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Did Turkey Just Invade Iraq To Protect Erdogan's ISIS Oil Smuggling Routes?

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On Friday, Turkey sent troops into Iraq.

Here's a video of the deployment shared on social media:

Contrary to what you might have read, there’s really nothing unusual about that. 

As you may recall, Turkey’s military entered Iraq back in September in hot pursuit of PKK “terrorists” Ankara claimed had fled over the border. And that was just par for the proverbial course.  Here’s what we said at the time: 

In early 2008, Turkish soldiers entered Iraq in a similar effort to eradicate the PKK. "Operation Sun", as the incursion was called, was conducted with Washington's blessing for the most part. "Washington described the PKK as a 'common enemy', and only urged Ankara to keep its incursion short and closely focused," BBC noted at the time, adding that "the positions of the UN and EU have been similar, suggesting a degree of sympathy with Turkey's cause."

 

And then there was "Operation Steel" in 1995. And "Operation Hammer" in 1997." And "Operation Dawn." And the aplty named "Operation Northern Iraq." 

 

You get the idea. 

 

So while history doesn't repeat itself, it damn sure rhymes and here we are again watching as the Turkish military crosses the Iraqi border as though it's not even there chasing "terrorists" up into the mountains.

What’s different this time around, is that this isn’t a Kurd-chasing mission.

In fact, if you believe the official line, it’s the exact opposite. Turkey has apparently had some 90 troops on the ground in Bashiqa “for two years” on a mission to “train” the Peshmerga. The new troops - around 150 personnel supported by two dozen tanks- will “take over the mission,” according to Hurriyet. “Turkey will have a permanent military base in the Bashiqa region of Mosul as the Turkish forces in the region training the Peshmerga forces have been reinforced,” the daily continues, adding that “the deal regarding the base was signed between Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu, during the latter’s visit to northern Iraq on Nov. 4.” 

Ok, so what’s important to remember here is that although Erdogan is no “fan-o’-Kurds”, Ankara is friendly with the KRG and indeed, Barzani’s 632,000 b/d oil operation (which, you’re reminded, runs independent of SOMO, much to Baghdad’s chagrin) depends heavily on a pipeline that runs from Iraq to Ceyhan. Over the summer, the PKK attacked the pipeline costing the KRG some $250 million in lost revenue. As Rudaw noted at the time, that amounts to an entire month’s worth of salaries for the Peshmerga and other security forces, underscoring the extent to which oil sales via Turkey are crucial to the government in Erbil.

You might also remember from "ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection," that there seems to be some commingling going on when it comes to Turkish and ISIS crude. Technically, both are "illegal" and because the 45,000 or so barrels per day that ISIS pumps are so inconsequential in the large scheme of things, it's easy for Islamic State crude to get "lost" in the shuffle once it gets to Turkey which works out great for those involved in the smuggling operation (as an aside, Russia has identified what Moscow says are other ISIS oil smuggling routes but we'll focus on northern Iraq for now).

You might notice that there's a certian irony to this whole thing as it relates to the KRG. What the Al-Araby al-Jadeed report (cited in the article linked above) suggests is that the Kurds in Iraq are to some extent complicit in the entire operation which is amusing because it's the sale of undocumented Kurdish crude that allegedly funds the Peshmerga's fight against Islamic State. As with every other dynamic in the region, the entire thing is impossibly convoluted. 

With that in mind, consider where these Turkish troops (who, again, are supposed to be "training" the Peshmerga) are located. 

So they're right next to Mosul and right between the Kurds and ISIS and, most importantly of all, right on what Al-Araby al-Jadeed claims is the smuggling route for illegal ISIS crude into Turkey from Iraq.

The star on the map is Zakho. Araby al-Jadeed, citing an unnamed Kurdish security officials, employees at the Ibrahim Khalil border crossing between Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan, and an official at one of three oil companies that deal in IS-smuggled oil, says that once Islamic State oil "is extracted and loaded, the oil tankers leave Nineveh province and head north to the city of Zakho, 88km north of Mosul [and] after IS oil lorries arrive in Zakho - normally 70 to 100 of them at a time - they are met by oil smuggling mafias, a mix of Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, in addition to some Turks and Iranians."

Araby al-Jadeed's story takes a turn for the fantastic after that, but the point is that it seems extraordinarily convenient that just as Russia is making an all-out effort to expose Turkey's role in financing Islamic State's lucrative oil operation and also to destroy ISIS oil convoys in Syria, that Ankara would dispatch troops and two dozen tanks to the exact place in Iraq where some reports suggest the heart of ISIS' Iraqi oil operation lies. 

For his part, Iraqi PM Haider al-Abadi has called for Turkey to "immediately" withdraw its troops. He also calls Ankara's incursion a "violation of sovereignty." Here's the full statement:

It has been confirmed to us that Turkish troops numbering around one regiment armoured with tanks and artillery entered the Iraqi territory, and specifically the province of Nineveh claim that they are training Iraqi groups without the request or authorization from the Iraqi federal authorities and this is considered a serious breach of Iraqi sovereignty and does not conform with the good neighbourly relations between Iraq and Turkey.

 

The Iraqi authorities call on Turkey to respect good neighbourly relations and to withdraw immediately from the Iraqi territory.

That would seem to indicate that Baghdad has never approved the "training mission" that Ankara claims has been going on east of Mosul for two years.

Furthermore, this underscores the fact that Iraq does not want help from NATO when it comes to fighting ISIS. As we reported last week, Iraqis generally believe the US is in bed with Islamic State and you can bet that Russia and Iran will be keen on advising Baghdad to be exceptionally assertive when it comes to expelling a highly suspicious Turkish presence near Najma. 

Ultimately, this is yet another escalation from Erdogan and the timing, location, and vague explanation raise all sorts of questions about what exactly those 150 troops and 25 tanks are doing but you can be sure that if Baghdad rebukes Washington and green lights Russian recon and airstrikes in Iraq, we'll find out soon enough.

 

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Sat, 12/05/2015 - 09:55 | 6879633 johngaltfla
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Maybe, maybe not. But one thing for sure, it appears they delivered weapons and ammo to their beleagured ISIS allies.

Worse, they just doubled down with Russia:

12.05 BREAKING NEWS: Turkey Detains 4 Russian Ships in Black Sea
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 09:59 | 6879642 Truther
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Watch, Erdogan will get his ass obliterated along with the Zionist Mossad facilitating the illegal oil channels that Israel gets at the end. Putin will check mate them all as he has cheked off Barry and friends.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:05 | 6879664 -.-
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¡Pinché guajolote!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:09 | 6879670 Looney
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Erdogan has lost his mind!

With Turkey’s NATO “friends” flexing their sphincters in the neighborhood, Erdogan is about to become a victim of a self-inflicted Heimlich maneuver gone terribly wrong.  ;-)

Looney

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:14 | 6879679 Latina Lover
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Did Turkey Just Invade Iraq To Protect Erdogan's ISIS Oil Smuggling Routes?

 

The answer is YES!   Erdogans family will make billions off stolen syrian oil delivered by the ISIS head choppers.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:27 | 6879692 Looney
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US Building Military Airbase in Northeastern Syria

TEHRAN (FarsNews)- US experts are reconstructing and equipping a desolate airport special to carrying agricultural products in the region controlled by the Kurdish forces in Hasaka region, Northeastern Syria, to turn it into a military base…

… The US has not received or even asked for permission from Damascus for reconstructing the airbase. The United States does not have a UN mandate for intervening in the Syria war.

BTW, this is slightly to the North of Iraq's Mosul, where Turkey has deployed its tanks.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940914000257

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:33 | 6879720 BaBaBouy
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Oilbama, please send 60-Minutes To Ceyhan to investigate, they always get to the bottom of things..... Oh wait...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:32 | 6879832 DeadFred
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I saw a poster the other day. It had Putin's profile and the words "Get your ham while you can because there may not be any Turkey by Christmas".

Both the Christmas and ham references seemed very anti-semitic, shame on him!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:54 | 6879851 Manthong
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We don’t want to leave Iran out of the fun.

Iran ready to present proof of Turkey’s oil trade with ISIS – Tehran official
Iran has evidence of illegal oil trade between Turkey and Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) – and is ready to deliver the information to Ankara and the public, a state official said. Tehran has gathered photos and video footage of oil trucks entering Turkey.

I don't have a good feeling about this, but if Russia turns off the gas to Turkey this time of year maybe a lot of Turks will get cold feet about their government.

And NATO member or not a turkey should not try to mess with a bear.

Maybe it's time to just declare Turkey an arm of Daesch.

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:20 | 6879914 two hoots
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We may be looking at this all wrong, well, partly wrong.

Remember the drug money the CIA used to support operations?

 

How about:  ISIS oil is sold to Turkey, then sold to Israel.  Turkey (father/son) shares the profit (from Israel) with the CIA to support Free Syria Army units to overthrow Assad. 

 

Turkey profits, Israel gets cheap oil, CIA (allows all to happen) and gets funding for FSA units through a program called MOM, for Mü?terek Operasyon Merkezi.   And yes, this is the fiasco that all fell apart, but continues in an improved version.

 

ISIS in the area was never bombed before?  Dropped leaflets?  ISIS being a tool, as the priority is overthrow of Assad not destroying ISIS, a side bar operation, for now.

 

So the other questions is: Is the CIA using ISIS oil to support operations?  

Interesting reading (that spurred my thoughts)

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/media-maskirovka-russia-and-the-free-sy...


    

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:44 | 6880026 Winston Churchill
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You only just realized that ?

It was my assumption from the start.

Hard not to make a good profit when the oil is stolen.

Not just the Turks wallet getting hit, and Uncle Scam may, or may not, know whats really going on.

Wouldn't be the first time the CIA has gone rogue.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6880059 two hoots
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I can be a little slow sometimes as I generally don’t jump in before overthinking something and always try to move from just the event to what caused the event (where the fix needs to be), anyway:

 

Kerry sticks with the overthrow of Assad priority, he does no budge.  It only seems reasonable that the oil, MOM operation, all operate out of Turkey, so why not keep the funding (the dark funding)  “in-house”? 

  

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:02 | 6880109 Winston Churchill
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it the CIA pattern.Use their black budget as seed money to trade in contraband.

Heroin,cocaine,crack and now oil.

I had a little experience in similar fields, and there were always guys involved in Brooks Bros.

suits somewhere doing it as well.More ruthless than the ordinary gangsters i sometimes rubbed shoulders with..

About time they took up something more respectable, like bank fraud, though I'm pretty sure

they do that as well.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:17 | 6880165 two hoots
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I’m okay with shady black op stuff used to protect national interest.  But this entire package is affecting our freedoms, abusing ( I have no problem using) our military, loss of trust in government and stinks of elitism.  It has taken on a life of its own and gone too far.

  

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:51 | 6880271 Four chan
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is it too late to clone saddam?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:55 | 6880280 Flagit
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I’m okay with shady black op stuff used to protect national interest.

Newsflash, tard.

You should NOT be.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 17:43 | 6880986 Macchendra
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Wait, I thought we were still talking about San Bernadino...  Why is everyone trying to change the subject?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 22:31 | 6881866 Nexus789
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Those 20 or so tanks that should really be in a museum will make nice targets.  Does anyone think the US will trade the annihilation of New York to protect Turkey? 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:55 | 6880073 Dame Ednas Possum
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W.R.T. Turkish soldiers entering Iraq... I believe the term is 'human shield'.

One of the many uses for proud, deluded, order-following, expendable young military personnel. The Pat Tilman story, although at the extreme end of the spectrum, springs to mind.

Disgusting, perversely sinister.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:04 | 6880687 83_vf_1100_c
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Are they protecting oil interests? Well, yeah. Duh. Does it make jack shit difference to me as a lowly serf of the USSA. Not really. Can I do anything about any of it. No. The only thing I have any control over regarding the pre-WW3 ops is to keep my 3 boys out of the military. Starve the beast of cannon fodder. Will my kids listen? Fuck if I know. Seems like the harder I try to share my scant wisdom the harder they rebel. Keep your kids home folks!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 17:21 | 6880924 August
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It's tough to keep normal young men from signing up to kill the "bad people over there", particularly if the job market is discouraging.

Good luck!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:47 | 6881619 WhackoWarner
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Why exactly is the job market so dismal and student debt so high?  Young people will go into military just to get a job.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:53 | 6880274 Flagit
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Uncle Scam may, or may not, know whats really going on.

LOL, oh man, had me goin' there for a minute.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:17 | 6880338 Winston Churchill
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Its not just the bankers looting everything from the sinking ship.

Uncle Scam may be turning a blind eye to the Turks, while not knowing what CIA operatives

are doing on the ground.Those guys are loose ends and they know how loose ends

are dealt with.Like my CIA aquaintance that drowned in a well in Goa, the guy NEVER went out

unless it was in a crowd in daylight,So he went out alone,on a moonless night,and fell into a well.

Yeah right.

Sun, 12/06/2015 - 01:07 | 6882273 Socratic Dog
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Wouldn't be the first time the CIA has gone rogue?

It's been rogue since its inception.  That's why Wall St created it.  Killing the president (Kennedy) made them untouchable.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:13 | 6879919 pelican
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So are we offically in WWIII yet?  If NATO was smart, they would kick Turkey out of Nato.  That isn't going to happen though.

With the Chinese, Russians, Americans, French all massing Military equipment with 18 year old kids manning them, what could possibily go wrong?

 

Thanks Bush, Obama, Hillary and Kerry for doing this.  You could not mind your own damn business and leave the Bathist lunatics to deal with their populations as they felt fit.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 17:33 | 6880953 Youri Carma
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I slowly but surely get the feeling that this will be a very busy Christmas, war wise speaking. But what do the pro-semitic care? And any satanist loves to roar up a good Christmas.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 21:31 | 6881734 NEKO
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If ISIS is supported/controlled by Turkey (so in effect is part of Turkey)... then is Turkey the real enemy here?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:35 | 6879726 Keyser
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Hmm, didn't the Iraqi PM request that the Russian air force assist in expelling ISIS from Iraq?  Seems like a good time to add these high-value Iraqi targets to the list for the SU24's, just for shits and giggles... 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:26 | 6879813 Savvy
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Now that would be interesting. Russia attacking a NATO member that's invading another country. LOL!!

 

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 19:39 | 6881370 conscious being
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Russia should be invited inti Iraq to destroy the oil convoys like they did / are doing in Syria. Not much the Turks could do, but watch and cry.

Sun, 12/06/2015 - 07:46 | 6882655 Mentaliusanything
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In times of confusion many have made fortunes out of misery, if they back the winning side. Personally this is a complete meltdown of planned intelligence gone nuts.

World War 3 has started it just that like the economy, it has been Nationally adjusted and you can all sleep well because its over there and not over here (yet).

Those who fail to plan are planning to fail.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:50 | 6879746 css1971
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Next step. The official recognition of Kurdistan as a sovereign nation.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:56 | 6879888 Paveway IV
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"...The official recognition of Kurdistan as a sovereign nation..."

The U.S. and Israel are not done ethnically cleansing Iraqi Kurd land (arabs, Yazidi, etc.) and they are not done stealing enough oil wells. Since the furthest oil wells are many miles from historic Kurdish land, they have to sieze it from the 'temps' (ISIS) first, then hang on to it. When Israel and the U.S. had their puppet mobster Barzani take over enough oil fields, they will draw 'Kurdistan' lines a few miles beyond and then claim it all for their new fake country. Erdogan must have fucked up so much that ZATO is forced to start the war for fake Kurdish independence early.

The Kurds do have a legitimate desire for autonomy and (someday) independence, but they are not politically unified, not even in Iraq. There are a few Kurdish factions that are fighting to be the top crime family in the new fake Kurdistan - Barzani was the clan that won U.S./Israeli backing. They are a the biggest, most powerful crime family in Iraqi Kurdistan thanks to that, but they 'represent' the average Iraqi Kurd about as much as Saddam Hussein represented all Iraqis. The Barzani clan and their party are maybe .05% of Iraqi Kurdistan and (with the censorship help of Barzani TV and newspapers) maybe have support of 30% of the Iraqi Kurds. If they knew he was selling ISIS oil to the Turks, he would only have 5% or so of the Kurds backing him. 

Tyler: “..the deal regarding the base was signed between Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu, during the latter’s visit to northern Iraq on Nov. 4...” 

Barzani is not the president. His term expired a year ago and he (unsuccessfully) is trying to change the constitution so he can stay on for a third term - or more - tyrannical dictators hate the bother of periodic elections. Barzani would prefer to be president for life, so he can concentrate on stealing everything possible from the Iraqi and Kurdish people. See why the U.S. and Israel just love this guy?

Not only is he not president, but you typically wait until after you have a war of independence AND WIN before you start making contracts to sell your mother country's oil and gas, and make foreign policy decisions on inviting other nation's troops on your soil. Barzani is, of course, protecting his illegal oil sales (both ISIS and Iraq). Iraq is pissed, which was the precise intent:

The U.S., U.K and Israel want Iraq to attack Barzani so they can invade northern Iraq.

It's important, so I'll repeat:

The U.S., the U.K. and Israel wnat Iraq to attack Barzani as a pretext to start a war send in troops. The troops are not going to be sent to protect 'the Kurds', but U.S., U.K. and Israeli oil interests. They will dress up the invasion as R2P but tens of thousands of Kurds and Iraqis will die. The intent will not be to stage a winnable war, but one that quickly stalemates where ZATO can force Iraq to the negotiating table to accept the 'new' borders of Kurdistan. I suppose a fake U.N. peacekeeping force can be stationed along a DMZ forever. Israel seems to like 'free' U.N. border guards like they have in the stolen Golan Heights.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:12 | 6879934 newdoobie
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+1 Paveway, I haven't been back to Turkey for years but you obviously know your stuff.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:46 | 6879975 Paveway IV
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One picture is worth a thousand words: Fake Kurdistan - Exxon - Genel

There are similar graphics for other Western oil interests, all of which are interested in drilling outside the boundaries of the currently recognized Kurdish controlled region. Thus, the need for a bigger new Fake Kurdistan with conveniently-redrawn expanded borders over potential oil finds.

I should have mentioned that MOST Kurds hate the Turks. Barzani clan/KRG mafia love the Turks - they're their best customers for ISIS oil. Since Barzani runs bartertown, he invited the Turks in. This was mostly to protect the Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline on the Iraqi side of the border because it would look bad if Barzani (the illegal Kurd president) killed other Kurds to protect his smuggling pipeline.

The Turkish military has been regularly bombing Kurds in Cizre - that's the Turkish side of the Kirkuk - Ceyhan pipeline crossing. They also want to bomb Kurds on the Iraqi (or Fake Kurdistan) side of the line to protect the pipeline. 

The average Kurd don't necessarily mind sending oil through the pipeline to Turkey, but they resent that Barzani has claimed himself king and is stealing most of the money and running oil off-the-books. They have previously bombed the pipeline in an act of defiance to Barzani. The Turkish army is in Iraq to kill defiant Kurds - mostly PKK and YPG - and to protect their moneymaker.

The U.S. and U.K. don't give a rat's ass about the Kurds - they just want cheap exploration and production contracts. They'll support anyone that can deliver them, and Barzani did (illegally, of coruse). Israel doesn't give a rat's ass about the Kurds either. They want the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline running 24x7 and they'll support anyone that can guarantee that happens. If ISIS somehow was claimed as the regional authority in Western Iraq, then Israel would give them arms and money to guard their pipeline. In fact, they must be doing that now because ISIS seems to be ignoring the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline and pumping stations. You would think the first thing ISIS would want to destroy are Satan's pipelines of profit and death. Why would they leave the three or four pumping stations on their turf untouched? Maybe in exchange for technical help fixing up their ISIS oil wells? Either that, or a whole shitload of shekels and Captagon.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:07 | 6880122 two hoots
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http://www.geographictravels.com/2013/03/syria-civil-war-maps-batch-twel...

 

 

  Scroll past the links down to the 6th map. 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:26 | 6880373 Paveway IV
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Thanks, two hoots. I've been looking for a good map of the planned ZATO Fake Kurdistan. 

Here's the direct link to the full-sized graphic if you have a slow connection.

This Fake Kurdistan was spoken about as a U.S.-Israeli land-based aircraft carrier. Convenient access for future attack routes on Russia and Iran from the Mediterranean, and a controlled corridor from the oil fields of northern Iraq to the Mediterranean. 

This was all the long-range plan. Obviously Turkey and Iran are not going to be giving up millions of square kilometers of their land to any Kurdistan. That part happens years down the road when ZATO either foments a coup, creates a proxy war or outright invades either country and steals their land for their Fake Kurdistan.

I'm sympathetic with the Kurds that want to maintain their culture and identity, but the practical reality is that you can't just carve up established borders today by force and ethnically cleanse 'your' land. In fact, that's a very un-Kurdish thing to do. They've been living in culturally diverse areas and have had no problem with Turkmen, Arabic or Assyrian neighbors for centuries. It's only ZATO Kurds that have been ethnically cleansing villages in Iraq, not 'real' Kurds. Having said that, they (at the very least) deserve more autonomy in their respective countries. Iraqis view the U.S. as back-stabbers because we killed one million Iraqi civilians to supposedly reclaim their country, and now we're agitating for land/oil theft via Kurdish independence. I don't have an answer for that situation - it's complex as hell. All I know is that ANY dream of an independent Kurdistan in Iraq will be destroyed and the place turned into a hell-hole if the U.S. or Israel have ANY part in it. 

Yoda rubbing his three-fingered hands: "The psychopathy is STRONG with this one... mmm...yes..."

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 22:15 | 6881833 StychoKiller
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Thanks, not everyone has the time to devote to analyzing this clusterfsck!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 22:59 | 6881908 DaveyJones
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"The U.S. and U.K. don't give a rat's ass about the Kurds - they just want cheap exploration and production contracts"

delete "kurds" and insert any political, religious, geographic, ethnic, philosophical or sorority group

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:38 | 6879995 TheFutureReset
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official recognition of Kurdistan 

I've been thinking the same thing. A slice of Iraq and turkey, maybe all the way to the black Sea. Russia would back that. Big danger is a radical leader coming to power in Turkey. 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:56 | 6879760 silvermail
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US and NATO do not have any legal right to decide who should be the leader of other sovereign countries and peoples.
Similarly, the United States and NATO did not have any legal right to decide who of the leader of other sovereign countries and peoples "must go".

US and NATO must go home from the Syria.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:00 | 6879766 Pliskin
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'Pull it!'

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:21 | 6879693 knukles
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OK, now it's all clear!
Everybody's got troops on Syria, Iraq and wherever else all fighting somebody about something.
Sure glad I came here before I got too much caffeine this morning or perhaps I'd have had some insouciant retarded reactions, but instead, I feel tremendously enriched.
                                                                        Go Team!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:29 | 6879710 BlindMonkey
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-->This will be called WW3 by the participants.

-->This will be called WW3 by the historians.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:31 | 6879715 J Jason Djfmam
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<The cockroaches will not care.

<Even cockroaches will not survive WWIII.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:37 | 6879729 Usurious
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will 6 million jews die in the next war???

http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaus...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:50 | 6879874 The Pope
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I die 6 million deaths every time I hear a Barbara Streisand song, accidentally scroll by an Adam Sandler movie, or see a Facebook logo. Does that count for anything?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:08 | 6879923 Usurious
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Ned? Ned Ryerson? "Ned the Head"? Is that you?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:12 | 6881492 SuperRay
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That is a fascinating link.  Had no idea '6 million' was a metaphor/meme for the entire 1st half of the 20th century

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:40 | 6879734 847328_3527
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Only roaches and Keith Richards will survive wwIII. He is indestructible.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:59 | 6880477 InjectTheVenom
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...AND Chuck Norris.  

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 19:55 | 6881427 conscious being
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847 - Where have I seen that before?

"Uploaded on 24 Jul 2009A - two things will survive a nuclear holocaust: Cockroaches and Keith Richards"

Still gets his licks in though. Cheers.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:49 | 6880266 Kirk2NCC1701
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As I recall, Pope Francis called it "Peacemeal WW3" some time ago.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:07 | 6880315 dot_bust
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It seems that all economic depressions lead to world wars.

When nations become overburdened with unpayable debt, they go to war.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:36 | 6880409 pelican
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No, once the first nuke goes off or thors hammer is used, then it will be WWIII. 

I can see the history book now.  "With Russian aggression and desire to create a world empire, they created the war..  Their unproked attack  on Syria, and Urakine caused the rest of the work to attack Russia and Syria."

I cannot believe what greedy and incompendent leadership has led too.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:28 | 6879711 freewolf7
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"...you can be sure that if Baghdad rebukes Washington and green lights Russian recon and airstrikes in Iraq, we'll find out soon enough."

 

Not if, but when.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:55 | 6879886 Antifaschistische
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This is from Washington To Turkey "and only urged Ankara to keep its incursion short and closely focused,"

Would someone please send this message to Obama!!!!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:32 | 6879718 BennyBoy
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USA must not be seen protecting USA created IS.

So send in USA bitch Erdogan to do it.

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:10 | 6881479 sam i am
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Week Nine of the Russian Intervention in Syria: the Empire strikes back

http://thesaker.is/week-nine-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria-the-em...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:50 | 6879747 SoDamnMad
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Truther

Santa. I haven't asked you for much over the years but this one year I really, really need this one thing in my stocking. Could you bring me Erdogan's ears?  I'll leave the milk, cookies and brandy near the fireplace as always.  You and your 8 tiny reindeer be careful and have your transponder on.  Johnny

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:43 | 6879739 Fester
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So it's ok for the good ol USA to invade Iraq but Turkey isn't on the guest list. Hmmm

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:31 | 6879976 Mr. Crisp
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I'm sure the Turks invaded to establish democracy.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 19:58 | 6881443 conscious being
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Its for the kids. They did it for the children.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:52 | 6879749 silvermail
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The economic situation is getting worse. Therefore, the United States really need a war between Turkey and Russia. Or between Russia and Germany.
That is, the United States needed a war between Russia and NATO, as much as possible away from the US border. Three years ago, many American economists openly wrote and spoke about the necessity of a new "good war", to rescue the US economy.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:36 | 6879991 GRDguy
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It would sure be interesting to know who pulls Erdogan's puppet strings.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:03 | 6881457 conscious being
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"who pulls Erdogan's puppet strings"

I think we know already. Things will never calm down and go back to whatever normal was, because the 9/11 plotters would wind up impaled on the White House lawn.

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:08 | 6880702 Dark Daze
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As usual, most of what you write is nonsense and not at all rational. Germany will ALLY with Russia and Poland, Hungary, and the rest, including France and the Netherlands will fall into line. This is not the beginning of the end of Russia, it is the end of the beginning of America.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 17:12 | 6880896 silvermail
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What for you personally, is "Germany"?
If we consider the word "Germany" as the country's population, you're right.
If we consider the word "Germany" as the narrow group of people in power, then I am right.

Because the decision about war and about who is your ally, does not depend on the opinion and the will of the people. Such decisions are made by the rulers of these people.
Tell me honestly: Do you think that the German authorities are allies of Russia against the United States? Yes or no?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:18 | 6879796 sam i am
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Yes, indeed The Middle East War SITREP December 5th, 2015 by John Rambo

http://thesaker.is/the-middle-east-wars-sitrep-december-5th-2015-by-john...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:18 | 6879940 Blankone
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Summary:

CIA/MAssad take down Russian airliner.

Turkey shoots down Russia jet in Syria.

Turkey invades Iraq.

Turkey detains 4 Rssian ships.

Turkey moves small number of troops into Syria and takes a postions in a key area.

The US moves into NE Syria and begins preliminary work on a new air base.

France, England, Germany are ramping up and clearing the way for bombing in Syria.

Putin does nothing in response.  Either Putin is impotent out of fear or weakness - or Putin is party to the plan.

Iran and Hezbollah better look at what Russia/Putin has done to orther allies.  Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Yemen, and others.  Those allies were positions by Russia for easier destruction by NATO forces.  If Putin wanted to save Syria he would have began bombing years ago instead of watching as the country was destroyed and the men killed off.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:40 | 6880004 Jack Burton
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Yep! This sums up Washington's reactions. Like I said below, the Neo-Cons will not back down. ISIS will be protected and rearmed and remaned. This is war, just not openly declared. And ISIS is a USA allied force.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:52 | 6881635 Baby Bladeface
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Summary:

Blankone is butthurt ukroptsy troll.

Simpleminded bleats the phrases from the training manual.

That is all.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:38 | 6879997 Jack Burton
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Good catch! Last night i read in Russian sources that Turkey was already delaying Russian ships and it was expected they would soon stop them completely. This is as close to an act of open war as shooting down a foreign jet over foreign territory.

I have said, and repeat, "Turkey does nothing with out Washington's approval". You can be sure the jet shoot down and the shipping halt come right from Neo-Con central in Washington DC.

Washington is going to take this all the way. They will not stop, they will push and push until either full scale war, or Russia surrenders. We have a group in Washington who are playing for keep, there is no half way with this bunch. They openly support ISIS, and our media dares not even mention it! So why should they stop?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6880086 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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Port authority told RIA news that ships are serviced normally.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:02 | 6880307 Usurious
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''Turkey: A wholly-owned subsidiary of the CIA since 1945''

http://joequinn.net/2015/12/01/cold-war-part-2-this-time-its-jihad-natos...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:15 | 6880333 Flagit
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They will not stop, they will push and push until either full scale war, or Russia surrenders.

I can't hardly believe you even typed that, because you KNOW it will not happen, correct?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:37 | 6880412 Blankone
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Russia has been taken down before.  Once in our lifetime.

They are actually at Russia's western borders now.  As they push Russia home then it's continued economic attack and facilitating internal conflicts.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:44 | 6880430 Bay of Pigs
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You need to put the crack pipe down bro.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:57 | 6880472 Winston Churchill
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I think he was a gibbering idiot before he picked it up.

No variance from the trollmasters script ever.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 15:48 | 6880637 evokanivo
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The internationalization of the US dollar and oil only for dollars (petrodollar) are what allowed the US to outspend and bankrupt the soviet union. So it's perfectly fair to argue that the US brought down Russia/USSR.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:08 | 6881477 conscious being
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Blankone is a Zino-bot. Its Russia and some others against the Western finacialized Mafia.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:06 | 6880693 Dark Daze
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For some bizarre reason, and I'm not sure why, but everybody from the Khazzarians to Napoleon to Hitler have tried, and failed, to defeat Russia. You better check your gear before you go bear hunting.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 17:24 | 6880935 Blankone
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The jewish took down Russia from wilthin (traitors) towards the end of WW1.

The bankers/zionist/jewish took down Russia through economic war and using corruption by those officials within Russia who betrayed their country (traitors) or were just mafia/criminals.

Putin appears to be the new wave of internal corruption/traitors who serves the eilites first.  To the point of the potential demise of Russia again. 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:11 | 6881483 conscious being
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Your post has two parts. The true part and the false part. Is this a new approach? The straight up lies weren't working anymore?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:44 | 6880027 Noplebian
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History shows when the fiat currency system reaches it's end cycle, there is always a call for war. This one however, will wipe out billions!

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/road-to-ww3-time-to...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 15:06 | 6880497 Butter_cup
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Sat, 12/05/2015 - 09:57 | 6879638 EuroPox
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Turkey is nothing but trouble.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:21 | 6879689 Escrava Isaura
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Wait a minute.

 

I was told that Iraq oil was to pay for US invasion of Iraq?

 

Please, because I can’t take any more lies for something so obvious. I mean, more lies.

 

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:55 | 6880281 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Turkey is nothing but trouble."

Too banal.  Not descriptive enough.  A notch up might be...

> Turkey is a pawn or bishop that the US/ZATO will sacrifice to attack the Queen (gov.ru), where King=Russia

> Turkey is a Useful Tool, to act as proxy for US/ZATO interests.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 09:58 | 6879640 ghengis86
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The spice must flow.  And maybe Turkey had no choice, as the sole buyer of the black gold is none other than....the Canadians!!

 

Also, must have missed when Assad invited Erdogan into hiw country, along with Fracne, Germany, US, Britain, etc.  What a joke of international law i.e UN fucktards.

 

as someone suggested earlier, Putin should wait until the tankers get within eyesight of Turkey, and then light them up under the watchful eye of all the coaltion drones.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:05 | 6879663 ghengis86
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:51 | 6879748 Canadian Made
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not doubting you bro, but, would have a link to the Canadians buying the oil?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:10 | 6879783 ghengis86
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Can't tell if you're serious. Put it this way, it's the same group of Canadians that run Hollywood, the mass media and the global banking cabal. Does that help?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:42 | 6879853 Canadian Made
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As I said. I dont doubt you, I figured the group that ran Hollywood , and the mass media, and the global banking cabal, also ran Canada. I did not know Canada was buying oil from the Turks.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:27 | 6879962 ghengis86
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How about the previous exposes?  Sufficient?

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-28/isis-oil-trade-full-frontal-raq...

 

According to a European official at an international oil company who met with al-Araby in a Gulf capital, Israel refines the oil only "once or twice" because it does not have advanced refineries. It exports the oil to Mediterranean countries - where the oil "gains a semi-legitimate status" - for $30 to $35 a barrel.

 

"The oil is sold within a day or two to a number of private companies, while the majority goes to an Italian refinery owned by one of the largest shareholders in an Italian football club [name removed] where the oil is refined and used locally," added the European oil official.

 

"Israel has in one way or another become the main marketer of IS oil. Without them, most IS-produced oil would have remained going between Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Even the three companies would not receive the oil if they did not have a buyer in Israel," said the industry official.

 

In other words, Erdogan is already moving illicit crude from the KRG (with whom Ankara is friendly by the way, despite the fact that they are Kurds) via a son-in-law and in large quantities. What's to say he isn't moving ISIS crude via the same networks through his son Bilal? Or perhaps through his other son Burak who Today's Zaman reminds us "also owns a fleet of ships [and] was featured in a report by the Sözcü daily in 2014 [when his] vessel Safran 1 was anchored in Israel's port of Ashdod."

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-27/how-turkey-exports-isis-oil-wor...


Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:04 | 6880685 Dark Daze
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No. Not 'sufficient'. Get lost scum.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:35 | 6879986 sushi
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I bought a quart in Laval yesterday. Said right on the tin:

ISIS oiloil fromfrom TurkeyTurkey.

had a picture of a smiling young Gollum on the front, was painted in Turkish colours and clearly stated that 5% of all sales went to financing an increase in the European refugee crisis.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:39 | 6880003 ghengis86
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Nice.  Haven't been to your island in about a year.  Really enjoyed it.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:48 | 6880043 sushi
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You will enjoy it even more when we get the federal infrastructure funds required to tow the entire island to the West Indies and anchor it off St Barts. No more need for road salt which is a known environmental pollutant.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 18:06 | 6880065 ghengis86
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Nor mandatory snow tires for 8 months out of the year!

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:02 | 6880679 Dark Daze
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They were told to leave on October 20'th. Proof or STFU.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:07 | 6879916 Tarshatha
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"the sole buyer of the black gold is none other than....the Canadians"

Source or Bullshit.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:30 | 6879971 ghengis86
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see above. 

 

am i getting trolled or what?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:31 | 6880773 Paveway IV
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After the first four replys questioning the evil Canadians, you have to relent and explain it was a joke and you meant Israel. Yeah, I know... <sigh> but I missed the sarcasm the first time and actually tried to figure out why you were nailing the Canuks. I thought it was pretty funny the first time because I though you were being serious.

God damn sneaky Canadians! (<-- See everyone? Humor )

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 19:39 | 6881367 Tall Tom
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 you have to relent and explain it was a joke and you meant Israel.

 

No you do not. You can actually sit back and laugh at the SLOW who do not understand your satire.

 

If they are too SLOW then it is their PROBLEM...not yours.

 

I actually enjoy laughter. If they think that you are that stupid...THEN...they are just transfering their own stupidity upon you, you being a stranger whom they do not know.

 

Writing about satire we have not heard from MDB for quite awhile.

 

Now that guy is funny. I hope that he is okay. The responses I find quite truthful and entertaining as he is taken far too serious.

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 20:18 | 6881509 conscious being
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I've noticed Canadians are way too touchy over the good-guys-of-the-Great-White-North meme. Especially after so many years of that Steven Harper creep threw the whole idea in the dumpster.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:09 | 6879926 tmosley
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"as the sole buyer of the black gold is none other than....the Canadians!!"

Time for Operation Canadian Bacon 2.0

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:28 | 6879964 J Jason Djfmam
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Time to break out the Hacker Hellfire System.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:00 | 6880674 Dark Daze
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proof? And if so, it will be stopped very quickly.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:01 | 6879652 Allen_H
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They have been warned by The Iraq government, as well as AmeriNazi flights, best they heed the warning.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:01 | 6879655 RaceToTheBottom
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But Turkey is a member of NATO.

Oh, now makes sense.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 16:41 | 6879717 Escrava Isaura
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However,

Turkey can’t, and should not be in NATO because NATO is US and US is a Christian nation and Turkey a muslin nation.

 

Israel should be a NATO nation because the Christian bible comes from the Hebrew bible.

 

Unless you naive enough to believe the nonsense that religion should not be mixed with politics.

 

 

Late Correction:

I am so sorry.

 

I got all the down votes, deservedly, because I forgot to link the two together.

 

The Old Testament is the first section of the Christian Bible, based primarily upon the Hebrew Bible,…..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

 

And religion and politics:

Even the most secularized countries (Sweden is typically cited as a prime example) include substantial numbers of people who still identify themselves as religious. Moreover, many of these societies are currently experiencing immigration from groups who are more religious than native-born populations………

http://www.iep.utm.edu/rel-poli/

 

Now I should have lots of up votes. I can’t wait.

 

Sun, 12/06/2015 - 10:38 | 6882948 Francis Marx
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I wont vote you either way. But I have to comment to you.

"US is a Christian Nation"

What planet are you on right now?

US is a seculerize nation now with pockets of releigous.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:29 | 6879966 J Jason Djfmam
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Turknato?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:02 | 6879656 RaceToTheBottom
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dupe

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:02 | 6879657 RaceToTheBottom
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dupe 2

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:40 | 6879736 o r c k
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Thanks. That video ruptured my spleen.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:01 | 6879658 Truther
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This war will escalate and WWIII will not be far off folks. All wars are bankers wars and the sheeple will suffer.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:44 | 6879740 MeetTozter
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So, exactly when did the Great War ever end?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:02 | 6879767 silvermail
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US and NATO give Russia an ultimatum: Either you are will our vassals and slaves, either we should mutually destroy each other with nuclear weapons.

In fact, Washington put Russia in front of a choice: - Or a world dictatorship of the US without international law - or a world without the United States and NATO.

Of course, in this situation, Russia will have to choose the second option. Amen.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 15:57 | 6880668 Dark Daze
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The Russians have already given you their answer, a long time ago.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 13:59 | 6880296 Kirk2NCC1701
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Ok... and I'm not being sarcastic when I ask:  Are YOU and your prepared for WW3?  If so, how?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:08 | 6879668 _ConanTheLibert...
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Let's stack all evidence against Erdogan. This mofo is going to be finished soon.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:11 | 6879675 HenryHall
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Why doesn't Iraq simply ask their American friends in Baghdad to bomb those Turkish tanks that are in Iraq without permission?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:02 | 6879907 Amish Hacker
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Here's another question: why is it that US drones, which have no trouble finding small wedding parties, couldn't see 70 to 100 tanker trucks moving across the open desert?

Very mysterious. It's almost as if the US didn't want to stop Iraqi oil from getting to Turkey, even though that's the opposite of what we've been saying all along.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:10 | 6879930 Fractal Parasite
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Also curious that IS.IL hasn't overrun any US military bases in the region, although they've overrun everything else in their path.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:40 | 6880005 sushi
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couldn't see 70 to 100 tanker trucks moving across the open desert?

 

For the same reason the US controlled financial system is unable to see the flow of funds from those oil sales. 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:22 | 6880360 Flagit
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I have been blaming that 3-d printed anti-satellite camo.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:20 | 6880354 Flagit
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I think they are starting to catch on, after what, 15 years, that when they ask the US, something is obviously getting lost in the translation.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:11 | 6879677 eftian
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Keep poking the bear turkey...

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:13 | 6879678 falak pema
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Ottoman kiss to the Kurds.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:14 | 6879681 THE DORK OF CORK
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I am dazed and confused.......run that by me again?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:18 | 6879787 Escrava Isaura
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It’s impossible to understand lies because it takes lies to acquire a higher standard of living.

 

And the higher the living standards and power go, it can not be challenged because, by then, it became a total fraud.

 

And a great example of an unsustainable living standards—fraud in a global scale—is here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-23/9-trillion-us-dollar-carry-trade-blowing

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:28 | 6879822 nosam
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"I am dazed and confused.......run that by me again"

Some people are trying to start a war...The rest is detail.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:17 | 6879683 Sudden Debt
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I don't think the public realizes we're creating all the wrong scenario's that can lead us into a serious war between the "democracies" of the west.

If the conflict increases, Europe will break up unless there's a unifying incident from the russian side against Europe.

America will just keep doing all the crap it's doing for so long and will be involved in it anyway.

Azia will join the Russian side and the South American also.

Man O Man...

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:59 | 6879763 Canadian Made
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What are these " democracies" of which you speak?

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:05 | 6879774 Escrava Isaura
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Good point.

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:45 | 6880034 sushi
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If the conflict increases, Europe will break up

Europe already on the road to break-up. Cannot import a few hundred thousand Wahabi refugees and their relgious beliefs and not expect conflict due to the conflict over jobs, the fact that refugess will accept lower wages than domestic nationals (six familes in one dwelling makes this possible), the need to provide welfare relief and all the other state give aways.

Look at Canada. Taking in 25,000 refugees who get assisted housing, free medical care, mental health care that is not available to the CDN taxpayer, free housing on CDN military bases, help finding a job etc. No equivalent services available to CDN citizen taxpayer that must foot the bill.


Sat, 12/05/2015 - 15:05 | 6880494 I-am-not-one-of-them
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assisting American Imperialism at the expense of it's citizenry, it's what all corrupt Governments do 

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 15:15 | 6880537 Escrava Isaura
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sushi,

The part of immigrants that need clarification, comparison, and perspective:

 

The reason you’re seeing immigrants, it’s because private power and governments, keep in mind that government represents /works for private power but, government are much more in tune to respect of their constituents/domestic population.

 

So, these governments, I believe, know and understand that their domestic population are their real enemies during a financial stress/depression, not a foreign nation.

 

So, especially in Europe case, that are driving distances, opposite of the US and Canada that you need to fly in, immigrants sponsored by these governments make perfect sense.

 

Immigrants, mainly, serve two functions: Cheap and disposable.

 

Here’s is an example of these same issues, but from a different angle:

 

Just as undocumented immigration was on the rise, the United States began the massive imprisonment of African Americans, often on the pretext of the “war on drugs,” removing them from the workforce and outsourcing many of the industrial jobs they had held. “African Americans became less ‘cheap'” in the 1960s “because they gained legal rights, gained access to social services, and organized unions,” Chomsky explains. But even if the “newly structured economy may not need to benefit unfairly from black labor…it still needs to benefit unfairly from some socially marginalized community.” So the growing population of undocumented workers began replacing African Americans in the most exploited sectors of the workforce.

http://monthlyreview.org/2015/10/01/the-part-of-illegal-they-dont-understand/

 

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:06 | 6879776 layman_please
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true... and everybody in the west will be saying who could have seen this coming...

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 14:31 | 6880389 Flagit
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Um, anyone with a fucking brain.

This thing is moving at a glaciers pace. Inch by inch every day.

It is the most massive thing I have ever seen, and nothing short of a metor can stop it.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:20 | 6879688 Misanthropus
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Fuck (turkey).

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:25 | 6879701 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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They went in to destroy evidence.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:25 | 6879706 JimmyRainbow
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this is some kind of ww1 situation just unfolding in ME

all parties bound by secret agreements and noone has an idea of the consequences or the end-result of all these agreements

and in case that 4 ship "retaliation" is true it is already hot.

Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:33 | 6879719 HenryHall
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Four Russian ships and two others were detained for alleged paperwork irregularities. Three out of four Russian ships corrected their paperwork and have now sailed as of this newspaper report (Updated: 12/05/2015 15:51 local time in Turkey)

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.googl...

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!