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San Bernardino Attack Eye-Witness: "Three Tall White Men Did It"
Submitted by Shepard Ambellas via Intellihub.com,
A few interesting details have surfaced regarding Wednesday’s mass shooting dubbed ‘terror attack’ which killed 14 and injured 17 others. One of the most interesting comes from an eyewitness.
We now know that ATF investigators recovered police issued firearms from the alleged shooters. This key detail was leaked by 2016 GOP Presidential Candidate Carly Fiorina during a press interview after she had overheard a newsroom report that doesn’t fit the official narrative.
We also know that active shooter drills actually took place near the crime scene just days before and possibly even on the same day of the mass shooting as reported by Mac Slavo.
Additionally details from an eyewitness, who came forth on the day of the shooting, may have been overlooked by investigators and suggest that there were actually ‘three white shooters’ instead of the radicalized husband and wife natural-born killer team portrayed in some mainline reports.
The witness, Sally Abdelmageed, worked at Inland Medical Center where the attack took place and saw it all unfold firsthand. It’s also important to note that Abdelmageed is likely not lying and that this quite possibly might be the most accurate eyewitness account publicized to date. After all how can two shooters, a man and a petite woman, be mistaken for three white military men with athletic builds?
In a phone interview with CBS Abdelmageed explained:
"I heard shots fired and it was from you know an automatic weapon. [...] very unusual. Why would we hear shots? As we looked out the window a second set of shots goes off [...] and we saw a man fall to the floor. Then we just looked and we saw three men dressed in all black, military attire, with vests on they were holding assault rifles. As soon as they opened up the doors to building three [...] one of them [...] started to shoot into the room."
When asked what the gunman that shot into the room looked like the eyewitness replied:
"I couldn’t see a face, he had a black hat on […] black cargo pants, the kind with the big puffy pockets on the side [...] long sleeve shirt [...] gloves [...] huge assault rifle [...] six magazines […] I just saw three dressed exactly the same”.
“You are certain you saw three men,” the newscaster asked Abdelmageed.
“Yes,” said Abdelmageed.
“It looked like their skin color was white. They look like they were athletic build and they appeared to be tall.”
In a shill-like manner the CBS reporter responded, “And of course we just learned that one suspect was a woman.”
To boot it also appears as if the suspects legal team believes their clients may have been made out by authorities and/or the media to be patsies further allowing for gun control narratives to be pushed onto the public. The suspects legal team also questions the validity of the Sandy Hook shooting which some believe never took place and may have been a live active shooter drill, using crisis actors, perpetuated by the establishment media as a ‘mass shooting’ as covered heavily by Intellihub in the past.
“President Barack Obama will make a rare primetime address to the nation Sunday laying out how he will keep Americans safe and defeat the Islamic State group, days after 14 people were shot dead in California,” AFP reports.
May I now ask the question: what the hell is going on here?
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I saw an interview with the lawyers for the "shooters" call out Sandy Hook and crisis actors. I couldn't believe it. Priceless.
Ohh boy. There we go again.
Not even a week later, this time.
Now even myself is confused, perhaps, the one in the German airplane might have been two.
Tashfeen was a petite little thing. Seems you'd notice that. Watch the triage footage again. Fake as hell. No blood, no urgency. Hope Robbie Parker didn't lose another l'il daughter....
im here in Australia and the first news sources we got all said 3 assailants on the loose
next day, its only two and no clarifications or questions as to the original assessment of 3
I found it odd that all the alleged assailents "fled" the crime scene and then miraculously "returned" just a couple hours later. That to me was the initial red flag.
Andthey had a pipe bomb factory, yet they apparently didn't know how to make working pipe bombs. Seems like something they would have figured out before setting up a factory.
You may ask what the hell is going on if you wish but you won't get an answer. It is fairly simple to tell when you are being lied to, twin towers for example, but what is the real story? That is much much harder to determine and when I hear someone say they KNOW THE ANSWER then I know I'm being lied to again. Dang, the BS alarm has been going off for so long and so loud for it's driving me crazy.
Not one vid or still of suspects in action.
In gov't office of 700+ employees, likely with armed guards, metal detectors & cameras everywhere.
Not one vid of suspects seen from Paris 1 or 2, Sandy Hook, Aurora, DC Navy yard, OR college, Ft Hood or Virginia Tech.
Fart in a subway & it's on TMZ, but shoot up an office & nothing.
OK...
i was on it as soon as the tv stations started their coverage
fox quoted the la times stating that there were 3 shooters
cnn reported that there were three shooters
fox and cnn both said witnesseS reported 3 shooters
I took the opposite view. I didn't pay attention to any of it. These are coming at every two months now. The "powers" are running out of time and they're desperate.
Anyone who's pulled back the curtain knows these are ALL setups. I think even the sheeple are getting disinterested because the media was full scale "in your face" as they have to scream it out for us to hear.
My big worry...... Boston. A whole city shut down and shaking in their boots. Disgusting show of bravery and patriotism.
The next one will be on a grander scale. And the next.....
Don't forget about the fact they let the media storm into the apartment a few days after this all went down. As if the FBI would ever let the media near a crime scene of that magnitude. RIGHT.....
Jade Helm, they said.
No big deal, they said.
Its being run with the assistance of an AI, they uh alleged.
It's amazing how incompetent the government is suggested to be at all aspects of governance, management, and organization when it's convenient...
And yet at the same time, be incredibly adept at false flags when that narrative is convenient.
Government can't run healthcare, can't run disaster relief, cannot even run basic insurance, and yet staging 9/11 hey noooo problem lol
I see your point, but 911 was two planes flying. That's it. Obviously, they did a piss poor job at the whole thing or no one would be demanding the truth. Each of these false flag events were botched. That's why we are talking about them. As long as the media reports what it's told
I disagree. They did an incredible job considering they HAVE gotten away with it.
Americans always have a fondness for nutjob conspiracy theories.
Are you sure it wasn't done by alien mercenaries operating out of Area 51?
It seems ZeroHedge (mostly Americans) still has not come to grasps with Islamic extremism and how quickly those people can radicalise and dismiss everything as a "false flag," whereas most Europeans (except the politically correct ones) are well aware of the HUGE problem The Powers That Be are importing!
A couple of hundred thousand people with an Islamic background are NOT the same as a couple of hundred thousand illegal Mexicans who have a similar European cultural and religious background as most WASP Americans!
Most French, Dutch, Belgians and Germans know what it's like to live with people who refuse to integrate, but would rather love to destroy the very country/culture that welcomed them with open arms.
+1 Bokkenrjider for highlighting that immigration in Europe is a different affair then in the US
-1 for forgetting that we do have here millions of people with an "Islamic background" who are integrated or in the process
for example Turks in Germany and Austria, and so on
yes, we also do have some that refuse to integrate and "would rather love to destroy the very country/culture that welcomed them with open arms", aka "radicals"
oh, okay...wow, I guess we're just supposed to believe this because another musloid said it is so, then right????
Lemme get this straight: Emphasis mine below
The witness, Sally Abdelmageed (the musloid), worked at Inland Medical Center where the attack took place and saw it all unfold firsthand. It’s also important to note that Abdelmageed (the musloid) is likely not lying and that this quite possibly might be the most accurate eyewitness account publicized to date. After all how can two shooters, a man and a petite woman, be mistaken for three white military men with athletic builds?
So there you have it. Since it's supposedly "not likely" that the musloid is not lying then I guess it's case-fucking-closed, folks! How about that??!!
We're just supposed to fall for the Chewbaca Defense, is that it? Chewbaca's a Wookie so he can't possibly be from Endor, or some bullshit like that???
I'm usually one of the first to think False Flag over the last several years, especially when it comes to the subject of shootings and the treasonous gov-scum agenda to use any shootings (except for the ones that occur in Chicago, Baltimore, or the District of Criminals) against Americans and our 2nd Amendment.
And yes, the craziness of this shooting does seem very odd, most fucked up of all being that the police let dozens of media stomp all over the fucking evidence at these scumbags house which was supposedly set up with boobie traps! What the fuck is that all about? Never in a million years has anyone seen anything like that happen and I, for one, want answers about that.
But for this person to write this stupid-ass article about some musloid who thinks she saw something so this assholes writes something as idiotic as she "is likely not lying" about whatever the fuck her supposed eye witness account of the shootings was is fucking ridiculous. Back it up with facts.
Until then, stop writing bullshit about "white guys" shooting up the joint without any fucking evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s45OeXNRZng
White San Bernadino cops gun down middle-eastern couple on their honeymoon. News at eleven.
Like we're supposed to believe a woman with an Islamic last name like Abdelmageed?
Sure, go ahead and blame it all on WHITE men. That's what Al Sharpton would do.
More than one witness reported 3 shooters.
Disinfo troll much?
Yes, some news media outlets initially reported more three shooters but none of them reported three tall WHITE male suspects.
You must disinfo troll a lot?
If the immigrants in the US are more likely to assimilate, it is because they are not welcomed with open arms
If the immigrants in the US don't assimilate, it is because they don't want to and they seek to change the U.S. into the hellholes they escaped from.
Spoken like a credible eye witness.
There's no such thing as a radicalized muslim or extremist muslim. You're giving their political ideology (not religion) a pass or responsibility for what they do. Do your research. They're doing what is described in the Medenian Koran. It's the peaceful Muslims that either haven't read their koran/sura/hadith or just call themselves muslim without knowing what's in their texts. There is no moderate or peaceful version, they know it or they don't. The moderate is in the same class as you and I, we are Kafirs. Educate yourself to shred the lies being fed to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyGC96ClcE
You should reads some Rumi. It will be good for your heart.
Spot on Bokken and Ghordius. In America if these were white guys that did it, the air waves in the media would be all over it, posting their pictures immediately. Of course we were once again in a gun free zone, funny how that works. So once again Obama wants to disarm honest law abiding citizens. They always forget criminals will get the firearms they need to commit a crime.
Our media is quite frankly a joke. They do not report on the EU countries raising barriers to Syrian immigrants or the protests in Europe over the refugee crisis. They forget that many politicals leaders clearly stated multi-culturism does not work, I have some good German friend and they get it perfectly.
Quite frankly I am tire of our media stating all of our shooters are mentally incompetant. Just another way to take away our rights as people. They are trying their best to get rid of our right to defend ourselves. They are taking aaway our right to privacy and due process. Instead our media wants to bomb its people with buy, buy, BUY!!!! after all its the patriotic thing to do.
I am just sick at how easy people are manipulated.
haha the government i know would end up bringing 3 planes or hitting the wrong buildings
Well, Gummint is relatively proficient one thing. Murder.
"Government" is just an umbrella term for a multitude of organizations. Most of which are shit at their respective functions simply because they have a monopoly on that particular service and therefore no incentive to improve. Military operations on the other hand, especially covert operations, are by definition highly incentivised towards competency.
You can fuck up your health care system and no other nation will invade you. Display miltary weakness on the other hand and you better start learning a new language.
LaoWei, it's simple, things they do not consider important, they do not do well. Veterans care for example. Things they consider important, like locking down the American people, they do well.
Then I suppose we should also let the CIA write healthcare and tax law.
Check out this capture of Farook's mother's ID card in the apartment:
http://imgur.com/iuxDu10
Dreamy eh? ;)
Biggest red flag ever. Completely unbelievable BS.
I think 911 was bigger but that's just me.
One guy with a pressure cooker of black powder. What would Americans do if a few divisions of heavily armed soldiers backed up by tanks and fighters and bombers swept into their cities? Right now they are under their beds crying and shitting their pants over a few random acts of violence.
Once a great nation.
Boston MA: Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave.
MassHoles!
The 'terrorists' lawyer said it appeared the couple was already cuffed inside the black SUV when they were shot by cops. They were not cuffed after being shot and pulled from the SUV like normal. One of the initial persuit reports described a suspect running from the SUV (dropped the rifle on the curb) and cops looking through the neighborhood for him, then they never mentioned it again. I also heard that they didn't find the SUV until four hours after the shooting. WTF did they do for four hours - stop for lunch at Olive Garden in their black tac gear and ski masks?
This sounds like another pro hit (Xe/Academi slumming for business), then the patsies are handcuffed and thrown in the SUV which proceeds to the pre-appointed kill zone. Driver flees, leaving the handcuffed 'terrorists' for cop target practice and MSM coverage.
Any witnesses that dispute the "Predetermined Narrative" will end up dead (or missing). Just like the two guys in Building 7 just before the collapse. Both died of heart attacks the day before they were set to testify at a Senate hearing. Some people just have lousy luck.
You can bet the NSA is hard at work gathering information on these contradictory witnesses in norder to use as leverage against them.
Who says the NSA is worthless?
Kinda like the JFK witnesses who slowly disappeared (dead.)
A person can allege whatever they want in a free society.
But being able to prove it can and will get you killed. Hence... Rumors.
@Vatican Cameo,
Do you have any more details or a link on those two witnesses? I don't remember hearing anything about it.
At least the Iranians waited until the day after he testified to kidnap and assassinate Abbas Yazdi. And then the ringleader for the kidnappers (and connection back to Iran) goes and conveniently dies in UAE police custody. Same shit everywhere when you get into bed with a State, which is inherently corrupt and evil.
Urban Redneck, a "state" is still one answer to the question of power (and violence)
power, on the other side, is known to be a corrupting influence, and corruption is what leads to evil
do you have a workable, tested and different answer?
since this very mess is full of private armies, private mercs, private interests pushing public/state responses...
... I would like to postulate that we would have the same mess (or even a bigger one) without any "state" actors
Religious fanaticism as well as "energy interests" "work their charm" independently from "States"
ISIS, for example, is there because of a "failure" of the Iraqi state... to monopolize power and violence on the Iraqi territory
I don't have a simple or easy or answer for that Gordian knot. The people need to find their own values and morality first (which can be difficult absent religion) and then the people need instill those values and morality in their government. The government is comprised of people (which a lot conspiracy theorists seem to forget) - they have coworkers, friends, neighbors and family. The number of everyone's most feared American boogeymen that I have worked with professionally is actually smaller than the number I know socially from growing up in certain circles in Washington. The nihilist zero sum mentality that often prevails in the gilded workplaces is not something that anyone other than a true psychopath can just switch off at 5pm.
+1 UR for the acknowledgement. In fact, I find you put the finger in the wound, literally: elites are always slightly more a-moral then the masses
the less morals, the less values the masses hold dear... the freer elites are
combine this with more distractions and less bourgeouis compunctions to "inspect and restrain" the "servant of the People" state... and that's where we are
Thanks. If you ever have an itch to watch the American version of amorality up close, reciprocity is less expensive and more sedate and enlightening than super-sized steak dinners on K street, but it seems a more Anglo-Saxon than continental fetish.
Urban Redneck,
Since you moved in certain government circles in DC can you speak about private sector labor unions takeover of the public sector labor force? Does AFLCIO president Richard Trumka have an outsized influence over the presidency, the congress & courts? None of what any of the 3 branches say gets done without bureaucratic enforcement.
The Bureaucracies' extra-legal "Administrative Law Judges" members have their own union. Their opportunities for collusion & graft must be tempting! http://www.aalj.org/
Am I unduly concerned about the consolidation of power through unionization of the bureaucracy? Is the Big Labor Lobby just another player in town; on par with the lobbyists of Sugar, Ethanol, Defense, the Chamber of Commerce, etc?
On CSPAN I have seen Richard Trumka hold forth in meetings with the press. He sits in the center of a big table along with the reporters. The reporters are deferential to say the least. Nobody ever mentions Eddie York to Richard Trumka.
Thanks for your insight.
Here's a shot of Herr Trumka in action: http://www.thesupernaturalist.com/ROTTENTRUMKA.htm
They must be getting really panicky in DC because these false flags are happening too often, very sloppy, leaving evidence everywhere, and focusing on gun control. So they must have some big nasty surprise in store but we're being prepped for it.
Then do your prepping too. I can't wait to see this month's gun sales.
I posted yesterday, here it is again. Notice his skin tone is much lighter than the ID they found in apartment.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/04/19/2F10A4EB00000578-3346500-im...
Someone who lives on the street said "Their are rumors on the street, but I don't want to talk about it."
My friend said San Bernadino is lawless, after the housing crash they just gave up on it. It is mostly Hispanic and
very little attention is paid to it.
I bought a house in 2010 in a bad neighborhood and the cops shot a guy in my alley, they let him bleed out and did not allow any rescue in. I had a a fight with the cops on the local newspaper comment section and they said to me "nobody in that neighborhood would be a credible witness.
That is why the ghetto is where cop crimes take place, I saw it. Because most residents are felons, doing crimes themselves.
I was the rare one I am not criminal and I have resources, then they scared me at 6am on the way to work, had a gun pointed right at my car.
I moved.
To me this is why San Bernadino was chosen, plus false flags are always in hardcore Democrat cities where the mayor hires the chief of police and the governor is friendly. You won't see a false flag with this president in a conservative city/state.
Think Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani was a primary perp of 9/11. Do some more homework ..
Believe me (or don't believe me); organized crime is an equal opportunity enterprise for both perps of the GOP and the DNC ..
https://youtu.be/jE2_qmlKFVU
Take your Hegelianism elsewhere ..
He is right about San Bernadino. It is a dead city. A few old timers who paid off their mortgage remain there. The rest are rentals. No one comes out in daytime. All windows and doors are covered in wrought iron bars/security doors. College brings the place to life but only on the campus. Rudy G is covered in the blood of the 911 victims, dripping blood. He was the one man who could have stopped this "not in my city." So...read his comment again maybe.
One morning, about 10-12 years ago, while working at a bank near Highland and Waterman, I wandered outside around 5AM, to take a break. At that moment, there happened to be a police helicopter hovering over the apartment complex behind the bank. It was close enough that I could clearly hear the cops shouting over the loudspeaker, "Jerome Jordan! Come out with your hands up!"
SBD...in fact, the entire IE, has long been a shithole. Over the years, I've passed through there many times, on the way up to BigBear. I've spent more time, than I care to admit, in Fontucky. Redlands is the nice area, and it is a shithole.
My grandparents lived in Riverside. I remember frequently watching police helicopters shining their spotlights on wtf-ever was going on below them. Riverside...cop copters at night. Roosters in the AM. Fucking noisy place.
I'm with paveway on this. I still cannot believe how reporters were given access to the house. A few years ago a court set a precedent allowing the media to lie about news:
http://www.projectcensored.org/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/
nuff said.
The correct answer is THERE IS NO MORE TRUTH.
They couldn't have been the shooters because we don't have their passports to prove it.
I don't know, the narrative seems off. If they wanted to get the guns, they would have used white patsies, not arabs. Arabs goes against the narrative, implying that we need more weapons to defend outselves against an outside threat.
But then, maybe Obama is just fucking stupid, like Erdogan.
This is more about "fighting ISIS" and going up Syria's ass.
they got the whites in there too. an 'expert' on cnn told everyone that this was likely the work of anti gov militia men. it had all the hallmarks.
This is about WWlll and if the US goes into Syria it will be war with Russia.
The road to Moscow goes through Damascus.
That was said back in Libya.
This is about getting the "moron millions" to
1. Support start of a WW3 in Syria
2. Divert attention from pending domestic USD "reset"
3. Get the guns
Glad to see some facts get out into the public though.
Two birds (ISIS & gun control) with one false flag stone... and anyone who wants to argue can waste time & energy arguing with eachother about who isn't responsible...
It's also important to keep everyone on edge ... so they behave. Check out "The Strategy of Tension". The reason for Operation Gladio. The mass murder of Europeans in terror bombings by NATO. The Bolzano/Boezen train station bombing for example.
And to the guy up thread who said these things don't happen in Republican run regions, What was Oklahoma City? What was Waco?
I am Jack's total and absolute lack of surprise.
LMAO.
That is plausible. Keep us in fear, and we'll go get them for you, in Syria.
I agree. Having become suspicious with the whole Sandy Hook thing, I was wtaching to see if anything looked odd. I quit my job a month ago so had all day long to watch this. I felt the whole thing seemed to be too calm without any urgency and then first responders casually sauntering down the road with a victim propped up on th gurney but no one was in a hurry. Then someone on Fox mentioned that the reason the cops were only 4 minutes away because a drill was going on nearby with over 150 participants. This certainly looked like a false flag except for 1 key thing.
The Muslim play is 100% opposite than how I think this would play out. It doesn't serve their purpose. The goal is confiscation of weapons and further tightening of the state. 3 white guys would definitely be the way to spin this but they didn't. We are missing something here or this is islamic violence (and Federal incompetence). There are so many contradictions and missteps I have no idea what the truth is and I think thats exactly the way they want it. I feel Im playing a chess game and Im trying to work through the next 4 moves and these guys are working through 10 moves.
Something is rotten in Denmark and Im not smart enough to figure it out.
Several people have noted that "Islamic terrorism doesn't fit the narrative for gun confiscation".
It's difficult to see what makes that assumption true, given that two gun control bills were introduced and thankfully voted down within 24 hours of the event.
Rather, it seems that may not be the only goal this time. This narrative and what follows as a result may lay the groundwork for something much bigger. Remember - the elite have this stupid code they live by that involves, in part, telling the populace everything they do and plan. All their plans have been foretold out in the open somewhere at some point in time - often not long before they happen (e.g. Sandy Hook in the Batman movie). Sometimes it can be even more obvious...
Take note of Obama's speech tonight. He said something about "terrorism has reached a new stage", or it has taken a new form or reached a turning point or some bullshit. Allow me to translate: THE HAMMER IS COMING DOWN BITCHES. NOW ALL OF YOU CAN BE LABELED TERRORISTS, JUST LIKE THESE PATSIES WERE, AND WE CAN ROUND UP ALL OF YOU PREPPERS DURING THE BIG ONE AND PUT YOU IN CAMPS.
You have a couple cases of small caliber ammo in your home? San Bernardino has proven that ANYONE can be a terrorist. Convenient, considering NDAA 2011 allows such terrorists to be disappeared.
First the President is not entirely truthful in anything that he says. If fact anything out of his lips is generally a lie.
This attack by CIA Mercenaries was done for two purposes in mind.
1) Gun Confiscation
2) Fomenting a public support against ISIS as an excuse for a ground invasion in Syria.
The lip service to the Nation's Muslim was just that...Lip Service...a lie from Hell.
That attack went off with a Military Precision and was well planned and executed.
The patsies were set up and killed.
Third purpose,
Reinstall the NSA bulk surveillance. This topic was plastered all over FOX news Saturday night. The MSN shills were pounding the "wee need NSA" mantra all night, Krauthammer, Kathy, the judge chick, all spewing how much damage Snowdon did and how we need our NSA back in the game.
Eff me.
i miss America
Active Shooter DRILL going on, starts at 1:20 minute mark. What are the odds ALL these shootings take place while a DRILL is going on. Their excuse if ever caught is to say part of the Drill is gauging the public's reaction, so we make believe its real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLLCwnOuHqk Published on Dec 6, 2015 Webster Tarpley 2015 San Bernardino shootingThe only thing I can think of for the Muslims to be useful in this false flag is that Obama can justify using the no fly list to ban guns.
He's been getting owned by the right on guns. Those bitter clingers just won't give in, so maybe he thinks he can convince enough country club Republicans that "terrorists" on the no fly list also shouldn't be able to buy guns.
Its a long shot, the narrative is already out about the lack of due process involved with the no fly list, and hard-line conservatives are not going to let it happen.
Maybe if Bush would have tried in 2002 it might have worked, but not now.
Obama's best bet is to go full retard on the GUN grab, not this limp wristed fairy shit. If he is impeahced or assassinated, he becomes a martyr for the true believers. That's his best chance to kick off the civil war he is so desperately trying to start.
As to the no fly list being used to deny gun purchases, not even the liberals are buying it from what I see. On the heavily liberal subreddit /r/politics, most all are saying it's a terrible idea because there is no due process when it comes to being placed on the no fly list. They rightly fear and identify that this would be far too easy for the government to backdoor people into denying them their constitutional rights. It was good to see them say that.
fucken eh, the bad guys get guns no matter what laws are in place.
how come that is NEVER discussed?
I saw an interview , right away that said they were in all black. Then on my twitter feed someone posted a pic of them arresting on guy. He was in jeans and a blue sweatshirt. With in minutes in front of his mothers house. all bullshit again .
The initial reports that I heard were 3 shooters. Then it was dropped to 2.
Addresses will do. Whoever owns the guns will lead to A Duel when the SWAT team mistakenly shows up at the ~wrong~ house where a gun owner just happens to live and when they finally leave, the aftermath will serve as a bloody example of what could happen when you do not support the agenda of globalists (thieves). Military members and ex cops as well.
Need to keep the folks screaming for the war on Assad, I mean ISIS
I understand your point, but disagree. Whites have been involved in the shootings many times before, with no results for the gun control side. I believe the reasoning is two-fold: 1.) as most have mentioned, the arab background does play into the "let's start a war in the ME" 2.) they seem to be getting every race involved in these shootings (the last few I can remember were white, black, arab) and all had acquire weapons and ammunition legally (at least to my knowledge), playing into the narrative that our current laws are not working to prevent such events, and therefore, must be changed
"im here in Australia and the first news sources we got all said 3 assailants on the loose"
I watched the live news feed here on ZH. They were going house to house looking for the 3rd shooter. Just try to find a single fucking MSM story about the third shooter. It's right there in front of our faces.
I watched some of the live news feed and some of the tweets. The police were asked about the 3rd shooter. Said they had a person and questioned him. Let him go after his story checked out.
So why were they looking for a third shooter in the first place? I am reminded of the Boston Marathon story in real time where the bad guy was heavily armed. They surrounded him and there was a big shootout. They shot him in the neck so he couldn't talk. The later story was that he wasn't armed. So what happened to the shootout? And are supposed to believe that they just happened to shoot him in a way that made him unable to talk?
The police were probably looking for a 3rd shooter because this young lady reported seeing three shooters.
Click on the video above and listen carefully to everything she says. She reported that she heard shots and "we" looked out the window. Who's "we"?
Then the shooters opened the doors to enter the building.
What????????
The item about which she seemed clearest was about the six magazines.
That all absolutely makes no sense. None at all. Must not have made any sense to the police/FBI either.
makes no senes that there is no footage of this from any source - but as was said earlier, there was no shooter footage at any of the other recent events...
Exactly. Government building with 600 employees would have security cameras at least outside, most likely at every entrance as well. Maybe not inside the offices/banquet rooms, but outside for sure.
And what of all the squad car dash cams in the pursuit of the SUV? Anyone seen any vids from those?
They would show that it was a murder. You will not see those.
Funny how they cleared the area of news helicopters. However they are allowed to show the aftermath of the car chase. Yeah right....
Oh, and by the way, maybe it was "sex magazines"
A third...again.
Meme is getting worn.
OKC repeat.
Different method.
My first thought was Xe & grant money.
Get a load of 60 min tonight. College kids entrapped to become "confidential informants," ending up dead, all for a small amount of ganja.
FKN grant money...GREED.
Australian newspapers usually would report things like JFK's murder before it happened. See JFK movie with Mr. X who's real name was L. Fletcher Prouty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Fletcher_Prouty
here in America we have this wonderful thing called the "Patriot Act". It allows suspects to be jailed for an unlimited time and with no legal access ... during a terrorism investigation. Yes, there were media reports that a third person was arrested. That person has now completely disappeared. And our wonderful brilliant news media still haven't actually figured this out yet ... someone is missing from the picture.
On May 26, 2011, Obama signed the PATRIOT Sunsets Extension Act of 2011, a four-year extension of three key provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act.
Following a lack of Congressional approval, parts of the Patriot Act expired on June 1, 2015. With the passage of the USA Freedom Act on June 2, 2015 the expired parts were restored and renewed through 2019. However, Section 215 of the law was amended to stop the NSA from continuing its mass phone data collection program. Instead, phone companies will retain the data and the NSA can obtain information about targeted individuals with permission from a federal court
On May 26, 2011, Obama signed the PATRIOT Sunsets Extension Act of 2011, a four-year extension of three key provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act.
Following a lack of Congressional approval, parts of the Patriot Act expired on June 1, 2015. With the passage of the USA Freedom Act on June 2, 2015 the expired parts were restored and renewed through 2019. However, Section 215 of the law was amended to stop the NSA from continuing its mass phone data collection program. Instead, phone companies will retain the data and the NSA can obtain information about targeted individuals with permission from a federal court
"That person has now completely disappeared. And our wonderful brilliant news media still haven't actually figured this out yet ... someone is missing from the picture."
Or the report was wrong in the first place.
In a live fluid news event, first information is sometimes incorrect. That person may not have existed in the first place.
There was a robbery at a jewelry store in a mall yesterday. People in the mall thought that glass cases being smashed, were gunshots. The fear was that another terrorist attack was occurring. Turned out not to be the case.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sELDPP6K24Y
I wouldn't laugh ever again if my kid died. As for this article, the number of shooters is key. Skin color is easily mistaken, the number of people is not.
that's a veery good comment. witnesses often do make major mistakes with the description of suspects. but the number of shooters, less so.
I can't say never...
But, Robbie Parker is a crisis actor. aka scum.
+1
I saw those triage pictures too and they looked fake as hell. Cops standing around bull shitting and firemen paramedics. Just like Sandy Hoax.
Why was this restaurant inspector going to a Christmas party and a developmental challenged training school? WTF? How did he work there? And why does this location have terrorism drills every month?
His employer, the local health department, rented the room for their holiday party. Apparently, that room is rented out frequently for such events. The campus has three buildings. The shooting occurred in building 3. IIRC, that building is not a patient/client area.
Is it possible that bodies were moved from their original reoom temp position for the triage? If they bled out prior to being moved, then yes, there would be no rivers of blood.
"Tashfeen was a petite little thing. Seems you'd notice that. Watch the triage footage again. Fake as hell. No blood, no urgency"
Tell that to the relatives and friends of the dead.
what is the friggin confusion, this is war on the second. not getting it on the news, work it out!
911 and Boston bombing again? I smell treason.
YES
Banned book about Sandy Hook:
http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf
Interesting read but poorly written.
Troll Alert!
YOu get the fucking point don't fester. This isn't a fucking english class.
A mob hit team usually has at least three killers. Obama thinks he has the right to kill anyone he chooses. Although in the case of the San Bernardino attack, Obama had to check with his Saudi Arabian organ grinders, since the woman shooter in California was a trained Saudi agent. The photos of her husband, the restaurant inspector, has the look of someone who has been brainwashed and drycleaned plus getting dosed with Captagon, the Saudi form of meth. I am amazed that CBS anchor Scott Pelley let that eyewitness interview even get on the TV news. Pelley will pay heavily for that error in judgment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwTYja7GXcY
+1 for Obama having to check with his organ grinder.
Still, depending on your listener, it's good to avoid using ethnicity as an attack point or slur. It's really not germane that our President and Attorney General are half black, what's germane is that they are violating their oaths of office, working against the interests of those who are paying their salaries, and working for... a set of undisclosed third parties.
video goned...
Sally is a liar.
How many times in her life has she heard real, live "shots from an autiomatic weapon?" And the way she says this?? Listen to how she speaks!
This is bull$hit.
I absolutely believe there is an agenda here - this is not authentic. Sally is only more noise.
This "witness" just muddies the water further. Intentionally.
As I posted yesterday, maybe nobody read it.
The lawyer said they were in the way back of the SUV all shot up and HANDCUFFED.
I missed the 'way back' in the SUV part. That's exactly where I would put handcuffed, sedated patsies to get shot up by the cops after I ran away from the kill car. But that's just crazy talk.
here
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/04/19/2F10A4EB00000578-3346500-im...
The Walter Scott shooting provides an alternative route to the same end...
Hahhahha damn I'd pay to see that. Let me explain, for the slow and gullible ladies and gentlemen here tonight, how the fuck you pull shit off like this, it's real easy. 1st you have a super deep pocket and black budget filled with the stolen hard earned money of the working class which yiu shit on and spit at and throw in jail anytime you need to. 2nd you have a bunch of rich boy fuckTard crazies start an intelligence Service that everyone who works fors Identity is classified. 3rd you have to recruit people from all over the world so you can use them any where at any time. 4th you take said recruits and tell him youre running a drill ( they are your patsy). Last you take your most loyal psychos have them kill a bunch of innocent people and then blame the pasties who by the time you kill them are scared shit less and on the run literally for their lives. That's it now repeal the fucking 2nd Amendment for Christsake
This eyewitness is full of shit. I saw 2 Unicorns and the Easter Bunny dressed in black with assault rifles eating Dunkin Donuts jelly donuts and yelling alla akbar as they shot rainbow bullets. That's the truth Gun free zones are for shit. We need Unicorn free zones and Easter Bunny free zones. Then maybe this crazy shit will stop and we'll have world peace
Say no more. The best selling drug in the US is Abilify, an anti-psychotic.
No wonder people see SUV's jumping on Eastern bunnies, colourful skies and knitted bed covers at the same time.
http://qz.com/293932/how-this-antipsychotic-became-americas-best-selling...
Also something else to consider, why would the FBI allow the apt. that these people lived in and are the "shooters" to be left open after they went through to find evidence? I mean if this was a terrorists attack, they would have emptied that apt. of everything and then some and make it impossible for weeks or months to get in there. Something isn't right about this whole thing.
Come on ZHers - don't make this site look like a conspiracy freak show. Look at the person's facebook. This is a muslim. Lying is what they do. It's who they are. Her story goes along with the lawyers regarding Sandy Hook, etc. There are other victims who state just 2 shooters. Black hat with 6 magazines covered head to toe and these people are shooting up the place and she is able to observe their build and their skin color and their height instead of diving for cover. Give me a break...
You need to get out more. Your little mind is deprived of knowledge and the liars and thieves are the ones in castles not in caves and rubble. Your hate for another justifies hating you. Lying is a class a Yale.
911 was a publicity stunt of such a magnitude - all doors opened to hell opened. When Bush stood in front of a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner on a vessel after Iraq was bombed into Shock and Awe, the gate holding the flood of blood and tears in the USA was compromised.
Published on Dec 6, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFDqXZsQD1w
Experts fear that ISIS will be able to exploit a failure of EU governments to share information on possible terrorists.
Already, British police forces have been conducting exercises on how to deal with various types of terrorist attack. But the EU report claims that government should 'consider publicly addressing the possibility of terrorist attack using chemical, biological, radiological or even nuclear materials'.
Here's a link for the conspiracy folks and my down-voters:
2 shooters.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/herald_bulldog/2015/12/w...
It is very common for people near to these situations to inflate their importnace in them and claim things that do not happen to get attention. It is likely that neither of the 2 witnesses that claim 3 people (and their versions don't even match - i.e. Juan says military fatigues while she says all black) try to inflate their importance by stating that they saw things - it is a common psychological phenomenah.
It's fun to come up with conspiracies, but I'm sure the vicitims as they come out of the hospital will collaboarate that there were just 2 shooters. The FBI crime scene being vacated early is weird - maybe there is something strange about that, but believing two witnesses who seem to be fruitcakes (Juan says they left in a black impala SUV - what is that?) is just stupid.
Black military "fatigues"? She described cargo pockets on the side of the legs. Never seen black BDUs? I have, often.
"Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie. A concept whose meaning has varied significantly among Islamic sects, scholars, countries, and political regimes"[8]
In Sunni jurisprudence, denying faith under duress or other permissible reasons as per Islamic law is viewed "only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory".[1]
In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[3] Taqiyya has also been legitimised, particularly among Twelver Shia, in order to maintain Muslim unity and fraternity.[9][10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
The whole Sandy Hook conspiracy thing is just plain offensive and a complete reach. Anybody who believes that didn't happen at this point with all of the documentation surrounding the actual victims and the impact on their families is just stupid. If you want to say it didn't happen exactly as reported, fine, but don't deny that real children died. That is an offense to the families. The fact that the Farook attorney would resort to this, just shows how desparate they are to decieve the public. Islam is all about deception and the more gullible people are the more they suceed.
YOU are all about deception.
Ever see a parent who just lost a kid smile and talk like nothing ever happened to their child?
Me either. Except this one time in CT. When every parent gave smiling and tearless interviews, when no official protocols were followed in dealing with the 'dead children', when both the school and the Lanza house were razed. Demo workers at the school had to sign NDAs. Why?
I see a religious faith in the government as a dangersous thing.
I'll trust the witnesses that actually got shot over those who are out first telling their story to the media. Initial witness accounts for these type of events are all over the map - it's the way these things transpire. The first few accounts are often based on imagination rather than actually seeing what happened. You need to actually get the stories from the victims.
More about the problems with eyewitness accounts:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/
I don't know what the fuckin' true story is, yet.
All I know is that real people were really killed.
We're dealing with it, as friends and acquaintances are really adjusting their time for funerals and pushing off meetings and holiday parties. A friends daughter, that I didn't know very well, was a victim.
This may be a false flag, and you may see crisis actors; but very real, locally known, actual people were killed.
This wasn't a Sandy Hook, the people killed were adults with significant social impact. (Not that I moarn Government Employees being forcibly eliminated.) It's real. people died, and the false flag evidence that we will eventually see will ignore the fact that real people died.
The false flag factor will be to paint this as favorable to whatever the current agenda is to our feckless, War Criminal, government. That is all it will be.
It's crud like this that stops Zerohedge from being taken seriously. It's a shame because there are so many really good insightful articles here particularly concerning economic issues and then you get a piece of junk journalism like this that brings out the fruitcakes.
Does the story really matter at this stage? The sheeple have already been scared and their feeble minds have already been made up.
The Jury is still out!
Puzzle:
where are the Perimeter Videos / Inside Hallway Videos / Pics of countless IPhones ????? show us the - ->>>>>>>>Woman IN THE BUILDING
Public Buildings built in recent times have VIDEO!!!!
All the narrative after is a controlled narrative - How do we really know?
ZHers: POST THE SITE THAT HAS THE VIDEOS OF THE BUILDING - where are they?
ATF reports they recovered police issued firearms?? Yeah, more gun control. They need to be taken away from the government. Wasn't there a break in a few weeks ago at a small armory in Massachusetts?
The shootings will continue until morale improves.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/worcester-armory-weapons-theft-fbi...
Somebody let the FBI know they found them.
The iphone video of the people being walked down the hall showed a little kid.
Ask the kid.
It is interesting that there aren't multiple iphone videos or pics sent from people who were calling their spouses, etc. to let them know and reassure them that they were among the living. You'd think they would take selfies to let them see they were intact. There were comments from concerned friends and family members about iphone batteries going down so the living persons inside that room were using their phones for something.
There are never videos. There is ALWAYS a "drill" going on. Few or no ambulances. Zero tears from anybody. I used to despise conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy? Yes. Theory? No. I'm completely amazed by all of this !!! But it's nearly impossible to "expose" for obvious reasons. (like being called a conspiracy theorist)
Bear in mind that "conspiracy theory" was a term coined by the CIA to discredit those who questioned the JFK murder by the CIA.
So the second half of that sentence is correlation, but the first half is documented -- the CIA came up with the the term to discredit anyone who argued against the official JFK story. Do the math.
And the KGB simultaneously ran a huge disinformation Op to drive Americans to question the US government's narrative of the JFK assassination. It's all about keeping the sheeple CONFUSED. THE CIA spends more money distributing intentionally false information than it does spreading information it believes to be factual (which actually makes sense when you look the structure of their customer base). And yet some sheeple are absolutely confident that they have it ALL FIGURED OUT, exactly as their competing overlords intended...
+1 the first most important fact about propaganda from Moscow is actually that it ceased... for a time
the second that it still has it's vast array of expertise. the third that it changed it's ideological tone
(as an individual... also that it has now tunes that do strike a chord or two in my breast, but this is a personal point of view)
but propaganda from Moscow is still subject to the same imperative: support Moscow's leadership in it's intents and goals
including the old "divide et impera"
Good comment. 9/11 set the standard, when the FBI confiscated all security cam vids around the Pentagram. It was for national security and it's a secret -- so don't ask for the footage or you hate America.
Where's the video from Newtown showing Lanza all kitted up shooting out the front window in the school? The same place as teh lost telemtry tapes for Apollo missions? Probably.
I'd love it if everybody here who still believes the US government would downvote me.
Then post under here. Don't do it anonymously. Show your love of the hero government!
What are you afraid of? Don't talk about it! Do it!
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A woman with a 6 month old baby did not do this.
The apartment looked like a normal couple who were religious
and sweet. They had sentimental items around and lots of cute
toys for baby.
the woman was short and 90 lbs, she would have to wear childrens tactical gear.
She could not carry guns, magazines, cell phone to declare some bullshit while shooting.
Back when i was 70 pounds I could buck four hundred bales of hay. Carry two 100 pound sacks of grain on my shoulders, and detassle seven miles of corn in one eight hour day. four years later, holding a tinkertoy, M16 rifle, I could hit the bulls eye enough to make me a USMC Expert Marksman...gained some wieght there, went up to 120 pounds.
Weight doesn't matter, it's the tool or method used. I know because I was a ranch kid. I actually had to get my hands dirty and cut the nuts off of sheep, pigs, and cattle; starting from age 10. The rabbits, we didn't castrate. But kill, skin, and clean 40 thousand of them and you're not looking at them as cute ever again in your life (age 10 to Age 17).
I'm much older now. My time in USMC was brief and I've never actually had to kill a person. But I can tell you, I would consider the act as just another rabbit. It won't affect me at all. I've already watched people die slowly, I've already tried to save them as they died, and, frankly, at this point, I'm pretty content to help others meet their makers; whether they be government or islamist jihadists (which, these days seems to be inclusive.)
So, I have no fear of Islam. I have no fear, I admit to a bit of anger, similar to discovering cockroaches in your kitchen, but I don't go full road rage on a bunch of kitchen cockroaches. I'm calm and deal with them in very lethal ways.
Oooh yo one scary mofo?
You want us all to beleive your Chuck Norris Steven Seagal and Bruce Willis all rolled into some pioneer spirit buffalo hunter Malboro man thrown in for good measure.
You my friend are the reason America is finished. your cry for help is steeped in your own pathologies with this tv inspired own spun mythos of an old timey age that never actually existed anywhere apart from a soundstage in San diego where real men played cowboys in movies during the day then dressed up in womens clothing and fucked each other somewhere in the hollywood hills of an evening.
What you want us to do fear you, phone the authorites or buy you a fucking twinky.
You aint killed a man I know that but you regret that you didnt that why you glorify the process. Any man that killed another man would never even skirt round the issue or fuck me, be ever so fucking crude to hypothesise in a public arena about doing it again. You clam up and take that shit to the grave where it belongs.
Thats why I know your just a big fat walmart whale probably in an electric pushchair and a nebulizer strung out on Zombie movies and Liveleak vids, and no matter how many poor creatures you cut the nuts off youll never have a pair of your own.