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Cuomo Sends Investigators After Blackout Forces Shutdown Of Nuclear Reactor Near NYC
Almost 2 years after being fined for falsifying safety records, and 7 months after a transformer exploded at the Indian Point Nuclear Reactor (just 30 miles from midtown Manhattan), Entergy - the plant's operator - has 'safely' shutdown the Unit 2 reactor due to a major outage cut power to several control rods. Despite the company's reports that no radioactivity was released to the environment, NY Governor Cuomo has sent investigators to the site to 'monitor' the situation.
As AP reports, officials say one of the Indian Point nuclear power plant's reactors in suburban New York has been shut down because several control rods lost power.
Plant owner Entergy says control room operators safely shut down the Indian Point 2 reactor around 5:30 p.m. Saturday. The reactor's designed to make a safe shutdown if the control rods lose electricity.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo says the company reports no radiation was released into the environment. State Department of Public Service workers are headed to the plant in Buchanan, about 30 miles north of midtown Manhattan.
The Indian Point 3 reactor is running. Together, the two reactors supply about one-quarter of the power used in New York City and Westchester County.
Indian Point 3 was shut down in July after a water pump problem.
But despite the company operating the site reports that there was no radioactivity released from the reactor Unit 2.
Statement from Governoir Cuomo:
"Earlier tonight, the Unit 2 reactor at the Indian Point Nuclear Facility was forced to shut down due to a reported power loss to several control rods. The company reports that there was no radioactivity released to the environment. I have directed the Department of Public Service to investigate and monitor the situation and a team is currently en route to Indian Point to begin its work."
.@Indian_Point spokesman says control room operators shut down unit 2 reactor 5:30 p.m. Cause being investigated. pic.twitter.com/489AfosiJi
— James Nani (@JamesNani845) December 6, 2015
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As a reminder, Indian Point is just 38 miles north of New York City, and produces some 25 percent of New York City’s and Westchester’s electricity. The combined power generated by the two units amounts to over 2000 megawatts. The facility employs some 1,600 people.
The two current reactors, Indian Point 2 and 3 (Indian Point 1 was shutdown in 1974) are four-loop Westinghouse pressurized water reactors both of similar design. Units 2 and 3 were completed in 1974 and 1976, respectively.
The plant has been a subject of controversy due to its proximity to NYC. Several environmental groups have been calling for Indian Point’s permanent shutdown for years. It also has a history of transformer accidents and various leaks, including a 2012 explosion in the main transformer that spilled oil into the river and caused Entergy to pay a fine of a $1.2 million.
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Clearly another Moreland Commission is called for here Andy! ;-)
The investigators will conclude that "Climate Change" is the culprit.
blame it on the weather.
Of all those Syrian regugees, surely a few of them are qualified to work at nuke plants, like Indian Point. I think this is just racist, not offering them jobs ahead of American citizens, and shows the administration doesn't care about minorities or some other bullshit like that.
Regards,
Cooter
The terrorists really piss me off. They give nuclear energy a bad name. Who cares if the fish have three eyes. Nuke is clean and cheap.
One banana dose max. Maybe two.
If you live in NY and your hairpiece is shifting and slowly sliding down one side of your head... ecxept you can't remember ever having or using a hairpiece, then you may want to shelter in place and drink plenty of fluids to stay hydrated. This will not save you in the least, but it is far easier to get fingerprints from a well-hydrated corpse for identification than a dessicated one. Either that, or leave your Syrian passport in plain view. Be sure to turn on all your lights and electrical appliances before you lose all motor control. Stick those ConEd pricks with your unpaid, inflated electric bill as your last act of defiance.
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Stay calm and carry on with nuclear power plants attached to a national grid.
When originally designed and established, Indian Point was meant to be run on thorium (can be found numerous places on web, public info) .... But alas and alack.
Golly gee. At the time was Consolidated Edison. Tom Edison and JP Morgan? Ring any bells?
Not to split hairs, but Tyler is wrong about 25% of power generated by Indian Point.
The accurate number is 15% for NYC, always on, never down (normally).
Just saying. happy Sunday.
I have a friend who does IT security for a major hospital. He says that their power systems have been knocked out repeatedly (including the backups) by external hacks that produce seemingly impossible results. The hacks seem to always happen shortly after the West does something like sanctions against Russia. Those hacks were always on Tuesdays, I wonder if Tuesday is hospital day but Saturday is nuclear power plant day? What day of the week did the transformer blow 7 months ago I wonder.
Why engage in conjecture? The systems produce the data required to pinpoint the issue. Log that data, then review and report on it.
That said, there is no securing of any hospitals as I know it. Neither physical access, nor information is being appropriately gated within these medical institutions. I can tell you lots of stories of lost personal data, inappropriate administrative/technical controls, and stolen babies....from just one hospital.
What are you, some kinda Nanny Moose?
I just woke up from a twelve-hour hibernation, but as far as I can tell, that is one of the top five funniest things that I've seen anywhere ever.
Thanks! Always happy to make someone laugh!
I doubt that for some reason.
I mean, thats the best bullshit you could come up with?
ZH seems to be hit by three kinds if trolls, in waves...or shifts depending on the subject.
The judeo mafia attack on satudays.
Christian zionists.gov attacks on sundays.
christians and jews who just spout nonsense daily.
The christian zionists attack anyone who goes against GOP propaganda, but are more bloodthirsty and angry than the kosher hasbara.
Most of the time it is hard to discern who is whom.
Not conjecture. One of my buds is a senior IT guy. I'll leave it at that.
They routinely track and deal with foreign (Multitude of sources, China, Russia, ME, other westwern nations) intrusions into stsystems. MAny of which they know of, but are meant to sit silently, awaiting an "order" at some future date.
The CyberWar is Hot and Very Very Real. It is meant to be DEADLY
Check this out http://map.norsecorp.com/
Tuesday is when all the Microsoft code updates get sent out.
Indian Point is a mess. There's electrical cables below the waterline that have their isolation failing. Crumbling concrete and steel. It's falling to pieces.
The ones running the nuclear industry don't give a toss. (they fool themselves and peers, and when it goes wrong, lie to the public some more)
A major accident is inevitable. Presuming the reactor did shut down, NYC just dodged a bullet. It's just that simple.
http://www.fairewinds.org/nuclear-energy-education//anticipating-the-unt...
How does Entergy define its failure modes?
We have already established that Tepco defines a 'small leak' as an open reactor building with the spent fuel pool joining the reactor in spitting blue lightning. With four years and counting of completely uncontrolled criticality.
And the 'nuclear village' is an international community.
If they have a breach, will they call in the Russians to conduct a Chernobyl-style shutdown?
Keepa Your Hands Offa Mafia Staff Reactor!
- Capo Andy
Clearly we need to send EPA there to check why is the fucking water all turd likely brown color???!!! That's some serious polluted waters.
Did they shut down the mosque that is operating at the plant? Mario, please ask Mohammed,( the plant manager), to put that on his to do list. Àlso if they wouldn't mind moving the plant to wall street that would ease everyones mind a bit.
Here come all the yahoos who know diddly squat about nuclear power spouting off how bad this is. Do your homework. Nuclear power in the US is the safest form of power. Tell me what the death statistics are compared to coal, oil or natgas? Huh? Crickets.
Stick a fuel for up your ass cowboy.
well played
Had that potential but ended up a fail. What is a "fuel for"?
I read "fuel rod", that's cause I'm smart.
I read "fuel for", that's cause I can read.
There is a difference between reading and comprehension.
We were just having fun.
Missed it by this much ""!
Well you might argue that nuke power is safer than Warren Buffet's oil trains of death that take out small towns in USA and Canada is fireballs.
The only problem is that Fukishima deal. Also anything GE, Combustion Engineering or Westinghouse makes is shit.
Again, nuclear power has the best safety record of ANY major power source in the US. This is a combination of good design (although most of our plants are well aged), good operator training, and good safety design standards. The Japanese were foolish in their Fukushima design both from a plant design as well as their regulatory framework.
The new designs in the US, if the toadies would wake up, are even better. They are passively safe, that is, they require no active safety systems to prevent a core melt event.
Regulatory framework in Japan? Pretty much whatever the Yakuza wants, the Yakuza gets. They had the contract for Fukishima's maintenance.
The Japanese appear to be nice people but they are one of the weirdest most F'ed up societies going. I can see why they obsess with hari kari seppi ku and all these gory forms of suicide.
We are watching a country commit suicide just like the USA and western Europe. Western Europe might still get saved by Eastern Europe and Russia.
Agreed regarding the Japanese and nuclear power as well as their society in general. Not so much regarding the Russians and their nuclear power. We will fade into irrelevance because of our banksters and corrupt political system. Hopefully, we can at least maintain the ability to defend ourselves. Let's pullout of everywhere else.
"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world"
- George Washington's Farewell Address.
The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."
At least the Russians made an effort to put out the nuclear 'fire' at Chernobyl.
Water is less effective on a nuclear fire than it is on a grease fire. And as near as I can tell, the only thing the Japs have done is to pour water on their wrecked reactors.
The Russians had soldiers pour concrete from cement trucks on the reactors and then buried the soldiers in lead caskets. Fukashima would melt the cement trucks.
The Russians and Ukrainains were very brave. I am now not convinced that Chernoybl was not a stuxnet zio See Eye Aye Mossad operation.
I think Fuki is far worse. Not a peep in the news about it.
"And Lord, we are especially thankful for nuclear power, the cleanest, safest energy source there is. Except for solar, which is just a pipe dream." ~ Homer Simpson
Funny how Homer had that one correct, isn't it?
When cargo ships and airliners can cross oceans on solar panels, then you can call it practical.
Its positively frightening that a cartoon character written to be a lazy ignoramus has a better understanding of science than most US voters.
Nerds understand STEM subjects and get beaten up in school. The "cool kids" smoke pot and run for public office.
And then voters wonder why the economy falls further and further behind...
Russian Roulette can be a very safe game until that 6th 'click' too. As we see with the festering boil known as Fukushima, the resulting impact of an oopsie is pretty dire. Couple that with the waste storage issue the safety record is pretty much moot.
Ah, if only the fuel source wasnt toxic for centuries.....
It aint like you can walk up to it and sweep it into a dustpan.
Better check in with the Japs first, bucko and do YOUR homework. And Fukushima is still spewing forth the Rads in spades, which has probably killed off most of the marine life in the Pacific.
enenews.com
sorry, I meant http://www.enenews.com
see above.
.....and all those spent fuel rods are where?
This the cool thing with the times we live in....
Of the two points in this statement, one is right an done not neccessarily so:
"And Fukushima is still spewing forth the Rads in spades, which has probably killed off most of the marine life in the Pacific."
Yes, Fukishima is spilling thousands of tonnes of water that is passing over melted reactor cores (three of them) into the Pacific.
In the next part:
"Probably" is the warning word.....
"Killed off most of the marine life in the Pacific". Hmmm.... you have data or is that JUST your opinion. There will be shit to pay of some sort itn he Pacific but what and how is yet to be seen. Hyperbol does not help your arguement.
Here's the thing, we have all been programmed to assume that radiation of this level would kill everything quickly, it isn't for whatever reason.
We were told that nothing would be able to live around Chernobyl for 300 hundred years and yet, its one of the healthiest wild areas in Ukraine.....simply because there are no people there. Why didn't everything die like we assumed it would around Chernobyl?
Clearly there is much we don't quite understand yet.
Squid
Radiation is cumulative, like stupidity it seems.
It may not kill off all life in your lifetime, but it is possible that fukushima has killed off most of the west Pacific sea life and raining down on our food and there are many of these beasts just waiting to pop off.
The experts are covering it up as usual (mad props brah).
There you go again squid... trying to explain science to people who majored in finger painting :)
--> "...which has probably killed off most of the marine life in the Pacific."
So most of the fish in the Pacific are dead because of Fukashima? Is there a possibility you just made that stupid comment up? Or pulled it out of your art major (finger painting) ass?
Are all the fish around Hawaii (that are swimming around, very much alive) killed off?
Have you seen that popular TV show "Deadliest Catch", where they are catching LIVE crabs out of the Pacific -- crabs that you claim are dead?
Ignorant enviro-terrorists like you are why the G7 are now the seven most indebted countries in the world.
Burning methane from cow farts is safer. To shut down the reaction, you just stop feeding the cows.
Just imagine what would happen in a EMP episode.
If Tyler gives you a plane ticket to Fukishima Japan, will you please go ??
well played
You can't argue with tree huggers
Seriously? Nuclear is safer than hydro, solar or wind?
Being an upstate New Yorker (far away and upwind of Indian Point) this may be blowback from Entergy due to the governor's meddling in their affairs upstate at the Fitzpatrick plant near Oswego.
The compnay wants to shut it down, but the emperor, er, governor wants to save the high-paying jobs.
Sadly, Cuomo gives Italian-Americans a bad name. I'd much prefer a Gambino or Corleone running the state. They charge a smaller vig and generally mete out justice more swiftly and fairly.
Disclaimer: My heritage is half Italian. The other half is Sicilian. Nobody fucks with me much.
'compnay wants to shut it down, but the emperor, er, governor wants to save the high-paying jobs.
"
Bullshit.
The company isn't a victim.
They don't want to shut these reactors down.
They just got a new certificate.
They are afraid to dismantle it and pay for it cause they are right wing scum.
Coumo wants to shut them down.
How can people be so stupid?
Is it the water?
I'll give you that: running the plant might make some money and de-commisssioning it will only cost money.
I know what almost every/any greed-minded corporate suit is going to choose: more money for ME and my cronies NOW and the contentious and expensive remediation put off for someone else to figure out and pay for LATER...
A generation or two using up resources and enjoying cheap power but leaving behind massive amounts of highly toxic waste and pollution without even a cogent plan for disposal or remediation to their politically powerless progeny says a great deal about the state of inter-generational respect, cultural values and national character to me...
--> "Coumo wants to shut them down.
Cuomo's lack of engineering background makes him think a couple solar panels and a windmill can generate as much electricity as a nuclear plant.
--> How can people be so stupid?"
You voted for Cuomo. You tell us
--> "Being an upstate New Yorker..."
Stopped reading your nonsense after seeing that.
You meant to write: "Being someone who gets a free ride off taxes paid in NY City, I like to complain all day that NYC doesn't send me more free shit"
Albany obeys NYC, because that is where the money is. People like Cuomo (and his dad) destroyed the industry that used to power upstate New York
One would think that a nuclear reactor would be a great place for a terrorist organization to strike. I hope the security there is tight.
You mean like the attack dogs with their vocal cords surgically removed?
Standard Disclaimer: Urban legend from my days when I trained to run a nuclear reactor in Ballston Spa. Saw the dogs, never heard them bark. Military security was much tighter before DoD Directive 5210.56...
Standard Disclaimer: At first I was going to blame Clinton before I researched it further.
It was during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, that the U.S. Department of Defense issued a directive in February 1992 affecting the carrying of firearms on bases by military personnel. That directive was eventually implemented through a regulation
190-14 issued by the Department of the Army (not via executive order) in March 1993, just two months after President Clinton assumed office. I blame Clinton and every President that followed for not rescinding that directive.It is amazing how many believe the military should carry weapons, including me,,, but most of those still would like to take guns away from the citizens at large. Going through boot camp I spent one week at the range for training. That's it. One whole week.
Heck, I had far more training and experience just growing up. A fun movie depicting this is the Audie Murphy "To hell and back".(A real hero, unlike hero's of this time)
And for those that want "training",,, what exactly do they want. It isn't rocket science,,, just point and pull trigger. No,,, the training they are after is to scare you into never using it, even in self defense.
That Kennedy kid that talks like Kate Hepburn told me the terrorizers were going after that place. Maybe he will be right.
Heroin fried his brain.
If ever there was a reactor where the world would be better off if it melted down.., that's the one.
Think about what you are saying: consider the havoc a radioactive bald hulk-like Jim Cramer would cause.
The horror, the horror.
How would that be different from the current Jim Cramer?
He'd be radioactive, green, and instead of being an annoying stock catch phrase, booyah would be the cry he uses when foot-stomping skulls... or gnawing on the carcasses of his victims.
So yeah, not a lot of difference.
That would only make the stock 'market' zoom up even moar!
How do you have a blackout at the plant that makes the electricity........?
See above. Nuclear power plants derive their primary power from the electricity they produce. When there is a loss of that power due to a failure of some sort, there are safety systems that come on line which are powered by redundant emergency generators.
"Redundant" generators. Makes me think "retarded" generators, for some reason.
Huh. Imagine that.
When it stops making electricity.
This is a bumb design that needs to be shut down occasionally to change out the spent fuel rods.
Its in the fine print....
The blackout was only to the control rods.
They should have worded it as such: "A power failure to the control rods of reactor number...".
But they didn't, they said blackout.
Cut the reported some slack, he's likely a useless arts graduate and if it wasn't this poorly written shite keeping food on the table he'd be asking if you'd like fries with that.
Squid
"'safely' shutdown the Unit 2 reactor due to a major outage cut power to several control rods."
This statement makes no sense. Control rod power sourcing should be triple redundant.
How does this happen?
By what method was the reactor shut-down if "...several control rods lost power."?
Gravity was used in the first reactors and the rod assembly was supported by a rope which was cut with an axe by a man on standby. The emergency shutdown was called a SCRAM for "Safety Control Rod Axe Man".
squid - You missed a couple steps...
First, a clueless, second generation politician, who has staff to change light bulbs for him, tried to explain how a nuclear plant works. His speech writers tried to use lots of scary words and science-y sounding terms that neither the speech writers nor the politician understood.
A communications major (or maybe art?) used their finger painting skills to try to understand what the politician was confused about. The communications major turned in the story to a news paper editor...
The editor double majored in communications and marketing (still not an engineer in sight). The editor reasoned that they would sell more news papers if they scared the shit out of a public known world wide for their lack of STEM (science, tech, engineering, math) backgrounds. Nerds understand math and science, not politicians and certainly not athletes/communication majors.
Scaring an ignorant public sells newspapers and gets ultra-liberal votes. Actually understanding the problem doesn't benefit any of the players involved...
Here you gp:
Interfacing Nuclear Power Plants with the Electric Grid:
the Need for Reliability amid Complexity
https://www.iaea.org/About/Policy/GC/GC53/GC53InfDocuments/English/gc53i...
NPPs are unique and powerful generators compared to other electricity generating plants. Moreover,
they are both electricity generators and customers. They thus maintain a symbiotic relationship with
the electric grid at all times. NPPs supply large amounts of energy to the grid as well as relying on it to
receive power for crucial safety operations, especially during emergency conditions. The safe startup,
operation and shutdown of NPPs require a reliable and stable power supply from the electric grid,
referred to generally as ‘off-site power’.
--> "How do you have a blackout at the plant that makes the electricity........?"
When you have a corrupt ignorant politician trying to incite fear in the public, it helps if many voters struggled in public school science.
If the public school voters actually understood math, they wouldn't support sky high taxes either.
There is a reason most public school funding goes to administrative overhead, not into class rooms.
"Lost power to some control rods" What was it, a blown fuse? Circuit breaker? Sounds to me like something major. I hope these aren't GE Mark I reactors (like Fukushima), otherwise, look out below!
GE is a NY state outfit or really in Connecticut. I am sure it is GE or Westinghouse crap. All the USA reactors were designed to create nuke fuel for bombs instead of safety.
Hillary and others have always made sure GE never had to pay the piper for all the PCBs GE dumped in NY rivers. If Ge had to clean up the rivers - they would have gone broke.
Also when GE's debt was about to go China Syndrome with credit default swaps (CDS) and GE blowing up - Uncle Sam and Obola back stopped all of GE's debt.
Exactly. You don't lose power to "some control rods".
The issue with Fukushima was not with the reactor design. It was with the allowed location and design of the support systems, that is, emergency generators.
It's also a good thing if diesel generators are not your only backup. Some more modern designs have a little emergency turbine that runs off of decay heat, and makes enough power to keep the controls working.
Well, the OTHER issue with Fukushima was that huge amounts of spent fuel rods were stored in the reactor buildings, and in unstable configurations. "Let's put the spent fuel pools on the second floor, and then fill them to capacity. What could go wrong?"
Yup. Bad facility design and no framework to question it.
You'd do better talking to the rock. Not what crawls out from underneath it when an article about nuclear power pops up on Zero Hedge.
Standard Disclaimer: Contrary to popular belief, Homer Simpson does not work at a nuclear plant in real life.
i agree with some of what you wrote below but gave you -1 because i dislike your impertinent attitude. :P
Bzzzt, wrong, but thanks for playing.
>You don't lose power to "some control rods".
This is false. Each control rod (or in some cases a bank of control rods) has it's own control circuitry. Something goes wrong in a particular control rod's circuitry, then yes, you can lose power to a control rod, or bank of control rods. Been there, done that.
A certain pool water reactor I worked at had a whopping total of three control rods. Each control rod was lifted by an electromagnet. Lose power, control rod drops due to gravity. This research reactor was so old, I had to wind the electromagnets by hand since most of the equipment was too old to even find replacement parts. Generally if something broke, I had to call around to other universities to see if they might have a spare. When I couldn't find one, I had to find a suitable off the shelf replacement.
I up-arrowed you though for your statement about the placement of the emergency generators at Fukushima.
Agreed. Although I suspect your university reactor was a subcritical design.
Subcritical means it's not a reactor. You see, you have to have a chain reaction ...
...
...
Oh, what's the use.
Wrong. A reactor implies that there is a reaction being produced. A subcritical reaction is still a reaction; it is just not self-sustaining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcritical_reactor
I have a problem with the design. This "fast reactor" design requires powered cooling at all times and the "spent fuel" is barely spent, still highly reactive.
The only reactors that should be allowed are the more expensive and complex breeder reactors that can passivly cool and can burn the fuel to depletion.
There is now enough spent fuel stored in dangerous isolation to power breeder reactors for a long, long time. Or enough to poison all life on earth. Not much of a choice.
These are not fast reactors. These are water moderated thermal reactors. That being said, it's a shame that doofus Carter killed the breeder program.
Possible Lost the ablity to raise or lower the control rods. Or could be they could not actuate the servos that move the control rods. Could be nothing or could be bad, I guess if I lived near it I would have my bags packed just in case.
How much reactor design have you actually studied in your life?
Standard Disclaimer: Better yet, have you ever operated a reactor?
Study how a nuclear reactor works? Are you mad?
Do you seriously believe Andrew Cuomo, second generation politician, has ever changed a light bulb on his own?
I doubt he knows how to work a flashlight. He has support staff for that
Saying "blackout" and "major outage" makes it sound like an entire region lost power. Very significant story at first glance.
Some money in the budget to fix the crumbling US infrastructure would do more good than blowing money on investigators.
Fixing or improving infrastructure would only help taxpayers.
Adding lots of high paying government inspector jobs helps the public unions, which help Cuomo.
Obviously you don't have your priorities straight! /sarc
How far is the reactor from the NY Fed, Goldman Sachs trading floor and Soros NYC offices? Probably not as close as I would like.
They just need to unplug everything, wait 10 seconds, then turn everything back on. EZ Peezy.
Or hit the 'any' key to continue.
What do I do if my keybord doesn't have an "any" key??
ctl-alt-del
If you can't find "Any key" on your keyboard, then just keep voting for Cuomo and Obama... you'll get the economy you deserve
Sounds like you've had to deal with AT&T customer service recently.
at&t has "global world class" customer service. Just ask them.
What you talking about?
Better wait the full minute, might be supercaps in there somewhere !!!
Any passports found ?
What a stunt by the governor. It's a serious situation, but not out of procedure. NERC has it.
I bet they don't even let NY DPS on site.
I wonder if they have enough pocket dosimeters to go around.
Not likely. On my last H2S job, (which hit 1500 PPM) they found we were short 2 drop hoses on the cascade air system, but thats OK, because we were short 12 SCBA packs to get to our cascade stations...
From the article, the operators on site have it well under control. From the article, after losing power, the control rods reacted exactly how they were supposed to.
NERC and the state employee union dolts can't even figure out how to repair the pot holes in the NY state thruway leading toward the power plant.
Are we supposed to believe they understand how a nuclear plant works?
Lets start them off with something they might be qualified for: give the public union folks a flashlight and two D batteries and lets see if they can figure that out first.
Just remember: government regulators were closely monitoring Three Mile Island before it had a melt down. Government regulators (from at least a dozen agencies) were closely monitoring all the big banks in 2007.
You really want to trust public union members at a nuclear plant?
Do Jane Fonda and Michael Douglas have video?
If you believe anything a Cuomo tells you, (CNN Chris or Albany Andrew) then you deserve to die in a nuclear accident.
#Darwin
Ultra left wingers like Cuomo (just like the ultra right wingers) use fear and ignorance to protect and extend their rule. Cuomo is a hero of the stupid and the terrified.
The more fear he incites in his followers, the more power he gets for himself.
Godzilla Bankers deserve bailouts too!
Save the Godzilla Bankers!
From the article, it is difficult to determine if this is a minor or major issue.
However, what we do know is that most of the more than 100 reactors in the US are 40 years old or older. Engineers built them to last 4o years. And, so, they were licensed for that length of time. Over the last decade each plant has petitioned and received a license extension to 60 years. Some are talking about extending those license for yet another 20 years beyond that or 80 years!
Given the above, if you were a governor wouldn't you be moving to replace these reactors if for no other reason than there is no back up plan to repalce 25% of New York cities power should they go off line? Wouldn't you want to have in place reactors that were designed with 21st century engineering?Wouldn't you want to have reactos that don't pile up nuclear waste whose half life is measured in millenniums?
But, no. This stupid stupid governor's priorities are moving his state to tax carbon emissions and by doing so raise electricity rates through the roof. Global warming is the problem and humans are the culprits - don't you know?
Wait a minute! What's that sound? It is the sound of people packing up and moving out of the democrap controlled state of New York and some of the highest taxes and crappiest government services in the 50 states.
The reason they keep extending the operating licenses is that to shut one down is to go bankrupt. The hideous mess that has been created, thousands of tons of spent fuel along with highly contaminated vessels and piping cannot be dealt with without great expense. Each plant is essentially a nuclear waste dump that must be staffed and guarded in perpetuity.
The US Navy manages to decomission plants without great expense.
The radioactive species with half lives between 10 and 50 years are the worst.
Short half life - fast decay.
Long half life - not much radiation.
Plutonium and Uranium have long half lives and are amongst the worst if breathed in or ingested. The uncontainable nuclear mess we have created on this planet is doom for all living things.
--> "From the article, it is difficult to determine if this is a minor or major issue."
Nope, its rather obvious from the article that there is no issue at all. Power to some control rods failed, and the control rods responded exactly how they were supposed to. Human operators monitored and responded to the event exactly how they were supposed to.
Cuomo is being a corrupt asshole, trying to incite public fear for his own campaign purposes.
Coal, oil and natural gas plants have technical problems all the time (especially as they age). Operators shut down whatever furnace / generator, do whatever repairs are needed and consumers are never told.
The one and only reason this made news is because of the word "nuclear". Ignorant, public union educated types with absolutely no clue how to replace a light bulb hear that word and panic. Panic leads to lots of votes for heroes of the stupid like Cuomo.
Cuomo will no doubt succeed in panicking the ignorant masses, too dumb to understand where their tax money really goes because they barely passed public school algebra (and that is only for the really advanced kids).
Years after Cuomo has turned NY state into the next Venezeula economic hell hole, someone will realize that covering upstate NY in solar panels and windmills won't be enough to replace one of the nuclear plants Cuomo is so afraid of.
Ultra left wingers like Cuomo (just like the ultra right wingers) use fear and ignorance to protect and extend their rule.
Its news when the plant works as designed?
Squid
There was no radioactivity released. No, it escaped.
According to many ZH commenters' understanding of radioactivity, the only danger here is an accident causes radioactiive material to enter the water and air and we all get superpowers and bigger cocks.
"Problem is that you never can shutdown a nuclear reactor."
Not so. You can shut them down such that they are not creating enough heat for the coolant to boil water. So technically, its shut down.
However, you CANNOT shutdown the cooling system. The fuel rods, even though they've had cadnium control rods pushed in everywhere in the reactor to stop the nuetrons and hence the fission, the fuel is still hot, VERY HOT, and will remain so for a few decades. Kinda like a car engine that takes 50 years to cool off after you turn off the ignition.
Squid
Perhaps the problem stems from the fact that wind turbines have first priority in the grid when the wind is blowing and they were forced to use the plant to act as a peaker to buttress the intermittent wind power? Just like San Onofre in California?
But we can't "invest" in liquid fluoride thorium reactor technology because that would spell the end of the "green energy" parasites scam.
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All the nuclear waste in America is being stored in containers out on the desert where the old atomic experiments took place.Nobody wants anything stored in their backyards.Nobody in government wants to talk about it or switch to another solution without disposal problems like nuclear.Turn a blind eye to waste that will last at least 50,000 years.And then there's the question of what the cost will be and the effects of cleaning up after all these nuclear plants across the country when the time comes that they all have to be dismantled.That'll bust the budget.
Not true. Spent rods are actually stored onsite at the plants.
Ah, more anti-nuclear hysteria and environmental mischief.
Take a job at Hanford then if you think nuclear is so hunky dory.
Bwaaa glow in the dar liberals!!! Best news I've heard all day.
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Same shit, different industry.
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So power from the different units are not available if power is lost to one of them.
Give me a break!
Nuclear Power Sucks! I have a better idea. It's DARK outside, GO HOME. In stead of running around 24/7 to watch foozball and bat ball games at lighted stadiums or shopping at stupid lit up shopping malls all night long.
don't care. new yorkers don't give a fuck about what happens to america so why should we give a fuck about them? it might as well have happened in mongolia for all i care.
This article really strange. What do they means, because of massive blackout, some control rods loose power??
You use outside power to control control rods that moderates chain reaction of your nuclear reactor? Are you really that stupid??
Most reactor control rods have 4 types of backup power, before it runs out of options. From UPS, to diesel generator, outside power, mechanical gravity lowering mechanism. You DO NOT, RELYING FOR JUST OUTSIDE POWER, TO CONTROL THESE RODS!!
Since this article based on that above statements? It doesn't makes any sense.
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What I think is happening was, power lines got shorted out, breakers got shutdowned, since there is suddenly NO LOAD TO YOUR GENERATOR? Those turbines suddenly run dangerously high RPM's (most NPP turbines rated at 700-1500 Megawatts of loads!!), reactor MUST BE SHUTDOWNED!! And that's WHY you have to lowered their controls rods!!
However, lowering your control rods while nuclear chain reaction at MAX RUNS? You will get EXCESS HEATS for HOURS!! That heat must be dumped and that takes time when you have 1000-2200 Megawatts of heats!!
So, that reactor?? NEED TIMES BEFORE RESTARTING TO FULL POWER CAN BE COMMENCED!
And that's why, it seems those NPP seems to be broken. And that's what I think is happened there.
But, again, I'm NOT that expert in NPP's..
All of you are wrong!! It's Geogre Bush's fault
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5p283KZGa8
IMPRESSIVE. Knowledgeable and poetic – without a script. And so young too. I would like to say Rage is a beautiful thing, but it is not, it is horrible that we have d/evolved to the point of rage being … necessary. Sad to see the small number of people who were listening, or stopped to listen.
In a perfect world nuclear power is a great way to generate electricity, but it has one unacceptable problem we cannot solve, which for some reason few people except geologists know about or understand. This problem is that we have no method to dispose of nuclear waste, NONE. All the radioactive waste created since the dawn of nuclear technology is in temporary storage, and always will be.
There is a solution to the 'spent fuel' problem. There are a couple of forward moving nations that have a working solution. Several nations including our own have developed a way to reprocess spent fuel and then abandoned their working reprocessing nuclear powerplants. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor
Even simpler solution: put the spent fuel rods in the state capital building (and Congress). Its not like the radiation could make them any more stupid than they already are, and making politicians sterile would be a good thing for the rest of us.
When they say radioactivity wasn't released.
That means it was released.
They cannot tell the truth.
If I worked at, or lived near this plant.
I'd get a HAIR ANALYSIS performed for toxic metals.
If your Cesium is high, chances are you're fucked.