government or else the situation would never have had the chance to be come a mass shooting.
@headless_horseshit You really need to take your meds if you think the Iraq & Afghanistan wars were waged in the name of Christianity.
Yet another pathetic example of a straw man argument.
Obviously, based on what I have written here over the years, I don't think the Iraq & Afghanistan wars were waged in the name of Christianity. I think they are being waged in the name of the petrol dollar and US hegemony.
Importantly, many of the Iraqis and Afghanis do see the invasion of their homelands as a Christian Holy War, which is easy to understand, from their perspective.
Watch the linked video.
How was that straw man?
"Importantly, many of the Iraqis and Afghanis do see the invasion of their homelands as a Christian Holy War, which is easy to understand, from their perspective."
What you seem to be missing is that "their perspective" is inextricably intertwined with a deliberate misinterpretation of core Christian beliefs. Mohammed wrote outright lies about Christianity, lies which are believed by modern Mohammedans as holy, revealed word of God.
""Malik “was believed to be from Pakistan and had lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to the United States.” “Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and returned with a wife,” AP reports,""
Ahhh... Good Ole House Of Saud... Poping Up Since 911 Over and Over and Over...
The House of Saud needs to go at least cut off their funding the same way ISIS/Turkey Oil money needs to be cut off.
I smell patsies. Just as the marathon bombers.
How convenient that they were shot at the scene.
Now for the rest of you 98% folks back at home, here's some news more suitable for sheeple viewing
http://goo.gl/BZIOCS
Oilbama, just Making Another Speach, STILL Claiming To Not Know The Motive For The Massacre... WOW, Is This Bissarroland???
So...a muslim from Chicago and a government employee???
Why am I not surprised??? PERFECTLY FITS THE PROFILE OF A TRAITOR AND A TERRORIST.
Gee, who else is a muslim, government employee from Chicago that we all know of? ;-)
This piece on Saudi Wahhabism points out the same.
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=12073
"The Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia and the Perversion of Islam"
Pakis, man- the nigger's nigger.....
So... Any evidence of an ISIS connection yet?
Wait a second... How did this happen with all the NSA et al surveillance going on??
NSA doesn't give a shit about muslims or threats to the people of the US.
according to dating site iMilfap
Most Pakis I have met have very strong "feelings" toward Americans. Many will not even shake your hand as they hiss at you, "I don't shake hands with a non-believer."
And look at the hundreds (if not thousands) of wanna be soldiers unleashed to do battle with a single Muslim .gov desk jockey and his sub-human wife.
If a mere few hundred of my most dedicated former co-workers pulled something like this, they would suspend posse comitatus and pull troops from the North Korean border in order to coordinate a response.
This is the instability of the State incarnate.
The State cannot counter diversified and simultaneous resistance, as it relies on overwhelming force and isolation of the opposition.
And yet the plebs fall for divide et impera, generation after generation.
http://graphics.latimes.com/san-bernardino/
interesting choice...handicapped people at the dead-end of working America.
If the obvious does not satisfy, then by all means please dig deeper. I am confident that with enough thought and investigation it will be possible to come up with a more desirable answer...something that better fits with your preconceptions.
Everybody has a reason for everything they do. To others it may not seem rational and are left with simply accepting it or seeking a more reasonable, rational or deeper meaning or cause.
I do not understand anything about sports. Why anyone would be willing to waste time watching others chase a ball, much less pay for the privilege or buy all the crap that goes with it. I find their mental state suspect and believe them to be mentally weak and using sports as a crutch for their own lack of physical abilities, manhood, or simple fame. We should watch them closely for that kind of mental weakness is a sign. Further, those who are profiting from this are deliberately feeding it, for profit or maybe something far more diabolical. I'm thinking the animal skins associated with most sports "balls" possibly have a Jewish connection.
How far down the rabbit hole are we willing to go?
But wait aren't they our BFF's ? Along with the Paki's! Thank God none of them were on the flights that started this BS war on terror! Oh wait there was a bunch of Saudis on board!?! Fuck it lets start a war with Chile! Makes as much sense!
...an argument which was not advanced by [me].
Please cite these lies and your evidence that they are false.
Would take too long to recount here. But I'll recommend a book that summarizes this history well: "The sword of the Prophet," by Srdja Trifkovic.
Gee HH, sure looks like you are taking sides here.
Just walk away, HH. You can't compete against this level of ignorance.
-Chumblez.
opposition is ALWAYS ignorance now isn't it.
The debate is over...that's how the climate changers put it. Deniers...they aren't confused or misinformed, they are simply stupid...or worse, evil trolls trying to distract from the FACTS at hand.
Right.
stick it up your ass.
No, it's because you miss the obvious point that HH is trying to convey, which is that everyone is killing in the name of something, and ultimately it's all motivated by blind lust and greed and stupidity. You can blame a religion, a people, a skin color, whatever, but you're just missing the fucking point.
I am Chumbawamba.
That point was not so obvious. HH obscured it by attempting to equate Christianity with Islam as far as a record of violence goes. That is the propaganda of the day. The point you make, that the killing is motivated by lust for power and greed, can mare effectively be made without sputing non-germane bullshit as HH did.
1. To 95+% of the people to which that point was not so obvious, it wouldn't help to stick it right into their faces - they would still simply stick to their preconceptions.
2. HH sput[ted] non-germane bullshit?
I thought it was the other poster TerminalDebt that wrote the bullshit "Islam, the religion of Rest in Peace".
And over the last 1000 years, I believe HH is correct in his attempting to equate, even if you don't like to hear it.
Patsies.
Case closed.
HH - Invasion of their homelands? Islam has NOT been around as long as the other religions in the area. Islam conquered those countries and took them from others. They are NOT their homelands. Islam has only one (1) homeland, Saudi Arabia. The rest, Islam conquered! The first Holy Wars in the ME were when Islam slaughtered the Christians and Jews and laid claim to Jerusalem and Constantinople. You need some history lessons headless.
I see. So, the USA is just reclaiming our historical homelands of Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Syria?
My wife is Cherokee. Can she please have her original homeland back?
short answer?
No
...but then she'd be obligated to return the land to the tribe her tribe slaughtered for the territory, and so on and on back 40 or 50 thousand years...
Who did the Cherokee's take the land from?
They were illiterate so who knows. You'll have to ask an archeologist what to make if their bones and arrowheads and what little else remains of such stone age people.
Lions, Wolves, and Bears.
Indeed. While killing, injuring and displacing millions in the process. The hypocrisy of US foreign policy is stunning.
"For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."
Hosea 8:7
You look stupid when you ignore points that undermine your arguments. I agre that we have no business messing around in those countries but can make that case without pushing some bullshit false equivalency argument.
That explains why they attacked France, because they said Non to the Iraqi war?
Islam has been around for centuries before the Iraq farce, and its agenda has been the same as ever, expand and subjegate. It was just that its method of brainwashing kiddies from a young age via Madrassa's backfired since it produced a large number of ignorant and illiterate followers while the western kids learned science instead.
Fast forward to today and our education systems are increasingly about ignorance and programming politically correct nonsense into people, such as LGBT fantasies, a world where everyone is equal and anything goes, for that reason we cannot even condemn a regime that beheads people who leave a religion or object to their religion taking root in our countries.
No. This does...
NATO and the French have been the aggressive terrorists, bombing Syria for the better part of the last 5 years, and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq for more than 12 years.
What would you do if these were your kids digging through rubble that was your home?
From before the Paris attack...
Agence France-Presse 3:38 p.m. EST November 5, 2015
PARIS — The French presidency on Thursday said it would deploy its Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier to boost its operations against the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria.
The presence of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the flagship of the French navy, will add to the six Rafale jets stationed in the United Arab Emirates and the six Mirages flying out of Jordan.
The Charles de Gaulle did a two-month stint in the Gulf from February, from where strikes against IS in Iraq were carried out, before returning to its base in the French port of Toulon.
During this time about 20 aircraft carried out 10-15 combat sorties a day, according to the army.
France launched air strikes against the jihadists in Syria in October, after a year of bombing IS in Iraq, saying it was acting in self defense.
...
Since beginning operations in Iraq, French fighter jets have carried out 1,285 aerial missions, resulting in 271 strikes and the destruction of 459 targets.s not advanced by that opponent
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/11/05/france-d...
SyriaGirl summarizes here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZevoJapA9k
If you don't agree with the content, mute it and stare at her lips . . . .
I'd happily accept her in the U.S.
HH, are you contributing to the radical Islamic sites as well? I'm sure you would be appreciated there.
Religion aside, HH makes some valid points. Why do Americans support and defend the slaughter of millions of innocent people and expect no blowback at home?
The short answer is that our nation suffers from an extreme sense of entitlement.
And if you say that in public, you are branded a micro-aggressor.
pods
That is a silly answer. It just isn't serious. American's for the most part, really don't think they can influence what their government does. Hence the popularity of Trump who tells TPTB to piss off. And American, ny nature, do not want to spend their lives worrying about government. That couple with the misplace d trust in government makes them easy to manipulate.
Wow Oldwood, hitting new lows on discussion culture because you're running out of arguments?
Come on, I'm sure you can come up with better ad hominems!
What?? Christianity does not go forth to expand and conquer?? There are all sorts of organized Christian based groups spread throughout the world to preach and expand its influence. They are particularly aimed at the poor orphaned or hungry children whom they care for while indoctrinating.
Have you never heard the song Onward Christian Soldiers ??
And do they behead those who fail to adopt their religion of peace???
Nope, they go one better. They bomb their entire country and kill millions and ruin the lives of millions more.
More commonly they burn them at the stake.
The Spanish Inquisition of Peace.
Muzzies don't behead you for not being a muzzie, btw. That is expressly forbidden in the Koran. If they behead you, and it's not on a movie set, it's for another reason.
Don't forget, Dog, the Church burned those people because "The Church abhors bloodshed".
So its all good.
Can you cite the rationale for puring people at the stake? Just wondering if you understand what you criticize. Now, before you pee your pants and accuse me of suporting burning people at the stake, understand that I think it is important to understand why things are done if you want to effectively oppose it. Also, sometimes it is worthwhile to step to the side and examine things from a different perspective. Results in, you know, learning. Christians burning people at the stake seems, on its face, to be equivalent to muslims lopping heads off. However, the rationale for the burnings was fundamentally different than the beheadings. It goes a long way to explain why Christianity no longer burns people at the stake while the muslims continue their same old ways unchanged for centuries.
Ahh, silly old me, I didn't understand that the Inquisition had a Good Reason for burning all those people. That changes everything. I'm sure those people died happy, knowing it was all for a Good Reason.
You fucking clown.
Muzzies don't behead you for not being a muzzie, btw.
Actually they would prefer that you as a non-muslim be alive to as to either enslave you or tax you via the jizya (tax on non-muslims). The jizya has been a good money maker for them historically.
Funny that you bring up the Spanish Inquisition. Do you know what the connection it had to Islam?
Influence differs from conquering. Persuasion differs from compulsion. Your thought process differs from rationality.
Farook brought his woman to USA to marry because he was afraid to marry her in Pakistan, the Gay Crusader may have droned their wedding.
lets keep things in perspective ...
The zealots in Israel murdered Yitzhak Rabine . They are on record seeking the destruction of all surrounding States.
In addition, the Christians have been brought onboard by a very potent pscyops tied to the book of Revelations.
Perhaps an element of the motivation for US destabilization of Iraq and Syria is based atleast in part to Zionist and Christian zealots in positions of power in Washington.
In the context of your previous comments you just made his point and put a name, straw man, to most of your own arguments. Two for one!
<== hedgeless Conspirator Theorist Wrong Again???
<== hedgeless Is Right
More truth about Islam..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBpmPXv1R4
Hedgeless Horseman is such a tool.
A favorite tactic of his is accusing of others of logical fallacies, meanwhile every single post of his is fallacious by its a very nature.
Zero Hedge is a financial blog, and this tool never discusses finance!
I count three in your short post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Did I miss any?
Yesterday Trump said 3 times (on TV) that we need to kill terrorists families.
So that means Grandma of this family, 6 month old baby, sister, brother in law, father.
Nobody has called for anything like that since the Samurai's did 500 yrs ago.
Might want to take a look at the Allies in WWII. They were quite open about intending to literally annihilate the German peoples. Exterminate them. Remove them from the face of the earth.
A very interesting read is Hellstorm, by Thomas Goodrich. Should be required reading for Hedgers.
BS. Russians cdrtainly pulled that in Lebanon. It was very effective. If the choice is your familiy or mine - sorry yours is in second place. Now, avoiding that choice, by not sticking your nose in everyone's backyard is the right move.
~"These extremeist are Wahhabi... Saudi's. "~
All of Islam is "extremist", Juggs.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
3 Things abourt Islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
C/P:
{ The center this happened at has had so many active shooter drills lately that employees just thought it was another drill. There were no roadblocks set up which is very strange if this was real. Local news channels were there, reporting live, WAY TOO FAST, (proving foreknowledge) yet there was a huge delay in getting the news out via larger channels of up to 7 hours, which is why I missed this until now. WHY THAT HUGE TIME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAJOR NEWS OUTLETS AND LOCAL NEWS?}
DIS_INFORMATION!..who knows?.
Where are all of the live photos and films of the shooters in action...you know, shooting people? It's hard to imagine that the media would miss that opportunity. I watch TV in the morning while getting dressed for work and everyday they have reporters at every site of a shooting or bad wreck or about anything they can justify putting on the air, and you are going to suggest that it is somehow conspiratorial that the media and cops arrive at an active shooting in the middle of a metropolitan area within minutes....really???
Three things you (probably) don't know about islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY
sadly today I watched as a GOP senator, said: "we need more surveillance of
a stronger NSA and such, another speaker said:":we need to make EVERY local policeman a FED agent"
of course on the left progressive leaders said"Better Strong GUN laws this is NOT NORMAL for america."
and All I said to my wife is:"why not just stop letting muslims into America ..
we live in a police state in larger part because of wide open borders and mass immigration from the 3rd world"..legal gun owners like myself have had guns in our homes our whole life time, with no crimes ever in those years millions and millions of gun owners who never did anything illegal"
It is the contradictions within their policies that create the destruction, either knowingly to make hay of the resultant crisis, or simply because they ideologically believe that they have the power to fundamentally change what humans are, just as they think they can change the weather. Read the communist doctrines and understand that their fundamental belief is in the idea that through the power of tyranny, spanning several generations they can fundamentally change the human nature into one that is unselfish and only lives to serve the state. For them they saw no extent of the loss of life as an inhibitor to this ideal, in fact it was seen as necessary, and as we saw, fully embraced. This is no different. The imposition of destructive behaviors...deliberately, for much larger goal that remains yet invisible to most. Once we understand that the collective" does not include us, only then will we understand what is really at hand. Unfortunately even many of those who do understand this are acceptant of it, as is the suicidal bomber of the Islamic stripe. Look closely and you will see a great many connecting dots between the leftist and Islamic ideologies. No amount of death and suffering is too great in the pursuit of their ideals.
I don't know what you guys are arguing about (lots of better things to do). Personally I was genuinely surprised that this couple wasn't "buried at sea" in accordance with their "religious beliefs"...
...but then again I have become rather cynical these days...
I'm just waiting for his Facebook profile to show he was distraught over Climate Change deniers.
My cynicism has reached a new level as well.
Miffed
We have good cause to be cynical and I wouldn't disparage anyone for being so. I would only caution that we should not allow ourselves to become so cynical as to become defenseless to ALL threats. Even if these Muslims were paid by the CiA to do what they did, they still did it. We can get caught up in the why of things but when it comes into your face, it doesn't matter why. We can't have it both ways and claim that Muslims are victims and simultaneously claim that they are falsely implicated. If we believe they have been horribly wronged, is it that far fetched to think that some of the more radicalized among them would seek recourse? Are we to believe that we can be guilty of killing millions of them, and they respond only with prayer vigils? I believe the threat is real, regardless of who is ultimately to blame. It sucks that we must find ways to defend ourselves from our own government as well as from those who have been motivated by this same government to want us dead. There is no clear way to rationalize this between good guys and bad, except to be on the defensive against all threats.
Why do you assume they did it? You know what a patsy is? I assume you believe they did it because the MSM told you that's what you should believe. Not a very solid reason, in my estimation.
If you automatically buy the narrative of the day, you are not in the slightest bit cynical. You are a sheep. So fuck off.
Maybe they just picked a Muslim as a patsy.
They knew that this guy drove a black SUV.
They create a ruse that his wife was sick so that he leaves the banquet early.
While he is gone they come in and shoot up the place.
He hears about it from his wife, that a guy driving a Black SUV, was the shooter.
So they rush back to the scene to clear his name...He was not there as he was with his wife....in REDLANDS.
Then they kill both of them and plant the weapons.
Is that cynical enough for you?
This event was too well executed and has the earmarks of a Military Op.
Just why in the hell would this guy return from Redlands...with the fucking guns???
"we live in a police state in larger part because of wide open borders and mass immigration from the 3rd world"
what did they think, that these fucking animals from various monarchies, police states and religious dictatorships were going to come here and be good upstanding citizens with American values? No, they just needed to swell the Democrat voting rolls and anyone they kill is just collateral damage.
You import shit, you get shit.
Sure. Good, solid Mercan Values. Like bombing wedding parties and old women collecting firewood. Like starving 500,000 Iraqi children to death and openly stating that it was "worth it". Like creating ISIS and Al Qaida before them.
Fuck you, and fuck your values.
Yeah no shit, Sherlock. I know all of that. Horrible fucking crimes of aggression indeed against people that never attacked us. Fuck Bush and Obama equally for their criminal wars which I never supported.
Yet for thinking that somehow excuses these fucking baboons from killing handicapped people? Whoever the fuck paid them or SSRI'd them or the gubbmint because they want to "take our guns!?"
Fuck you too, very much.
I didn't read anyone expressing this thinking, and I thought that the people killed were the staff members.
It appears you may have a hard time following the facts, and are overwhelmed with emotion. Take a soma, and go the the feelies, then you will feel better.
Suck on some hemlock. Those are NOT American values.
You hit the main agenda points for the regime. They want to make all LE federal under DHS control. That is important. They're already having local LE throw DHS patches on during the weekends and are doing unconventional training. If they can have all LE report up to DHS they feel they'll have more control. It's similar vein to the police abuse of citizens now being reported and blacklivesmatter coverage. It plays into the same narrative. LE in this country is a mess, but federalizing them will just make things tremendously worse.
This does not stop at the federal level.
The UN has their Safe Cities iniative. The program is being pushed as an effort to decrease victimization of women. Sounds good, right?
It is about federalizing then globalizing law enforcement.
I guess you can't have global governance unless you can enforce it.
http://www.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/ending-violence-against-women/creat...
disbanding them would make things infinitely better.
All of those GOP assholes, except for a very few, are quick to pitch the constitution overboard and build the state that will exterminate them.
No Hedgeless, that's not logical at all.
Islam and Christianity cannot be compared - only contrasted.
The problem with Christians is that they don't follow the example set by their religion's founder. The problem with Muslims is that they DO.
My point, exactly, in both instances.
I understood that to be your point.
And, you missed MY point.
You are committing the logical fallacy of "denying the antecedent" by comparing your flawed characterization of Christianity (as religion of 'rest in rubble') to the completely accurate representation of Islam as the "religion of 'rest in peace.'"
...despite all evidence to the contrary.
My point is that it is fallacious to define characterisitcs of any group, such as a religion, based on the actions of a small minority.
You cannot seriously believe that these pictures present "evidence" of orthodox Christian behavior.
The historical record for Islam, on the other hand, reveals that rape, murder, plunder, pillage, and destruction are holy, ordained commandments given by the Pedophile Prophet Mohammed. Those who commit these acts in the name of Islam are not some "small minority" of extremists or radicals, but the devout believers who are acting on the tenets of their faith. This is what most of the West seems to have forgotten. Thomas Jefferson understood it well enough, but I digress.
Todays Globalistas, The MIC, and Keynesian Money Prognosticators Are Definitely NOT Christians...
that's because the only fake inventions they concern themselves with are those of a fiat nature (and methods to take as much as possible)
The globalists and MIC are all Luciferians. They worship dark powers and dark things. They most certainly are not Christians.
HH, I respectfully disagree with the above statement and pictures. As you previously stated, its about US imperialism, not Christianity. The problems with the Christians in this country, is they aren't standing up and saying ENOUGH WAR!! They are going along with the "government knows whats best for us" meme. Also, how much "rubble" has been created by fundamental Islam? I'd venture to guess its a hell of alot more than Christians have caused. How many old religious sites have been destroyed in the name of Islam?
"My point is that it is fallacious to define characteristics of any group, such as a religion, based on the actions of a small minority."
True but that small minority is a big and getting bigger minority. Just look at what happened at the Turkey soccer game. during the moment of silence they started booing and chanting the Alue Achbar (I know I didn't spell it correctly its not intentional). How often do you see the minorities of Christians beheading people? You just don't see it in the other religions.
Right. We Christians are so much more rightous. We use chemical weapons like the thermobaric Hellfire missile, fired from a drone piloted remotely in air conditioned comfort, or an armored Apache helicopter at stand-off distance from the hospital, school, or wedding party.
I don't recall being part of that mission, or any drone strike, or any bombing run, or any missile launch. I dont recall voting in any referendum in support of any such action. Those actions are all directed from the apparatus of the failed nation-state that is US.gov. I renounce any support for such wanton murder, and instead I support US-focused, vigorous, intelligent profiling here in the US, plus new meaningful immigration reforms and border controls.
It sounds like you want to treat the symptom, and not the disease. I can guess how that will work out for you and our nation.
And the current system is fucking working? Fuck that. 'Diversity' is our disease, including the turning away from Judeo-Christian values. Your comments ignore the heart of the matter. Do so at your peril.
Have you read this article?
I'm not the asshole out there murdering people. It's the ragheads and the agents of the failed nation-state that is US.gov who are doing that. Preach to them. I've got a belly of righteous anger, and I WILL assert my God-given right to self-defense.
The tyranny from this failed nation state's .gov grows tiresome. If the current path continues, there will be blood and an end to the USA as it is physically constituted today.
What about the Muslims we are bombing? Do they not have the same God given right to self defense?
Everyone does. Please distinguish between offensive and defensive violence.
Double tap.
That's a common phrase, and a common root, but there is a vast difference between Judeo and Christian values.
Jews are much more Old Testament - Smiting foes and cleansing the earth of Akelemites.
Christians are (supposed to be) defined by the New Testament - turning the other cheek and loving thine enemies.
Venture a guess as to which group runs US foreign policy?
Good question, I bet #1?
It sounds like you want to treat something wholly unrelated to the disease. By blaming Christians for things done be the US government you obscure the issue and provide cover for the evil done by them.
Atrocity much?!
You make an unwarranted leap. The government of the USA has bombed those countries. There is no evidence to support that government of the USA did so in the name of Christianity. If the ones ordering the bombing were, in fact, Christians, that is purely anecdotal. The reason given for the bombings were for defensive purposes. Don't laugh, I agree that is bullshit but it is the reason given. ISIS, Al QAEDA, etc, openly declare their intent to subdue all who don't submit to their religion. They kill directly in the name of their religion. No doubt, our misadventures there increase their ranks and motivation, but the justifications are polar opposites.
A pattern emerges, what about the jews?
I think it's best to wait for the manufactured evidence to be released before establishing an opinion.
Whatever your personal perspective on this is, it is Muslims that will ultimately pay the price. Islam has some fundamental issues within its ideology which enable this kind of thinking, a kind of thinking that can infect any mind, and make no mistake ALL violence of this nature is a mental illness issue. The difference is that this infection has a name, even if our revered leader refuses to use it...radical Islam. Obviously the vast majority of Muslims do not adhere to the fundamentalist view point, but they will find themselves in this same group. If it continues, if it grows, immigration policies will be the least of their problems, as Japanese internment will look like a trip to Disney World. Human nature NEVER changes. Those in power know this more than most, even though they are fully committed to change it in any way they can...even by force if necessary. Their solutions are two fronted. One is to indoctrinate through media and education to simultaneously embrace those who would potentially harm us while also highlighting the fear that they create through extremist actions. The other is through force of law, such as gun control and limitations on free speach.
"Obviously the vast majority of Muslims do not adhere to the fundamentalist view point, but they will find themselves in this same group."
That is because the vast majority of Muslims aren't particularly observant Muslims. A strict reading of the Koran REQUIRES the observant Muslim to wage war on the infidel-- to kill, to enslave, or to convert at the point of the sword. It's all written down in black and white. The prophet admonishes the weak-willed muslim to be more like the warlike muslim. And there isn't any room for interpretation on this:
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "
We can only hope that there are few particularly observant followers of any religion.
What amazes me is that anyone is having trouble accepting that this was an act of jihad, plain and simple.
Farooq was born in Chicago to muslim parents. The Muslim Student Association in Chicago has a history as a Hamas/PLO recruiting arm and hangout from the time before Farooq was born.
His dating profiles read like ads from someone who was fishing for a partner in jihad. Look at them. His two big pleasures were studing religious texts and target shooting -- allah and guns. It worked. He found a woman who could manage a tactical weapon.
He kept to himself at work. Islamists are not to socialize with infidels.
He showed up at the party, sat inside for long enough to study the physical layout, then he and his wife came back in their ninja garb and toting guns and IEDs and shot over 30 infidels.
There have been reports of calls for jihad in America. Apparently, he and his wife did their part.
You forgot the comparison what a strict reading of the Bible REQUIRES the observant Christian to do.
<----Rest In Peace
<----Rest In Rubble
Just love that comparison!
As if the people that are planning the chaos are practicing Christianity. The whole idea of Bombing and invading, occupying and plundering goes against those teachings. So anyone that is practicing it isn't practicing Christianity and if they claim to be then they haven't read the bible for themselves. However those types of behaviors are promoted in the Koran. So he does have some logic in your quote of "Islam, the religion of Rest in Peace". At least for the nut jobs practicing the Saudi Wahhabi version of Islam.
The couple wore Go-Pros.
The BIG question, before this goes down the rat-hole of memory...WHERE'S THE THIRD SHOOTER?!!
It was reported that there were three shooters. I saw video showing THREE attackers coming from the parking lot into the building.
HOW DID IT SUDDENTLY GO TO TWO SHOOTERS, NOT THREE?
Was seen escaping over the grassy knoll. Still hasn't been found. Just like OJ hasn't found the real murderer yet.
"So, following your logic, Christianity is the religion of Rest in Rubble (bomb, invade, occupy, and plunder)?"
YES! And they have been doing a bang up job for long years........
"Islam, the religion of Rest in Peace"
Yes lets blame Islam for a CIA false flag./s
Seems to me the Hasbra is crawling all over this comments page telling us what to think.
Good job trolls, another dreidel in your Hanukkah stocking.
Ding Ding Ding! And we have an idiot! Blame the Jews...........
Ding Ding Ding - We have a jew playing a VICTIM! :).
Not really blaming the jews in general. But it is rather disgusting that every time a muslim nut goes on the rampage, some of you jewish guys seem preposterously HAPPY about it. Why is that?
One can also expect a landslide of pedestrian and extreme comments from identified zionists like YOU about any other religion than your own, then going apeshit when somebody mentions the religion of a particular zionazi, a bankster criminal, a thieving, murdering, militaristic state, a paedophilic infant genital mutilating cult, a religion of vengeance, intolerance,.... need I go on about Judaism? The truth of the matter is, no organized religion is without fault including mine. I'd rather not be disgusted by people, but you zionist cunts incite it regularly.
As for the bloody Muslim twats who take up arms against their own neighbours - the only thing they prove is the stupidity of their beliefs and ultimately serving the interests of their enemies to equate Islam with terror, just as it was previously done with Catholics and terror (IRA), Jews and terror (Irgun and the Stern Gang), Germans and terror (Nazis), and so on into history.
Is this an act of terrorism or another random mass shooting spree or another engineered/opportune incident to use to implement gun control? What's the fucking difference? Just apes being apes rationalized by prosaic platitudes and hysteria to justify the hate and more mass murders to come.
You left out the HAGANAH, they will be pissed!!
In case this was a false flag, what Zhedgers should do is correct anyone in comment sections and forums everywhere saying it's not Syria where US ground forces need to go but Saudi Arabia itself, where the woman came from.
This needs to have a different effect from the obvious one in order to get false flaggers to think twice when they do their false flags.
How many Mossad agents are dancing on the top of a roof somewhere?
American born, cushy govt. job, married, new baby, living in socal.
threw it all away to enagage in Jihad.
There's your Muslim for you.
So was this a Paki Moslim isis Sleeper Cell? How many moar are out there? isis said that it had sneaked over 4,000 "fighters" into the EU thru the refugee flood.
How does Barry's "vetting" program fit into this?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Those damn Catholics!
Just a couple of Islamists, going full Durka Durka. You live around those fuckers, they'll get you, too! I wonder if they planned it down @ the local mosque, just like the first WTC bombing.
Something like 15 or 20 years ago an aging Brigette Bardot was charged under France's hate-speech laws for saying: "They cut the throats of animals and they'll be cutting our throats next."
A simple clash of civilizations? using the term "civlizations" loosely of course