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The San Bernardino Massacre: Perceptions, Propaganda, And Blowback
Submitted by Justin Raimondo via AntiWar.com,
The reaction to the San Bernardino shooting in which 14 people were killed and several more wounded is a textbook case of confirmation bias. The first reactions came from the liberal wing of the Twittersphere, heavily represented by “mainstream” journalists, who immediately took the incident to be a classic “mass shooting” of the Sandy Hook-Columbine variety, and it didn’t take long for the finger-wagging to begin. At once pro-gun control and anti-religious, the meme went out into cyberspace: “thoughts and prayers” aren’t enough, we need to crack down on gun ownership in this country. The front page of the New York Daily News expressed the left-liberal party line: “GOD ISN’T FIXING THIS: As latest batch of innocent Americans are left lying in pools of blood, cowards who could truly end gun scourge continue to hide behind meaningless platitudes.”
As it turned out, however, the guns used by Syed Farook and Tashveen Malik, the two perpetrators, were bought legally – and their weaponry consisted of a lot more than mere guns. The editors of the Daily News didn’t wait for the facts because they didn’t care about the facts. They just wanted to make a point – one which turned out to be not only wrong but also completely beside the point.
In the same city, in the offices of a very similar – if ideologically opposite – tabloid, the editors of the New York Post were jumping the gun in an entirely different direction. As the ethnicity and religious affiliation of the attackers came out, they ran with a simple two-word headline: “MUSLIM KILLERS,” with a modifying qualifier: “Terror eyed as couple slaughters 14 in Calif.” As more information came out, however, the editors pulled back, and the final edition was quite different: “MURDER MISSION,” read the headline, with a neutral supplementary: “Shooters slaughter 14 in Calif.” These two editions were published hours after the incident, and only a few hours apart – a testament to the dangers of jumping to conclusions.
This reversal is explained by the subsequent release of yet more information about the perpetrators: Syed Farook worked at the San Bernardino Department of Public Health, which had rented a room at the facility where the massacre took place. The event was a holiday party, which Farook attended, but left early after a reported altercation of some kind. He returned with Malik, his wife, armed to the teeth, and the slaughter commenced.
These facts would appear to point in a different direction entirely from the scenario painted by the Post’s initial edition, and so the imagery conjured by the new headline went from that of the rampaging “Muslim Killers” to the “Murder Mission” of what appeared to be a case of workplace violence.
That’s what I thought around midnight last night, when I tweeted my tentative opinion that the workplace violence scenario seemed to be the most likely. My main reason was the nature of the target: why, I asked, would terrorists choose the Christmas party of the San Bernardino Public Health Department as the latest object of their wrath? In addition, reports of a dispute at the event involving Farook seemed to indicate that scenario: he got angry, came back, and started shooting. There were also reports of “turmoil” inside the department where he worked; several people had left amid rumors of disputes with management, and the fact that Farooq and his accomplice were targeting a very specific group of people – and not, say, a military facility, or even a soft target like a mall – seemed to corroborate this conclusion.
However, as more facts came out, this explanation began to make less sense. To begin with, a bomb – actually, three bombs taped together – had been left behind at the scene of the shooting. The bomb was linked to a device found in Farook’s rental car – rented three days prior – that was very similar to the jury-rigged remote-controlled IEDs recommended by al-Qaeda’s Inspire magazine, which detailed how to make an explosive device with readily available materials. We don’t yet know why the bomb failed to go off,.
Although reports that the couple came into the venue wearing body armor and Go-Pro body cameras turned out to be false, they were wearing “tactical” clothing, i.e. vests that enabled them to carry large amounts of ammunition. And indeed they were carrying huge amounts, enough to let them reload on the scene, and continue firing up to seventy-five rounds for over 30 seconds. This accounts for the large number of casualties.
Furthermore, the discovery of twelve “pipe-bomb type” devices, hundreds of tools for making more, and “thousands” of rounds of ammunition in the Redlands home rented by Farooq and his wife eliminates the workplace violence scenario. This was, in effect, a bomb-making factory, and neighbors indicate that a number of people were involved: packages were received throughout the day, and activity was observed into the night. One of these neighbors claims they were ready to contact law enforcement but hesitated to do so for fear of being accused of “racial profiling.” Both Farooq and his bride were of Pakistani extraction.
Two factors indicating that this was indeed a terrorist cell carrying out a pre-planned operation, and not a disgruntled employee intent on revenge against his co-workers, are plain enough: 1) The couple dropped off their child at a relative’s house the day before the attack, claiming to have a doctor’s appointment, and 2) The tactics utilized in the shooting of the victims and the gunfight with the police — which included throwing a fake pipe bomb out of their car as the cops pursued them – are evidence of some kind of military training. Such training could have occurred during Farooq’s trips to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
And we are beginning to hear evidence of international contacts with “more than one” terrorist suspect under surveillance by law enforcement. All that’s missing – as of this writing – is a claim of responsibility by some overseas terrorist outfit.
Yet questions remain: again, the target – a holiday party in a small city – hardly seems like the sort ISIS or al-Qaeda would zero in on. Clearly the couple were planning on a much larger operation, but this plan was changed by something that triggered Farooq to act sooner. And we still don’t have the whole picture: there could conceivably be some new information that could alter our whole perception of what motivated Farooq and Malik.
Which brings me to my point: our perception of the facts is shaped – and altered – by our preconceptions. In short, people believe what they want to believe – and the facts be damned. In this case, major media organizations didn’t wait for the facts to come in before they pronounced judgment. They simply rushed into print with what were little more than editorials, bereft of any responsibility to their readers or the truth.
This is why those who proclaim that bias is inherent in all journalism, and that there’s no such thing as objective reporting, are dangerously wrong. Yes, we’re all human; yes, everyone has opinions. But some people wait for the facts to come in before giving vent to those opinions, while others don’t bother with such niceties.
The reality, as I see it, and given what we know now, is this: San Bernardino was an act of terrorism that may or may not have been directed from overseas. The implications of that are very grave for those of us who oppose our crazed foreign policy of perpetual war, and the relentless assault on our civil liberties on the home front.
The pressure to “destroy them over there before they strike us over here” is going to increase a hundred-fold. The advocates of universal surveillance are going to be empowered as never before. That these tactics haven’t worked in the past – and, indeed, have backfired badly – won’t deter the usual suspects from insisting that war and repression are the answers to the problem of terrorism.
Our answer to the War Party must be that their strategy has failed: the terrorists couldn’t recruit anyone if we weren’t over there bombing what remains of their cities and seeking to impose our will on a populace that will never accept our domination, no matter how many soldiers we send and bombing sorties we launch.
As for the authoritarians who want to use incidents like the San Bernardino attack as a pretext to abolish the Constitution and institute a regime of total surveillance and outright repression: where was their vaunted surveillance system in this case? We didn’t detect this plot – and perhaps that’s because watching everyone, and collecting everyone’s information, blinds us to the real villains hiding in our midst. Then again, perhaps ferreting out villains isn’t the real purpose of government spying.
After the 9/11 attacks, the nation was swept by a wave of war hysteria, and concern for basic civil liberties went right out the window: we will doubtless experience a similar phenomenon in the days and months to come. Yet we are confident that when the history of our era is written, the advocates of peace and liberty will be vindicated, while the War Party will be discredited and disdained by future generations. We must live in the future, in a sense, in order to fight for the future – if there is to be one, that is.
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San Bernando is the shooting drill center of the country
http://youtu.be/cJRB96PX2TA
>>> SB : ISLAMIC TERRORISM
>>> SB : workplace violence
"Clearly the couple were planning on a much larger operation, but this plan was changed by something that triggered Farooq to act sooner. And we still don’t have the whole picture: there could conceivably be some new information that could alter our whole perception of what motivated Farooq and Malik."
Indeed. And yet somehow the FBI was quite happy to let the media spoil and evidence that remained in the terrorists' apartment.
We won't be seeing any "new" information, and something tells me whatever the FBI took out of the apartment is never going to see the light of day.
Reports so far said that Bammy's put a hold in their immigration records.
In the Middle East they call Obama "The Magician"
Here this Cat in Ferguson explains how ISIS was created in 1 minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AwAk5AHosw
The Phoenix has landed here at home.
Search for "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" by James Fetzer.
Study the work of Douglas Valentine, he's miles ahead of Fetzer and his sourcing is impeccable.
Doug's book on the Phoenix program is excellent and also hard to find, but it does not deal as directly with the matter at hand.
Understanding Phoenix is to understand that the same types of black ops happen here.
< The blowback is hitting America.
< Le merde frappe le ventilateur.
This is really putting the gun-grabbing left in a pickle. For the first time, they're being forced to admit open immigration and banning guns simple doesn't work when it comes to terrorists. Suddenly, it might not be such a bad idea for people to be able to protect themselves against a radical group that doesn't resepect gun control laws.
So the paradox is this: If it's clear that gun control does not make anyone safer from terrorists, how the fuck can they claim it is working against SSRI-consuming, bi-polar, mentally-ill liberal brats bent on killing people in theaters, schools, and colleges?
Reality is a bitch. Gun-grabbing politicians have prepped the sheep for slaughter by stripping them of their ability to defend themselves. Now that the wolves are here, let's hope the prey can adapt quickly.
This was an attack on Christians celebrating a Christian Holiday. It is not rocket science!
Expect many more of them between now and new years.
jb
"Nobody Died at Sandy Hook"
Created a comment: Sandy Hoax, where no one died at Breitbart and they straight up deleted the comment.
Obviously dissent is not allowed.
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That is exactly right Buck. And now we won't ever know what really went down with these two. Or was it three of them?
The MSM will accept the bullshit narrative the FBI gives them, and assclowns like Wolf Blitzer will have a field day inciting, supporting and defending moar hatred and violence in the US and around the world.
This is a fine, measured article with good analysis by Raimondo. Well played, ZH.
Sounds like there were more then three, right? All that bomb-making stuff had to be a group effort.
Oh yeah, and tell me again how their parents and friends had no clue even though they had to tip-toe over pipe bombs and AKs to get to the child's crib.
Plus, suddenly no one at their mosque knows them? Yeah, right.
Sad all these innocent people were cold-blooded murdered and the MSM and Barry do their best to keep it out of the headline news. Also, MSM barely mentioned the Paris slaughter anymore.
Smells fishy.
Absolutely, this was a crime precipitated by something passionate and personal not planned or he would not have attended the event, left and then returned armed. I think we can safely assume someone suggesting the showing of Piss Christ at a local museum was not the cause of the outrage.
Miffed
Or, not. Maybe they felt (rightly or wrongly) that someone was on to them and they needed to act before they got caught.
Or maybe they were told by their handlers to act prematurely, for some reason.
Or...something else.
The point is, this investigation looks like it is being deliberately dead-ended, and we'll never know.
if the purpose of the news and the news
cycle, the war for the attention, hearts and minds
of the public, was to misdirect and prevent the
public from learning what was actually significant
and currently developing in the world,
it all makes sense, even the "odd" timing.
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NOT for the immature! ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq0_n7ZBX_c
Note to self:
If a Muslim becomes angry and leaves the party, arm and position yourself, or go home with alacrity.
Hekko Buckaroo, false or real is inconsequental, this was an attack on you, either directly or through the herd, it dosen't matter what you, as an individual, thinks, it is how it moves the herd that matters, this is a tool for the social engineers, the public relations people to adjust the herds attitudes, I don't say it was a false flag, whatever that is, it riles the herd and that is what it is used for!
...whatever the FBI took out of the apartment is never going to see the light of day.
EDIT: how about, 'whatever the FBI PUT INTO the apartment (before the media showed up) is never going to see the light of day."
If all the stuff left behind to be spoiled was carefully looked at and deemed insignificant by the experts, who's to say some new evidence couldn't come to light that would make it significant?
There is no way on earth I'll ever believe that's how things should be done in something this big. It makes absolutely no sense.
The fact that the picture of the female suspect was never shown till her drivers liscense is found in the apartment left for all the world by the fbi. How convenient. I even noticed them myself last night when BBC was showing journalist inside the apartment and wondered why something like that was not taken as evidence.
Reminded me back to the Sharon Tate killings and a found pair of eyeglasses. Newsweek and Time magazines at the time had a field day with that story.
http://www.cielodrive.com/archive/pair-of-glasses-gives-police-solid-clue-in-tate-murders/
Sharon Tate wasnt murdererd.
If you look at the photos she is in an awkard position. It was stagged for the masses.
She was an ACTRESS.
She didn't die then. Who knows, she is probably a politician or something now.
All I know is those murders were stagged, as was john lennond.
what changed was that their government handler double crossed them and notified the police with their details so they would be killed before turning into a liability.
"what changed was that their government handler double crossed them and notified the police with their details so they would be killed before turning into a liability.
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This part. Cops are now actively behind these false flag attacks.
This is a very dangerous situation the public is in.
Oh come on! We need an excuse to justify sending more special forces boots on the ground into wherever in the Middle East.
Hey! I got an idea! Let's go bomb Syria. Or wherever! Yeah, wherever is good! They're Muzzies!
There are still some Libyans alive, maybe finish them off first ?
They are mostly in hospitals,so practice makes perfect.
Shouldn't have sold them that box of used pinball machine parts...
Exactly, Knuks. For the life of me, I don't understand how people don't smell the stench of false flag all over this. Just think of how this benefits the statists in every possible way.
All this is just more ZioNazi Scripted BULLSHIT!
Sandy Hook Shooting A TOTAL Hoax
James Fetzer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUDqRJK9Vd8
S.S.D.D. !
How to tell a false flag from a real attack:
(1) You know its a false flag when the media and the politicians are well organized and on the scene within hours, all singing in harmony off the same sheet of music.
(2) You know its a false flag when pre-organized "grass roots" local support for The Narrative appears almost instantaneously.
(3) You know its a false flag when evidence and crime scenes are strictly controlled, and neither the public nor the media is allowed access to any evidence or crime scenes until they are sanitized or destroyed.
All of the above applied to Sandy Hook or the Colorado movie theater shootings.
None of the above are in effect in San Bernardino. Media and the White House were taken by surprise, couldn't get their act together on which angle of The Narrative they were supposed to be promoting, no "grass roots" local organizations have materialized to promote whichever Approved Point of The Narrative they are promoting, and the crime scene was exposed to the media allowing it to be spoiled.
What they are trying to do here is obfuscate a real crime, and make sure the investigation doesn't go anywhere, and that this whole thing disappears down the Memory Hole as quickly as possible. There is no aspect of The Narrative that this crime can be used to promote, therefore, it must be made to go away.
Reminds me a little of TWA flt 800
While I agree with the majority of your statement BB, I beg to differ with the last sentence.
I have both liberal (gun control) and conservative(fuck muslims and immigration) aquaintences. Both are quiet satisfied using this event to wag gums in support of their team's agenda.
This shooting is being played by both sides like a fiddle.
Not disagreeing with your particular point, however, my point was that it was obvious that the media and the White House were caught with their pants down on this one, which means that they obviously didn't organize it in advance. And, they will have a tough time making sure this crisis "doesn't go to waste" because there are so many Narrative points that conflict here: the "Religion of Peace" narrative doesn't fit well with the "Sensible gun control" narrative in this instance, neither does the "rigorous vetting" narrative work given that the female Jihadist got into the country completely unhindered. All their narratives are working at cross-purposes here; therefore, the whole thing must be discarded.
I'm not so sure, I think the agenda of the media and white house was done with full intent, they want more gun control. So, they responded as such.
Remember the embassy attack was because of a video at first. Ask someone on the street to today, if they even remember the attack, why it happened.
I have a little theory about the media and their first reports. I believe they know most people will hold onto to the first thing they hear. Over and over it was repeated work place shooting and guns caused the problem....
Also, what happened in the so called planned parenthood shooting. Didn't the shooting start near the clinic, but he went in afterwards? Not sure, but did he actually say something about baby body parts or was that just what one person heard. I just dont know.
The first print is the one that lasts.
Of course they want more gun control, but they are having a really hard time selling that Narrative in this instance. They will obviously try to work that angle but it isn't very profitable trying to sell gun control to a population that is under attack by well-armed, well-organized infiltrators.
Sandy Hook was a perfect (obviously too perfect) way to pitch gun control: Evil Gunz caused poor Adam Lanza to go insane and KILL KIDS!!! You can sell that to your average Bob and Caroline Swippleton.
But Bob Swippleton has a harder time accepting that "EVIL GUNZ" are the problem when violent Islamic jihadists are infiltrating the country. In fact, Bob might actually start listening when the Fascist Right Wingers tell him that maybe a gun might be a handy thing to have when the Local Jihadist shoots up HIS Christmas party.
That's called "losing control of the narrative".
Most of the selling to the sheeple was in the first 24hrs. Not people who question things. I was flabbergasted on how hard they were trying to tell the public it was a work place shooting and the for length of time they were doing it. I knew once they mentioned multiple shooters in camo it was not a work place shooting, but they kept desperately trying to make it such despite all the facts. In the meantime, news websites starting listing all the mass shootings, the gun problems and on and on......
This will be remembered as a terror attack by most, but they implanted that guns are the problem.
But the "selling" you do in the first 24 hours has to be consistent with the story you are selling the next day, the next week, and the next month.
Sandy Hook is a perfect example: Almost immediately we learned that this heinous crime was perpetrated by a deranged young man who LOVED GUNZ and used them to KILL KIDS! And then that story was reinforced immediately by the White House, the press, and local grass roots anti-gun groups with cute little green and white ribbons that materialized suddenly out of nowhere. And we get that jammed down our throats for the next 3 months.
In this case, all the media and political messages have been confused-- first it was white domestic terrorists at a local planned parenthood, then it was white domestic terrorists in a building with a planned parenthood in it, then it was white domestic terrorists randomly shooting up an office, then it was white domestic terrorists shooting up a "holiday party"...then eventually it comes out that these white domestic terrorists have funny middle-eastern names... but despite the middle-eastern names they are just disgruntled former employees...then finally, 24 hours later it turns out they are Islamic Jihadists shooting up a Christmas party.
That is a giant bag of badly disorganized Narrative Fail.
"But the "selling" you do in the first 24 hours has to be consistent with the story you are selling the next day, the next week, and the next month"
They don't care about next week, or even a few days. The public is focused on other things. People are too busy getting there trees and holiday gifts. Now there even more afraid of guns.
What better excuse to remove all weapons since we can't tell good from bad. It doesn't make sense to me, but I bet someone will try this one. Nationwide ban on clip weapons.. Track ammo purchases... There gonna try something, you can bet on that. Never let a crisis go to waste.
The gun problem has been implanted in the conscious and subconscious. Video of horror and words of work place shooting have been implanted.
My last comment is,
Richard Jule
bada boom said:--
Agreed. That's how it's played in Australia, where there's a certain smugness -- thinly cloaking the usual anti-Americanism many Aussies have -- about how "effective" (hah!) Aussie gun buybacks were. The media "analysis" (hah!!) here in Oz, of the San Bernadino killings, focussed 70-80% on the gun control angle, e.g. how did the killers amass so many guns, so much ammo, etc. I tried to point out to the buffoon radio announcer at one of the radio stations I listen to that NO ONE talked about HOW the Paris killers managed to obtain automatic kalashnikovs, ammo and bombs in a highly gun regulated Europe but his "mind" (hah!) was made up. There's a name psychologists have for this syndrome: where we latch onto whatever suits our theories but conveniently ignore contrary evidence. It's called CONFIRMATION BIAS. This is a classic example.
Of course, the other syndrome at play here is the: all this mayhem is too much for people used to peace, tranquility, and order. They immediately grasp at any quick-fix "solution" (hah!!) no matter how draconian...ANYTHING!...State Save Me! If you disagree with people like this then you labelled with the "if you're not part of the (their version of) solution then you're part of the problem" tag.
Understood. Thanks for the reply.
Add: Innocents are targeted as opposed to policy making elites.
easier targets
This guy gave testimony and a confession on Gladio in an Italian court that the target was innocents in these Deep State operations, because the point is to move the popular opinion, not "easy targets."
seems to apply to 9/11 as well, Buck.
The term flase flag is being way over used. You can have:
1) Government agents pretending to be the "enemy" carrying out an attack
2) Government agents carry out an attack and then frame a patsy, preferably a dead one, brought along for the purpose
3) Government agents provoking and stage managing a stooge into carrying out an attack
4) Government agents monitoring actual bad guys planning an attack, and work to assist them by running interference with honest investigators, or even providing actual help
5) Government agents become aware of a real attack, stand back watching, and allow it to happen
6) Government agents become aware of a real attack, stand back watching, waiting to swoop in at the nick of time for a headline making/policy influencing arrest
7) Government agents become aware of the possibility of a real attack, but don't believe it or follow up fast enough to stop it from happening
8) A bona fide attack conducted by actual bad guys where government agents were caught completely unawares
In reference to your comment, is the interesting common thread. In every case the government has every motivation to LIE. From covering up their involvement, to simply hiding their incompetence and protecting their jobs, the government doesn't seem to have any incentive to tell the truth. So, by default, the public is left with studying the quality of the lying to determine the level preparation and cooperation that had been put into the bs they are trying to sell.
My money is on #3. Wind up a couple of known radicals. Arrange for their public execution to make sure your involvement is buried with them. Reported shooter #3 goes down the memory hole. Much like the disappearing giffords shooters friend, the extra Sihk temple shooters, or the sandy hook mystery man in the woods
Apparently, it was not a "mass shooting of the Sandy Hook variety." It does not appear to be a gigantic hoax.
Why We Should Fear Zionism More Than Islam
http://www.rense.com/general77/zovislam.htm
Can't we agree that both are deadly threats?
Can we agree that it is both unethical and illogical to blame every member of a group for what a minority of those groups do?
{didnt junk ya}
<--- Mass murder
<--- Mass murder exploited by US govt for political ends
The gun grab agenda must be implemented in full before 'Uncle Tom's' departure......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/road-to-ww3-time-to...
Why was this drivel published? Go-Pro cameras and attacking at a Christmas party? Seems obvious this was for propaganda purposes. Why this one? Pretty damn early if you ask me, early enough to get it on tape and then distributed and strike fear in the heart of Americans, and yet rally other radical muslims.
Doesn't seem that complicated. Would be particulary interesting if the coward piece of shit also helped plan the party and pick the date and setting.
Christmas party?
It was an early winter festival.
No UN Agenda 2030, 666 christian apocalypse, or 72 virgins reward in the way to Allah is needed for WW.
Demographics and continuous growth in a finite planet will do the job better than any conspiracy or dogma.
Abusing and misusing the word conspiracy dismisses you as a serious person.
Federal "Vetting" of 100,000 Syrians to remove "terrorists"...
Let's do the math:
5.0% slip through = 5000 more San Bernardino's
0.01 slip through = 1000 more San Bernardino's
0.001 slip through = 100 more San Bernardino's
0.0001 slip through = 10 more San Bernardino's
0.00001 slip through = 1 more San Bernardino
0.00 slip through = NO more San Bernardino's
If you are "pro" bringing refugees from this region to the USA, please tell us your expected, and acceptable, "slip through" rate.
Weaponsman has some insights for you.
"Well, back in SFQC, and again in the SF Operations and Intelligence Course, we were taught to expect one in ten refugees to be either:
Of these, the Number 1s are the least common and the Number 3s the most. But these numbers are drawn from experience with war zone refugees, for example, like the Vietnamese who fled the PAVN mass murders in Hue in the Tet Offensive. War Zone refugees are a negative image of this current group — in beautiful downtown Bulletsville, your refugees are women, kids, and old men, mostly, with scarcely a military-age man among them. On a group that skewed demographically youthful and male, you’d expect a higher percentage to be active enemies. So let’s set 15% as our upper bound for folks that are starting out hostile. This is a conservative figure, because many of those fleeing ISIL are fleeing because they’re members of other, defeated, violent groups."
http://weaponsman.com/?p=26087
Figuring that maybe a third of those 15% are actual fighters, that puts us at 5,000 more San Bernardinos.
Time to buy more ammo!
Exactly! Syrain refugees are young men...so a .00001 "slip through" is a fantasy...even if 100% are not terrorists; we still destroyed thier country and thier lives...they may resent that at some point in the future...I sure would.
Farook had a good job and plenty of money/things...imagine the attitude all these Syrians after a 1 year of cleaning our toilets and other "jobs Americans won't do"...that newly arrived POOR and UNSKILLED immigrants typically do.
Well, the only problem with your argument is that they won't be cleaning toilets. Instead they'll be collecting welfare, food stamps, and disability payments.
At least that's what the statistics suggest.
That's even worse. They will have plenty of time on their hands to become disaffected with their new life and plot destruction.
Either way..
Islam is a Foreign Religion.
Islamics of any stripe are foreigners.
They do not belong on the North American and European Continents. Whatever guest privileges they may have been granted are now moot. We cannot live in peace with them.
Flatten every mosque, physically remove every Islamic sympathizer, and the risk of jihad on our soil drops to 0.
Remove them.
No need to do any math. The slip through rate is 100% because they have friends in high places ensuring that just who they want gets through. What do you think will happen once the complicit government officials, supporting corporations and higher ranking terrorists are done sneaking 100's of thousands of lower ranking terrorists into countries on things like cargo planes to the US or by truck into the EU and then supplying them with arms ammunition, explosives etc?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNvm99U40SI
There are videos like this in the EU with 100's of "refugees", all males 20's-30's, pouring out of the back of transport trucks at night. Meaning someones paying to haul them in and can get them past borders and checkpoints. Which means there are corporations supplying the trucks cooperating with governments to make this happen. Which also means there are government workers collaborating, coordinating or running everything to get them past these points. And of course someone is paying for it all.
The US & EU will end up just like Syria, Libya etc. in the not too distant future. The disarmed EU will be a blood bath. At least the Americans can buy guns to defend themselves.
All your math goes out of the window if you consider ISIS is the CIA creation.
As if even the CIA could control a million man army of 7th Century Savages.
No- Islam will do as Islam commands, until it and them are physically removed from our lands forever.
Exactly...wake up people, we are all slaves to the criminal elites...and the media/hollywood is their propaganda wing. At least the North Koreans know the news is only propaganda, dumb Americans still think there is journalism/freedom.
They were wearing masks and tactical gear that covered their entire bodies. How the fuck did she "know" they were white guys?
I don't believe a fucking thing I hear on CBS. Scott Pelley is a grade-A cunt.
"How the fuck did she "know" they were white guys?"
3 shooters, not 2.
The shooters were probably quite large. Think football players not a middle eastern man and wife.
"The shooters were probably quite large."
LOL, now we are speculating on what this mysterious eyewitness actually meant when she allegedly spoke to that beacon of credibility, Scott Pelley?
And if she lied about them being white, why wouldn't she lie about there being three, and not two?
Eyewitness accounts are often innacurate.
True enough. Who is the woman. Why didn't Pelley believe her? Why is it that some things simply drop from the narrative without explanation. As in Sandy Hook, there should have been an explanation for the guy they arrested in the woods and held in custody. There should have been an explanation for the police radio saying there are two of them coming at us.
Correct. Multiple eyewitnesses very shortly after the shooting described THREE men in black tactical clothing carrying military-style rifles getting out and then leaving in a dark SUV at the site of the shooting. Sure, eyewitnesses can be wrong about many things, but corroborated eyewitnesses all able to count to three are not easy to argue against. Here's a YTT VT of CBSN Live (0:40) clearly describing three men witnessed across the street from the Inland Regional Centre during the shooting.
The police say they were able to target Sayeed Farooq from another eyewitness at the party who positively identified him as the shooter even though he was wearing a balaclava. If my own brother shot at me wearing tactical gear and balaclava, I'm not sure I would ever recognize him, but that's the narrative for their successful and speedy apprehension.
True or False?
People have a tendency to project themselves onto others, so what worries me about this incident is how easily so many people can believe this story to be credible. I think you have to be a sick nut to believe mass murder is so easily done. I suppose should just accept the "another muslim nut" narrative and go with the herd, after all, it is possible. But none of this fits the sanity test. ISIS is a US/Israeli intelligence construct. Young, fairly successful married couples with a new infant don't usually go on bombing/shooting sprees.
This is conjecture but I think it is much more likely that they were recent recruits to a government agency eager to prove their allegiance and help their country for their daughter's future. Then set up to die. Whatever the truth, we all know that this will be the driver for more hate, more wars, more mass murders, more government powers and far less freedom than the little freedom we have now. Isn't it odd that every terror incident strengthens the MIC, the banks that fund them, the intelligence agencies, the politicians and Israel? Who truly benefits? I reject them all. I refuse to hate and be cowered by hysteria. It certainly distracted the public from the biggest story of the year on NATO member Turkey's funding of ISIS oil industry presented by Russia with overwhelming proof over the last few days.
"Yet questions remain: again, the target – a holiday party in a small city"
Seriously? EVERYONE at some point in their lives (slaving for Government or Corporate America) fantasizes about "taking down" their place of employment...the only thing that stops them is their sanity...these two were religious nutjobs...they chose the "holiday party" full of co-workers because it was the most "satisfying" to their mental fantasies.
Smells fishy, eh.
"Kill my Boss?! Do I dare live out the American Dream?" -- Homer Simpson
Cry wolf?
The Post cover is a knock-off of the famous Kent State National Guard murder spree photo. On purpose?
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
BALTIMORE EVENING SUN..........."ALL TITANIC PASSENGERS SAFE; TRANSFERRED TO LIFEBOATS AT SEA".............LOL
What happened to the third shooter??
'What happened to the third shooter??'
He went back to base for a debrief!
And they say you're just a spammer...
"What happened to the third shooter??"
Stopping getting the "facts" from the Media; there was never a 3rd shooter.
I listened to the police scanners while this was going down. They chased the car before stopping it and when they stopped it, someone ran away from the scene...what would you do if you were walking down the street, a car crashes into an armored vehicle and full automatic weapons pop out of a turrit?
There were two "DARK SKINNED" shooters...press got it all wrong and refused to mention the skin color..even though the cops said it repeatedly over the scanner..don't tell me the press doesn't own a scanner.
And while I listened LIVE to the cops sealing off the area to begin the search for the person than ran from the car crash, the "press" reported that "One suspect was dead and two others were in custody"...only 33% correct...what a joke!
And thats why after my first press interview, long ,long ago,I hired a PR person who
only released written statements.
Everything I told the reporters verbally was so distorted that I think they interviewed someone else.
Yep. I have been interviewed exactly once by a "reporter". Everything I said was taken out of context and distorted to serve their "story".
At least I learned young!
Even the sports reporters do it.They just cannot resist twisting any story to their agenda.
i got really good at finding back exits to places that didn't have any.
Trust or competence are not something found in journalism today.
Multiple citations of primary sources like police scanners should be the norm and should be readily available to the masses. Look to TPTB to have that last leak closed so that the narrative will be theirs to completely corrupt, dribble and spin.
Grass roots journalism is the last frontier of liberty protection.
What time was this and which agencies scanners were you listening to?
Initial reports came to my security company from their scanner was a BOLO for 3 armed white males in camoflauge. This was at 11:30am at which time the "black SUV" wasn't suspect but a person of interest as ONE individual was seen getting into the SUV and driving off as everyone else did who fled.
This is what doesn't make sense to many people down here, even up to the hourly press updates it was still for 3 armed suspects.
I was not listening before the car chase....at the time of the chase, the suspects were 2 "dark skinned" individuals with a 3rd "person" running away from the scene of the stop.
At 6PM CT, the major networks cut to the local networks and final statement from one of Networks (I think it was NBC) was "1 individual dead in the car, 2 suspects in custody"...only 33% correct.
what happened to the third person in custody,
was it the baby with a box of diapers?
He/she will be found shortly on a grainy airport CCTV camera travelling to Syria via Turkey.
Anyone disgusted with the conduct (or lack of it) by the press should research the Linbergh kidnapping.
There were laws passed to control the press after that.
Just a FYI . Was at centerfire system lines was out the door. Buds has thier " because of high demand ------" on the site
"the terrorists couldn’t recruit anyone if we weren’t over there bombing what remains of their cities and seeking to impose our will on a populace that will never accept our domination" What cities again were we bombing before 9/11? This is false.
Multiculturalism creates terrorism in almost all cases. Any time you take 2 groups of people who are completely different from how they look to culture you are going to get terrorism.
Nazi's vs. Jews
KKK vs. blacks (Black Panthers vs whites)
Muslims vs. everyone (infidels) AND Shia vs. Sunni
Christian fanatics vs planned parenthood
I mean I can go on and on and on and on. If you want Multicultralism you also have to be willing to accept terrorism. It's just how life is. Multiculturalism is the fountain of eternal life for terrorism.
You don't see a lot of terrorism in China. Why? Because everyone pretty much looks the same, believes in the same or similar shit, and all share culture and history. Little to no terrorism. In America terrorism all over the damn place.
It's hard for people that look different to live with each other..."Look Different" + "Different Religions"...FORGET ABOUT IT!
Why no Mexican terrorists? Because they blend in religiously; so all we have to deal with is skin color which we've softened a ton on..but not Religion..FUCK NO...if you think my God isn't the true God; I'm gonna take your ass out, with Gods' backing, to prove you wrong.
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pasca
[One never does evil so fully and gaily, as when one does it through a "false principle of conscience."]
Jamais on ne fait le mal ?i pleinement & ?i gayement, que quand on le fait par un faux principe de con?cience
http://www.samizdat.qc.ca/arts/lit/Pascal/Pensees_1671_ancien.pdf
You know what they say about internet quotes ;)
sidenote: I like your version better
Well azs long as they're a religion of Peace I'm Cool...
The other side's view of us bombing 4 million civilians and destroying cities that took decades to build also equals terrorism. If we bomb mexico for say 20 years nonstop and destory their cities, schools, churches, then they probably get a few nutcases to come up and do the same here. fwiw, according to FBI stats, there was 354 deaths as a result of 294 active shooter incidents in 2015. And, only the San Bernardino got this much attention. Why do you think that is?
>>>What cities again were we bombing before 9/11? This is false.
Techically, it's sort of false, unless you include Gulf War I (rescuing plucky little Kuwait). But, as you know, the USA has been meddling directly in Middle East Affaris for many decades, and the USA's indispensable ally, plucky little Israel, has been bombing, bulldozing, shooting and waterboarding Arabs off and on for several generations.
FWIW, the distinction beteen the USA and Israel in the minds of Muslims, and US Congressvermin, is not much more than a shade of gray.
Look, Islam has been at war with the Non-Islamic World since its founding. Recent aggression on behalf of the ZOG doesn't change that historical fact.
And, Judaism has been kicked out of over 100 European countries over the same timeline.
It's not us, it's them. These foreign religions and their tribal blood feuds have no place in Western Civilization. They bring us nothing but poverty, usury, misery, treachery, and murder.
So remove them. Send them back to their desert sandbox to fuck each other over for as long as they both shall live. Remove all supports and interference. The sooner they are expelled, the better off we shall be. In the end, whether Islam or Judaism survives is immaterial to the advance of my people and my civilization.
and if they won't stay there..
Exterminate them. 100 Megatons for Mecca, 100 Megatons for Tel Aviv. Show them the face of God.
It's quicker to list the countries the US does not have bases in than the opposite. The US has supported the wrong regimes and overthrown democratically-elected governments since WWII so many times that it wouldn't necessarily require us to be bombing any cities before 9/11 for there to be plenty of blowback, all the time.
This will seem like a ridiculous example to many of you, but exactly what right did the US have to takeover the sovereign kingdom of Hawaii? A lot of time has transpired since then, but there are still some who resent the actions of the US, basically saying that the US took over Hawaii because it could.
Well, clandestine CIA activities in Iran and Syria in the 1950's certainly did not improve the relationship between the citizens of the US and the citizens of those countries. There are too many incidents to list here.
ZH has gone MSM so I won't waste my time reading this article; yesterday a neighbor and I were discussing this "incident", and the others, and agreed that we are "safe" in Texas. Pretty much everybody in Texas is well-armed, "Come and take it" with a graphic of a cannon is a very popular bumpersticker.
Phenomenal that the USG spies on us as extensively as they do and didn't know of this event. Seriously??? That is additional proof they spy on us to see if anyone is noticing their planned false flag events. How convenient they executed this one in time to distract the attention from NATO supporting their terrorists in Syria.
Get the US out of Texas. And everywhere else on our planet.
A reposted op-ed written by Justin Raimondo at antiwar.com is somehow MSM?
If you're not going to read the articles, then who gives a fuck about your posts on the subject?
Hi Catullus,
Since you took the time to reply to my post obviously you "gives a fuck about your posts on the subject".
First of all, realize just because it is posted on the i-net doesn't mean it is true.
ZH is less than one of the many sites I peruse for news, so if this, or any, "story", appears on other more reliable news sites and blogs (anti-war.com is not necessarily one of them) then I'll read it for sure. If/when you become more informed, you will see that ZH changed when Tyler sold out. Meantime, I'm just being sociable, and since you react like most electronically-integrated USSA humanoids you obviously don't understand that. You, and the others who downvoted my comment and upvoted yours, just know how to attack others that don't conform to YOUR beliefs, you haven't developed the intelligence and/or ability to share information to educate me to see things your way.
'our perception of the facts is shaped – and altered – by our preconceptions. In short, people believe what they want to believe – and the facts be damned.'
UC biology prof. tells class NRA to blame for San Bernardino shooting
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/23/confirmation-bias/
The Misconception: Your opinions are the result of years of rational, objective analysis.
The Truth: Your opinions are the result of years of paying attention to information which confirmed what you believed while ignoring information which challenged your preconceived notions.
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/
The Misconception: When your beliefs are challenged with facts, you alter your opinions and incorporate the new information into your thinking.
The Truth: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.
My friend and his wife went to a Christmas Party last night and had a great time. This morning I asked; "Were you carrying?" "Damned right and there were a lot of others carrying too." The only thing that bothers me about a lot of people carrying is that when the shooter shows up, there will be a lot of collateral damage because hardly any of them practice tactical draw-aim-shoot.
Friend and I practice every couple weeks and we are getting better about how to handle various situations. Just remember: "Nobody gets hurt for a property crime." So if somebody rips off a TV or your car, have them smile and take their picture. But if they have a weapon and threaten you, take them down. Also, a gun in your car might as well be home in the safe if you really need it. Keep everything legal and above board, get your Conceiled Carry Permit and practice often. It's a lot of fun, really, and like a parachute, if you ever need it, you really need it bad.
that's the rub, isn't it? it is the only reason i hesitate a little on the gun control issue. i used to hunt 30 years ago. i started out with bb guns to single shot 22s to plinkuing cans in the river to blasting ducks out of the sky to many fruitless deer and other assorted game hunts(and a few fruitful ones) and i used to carry illegally when i was in the cab business. i haven't shot a gun but 2 or three times in the last thirty years. i wouldn't trust myself with a gun unless i could devote the time to practice, especially now that i am conceding to my slower reflexes, eyesight and brain. i know a lot of the people with guns don't use them often enough to use them even close to properly, let alone in an emergency.
This will attract mucho down-votes, but there is in fact something to be said for requiring firearm training if you're going to carry outside the home.
FWIW I've done multiple days of handgun, rifle and shotgun training, and the average civvie really need to do this, and more than once.
It shouldn't bother you in the least, since shooters are generally smart enough to avoid places where they might get an armed response. I can't think of a single recent 'mass' shooting that took place outside of a 'gun free' zone (maybe the Giffords shotting? That was a specific hit, not a 'kill anyone I can' situation).
Also, can we stop calling it 'mass killing' when the number of victims is in the tens? 10 deaths is ten tragedies, but mass murder is something orders of magnitude worse - and usually requires vast resources to be brought to bear, and is usually undertaken at the behest of a political class. Dresden, Auschwitz, Hiroshima, Katyn, Sabra/Shatila, Fallujah, the Highway of Death, 9/11 ... those were 'mass killings'. 20 victims is terrible, but journalistic ZOMFG seems designed to sensationalise things and to magnify perceived risk (when the risk of dying in a 'mass' shooting is millions to one).
It was obviously another government hoax!!!!! There is no such thing as media or journalism, ONLY PROPAGANDA. CRISIS ACTORS!!! Duh, we are seeing this on a global scale...welcome to the new worldwide police state. We are all slaves now.
Here are my humble perceptions on this BS.
http://youtu.be/UoLET1g-1Zk
http://youtu.be/8l444wlmUHU
http://nodisinfo.com/51877-2/
Draw your own conclusions.
Is that you PK?
The article was good until it got to:
"the terrorists couldn’t recruit anyone if we weren’t over there bombing what remains of their cities and seeking to impose our will on a populace that will never accept our domination, no matter how many soldiers we send and bombing sorties we launch."
Nonsense! We need the Bolshevik solution. Send Seal teams 6, 7, 8, & 9 to take the entire house of Saud to chop/chop square and run the guillotines until, like the Romanov's, there can never be an heir to the house of Saud. Be sure to include all the Wahhabists who are root cause of terrorism in the world.
Read what a Lebanese professor describes:
http://www.politico.eu/article/wahhabi-religious-nationalism-turns-ugly-...
Additionally, Nassim Taleb (of Black Swan fame)addresses the faulty logic in the above quote:
http://www.politico.eu/article/the-saudi-wahhabis-are-the-real-foe-islam...
The actions of the War Party are to blame for the chaos is the ME, but the Saudi's spending $500M a year on madrassas to teach jihad and give countless more to the CIA to prop up ISIS so the Qatar pipeline can be built.
Politico usually doesn't have much, but these two articles nail the cause of terrorism.
the problem with that analysis is the ultimate financier of the wahabis has always been people like the handholding, snuggling and kissing bushes to the nutandyahoos on the med nexus. the saudis and turks are just convenient scapegoats and will be rewarded for their efforts.
>>>Additionally, Nassim Taleb (of Black Swan fame)addresses the faulty logic in the above quote:
http://www.politico.eu/article/the-saudi-wahhabis-are-the-real-foe-islam...
Thanks for posting. Good video (scroll down into the comments section) at the Taleb link.
Maybe if we're lucky it'll be a Salman the Younger vs Nayef Saudi Civil war after King Salman kicks the bucket...that would be fun to watch the US government pick sides in that one.
The purpose of surveillance is control.
Apparently, the Inland Regional Center must be the only government facility in the US with out cameras monitoring everything!
And of course, being a government facility the Gun Free Zone didn't seem to faze the supposed culprits.
Someone told me that San Bernadino is lawless. After the housing bubble crash they just gave up on that area and walked away.
The Islamic Terror is controlled by the Synagogue since the Islam was created. The first islamic Terrorist -Mohammed- on this planet converted to jewish faith, before he get the Quran by the jewish Rabbi of Mekka. http://www.synagoguerising.com/
But they WERE muslim KILLERS....
in the same realm off topic. boston globe prints 9/11 truth letter to the editor. it trends higher than san bernadino and the red sox recent moves.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/letters/2015/12/04/evidence-still-ra...
FYI, the party was not actually a "holiday" party, it was a twice-a-year event where "awards were given to employees with the county's public-health department for accomplishments, such as years of service and being chosen as employee of the month", according to San Bernardino County health inspector Chris Nwadike. (Wall Street Journal)
Also, the reports from "neighbors" who indicated suspicious activity actually came a guy named Aaron Elswick, who reported what he heard another neighbor say, but apparently did not see it himself. Who is this guy? Shouldn't the report be coming from somebody who was an actual witness?
As for what can be achieved from this, I would expect a call for more monitoring of citizens, especially their internet activities. Thats what makes me think this could be a false flag, more than anything else. The fact that we stand to lose more of our privacy as a result of it.
Syed was pissed because he didn't get the toilet inspector of the year award.
Relax people, this is just another episode of the new weekly reality TV series called "Active Shooter Drill Gone Live."
It's all propganda at this point, there is nothing left but yellow journalism, this writer seems to think we don't know this? Amazing...preconceptions, nah, I don't subscribe to that bullshit, he may though.
Who are the real shooters?
Two Muslims, any more questions?
You are a monkey, sir.
Why thanks Captain Obvious!
David S. Chesley Inc
That guy must be posting here
There are a lot of intelligent thinkers across the United States. Washington D.C. has become a center of intellectual dysfunction and destructive story telling. The United States capitol should be moved west to a neutral mountain state for a decade or two. Only newcomers need apply for jobs.
The United States capital should not be moved, but nuked.
Sadly, dozens of innocent lives might be lost.
The mind grapples to understand. The problem is that all species share the universal urge to survive. But not Islamic extremists. Their death wish embraces as many innocents as they bring along. The mind fails to understand, hence we look for causes, make apologies and attribute blame. Israel has been the victim for decades yet attracts the balme. Because we can't understand Islamic extremitism.
you are wearing me out, dane. kill all jews! there. are you happy now?
Islam is the last true God worshiping religion.
You can't understand it because real faith is not part of you.
They truly believe.
Does this guy look familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyqBxD-3xw
It is a mashup of both workplace violence and Jihad:
So I have been planning for a while to blow up and shoot up some shit in the name of my religion. My wife/hubby digs it and is in on it too. By day I work a job I can barely stand with a bunch of insulting infidels. But I do it to make money to make more jihad. I go home to hubby/wifey and spill my guts about how much I hate those fuckers as we build more bombs. My partner says "Don't worry baby, they'll get theirs, Allah don't play." I do this day in and day out for months. I love my partner, I live for the day when we will strike and show everyone what's really what.
I go to the fucking Christmas Allah damned party. I listen to more stupid shit about Muslims. I can't stand it. I leave. I go home. I say, "Honey, can we just do this shit? I think Allah is talking to me, telling us to get our jihad on." My baby loves me and has my back. He/she says,"Why not? Mom has the baby anyway, we were going to be working on the bombs so we always put the baby with mom when we do that. The baby is safe, my hubby/wife has his jihad on so why not?"
We grab our gear, pack the car, and go. Natural Born Killers never had it so good, Mickey and Mallory were never so spiritually pure as us! What a fuckin' rush.
As we go in with our rifles blazing, the adrenaline is high, I have never been so alive. THIS IS MY DESTINY. Fuck these infidels. Allah will be pleased. I hate this country, this job, these people. This is the right thing to do.
So far in 2015 we've had 354 deaths from 294 active shooter incidents according to FBI stats. yet, this one is getting 24/7 attention for daaaaays now cause it involved brown folks. The number of americans now wanting to expand war with boots on the gound in the ME has gone up to 67%. Imagine if we had 24/7 media attention about the other 340 deaths. No one would go outside with their 'I'm next' fear overload.
Uh yeah, didn't we debunk this already here on ZH? Apparently, drug-related drive-by shootings and liquor store robberies gone horribly wrong now qualify as "active shooter incidents".
So, your premise is kinda bullshit.
Nailed it !!
Re: mashup
Considering the farook narrative is true, then I'd agree completely (see my post below about his workplace issue).
What bothers me is for so long before the muslim connection was made (or put in place) we were all on the lookout for 3 white individuals in military gear. I'm being accused of following a media that didn't want to put the actual color of the shooters out there for PC reasons? Really? Witnesses at the scene reported 3 white shooters.
Anyhow my conspiracy sources tell me the individuals who did the shooting were not the same individuals who were mowed down 2 miles away 4 hours later. In a scary way it makes sense. This area is multi-cultural/racial, and people here do not just go around mistaking someone of the male shooter's skin tone with white.
Oh well I'm sure the FACTS will surely surface... right?
this is a very good point and should be considered imo in concert with the alleged/strange claim of the woman's last minute pledge of devotion to isis on an account that could have belonged to anybody.
It's surely possible that things happened more or less as the media has said - but - anyone accepting the story so far uncritically is an incorrigible moron.
What I couldn't figure out with first reports is, "if these 'white guys' were covered in tactical gear, body armor and ski masks; how the heck could you tell their race??"
So here is how I see it could have happened.
1. Stage an actual mass murder at a location where you train federal agents in active shooter drills.
2. Contract it out to one of the major security, merc groups.
3. Frame it up on an islamic errorist cell you've been tracking, pick some low hanging fruit like a young couple stupid enough to post on facebook. While they are out on errands plant an arsenal in their apartment.
Possible - sure
Probable 50/50
wow
UR,
We know each other a little bit. You know I respect you.
What do you think?