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Greece Is A Nation Under Occupation
Submitted by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,
Perhaps the best way to show what a mess Europe is in is the €3 billion deal they made with Turkey head Erdogan, only to see him being unmasked by EU archenemy Vlad Putin as a major supporter, financial and who knows how else, of the very group everyone’s so eager to bomb the heebees out after Paris. It could hardly have been more fitting. That’s not egg on your face, that’s face on your egg.
But Brussels thinks it’s found a whipping boy for all its failures. Greece. It’s fast increasing its accusations against Athens’ handling of the 100s of 1000s of refugees flooding the country. Everything that goes wrong is the fault of Greece, not Brussels. The EU has so far given Greece €30 million in ‘assistance’ for the refugee crisis, while the country has spent over €1.5 billion in money it desperately needs for its own people. But somehow it’s still not done enough.
The justification given for this insane shortfall is that Greece doesn’t blindly follow all orders emanating from Europe’s ‘leaders’. Orders such as setting up a joint patrol of the Aegean seas with … yes, Erdogan’s Turkey. Where Greece gets next to nothing as the children keep drowning, Turkey gets €3 billion and a half-baked promise to join the Union sometime in the future.
Which was never going to happen, the EU would blow up before Turkey joins and certainly if it does, and most certainly now that Russia’s busy detailing the link between the Erdogan cabal and Europe’s supposed new archenemies -move over Putin?!, which, incidentally, are reason for France to ponder a kind of permanent state of emergency; ostensibly, this is Hollande’s way of exuding confidence. ‘We must protect our way of life’.
Given Schengen -while it lasts-, which effectively erases all frontiers, this de facto means permanent emergency across the entire EU. And that, to a degree, though the two may seem unrelated, plays into the EU’s insistence to station foreign border guards (military police) at Greek borders. A, we can’t put it in different words, completely insane demand to which Alexis Tsipras’ government has apparently even acceded.
Insane because once you have foreigners deciding who can enter or leave your country, you’re effectively a country under occupation. It really is that simple. This latest attempt at power grabbing on the part of Brussels could have some ‘unexpected side effects’, though. And that may be a good thing.
We are not specialists in the Greek constitution -terribly hard to read-, but we very much question whether an elected government can decide to give up its nation’s sovereignty this way. Two -related- issues here are: 1) does the EU have the legal capacity to force this (EU border guards agency Frontex) on a member state, and 2) does Tsipras have the legal capacity to sign over the sovereignty of his country to foreigners?
Brussels may claim that Athens voluntarily ‘invited’ in German and Polish ‘officers’, but that’s far short of even half the story. EU countries have been complaining about the way Greece has dealt with the refugee crisis, stating that it is not capable of protecting its borders, which it ‘should’ under Schengen.
Nonsense of course. Athens is very capable of protecting its borders, but it has stated -quite correctly, it would seem- that it protects its borders from enemies, and the refugees are not enemies. The reason the refugees keep arriving -and/or drowning-, mind you, has a lot more to do with Angela Merkel’s ‘invitation’ for them to come, and with Turkey’s eagerness to let them leave, than it does with anything Greece has done. Or not done.
But that’s not what Brussels talks about. Far from it. The EU claims it has the power to take over, even if Greece would resist. Reuters quotes a EU official as saying: “One option could be not to seek the member-state’s approval for deploying Frontex but activating it by a majority vote among all 28 members..”
In other words, if 15 countries vote to occupy Greece, it’s a done deal. Once more, we’re quite shaky on Greek constitution at the moment, but we’re thinking someone somewhere (preferably but not necessarily Greece) should take this to a constitutional court. Again, preferably in Athens, but that’s not where the buck stops.
Because if the EU can do this to Greece, it can ostensibly do it to any member state. All 28 countries in the EU could be subject to their borders being taken over. And no matter how shaky we are on any of the 28 constitutions, we are darn sure that at the very least some of them will not allow for this kind of tomfoolery. A nation is either sovereign or it’s not.
Can anyone imagine Frontex taking control of British borders, or German or French? The very notion is too silly to even bring up in serious conversation. But that is exactly what Tsipras has just accepted. It would seem wise to let that sink in.
And we, in all the innocence and ignorance we have, and we have plenty, fail to see how Alexis Tsipras can retain his position as prime minister in the face of this. No prime minister gets elected to sign over his country’s sovereignty to some group of bureaucrats the country happens to be aligned with on one way or the other.
There must be terms written into the Greek constitution, too, that prevent this from happening. Or else the nation was handed over to the dogs long ago, just waiting to be conquered once again. We don’t think Greeks are stupid, and most certainly not that stupid.
The refugee crisis is not Greece’s fault. In much the same way that the EU/ECB decision to bail out French/Dutch/German banks from their losses on Greek casino loans was not Greece’s fault. The EU is turning rapidly into a theater where the largest and most powerful countries get to play the weaker for whatever they desire. And that won’t last. Not with sovereign nations and their constitutions.
The internal problem in Greece, and we have to hand it to Tsipras that he understands this, is that when he leaves, the old guard will take over again. And that will be even worse for Greeks. Whose economy is being systematically dismantled by Brussels as we speak. Greece has zero chance of recovering from its crisis under the terms the EU has forced upon it.
But that doesn’t mean that an elected prime minister has the legal power to sign over the entire nation to a bunch of international bankers and power-thirsty politicians. There are still laws in this world. Written into constitutions.
Europe’s own Real Donald (there’s one on each side of the Atlantic), the one called Tusk, who owes his job exclusively to badmouthing Putin, on top of all sorts of suggestions to halt Schengen for 2 years or so, talked about detaining all refugees for 18 months, pending background checks and the like.
And we’re thinking, in our innocence, pray tell where, Don? In Poland, where you guys have such great experience with detention camps? But we’re drifting, straying… We’ve written too many times to count over the past while that the EU is bound to collapse because its structure selects for sociopaths. Who dream of power, night and day.
Look, Greece should leave while it can. Britain’s going to sign some convoluted deal to keep up appearances, though the ECB is not at all pleased with the idea of a multi-currency union, but deep down David Cameron is a second-hand car salesman who can’t even spell principles or morals, so it’ll get done.
The Danes voted down more EU in their country this week, in an outcome eerily familiar when it comes to actual votes on the Union. It seems every time such a vote takes place, Brussels loses.
But neither Britain nor Denmark not any other EU nation would vote to give up their sovereignty, their borders, their control over who enters and who leaves. And very rightly so. Greece shouldn’t either, it’s gone way too far already trying to please the bully.
Alexis Tsipras has made exactly that decision, however. And that makes his position untenable, even though neither he nor -allegedly- anyone else realizes it yet. He’ll be lucky not to face trial for treason. We’re not kidding.
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Western media has dropped Greece off the map of the world. Notice not even the Daily Mail has any Greek stories. As Brussels move to take the entire nation over, media provides cover. Media is a gang of liars and cover up artists. They are establishment tools, not news organizations. Do not be fooled by the West's claim to a vibrant independent media. With the Iraq War Lies, they surrendered in total to the Washington Consensus.
This is what playing with the devil (EU and USSA) gets you, stripped out of cash and prostitutes on sale.
Greece should mobilize 300 residents of Sparta to protect the country from the hordes of MENA envaders. ;-)
Looney
At some point I am going to have to write up my ideas on "How the world is closing".
Greece indeed gets screwed for having so many "migrants" there, instead of in the rest Europe, how convenient.
I agree that there is no way that the EU will let Turkey in.
Jihad is NOT going away.
I see NO WAY that any (well at least R-Team candidates) will let in 10,000s of "migrants" from Syria (etc.).
Schengen may be dead before long.
Terror seems to increase, NOT GOOD for tourists (and tourism is BIG MONEY that helps to change the world).
Point of Order!:
The current Greece Government does not have gazillions of EU money to throw around - Each unit of value was taken from someone who produced something - Say's Law.
Until this Evil is corrected and the taxes are seen as the Theft Mechanism that it is, it still reduces to "I will take your Value that you produced and spend in a better way than you could - because I can".
Awful MESS!!!
CW
Ah, the good old days when strength, skill and courage meant something. Now any skinny little pussy with a gun could defeat the entire 300.
Ahh.....but if you gave the 300; guns????
Welcome to our world Greece. Bankers have been occupying the US since 1913.
You would be far better off bombing Brussles.....!
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Greece is being asset-stripped more thoroughly than any invading army could ever do so. At with the complicit aid of the local politicos making it happen.
From Nazi resisters to Nazi welcomers in just one or two generations.
Yes. This time they were taken over by people in suits bearing freshly printed paper.
Time for a military coup in Turkey.
Funny, Iraq offered to send in troops to turkey to help them fight ISIS at their home base, after Turkey's incursion into Iraq for "training".
As long as it's "our guy" who ends up in power.
Just look at Ukraine to see how coups play out.
Well Erdogan is Barry's (and IS's) guy - which is why Turkey needs to get rid of him.
My heart goes out to the greek people ........ NOT! You had your chance to get out, now enjoy your membership 'privileges'. Nyuk nyuk nyuk
61% voted no. Other than the nepotistic politically connected voters from new democracy pasok and potami who gladly would love to see the old corrupt system going , the people did their job (for now )
Their Nazi collaborator leaders from new democracy to Syriza sold them out
Somebody got to Tspiras. In reality, Greece and Eastern Europe should double down with the Russians.
That's what happens when you let your State be controlled by banking overlords.
Greece should have elected Golden Dawn, the only party who would have worked to reclaimed Greece from stranglehold of the internationalist banker ethno-oligarch tribe, stopped and removed the invading third world hordes, and protected the Greek people, their land and heritage.
http://davidduke.com/jewish-supremacist-hypocrisy-exposed-in-reaction-to...
https://xaameriki.wordpress.com/
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/09/the-assault-on-golden-dawn-...
What Greece should do is know that all politicians are controlled. Either by force or controlled opposition, politics is controlled under the current system. Our only chance is to take back the power of the system. We need to take back the money supply.
Gold and silver is the money supply. Take it back.
Buy silver.
I imagine folks might sympathize in the Confederate States of America, now under Union Army occupation 150 years. They've had to live with the consequences of DC's allowing every manner of undesirable to settle in the South in hope of abolishing the proud, rebellious people of Dixie and replacing them with something more to the liking of northern banksters.
Not even 300 to resist.
I would not count on that.
Somewhere civil war enters the picture. Must be the next act.
Context for the insanity in the world is 9/11 was a false flag operation by the US government under the control of Israeli-Neocons.
They are now desperate, losing, and normal politics will result in many dozens of leaders around the world being hung, and 100s more spending the rest of their life in prison.
Whatever the specifics of the local history, the distal responsibility for the chaos rests on the Israeli-Necons. These are a rational engineer considering the problems.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/the-next-false-flag/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-our-dreyfus-affair/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/about-the-massive-psyops/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-the-weak-spot/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/engineers-theory-of-mind/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/09/166/
9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government
Can you explain, in detail, how explosives were transported, set and fused in WTC1, 2 & 7 w/o ANYONE seeing the process take place? To prep a building for demo takes MANY man hours of work.
Typically Troofurz only have endless assertions based on circumstantial evidence and ad hominem attacks.
Raul is right. But treason charges are not helpful, a room in the madhouse would suffice. The countries in Europe that love the spirit of unity but not the unity off one currency and that dislike the "vacuum cleaner and light bulb experts" in Bruxelles need to join forces and speak up against Bruxelles and Berlin. There are numerous potential advantages waiting, including but not limited to sufficient freedom on the national level, the chance to better contribute to a peaceful world and resumption of trade with Russia. United the position would be strong enough to cut a reasonable deal and countries such as UK, Switzerland and Denmark could forge an alliance strong enough which could also offer alternatives to weak hands such as Greece.
Greece:
No money
No borders
Foreign Governments writing its laws
Foreign Governments took over its borders, its ports, its airports, its mining operations
Foreign Governments running its finance departments and cutting benefits to Greeks
Is that a country or a colony?
Germany and Syria/Turkey have colonized Greece.
Sounds like 0bama's plan for Omerika.
all those poor refugees, will get free flats and free everything while the natives suffer.....
hard to sell stuff.
and it really is not erdogan, not every single western nation, it is just greece, like in the old laurel and hardy clips.
look what you have made me do ..... illuminatus
another pick: sooner or later all the captured refugees in nomans land between countries will start to die.
the bad refugees, not syrians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFQhn8RW0Nk
good one, bad one, goood one, good one, bad one, go to the shredder
wonder what that will do to the bureaucrat loving souls inside eu
and anyone wonders that people simply start to drop out?
"Four legs good, two legs bad." Orwell
It's a typical narcissist's game: blame someone else, or, better still, create a scapegoat for all of your own misdoings. People need to realize that the ones running things are nothing less than narcissistic psychopaths. LOOK IT UP! The profile fits all of the elite.
Greece is already occupied. What it needs is Golden Dawn.
Right now it's getting a Golden Shower.
Agree with first part
Disagree with last part . The last thing Greece needs is a bunch of Nazis running around killing anyone they deem to be their enemy i.e. Everyone not a Nazi . Golden dawn are the original Nazi collaborators from ww2
"Perhaps the best way to show what a mess Europe is in is the €3 billion deal they made with Turkey head Erdogan, only to see him being unmasked by EU archenemy Vlad Putin as a major supporter, financial and who knows how else, of the very group everyone’s so eager to bomb the heebees out after Paris. It could hardly have been more fitting. That’s not egg on your face, that’s face on your egg."
French and British special forces have been assisting the CIA with their Syrian mass murder and destruction for years. All of Europe know who is causing the refugees, they are participating in it, supporting the US mercenaries with training, arms, tactical support. The French, the British, all of Europe know what is going on, they are all complicit.
All hypocrisy. They all know who are the terrorists (the US axis of evil) and who are Sovereign. Imperialism is void of morality, empathy and truth telling, it's psychopathic greed.
As for Greece, they gave up their soverienty, now controlled by the Ttroika, so no surprise they are being shafted, that what shafters do.
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/press-release/secretary-kerry-urged-high...
They've been urged to lose control of their judicial process also.
Greece is a country in receivership in exchange for bridge financing.
They don't like it?
They should try to raise money the hard way on capital markets. Then they will feel real pain.
They should thank Germany and Schaeble for pushing through the needed reforms and throwing them life-lines multiple times.
If you're not working for the "receivers" please look up the crimes that took place in order to force Greece into the eurozone. Then consider this. Money is made out of NOTHING by private banks and nation states are forced to borrow it as DEBT PLUS INTEREST, or in other words, nations are not allowed to issue their money ... see Lincoln, William McKinley, JFK, Kapodistrias, etc etc. It's mathematically impossible to ever pay back the debt as they lend you 100 and you owe 110 ie. to get the interest you have to borrow again. Too Simple to admit it's happening but rest assured it does. That's modern slavery. One after the other all nation states that borrow instead of issuing their money go bankrupt. What's the total debt of America? Italy? France? Spain? UK? Germany?** When are they going to pay-up their debt?
** 16 Jun 2014. Total US debt at the end of the first quarter of 2014, on March 31 totaled almost $59.4 trillion - up nearly $500 billion from the end of the fourth quarter of 2013, according to the data. Total debt (the combination of government, business, mortgage, and consumer debt) was $2.2 trillion 40 years ago.
13 Mar 2015 Italy's debt load is now €2.1659 trillion, the Bank of Italy said Friday. The country's public debt increased by €31 billion in January, bringing the total close to the record-high of €2.1677 billion euro recorded in July 2014. TagsEU, Economy. Italy's public debt is only second to Greece in the eurozone.FRANCE: According to the INSEE, public debt was €1925 billion, in 2013, a new record, and higher than the €1841 billion recorded in 2012. France is one of the countries of which the public debt exceeds economic convergence criteria set out by the Treaty of Maastricht, both in terms of annual deficit and total volume of debt. According to the treaty, public deficit should not exceed 3% of GDP, and public debt should be limited to 60% of GDP.
SPAIN: External Debt in Spain increased to 1792934000 EUR Thousand in the second quarter of 2015 from 1783874000 EUR Thousand in the first quarter of 2015. External Debt in Spain averaged 1405130815.76 EUR Thousand from 2002 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 1792934000 EUR Thousand in the second quarter of 2015 and a record low of 601897024 EUR Thousand in the first quarter of 2002. External Debt in Spain is reported by the Bank of Spain.
UK: The PSNCR figure for 2014/15 was £93.390 billion, or 5.2% of GDP. Total British GDP in 2014/15 was $2.743 billion, or around £1.808 billion. By historic peacetime standards, the national debt is large and growing rapidly, but it is currently nowhere near its peak after WW2 when it reached over 180% of GDP.
GERMANY 31 March 2014: External debt US dollars: 5,546,869,000,000 - Per capita US dollars: 68,720
No on is arguing about unsustainable levels of debt. Eventually everyone will feel the pain. It is inappropriate to imply what is happening in the Greek case is somehow unfair or tyrannical. Life ain't fair. Greece screwed up. There are plenty of countries in Europe- Latvia being a good exmaple-and elsewhere that stepped up and made the needed reforms and dealt with the pain. Greece needs to grwo up.
Everyone with unsustainable debt will get there one of these days. Pray we deal better than Greeks have. Many Greeks have yet to grow up and accept responsibility for their actions. Instead they brought in incompetent enablers like Varoufakis that made things worse by far.
It IS rather illogical. The world went off the gold standard 80 years ago, and yet we continue to act as though sovereign governments which issue their own completely fiat currency are still issuing notes against borrowed gold owned by wealthy individuals. And I'm quite certain that it's all due to a quiet little gentleman's agreement made during WWII to reassure the old aristocracy and banking houses that removal of gold convertibility wouldn't be allowed to affect their incomes or positions of power.
The Bank of International Settlements is a VERY interesting institution, at the core of the European Central Bank. While they pretend that they are merely ennabling international accounting, that is what they do to make themselves indispensable, while they also manipulate all the developed economies for the advantage of insiders to the extended finance system.
China and Russia's new systems for international settlement might throw a monkeywrench into this fine old monopoly, though. And when that materializes, life could get interesting.
EuroPEONS FOOLISHLY get stampeded by their "leaders" repeatedly.
Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Pogroms, French Revolution, etc. all included a massive genocide.
If it's not kill the Jews, it's kill the rich, Catholics, etc.
Greeks deserve the shithole they ended up with.
The poster country for successful banker/government corruption sans prosecution, so the public evolved a "well if they get away with it, so can I attitude".
To date, Greece has still not fixed it's property ownership database.
Elections? What a fucking joke.
Greece needs a Mac Arthur like figure to come in and clean house.
Not to say the way Japan ended up (today) is any better, but they did have a good run for awhile.
How are Greeks in general responsible for not having fixed the property ownership db? And no, there have been no parties that claimed that they would do so so that the people would vote for them. Oh, and property in Greece is HEAVILY taxed, every year.
Like I keep saying, Europe needs to station itself on the Turkish side of the border to stop refugeees and not on the Greek side. That is where you can stop the influx. But Erdogan is happy to create mischief in the hope that he can overun some Greek islands or at worst get ongoing handouts and "respect" from Europe.
Wrong they are a bunch of freeloading sacks of shit.
They can leave any time they want and DEFAULT.
I kept saying this very fucking thing for 4 years now.
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Welcome to the Club Raul Ilargi Meijer.
Maybe that senile Monk Joseph was right about his predictions. Greece will take a portion of Turkey in the future after Russia has flown accross Turkey during the beginning of WW3.
-1 Raul Ilargi Meijer, another article here consisting in a loooong list of twists and spins by him
"the €3 billion deal they made with Turkey head Erdogan" - yes, Raul. what about that deal? All in all, Turkey did well, it took up an incredible amount of war refugees from Syria. And then... it looked a bit the other way, and let some of them go further to Greece. Funny how you forgot about the refugees in Turkey, in this article
"only to see him being unmasked by EU archenemy Vlad Putin" - bah. Putin has some interest in european dis-unity, but only marginally so. If we were to ask him to accept us all in a new form of the EU, the EurAsian Union, he'd be immediately for it, and we would have the exact same setup... headed by Moscow
"We are not specialists in the Greek constitution -terribly hard to read-, but we very much question whether an elected government can decide to give up its nation’s sovereignty this way."
the question, here, is if you, Raul, do even understand what sovereignty is
how a sovereign country protects it's borders is a question of political will. Greece has an army, and has a navy. Both are way bigger then what Frontex can muster. Meanwhile, the question if allies are allowed in the sovereign territory is indeed completely... political
Greece's government, if I may remind you, is mostly made up by radical Leftists, who btw would not even mind if Greece would become a completely federated state of the EU... as long as they get their favourite social spending levels
"Nonsense of course. Athens is very capable of protecting its borders, but it has stated -quite correctly, it would seem- that it protects its borders from enemies, and the refugees are not enemies. The reason the refugees keep arriving -and/or drowning-, mind you, has a lot more to do with Angela Merkel’s ‘invitation’ for them to come, and with Turkey’s eagerness to let them leave, than it does with anything Greece has done. Or not done."
and there you have it: Turkey's "eagerness" has been changed... with an EU cash gift
if Alexis Tsipras is culpable of treason by letting the EU's Frontex help the Greek's efforts at their borders, then a whole series of German Chancellors would be culpable of treason for letting the US still have bases in Germany, for example. Or the Brits for having US submarine and airforce bases in the UK, and so on
point is, Tsipras can say "no, thanks, but no", however the Brussel offer for aid is phrased... and he has the armed forces to have it stick
"And we, in all the innocence and ignorance we have, and we have plenty, fail to see how Alexis Tsipras can retain his position as prime minister in the face of this."
I beg to differ, Raul Illargi Meier. I see very little innocence and ignorance in the way you twist and spin this whole story
"The refugee crisis is not Greece’s fault."
of course not. fact is that in Syria war has made 10 million Syrians to flee their homes. War refugees, with immense camps in various countries like Jordania, Lebanon and Turkey, three countries that took up a huge share of them
Turkey, for various reasons by Erdogan that culminated with a payment you weasel around, let some into Greece
Greece, as you write, "protects its borders from enemies, and the refugees are not enemies"
now Greece has got an offer for help. phrased in very unfriendly terms, yes. and you make a lot about the unfriendliness and the constitutionality you claim not to understand but moan about...
... because - I suspect - you have two goals:
- moaning about "the EU" ( while you write and so know yourself it's 15 "EU countries ... complaining about the way Greece has dealt with the refugee crisis, stating that it is not capable of protecting its borders, which it ‘should’ under Schengen") and
- finding a reason why Greek borders should not be closed to refugees