Iraq May Seek "Direct Military Intervention From Russia" To Expel Turkish Troops

Tyler Durden's picture

Turkey just can’t seem to help itself when it comes to escalations in the Mid-East. 

First, Erdogan intentionally reignited the conflict between Ankara and the PKK in an effort to scare the public into nullifying a democratic election outcome. Then, the Turks shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian border. Finally, in what very well might be an effort to protect Islamic State oil smuggling routes, Erdogan sent 150 troops and two dozen tanks to Bashiqa, just northeast of Mosul in a move that has infuriated Baghdad. 

We discussed the troop deployment at length on Saturday in “Did Turkey Just Invade Iraq To Protect Erdogan's ISIS Oil Smuggling Routes?,” and you’re encouraged to review the analysis in its entirety, but here was our conclusion:

The backlash underscores the fact that Iraq does not want help from NATO when it comes to fighting ISIS. Iraqis generally believe the US is in bed with Islamic State and you can bet that Russia and Iran will be keen on advising Baghdad to be exceptionally assertive when it comes to expelling a highly suspicious Turkish presence near Najma. 

You’re reminded that Iran wields considerable influence both politically and militarily in Iraq. The Iraqi military has proven largely ineffective at defending the country against the ISIS advance and so, the Quds-backed Shiite militias including the Badr Organisation, Asaib Ahl al-Haq and Kataib Hezbollah have stepped in to fill the void (see our full account here).

Of course that means that the Ayatollah looms large in Iraq and when it comes to loyalty, both the militias and a number of Iraqi lawmakers pledge allegiance to Tehran and more specifically to Qassem Soleimani. The point is this: Iran is not going to stand idly by and let America and Turkey put more boots on the ground in Iraq which is why just hours after Ash Carter announced that The Pentagon is set to send in more US SpecOps, Kataib Hezbollah threatened to hunt them down and kill them. Not coincidentally, PM Haider al-Abadi rejected a larger US troop presence just moments later. 

Now, Abadi has given Turkey 48 hours to get its troops out of Iraq or else.

Or else what?, you might ask. Well, or else Baghdad will appeal to the UN Security Council where Russia and China would likely support the Iraqi cause.

But that’s a little too meek of a solution for some Iraqi politicians including Hakim al-Zamili, the head of Iraq's parliamentary committee on security and defense who said on Sunday that Iraq “may soon ask Russia for direct military intervention in response to the Turkish invasion and the violation of Iraqi sovereignty.”

"Iraq has the ability to repel these forces and drive them out of Iraqi territory. We could also request Russia to intervene militarily in Iraq in response to Turkish violation of Iraqi sovereignty," he told Al-Araby al-Jadeed. 

Well guess what? Hakim al-Zamili is a somebody.

He was arrested in 2007 by Iraqi and American troops while holding a high ranking office in the Health Ministry. Zamili was charged with sending millions of dollars to Shiite militants who subsequently kidnapped and killed Iraqi civilians. Sunni civilians. More specifically, the US suspected Zamili “of using his position to run a rogue unit of the Mahdi Army, the Shiite militia that claims loyalty to the cleric Moktada al-Sadr,” The New York Times reported at the time, adding that he was accused of “flooding the Health Ministry's payroll with militants, embezzling American money meant to pay for Iraq's overworked medical system and using Health Ministry 'facilities and services for sectarian kidnapping and murder.''

Here’s an interesting account from NPR ca. 2010, after parliamentary elections: 

At Friday prayers yesterday in Baghdad's Sadr City slum, one man in a gray suit seemed to attract as much attention as the preachers speaking over the P.A.


After a sermon that praised both armed and political resistance to the occupation of Iraq, many from the crowd of thousands rushed up to the front to congratulate Hakim al-Zamili, who appears to have won a resounding mandate as a member of parliament from Baghdad.


Though a celebrity here in Sadr City, many Iraqis call him a war criminal. Zamili was the deputy health minister during the ramp-up to Iraq's civil war, and he's accused of turning the ministry's guards into a Shia death squad, kidnapping and killing hundreds of Sunnis. Another ministry official who denounced Zamili disappeared and is presumed dead.


After being arrested and held over a year by the Americans, an Iraqi court acquitted Zamili after a brief trial.


“If I were really involved in those crimes, the courts would have convicted me,” Zamili said. 


Anyway, the point is that as we’ve been saying for months, Shiite politicians along with Iran-backed militias now control Iraq, which has essentially been reduced to a colony of Tehran.

There will be no unilateral decisions on the part of the US or Turkey to place troops in the country without pushback from Baghdad and everyone involved knows that when Baghdad pushes back, it means Iran disapproves.

As Zamili’s warning makes clear, Iraq (and thereby Iran) won’t be shy about calling in the big guns from Moscow when they feel the situation demands it - and the militas won't be shy about targeting the "invaders."

"Turkish interests in Iraq will now be a legitimate target because of Turkey's assault on Iraqi territories," Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada, one of the Shia militias of the Popular Mobilisation said in a statement. Similarly, Harakat al-Nujaba called Turkey "a terrorist state." You're reminded that these groups have a reputation for fearing no one other that Khamenei himself. Not the US, not Turkey, not ISIS, no one:

We close with what Zamili said after the establishment of the Baghdad-based joint intelligence cell comprising officials from Iran, Russia, Syria, and Iraq: 

“The idea is to formalize the relationship with Iran, Russia and Syria. We wanted a full-blown military alliance.”

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Bonus color from ISW:

The recent deployment into northern Iraq differs from past deployments in three ways. First, Turkey does not appear to have undertaken the action in order to contain the PKK directly, as there is no significant PKK activity in or around Bashiqa. The base is also located too far from other priority territory for the PKK, including Sinjar west of Mosul, to be used as an effective staging point for future operations against the PKK. Second, the Turkish battalion, deployed to an area within the Disputed Internal Boundaries (DIBs) – areas that have substantial Kurdish populations but remain outside of Iraqi Kurdistan. Turkey likely intends to support Barzani and the KDP in securing control over the DIBs while also positioning its own forces to better influence what forces participate in the future operation to recapture Mosul, formerly an ethnically diverse city including Arabs, Kurds, and Turkmen. Third, the Turkish deployment came only four days after Defense Secretary Ashton Carter announced that additional U.S. Special Operations Forces (SOF) would deploy to Iraq to conduct raids and intelligence-gathering in Iraq and Syria, an announcement that generated denunciations from the Shi’a political parties and threats of no-confidence votes against the Prime Minister, forcing PM Abadi to reject publicly the presence of foreign ground troops in Iraq. The Turkish troops thus deployed at a particularly sensitive time. 

Turkey also maintains close connections with key players in northern Iraq. Turkey has cooperated with Kurdistan Regional President Masoud Barzani since 2013, particularly over crude oil exports through the Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline. Barzani and Turkey share a mutual distrust of the PKK, and the KDP currently competes with the PKK for control over Sinjar district. Turkey also possesses close relations with former Ninewa Province governor Atheel al-Nujaifi, who maintains a camp of former local police and Arab fighters in Bashiqa called the “National Mobilization.” Turkish support was essential for Atheel al-Nujaifi’s elevation to the Ninewa governorship in 2009. Finally, Turkey has close relations Osama al-Nujaifi, Atheel’s brother and the leader of the Sunni Etihad bloc in the Council of Representatives (CoR). Turkey will likely leverage these connections in order to secure greater control over what armed and political actors participate in operations to recapture Mosul. In particular, Turkey will likely support the Nujaifis over Sunni Arabs with whom Turkey has not cultivated relations.

Turkey’s deployment of troops sparked strong rejection from the full spectrum of Iraqi political actors. Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi and Iraqi President Fuad Masoum strongly condemned the deployment as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty and demanded that Turkey conduct an immediate withdrawal. All major Shi’a parties denounced the deployment as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty, with a leading Sadrist official calling for Iraqi airstrikes on the Turkish force if it did not depart the country. Another pro-Maliki CoR member suggesting that “a Russian force” could intervene to expel the Turkish battalion.

The U.S. will not likely press Turkey on the issue, as anonymous U.S. defense sources merely indicated that the U.S. was "aware" of Turkey’s intentions. Iranian proxy militias, however, could challenge Turkey elsewhere in the country. Iran likely ordered Iranian proxy militias to kidnap 18 Turkish construction workers on September 2 in order to pressure Turkey into ordering Turkish-backed rebels to cooperate with a ceasefire around the besieged Shi’a majority towns of Fu’ah and Kifriya in northern Syria. The kidnappings provided sufficient leverage against Turkey and the kidnapped workers were released after Syrian rebels enacted a local ceasefire. Iran could pursue similar actions against Turkish assets in Baghdad or in southern Iraq.

This situation may escalate further if Iran views the deployment as threatening its vital strategic objectives in Iraq or Syria. Iran rejects any foreign forces other than their own on Iraqi soil and backs the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), Barzani’s rival in Iraqi Kurdish politics trying to contest his control over the Kurdistan regional presidency. Iranian proxies also recently sparred violently with the Peshmerga in Tuz Khurmato in eastern Salah al-Din proxies on November 12.

Shi’a parties will use the episode to pressure PM Abadi to strongly reject foreign intervention, particularly if reports that Turkey and Barzani signed an agreement to establish a permanent Turkish base in Bashiqa are correct. These calls could complicate U.S. plans to additional Special Operations Forces (SOF) to Iraq to as a “specialized expeditionary targeting force” that will conduct raids and intelligence-gathering in Iraq and Syria.

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Golden Showers's picture

Iraq strikes back... Little fuzzy on the facts, but what the US did to the Kurds in Iraq One was pretty shitty. Think they were left to the slaughter. Might the cradle of civilization become Kurdistan? I rather like that. Payback time.

Can't help but think of Sam Jackson shouting "Say 'Democracy' again!"

On a street level, the US can't punk every country without someone pulling card and pushing back. This USA is the greatest achievement of human governance and is being destroyed from inside by terrorists, communists, liberal shit-eating payees, zionists, NGO's and a guy born in Kenya. What the US civilian gets is the government they deserve.

That government is a drug pushing organized crime syndicate. Murderers. Money launderers. Pimps. Thieves and Liars. Ministry called it a long time ago.

rsnoble's picture

Turkey reminds me of the little kid that constantly provokes but no one fuks with because of his big brother.

Eventually someone won't care.  Like another little kid with a big brother.

ThrowAwayYourTV's picture

Good luck with that but ah, Turkey would crush Russia right now and Putin knows it, or should know it. Putin playing tough but he aint stupid when it comes to fucking with Turkey.

Mr. Cynic's picture

Someone's a little confused.  Exactly how would Turkey "crush" Russia?

I Write Code's picture

>Iraqis generally believe the US is in bed with Islamic State

Um, whaddaya mean "Iraqis", you mean the Shia rump in Baghdad run by Iran?

The Sunni Iraqis believe the same thing, but they'd be all for it, mostly.

I dunno who's doing what to whom in northern Iraq, but I think Russia and Putin are going to want to finish up in Syria before moving into Iraq, and good luck with that.

Luther van Theses's picture

Finally somebody gets it right! It is absurd to speak of "Iraq" as if it were a sovereign country. It's not a minor point. Occupied, plundered Iraq, the object of contention among so many thieves, foremost the U.S. and Iran, is a major danger to world peace. If the world must pay WW III as the price of its callous disregard for the suffering of the Iraqi people, only one thing will be able to be said: what goes around comes around.

Jack Burton's picture

I apologize for the confusion, it was hard to pin this story down. Now Russian sources confirm. READ!


For the first time since the U.S. President Barack Obama announced an aerial campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) in Syria, the Anti-ISIS Coalition of predominately Arab states have struck a Syrian Arab Army (SAA) camp in the Syrian province of Deir Ezzor, killing 1 soldier and wounding half dozen others on Sunday evening.
According to a military source from the Syrian Arab Army’s 104th Airborne Brigade of the Republican Guard, a U.S. warplane struck the military camp belonging to the SAA’s 137th Artillery Brigade (17th Reserve Division) in the village of ‘Ayyash, killing 1 soldier instantly and leaving 6 soldiers in critical condition – including an officer.
The Syrian Arab Army’s 137th Brigade has been protecting the civilians in the village of ‘Ayyash from the swarming ISIS fighters that are attempting to break into the provincial capital of the Deir Ezzor Governorate from the northern flank; this airstrike only boosted ISIS’ positions inside this village and the nearby broadcast tower.
Spiritof42's picture
Spiritof42 (not verified) Jack Burton Dec 6, 2015 10:46 PM

Looks like the US is trying to provoke Russian into shooting down one of its planes. Thinking out loud about what I would do if I was Putin. I would supply the SAA with S300s. Maybe they are doing that now, but it takes more time and training.

Joenobody12's picture

Shoot the fucking thing down .Dont they have ground to air missleS ? 

bid the soldiers shoot's picture

Until your post I only saw this story in Sputnik and The Guardian.  Now you say it has been confirmed by a military source from the Syrian Arab Army’s 104th Airborne Brigade of the Republican Guard.

It may be true.  But it still is not reported in Tass or RT.  Also it does not appear in the NYT, the WaPo, or the London Independent.

If the story is not taken up tomorrow, it must have been planted by the Russians to justify an upcoming operation.

Maybe it's Russian reverse logic: it cancels out yesterday's propaganda in The Times of Israel, who reported an attack on a Syrian convoy transporting ballistic missiles that doesn't seem to have happened.

The Russian twist is not that the Turks or Americans were hit, but that the Syrians were.

On the other hand, you may be right.  As you usually are.

Jack Burton's picture
Iraq’s National Security Council, headed by Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi, has announced that Turkey has 48 hours to withdraw from Iraq’s territory before it uses “all available options.”
The Shi’ite militia, Kataib Hezbollah, that is backed by Iran released a statement promising to retaliate against the Turkish incursion that is violating Iraqi sovereignty.
In the last 24 hours, Turkey has stated it will deploy up to 2000 troops in Iraq, up from a few hundred. They claim they were legally asked by the Kurdish Regional Government to help in the fight against ISIS. Baghdad claims they are the only sole legitimate government in Iraq. 24 hours left. Yet Turkey vows to send in 2,000 more troops! Turkey is not going to stop.
HenryHall's picture

Iraq has a small air-force of its own. And Russia will help with spare parts for the elderly aircraft if needed.

The Iraq air-force should be bombing the Turkish base near Mosul. Not calling on some outside party to do it. Not at least until/unless Turkey fights back that is.

Johnny Horscaulk's picture
Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) Jack Burton Dec 6, 2015 11:03 PM

Jack, in case you missed it/were interested - Grant Smith on Pollard:

media sure got quiet on him, huh?

opport.knocks's picture

Anyone who reads the both financial and geopolitical articles on ZH must know that the pieces are all just being put in place for WWIII.

Global debt is unsustainable, and the US government debt is the worst.

War is necessary to provide the pretext to press the giant debt reset button. The US has been trying hard to get Russia to start it, first in Ukraine and now Syria/Turkey. No matter, there will always be the tried and true false flag.

Obama is coming for America's weapons, not because of the mass shootings. TPTB know when the public finds out their Social Security funds were simply expropriated by government, the public will be coming for them. 

22winmag's picture

Had to burn the nation state to save the nation state.

talisman's picture

I can't see that Russia will assist Iraq in the same manner that
Russia supports Syria.  Russia has had a very long-standing relationship
as well as an important strategic alliance with Syria,

Far more likely is that Iran will increase its full support of Iraq,
bearing in mind the strong Shia links between Iran and Iraq.

Note: as a reminder of the Shia element in Iraq, last week
some 26 MILLION Shia  (yes, 26 MILLION people)
converged on the city of Kerbala peacefully and in total
harmoney with each other for the annual Arbaeen pilgramage
despite the curreint ISIS situation in Iraq
Abaeen is consistently one of the largestand most peaceful
gatherings. throughout history 

yellowsub's picture

Why didn't Iraq just ask the US for support, they are willing to go to war to defend nation's sovereignty in the South China Seas.  Won't they do the same for you?

Joenobody12's picture

Iraq may have already asked Russia to bomb the fuckers. If Russia says yes the Iraqi will then formally ask - for the benefit of the media.

onmail1's picture

Read the future :

Russia hoped to liberate Syria from western terrorists ISIS

When the end is near, all parties invade Syria, reason has been created

West & Russia pound Syria , ISIS is exterminated

West now demands bifurcation of Syria (as in Germany post WW2)

West demands oil rich east & oil free west to Assad regime

(with east syria with West , read Turkey, imagine the possibilities)

Situation unacceptable to Russia

West & Russia go to war

First in middle east , there is nuclear war


Freddie's picture

From Moon over Alabama:

Erdogan moves to annex Mosul, Iraq.

If this is true then Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah and Russia need to step up their game.

Iran calls many of the shots in Iraq.  They need to eject the Turks as fast as possible and Russia should try to help out Iraq.

debunker's picture

Turkey (NATO), Syria, Iraq, Russia and USA =  start of WW3

uhland62's picture

Turkey needs to be kicked out of NATO as they have a civil war in their country, with the Kurds. If NATO cannot apply their rules, that is concerning because it makes them liars, cheats, and opportunists. 

bjax's picture

There are acutally two Turkeys in play here. Turkey and the US.

dogismycopilot's picture

The Turkish invasion of Cyprus was also to be temporary - 1974 is when it occured and the fucking Turks are still there. It is the land that time forgot. Abandoned homes and car dealerships with dinner plates on the table and new cars in the show room - all frozen in time.

Iraq needs to act quickly to repel these invaders. I agree the Russians will bring in Iranian fighters for this while providing weapons and arms.

TURKEY IS DAESH/ISIS/ short, barbaric assholes. Recep is the regime to change.

Joenobody12's picture

The West will still obey their president Natanyahu until the Allahu-Arbars in Pakistan joins the ISIL . By which time it will be to late to stop the sun from showing up over their fucking heads , if only for a split second.

bid the soldiers shoot's picture

Let me get this straight.

Turkey has sent a force over it's border with Iraq and is establishing a fortified position on Iraq's sovereign territory.  Iraq has asked Turkey to withdraw its men and armor from it's land, which Turkey has refused to do.

Iraq is going to bring this to the attention of the UNSC if Turkey fails to leave.

This reminds me of a similar situation that happened last year not too far away.  I can't think of the name right now, but "puke brain" rings a bell.

Zero-Hegemon's picture

Turks in Iraqi ground space? Shoot them up!

Joe A's picture

Russia runs the risk getting sucked further into the conflict. Nevertheless, there is an issue. If the Russiand along with the Iraqies would engage the Turks on Iraqi soil then Turkey cannot envoke NATO's art. 5. If they would no European country will come to help them. Erdogan has made so many enemies in Europe right now they will drop him the moment they can.

cwsuisse's picture

I hope you are right. Leading politicians in Europe however are backing NATO's aggressive stance and most of the citizens did not yet understand what is going on.

Joe A's picture

Well, Europe is weak and easy to divide. We still look for America to protect us. But America is endangering us with its reckless conflicts in the ME and its proxy wars with Russia (that we after all share a continent with). But European countries really as pissed off by Erdogan's blackmail. I think the citizens are waking up. Turkey's behaviour has been quite an eye opener. That is also due to the fact that Europeans due to the immigration flows of the past are not too fond of Turks. People are becoming aware that countries such as Turkey, SA and Qatar are supporting IS. All around Europe you now see the far right rising. I am not particularly fond of these parties but their rise is because of the bad policies of the left and moderate right.

cwsuisse's picture

On the long run the smuggled oil is of little economic  relevance to Turkey. The quantities that are currently purchased give income to ISIS (DAESH), that it is. Turkey however is obviously interested to occupy a part of northern Iraq including its oil wells. The additional territory could also be used for a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey. Instead of an indpendent state run by the Kurds the administration of Turkey wants to expand it's own territory to the south. There it is again: NATO serves as an umbrella to aggressively expand territory (for the EU to grasp the Ukraine and for Turkey to grasp northern Iraq). The NATO is confronted in this latest move by opposition vom Iraq, Russia, Syria and Iran which might also expect some backing from China. This is a very dangerous path and this path to war is not endorsed by the population of Europe. 

Wahooo's picture

The Turks have slaughtered thousands of Assyrians in past centuries in lands now called Iraq. Fucking Turks have been at it for millenia. I hope Putin and the Ayatollah bring out the whoopin' sticks.

Fed_is_Love's picture

They should shoot the 100 special muslim sympathizers that congress put into Iraq.

Claim it to be to protect the sovereignty of Iraq.

alphahammer's picture
alphahammer (not verified) KashNCarry Dec 7, 2015 9:14 PM


Lets not forget the flesh eating bactaria thats sweeping through Syria courtesy of ISIS...

Maestro Maestro's picture

Putin, you're a lying faggot.

If you really meant business, you would stop selling oil for dollars IMMEDIATELY.

That you don't,


that you're a lackey of the American, European and Jewish bankers.

The more power to them.

You other Iraqis and Syrians,

The Russians who are ultimately partners of the West,

will not help you attain better lives.

By the way,

You're all a bunch of animals bent on violence and perceived self interest



The Americans.

bid the soldiers shoot's picture

The Patriot's Dream:

The United States of Masestro Maestro

Maestro Maestro's picture

I humbly refuse to be the philosopher king du jour.

bid the soldiers shoot's picture

And the plot thickens

Following the US-led airstrikes on Ayash military base in Deir ez-Ezzor, it has been confirmed that 1 Syrian Arab Army soldier has been killed with reports circulating that as many as 4 were killed, 13 wounded and 2 tanks destroyed.


It has been confirmed that ISIS immediately attacked Ayash military base immediately following the airstrikes.



The Syrian Arab Army have been in control of the Ayash military base for the entirety of the war, questioning American intelligence whether this was a deliberate attack.


Some reports are claiming it was a friendly fire incident by the Russian air force

bid the soldiers shoot's picture

@ 5am Pacific from the Washington Post

army position and killing three soldiers in an airstrike overnight Sunday, the first such allegation of its kind since the United States launched an air campaign against the Islamic State in Syria 14 months ago.

The U.S. military swiftly denied that coalition warplanes were operating in the area at the time, but the allegation nonetheless sent tensions soaring in Syria’s crowded skies.

U.S. warplanes did conduct strikes in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour overnight, but the targets were 55 kilometers (34 miles) from the location that the Syrian government said was hit, according to Col. Steve Warren, the U.S. military spokesman for the campaign.

The Russian air force also carried out strikes in the province of Deir al-Zour overnight Sunday, Warren said, speaking from Baghdad. But he said but he did not know whether the Russians may have been responsible for the attack that allegedly struck the Syrian army position.

At the same time, the Syrian opposition charged that an air raid carried out by Syrian government forces struck civilians in the Sukkari neighborhood of Syria's northern city of Aleppo.

The Syrian government’s accusation illustrated the danger that misunderstandings or misinformation could trigger a wider conflict as Russia and the United States lead separate, rival air campaigns to combat the threat posed by the Islamic State.

And now the game of control of the skies over Syria begins with this claim that the US bombed the Syrian army position .

You may begin microwaving the popcorn.

alphahammer's picture


Russia can't hit ISIS. They CAN hit Iranian Generals and Syrian troops...

Meanwhile, the US gets Jihady John and has a kill order directly on al-Baghdadi. We will get that douche -- just ask Osama...

When the US or coalition partner kills al-Baghdadi, what is Putin going to say? So very embarassing...

swamp's picture
US-led coalition warplanes are reported to have killed four Syrian soldiers in the Dier al Zor province, which is mostly under the control of Islamic State. If confirmed, this would be the first time coalition planes have hit Syrian troops, Reuters reports.

A Syrian government source confirmed that the airstrike had taken place and that there had been casualties. The source also added that vehicles had been destroyed.

A total of four Syrian Army soldiers have been killed, while a further 16 were injured, a government source told RIA Novosti.

smacker's picture are reporting this bombing this morning.

According to a Syrian spokesman, a complaint has been sent to the UN but no response is expected.

Youri Carma's picture
Turkey says has duty to protect soldiers in Iraq after Baghdad ultimatum
7 December 2015, by Daren Butler and Isabel Coles - Istanbul/Erbil (Reuters)
alphahammer's picture
alphahammer (not verified) Dec 7, 2015 9:07 PM


This so awesome!

So now, it looks like the Iraqis are telling everybody how it is gonna go down -- as they "may soon ask Russia for direct military intervention". In other words Russian soldiers getting killed for Iraq.  sure, Let the Iraqis drag the Russians further into the quagmire.

Once again, Putin "the chess player" in way over his head. Couldn't make this shit up if I tried...

Setarcos's picture

You are truly clueless mate.