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Putin Accuses US Of ISIS Oil Coverup
Last Wednesday, the Russian MoD delivered a lengthy presentation which contained compelling visual evidence of a connection between Islamic State’s illegal and highly profitable trade in stolen Iraqi and Syrian crude and Turkey. Here are some highlights:
After loading up with oil, a truck convoy in east Syria heads toward Turkey in direction Al-Qamishli:
October 18: in the Drer-ez-zor region a satellite imagte reveals 1772 oil trucks:
November 14: in the Tavan and Zaho regions, in the zone where coalition forces are active, one can see a gathering of oil trucks:
November 28: in the region Kara-Choh on the territory of an oil refinery one can see 50 oil trucks:
The routes of alleged oil smuggling from Syria and Iraq to Turkey:
A substantial part from east Syria enter a refinery in Batman, Turkey (100km from the Syria border):
The slide show, hosted by Deputy Minister of Defence Anatoly Antonov, featured photos of oil trucks, videos of airstrikes and maps detailing the trafficking of stolen oil. It was the latest PR snafu for Erdogan who is struggling to convince Turkey’s allies that The Kremlin’s accusations are unfounded and that Ankara isn’t set to put NATO in an awkward position by effectively instigating a shooting war with Russia.
Washington came to Erdogan’s defense in the aftermath of Moscow’s claims as State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the US is confident that Ankara “is not complicit in Islamic State oil smuggling.” Russia seemed to take that denial in stride, but after US special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs, Amos Hochstein, said on Friday that the amount of oil smuggled into Turkey from Syria is "of no significance from a volume perspective", Moscow appears to have had enough.
On Saturday, Russia accused the US of participating in a cover-up. “Our colleagues from the State Department and the Pentagon have confirmed that the photo-proof, which we presented at a briefing [on December 2], of the origin and destination of the stolen oil, coming from the areas controlled by the terrorists, is authentic. However, the US claim that they ‘don’t see the border crossings with tanker trucks crossing the border,’ raises a smile, if only, because the photos are still images,” Major General Igor Konashenkov, a Defense Ministry spokesman said. “We advise the American side to have a look at how the tanker trucks not only drive through checkpoints at the Turkish border, but pass through them without even stopping.”
As RT notes, an unnamed US State Department official confirmed to Reuters on Friday that the Russian photos of thousands of oil tanker trucks in Syria were authentic [but] stressed that he hasn’t seen “the imagery of the border crossing with trucks crossing the border, and that’s because [the US doesn't] believe it exists.”
Well, here it is:
"The declarations of the Pentagon and the State Department seem like a theatre of the absurd," the MoD added, before noting that Washington should "watch the videos taken by its (own) drones which have recently been three times as numerous over the Turkey-Syria border and above the oil zones". That, by the way, is an attempt to mock Washington for increasing the number of drones monitoring the situation while failing to actually conduct strikes. Earlier this week, Russia said that despite Washington's claims, the US and its partners are actually not bombing ISIS oil infrastructure or convoys.
In case the above isn't clear enough, here's more from the Russian MoD's Facebook: "When US officials say they don't see how the terrorists' oil is smuggled to Turkey... it smells badly of a desire to cover up these acts."
We have on any number of occasions suggested that Washington has avoided striking ISIS oil convoys in an effort to ensure that the group retains the funding it needs to continue to destabilize Syria and the Assad government (see here for instance) and in order to preserve amicable relations with Ankara which appears to benefit from the trafficking of illegal crude both from Kurdistan and Islamic State.
And so, Russia once again turns the screws on the West in an effort to expose what at this point looks to be a coordinated effort to facilitate the funding of international terrorism via the establishment and maintenance of smuggling routes for some 50,000 b/d of oil looted from fields in eastern Syria and northern Iraq. If the US is indeed complicit in this, it might be time to cut ties with Erdogan because Moscow is on the PR warpath and it's just a matter of time before the smoking gun emerges.
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Vladimir Putin
Barry Obama
And Putin would be correct, sadly. We've fallen that far.
The question is why allow the Kurds in Iraq to use ISIS to broker oil? If it's true that a lot of the oil is coming out of northern Iraq as some report. My guess, it seems the USA wants to destabilize Baghdad to prevent it from becoming a regional player and thereby undermine Iran.
Money for their government, for weapons, for supplies, for infrastructure. Don't forget, less than 16 months ago the Kurds had no uniforms and virtually no weapons. But this appears to be a case of the Sunni Kurds conspiring with the Sunni Turks and Arabians. Bottom line is that it has been the radical, blood thirsty end-of-the-world group in Washington, Tel Aviv, Ankara and Riyhad that have perpetrated this treason and wanton murder of innocents.
The DC group thrive on chaos. They don't give a fuck.
Barry was brought into power to smooth over the "war on terror" with Muslim's. They set this up 15-20 years ago and now they are stuck with the guy. The wanted the homo/mixed race smooth talker, but they didn't factor in who they actually might be up against. The figured they would be up against a Russia largely controlled by them, lmao.
He's lied just about everything from healthcare to Gitmo so I'm not surprised is there's an "isisGate."
Well?
...Anyone surprised?
We all know that Barry is a friend of Islam. But let's face it. The man is a sexy beast. That's why Putin loves him so much. Obama is loved by all. Deal with it.
"Putin proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, USSA of ISIS oil coverup."
there, fixed it for ya
That the US is complicit in helping fund ISIS, and keep it alive as an organization must be the supremest of backstabbing insult to the French. The US is aiding an organization that just attacked that country, killing 130 of its nationals. When Putin is now on the good side, the US in bed with ISIS what has this world become? Am furious at the US and its BS doubletalk. The US can shove it's double talking hypocrisy up its ass. Somebody take that god damn printing press away that permits this BS. I no longer consider them one of the good guys...
It took you a GD long time to come to your conclusion if you are "now" no longer considering them one of the good guys. So what are you left with and who then IS a good guy?
Hey truthers, can anyone explain why this report from Engdahl(?) could be dated 24th August 2015? http://journal-neo.org/2015/08/24/erdogan-s-dirty-dangerous-isis-games/
And Putin would be correct, sadly. We've fallen that far.
America.....is dying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vajGXvMS660
Stand up....and fight. It's 1776 all over again.
These revelations should be front-page headlines that would bring down a government, but the mainstream media will continue to ignore them.
The US can read the number plate of a car/truck from space with the camera of a satellite, the US reads just about every email sent in this world, the US monitors just about every phone call and text message sent on our planet and the US dragnets trillions of GB of data....but they didn't know that IS is selling oil in Turkey and they don't know that (NATO partner and EU/SSR prospect member) Turkey is dealing with IS?
Fuckin Joo World Order. This is a the term that should be used to describe the endless global warfare and lies perpetuated by the Zionists infecting governments around the world, and controlling the American gov't. No support for the Greater Israel plan here... Not in my name, not ever.
Can't be stated enough.
Stop blaming Barry, or NATO, or Vlad, The House of Saud, or whoever.
The blame lies either within the Puppetmaster or the American audience that continues to be enthralled. I can't decide which is to blame.
If you need more evidence to help figure out just who the bad guys in MENA are,
Here is a little something to shove straight up the US State Department’s hypocritical posterior.
They want to ship in 10’s of thousands of Syrians, but…
No help for Americans citizens trying to flee Yemen.
https://youtu.be/3_KHO4B9bc8
Amazing, even on Yahoo, the vast majority of readers know that the USSA is lying. Read the comments following the article: over 1500 posted so far.
Russia is winning this aspect of the propaganda war
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-accuses-us-cover-over-oil-smuggling-turkey-...
And lets have a look at the articles linked to the right of these comments, which were overwhelmingly anti-stupidity in nature. Good comments.
The articles-
Five ways the US can reduce mass shootingsChristian Science Monitor
U.S. mass shootings: 'The dark side of American exceptionalism'Yahoo News
Squirrels: America's silent menace?CBS News
Hillary's open port email server was down and their PS4 was overheating, so they had to conduct biz face to face.
Do you consider it worth fighting for 97,330,000 Free Shit Americans to suck on the taxpayer teat?
I'm heavily financing many shares of that shit. Republicans are the problem, everyone knows tha Democunts are a consortium of communists. It's election time, dust off the IRS reduction plans, the mangy old slogans such as " smaller less intrusive government ".
I'll never vote again, I want no part of the shit. This is the interim stages of the fall of the USSR into oligarchy looting and squalor for the rapidly diminishing middle class. Hitlery is the favorite so watch the looting rapidly progress to pillaging, plunder and massive squalor.
First. you must figure who or what you are fighting against - then you must find and redistribute the sadly lacking morality of the common people - listening to an interview with Catherine Fitts?/ on the issue of drug money, most people were happy to turn a blind eye if they got some benefit - That means that morality is gone/dead in the West.
turtle: it is dated such because that's when "Gürsel Tekin vice-president of the Turkish Republican Peoples’ Party, CHP, declared in a recent Turkish media interview, “President Erdo?an claims that according to international transportation conventions there is no legal infraction concerning Bilal’s illicit activities and his son is doing an ordinary business with the registered Japanese companies, but in fact Bilal Erdo?an is up to his neck in complicity with terrorism"
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/08/24/erdogan-s-dirty-dangerous-isis-games/
the turks know what's happening in turkey before u.s. cable tv or even zero hedge, sometimes.
The Wall Street journal printed a story that this is all false. We are in the fog of war and the truth will be decided by the victors. Overall, I find it telling that many of the US citizens believe Putin over Obama.
Thx Jeff. Thought this report must have been backdated. Was not aware how long this has been "common knowledge".
It's dated August 24th because Engdhal wrote it way back then! He's proven to be totally on the ball every step of the way. I've followed him for years.
Well Spud, we are each left with ourselves. Souverign Individuals. Trust no one and always carry a weapon.
"must be the supremest of backstabbing insult to the French"
And why would that be, when France is every bit as deeply involved?
Paid distractor shill or just massively ignorant?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article175754.html
http://osnetdaily.com/2015/11/why-frances-brave-new-war-on-isis-is-a-sic...
France, in close coordination (co-conspiracy) with Turkey, has been involved in the scriptwriting, staging, production, financing, and direction of thi absurd Syrian theater play, right back to the beginning of the Syrian civil war, both acting as the on-set errand boys of the US. If an objective outsider were to draw up a list of war criminals to be tried for the Syrian catastrophe, the French leadership would have a good showing. It seems likely that the French and Turkish FMs (Fabius, Davutoglu) cowrote much of the scenario years ago. The Paris attack, for the French leadership, was manna from heaven, the 9/11-style gift that keeps on giving, the most perfect justification to continue doing what they were doing, and begin doing what they could not have done, before. The playbook infrequently changes.
Obama takes it up the Ass. Just like the Prophet Muhammad. Both are/were sexually-abused children.
don't despair. there is no action corrupt enough that the msm can't overlook for their team.
they are already "all in". they are not about to get all journalistic integrity now.
Yes, and they want the terror of IS to spread fear throughout the region, fragmenting the government and keeping it in perpetual turmoil. At least until Syria & Iran falls..then they can plae a nice western banking dictator. That said, the** shit **might hit the fan in the west long before that occurs.
Not just a local effect. They need chaos and war to keep their heads out of baskets and necks out of nooses. The Israeli-Neocon Cabal has committed horrendous crimes and many dozens will hang and 100s of others in governments everywhere will spend the rest of their lives in jai.
Those guys rolled big dice, and they can't stop playing. Normal political processes mean that 9/11 will be investigated as a crime and they will hang.
Forget arguments about intent and goals. Staying alive means staying in power. Power is the only meaningful goal for an Israeli-Neocon.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-the-weak-spot/
9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government
Brother - I hope you are right but the z-media has everything on lockdown and brainwashing mode with TV and Zollywood.
Brother, the point is, the chaos enables the lockdown and without the lockdown, they, the zionist, neocon 9/11 perpetrators all face the meat hook. So, chaos and more chaos is what The West has as their only game plan going forward.
Spot on. Eradicate the Zionist virus.
There have been books written that identify the problem.
Has there been one written that explains how to fix it?
The writings of Erich Fromm are about as close as we might get to that, but it doesn't take a book to learn to grow a pair and stop sucking up to gods and masters. It takes a village.
from iran/contra to ankara/isis...the worm turns anew.
Great theater by two NWO nations which both serve the same interests.
Can't start WW3 without first putting on a show so the masses know why they're sending their kids to die!
Iran/Contra - mainstream media all over it. They didn't shut up for 10 years. Libya/Benghazi - mainstream media not so much. Coverup continues with help of MSM. Ankara/Isis - mainstream media not so much. Coverup just beginning with help of MSM.
I wonder why the difference in MSM coverage of Iran Contra compared to Libya/Benghazi and Ankera/Isis. Say what you want about red team blue team being same but coverage of their wrongdoings by MSM sure shows a difference.
I wish I could shake your hand for that last sentence alone.
The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Realize, the whole point of the media is not to support Obummer or knock down Bush. The purpose of the corporate owned mainstream media is to keep the zionist banking scam in power. If that reality hurts your feelings because you are a Bush lover, then get over it. Focus on your real enemy. Obummer v. Bush is just the Punch and Judy show.
THEY OWN THE CHESS BOARD !!! BOTH SIDES It's all an illusion. I you stupid creatures saying yay! Putin and Boo Obama. Do some research please. ~ Lord Ariok
Yeah well.....God owns them all.
I've read the back of the book.......we win.
Should be fun.
Which author?
cossack
Ghost written.
You have a great additude for a dead guy, Vince. I like it.
God can and will control them all. I'm pretty sure some of them can, never will or have belonged to him. They've belonged to some one else for ever.
"God owns them all"
Thats what people say who do not vote, passing the buck and blunders. Denying their responsablity.
We are in this mess because the most have rejected the spirit of discernment.
did 9-11 happen under bush. yes it did. has it ever ever been investigated by the msm? no it definitely has not.
they may not have shut up about iran contra for ten years but did the real story about the drug smuggling become part of history book history? did anyone go to jail? the only guy to serve time was thomas clines who, imo, stole money for himself from the cia project and pissed off the swiss moneyman zucker. you piss off zucker you serve time sucker.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/07/us/iran-contra-witness-testifies-on-ba...
hey, one other point. iran contra armed iran. who always doesn't want iran armed? do they control a few media outlets?
Lot of good that media attention did. I still have to look at that traitorous lying shitbag Ollie North on my TV set for fuck's sake.
That is not the point.
Don't detract from the question.
It is not all the Kurds, just one pro-Turk general allied with the Saudis, Qataris, Turks, and ISIS.
The majority of Peshmerga wants this group obliterated.
The Peshmerga needs some help from Hezbollah or Putin's friends in Chechnya. Chechnya leader Ramzan Kadyrov has a $5 million bounty on his head from "ISIS." He offered Putin and Russia 20,000 fighters anytime they need help.
I think that Kurd sellout Barzani and his klan need to get a visit.
Which reminds me...
Wasn't it a Chechnyain crew that Putin used to put the righteous smack down on Cheney's Geogia/South Ossetia dipshits?
Holy shit, did they kick their asses! They were some hard, pipe hitting niggers, for sure. Pretty sure Cheney still feels the sting of humiliation from that one to this day, evil sonofabitch that he is.
This whole proxy, passive aggressive bullshit is nothing new by a long shot.
Maybe someone here knows the story better but this is what I remember. Supposedly there was a brigade or unit of maybe 500 or 1,000 Chechens who were going to be thrown into the short Georgia/So Ossetia battle.
The Georgians supposedly pissed in their pants and ran away. Georgia was outfitted with all new NATO gear and upgraded M-60 or T-72 tanks. They dumped all the new gear and ran.
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Iraqi Kurds no equivalence to Syrian Kurds. Iraqi Kurds controlled by self-appointed dictator Barzani, corrupt to same degree Erdogan and with him in cahoot. Kurdish northern Iraq and is run as criminal syndicate cult, will not be surprised when leaked they conspire with Erdogan against Turkish Kurds.
Syrian Kurds not under Barzani. Did not betrayed President Assad and President Assad can expect them to reward on conclusion the war much greater autonomy. US construction airbase illegally on northeast Syria to be the boot Uncle Sam use for stomping Syrian Kurds to Assad remaining loyal.
Iraqi Kurd dictatorship betrayers Baghdad and betrayers Turkish Kurds and Syrian Kurds, makes natural ally to Erdogan and US.
thanks for your comment. it doesn't look like it was easy work.
is that a russian accent?
Sounds like Boris yes.
Sounded like the truth to me.
Truth seems to be spoken with a Russian accent these days, more often than not.
Funny, that.
It's not 'The Kurds', it one totally corrupt clan - the Barzanis - who are as bad as the Erdogan clan.
Divide et impera is pursued with hubris. (Balkanization is only one aspect of how divide and conqueor is implemented). Bite-Me Joe and Neocons' desired partition of Iraq has taken a back seat to the competing partitions of Syria and Turkey.
johngaltfla, We've fallen that far
Actually, it used to be a lot worse. Examples are US carpet bombing of Vietnam to dust and Central America in the 80’s to the point of never recovering. And Russia in Afghanistan and Czechoslovakia.
No, these Empires are much better now compared to the past. And because of public scrutiny. I mean, internet.
That would so suck if what you say is true.
Obviously America history is not your thing.
Central America 1970’s Crisis followed by the Reagan Doctrine. Mainly a war against Christians but propagandized in America as a war against Communism.
Thousands, if not millions dead. Massive starvation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American_crisis
"Most Latin Americans have seen their neighbor to the north (the United States) growing richer; they have seen the elite elements in their own societies growing richer – but the man in the street or on the land in Latin America today still lives the hand-to-mouth existence of his great, great grandfather... They are less and less happy with situations in which, to cite one example, 40 percent of the land is owned by 1 percent of the people, and in which, typically, a very thin upper crust lives in grandeur while most others live in squalor." — U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, in a speech to Congress on United States policy in Latin America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_States_relations#1940s.E2.80.931960s:_the_Cold_War_and_the_.22hemispheric_defense.22_doctrine
Now that U.S. has also become Latin America, most Americans have seen their elected govt growing richer; they have seen the elite elements in their own societies growing richer – but the man in the street or on the land in America today now lives month to month with no hope of a secure future.
That’s the irony. And a sad one to come. And we are not prepared. By the way, I consider myself an American. Gonna die here. Prepared, or not prepared.
I consider myself an American.
So why do you want to turn it into Venezuela?
because of the nice weather
and hot chicks.
First, stop making these broad comparisons. US is a nation of over 300 million people. Venezuela 30. US is an Empire. Venezuela a colony. Saudi Arabia would be a better comparison vis-a-vis Venezuela.
Second, The problem with Venezuela is that the “oil” money leaves Venezuela, along with the oil.
Third, inquiry. Critical thinking. I came here with the intent of learning. With open mind. Always wanting to disprove my believes, if that is what takes to learn. To make sense of reality.
I understand that are many here don’t want their believes challenged. Try to tell them that jesus, most likely, wasn’t born from a virgin. That, there are no 72 virgins in your way to allah.
Also, there are many out there that want to distort the facts. Where their opinions, and believes become facts. Facts that can never be proved, but inside their brains.
So, these people need to be shammed. Discredit. I take a lot joy on that. And I learn a lot at the process.
But I am not holding my breath that many commentators here care about of being ashamed. Care about to be wrong. Their egos and ignorance get the best of them.
You are a shit sucking commie.
That's a fact. And shit sucking commies never learn.
It is said that the internet is the place people come for affirmation not confirmation. People tend to only read things they agree with and follow people who feel the same. I try and read both sides of an argument/discussion. I am hugely disappointed in America but it didn't start with Obama. Obama is merely the prince of fools. America lost it's moral compass long ago
Escrava
"I understand that are many here don’t want their believes challenged. Try to tell them that jesus, most likely, wasn’t born from a virgin. That, there are no 72 virgins in your way to allah."
Could be 72 chaste goats.
But if you believe, despite evidence to the contrary, you will have a lot more "friends".
Why, I saw an airplane crashing to the ground and it stopped about 2 feet before it hit, a rabbit stepped out and said, "Ran out of gas". For crying out loud, I saw it with my own 2 eyes.
sure
Well, we're going to see whether the 'end days' of Empires are much better now or if they're every bit as bad as the old time Empires, aren't we?
Of course NOW will eventually regress…….. Not that you wouldn’t know it.
No, these Empires are much better now compared to the past. And because of public scrutiny. I mean, internet.
That's wishful thinking.
Computers and the Internet only allow for much faster spread of disinformation, with very little effort.
Computers are neutral. Yes, they can be used to spread misinformation. Sometimes, unknowingly, wrong information. I did that myself, later on having to correct.
So, I learn to research, to refrain commenting before I learned more about the subject. Not easy but I enjoy.
So, if you see misinformation being spread, it’s our duty to correct it. With computer. Or without computer.
You didn't get my point or are avoiding it on purpose.
With computers you can spread so much disnformation so fast, nobody will be able to keep up correcting it!
I am almost seeing the next step as Punting coming out into a presser saying "I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse."
It is Cold War v2.0..but this time, the US and the West in general (vs Russia) turned full 180°. Russia is on the right side of history, this time. Even the persecuted (i.e. Edward Snowden) takes refuge, in Russia.
The US and amateur Obama, has no f-ing credibility at all...compared to Putin.
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3 x more US drone at the turkish border : What for ? They don't trust an old NATO ally ?
No, they are spying on Russia and her allies and trying to provide intel and cover for their baby, ISIS and their corrupt Turkish brethern.
According to this, no
I believe it is spelled "Bath House Barry"
Ah, so again Congress gets a pass, eh?
We will not fall via a corrupt "leader," we will fall via a corrupt Congress.
Have fun with your votes, though.
The current Congress, and the previous President, are the best argument against voting Republican, ever.
No matter what line they're taking, it's a lie.
It's adorable that you still think there's a difference in the parties.
ditto
The first thing that happen after winning office to DC.....is you are compromised.
And they take pictures.
The reason we have Obamacare is Justice Roberts was blackmailed over his daughters adoption.
That reminds me of Mountbatten. When his boat was blown up off the Donegal coast, he had addopted twin teenage boys on board.
Friendly amendment, Vince...
"Illegal adaption"...
Though I'm not sure why it worked as blackmail since it seems everyone knows.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/05/1063-documented-examples-of-barack-oba...
What's the count up to now? Over 1,000?
Standard Disclaimer:
A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.
He asked, 'What are all those clocks?'
St. Peter answered, 'Those are Lie-Clocks.
Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock.
Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.'
'Oh,' said the man, 'whose clock is that?'
'That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie.'
'Incredible,' said the man. 'And whose clock is that one?'
St. Peter responded, 'That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life.'
'Where's President Obama’s clock?' asked the man.
Obama’s clock is in Jesus' office.
He's using it as a ceiling fan.
Would be a good joke if Lincoln wasn't a lying, murdering, Statist weasel.
And Mother Theresa was a piece of shit...
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-03/uom-mta022813.php
Uh-oh, I didn't finish my point...
Ultimately, We will fall via ignorance of the citizenry.
I would have up voted your comment if you had included not voting Democratic too. You only got it half right.
D ... R ... "what difference does it make?" there is no party. there is nothing but zionist whores doing what they do best, tear down and destroy.
amazing how red team blue team shit still works.
Think Hillary is any better?
I actually respect Sanders (oh fuck you...) because he's been saying the same shit forever. He's earnest. Crazy and naive - but earnest.
I do think hes the least worst on foreign policy actually but i can not vote for any of these clownish cunts.
Freddy Krueger
Barry Obama
that is just funny
7 years in....we we don't even know what the hell that guys real name it.
When I clicked on this I had rammstein cranked up on the box , moskau . Old southern rebel, 7th armour is coming.
obama logged in twice
Latvians must be at potato harvest
Or a good ol fashioned goat fuckin'
Batman
Turkey
Putin holds the Moral High-Ground. It's an Upsidedown World. Weird...'
At the rate things are progressing it won't be an upside down world for much longer.
What's the over under for WW3? 1 year? less?
My guess is it will depends largely on how long the dollar lasts
Yeah, I think it'll be used as a cover for the collapse. Even post-collapse they can't afford a forensic audit, since it would implicate too many currently in power. So after a little bit of financial records flambe', that problem is solved.
Look at Argentina having 5 I think, data center fires, records destroyed as the existing regieme leaves power.
Destroyed evidence should be presumed as damning to those that it would have implicated. Hope the Argentinians know how to tie a noose.
These things come in degrees. We are most definitely into it now but it isn't high grade enough to be an all out affair. I asked the other day if this will end up being considered WW3 by the participants or historians. I think it is a fair question. Sometimes you just can't see the truth of a thing because you are in it. Forest for the trees and all of that.
Putin threw the zoligarchs and Soros out of Russia too.
Putin talks about his Christian faith. Note he is going or leaving to midnight Christmas mass which takes 3 hours in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk
Putin also knows the non-Russian and non-Christian Bolsheviks murdered 25 million Christian Russians.
People like Soros, Nudelman, Poroshenko, John Kohn, Schumer, Feinstein and their lackeys like Obola and McCain et al.
Putin pushed back against their aggressive advances, but they are not completely out. 6+ of the top 10 billionaires in Russia are Jews. Russian politics are always a delicate balance, much more so then they seem.
Maybe "oligarch" in Russia is a code word for "jew", like they tried to make the word "neocon" a code word for "jew", here in the US
Maybe Edgar Casey was right.
Looks like it.
That's "Edgar Cayce"...in case anyone is looking to do further research.
Fuck You Obutthead!
The Obama administration is behaving like a little 3 year old.
A 3 year old would know better.
"Yes we can!"
Yeah. I guess they kind of underestimated him, didn't they.
"Yes we scam"
And if you were Obama? Surrounded by a hostile congress of war hawks and Pentagram weasels who want to start a shooting war for any old reason at all, despite having nothing to fight with? Check the facts and get back to me.
What do you guys think of this editorial, by Mike Whitney? Jeb Bush would be a lot worse if he gets elected.
“No Ground Troops to Syria:” Obama’s Smartest Move in Eight Years? (Nov 18)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/18/no-ground-troops-to-syria-obamas-...
'While there’s no question that the victims of this horrific crime [Paris] deserve all of our sympathy and support, there’s also no question that the media has exploited the attacks to serve their own purposes. From the moment the attacks were first announced on Friday until today, the media has conducted a full-blown, round-the-clock propaganda campaign that reenacted every bomb blast, every screeching siren, and every lurid detail in order to generate as much fear in the public mind as possible. The objective in fueling this mass hysteria became apparent to me after watching all five political talk shows on Sunday where the consensus view of all the interviewees was: “ISIS is evil. Obama needs to do something. Obama needs to send troops to Syria.”
For example: Jeb Bush says to George Stephanopoulos, “We need to show leadership…We need no-fly zones…We need ground troops.” Not to be outdone, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said, ‘We need 50,000 troops to take Raqqa.’ Shortly after, Fareed Zakaria of GPS chimed in with this (completely phony) heartfelt appeal for US intervention...
But the strategy isn’t working, not this time at least. In fact, Obama is actually digging in his heels. On Monday, in a truly extraordinary press conference following the G-20 Summit, Obama announced that he wasn’t going to send ground troops to Syria after all. He said he thought “it would be a mistake.” You could have heard a pin drop after he made his statement. And then, of course, the press corps went into full attack-mode...'
JeBush is a pathetic idiot, though he was supposedly the smart one in that family. That just shows why you should never trust the advertisement, political or otherwise. No matter. Fortunately for the rest of the world, JeBush is now deader than a door knob; Trump made him mince meat...
Jeb bush takes ass kissing of isrsel snd the jew lobby to nauseating new lows.
Him and cruz and rubio in fact.
Id like them to take a stroll through a veterans hospital.
See how many Jews they find lying in bed or being wheeled around.
Jews are 2.5% of the population but probably less than 0.1% of the military.
Fact.
More american jews join the israeli army than ours.
But 'dual loyalty' is a " canard "
Why do so many keep saying "Jeb Bush", when JEB are the initials of his name: J.E. Bush
Jeb Bush = J.E. Bush Bush
I get it that the MSM and the Sheeple are ignorant, and play fast & loose, but I'd hope that ZHers would know better. If you didn't know, you do now.
Go back, dig deep and you will see the Bush family fortune was made by starting major wars.
1. Prescott Bush and the Walker relatives - backed Hitler along with other banksters, industrialists like Ford, Krupp, Rockefellers, Red Shield and others. Std Oil sold ethyl to the Luftwaffe for their aviation gas until the end of the war through S America and Switzerland.
2. Poppy and Vietnam. He was there with LBJ, Deep State, zios and others to whack out JFK and start Vienam.
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/FbiMemoPhotoLinkBushJfk.htm
DeMohrenschildt was associated with Clint Murchison’s meat-packing business and cattle ranches around Dallas according to Brewton; but more importantly, Congress found that DeMohrenschildt’s personal address book contained the name and Midland, Texas address of George H. W. Bush, providing additional evidence linking Bush 41 to events surrounding JFK’s death, covered up and watered down by the congressional committee to protect the future president and others.
DeMohrenschildt was also buddies with lowly book clerk Lee Harvey Oswald (sheep dipped patsy). Years later, DeMohrenschidt was murdered in a hit like Cord Meyer (CIA) ex-wife who had been having an affair with JFK. Cord Meyer was running Operation Mockingbird and was made a fool by his wife screwing JFK.
3. Poppy - Gulf War 1.
4. GW - 9/11, Gulf War 2 (Iraq) and Afghanistan.
How many tens of trillions were spent on those wars? How many millions innocents were murdered for trillions in profits. Go look at David Cameron's wiki. His family have been financing wars for the Red Shield for 200+ years. This is his non-goy side of the family.
I loathe the Kennedys but the Bushes were far bigger war mongers. Over the years, I have done a 180 on JFK and even RFK. I think Ted became a huge mega sell out to avoid being killed.
I think the author is of the misconception that Obama somehow is half pregnant. Obama might suffer the same delusion. Perhaps if Obozo not only attended his own PDBs over the last seven years, but also asked intelligent questions about the motivations and means, and had he shut down the US destabilization efforts back in 2009, there might a better case. You can't lead from behind, and Obama's underlings are leading him like a dog on a leash, sometimes the DOG might resist and pull on the leash, but the MAN with the leash usually gets his way.
"despite having nothing to fight with?"
The US has the biggest military on the planet by every measure by a longshot. You outspend Russia by about 10:1 - whose fault is it that you do not have anything to fight with?
The fact that a lot of money is spent on weapon systems that do not work (like the F-35) and training soldiers who would never be able handle modern war is my point. A lot are just in it for job security, education and an early pension. Plus pure pork barrelling for military facilities in every congressional district, and in every NATO country.
Hence, "Yes we scam". The US MIC is the biggest scam on the planet.
It is all about stealing taxpayer money and looting the Treasury.
My guess is the same thing happened in Ancient Rome. They destroyed the currency by shaving the silver coins.
Silver coins now have beards.
[Hence, "Yes we scam". The US MIC is the biggest scam on the planet. ]
Have to take issue with that> Fractional reserve banking is the biggest scam on the planet.
Spoctor Din
Point taken, I will graciously move to 2nd place.
it will tsake a lot more than facts to sway the bottom half of the class. the players know what is at stake. the people are being played for the dimwits they are. ww3 has started. a little more muslim hate to stir up for the election circus and we are there!
the evangelicals and other abrahamic fundies must be jerking off to religio book citings porn. what happens if no god shows up in time? do you just say oops?
No man knows the day or the hour, but regardless to live is Christ and to die is gain...always win-win for those who know and are known as His children. Also, always a sad day when the unrepentant and unregenerate sinner dies without receiving the free gift of reconciliation.
Unregenerate? Dang Tootin. I sure don't want my skin regenerating after each torture from your Fire God !
I will never understand how otherwise intelligent humans could so blindly believe such obvious horseshit.
Did you ever just wonder, just wonder, that maybe the worship of these fucking books as written by a magic being is just a pack of stories not meant to be taken literally?
I know youre not an idiot - but man are you brainwashed into acceoting rubbish
We won't know until far in the future if Obama has been playing the long game with Vlad as his secret partner, but given Obama's vulernability to the dark forces that surround him, I wouldn't doubt it.
Be that as it may, it's obvious that there are many good people on both sides of this who have set the trap that the radical right wing has walked right into. This will echo down the eons of time. Maybe, just maybe we will have peace by Christmas.
Long game? Obama has no game, he's a child in a daycare center fighting over the "S" block. The adults have landed in Syria. As an American, it does not make me proud to admire a leader from another country showing me how a real leader actually leads. This country is starved for leadership, after decades of being whored out to all corners of the globe by the ZIO pimps. And the "radical right wing" all jumped ship and registered democrat after Bush left office. Neocons have no party allegience, their only allegience is to power.
His game is to sell out and destroy America and Europe.
His game is "hide the sausage".
If that's a 'long' game, I don't wanna know about it.
Dark Daze :"Be that as it may, it's obvious that there are many good people on both sides of this who have set the trap that the radical right wing has walked right into."
...funny thing is the dumb-ass Radical Left Wing is marching lockstep with them also...
hey... anyone seen or heard from Code Pink in the last few years?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
...crickets....