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Did Turkey Just Invade Iraq To Protect Erdogan's ISIS Oil Smuggling Routes?
On Friday, Turkey sent troops into Iraq.
Here's a video of the deployment shared on social media:
Contrary to what you might have read, there’s really nothing unusual about that.
As you may recall, Turkey’s military entered Iraq back in September in hot pursuit of PKK “terrorists” Ankara claimed had fled over the border. And that was just par for the proverbial course. Here’s what we said at the time:
In early 2008, Turkish soldiers entered Iraq in a similar effort to eradicate the PKK. "Operation Sun", as the incursion was called, was conducted with Washington's blessing for the most part. "Washington described the PKK as a 'common enemy', and only urged Ankara to keep its incursion short and closely focused," BBC noted at the time, adding that "the positions of the UN and EU have been similar, suggesting a degree of sympathy with Turkey's cause."
And then there was "Operation Steel" in 1995. And "Operation Hammer" in 1997." And "Operation Dawn." And the aplty named "Operation Northern Iraq."
You get the idea.
So while history doesn't repeat itself, it damn sure rhymes and here we are again watching as the Turkish military crosses the Iraqi border as though it's not even there chasing "terrorists" up into the mountains.
What’s different this time around, is that this isn’t a Kurd-chasing mission.
In fact, if you believe the official line, it’s the exact opposite. Turkey has apparently had some 90 troops on the ground in Bashiqa “for two years” on a mission to “train” the Peshmerga. The new troops - around 150 personnel supported by two dozen tanks- will “take over the mission,” according to Hurriyet. “Turkey will have a permanent military base in the Bashiqa region of Mosul as the Turkish forces in the region training the Peshmerga forces have been reinforced,” the daily continues, adding that “the deal regarding the base was signed between Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu, during the latter’s visit to northern Iraq on Nov. 4.”
Ok, so what’s important to remember here is that although Erdogan is no “fan-o’-Kurds”, Ankara is friendly with the KRG and indeed, Barzani’s 632,000 b/d oil operation (which, you’re reminded, runs independent of SOMO, much to Baghdad’s chagrin) depends heavily on a pipeline that runs from Iraq to Ceyhan. Over the summer, the PKK attacked the pipeline costing the KRG some $250 million in lost revenue. As Rudaw noted at the time, that amounts to an entire month’s worth of salaries for the Peshmerga and other security forces, underscoring the extent to which oil sales via Turkey are crucial to the government in Erbil.
You might also remember from "ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection," that there seems to be some commingling going on when it comes to Turkish and ISIS crude. Technically, both are "illegal" and because the 45,000 or so barrels per day that ISIS pumps are so inconsequential in the large scheme of things, it's easy for Islamic State crude to get "lost" in the shuffle once it gets to Turkey which works out great for those involved in the smuggling operation (as an aside, Russia has identified what Moscow says are other ISIS oil smuggling routes but we'll focus on northern Iraq for now).
You might notice that there's a certian irony to this whole thing as it relates to the KRG. What the Al-Araby al-Jadeed report (cited in the article linked above) suggests is that the Kurds in Iraq are to some extent complicit in the entire operation which is amusing because it's the sale of undocumented Kurdish crude that allegedly funds the Peshmerga's fight against Islamic State. As with every other dynamic in the region, the entire thing is impossibly convoluted.
With that in mind, consider where these Turkish troops (who, again, are supposed to be "training" the Peshmerga) are located.
So they're right next to Mosul and right between the Kurds and ISIS and, most importantly of all, right on what Al-Araby al-Jadeed claims is the smuggling route for illegal ISIS crude into Turkey from Iraq.
The star on the map is Zakho. Araby al-Jadeed, citing an unnamed Kurdish security officials, employees at the Ibrahim Khalil border crossing between Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan, and an official at one of three oil companies that deal in IS-smuggled oil, says that once Islamic State oil "is extracted and loaded, the oil tankers leave Nineveh province and head north to the city of Zakho, 88km north of Mosul [and] after IS oil lorries arrive in Zakho - normally 70 to 100 of them at a time - they are met by oil smuggling mafias, a mix of Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, in addition to some Turks and Iranians."
Araby al-Jadeed's story takes a turn for the fantastic after that, but the point is that it seems extraordinarily convenient that just as Russia is making an all-out effort to expose Turkey's role in financing Islamic State's lucrative oil operation and also to destroy ISIS oil convoys in Syria, that Ankara would dispatch troops and two dozen tanks to the exact place in Iraq where some reports suggest the heart of ISIS' Iraqi oil operation lies.
For his part, Iraqi PM Haider al-Abadi has called for Turkey to "immediately" withdraw its troops. He also calls Ankara's incursion a "violation of sovereignty." Here's the full statement:
It has been confirmed to us that Turkish troops numbering around one regiment armoured with tanks and artillery entered the Iraqi territory, and specifically the province of Nineveh claim that they are training Iraqi groups without the request or authorization from the Iraqi federal authorities and this is considered a serious breach of Iraqi sovereignty and does not conform with the good neighbourly relations between Iraq and Turkey.
The Iraqi authorities call on Turkey to respect good neighbourly relations and to withdraw immediately from the Iraqi territory.
That would seem to indicate that Baghdad has never approved the "training mission" that Ankara claims has been going on east of Mosul for two years.
Furthermore, this underscores the fact that Iraq does not want help from NATO when it comes to fighting ISIS. As we reported last week, Iraqis generally believe the US is in bed with Islamic State and you can bet that Russia and Iran will be keen on advising Baghdad to be exceptionally assertive when it comes to expelling a highly suspicious Turkish presence near Najma.
Ultimately, this is yet another escalation from Erdogan and the timing, location, and vague explanation raise all sorts of questions about what exactly those 150 troops and 25 tanks are doing but you can be sure that if Baghdad rebukes Washington and green lights Russian recon and airstrikes in Iraq, we'll find out soon enough.
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It's a response to Russians not accepting Turkish tomatoes, claiming they have pests. The detained and now released ships were in a port far away from the Bosporus, so in sum, the whole incident is not such a big deal. If Turkey closes the Bosporus to Russian shipping, contravening the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits they have effectively declared war on Russia.
Hmm. Erdogan is lashing out in all directions now. Sign of a wounded and dangerous animal. What happened to the Americans? Well, I guess when you fucked Obama over, you didn't realize you would lose. Bye Bye.
Putin; Russian Federal Assembly, Dec. 2, 2015 (Regarding Turkey):
" if they expected a nervous or hysterical reaction from us, if they wanted to see us become a danger to ourselves as much as to the world, they won’t get it. They won’t get any response meant for show or even for immediate political gain. They won’t get it."
"Our actions will always be guided primarily by responsibility – to ourselves, to our country, to our people. We are not going to rattle the sabre. But, if someone thinks they can commit a heinous war crime, kill our people and get away with it, suffering nothing but a ban on tomato imports, or a few restrictions in construction or other industries, they’re delusional. We’ll remind them of what they did, more than once. They’ll regret it. We know what to do."
Turkey has invaded Iraq.
Turey has now moved a small force into Syria and taken control of a key area.
Turkey already has shot down Putin's jet.
CIA/Massad has already taken down Putin's airliner.
A posting was made that the US has started prelim work on an airbase in NE Syria. Without permission.
Nothing.
Russia and the US are playing two different games:
The US is playing Poker (bluffing, ante up, call)
Russia is playing Chess (moves, countermoves)
What seems certain, is that the US is willing to use proxies (ISIS/DAESH, Rebels, and now Turkey) to draw Russia into an Afghanistan 2.0. The facts are clear that the US keeps upping the ante with each move, while pretending to 'play nice'. At some point, the gloves will have to come off and things will get trult serious and hot.
In the meantime, I am surprised at how laid back the Russians are handling the whole situation. Am also surprised that they are not leveraging Iraq and its forces better, to secure or disable Iraq's northern oil fields, i.e. if Iraq can't use them, then neither should anyone else. Beware of the US outflanking/front-running Iraq+Russia on this issue. The issue is getting hotter, and the time shorter.
Who is really bluffing whom is in question. While things could get hot, if you look at the past actions you conclude that Russia will simply back down and try to establish a position on the Syrian coast. Then the proxy armies will press them there.
Assuming Putin is not working with those behind NATO's actions - Putin took some pawns (some ISIS man power and support structure) his enemy drew blood by humiliating Russia with the jets and has moved pieces in place.
Either way, (Putin in working with the NWO or not) the actions have exposed Hezbollah and to some extent Iran, but more so Hezbollah. I hope Hezbollah ensures they can retreat back home safely without Russian air cover should they be betrayed or abandoned by Putin.
The NATO group has already leaked out what appears to be an important change in plans. Occupy And Govern. And Turkey is chomping at the bit to fill that role with NATO's support.
If Putin grows a pair of balls and attacks Turkey's troops that have moved into Syria. Will Turkey then close the strait to Russian ships? NATO will declare Turkeys troops were fighting terrorists, you know.
In for a penny, in for a pound. Putin and the Russians aren't going anywhere. They have a golden opportunity to (a) restore Syria, (b) eliminate the Sunni Muslim threat to southern Russia, (c) showcase their military hardward and tactics, (d) cement a Shia state from Iran to Syria and possibly even into Turkey and (e) show Europe once and for all that they have backed the wrong horse when they went NATO. The Americans are snookered and they know it. They have nothing, conventional or otherwise that can compete with even the limited stuff that Russia has brought to the table. And in addition to the S-400's that are 'known' to be deployed in Latakia you can rest assured that Iran has also deployed S-400's in Northern Iran, giving them 100% coverage in the Syrian airspace. The Americans won't even risk their F-22's because they know they would be detected, shot down and the game of illusion would be over.
Does not add up.
If Putin wanted to save Syria as an independent country he would have given support years ago before it was destroyed. There would be no reason to restore only protect.
It is Turkey and the US who are moving into Syria, not Russia/Iran into Turkey/Iraq.
Even Russia admits the S300/S400 are not in Iran. A year ago Russia said they would now honor the contract from 2007 but never did. A few weeks ago Russia again said they will honor the contract in 2 months. They still have not.
The S400 in Syria are controlled by Russia. Putin has steadfastly refused to honor the 2007 contract to supply the missiles to Syria. Even while Putin sat and watched Syria be destroyed.
NATO plans (they say) to begin bombing again in Syria and will bring in Germany, France and England. If that happens and Putin does not shoot anyone down then you KNOW Putin is hot air.
People are posting that the US has started to build an airbase in NE Syria. If that is true then issue is to be pressed and the US will install antiair missiles.
You were repeatedly wrong about s300s not having been delivered to Syria and kept saying so despite evidence I provided you that both the Russians and Assad said they had been delivered.
Now, as to the s400
http://tass.ru/en/defense/841298
http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-claims-russia-has-started-delivery-of-...
You repeat ad nauseam these claims - once or twice is a mistake, but it sure looks like you've shown a pattern of knowingly spreading disinformation to advance your back door criticism of Russia/Putin.
Russia initially agreed to sell the advanced system to Iran in 2007 but then balked, saying at the time it was complying with a United Nations arms embargo.
Which it was.
Your notion that Putin isn't moving heaven and earth for Iran and Syria completely ignores:
1] the political and diplomatic realities such as sanctions already leveled against Russia for no coherent reason other than resisting the US/NATO plan to install a putsche regime in Ukraine and eject the Black Fleet from Crimea so the US Navy can further surround Russia - as always 'for defensive purposes';
2] The cold hard facts that Russia has been trying to avoid doing things which would be of limited strategic good while inviting a pretext for more nato aggression and/or sanctions [cost benefit];
3] The notion that Russia can or should go to the mat not only with foreign merc terrorists armed and funded by the US, Israelis and Saudis, but against the US, UK, and to some extent the French and Germans. No leader is going to weaken his own position substantially to get drawn into a quagmire.
Putin can be accused of being primarily concerned with what suits Russia. But as to resisting Anglo-Zionist Imperial aggresion - Russia is the best friend Syria, Iran, and now Iraq seems to have.
But I think it is clear you aren't especially concerned with full and fair analysis. Only finding a backdoor way to discredit Putin's efforts - even if it means simply repeating the same lies over and over.
Am I incorrect in this assessment?
Russia denied Assad Claims of Delivery:
The govt of Iran said the missiles "were going to be" delivered. They never were and still have not been. Russia said they were "going to" supply the missiles soon and then they never did. Now Russia says they may deliver to Iran in two months after saying the same thing last year.
It not surprising that Assad would claim systems were being supplied when they are not. His country is getting bombed and he would like to scare someone. But even Russia does not say they have changed their mind and delivered the systems. In fact Russia has not even voiced a willingness to supply the system anytime in the future, as they have with Iran (but have not). Poor Assad has Israel bombing at the very outskirts of his capital and has been helpless to prevent.
I still cannot find any real documentation that Assad shot down an Israeli fighter jet as the Putin fans have claimed he did using the S300 systems. Nothing on RT and they would have carried that. Although some of the Putin fans claims Assad did shoot down an Iraeli jet.
Putin wants to keep Syria and Iran dependent on Russia but also wants to prevent either of them from shooting down a NATO/Israli plane using a russian system. Fear of even that.
But better yet, lets read what Russia said about these self serving claims by Assad - "A source close to Russia's defense ministry said, however, that the "hardware itself" had yet to be delivered to Syria, where Moscow has a Mediterranean naval base. But, the source added, "certain parts of the contract may have been fulfilled"." So the systems have not been delivered - So Says Russia - but some "parts" of the contract might have been fullfilled. In other words, Russia says Assad is lieing and the systems are not there. BUT - Israel says they are there and that this is justification for Israel to make preemptive strikes against the forces of Syria. That is the purpose of the Guardian's article, helping Israel, using the lies spoken by Assad himself.
The above quote is from an article (by RT I believe) in response to Assads claims he had the systems. Which were proven to be lies.
Patients Grasshopper, we must first secure Syria.
Once the rats have been driven back, then they can begin to focus on Iraq.
They made it pretty clear. Once territory has been reclaimed, it will NOT be surrendered.
More and more pictures will be taken, but the US does not care. Let me repeat that. THEY DO NOT CARE.
Until armed groups of Americans show up, Ferguson style, and just don't go home, expect this to continue.
Can you imagine if Ferguson would have went hot? Superior numbers vs. superior firepower. Ouch.
Putin has the deal of the century. Buy Syria, get Iraq and Iran for free.
That's Saudi officially isolated. All they need to do now is collapse the Saudi "state" (good riddance) and they have a near monopoly on world oil production... On the down side of the oil peak.
Boy, NATO/America completely fucked that up. At least the kurds are going to get their own state now.
Let's not let this escape our notice:
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/12/02/montenegro-start-neg...
Obama quickly signed off on this when the aide pronounced it "Mount-a-negro".
Funniest damn thing I"ve ever read on ZH...thanks
It's a free for all!! Start pillaging I guess... It's a go!
Wow,,, Trucks carrying trucks. I N V A S I O N !!!
Erdogan is getting ready to have his ass handed to him by Putin. Russia will not fall for the NATO ploy to draw them into invading Turkey. The ploy didn't work in the Ukraine and it won't work in Turkey but there will be reprisals. Erdogan will find out that if Russia wants your ass, Russia will have it. The middle east, thanks to the Neocon asshats in washington and Langley is FUBAR. The big question is: Will the chess playing Putin keeps us all out of WWIII. We'll find out sooner than later. 2016 is going to be a very interesting year!
Not chess. While obama is playing checkers Putin is playing Go.
Recommend you all get solar power installed & take a serious look at electric cars.
I'd recommend getting a vehicle built before 1970 without an electronic ignition system. Just a thought.
Standard Disclaimer: Long Faraday cages.
Lets send Moochelle in there with Oprah
They are already messing with the devils Johnson. 2 more won't matter
Just like his pal Bath House, Erdogan doubles down on stupidity.
So when are the airforce bases in Iraq opening... the Russian bases... with S 400 and lots of planes to drive the Turks out? I bet they are working on that now
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35012902
All Russia has to do is to let Turkey bleed itself, the way that Ukraine did, by providing all types of aid and support to the indigenous Resistance and Gov in Iraq, Syria, and the Real Kurds (i.e. the Kurd majority, not some lonely bought-out tribal lord doing ZATO's bidding).
And by bombing the crap out of the Invaders (Turks) and ISIS/DAESH as required. Getting Damascus back and its southern frontier & Golan are key, to prevent Israel and its hired Jihadists from claiming the Golan, its water, gas and oil on behalf of the Likud-voting Zio-Settlers.
I read th other day the Turk military is complaining they are already spread too thin. They are fighting the PKK, invading Iraq, supposed to be closing or controlling the Syrian border and now they have to worry about the Russians they are provoking, coming over their eastern border <I know Georgia is in the way, but that will just be a skid mark from the T-90s rollin thru.>
In a policy address in 2014, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu supported the establishment of an independent Kurdish state. Israel was the first state to do so. The history of Israeli aid both humanitarian and military has been going on for decades.
Years ago there were reports that Kurds were siphoning off oil and selling it to Israel, which were technically in violation of Iraqi oil revenue sharing agreement. So the fact that both Kurdish, Iraqi, and ISIS oil ends up commingled in the same place in Turkey should not be news to anyone.
Agree - when you look at the big picture, it is looking more and more like one of the goals in the endgame of TPTB is a new Kurdish state carved out of Northern Iraq, Northern Syria and Southern Turkey. I fully expect Russia is on board with this too.
The fly in the ointment is Turkey. They know the plan and appear to be doing the following:
1. Making sure the new border is as far south as possible, and ideally to loose no territory.
2. Make sure the new Kurdish State is weak and still dependent on them for safe oil export.
3. Delay the inevitable outcome as long as possible
4. Steal as much of the oil (the future revenue of the Kurdish State) as possible.
Such a goal would only be sincere, if it meant carving territory out of Estern Turkey. not out of the oil-rich Syrian and Iraqi sections.
Otherwise their usual duplicitous agenda becomes evident once again.
There's no doubt Kurdish oil has been going to Israel in violation of revenue sharing.
Hence Israeli "humanitarian" support.
Zionist/necon writers have also long called for the breakup of Iraq into 3 regions.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
cf.:
Autumn 1992: Influential Neoconservative Academic Advocates Breaking Up Middle Eastern Countries, Including Iraqhttp://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
So this is the 13th Russo-Turkish War?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Russo-Turkish_wars
Related Topic:
Meanwhile, Fascists in US openly demand Revocation of the Sceond Amendment....
Finally, they admit the Truth!
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn...
duplicate
If they ban lawn jockeys does it mean Obama must go?
Yes.
Yes, because 'multiautomatic round weapons' are illegally crossing into California! Ironically this moonbat is talking about mental health issues at the same time. Watch the whole thing if you can stand it or start at 2:05 for a laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhdKIvhf-QY
The Rosetta stone for understanding these strange post war grabs for oil is the Gdp targeting which first began officially after Bretton woods.
From a energy perspective transport as a % of total final energy consumption increases
This seemed fine to the population so long as other energy consumption such as residential increased also.
But now basic energy consumption is being decreased to make living space for the cars.
I can chart this accurately on Irish energy balance sheets going back to 1990
The Ireland of 1990 was already a highly liberal economy.
Transport as a % of total was 27% of total.
In the crisis year of 2007 it reached a peak of 43 %
Irish living standards did not increase during this period.
Stress levels increased exponentially
During the bust transport inputs decreased to 39% of total.
The recovery is a increase of energy in this sphere at the expense of other production or consumption in.Industry and residental
In 2015 the level is again set to reach 43%~
The growth is pointless and has been that way for a very long time.
THE
That was an interesting analysis. Thanks :)
I'm not a huge turkey fan - much rather have ham - gotta love the pig!
Wealth is not Gdp growth (waste)
Wealth is having a sense of wellbeing.
Dear Vlad,
That pipeline comes awful close to Syrian airspace. I mean if ISIS/ISIL/IS were to try to flee an SU24 in that area.
Or, maybe an accidental smart bomb release at altitude could, you know, be lobbed by accident of course. Strongly suggest adequate fighter coverage just in case.
2 or 3 years ago, the internet had a buzz about the US government's website? saying the population of America, in 2025?, would be about 68 Million people, a substantial decline in America's population. That was taken down when it received a lot of attention. If our treasonous government would kill millions of innocents, worldwide, It's very likely they could and would cull Americans.
Is there ANYTHING we can do about it?
probaly start at local walmarts
Words matter in ‘ISIS’ war, so use ‘Daesh’The militants who are killing civilians, raping and forcing captured women into sexual slavery, and beheading foreigners in Iraq and Syria are known by several names: the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham, or ISIS; the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL; and, more recently, the Islamic State, or IS. French officials recently declared that that country would stop using any of those names and instead refer to the group as “Daesh.”
A petition has been created to help spread awareness of this and you can sign it here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/767/932/805/?taf_id=12562735&cid=fb_naISIS is one of the top goddesses of devil worship. The name was chosen by the devil worshiping cult that is the CIA.
Don't look for solutions, there are NONE, only cataclysms are on the radar...
You're all full of shit, as per the usual.
Erdogan is kicking Putin's ass thus far. The Turks shoot down a Russian fighter jet (the same kind of jet that supposedly disabled a U.S. Navy ship in the Black Sea by resorting to electronic jamming) and kill Russians with impunity, so what does Putin do? He says he won't buy tomatoes from Turkey and he'll never forget the butt hurt he got from the Turks.
Like the Turks say, he must have enjoyed it too much that's why he can't forget and yearns for more.
Seriously, what kind of technology is that it can't even defeat a single heat-seeking missile?
The Russians are stupid cowards. Otherwise, they would not sell their oil and precious metals for the electronic digits that their enemy ((America) creates out of thin air. In other words, the Russians are giving stuff away for free to their enemies and they think that's how they wil defeat them?
I guess Putin is employing the same strategy by giving his ass away for free to Erdogan.
Ah, those Russian sodomites,
They make good shooting practice targets for the Turks.
Turkeys shooting bears, go figure...
Faggots = Russians
brilliant, now get back to your potato harvest
You sound more like an ISIS sympathizer.
Hi There, My Name Is Isis!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n0s2zrBiBOU/VlzM6MdqrZI/AAAAAAAACo0/Ogb4N0SkDpw/s1600/Isis.jpg
I'm not. And if Putin really meant to defeat ISIS, he'd have bombed the oil wells on day one of the air campaign.
How is it that ISIS are still able to extract and ship oil?
The Russians are the bankers' dogs, just like you and just like everybody else.
You know, in an air war, there is a thing called progressive strategy. You don't just fly your planes blindly into the center of a hotbed. And besides, securing the coastal area for the airstrip and supplies was job 1. You should get a life.
That's just what the Russians did, flying blindly into the center of a hotbed, since their planes couldn't pick up the presence of the Turkish planes 7-9 kilometers away.
Their airbase was not under attack.
And what's that stupid statement admonishing me to get a life for?
If it's intended to criticize me for being on zerohedge, it applies to you too then, smarty-pants.
"Faggots = Russians"
Eh? There are no women in Russian combat units.
There are no fags in the Russian army.
Let me see.....which army allows fags in and women in combat?
Its on the tip of my tongue...it'll come to me...
Squid
Well, you could make Putin a general in the US Army then after what his ass suffered in Erdogan's hands.
a pre-planned sneak attack by jets scambled to intercept well before any brief airspace violation [which still isn't clear, by the way] by an "ally" in the war against isis, which was given the flight plan, and which pursued the Russian bomber into Syrian airspace has an excellent chance of taking down a fighter/bomber {not even armed with air to air missiles} that is not expecting it.
Different story now, of course.
http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2015/11/30/the-real-reason-for-turkey...
It seems fairly clear that the idea was to provoke a Russian response which would then be cited as "Russian aggression" nd used to invoke nato ally involvement.
Putin did not take the bait and responded with economic sanctions that will hurt Turkey and more importantly hurt Erdogan, who is not especially popular with moderates and the urbanites and whose grip on power is more and more tenuous. It was the wise course, whether or not Putin is subject to criticism in other aspects of his campaign in Syria so far.
I will admit that I don't know much about Turkey and its politics but ultimately the military runs that country - if Erdogan is seen to be trying to provoke a war with Russia whether on behalf of NATO, it is tough to see why this would be in Turkey's interest to do so. Cost/benefit wise, it doesn't seem to behoove the Turkish military to face a gloves-off Russian retaliation just in order to please Vichy Washington or to get some cheap oil. If nothing else you can count on massive drops of weapons to the Kurds in response, and it is not outside the realm of the possible that this is already occuring in Iraq.
These planes are equipped with radar lock and missile-launch warning sensors, in addition to having active electronic countermeasure units on board. That at the very least should have enabled the Russian pilots to become aware of the attack and attempt evasive maneuvers, and even counterattack the Turkish planes with their own AA-8 infrared guided rockets (Russian BS aside, those fighters have a couple of those on them on almost every mission they fly).
Obviously, even the lowly Turkish F-16s had superior electronic warfare capabilities than upgraded Russian fighters.
Seriously, the Russians are in trouble against NATO planes. The Americans and the Israelis will kick their ass no problem. Remember, none of the Russian-supplied SAMs were able to interdict Syrian airspace to Israeli planes which have been attacking and destroying Syrian assets with impunity for decades.
Well, Russia's single biggest oil customer, China, is paying in Yuan and gold, and in case you didn't realise it, Yuan and gold are the next big thing. You keep on accumulating your greenies. Maybe in 100 years they will have some kind of collectors value. As for the shoot down of the SU-24, it is well known that the rear facing radars on the SU-24 are weak. That is why they now have SU-30's flying cover for them. And if you think there is anything in the American or Turkish airforce that can defeat an SU-30, then you are obviously so fucking baked it isn't even funny. Ask the Americans why their F-15's remain grounded in Turkey?
There are no radars on the back of fighter jets but they do have radar lock and missile-launch sensors and ECM equipment on board, all of which was upgraded on the SU-24s the Russians sent to Syria.
Still, even non-American F-16s easily defeated their electronic defenses and shot the Russian plane down without any difficulty.
Moron.
What is the Yuan backed with? What do the Chinese receive when they sell shit to the Americans?
The same green paper you're disparaging.
The Yuan itself de facto is backed by US dollars.
Idiot.
The Chinese, just like the Russians, are an IMF-member country which precludes them from using gold as money. Usage of gold as money is specifically prohibited by IMF bylaws.
The Chinese are stupid pieces of shit and no friend of gold, truth, or reason, or justice etc.
Just like you,
they're a bunch of idiots who sell their goods and services against green paper.
As long as idiots like you make up most of the population of this planet, the dollar remains king.
Unless the Universe decides otherwise.
None of this shit id decided by you, me or the assholes who think they are the godlike children of the barren woman.
@Maestro Maestro
Yet another one "breathing through the anus".
(This expression seems invented or simply made famous by Jim Willie / GoldenJackAss.)
Some good news in Syria: 12-5-2015 (from Ziad Fadel aka Syper - a Syrian Christian attorney in Michigan).
The Erdogan-ISIS stolen oil business is having a few problems in Iraq.
http://syrianperspective.com/2015/12/russian-and-syrian-bombers-wipe-out...
During the last 8 days, the Russian surveillance system, which included satellite monitoring, watched the tanker trucks collect oil and gas from various locations and form long convoys heading to the Turk border. There were 2 convoys which contained about 20 trucks each loaded with goodies for Erdoghan’s son and son-in-law. Once the convoys started to move, joint wings of Russian-made bombers were dispatched into the air to destroy them during the night. The scene is described as typical of nocturnal photos of simmering magma after a volcanic explosion. According to our source, almost all the drivers were cooked alive as they slowly boiled down in the exploding fuels.Read more at http://syrianperspective.com/2015/12/russian-and-syrian-bombers-wipe-out...
It ain't a cake walk for Russia
Russia is allowing Iran to arm the Golan Hights
So. Sorry Putin Puffers
Israel Warplanes Figure Out How To Confuse Russia’s ‘Unbeatable’ Air-Defence Systemhttp://www.express.co.uk/news/world/624293/Israel-warplanes-Russian-air-...
Israel all those MF juews should be bombed to dead too.
Well now that is very, very interesting, because it was just yesterday that the press announced that they were 'going to try to figure out how to defeat the system'. So just so everybody knows, the article you are referring to is about an 18 year old Greek S-300 system, not the S-400 system that has been deployed to Syria and Iran.
Fuck off troll.
Why shouldn't Iran help arm Syria against Israeli aggression on Syrian soil, exactly?
Israel has been bombing Lebanon and Syria primarily to help isis and, it claims, to stop the transfer to weapons to hezbollah, which doesn't attack Israel, it serves to defend Lebanon from Israel's plans to invade, mass murder, and annex Lebanon to the Litani.
And Israel has bombed Syrian army position in support of its proxy - isis
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
The right to self-defense is not limited to Jews, dsty, irrespective of your perpetually Likudnik, batshit crazy assessments of the world in which nothing Israel ever does is aggression and nothing its victims do is ever defense.
As for "figuring out" s400s in order to further murder people fighting isis - you might consider that such systems are not static in their operation or acquisition of targets.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and Muslims our soldiers…” The Prime Minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Nuke Ankara and Riyadh and these problems will be solved.
Careful now.
Loretta Lynch Vows to Prosecute Those Who Use 'Anti-Muslim' Speech That 'Edges Toward ViolenceIt's okay to call for killing cops but don't let her catch you "Edging" what you say.
I would appear the west and Middle East kingdoms are pushing for a three state solution.
Kurds in the North, Shia near Iran, and Sunning in the west of Iraq and east of Syria.
The new Sunni nation was in the cards from the Bush days. ISSL will be moved out and good Sunni terrorists/freedom fighters will be moved in and backed by NATO and Middle East kingdoms.
Key ISSL assets are already being moved out of Middle East and relocated in Africa to be used another day by certain NATO powers. The ISSL mercenaries that remain will be useful cannon fodder to justify the war on ISSL by NATO. One must understand the role mercenaries and private armies play in this conflict. That is why the oil money is so important. Without paying the ISSL troops how many would go back home?
At this point, who woud 'negotiate' with Erdogan. He is damaged goods. HE's betrayed Obama (Sarin gas false flag), Putin (SU-24 shoot down), the Kurds (bombing them), the YPK (declaring them terrorists). He doesn't have an chip left to play with, except perhaps his NATO umbrellla which isn't worth much.
Look for Turkey to invade Syria next. They obviously have war in mind, hell it's already started. Putin is going to have to make a decision, reinforce Syria, or abandon it. There is no way he can hold it with his limited forces, and only 50 aircraft compared with Turkeys 850. Turkey also has the second largest standing army in NATO behind the US. Turkey's geographic proximity, and the ability to cut off Russian shipping supply lines through the Black Sea , give them a stronger hand in this War. I expect Putin will bail on Syria if push comes to shove. It's the smart move. Assad will get to spend his life in exile in Russia, or maybe Iran. I personally think Turkey is behaving recklessly and should be thrown out of NATO for their dangerous provocations.
"Look for Turkey to invade Syria next."
Depends on your definition of 'invade' I guess. To mass divisions on the boarder would require a national call up of reserves, Eurgodan tries that, he's a civil war on his hands.
"They obviously have war in mind, hell it's already started."
I disagree. Eugodan has money on his mind, the rest of the Turks I'm not convinced are all that interested in a major punchup.
"There is no way he can hold it with his limited forces, and only 50 aircraft compared with Turkeys 850. "
Now you got me laughing because I think you're confused. Its RUSSIA in Syria, not Canada. Now that we've straightened that out, you won't be confused anymore. Russia can hold Syria if it choses to. Russia can also squash Turkey if it choses to as well.
"Turkey also has the second largest standing army in NATO behind the US."
Yes, well, Iraq also had the second largest standing army. The question is, how long before a standing army becomes a running army.
"Turkey's geographic proximity, and the ability to cut off Russian shipping supply lines through the Black Sea , give them a stronger hand in this War."
Oh dear....Turkey's ONLY hope is to escalate the conflict without the word "war" coming into it. Cutting the Bosphorus off, an international water way, to Russian shipping is an act of war the Russian Navy and Air Force will act acordingly. Eurgodan is a greedy corrupt basturd but he's not stupid.
"I expect Putin will bail on Syria if push comes to shove. "
I expect NATO to bail on Turkey if push comes to shove.
Russians are NOT Americans.
Squid
excellent.
I think it would be a mistake for Putin to underestimate Turkey's ability to wage war close to home. Eurgodan is desperate, and war is a suitable distraction from domestic problems. All it would take is the slightest provocation to turn public opinion in Turkey against Russia. Perhaps a false flag? Russia's army is obviously no joke. They are very capable and professional, but it comes down to numbers. Russia's air defense systems are wonderful, but they are susceptable to ground attack from FSA elements. It would only take a narrow window of time and coordination for Turkey to establish air superiority over Syria. Because of NATO alliances, Putin will be forced to think long and hard about whether it's really worth attacking Turkey's civilian population centers. It won't look good on the news with a bunch of Turkish civilian casualties and NATO would be drawn into the conflict. Nope, the best course of action for Putin will be to hold Syria long enough to bail.
You play well. Putin must be calculating how to give NATO a black eye over this, but it won't secure his position RE Ukraine. Rather I think Russia will fall back and recruit Iran to take on the house of Saud. Regime change works both ways. Saudi oil goes offline Qatar is bottled up again, and NATO is back to figuring out how the can war with Russia without Germans freezing to death.
Are you fucking nuts? Turkey doesn't have 850 warplanes, they have about 215 F-16's that would be shot down by the dozens by the Russian stand off missile systems, let alone the S-400. And you're forgetting about Iran, which can move it's SU-30's and SU-35's to within a thousand KM's of Ankara, and Crimea is less than 450 KM from Ankara. SU-30's and 35's have an operational range of nealry 4,000 KM's so they wouldn't even have to refuel. If it even came to a ground war, Russian tanks could be brought down in numbers through the gap in the Caucases and would pour into Turkey's eastern flank.
Erdogan would be overthrown long before he got anything started. The Russian have over 500 years of experience fighting them and the Russians have won every time but once.
The evil Ottoman ruin rises again with I$I$... at least that was the plan until Mother Russia became disgusted by this cadaver rising out of the ignominy of its wretched history of genocide. The evil that Erdogan represents is only outdone by the rest of his sickening gang of NATO thugs (North Amerikan Terror Organ)...the craven, blackmailed German schitzophrenic, the foppish pig shagger Davy Cameroon and the despicable narcissistic clown Hollande.
Urupp the worthless vassal of Pentacon Kill Industries is now in the trap. How to organise an "incident" by the stupid Uruppean vassals to provoke Russia will be no great feat for the wily anglozionazi cabal in Washing town and Tel Aviv. As Erdogan plays revolving doors with his USSAN built concetration camps, using the pawns of Turkey's Syrian genocide, the caliph of carnage imagines that the Uruppean puppets will endorse every act of depravity that he unleashes and that the Russia will back down in the face of the USSAN bluff.
This will end badly, very very badly.
http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/100photos_of_armenian_genocide.php
WHEN? (another 50 yrs)
Shale Shalom ! "Petrolitics" sure makes for strange .... "Bedrock Fellows" .... Islamic oil for Israel ?
History shows when the fiat currency system reaches it's end cycle, there is always a call for war. This one however, will wipe out billions!
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/road-to-ww3-time-to...
Turkey invades Iraq. What is it, Saturday again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5EoMdwkpgY
Dutch politician speaks for ME!
Dutch capitalism at one stage ment freedom for the Dutch and slavery for its colonies.
Now that capitalism is eating it's own tail the Dutch object.
Capitalistic democracy has massive internal contradictions, many Dutch still cannot grasp this.
Better to live as a rich peasant rather then a international man of "Democracy "
How many wheels .... did those Turkish transport trucks .... have .... 10, 18, 26 .... or more ?
Shortly before Turkey gunned down the Russian jet, a very special visitor arrived in Ankara to talk things over with Turkish Officers and President. Below describes some of that visit.
"Vice Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Paul J. Selva starts his visit to Ankara reportedly to discuss the fight against DAESH and Turkey’s border security in the region, Selva, an air force general and the nation’s second-highest ranking military officer, is expected to commence his official talks with Turkish officials today and pay his first visit to Deputy Chief of Military General Staff Gen. Ya?ar Güler. During the meetings the officials are expected to discuss the Russian airstrikes on Turkmen-populated areas in Syria as well as other issues pertaining to the region."
It would seem that the US general would be either on hand, or having just concluded his business with his Turkish counterparts just as Turkey carried out what surely was a long-planned ambush of a Russian warplane near the Syrian-Turkish border, and in particular, precisely over the “Turkmen-populated areas in Syria.”
This is just like Ukraine! Where top US officials visited before each Ukie offensive assault on Donbass. The pattern holds!
Hi There, My Name Is Isis!
ISIS=Israeli Secret Intelligence Service https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMUlTSmNu0c
This quote sums up what is at stake for NATO in Syria. Now that Russia has begun to arm it's Syrian occupation forces with top of the line air defenses. NATO has a lot to think about now!
" With Russian air defense systems being enhanced across the region the stakes are being raised as is the cost of any further provocations not only for Turkey, but for NATO as a whole. Should F-16s attempt to ambush another Russian warplane and end up themselves shot down, the veneer of invincibility NATO airpower has enjoyed for years will evaporate amid an already losing battle the hegemonic military alliance is fighting."
You know, I've done a lot of reading in the last 24, and the entire military complex the US operates is a myth. It's AEGIS systems that are in every ship that defends it's carriers is useless now. It's so called stealthy aircraft, built at a cost of trillions and trillions of dollars (to Lockheed Martin) is easily defeated and the most decorated US officer (retired) says that a division of Russians would 'annihilate' a division of US infantry. Their ICBM's can be used because Russian airspace is impenetrable. Europe would be at risk from the deployed ISkander systems. Britain is a toothless tiger and if there ever was a hot nuclear war China would rain down hyperglide nukes on the US like a thunderstorm. On top of that, the Russians don't need a huge, costly fleet of nuclear subs. They solved the problem with a nuclear torpedo, the Tzar bomba of torpedos that would take out Norfolk and most of the rest of the US seabord. What a pack of lying, lunatic hyenas they are. And they want to 'sell' the F-35 to everybody. The most worthless piece of junk ever created.
When you have nothing to intimidate with, and your enemy knows it, it's time to get friendly and take them out for a beer.
5 December 2015, Baghdad (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-turkey-idUSKBN0TO0AU20151205
Exactly what is the role of the United Nations these days ?
UN/Langley's role is to hijack the planet.
http://www.un.org/en/sc/
"The Security Council takes the lead in determining the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression. It calls upon the parties to a dispute to settle it by peaceful means and recommends methods of adjustment or terms of settlement. In some cases, the Security Council can resort to imposing sanctions or even authorize the use of force to maintain or restore international peace and security."
Already hijacked.
Mission failure is immanent,
Sir.
Sugarcoat Department of the west's illegal criminal acts throughout the world. Meaningless anywayz
Ok, the Dutch got rid of the Spanish superpower (the Us of A of the 16th Century)
That was nice and very necessary.
But they simply replaced their colonial masters with Mammon.
Capitalistic democracy (ballot box democracy in a debt Based system) is a fake.
Better to have rights and privileges as well as obligations in a feudal / equity system.
I like getting into fights on Zero (tooth knocked out) Hedge. I pull no punches and you pull no punches.
It's a genuine Fight Club.
And if this is your first time, you have to fight.
Double down vote Miss,
Care to throw the first punch? I do enjoy the odd barny, if you be game mind...
;-)
Maybe you didn't get it but it turned out he was fighting himself.
According to the publication, the agreement regarding the base was signed between the Iraqi Kurdistan leader Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu on November 4 during the latter's visit to Northern Iraq.
Hmmm. Guess I missed the news that Kurdistan had been recognized by the UN as a new sovereign country. Erdogan (the mailicious) wil hide under the NATO umbrella and dare the Russians to bomb his troops. So, there are of course, as always, alternatives. They can just bomb the trucks that transport the oil, or the oil pipeline if one is built, or, better yet, they can just get the Iranians to bomb the Turk base. F-16's can't fly as far as Iran and I doubt the Iranians are afraid of Turkey anyhow. Now that they have deployed the S-400 the Turks would have to make any incursion into Iran a suicide mission.
Does anybody know what the rules are for expulsion from NATO? After all, Turkey is no longer a reliable buffer. Erdogan has stabbed both Obama and Putin in the back, and when it suits him he will stab Israel and SA in the back. He isn't an ally anymore, he is a libility.
Seems unlikely to me that game will end well.
Was just googling for high paying jobs in Iraq and found this site:
https://www.oilandgaspeople.com/oil-and-gas-jobs-search/s/iraq/
All the new job listing were in Erbil, Kurdistan.
Looks like they are starting a major project.
High wages, free accomodations, travel and insurance
Now if they would only pay in ISIS Gold Dinars...
No, not because of that. But because to stop criminal putin regime illegal oil business with ISIS aka daesh
Now Turkey says RUSSIA is involved in illegal oil trade with ISIS after Putin warns ‘murdering our pilots’ will be met with more than just sanctionsSo. let me get this straight. Russia one of the worlds major oil producing countries needs ISIS oil??????
For 15 USD a barrel to sell further? Yes.
Really???
Then it is a small reward for putting an end to the demonic violence.
"Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a televised speech today: 'We have the proof in our hands. We will reveal it to the world.'"
Which means they are still fabricating it, presumably. If the Iraqis or Syrians say so - it will be worth taking seriously, until then, it is very highly improbable - at best. Russia is buying oil from the people it is bombing - really?
Because so far, the Syrians and Iraqis are saying the oil isis sells is all going into Turkey. Some Kurds have claimed that satellite photos are of their trucks going to turkey in the course of business - but one must remember that that oil goes mostly to Israel. The Israelis and the US/Israeli puppets in Iraqi Kurdistan both have an interest in denying that oil transiting through Turkey and on to Israel is coming in part from ISIS.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151201/1031041612/erdogan-turkey-oil...
Turkey Plays Role as NATO's "Wild Card"
Turkey and Israel both have been playing the role of "wild cards" NATO and the US in particular have attempted to feign an inability to control. This allows the US to carry out acts of aggression by proxy through the use of conventional military forces it itself could never justify carrying out.
Turkey and Israel's use by the US in this manner was revealed as early as 2012 in the Brookings Institution's "Middle East Memo #21," "Assessing Options for Regime Change," which stated (emphasis added):
Right, Russia has zero oil of their own after all. /sarc
Checked the other side of the story and apparently Iran is going to present a case that Turkey is running IS oil. There also appears to be another pentagram op going down in WI.
https://www.rt.com/news/324810-iran-proof-isis-oil-turkey/
https://www.rt.com/usa/324869-neenah-shooter-police-active/
Power it's self has for a long time produced nothing but the signs of its resemblance.
And at the same time another figure of power comes into play due to the collective demand for signs of power -- a holy union is reconstructed around its disappearance.The whole world adheres to this more or less in terror of the collapse of the political.
And in the end the game of power becomes nothing but the critical obsession with power -- obsession with its death, and obsession with its survival which increases as it disappears.
It never ended.
A climax does however approach.
Turkey did not invade Iraq - Obama did.
Obama just handed Erdogan $3 billion to invade n' such.
Nobody takes a shit over there without the Americans paying for something.
Iraq has no choice but to freeze ALL US military movement in Iraq going forward - or pay-up some more.
That means to say a US "no fly" policy over Iraqi air space.
Things won't get real until all US air assets are barred from refueling and air traffic control.
Even discussions of US personnel getting bused to Saudi are being discussed.
The Iranians are in charge in the east -Russia in the west.
Evil is quite charming though.
Right?
Obama is a puppet himself. He takes orders from the criminal cabal that owns and runs the United States.
This can not be emphasized enough. For all the talk from certain people re Valerie Jarret, the man had a Mossad sayanim as his first chief of staff and his candicacy for senate was groomed by both the Bill Ayers crowd and a Zionist network centered in Chicago.
And his appointments to high positions in the fed, treasury, state, commerce, office of trade rep, etc. have not gone disproportionately to Muslims. Indeed they are probably under-represented in his appointments and nominations.
Of course there's also the old guard of Brzezinski. If the "obama is a secret muslim" stuff may have come from Cass Sunstein to throw people off the scent of the vast evidence of Obama's Jewish and Zionist backers, Zbig's influence, among other people who aren't Israel Firster types, is likely responsible for Obama appearing to have the testicular fortitude to stand up to Netanyahu and Likud and AIPAC - at least sometimes.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/zbigniew-brzezinski-the-man-behind-obamas-f...
And as always with the U.S., instead of receiving gratitude, because you think you've done your U.S. master a big favor, you get back stabbed as what exactly happened with Saddam. So indeed:
Turkey's Iraq deployment not part of U.S.-led coalition: officials
4 December 2015, Washington (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-usa-idUSKBN0TN2LA20151204
Answer: YES!
Did Turkey invade because of ISIS oil ... probably. Maybe they are trying to help one faction of the Kurds - the cut-throat middlemen - while attacking othrer factions of the Kurds.
Which just goes to show ... there is deep corruption inside "Kurdistan" as well.
The whole of the Middle East is filled with snakes. I don't know how anyone thinks we can have 'world peace' with this nest of Vipers running the show. That region is headed for a major War. Maybe the "War To End All Wars" ... in the Middle East.
OR MOST LIKELY THEY DID IT TO REMOVE ANY PROOF that was left behind, anything that can be tracked back to them...?
They are wiping off the fingerprnts from the crime scene, very wise... most likely killing anybody that can say otherwise...
;-)
could be a clean-up operation. that's true.
Burn the pimps out of Iraq, Vlad.
"Baghdad’s official response to this act of war was a pretty harsh one. According to the Iraqi Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Turkish military “entered the Iraqi territory without the request or authorization from the Iraqi federal authorities and this is considered a serious breach of Iraqi sovereignty and does not conform with The Iraqi authorities call on Turkey to respect good neighbourly relations and to withdraw immediately from the Iraqi territory.”
Iraq’s Foreign Ministry labeled the incursion of Turkish troops as an “invasion’, stressing that any military operation that hasn’t been agreed on with the government in Baghdad is illegal. This situation has already commented by the US military officials, who confirmed that this “move is not part of the U.S.-led coalition’s activities.”
http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/05/erdogan-launched-a-military-invasion-o..."
Erdogan's "Turkmen" Lose Some Of Their Chechen And Saudi Leaders ...
The Russian air force and the Syrian army had a quite successful day while Erdogan's "Bay?rbucak Turkmen" from all around the world lost some key leaders.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/12/erdogans-turkmen-lose-some-of-their...
Doesn't Putin have oil deals with the Rockefellers too?
I smell a rat.
Remove kebab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSDb8pD6sno
REMOVE KEBAB FROM PREMESIS. You will get caught...
I for one have grown extremely tired of all the bullshit! If they are going to start WWIII as Nike says Just Do It! This slow ride to hell sucks!
Well, perhaps the Israeli's had second thoughs about being in the starting line up.
The Iraqi foreign ministry said in a statement early on Saturday that the Turkish troops were acting in violation of the country’s sovereignty and demanded the forces withdraw immediately. “Around one regiment armoured with tanks and artillery” has entered the northern Nineveh area, according to the statement from the Iraqi Prime Minister’s media office.
“The Iraqi authorities call on Turkey to respect good neighbourly relations and to withdraw immediately from the Iraqi territory,”the statement said, stressing that the Turkish troops entered “without the request or authorization from the Iraqi federal authorities,” which is a “serious breach of Iraqi sovereignty.”
The foreign ministry called Turkey’s move “an incursion,” Reuters reported.
Indeed and according to Turkish tradition they're allowed to be completely annihilated.
This turkey is the one Obama pardoned on Thanksgiving Day - a runaway turkey...
This has been an interesting situation to watch develop from a mass media perspective. Aside from the BBC I have seen almost no other mainstream media outlet (other than RT) reporting Turkeys incursion into Iraqi territory, and those that did twisted the story into some sort of great idea and never mentioned Iraqs withdrawl demand at all.
You almost get the impression that Turkey is desperately trying to create an international incident to force its Western partners to support it.... dangerous times indeed.
Right, Iraq wants Turkey and US out. Now calls their presence a "hostile act" (from Next News Network)
Saudi-backed Daesh scum have murdered about 25 captured Houthis. A video shows 9 captives beheaded by Daesh murderers, another 6 killed by a remotely operated RPG round, 6 or so cast adrift in a rowing boat which is then blown up remotely and finally a group of 4 Houthis with mortar rounds strapped round their necks.
[Video in linked article fwiw]
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/12/05/saud-daesh-kill-yemeni/
The Saudi regime is totally and irredemably evil.
Obama has uses for Turkey-Russia tensions
http://atimes.com/2015/11/obama-has-uses-for-turkey-russia-tensions/
"Russia’s military presence in Syria irks Washington. From the US perspective, the regime change agenda in Syria was cruising well enough with the Assad regime bleeding heavily and appearing to totter – that is, until the Russians came with their war planes and missiles and spoiled the party.
Simply put, Washington can find any number of alibi to keep the Russians outside the tent, looking in. The Turkish-Russian tensions that erupted last week present themselves as a splendid window of opportunity to somehow bury the Russian proposal on an international coalition under UN auspices to fight the IS."
yep.
Clinton got impeached for lying about sex, Obama is getting away with lying to people about who is financing ISIS and Al-Qaeda. And not to be left behind, Congress that had a shitstorm of hearings about Benghazi somehow lost ANY interest in what is the truth about ISIS, oil, Turkey, open border etc. I guess when the records get open one day, we can really get a picture of how corrupt and broken is this system. And they wonder why is the (practically) only NON politician wiping the floor with opponents in the elections...
amertardia is completely corrupt. 50 million abortions, trillions in bailouts for the banks, use of nuclear weapons along with most nuclear testing, global war, genocide of indigenous people ever since western inception (100 million native indians, tens of millions of asians, tens of millions of blacks, and millions if not tens of millions of middle easterners), financing of nazis and now terrorists while blaming it on others, largest prison population, largest military, most densest police per capita, largest "asset forfeiture", etc, etc. america is mystery babylon.
"......america is mystery babylon", in the process of falling into the trashbin of history.
Putin's game is tight, its not primarily military power, its information backed by military power. He's making a big deal about the Russian fighter so the world knows the trail leads through Turkey to Israel then onto America. He understands power, that like money if you spend it all at once you run out, but if you let it build as you spend you gain all the way. He started building this power base a long time ago and NATO is being used to contain him or draw him into impulse spending, but he knows that the more the world knows about what goes on the more America will fall apart from the inside. This has already started.
These troops going into Iraq are to protect that which Putin exposed. He can sit in the Kremlin and have a voddy or two if he so feels at present while Turkey just manages their own guilt for a bit and the rest of the rats scatter, and the yuan becomes strong with the failing of the western economy, it'll take some time for the dollar to weaken but I'm guessing he'll move in unison with that, so will China.
America tried to bug the world, Putin put a media network right into the heart of America, tell me the man does not know about information, he does not manage it he sets it free, and he is prepared and just waits for opportunity which the west almost willingly obliges with.
^
please, blankone, read CL's post, perhaps more than once.
Actually, he is absolutely correct, and you are a weasel.
Breaking News: Iran tells Turkey to take a hike, Turkey says 'yes, boss'.
Seems like Turkey, in association with the Sunni Kurds and Isreal, who bases their intelligence network in Mosul, has been funding and training ISIS members in Azerbaijan which curiously, is a Shia state. According to reports, the move to create a Sunni Kurdistan out of Norther Iraq, North eastern Syria and Northern Iran has been 'on the books' for some time now.
So the gig is up boyz. When you're in a shithole over your head, it's time to stop digging.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/05/turkish-troops-enter-iraq-ploy-t...
an excerpt:
Mosul has been “in play” for some time, long the headquarters of Israeli intelligence and advisory groups. Biblical scholars who support the concept of “Greater Israel” cite Mosul as the western capitol of that expanded state, part of the land given the Jews according to their version of the covenant with Jehovah.
Now it appears they are working directly with Turkey and ISIS, by “they” we mean elite Kurdish Sunni leaders and their friends, in partnership with the Erdogan family.
US CENTCOM says:
However, according to two US defense officials quoted by Reuters, Turkey’s deployment is not part of the efforts of the US-led coalition battling Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).
It's so fucking over for you Erdogan. Hope you have your jet ready on the tarmac because by tomorrow morning your 'people' are going to be, how do you say, looking for revenge.
LIGHT INTRODUCTIONS PRESENTS:
Fly On The Wall Productions:
A discussion from the Oval Office between Mr. Obama and Erdogan.
Obama: Look, Erdogan...you can't just move troops into a sovereign country without their permission.
Erdogan: Why Not Mr. President?
Obama: Well you have to depose their government first. Then you don't need troops.
Erdogan: I'm not sure how that could work with Iraq. Didn't you help to set up a puppet government there?
Obama: Yes. But you can't just move troops into a sovereign country without risking war.
Erdogan: Well, we've done it a few times before with your blessing, remember?
Obama: Yes, well that was different. Russia wasn't paying attention then.
Erdogan: Let's play a few rounds of golf and talk about it.
Obama: Fine. You can borrow my caddie. Double or nothing from our last round?
Erdogan: Yes. But this time you don't get any mulligans.
This sort of thing always goes on when proxies are used by various players in these games. Masking funding. Perverse loops of propaganda. The proxies getting screwed over accidentally or intentionally, then going whatever random way looks good to them at the moment. Zealots in charge of feeble minded, fighting a war that their handlers don't consider the point. Fake zealots in charge of the feeble minded, playing any number of sides against each other for their own gains. Then you have each player, often unaware of who in their ranks are playing their own games, for who knows what reasons. The media in all it's varieties relay various slanted views, ingnoring others, being heard in various degree, depending on where they are based, who they are broadcasting to.
For a couple of years this whole mess was going pretty well for everybody but the average non combatant Syrian and Iraqi. Steady low level war profiteering, various resource looting. The long term goal of a north south avenue for resource, cultural, religious, political transport was on track, if a little messy. Then Russia.
Everybody had their targets. Then Russia put one big, X marks the spot across the map. Start on the western front and roll east. I am really hoping Iran, the Kurds and Iraq get it together big time and start two more solid fronts. Iraq hold the line to the south. The Kurds and Iran start pushing west. Russia and the Syrian military continue moving east. Push all those pieces of shit, right up Turkey's ass. Then the NATO countries can decide what they are going to do with the situation they let happen. All those loser "rebels" with Turkey provided fake passports, heading to Europe.
Just Jumping in.
If I was Iraq, I would say I was Jumped from behind and looking for HELP.
Where ever the "IN AMERICAN INTERESTS" doesn't go as planned, (Coercion)
Total Destruction of any and all Infrastucture will make them remember....WTF?
Kick Turkey out of Nato. Either They Go or We had Better!
That could be the Start of again.........War.
The Pendulium is slowing down......Job Stats.
A Generation of frustration ready to be unleashed........
Iraq should ask for a UNSC meeting. Not that it will do any good but it will help to establish the frame that Turkey invaded another country. NATO's art. 5 will not count in this case. European countries will drop art.5 really fast if it should be on the table cause they ain't happy with Turkey at all at this moment.
Ask Cyprus or Greece about these kind of "temporary Turkish penetrations" last.
If the Iraqis were smart, they would tell the world this is an act of war at the UNSC, give the Turks 24 hours to get back across the border or they will then ask the Russians to bomb the Turks.
The Turkish government and people have been war profiteering from Iraq for more than a decade now. The Turkish shipping companies pay ISIS protection money and will then claim that back from their Western customers in South Iraq. That's fucked up.