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Germany Sends 1,200 "Support" Troops To Syria
Angela Merkel has a migrant “problem” and here’s what it looks like on paper:
Merkel’s open-door policy to Syrian asylum seekers scored the chancellor some badly needed PR points in the wake of fraught negotiations with Athens during which she and German FinMin Wolfgang Schaeuble were often cast as the miserly villains in Greece’s debt drama.
But enthusiasm for the migrant cause waned in Germany as hundreds of thousands streamed into the country after traversing the so-called “Balkan route”. Lawmakers are divided and the German people are increasingly on edge following the attacks in Paris and the scare in Hannover.
“Suddenly, Europe’s most durable democratic leader faces the most serious political crisis of her decade in office,” E.J. Dionne Jr. writes, in an Op-ed for WaPo. “In opening her country’s borders to what one German official called a 'biblical march' of refugees, Merkel called forth a series of paradoxes,” he continues. “On the one hand, Germans are deeply proud of their response to the migrants as tens of thousands mobilized to welcome them, but the initial glow of national pride is now shadowed by doubts and, in many cases, anger [as] more than 1 million refugees are expected to reach Germany, whose population is roughly 82 million.”
Fortunately, there’s a foolproof way to stem the flow: help destroy the country from which the migrants are fleeing.
France understands this. So does the US. And apparently, so does Britain. Put simply, when people are running from violence, you have to “bomb the hell out of” their ancestral homeland (to quote Trump) in order to make that home a safer place for them. Of course Russia is doing the same thing, but where Moscow gets it wrong is that Vladimir Putin has an actual plan and a roadmap for restoring a strong central government in Syria. That’s no good. What you want is absolute chaos if you truly intend to stop the migrant flow, and that means covertly arming terrorists and raining down bombs on targets with no strategic significance whatsoever.
Obviously, we’re being sarcastic. The point is that the last thing Syrians need is for another country to join the campaign, but that’s exactly what happened on Friday after the German Bundestag voted to approve military action.
In a 445 “for”, 146 “against” (seven abstentions) vote, German lawmakers approved the use of six Tornado reconnaissance jets, and the deployment of a frigate to help "protect" the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. Berlin will also send refueling aircraft and up to 1,200 military personnel. It’s not entirely clear who Germany is “protecting” the French carrier from. Perhaps Berlin is worried about Islamic State’s powerful navy.
Although Germany will not be dropping any actual bombs (at least not for now), Syrians who in many cases dream of one day scraping together the $10,000 to $15,000 they need to make the trip to the German promised land will now be able to look up and see these in the sky:
Nope, nothing intimidating about that if you're a Syrian civilian. Just a "harmless" recon aircraft.
In any event, add six German Panavia Tornado ECRs to the crowded skies above Syria which are already teeming with everything from American F-16s and AC-130s, to French Rafales, to British Eurofighter Typhoons to German long-range strategic bombers.
We've said it before and we'll say it again, the chances of (another) "accident" only grow with each new participant, and that goes double now that the Russians are hyper-sensitive to potentially hostile aircraft and have the S-400s and the Moskva at the ready.
The silver lining: Syrians no longer have to dream of meeting Merkel, she's coming to them...
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you go girl...er dude....whatever
Well, the guy on the left clearly helps to identify the woman on the right.
meanwhile Canada wants to stop completely and instead bring roughly 65x more Syrians per capita per month than the USA
trying to one-up Sweden
Apparently you canucks learned nothing from us yanks and elected a muslim-loving progressonaut anyway.
Why is NATO now working together, a show of solidarity. Russia deploying and demonstrating their might, China restructuring its military and increasing its military footprint, islands, North Korea flexing its wacko nuke stupidity. Even Japan is building its own stealth fighters and increasing its defense budget to protect islands. This is much bigger than ISIS, the big dogs are loose, pissing and marking new turf.
Things just get weirder by the day
It's been a while since a proper war, i mean, where both sides have armies, airforces etc.. in fact you have to go back 75 years. Since then US has only taken on deserts and jungles and peasants with no defenses in sight. Oh, the glory. I mean, we showed those Grenadians who was boss.
As a result the animal spirits are rising and a feeling of inevitable total confrontation developes.
if it really takes off, every one will forget the details that started it. Bet they will call it th 7th war to end all wars.
Canada will make a good staging area for ISIS, before they roll across the border.
Do we get to burn each other's capitols again?
Standard Disclaimer: Hell, let's get that party started...
judging by most of the videos of "ISIS" posted on YT, I'd be amazed if they can find the border
Is that Lindsey Graham dressed in blue?
The idea of Lindsey Graham causes many women to become lesbians.
Sure, pile on in, what's one more?
That picture is enough for me to put down my attempts, walk away, and leave the fucking fighting to the industrial owners, career politicians, and the populace that gladly takes pay before privelege to think.
Only the 21st Century would wrought a war with selfies...
If this is not a proxy war than I would hate to see what a real one looks like.
no, it's not a proxy war. yes, it is a war
and no, ZH's Tyler, you are being sarcastic and yet you are wrong in this point
what Syrian refugees really need is a country they can return to
That is what they need. Now if only certain actors quit arming an international mercenary force and quit calling them rebels and also quit bombing the infrastructure and government groups the order could be restored quickly.
Unfortunately the rebuilding will take years.
Where are these 1200 based, on whose authority do they cross the Syrian border? What stops Syria from launching missiles or troops at them? They are invaders if not invited explicitly!
The same "authority" the rest of the colnialists used - "we felt like it"
The Russians will have first dibs, I expect
I just puked in my mouth...
Since news reports show thousands of Yutes from France and Germany, as well as the other EU countries, have left home to join isis, this can get very interesting when Helmut and his neighbor Abdul meet on the hills in Syria on opposing sides!
^^^Och du liebe.
Keep stoking the War provocations and you will undoubtedly get your wish. What better way for the elite to pick up a few more billion then on the backs of the childrens whose future they have already destroyed?
tornados to syria
climate change ftards did say we would see more of em:-)
I see now that I should lay off watching Dr.Who for a while.
"Climate change tardis..."
WTF does anybody need recon aicraft for? with all the drones listening and satelites filming the ground in real time?
another token gesture
Is the Luftwaffe invited by the Syrial govt? - thought not.
The carriers are likely cannon fodder
"Herr General, all i saw was sand sand and more sand."
The German Luftwaffe is invited by France, and Hollande went to Moscow in order to get an invitation from Russia (who organized a UN "invitation" if I remember things correctly)
since Moscow is the official protector of Assad's government and it's "diplomatic conduit", yes, this counts as an invitation
meanwhile, strange but true, lots of countries think that German recon might help to keep some little details... straight
So its a bit like one of the Facebook induced disatsters - when one person invited a friend over, who invited another friend - and so on, Until an unwelcome / unruly crowd descend on the dwelling of the fool who just thought he/she had invited A friend round. The result always seems to be the same, the place gets trashed and everybody thinks it is the owners fault.
except that in this case one of the friends, Russia, has limited means to wage war, and is, most of the times, very cautious about spending them with abandon
another of the friends, France, the same, while the third of those friends, Germany, has millions of reasons at home to see Syrians have a country to return to
otherwise, yes, it does look like a Facebook party. if Putin, Hollande and Merkel put a FacePalm page about "War against ISIS" I might even tempted to go there and put a "like"
not that I think voting usually matters... when done electronically
Germany would not have millions of reasons if they did
not announce that they want millions to come.
Guess what, now people in other countries remember once again why they hate Germany. Once again they are
screwing up neighboring countries.
Yes they invited the human locust into their home without any consideration that locust destroys everything
along the way.
Now for the grand finale they want to force this locust on countries that wanted none of it in the first place.
You are a human locust.
perhaps. and perhaps not. the blaming game can go around and around
Denmark was blaming Sweden's "open door", and is still sniggering that Sweden had to shut it. Sweden pointed to Germany as the "straw that broke the camel's back"
let's recap. Turkey failed to "pen" them, except that it is now... "bribed" to do so. Greece "failed", the whole Balkan region did, and so on up to Austria
meanwhile, the whole european Left was shouting at Hungary's conservative-in-chief, and now he looks as the only one that was right, particularly among the eastern EU countries
fact is that the war in Syria made some 10 million people into refugees
fact is that this can't go on this way. strike that, the last one is not a fact, it's my firm conviction... and not only mine
Reminds me more of that old shampoo commercial... “And they told two friends, and they told two friends, and so on, and so on.”
Standard Disclaimer: That or the Mediterranean hairball from hell.
They'll be doing as much as the Tornados from us: not a lot. Taking selfies with an S-400 in the background. some goat target practice later on, then going home for some eggs and bacon, all followed by fawning reports of "Oil infrastructure" strikes in the supine fucktard UK press.
Ho hum.
WW 3 is officially on now !?
Well, execpt from the Jews (officialy) all the WWII players (and some more) are in it so.....
Only Japan missing I believe?
But hey, their Toyotas are there!
Yes , since sept
Since 2013 surely?
Syrian taxpayer can be a key to funding the German welfare system as the autothcons retire and the young Germans go childless
The most hypocrite picture of 2015.
+1 vote from me or there must be a better one of Obummer or Cameron then i wil reconsider.
1 million refugees in, 1200 germans out.
Something doesn't add up.
Wait for the counter revolution. The National Socialist who are for the White Race will once again take control of Germany and remove the National Socialists who are waging war on the White Race.
Race and war on race is a vital element of National Socialism. Since just about every government in the world is National Socialist, except Iceland because they allowed their banks to fail and put the jerks in jail, it is very easy to determine what will happen. The key question is what race are they waging a war upon.
In Germany it is the White race. In the US, under Obama bin Laden it is the White race.
But at times I get confused because the Democratic Party, while proclaiming its allegiance to the Black race, sure looks like they are setting up the Blacks for extermination. By allowing unrestricted abortion, the numbers of Blacks are decreasing dramatically; by keeping the Black on Black violence zones up and running the numbers are falling even faster as Blacks kills Blacks, and by keeping them on welfare when the welfare payments stop the massive violence will again leave only a few left to mop up. All it would take to get the violence going full scale is to simply leaglize drugs.
Be confused no more...
While professing to care about the plight of the poor, Obama continues to take actions that keep blacks impoverished, so he can use black grievances for partisan political gain. In his book "Dreams From My Father", Obama wrote disdainfully about blacks who complain about being poor, yet continue to vote for Democrats — like Obama — who keep them poor. On page 147 of his book, Obama described what he and his fellow Democrats do to poor blacks as "plantation politics" when he wrote: "A plantation. Black people in the worst jobs. The worst housing. Police brutality rampant. But when the so-called black committeemen came around election time, we'd all line up and vote the straight Democratic ticket. Sell our soul for a Christmas turkey."
Standard Disclaimer: I am now a firm believer in the NWO's belief that a culling of the herd is not only necessary, but long overdue.
gotta give the fat lady credit..Schroeder held his constituents above the globalist agenda in Iraq. Fatty merkel caved to her true communist nature. centralized power and anti-democratic rule by the elites, to which she aspires.
Is this a move to cover the collapse of Deutchebank?
Probably
Aspires?
Surely she's one of their illuminati sex-slaves like Katy Perry?
All countries are there fighting ISIS and it is still not surprising that Turkey our ally has attacked Russia? Could it be any more clear that ISIS is a proxy of Zion?
Stop muddying the water you protestant imbicilic half-wit.
It's the whole world against the muzzies. You are either against them or one of them.
You might want to learn how to spell 'imbecilic,' next smack-down, there, boss.
It's France and Germany aiding Russia and Syria (and Iran) against the radical religious fundamentalists of ISIS. which happen to be Muslims, yes
meanwhile, I see barbarians of every shape, race, creed and political persuasion around
France and Germany 'aiding' Russia and Syria?? Where the hell did you get that lofty idea? In what way are they 'aiding' them?
They've been sent in by their masters in Washington to further make an absolute clusterfuck of a once secular, prosperous, non-threatening nation (Syria) while bearing their shit-stained teeth to Russia and Iran, boldly stating that they will do D.C.'s dirty work and bidding at any time, place and expense of their own populace.
'Aiding Russia, Syria and Iran against the Radicals'...I've never heard such a load of horse-shit in all my life.
I've read that theory, and Tyler seems to like it. we'll see. time will tell
btw, I have fond memories of Syria the "once secular, prosperous, non-threatening nation", been there before
this very moment it is a four year clusterfuck already. with half of it's population elsewhere
Ghordi, psychopaths love people like you:
If in doubt you always tend to believe the ruling elite, not the "fringe bloggers" or "conspiracy theorists"... so for them adding to the confusion gives them more support (if only by the benefit of a doubt), by people like you.
And if the day arrives on which [you]'ll see. time will tell, then those psychopath elite have already reached their goals and are on to the next deed...
Hold the phone there homeskillet. You gots to look at the bigger picture and Syria ain't it. This is some serious and deeply nuanced history we're living, that assuming we survive it, will be studied by militaries, state departments and budding jihadist inciters (of any stripe - but especially state-sponsered) for a long long time.
Russia is leveraging the Neocon destructive policies against said Neocon minions while doing the rest of the world a favor and taking out the trash.
George?? Is that you?
Stasi agent tasked with destroying Europe.
Warmongers, Newspapers and the Ruling Class (1891-1914) [1]
People's actions are influenced by what they know. People act on their beliefs and perceptions. You can manipulate a person's actions by corrupting their knowledge base, warping historical truth, or ignoring it completely. Knowledge can make for independence and the truth can make us free. Elite groups seeking power over others have always recognized these realities and have sought to prevent the spread of knowledge. Transparency frightens them.
Northcliffe was a valuable contributor to the Ruling Elite in their drive to vilify the German Kaiser. His papers constantly repeated the warning that Germany was the enemy. In story after story, the message of the German danger to the British Empire, to British products, to British national security was constantly repeated. Not every newspaper followed suit, but the right-wing press was particularly virulent. In addition, Northcliffe had by 1908 bought up The Observer and the Sunday Times.
http://ancresearch.blog.co.uk/2013/09/16/warmongers-newspapers-16403461/
The German officers and elite looked so cool, efficient, cultured dedicated, disciplined. If they had won , life for ordinary people in Europe and Russia would not have change a lot. Once Hitler died off the regime would have reverted toward the norm.
Countries have to carry on doing business regardless of ruling ideology.
Could have been like when the romans did a total makeover on britain in the days when we just painted our faces blue and grunted a lot.
But too bad for the eurpean crowned heads , government leaders and aristocrats.
To be honest, I don't even know what a fucking German uniform looks like in the 21st Century. I'll bet they're not cool any more. Probably those ungainly baggy desert camo laden with electronic crap. No jackboots, Walthers and silver helmets. They probably look like every other nanny fascist proxy NWO outfit. Will they sing the Panzerleid as they roll in with their Tigers?
'scuse me if I get a little sentimental {sniff}.
For this war, they will be dressed in Nike shoes with black fatigues.
Please, no German jokes. I am too sensitive. My grandfather died in a concentration camp. He fell off the watchtower.
Syrians could return to their country if Israel-ISIS-USA were not so determined in wrecking the place in order to install a West friendly anti-Russian puppet. That is what it is ALL about.
But, this is for the children, the Saudi and Quatari children.
That is strangely atrocious, like having to watch one of those surgeries where they remove the extra skin from people who lost 400 pounds, or reading the comments section at daily kos...
It's rare that I'm affected by internet pics, but this is deeply nasty. And yet compelling. Should I up vote it? Wouldn't that just encourage Mr Banzai even more?
Think I am ready to throw up now. The farce is strong with this one.
If Merkel was to wear a bikini, that's DEFINITELY the one she'd choose.
"American Merkel" - coming to a theater near you in 2016...
Standard Disclaimer: At least those giant tubs of popcorn can double as vomit receptacles.
How the Syrian War and Ensuing Exodus were Modeled after the Armenian Genocide
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=25505
The refugees are a story.
And so is the obviously coordinated effort to incentivize them to go by Soros, myopic left wing morons, and the usual gang of idiots.
However in the world in escalation of the USA axis of ISIS chaos intends to make this into an anti-Russian war -
Well consider that Russia could put a rocket deeply up Israel's arse, scare the life out of Turkey and Saudi Arabia and create a brand new balance of power in the ME.....by arming Iran with a battery of Nuclear weapons.
That is on the table if this really gest out of hand. That would stop Israel, Saudis and Turkery dead in their tracks since they are well aware Iran could well use them.
Whenever I hear about the Luftwaffe, I think of this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BWipIji35Cg
(You probably need to be certain age to know what a Starfigher was)
Germans can build great weapons and know too well how to fight. If they are turned loose, woe be unto their foe.
The Luftwaffe flies once more! Blitzkrieg on the terrorists! Strike up the Badenweiler Marsch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmyygeChucY
It would be uterly fascinating to see how they dynamic would change if Iran declared itself a nuclear power, with an arsenal of nuclear weapons.
This should be fun.
The Germans will be shooting terrorists in alphabetic order.
NATO, the US Government (not affiliated in any way with the American people), the banking system and British monarchy (and most likely the Israeli and Saud despots) have been trying to provoke Russia and to some extent Iran into a war by first terrorizing and then outright attacking nonaggressive countries, such as the Ukraine and Syria (after they overthrew other non-bank aligned countries, such as Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya).
The only countries that they attack are those who are uncorrupted and not indebted slaves to the banking powers. They have been run by leaders who ostensibly care more about the people than their own wealth and luxury... something that cannot be said for Turkey, the Saud and Britain for that matter.
These countries have been under attack using the satanic method. That method is: 1. to corrupt the leaders and/or indebt the countries and then 2. if you cannot capture them that way, then smear them, terrorize them and if the leaders still resist then 3. outright attack them and smear them some more using the corrupt press. No one can in any way claim that this is right or good. It is Satan's method. It is what the banking houses have always done to create and consolidate power throughout all known history.
The US government and its people were apparently free for a time (and there is even argument about that, but if not free then why would the British foment several wars against the US, including the civil war), but was eventually captured by the British/banking empire and indebted to them. Now the US government is a puppet organization apparently spreading terror around the world for the benefit of the banks. It is very sad.
Here is the problem: Both Russia and China have been corrupted and are part of the system. So, ultimately if it is the Satan directed and inspired banking empire that is calling in all of their corrupted and indebted slave-states then ultimately Russian and Chinese compromised leadership will acquiesce to Satan's will. If there is war, then it will be with cooperation from the captured leadership of both "sides" (which is actually one side, Satan's) ... with the people caught in the middle.
If this makes you uncomfortable ... it should.
You lost me at "satanic".
Try that shit on FoxNews site.
Piss off... This is Alexx Jones shit.
Come up with a better explanation that actually fits the facts. Do more that just criticize ... contribute something.
Deport 1,200 "refugees" bitch .... it's a start ?
But, but... we don't know where they are!
Monedean Logic: "All socialist remedies .... have their unintended consequences .... collateral damage !"
Relax - ISIS has already sent 1200 well trained young men to Germany - on a similar mission to kill people and break things!
Dittoes !
can't fix stupid, or an EU frau ..what's that you smell - it napalm in the morning.
Merkel has not given up .... on the "Final Solution" .... send Muslims to destroy Jews and Christians .... sheltering in place ?
http://www.ziomania.com
That would be nice to do enforced enlistment on emigrants into army and send em to fight in Syria.
Sounds like a plan.
That germany could eazily invite 50milions muslims and send them all to fight in Syria.
My prediction is a German soldier gets gutted and skinned (or beheaded) by a "moderate" rebel by 1 April 2016. I have $100 bet this happens. Who wants that action?
It is unwise to fuck with Germans.
You do know know what modern westernized German men are even like currently, do you ? Slowly being turned in manginas.
Uber manginas
"1200"?...
Wooo..... Gonna need a few more than that to start WWIII !
At best if the numbers are correct and the guys already there are the type where family doesn't get a letter where Johnny went on "permanent holiday" which is going to be pretty much all of them with the exception of the token pilots that might as well be bringing their popcorn in order to watch admiringly from the nose bleed section as Russia continues to pound the shit out of there investment I'd say Germany's contribution is outright mutiny!!!
They will try to get as many of those 1200 killed and say to the German and British public...
See look at what Russia did to us? We need to go to war with them... Cause they are really bad people!
NEED MORE VOLUNTEERS!!!!
What's for dinner?
France and Germany sending military support towards Syria to aid the Russians in their fight against the US/Turkish/Saudi menace called ISIS in Syria.
NATO is eating itself alive.
NATO is a defensive alliance with a regional scope. Syria... is outside that scope
Agreed.
You may recall that Viet Nam was also outside of the regional NATO defensive alliance, but that didn't stop France from eliciting support from the US, in their bid to keep their colony "French".
is that the same France that once exited NATO? you are correct, though note the French-American effort in what once was called French Indo-China and later Viet Nam wasn't even remotely attached to anything called NATO. It was a Franco-American alliance in regard to that country
Well then, I blame my public school education. Our history books said it was a "NATO" thing. Shame on me for taking it as fact. But the original point still stands, I don't think the terms "defensive" and "regional" hold much weight anymore in the NATO mission. Seems that the game is afoot and every government or alliance is trying to expand, before they all contract.
Actually had everything to do with SAC bases. We don't need them anymore (A successful moonshot guaranteed it) and the war in VN ceased to have purpose but our idiot rulers have to "Save face" for heavens sake.
It is the classic government job thing. If you want it screwed up beyond all recognition, have the government do it.
This helps clear things up some
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch24t4.htm
Ah, that was the domino theory - but vietnam won and no dominos fell. Another load of bollocks costing countless lives and property.
"NATO is a defensive alliance [...]"
If you believe that, please explain why NATO bombed Libya.
I have as little explanation as you have. Or why Cameron pushed a vote in the Westminster Parliament to go to Syria, too, when the UK is already in Iraq
weasels. trying to push the boundaries of everything, beyond the written treaties, beyond sense, beyond everything
meanwhile, there are plenty of reasons for europeans to restore order in Libyia, since ISIS has started to operate from there
of course, this is something that used to be organized by the once "Policeman of the World", but I haven't seen this role in action, lately
Italy, may I add, is fuming about the latest Cameron actions, and it's not the only one country that is keeping it's mouth shut "because of the BreXit referendum"
expect lots of recriminations after the vote. oh, why is that "day after" not yet here
By most interpretations of law, Cameron's action to bomb Syria is illegal. Syria is a sovereign nation and Britain has not been invited in.
But he claimed in Parliament that it was legal (presumably he consulted lawyers) as it was to prevent terrorists attacking "our people". If anything it will raise the risks of domestic terrorism, but Parliament bought it and used their rubber-stamps.
Whether he actually bombs ISIS or just drops bombs in the desert, who knows.
If you believe that, please explain why NATO bombed Libya.
Easy answer: Gold, oil & the water aquifer. We left the sand for the Libyans.
I think Serbia would disagree with the "defensive" moniker as well.
Whatever, Cameron is on the US/Turkey/Saudi side.
see it that way: europeans no longer trust muricas intel and they have a look on their own
nice job as usual William. unfortunately i find Herr merkel amazingly erotic and need to go and take another Lisinopril for my blood pressure so my wife and/or kids don't find me dead, slumped over my keyboard from a heart attack.
Never ally with the Germans if you want to win a war, last time they did well was 150 years ago. For that reason alone NATO is doomed in a bigger conflict.
If you're a Syrian look away now!
So the USSofA (NATO), Suadomites , Toorkmen, Israehell , UK ( - Scotland ) and assorted Vassals spend 100's of Billions to train , arm and create DAESH in order to destabalise the Syrians and over throw that Sovereign using Tax-Payer Money on behalf of the Banksters & Oligarchs ; FAIL MISERABLY, and now rush back in to Bomb whatever's left of their Investment that Russia has missed during their Sorties.
If you're a Syrian then my HEART bleeds for You!
As takfiri wahabbi "sleepers" jab their Soros "smart" phones using NSA GESTAPO "refugee apps", while sipping their Starschmucks capucinos in German cafes on German tax payers' handouts...the German military industry employed underclass are sent to die fighting USSAN armed, trained and brainwashed terrorists in Syria. You just couldn't make this crap up unle$$ you were a psychopathic traitor under the NSA fist.
Another uninvited "guest" in Syria trying to provide "help" the host country didn't ask for. Only Russia has a legal right to be there, these other assholes taking it upon themselves are asking, no, begging for a shootdown. Maybe that's the whole idea, then they can really get the party started.
Airspace getting mighty crowded over there - and on the ground...shit will Syrians even have a country left that they can go back to.
Although George W. Bush was a murderous Zionist cunt, Team Magic Negro seems to be several orders worse.
The RAF are struggling to find a target still in one piece to bomb.
If we were interested in containing terrorist groups we would have achieved that, but we created or funded them to achieve regime change and we need them even if they turned into monsters.
And, by the way, if regime change is our overriding obsession, why did we not do a Baghdad and demolish Damascus? Then we could leave the smoldering ruins and watch them create a democracy. Or disappear Assad - y'know - illegal abduction. That would have saved a few hundred thousand lives.
Obviously too much to ask that we get a clear statement of goals and strategy.
Drop a pile of munitions... You'll have targets.
Hell... why not have all the NATO countries send troops or support personnel... that way we have a true "coalition" and some excellent real military training exercises for NATO.
So let me see...we have USA, Russia, France, Britain, Jordan, bombing the hell out of Syria and ISIS. Damn... they don't even have one airplane to fight back...and we cannot defeat them... don't remember reading any military fighting strategy books by ISIS rebels.. only one answer... we should have given more credit to Allah.
That's our septicality - pounding desert shitholes with no defenses and yet not getting anywhere. Oh, the glory of it.
It would be true to say that the priority of the west is regime change in Syria, followed by trying to contain the terrorist monsters they have unleashed in an effort to achieve that end.
In a nutshell
Why don't they fly out of RUS' Bases? They're clear of ISIL Assets for the most part; and you don't have to worry about ISIL Oil Tankers and Refining Gear blowing up around you.
All bets are off if FRA has its CV refuel in Ceyhan.
the beginning of Gomer's alliance with Russia & Iran
Mark the tape Euro-whiners. All I hear is "it's the US's fault.....boo hoo". The French, the Germans the British and many others have been in this fucking mess form the get-go. Not to menttion Libya, Yemen, etc, etc.. Now reap the whirlwind and enjoy the human wave of undesirables that will invade your homelands.
If the US wants to rule the world, they have to realize that everyting is by definition, their fault.
If anyhing had ever worked out well ( which it hasn't) I am sure they would claim all the credit.
You're right. When I listen to Obola and others of his cronies, I hear him almost claiming credit - by careful use of the word "we" - for the damage being done to the ISIS oil tanker convoys trundling into Turkey with stolen oil. Yet the world knows it is Russia that's onto that.
NATO going to war with Russia, and for what?
Jews.