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Iraq May Seek "Direct Military Intervention From Russia" To Expel Turkish Troops
Turkey just can’t seem to help itself when it comes to escalations in the Mid-East.
First, Erdogan intentionally reignited the conflict between Ankara and the PKK in an effort to scare the public into nullifying a democratic election outcome. Then, the Turks shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian border. Finally, in what very well might be an effort to protect Islamic State oil smuggling routes, Erdogan sent 150 troops and two dozen tanks to Bashiqa, just northeast of Mosul in a move that has infuriated Baghdad.
We discussed the troop deployment at length on Saturday in “Did Turkey Just Invade Iraq To Protect Erdogan's ISIS Oil Smuggling Routes?,” and you’re encouraged to review the analysis in its entirety, but here was our conclusion:
The backlash underscores the fact that Iraq does not want help from NATO when it comes to fighting ISIS. Iraqis generally believe the US is in bed with Islamic State and you can bet that Russia and Iran will be keen on advising Baghdad to be exceptionally assertive when it comes to expelling a highly suspicious Turkish presence near Najma.
You’re reminded that Iran wields considerable influence both politically and militarily in Iraq. The Iraqi military has proven largely ineffective at defending the country against the ISIS advance and so, the Quds-backed Shiite militias including the Badr Organisation, Asaib Ahl al-Haq and Kataib Hezbollah have stepped in to fill the void (see our full account here).
Of course that means that the Ayatollah looms large in Iraq and when it comes to loyalty, both the militias and a number of Iraqi lawmakers pledge allegiance to Tehran and more specifically to Qassem Soleimani. The point is this: Iran is not going to stand idly by and let America and Turkey put more boots on the ground in Iraq which is why just hours after Ash Carter announced that The Pentagon is set to send in more US SpecOps, Kataib Hezbollah threatened to hunt them down and kill them. Not coincidentally, PM Haider al-Abadi rejected a larger US troop presence just moments later.
Now, Abadi has given Turkey 48 hours to get its troops out of Iraq or else.
Or else what?, you might ask. Well, or else Baghdad will appeal to the UN Security Council where Russia and China would likely support the Iraqi cause.
But that’s a little too meek of a solution for some Iraqi politicians including Hakim al-Zamili, the head of Iraq's parliamentary committee on security and defense who said on Sunday that Iraq “may soon ask Russia for direct military intervention in response to the Turkish invasion and the violation of Iraqi sovereignty.”
"Iraq has the ability to repel these forces and drive them out of Iraqi territory. We could also request Russia to intervene militarily in Iraq in response to Turkish violation of Iraqi sovereignty," he told Al-Araby al-Jadeed.
Well guess what? Hakim al-Zamili is a somebody.
He was arrested in 2007 by Iraqi and American troops while holding a high ranking office in the Health Ministry. Zamili was charged with sending millions of dollars to Shiite militants who subsequently kidnapped and killed Iraqi civilians. Sunni civilians. More specifically, the US suspected Zamili “of using his position to run a rogue unit of the Mahdi Army, the Shiite militia that claims loyalty to the cleric Moktada al-Sadr,” The New York Times reported at the time, adding that he was accused of “flooding the Health Ministry's payroll with militants, embezzling American money meant to pay for Iraq's overworked medical system and using Health Ministry 'facilities and services for sectarian kidnapping and murder.''
Here’s an interesting account from NPR ca. 2010, after parliamentary elections:
At Friday prayers yesterday in Baghdad's Sadr City slum, one man in a gray suit seemed to attract as much attention as the preachers speaking over the P.A.
After a sermon that praised both armed and political resistance to the occupation of Iraq, many from the crowd of thousands rushed up to the front to congratulate Hakim al-Zamili, who appears to have won a resounding mandate as a member of parliament from Baghdad.
Though a celebrity here in Sadr City, many Iraqis call him a war criminal. Zamili was the deputy health minister during the ramp-up to Iraq's civil war, and he's accused of turning the ministry's guards into a Shia death squad, kidnapping and killing hundreds of Sunnis. Another ministry official who denounced Zamili disappeared and is presumed dead.
After being arrested and held over a year by the Americans, an Iraqi court acquitted Zamili after a brief trial.
“If I were really involved in those crimes, the courts would have convicted me,” Zamili said.
Right.
Anyway, the point is that as we’ve been saying for months, Shiite politicians along with Iran-backed militias now control Iraq, which has essentially been reduced to a colony of Tehran.
There will be no unilateral decisions on the part of the US or Turkey to place troops in the country without pushback from Baghdad and everyone involved knows that when Baghdad pushes back, it means Iran disapproves.
As Zamili’s warning makes clear, Iraq (and thereby Iran) won’t be shy about calling in the big guns from Moscow when they feel the situation demands it - and the militas won't be shy about targeting the "invaders."
"Turkish interests in Iraq will now be a legitimate target because of Turkey's assault on Iraqi territories," Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada, one of the Shia militias of the Popular Mobilisation said in a statement. Similarly, Harakat al-Nujaba called Turkey "a terrorist state." You're reminded that these groups have a reputation for fearing no one other that Khamenei himself. Not the US, not Turkey, not ISIS, no one:
We close with what Zamili said after the establishment of the Baghdad-based joint intelligence cell comprising officials from Iran, Russia, Syria, and Iraq:
“The idea is to formalize the relationship with Iran, Russia and Syria. We wanted a full-blown military alliance.”
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Bonus color from ISW:
The recent deployment into northern Iraq differs from past deployments in three ways. First, Turkey does not appear to have undertaken the action in order to contain the PKK directly, as there is no significant PKK activity in or around Bashiqa. The base is also located too far from other priority territory for the PKK, including Sinjar west of Mosul, to be used as an effective staging point for future operations against the PKK. Second, the Turkish battalion, deployed to an area within the Disputed Internal Boundaries (DIBs) – areas that have substantial Kurdish populations but remain outside of Iraqi Kurdistan. Turkey likely intends to support Barzani and the KDP in securing control over the DIBs while also positioning its own forces to better influence what forces participate in the future operation to recapture Mosul, formerly an ethnically diverse city including Arabs, Kurds, and Turkmen. Third, the Turkish deployment came only four days after Defense Secretary Ashton Carter announced that additional U.S. Special Operations Forces (SOF) would deploy to Iraq to conduct raids and intelligence-gathering in Iraq and Syria, an announcement that generated denunciations from the Shi’a political parties and threats of no-confidence votes against the Prime Minister, forcing PM Abadi to reject publicly the presence of foreign ground troops in Iraq. The Turkish troops thus deployed at a particularly sensitive time.
Turkey also maintains close connections with key players in northern Iraq. Turkey has cooperated with Kurdistan Regional President Masoud Barzani since 2013, particularly over crude oil exports through the Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline. Barzani and Turkey share a mutual distrust of the PKK, and the KDP currently competes with the PKK for control over Sinjar district. Turkey also possesses close relations with former Ninewa Province governor Atheel al-Nujaifi, who maintains a camp of former local police and Arab fighters in Bashiqa called the “National Mobilization.” Turkish support was essential for Atheel al-Nujaifi’s elevation to the Ninewa governorship in 2009. Finally, Turkey has close relations Osama al-Nujaifi, Atheel’s brother and the leader of the Sunni Etihad bloc in the Council of Representatives (CoR). Turkey will likely leverage these connections in order to secure greater control over what armed and political actors participate in operations to recapture Mosul. In particular, Turkey will likely support the Nujaifis over Sunni Arabs with whom Turkey has not cultivated relations.
Turkey’s deployment of troops sparked strong rejection from the full spectrum of Iraqi political actors. Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi and Iraqi President Fuad Masoum strongly condemned the deployment as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty and demanded that Turkey conduct an immediate withdrawal. All major Shi’a parties denounced the deployment as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty, with a leading Sadrist official calling for Iraqi airstrikes on the Turkish force if it did not depart the country. Another pro-Maliki CoR member suggesting that “a Russian force” could intervene to expel the Turkish battalion.
The U.S. will not likely press Turkey on the issue, as anonymous U.S. defense sources merely indicated that the U.S. was "aware" of Turkey’s intentions. Iranian proxy militias, however, could challenge Turkey elsewhere in the country. Iran likely ordered Iranian proxy militias to kidnap 18 Turkish construction workers on September 2 in order to pressure Turkey into ordering Turkish-backed rebels to cooperate with a ceasefire around the besieged Shi’a majority towns of Fu’ah and Kifriya in northern Syria. The kidnappings provided sufficient leverage against Turkey and the kidnapped workers were released after Syrian rebels enacted a local ceasefire. Iran could pursue similar actions against Turkish assets in Baghdad or in southern Iraq.
This situation may escalate further if Iran views the deployment as threatening its vital strategic objectives in Iraq or Syria. Iran rejects any foreign forces other than their own on Iraqi soil and backs the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), Barzani’s rival in Iraqi Kurdish politics trying to contest his control over the Kurdistan regional presidency. Iranian proxies also recently sparred violently with the Peshmerga in Tuz Khurmato in eastern Salah al-Din proxies on November 12.
Shi’a parties will use the episode to pressure PM Abadi to strongly reject foreign intervention, particularly if reports that Turkey and Barzani signed an agreement to establish a permanent Turkish base in Bashiqa are correct. These calls could complicate U.S. plans to additional Special Operations Forces (SOF) to Iraq to as a “specialized expeditionary targeting force” that will conduct raids and intelligence-gathering in Iraq and Syria.
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Doesn't the US have a duty to protect the borders of Iraq or some shit like that? Seems they suddenly remembered an old agreement when it came to Ukraine. Strange that they have amnesia about an ongoing concern like Iraq.
Dumb ass Neo Cons, lol. How can they finally be driven out of power?
By pounding the 9/11 drum. That will result in dozens and dozens of them being hung, if it is ever investigated as it shuld have been.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-the-weak-spot/
9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government
The problem with 911 is that they did it so big and monumental and they set the treshold where people will get too scared again too high. Only nukes on US soil might trigger a shock bigget and even that is not certain. They fucked up, they overreached.
Russia should sign a contract for security with them and charge for it.
This is how business should be done with these fuckers from now on. Oh you little Semitic fuckers want free protection, too bad, we want your oil. Let's see what you have to offer.
Freedom isn't free, so you should start paying us for our lives being lost in your stupid wars.
The US is on the devil's side on all of this. All this is only going to eventually lead to a Satanic WWIII on the coming years if nothing changes
So Turkey pot shots a Russian bomber that alleged violated its airspace for 17 seconds, and the US backs the right to "defend its borders"... but when the turks send troops/tanks into Iraq and violate those borders for who knows how long... it's ok?
US hypocrisy has become so prevalent it is impossible to put a spin on it anymore. Not only is the emperor naked, he's walking around with shit hanging out of his ass. Embarrassing does not even begin to describe the US.
A couple of Russian cruise missiles from the Caspian hitting targets inside Iraq under approval of the Iraqi government would be perfectly justified here.
See if Erdogan rushes out to cry foul when his invasion force is incinerated 100km inside Iraq.
Oh, you had military personnel in our territory? It seems they wandered into our live exercise and were duly killed. How unfortunate, we will deliver you their smouldering boots.
The Russian news media can have a field day with this. For example:
"Erdogan, The Butcher from Turkey invades Iraq."
The war drumming is in full force by the media.
The number of military and armed forces recruiting ads, the increase in the Hitler/Nazi "documentaries", the NFL and it's insistence on aligning with the neocons.
It's disgusting
What, the Iraqis are on the hunt for yet another foreign army to fight their wars for them? What a bunch of Shiite sissies. Wassa' matta', your Muslim buddy Obama bail on you boys?
they fought a rather bloody war with iran in recent memory. apparently some have forgiven and forgotten.
in time, the russians, iran and hezbollah may do with the iraqi army what the u.s. was unable to,
AS AN ASIDE! Hold on to your ammo! I heard many references in the MSM about the 1,000 + rounds of ammo that the Muslim couple had. California, and every other State run by Democrats, get ready for the AMMO LIMITS you can purchase, probably with some kind of recycle evidence that you are NOT hording same.
If they can't take your gun/rifle, they will take your ammo. No Constitutional control on ammo! Buy your reloading equip and supplies now! Just sayin!
That was Saddam's war, and Saddam was an ethnic Sunni.
Iraq May Seek "Direct Military Intervention From Russia" To Expel Turkish Troops
Geeze, Tyler. You make it sound like the Iraqis are REALLY pissed this time. This headline also suggests as much:
Whoops! That's an article from October of 2012. I guess they were just kind of pissed that time. But wait, there's more:
Hmmm... looks like the Stratfor guys knew about the permanent Turkish bases in Iraq a year befor that. Thanks, WikiLeaks.
But that's just the few thousand Turkish soldiers trying to establish their PKK-free Zone in Iraq. Which is nothing like the 22 battalions they sent into Iraq to chase the PKK in October of 2011: Turkey Crosses into Northern Iraq in Offensive Against Kurdish Rebels
See, the deal is that when you're a ZATO stooge country like Turkey, you can kill anyone fighting terrorists if they stray into Turkish territory. Turkey, on the other hand, is allowed to stray into Iraq with couple of dozen battalions in their heroic fight against Kurdish 'terrorists'.
What he said^
I have a REAL problem with how the young can only learn how to grow in "controlled situations".
I took the "standard phrases" from our media and changed the name al-Assad in Syria on name Obama in the United States:
Obama Must Go! With Obama, America has no future! America and the Obama regime are incompatible! Obama is not legitimate because its military-police regime robs the US population and is constantly killing of US citizens! The majority of the US population does not support the bloody regime of Obama! Obama Must Go!
It seems like only a few months ago (because it was) that Obama was telling the world what a great deal the nuclear treaty with Iran was...how Iran has mellowed due to the sanctions we placed on them. That bit of failed foreign policy doesn't even get mentioned in Obummer's fawning press nowadays. Guess that gambit wasn't the easy cakewalk to Nobel Peace Prize #2 that he thought.
Doesn't really matter though. The world's elitedom is about ready to pull off the mask and kill a lot of us and make serfs out of the rest of us. Prepare accordingly.
Kick all US troops out.
Any Turkish or AMERICAN military personnel who set foot in Iraq or Syria without the express permission of the Iraqi/Syrian government should 1) be politely asked to leave, and then 2) killed if they do not.
As I vaguely recall, such action is utterly conventional behavior when foreign miltary forces cross your borders uninvited.
Indeed, however, I'm not to sure about the "politely asked to leave" part.
i agree. there have been numerous exceptions.
Russian troops in Syria - it is a legitimate military aid.
NATO troops in Syria - it is an illegal military occupation.
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US and NATO do not have any legal right to decide who should be the leader of other sovereign countries and peoples.
Similarly, the United States and NATO did not have any legal right to decide who of the leader of other sovereign countries and peoples "must go".
US and NATO must go home from the Syria.
what in the flying fuck are you talking about? Just need to insert some zioganda against Iran, is it?
You've misinterpreted my meaning, friend. I am tired of the endless pumping by the media for war. We're $19 Trillion in debt so we can't afford it anyway. I want all our military to leave that forsaken area and come home. It wouldn't hurt if we let the Japanese and Germans defend themselves either. Bring our soldiers home.
Turn all our drones into pizza delivery equipment and let peace break out all over.
Surrender for the sake of peace. It worked for Japan. It worked for Germany. For a while. But I never seen a surrender without defeat first.
Surrender? Defeat? Don't you know what "spin" means? It's a victory! Go USA!
The debt bomb is imploding. They can't afford not to have war. That's why they are so hell-bent on starting one no matter what absurd measures it takes and why Russia has been so non-aggressive. Putin isn't someone I'd like to have dinner with but he's smart enough to know he just had to wait. Don't expect him to go against the Turks as much as they deserve it, a few more months and the Ponzi will die.
You're 19 trillion in debt? You can't afford not to go to war.
Poor little innocent Iran.
We see so many deride those who differentiate left from right, yet no problem blinding themselves to virtually all things with the white light of hatred for Israel.
It is possible to have more than one enemy, one threat. If anything should be obvious at this point is how complex of a web has been woven. The one thing that American cannot do is claim any high moral ground at this point, so we best start worrying about surviving this mess, right wrong or otherwise. There is no 72 virgins waiting for "us" in heaven. Our battle is here and now.
>>>we best start worrying about surviving this mess, right wrong or otherwise. There is no 72 virgins waiting for "us" in heaven. Our battle is here and now.
I indeed hope that the American people, military included, survive this mess.
However, it would be a great and historic boon to all mankind if the American System fails, and fails badly... repudiated by it's own people. One can still dream....
Please explain how the "American System" differs all that much from any of the rest except for size and capability. There is no end to war or to corruption. There is only the hope that decentralization will keep both smaller and of less consequence. The only other hope is a world wide governance that rather than war simply relies on tyranny and oppression to maintain itself. That is our choice.
I do not believe that the USA is uniquely evil, but (as you say) the sheer size, "wealth" and capability of the place make it uniquely dangerous to everyone else on the planet, specifically including any of its own people who don't drink the Koolaid of American Exceptionalism, and must submit to an increasingly unaccountable central government.
Decentralization is indeed the way to go, and I shudder at the idea of one world government. FWIW I relocated from the US to New Zealand some 15 years ago and (again) the biggest difference between the places is really just the scale of the US: big everything, including big hubris and big mistakes.
In terms of the "American System" being somehow unique, I do believe the USD's reserve currency status has given the USA unique opportunities to exploit the remainder of the world, opportunities which both the USG and US corporate interests have quite aggressively pursued. If China, Russia or Germany had achieved the same dominant position that the USA achieved, they likely would have behaved in a similar manner, or worse, and I'd want to see said "Chinese System" or "German System" broken up as well.
Perhaps Iraq needs to do something about the airbase that Turkey has quietly built in Iraq? A real Trojan Horse.
Erdogan has established a fully-fledged air base and camp in Bamerme near Duhok at N Iraq. Been building it for years
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=37.103521&lon=43.279438&z=13&m=bs
If I was Putin, I'd hit those take and Turk soldiers HARD...harder than hard...I'd make an example of them.
We have been living in this bizarro "do as i say and not as i do" universe for some time now.
It is what they say it is.
And it will be as long as they draw breath.
Emails don't work. Phone calls....don't work. Protesting......, zip, zero, zilch, notta, null set.
Logic is petty and tedious.
"Turkey shelved military plans to send more troops to support allies in northern Iraq, after the government in Baghdad said it may appeal to the United Nations to secure the withdrawal of Turkish soldiers recently deployed in the country." (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-06/turkey-bolsters-milita...
Does not say remove just "not more". Something smells of oil trading protection/coverup here? Wonder why they changed their minds?
One camp was very close to a Hunt Oil drilling site
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVePn29WIAADGko.png
It would be a shame if the Russians/whoever were to accidentally bomb it instead of the Turkish base nearby.
US bombs syrian army base. ISIS immediately mops up. wtf!?
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/06/breaking-us-airstrike-on-syrian-army-...
CAN ANYONE CONFIRM!!???
WW111 in the coming years , this shit is going to kick off in March/May time next year, all the players are in position .
Tell us why you think it will be in the March to May timeframe. (I upvoted you for sticking your neck out and making the prediction.)
Personally, I feel that things will start to get real around Christmas, due to how it took 30 days from the "Arch Duke moment" to WWI kicking off.
The Russian plane was shot down on 24 November, and right now pieces are moving across the chess board.
By 24 December, I fully expect a regional war to kick off, which will then consume the area, and may spread to every corner of the world due to how the supply lines are interconnected today, and everything is built on JIT logistics and global trade.
Hopefully, some of us are very wrong with what we see coming.
Write it up.
TV sucks ass, might as well listen to you ramble on.
The shelves go bare? $9/gal gas and/or milk? One government issued chicken in the pot and an MRAP on every block?
Gun confiscation?
Media blackout?
Gold confiscation?
Nuked US cities?
How in the world can they even attempt to $ell a war with Russia to the American People?
I regret that "they" will not need to sell a war to anyone.
This may, regrettably, take on a life of its own, much like this.
How will this effect my March Madness bracket????
I think the same of ISIS/ISIL/DAESH or whatever their next name is - it seemed like a good idea for the US do do that but it got taken over by crazies (or maybe they were crazies all along?) but we still drop weapons and toyotas to them, so what gives, or is it just us vs Russia?
High stakes for a pissing game between superpower ego's IMO
spamming the same shit on every thread in normal text is a slight improvement on spamming it on every thread in bold text
(I do give credit where it is due)
WAR ON ISIL IS PRETEXT TO ERECT A GREATER ISRAEL
http://smoloko.com/?p=7112
That's older news, but true.
When they stop telling you what they may or may not do, and just start taking action, then we'll see war. Until then, this is just hype to sell papers.
Seeing the ziocons tried, convicted and hung would be the high point in my life.
US bombs syrian army base. ISIS immediately mops up. wtf!?
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/06/breaking-us-airstrike-on-syrian-army-...
CAN ANYONE CONFIRM!!???
Conflict News says false report. However, Conflict News is unreliable.
Yes it was.
Is this the invasion of Poland ?
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I don't see this ending well.
I todja, Gog and Megog!
Turkey et al, into the ME against .... Oh, never the mind ....
We're all gonna get kille
Wanted Sunscreen: Good to 300,000,000o C
YouTube Jewish boy natan vision. It's a big deal in Israel. He said Obama was gog and and armegedon started in sept
The reference to "Armageddon" is a past recollection of the above event. Kadesh was "Jerusalem" (Kadesh has the same Semitic root as the Arabic name for Jerusalem - al Quds, QDS and so does Cadiz in Spain and a number of Mesopotamian cities rules by the Phoenicians/Canaanites).
All biblical end times prophecy and end of the world "visions" already happened. Prophecy does not exist. Except when you make it exist. For example, if duty calls and you say "I prophecize that I will take a shit in 5 minutes" and you do just that, congrats. You fulfilled prophecy. The same is true with the Zionist jews and Anglo-Saxon fundies in the US trying to carry it out today because they are fucking insane.
Battle of Megiddo (15th century BC)C'mon mister Ed. 3 thousand year old folk tales even predict the winners of horse races. In fact the world has ended dozens of times in the past century. The Armageddon of 1975 was especially bloody. Good thing non-insane people won that.
Wrong on so many levels, The bible says in Revelation 9:18 a third of mankind is wiped out by plagues of fire. Your link about a battle at Megiddo obviously didn't encompass a third of mankind. Also what weapons would you need to wipe out a third of mankind with "plagues of fire". I'll let you figure it out Einstein.
Actually its the globalist elite behind it not "Anglo-Saxon fundies". Try again.
WWIII
Many similarities to the rapid Polish invasion, fighters using speed, well supplied with hardware, etc.
Rapid Polish invasion because dry weather made river beds accessible and the land is FLAT from Berlin to Moscow
The situation reminds me more of ancient history than modern history, in that there are no obvious good guys. Just a bunch of would be world emperors running around sending their people to slaughter. Then again, in WWII there was one particular country that had a military machine that it thought could not be defeated, that believed in world hegemony based upon its principles and rule, that had a government which consisted of a merger of state and corporations, and that needed war to avoid economic stagnation. What country would that most resemble today....
That,s easy LTER , same country as it was in WWII. Ruled by the same special people too, the ones the Germans were trying to save themselves from .
The Germans weren't trying to save themselves from anyone, they were pure evil and wanted to control the entire world!
Be a good little citizen, believe everything you're told and join the army to die for the banks and Isr- I mean freedom.
Good answer. Funny how so much modern history is being re-evaluated of late. With good cause, I suspect.
Then again, in WWII there was one particular country that had a military machine that it thought could not be defeated, that believed in world hegemony based upon its principles and rule, that had a government which consisted of a merger of state and corporations, and that needed war to avoid economic stagnation. What country would that most resemble today....
You are thinking of Japan no doubt ? Germany did NOT believe in world hegemony and its army was smaller than Polands and it had fewer tanks than France. In fact Germany in 1939 was not at all possessed of a "military machine that could not be defeated"
It needed French trucks to invade the USSR and British equipment left at Dunkirk. Germany never had 4-engined bombers and never had 24-hour working in factories unlike Britain. France had more aircraft in hangars in 1940 than Germany was flying - they were Hotchkiss
Russia can have Syria airlift Iranians to the area to knock out the Turks. Or, the Syrians could do it themselves if airlifted.
The Russians could help by using their secret agent, Paul Lonium, on Barzini, who must be named after Don Barzini in The Godfather.
Too dicey for the Russians to directly attack even if the Turks are in Iraq. They will still sqeal Article 5 to ZATO. This whole gig is morphing more towards a super power conflict every day.
If the USSA puts in any more troops, everyone is going after them. Iraq is probably close to kicking all the Americans out. Iran will enjoy the humongous embassy we built for them.
150 soldiers ? Turkey got a very bloody nose in Iraq in 2008
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/ankara-s-intentions-what-is-be...
I doubt the Turkish Army is effective in major conflict - after all the US military has been shown as dire and the British as ineffectual in Iraq and Afghanistan. If Turkey gets entangled in conflict, Greece will seize the opportunity for a two-front war
Is this the invasion of Poland ?
Good question!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/06/poland-considering-asking-for-access-to-nuclear-weapons-under-nato-program
Poland considering asking for access to nuclear weapons under Nato program
Deputy defence minister says Poland is discussing whether to join other European countries in hosting nuclear arms to strengthen defences
Poles with nuclear weapons is like Japanese with nuclear reactors........accident prone.
<<Dumb ass Neo Cons, lol. How can they finally be driven out of power?>>
Awareness. They have lost the moral high ground and the real news needs to be spread far and wide. That's why this site among so many others is so important, and its wide-ranging comments section. That's why the UK is sending pamphlets telling parents to report their kids if the kids seem to be responding too much to alt news. The new generation is not afraid of the internet, as their parents may be, and less inclined to rely on the corporate media, less conditioned to trust official authority, less likely to vote for or believe known crooks. It is the real journalists on the internet, doing their job, that is our best weapon, better even than guns. It is awareness of the absolute immorality of the cabal, that the masses will respond to, and that is what will bring them down.
Truth is the sword and Justice the shield of the righteous.
Parents are not afraid of the all knowing, unerring, infallible internet. They are simply old enough to know how easily it is to fall for well presented lies. Exactly as the radical Muslims are now gathering their sheep. I still well remember the arrogance of my youth, my "absolutism" in my intellect and vision, that I now laugh off. If we can gain NOTHING from age and experience, then exactly what is the point?? The things that come most to mind now are those things my parents struggled to impress upon me fifty years ago. The thing I am the most ashamed of is the indifference I paid to them and outright rejection and contempt...just as my college professors of the time directed me to do.
Sorry, but the internet? Your kidding, the kabbalah owns the ethereal arena. Their deity is electricity and light. They control the net, that's why it's called a net in the first place, and your the fish hooked in via an 'ether' card. They've successfully isolated almost everyone from the real people around them. Your talking about zombies walking around with phones as their sole connection to rise as resistance? Good luck with that.
Never has man been more disconnected, your on your own, always have been. The difference is most people in the past were able to figure this out. Not so with the internet. It's a web to catch you like flies, ethereal, and probably infected with real time AI control, they certainly manufacture news in real time. N north E east W west S south, they got you covered in total capture if you still believe you have any freedom.
Real freedom of choice is not having to make one, they don't allow that, against their rules.
The Neo-Liberals have been at the helm for (7) years JUNIOR. BTW <> Heads I win and tails you lose, so pick a side???
Fucking moron, basement baby!
You're a bit of a retard, aren't ya kiddo?
That's it...lol
I'll bet you're one of the "bean counters" that attributes the labor participation rate to "seniors retiring"?
If that's the case, why aren't wages rising?
Why is it that Tyler has repeatedly posted charts and graphs showing that the over "retirement age group", per U-3 and U-6 is in fact higher then their younger "compatriates"?
People AREN'T retiring JUNIOR! They're SUBSIDIZING their NON-existant, stolen wealth. That's WHY wages aren't rising! ASSCLOWN.
43 weeks. lol
I'm not sure where ZH might have been linked or mentioned about a year ago..... But suddenly there are a lot of short-timers spouting off
ALGO's
Iraq told the US to get the F out (kindly) weeks ago.
Comes down to the idiots who think all these people are "sitting on MY OIL". How inconvenient that people outside of Wash DC and THE CITY actually live there. Or that Israel can't ascend the throne.
This could be an opportunity for Putin. Say he agrees with Iraq and has promission to bomb non Iraqi military. Just a thought
US bombs syrian army base. ISIS immediately mops up. wtf!?
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/06/breaking-us-airstrike-on-syrian-army-...
CAN ANYONE CONFIRM!!???
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/06/100-people-detained-for-comparin...
Shelob is always hungry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_301_%28Turkish_Penal_Code%29
Some day people are going to look back on this debacle[ ignominious failure of humanity] and laugh, from another planet.
Yeah they will. When the terran broadcast signals they've been monitoring show the lead up to all this shit, and then suddenly .... no more signals.
They'll know how it ended, though. And the phrase "dumber than a fucking earthling" will be used on that planet for centuries to come.
From my perspective... 'Klingons'1 are already laughing from another place, as the Cling-on Usurpers2 keep getting more audacious.
1 Used as a vehicle for the metaphoric tenor for alien beings, who do not have Earth's best interests at heart.
2 Used as a vehicle for the metaphoric tenor for Dual Citizens and Sayanim, pursuing the Oded Yinon agenda. These people are behaving as though they have the backing of Klingons or Lucifer himself.
A real leader would be kicking Turkey out of NATO.
The only real leader in this game is Putin, and the only kicking he will be doing is on Turkey's and NATO's asses.
and then he will wipe them with sagebrush
A real leader would be kicking Turkey out of NATO
And who fills that role now? Every NATO country has sold out their soul. So exactly who can stand up to these fools?
Turkey is a strategic country. It's the bridge between Europe, the Middle East and Asia, among other things. NATO would be insane to kick them out and drive them into the hands of Russia/China.
Turkey is doing exactly as it's told - Create the situation needed to get NATO involved in Syria, to salvage their operations and to start a massive war that will finalize the transfer of power from West to East.
The real leaders are the money lenders, and everything is proceeding as they have planned.
Turkey was propped up by the British throughout the 18th and 19th Century. It did not do them much good when the Turks fought with the Germans in WW1 and signed up to join Hitler until Stalingrad made it hazardous. They still tied up 200,000 Soviet troops watching for a Turkish invasion in support of the Reich. It signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Germany 1941 and then went "neutral" until it was time to join the Allies in 1945.
Quite why you have such a cartoonish view of geopolitics eludes me.
They are getting caught in the decades of lies. Koch for ¡Jeb or Hillary for prison 2016.
If Putin actually drops bombs on the Turks (not their proxy and not on infrastructure) then that is a significant move.
But this just smells like more of the typical - "Putin is going to do something now!" propoganda that never is followed through on.
And what about the troops that Turkey moved into Syria a few days ago. Why does Putin avoid confronting that issue. (Now Putin may try to has his proxy ground troops attack them, but that could result in direct bombing of his proxy by NATO)
blankone, raymond H was spot on when he outed you as a troll. you never counter but continue to recite what you are paid to recite. i suggest all (other than other trolls) scroll past your diatribe. one reading was sufficient, more kills brain cells.
ha. NATO is gonna have a shit fit.
Putin's gotta be laughing his ass off about now.
"Have the US and Turkey Entered Iraq to Defend ISIS Oil Routes?"
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/06/has-us-and-turkey-entered-iraq-t...
Just repeat after me "It's not about the oil, it's about Free-Dum and demon-acracy"
This is some serious shit. These people are relequishing americas right to sovereignty on the international stage. clearly the american government cannot conduct itself in a safe and courtious manner. it has become a reckless entity in the eyes of the global community. good luck fuckers.
Putin's playing chess and the US ala NATO is playing whack-a-MolE like an epileptic in a 70's disco. FFS this government is hell-bent on self-destruction.
"americas right to sovereignty"
That was relinquished with the decision to abdicate control over the borders - no borders, no sovereignty. What we're watching now is follow-through on the same globalist principle.
I've looked at the veteranstoday site. Whack job central. Might as well hang out on Lunatic OutPost. At least they are honest about it given the site name. jmo
" I've looked at the veteranstoday site. Whack job central. Might as well hang out on Lunatic OutPost. At least they are honest about it given the site name. jmo"
Good for you. Would you care to pick apart the article I linked?
When you know nothing about the subject, and have nothing to say, ad hominems are your fallback. Thanks for the link, Duc 888.
I was wondering about the "Veterans Today" site for a year or so. The people I really think are on the level stay clear of VT. I noted a few Sorcha Faal moments myself.
Then Gordon Duff (the VT Big Kahuna) Fired this patriot guy right while on the air, and a bunch of other people then quit VT. See:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/04/gordon-duff-blows-up-vt-rad...
When I want real action (of this kind) I turn to the best:
http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html
He has some great videos too!
This whole thing is a big freaking mess....and our arses are on the line
This is going to be a nice FAT Middle Eastern war in a few months or less. Don't get used to cheap gas, folks.
Picking sides on this one is going to be like having to choose between HItler and Stalin in WW2. Whatever way you choose, it will be a losing move.
Can somebody please take out the Saudi's?
I cant believe people still fall for this Hitler bashing crap and then comparing him to Stalin..Really?
Stop reading jewish proganda, history and get the facts, if he'd have won, we wouldnt be neck deep in the global zionist crap now... which russia is now the next Country to expell the zionist jews & is now in the same situation Hitler was in the late 1930's... Im a Brit & even I know, Damn Even General George Patton knew & said so , which got him assasinated for exposing the truth, when he said, "weve defeated the wrong enemy, we should immediately re arm germany & push east" ... so why didnt the USA do this... because America was already usurped by 1933 to jewish communist control. Like it or lump it its a fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv4cO61NIKE&feature=player_embedded
www.tgsnt.tv
Wrong, they are all of the same blood lines. War isn't about winning with these guys, it's power in itself.
Its just a vehicle to keep humanity subjugated, same story from the beginning, Jacob vs Esau, and their bloodlines fight on. Lot's of red haired dudes pulled off those Nazi Rites, related to all the other ruling red haired bastards littering Europe. Gee, wonder if there was a red haired dude in the original fight.
If you haven't noticed it yet, check put how nearly every hollyweird hero your given is one, than check out how your congress critter is, if he isn't Jewish he's probably a red head too.
They had twelve tribes and a birthright too, think they just vanished into obscurity, nope, no such luck. They are the Nazi's, always have been, always will, that's why they'll never be eradicated. So either way one of the son's, of one of the tribes wins. Your not in the family. It's a saturnian thing, research the nazi saturnian society, amazing how they both admire the same gods, have the same goals.
BOOYAH!
Stupid, stupid, stupid America.
Stupid America, but works out great for American puppet masters Israel.
Assuming Russia cuts off Turkey from Syria and Iraq, that should set the stage for another escalation. I wouldn't even try to guess what it will be.
I like to cook. But I never saute'ed Turkey with a good Russian flaming VodKa. Sounds kind of good.
US Looks to Circumvent Iraqi PM’s Objection on New Troops
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/12/04/us-looks-to-circumvent-iraqi-pms-obje...
https://www.rt.com/news/324782-iraq-troops-hostile-act/
The US forces are not welcome either.
Fuck Vichy Washington.
From your link...
US officials are pretty sure they can circumvent Abadi’s objections, but are trying to figure out the best way to do it without further weakening Abadi, who they still see as a vital ally. As one US official noted, “there are ways to make these things work.”
Yeah that would be circumventing the rights of sovereign nations like it has been doing all over the world especially the Americas and Middle East.
Wonder how Erdogan is coming along with that resignation speech.
I think the Neofreakingkongs are out of control and delusional
I think Russia is in trouble and is trying to gain time, that is why they opened the Syrian front.
I think the US&co will be using the Turks to wind down Russia, so at some point they will come to the game to kill the Bear once for all, the Same strategy was used in WWII.
The absence of the loud US voice is an indication that something is coming down big time....
I think they misread the situation. Russia may not go nuclear right away but surrounded and constantly attacked, they may well have to send a message soon that unlike Iraq and Syria, Russia can bloody some noses fairly easily.
The danger of the use of tactical nukes due to Anglo-Zionist megalomania grows by the day.
Agree totally!
But here is the thing to think about it and some people just didnt realise yet,
The US cons just dont give a damn about no body, no public opinion, no international laws, no bs UN puppets... Its just doing their thing... And Russia is in their scope, how this shit is going to play out i dont know, but i think wont matter much if the Russians can deploy some nukes, the guys in the Pentagon think they can win it.
Russia understands that they are in a difficult spot, the rest is just show
Smart move, Iraq. Make sure you don't wind up playing the fool for zionists next time. WWI was the 'war to end all wars', and self determination would be the right of all nations...so the world was told. Since then, we see more wars, more corruption.
Now here we are: ISIS mercenaries threatening everyone, except their makers, and any informed person knows who that is...ain't that right, Mr Rothschild et al.
However, Iraq now allies itself with an Orthodox Christian nation which has suffered far worse at the hands of Bolsheviks, and zionists. Remember who your friends were, Iraq. It goes without saying that Iran and General Qasem Soleimani are proving their courage, and friendship for all God's children.
Many die. Few can say they defended defenseless women and children against the strongest and most monied.
Victoria Nuland and her neocons have been setting the stage for an all out war.
Obama and the Fed see this as a way out of the financial mess.
If Iraq wants Turkey out, they should stay out.
This conflict can get serious really fast.
I agree with you yogibear, and I am very angry with the collaborators in our own country who disgrace the USA with their zionist-led war crimes, all for the Internationale, the globalists; the destroyer of worlds.
Turks are like vampires. They are training the peshmerga Kurdish fighters while exterminating and killing other kurds.
Just as they used = Janissaries (forcefully taken 4-5 year old boys from occupied christian countries- Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary during the Ottoman times) now they are using the same methods against the Kurds.
If a sinkhole opens and swallows Turkey non of its neighbors will drop a tear.
israel and turkey want to create a puppet kurdish state in northern syria.
It seems less than certain that the Turkish military will continue along Erdogan's path. And the urbanites in the west, at least as I understand it, largely despise Erdogan.
The poor fucking Kurds have been everyone's pawns and victims for over a century, or more.
Which is why the US has quietly been building an AF base in N. Syria.
That should be banned by Syria (Assad), as it amounts to an Invasion. Assad is running out of time real fast, in the matter of having the Russians close Syria to all foreign powers that do not have the approval of the Syrian gov. (BTW, I've been harping on this for weeks and weeks.)
You need to shift gears.
It's no longer about secrets. Any old excuse will do. There are no repercussions, so what does it matter if the lie is fourth-grade BS?
The parasites are not going away. I don't think it is avoidable at this point. The US .gov is going to fight with someone. Be it another country or their own people.
I'm generally better-disposed toward the Kurds than toward the Turks, but the Kurds are no angels (and indeed, given their geographic situation, they couldn't be).
A very large proportion of the Armenian Genocide was carried out by the Kurds, who were gifted with "Anatolian Kurdistan" (formerly known as "Armenia") as payment for services rendered.
Turkey's Donmeh jew rulers slaughter anyone in the way of their plots.
Christendom has been protected by others in the Middle East - and used as collateral damage by the 'jews who are not jews'; the ones who profit off the ISIS mercenaries wrecking the Middle East, and trading off stolen oil filtered through ports in Turkey and Israel; all documented and known by anyone with honest eyes to see, and name.
Up sooner than the bandits would like: The Hague; prosecution for war crimes.
Obama can keep his healthcare and illegal immigration Hoax on terrorism.
We'll keep the Dillon Aero M134 Minigun. You won't servive the Gun law or climate change mandate under the US Constitutional Laws of the Republic.
All Turkey needs is a little nudge from Russia, and it will be on. Public opinion in Turkey will shift like lightning. After that, anything could happen.
Your point is key! What will the Turkish public make of the drive towards war, a war Turkey can ill afford. The election was rigged, Turks know that. How stable is the population. What will they put up with, what will make them take to the streets?
NATO is the deadringer of this game. BIBI thinks he has outwitted the global community and will ask for more US financial aid.
This zionist cunt has to go. He is a Zionist, not a jewish-christian supporter.
We can bury this fucker in the Nevada desert.
I don't know if Turkey can't afford it, perhaps none of they players can... But Turkey is building up for a long time, i think they will not hold back, in fact they maybe looking for it
Turkey is a deeply divided country, a little more liberal and looking somewhat to the EU in its Agean side while in its center and east very Islamic fundamentalist. The most recent election returned more power to the AKP so there is your answer.
The more threats that mad dog Erdogan can engineer the more most Turkish voters will support him.
Erdogan is racing Turkey toward disaster.
I ask myself those questions about the American People.
And remember, Ukraine is still a question that may be going to get answered. Nuland arrived today and with the US ambassador, went straight to SBU headquarters in Kiev. SBU is Ukraine's CIA. Biden is coming in a day or two and will address the Ukrainian Rada [parliament].
The Ukrainian army has been bring thousands of men and hundreds of tanks to the contact line with the rebels, a clear open public violation of Minsk2.
I fear, but can't prove, that the USA will trigger conflict is one giant move. Iraq and Turkey stand at the brink after Turkey invaded ilegally. Syria has American troops moving in and building an air base. Finally Ukraine has Nuland and Biden in talks with the secet police of Ukraine, while huge army formations move into jumping off positions.
What is Obama doing and thinking? Nobody cares, because he does not command the CIA, the NSA, the Pentagon or NATO. America has an elite that rules and Obama is the black face puppet.
If what I wrote above does not worry you, you are very calm in the face of potential disaster.
Nice job, missing your top notch posts.
+1000
JFK only talked about controlling the CIA and a rogue group within the CIA killed him. This was admitted by Howard Hunt video taped by his son before he died.
Democracy in the US has been subverted by a Deep State controlled by those you describe.
I think we are in great danger.
Hope Russia is upping its Mfg of FOABs. They may need them sooner than they realize.
Ditto for Carpet-bombs, which are well suited for targeting columns of oil trucks. Perhaps rocket-propelled Daisy cluster bombs can do the same job. They need decisive victories fast (a Blitzkrieg!), to have the requisite psychological impact that deters aggressors from further escalation.
Jack, thanks for this. I always look forward to your posts
Watch for hints in President's address tonight. If JB is correct, decision to escalate in Ukraine will certainly lead to more brinksmanship with NATO and in Middle East. Seems the lines are drawn which involves too many vested interests and only needs a spark to cause chaos. This is stuff Wars are made of----time to back off, hold peace conferences and seek solutions. Move by US in Ukraine or Crimea, Turkey against Kurds, or US overkill in Syria will lead to disaster. ISIS will only gain influence under this scenario. Yes, I am worried and so should the President responsible for foriegn policy and national security.
Keep in mind the satanic nature of these f's. It's 9 days until the next fed meeting and their threats of rate increases and 19 days til Christmas. The satanists have something BIG in the works. I can sense it in my bones. Be prepared. The Bolshies are.
Donetsk (DPR) PM Alexander Zakarchenko has said there will be NO Minsk 3.
If Kiev moves against DPR and LPR - they will get their asses kicked....again. The Ukie conscripts do not want to be there, DPR and LPR gained a lot of tanks, BMPs, artilerry, and many other weapons after the past 2 cauldrons where the Ukies and mercs fled. I am also sure Russia has quietly given DPR and LPR more toys.
DPR and LPR have also been training since the last cauldron and are like a real army now. I think that DPR could probably take on and beat most western European armies including the Brits and Germans if they have air cover.
In addition, if things get hairy then DPR and LPR can get help from putin's Chechen pal - Ramzan Kadyrov. He told Putin that if he needs 20,000 fighters or less - he will provide them at any time. He really likes Putin and Russia.
Jack Burton, The best analyst in the business, certianly the best here at ZH, Tks. Jack
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Nothing would be funnier if after all of the money and effort the US has spent murdering Iraq than for Russia and Iran to commandeer the country. What is absolutely sad is that is probably the best thing that could happen for the people of Iraq. Russia may ask nothing more than favorable oil infrastructure access and a base or two. These evil bastards have left the door wide open for Putin to be the received as a saint, all he has to do is survive and not massively slaughter children at this point and he is golden.
Don't be surprised if Russia becomes the hope of the free world, whether that is deserved or not, his opposition is effing Mordor.
But will Americans wake up, and challenge the traitors among them? That will affect the future of the USA, imo.