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Assad Slams US Bombing Of Government Troops As Turkey Accuses Russia Of Violating Montreux Treaty
On Saturday, the Russian warship Caesar Kunikov passed through the Bosphorus Strait.
On deck, a soldier could be seen wielding a rocket launcher:
“For a Russian soldier to display a rocket launcher or something similar while passing on a Russian warship is a provocation,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said, adding that if Turkey “perceives a threat” Ankara “will give the necessary response.”
It’s not clear what the “necessary response” is to the brandishing of a shoulder surface-to-air missile on the deck of a ship, but for those who might have missed it, the Bosphorus is one of Turkey’s only trump cards when it comes to countering the Russians who at this point seem determined to permanently impair Ankara’s international reputation by implicating Erdogan in Islamic State’s lucrative cross-border oil trade.
Closing the strait would mean cutting one of Moscow’s key supply routes to Latakia, which would in turn force The Kremlin to either take a longer sea route or resupply the base by air. As we noted on Sunday, blocking the Bosphorus would technically be illegal, but that wouldn’t likely stop Erdogan if he became inclined to limit passage.
Well, in what has become a petty back-and-forth game of mutual escalation, Turkey now says Russia violated the Montreaux Treaty by placing a soldier with a shouldered rocket launcher on the deck of a warship as it passed through the strait.
It was “a clear provocation” Transportation Minister Binali Yildirim says. Turkey “is capable of taking necessary precautions if threatening or provocative behavior continues,” he added.
Yes, "threatening or proocative behavior” much like sending 150 ground troops and two dozen tanks into a sovereign country with no invite - which, you’re reminded is exactly what Turkey did in Iraq on Friday.
In any event, Turkey seems to be looking for excuses here. Sure, placing a serviceman on deck with a shouldered surface-to-air missile isn’t exactly a friendly display, but Ankara did just shoot down a Russian fighter jet, so it’s not as if Russia has nothing to fear from the Turks.
Between Turkish aggression and the fact that the Bosphorus has emerged as a key issue in the ongoing spat makes it not at all surprising that Moscow would resort to a bit of chest beating while passing through the strait.
Meanwhile, the Syrian government says US warplanes attacked SAA positions for the first time since the conflict began, prompting a swift response from Damascus (or from wherever the government is conducting its business these days).
The strike allegedly took place in Paris mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud’s old fiefdom of Deir ez Zor. As RT reports, “the coalition jets fired nine missiles at an army camp” killing three and wounding a dozen. “Syria strongly condemns the act of aggression by the US-led coalition that contradicts the UN Charter on goals and principles. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has sent letters to the UN Secretary General and the UN Security Council.”
"This hampers efforts to combat terrorism and proves once again that this coalition lacks seriousness and credibility to effectively fight terrorism," Syria's letter to the United Nations says.
Hilariously, Washington says it has no idea what Syria is talking about: “We’ve seen those Syrian reports but we did not conduct any strikes in that part of Deir ez Zor yesterday. So we see no evidence,” coalition spokesman Colonel Steve Warren said. This is the same Steve Warren who said it's "beyond ridiculous" to suggest that the US is tacitly supporting ISIS. Similarly, Lt. Col. Kristi Beckman, director of public affairs at the Combined Air Operations Center at al-Udeid air base in Qatar, told AP that although he's "aware" of the incident, he doesn't "have any indication that the strikes killed Syrian soldiers."
Of course somebody bombed the SAA position and it damn sure wasn't the Russians, and since ISIS doesn't have an air force, there's really only one explanation as to whose planes were involved. Whether or not the strike was intentional or whether the US thought they were bombing ISIS (which controls the area) is an open question.
So, two questions emerge: 1) will Turkey use the rocket launcher "incident" as an excuse to limit passage in the Bosphorus, and 2) was the coalition strike on Syrian troops intentional, and if so, will "accidents" like this become par for the course in eastern Syria?
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The Americans/NATO don't even try to hide their war crimes any longer. Long Nuremburg style trials (if we are so lucky).
that rocket guy is wearing non-russian military clothing.. why?
Zionist desperate for war. Burn in hell MF.
Turkey supports ISIS for oil and to oust Assad. NATO supports Turkey as a card carrying member. US supports NATO as its defacto military might. Ipso facto, US supports ISIS, despite Barry's blathering to to the contrary.
So, under what circumstance does Russia fire an S-400 missile at US jets?
How does one tell it is a US jet ? Do they look like F16s shooting down an Su-24 in Syria ?
It's a potato cannon. Photo looks.... weird. What's casting him in shadow?
Those damn Spud-nik launchers
Obama wants gun control to control the masses in Amerika, and to fight terrorism. I think it's time to get his trigger happy finger ALL US weapons. He's the CinC and under his orders more civilians have been killed by him than any mass shooter in the US.
Veterans Today is reporting that the attack was absolutely intentional, and carried out by by British jets.
The only calm heads in this thing seem to be owned by Iran, Russia, and Syria. The NATO powers are all out of control. Is this what it looked like n the runnup to WWII? The future "good guys" were the ones out of control?
History is written by the victors. God is on the side of the Big Batallions.
"the Syrian government says US warplanes attacked SAA positions for the first time since the conflict began"
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The tower to the right of him.
Conceivably, the mast to the right.
Operator may be keeping the sun out of his eyes.
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Then is confirmed photoshopping. Only is potato cannon deployed by Latvian navy.
No. Alpha Delta Theta men fire potato cannon at Idaho State football game.
Looks like a SA-7 Strelka2, just saying "Fuck You" to Erdogan.
“We’ve seen those Syrian reports but we did not conduct any strikes in that part of Deir ez Zor yesterday. So we see no evidence."
Thank Mr. Durden for this great example of the contemporary art of Double Speak (also known as "FED speak" during/after FOMC meetings)!
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Reminds of humour style the Three Stooges:
"You can see anything?"
"No, can see not anything!"
"What is happened?!"
"I my eyes closed."
From Hoarder: "So, under what circumstance does Russia fire an S-400 missile at US jets?"
Under no circumstances provided Russian troops or bases are not directly attacked.
For a week now we have had to suffer the new Putin fans claims that Russia had established a no-fly zone, that all flights had to be preapproved by Russia, that Putin had drawn a red line (Yet Another!!). We even had articles how Putin's jets and now the S400 had a grip over a wide region that extended outside Syria. Any jet that did not comply would be shot down. We even had to listen to them repost claims that Syria has the S300 system, those claims that have been proven to be false and even denied by Russia. Turkey, who recently shot down a Russian jet in Syria and boasted about it, has moved some troops into Syria - and Putin is too afraid to even attack Turkey in Syria.
Now we know it is all false. They flew jets in and directly bombed, not just Syrian/Hezbollah/Iranian troops, but one of their established bases. And what from the Russians - NOTHING!! The attacks involved repeat attacks by the jets, and no S400 fired not Russian confrontation no protection of any kind by Russia.
Hezbollah needs to be very careful. Russia/Putin has worked with NATO to set up Russia's "allies" in the past for an easier kill (Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and Syria). Russia may be luring Hezbollah away from home and into the open and then watch (again) as their "allie" is destroyed.
This is of course why Turkey has moved troops into Syria: they can claim to be fighting ISIS, but they hope to get some troops killed in a Russian airstrike.
no way in hell this thing dont go hot and blow up into a real mess. the asshats running our mic had better gtfo and leave that area alone. too bad they are in their bunkers itching to pull the nuclear trigger. these people are nothing but mad dogs and we are so screwed.
even so, come Lord Jesus.
You are our only hope ob1canobie.
@ GOOD
We are so fooked because so many like you have been brainwashed into believing in invisible father figures in the sky who will come to the rescue instead of helping yourselves instead. Time to grow out of your pampers and stop indulging in fantasies of imaginary teddy bears.
Time for you to get unspellbound and find out what life is really all about.
Darkness brings fathers and teddy bears down from above.
They are so cuddly, so touching.
Hi SilverDOG, when is a good time to connect with you through the Chat Room?
Ana
Operational.
O I C.. humans are becoming so new age and awake? Too bad the Bible nails everything that has happened and is happening throughout the ages.
But I suppose you will argue the old worn out crap about people making it happen.. Like ww2 so Israel can become a nation?
Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!
Oh .. well that never happens..
From Good - "no way in hell this thing dont go hot and blow up"
No worries here - That dog (Russia/Putin) won't hunt (NATO). Ever, unless you invade his dog house. Otherwise, NATO can walk up and eat his food and walk away while he sits.
Because he's photoshopped in.
+1. Yep
Shades of Life Mag cover and Oswald.
Correct. Someone here observed yesterday that when you blow up (zoom in) the head and do a pixel analysis, the photoshop effects are evident.
Also, why would a Russian sailor wear typical ISIS clothing?
According to Spock, "It's time for Russia to use active, gimballed lasers that scan for and target enemy optics (cameras, etc), especially if it has a reticle. Look for a Retro-Reflection Cross-section (RRX) in the VIS and NIR. If your system is good, you should be able to get a good enough image of the reticle, to determine what type of optics is looking at you."
Photoshoped
http://thesaker.is/andrew-korybkos-exclusive-interview-with-serbias-novi...
Plausible deniability. Or simply under a shadow. He's dressed exacty as the guy in the foreground.
Turkey snuck in a jihad on a Russian destroyer.
This will not end well
Yeah, I am starting to think this is the,
"Beginning of the beginning of the end of the beginning"Robbie Robertson
The Band, The Last Waltz
Assad should ask for a No-Fry Zone.
Alas the US believes in Freedom Fries. Or is it Freedumb Fries?
Figure the next false flag attack to target Chicago, to save Obama's henchman, Mayor Rahm Emanuel. Since Chicago police are trigger-happy, the attack will probably involve an IED using RDX explosive, just like the Boston Marathon bombing.
So now we have to invoke the 2nd amendment to carry pressure cookers?
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I used to wonder what it was like for those Germans with the clear view watching as Hitler took them step by step towards war, knowing there was nothing they could do to stop it.
That is how I feel now. I see the confusion and programming in most of the people around me who still believe what they read in their particular choice of MSM. Conservatives who are convinced that it is incompetence and Naivete by Obama, not calculated moves by the people for whom Obama is a front man.
Try to convince your neighbor, or friend that ISIS is a Trojan Horse created to allow Western powers to manipulate and reshape the global political and military landscape... scare citizens into compliance... and they smile with and nod glazed patronizing looks, or outright call it nonsense and site sources... in the MSM.
Nothing can be done, they are taking us to war and resistance is truly futile.
I agree that they are getting away with all the propaganda despite the internet's capacity to check very easily the MSM / Obama mime - on so many subjects.
people are both lazy and really dont want to know the truth - Jack Nicholson said: "You cant handle the Truth" in that JAC movie - perhaps in the end that is what it is all about - people desperately need to create stability around them by avoidance.
Sure a large part is stupidity - but you can find people you respect their education and / or intellect and then you get the same reaction / result.
I have never realized until recently, it is very brave - compared to the overwhelming majority of people - to think / to challenge / to "not" believe and substitue another order.
Representative Democracy does not work - not just because of the corruption of the Representative but more importantly the Citizen doesnt want his responsibilities. When it gets really bad they "react" and substitute the same people doing the same thing with a different brand with a few changes
You can be compelled to know the truth but most are not - there is safety in not knowing
+1000.... Such a good comment.
"Long Nuremburg style trials (if we are so lucky). "
Even if you believe 100% of the popular court history of WW2, the Nuremberg tribunal and everything else that happened after the fall of Berlin was nonetheless a transparent and total farce.
The image is fake. Why would a military vessel, with far, far more potent weapons, require someone to stand on board with a surface to air system?
This is how our cartoonish USSA government works, using 2nd rate hollywood props to push a propaganda line.
why? one of the many ways to flip a bird, for example
but how do you attribute this piece of propaganda, if indeed it's fake, to the USA?
who tells you it isn't a private person behind it, for example?
or an energy corporation? or a "rogue NGO"? or a Saudi Prince that does not tell his King that he is putting billions into propaganda? or one that does, but it's held at "arm's lenght" and so deniable? or any oligarch, be him Ukrainian, American, European, Turk, Middle-Eastern, Chinese or even... Australian?
propaganda can have lots of sources, and is also often recycled. hence the importance of holding tight to facts, in geopolitics
fact is that Turkey's government is using this photo for it's purposes
Turkey may appear to be using this photo for its own purposes, but can and will do nothing without instructions from Washington. Like the Ukraine, Turkey is hiding under the skirt of the USSA/NATO. Or do you really believe that Turkey would commit a blatant act of war by shooting down a russian jet in Syria? Even if the russian jet was in Turkey for 17 seconds, how did that threaten Ankara?
It was an ambush, and as you say, an act of war. See: http://harpers.org/blog/2015/12/mountain-ambush/
The Turkish F-16 loitered in the area until the SU-24 was on it's second bombing run and clearly over Syria to launch the attack. If this analysis of the evidence by Pierre Sprey is correct, I think Putin has demonstrated remarkable restraint.
methinks this "without instruction from Washington" is a remnant from the short period of Hyper-Power US Global Hegemony
I'm old enough to remember NATO, for example, not following every instruction from Washington. or France even leaving NATO for a while
the Global Hegemony thing was greatly aided by the internet and the NSA... until shady characters (like me) "rediscovered" mechanical typewriters and the joys of letters
shooting one plane is a terrible thing. but I am also old enough to remember times when this wasn't seen as a casus belli, a valid "reason for war"
imo those times are back. welcome back to the past
With a "real" russian soldier standing in front of him. Really?
Looks like an ISIS Jihadi holding the rocket launcher, not a Russian soldier.
Exactly.
Agreed it looks like photoshop.
Perhaps because that surface to air system is the primary air defense weapon on that ship (which is a landing craft/transport and not a battleship/destroyer, neither a grad nor a 27mm cannon would preferred against an incoming aircraft).
How is the image faked?
it doesn't appear to be faked in more high resolution versions
it is consistent with other angles
it appears to have been taken in Instanbul
The only way it might have faxed is if was taken prior to the last week, but I can't it any trace of prior by altering the dates in google image search.
It's fake, zoom in on it and you can see a different tech behind it, the person holding it has stripes, the soldier doesn't.
UR's factual point is that the designers of that ship armed it with hand-held SAMs as primary anti-aircraft weapon. where they did not think about the Bosporus, nor the need for a cheap mount for that weapon, so that the photo would look as ominous as a simple turret or a sailor swiwelling a mounted weapon
+1 UR, and a big, big LOL
More basic than it being fake is that it is absurd for Turkey to object to one guy with a hand launched weapn on deck when those ships are bristling with weapons all over the deck. Granted, most of them would need to get a fire control radar going before they could launch. That may be why they had the guy on deck. It was a way to get some close in air defense while leaving off the fire control radars of their far more capable air defense systems.
Ugh. If it was real, then the Russians were taking the piss. It's the kind of thing they might do.
ah the old adage " the first casualty in war is the truth" just rings hollow since it has been decades since the Federal Government has told the truth about anything. I guess that means it is at war with its citizens too.
"So, two questions emerge:
1) will Turkey use the rocket launcher "incident" as an excuse to limit passage in the Bosphorus, and
2) was the coalition strike on Syrian troops intentional, and if so, will "accidents" like this become par for the course in eastern Syria? "
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1) not likely. The Montreaux Treaty is quite robust, being written in a time when all this garbling of "international law" wasn't that advanced. Turkey can close the Bosporus... if at war. And Ankara is not stupid, a war declaration from Turkey would even eject them from the NATO umbrella
2) possible. though a lot depends on what the other coalition does in Syria. the underreported/misreported one... wants order. and promises a "land to return" to millions of refugees
The Montreux Treaty is also subject to dispute and in need of revision. It did not envisage Turkey having charge of its instead of a Commission. Turkey will not win many friends if its attempts to recover the Ottoman Empire lead to a re-run of 1914 when its corrosion led to war
yes, Sandmann, and sometimes I get the impression that you are on an island that regards everything on this globe as subject to dispute
nevertheless, the case for the Bosporus is really, really clear: warships to make a call and to be allowed to pass in peace. anything else becomes a casus belli
Ghordius, you are quite bright, but everything on this globe is subject to dispute. The world has literally been turned upside down.
You have the US government openly sponsoring terrorists.
The West is openly violating sovereign airspace and now 'mistakenly' attacking the same sovereign troops.
There is no semblance of law left. The US and the west have zero regard for treaties or international law.
The only thing stopping the west from all out war is the people are not behind it yet. To do this there are doing everything they can to get Russia to mis step in the public eye. This includes shooting down a bomber, ambushing the rescue helicopter, pushing troops into foreign countries and now 'accidentally' bombing Syrian troops.
The case for all of these are really really really clear, yet here we are. Do you really think they won't do something because of some treaty or law?
may I point out that one of the reasons for your - may I call it bewilderment - is your use of unclear vocabulary? many words you use seem to belong to a category of "heard of" without ever "critically checked upon". including sovereignty, treaties and... "The West"
example: your use of "The West" in your sentence "The US and the west have zero regard for treaties or international law"
that "zero regard for..." has a name: Exceptionality. In short, it means "It's ok if <- insert exceptional country here -> does it, it's not if someone else does it"
No need for ad hominem attacks. Your analysis and assertion that somehow Turkey wouldn't violate a treaty because it is clearly defined is not very convincing given the evidence.
My words are very clear and it's very easy to put the pieces of the puzzle together but I can spell it out if you like.
example 'The US and the West' can be very clearly defined as western countries including Europe, North America and NATO countries.
It's very clear that the US has attacked countries such as Libya, Iraq, Iraq, Afghanistan, openly without any international legal justification.
It's very clear that Turkey has violated numerous sovereign countries territory such as Greece, Syria, and Iraq.
It's very clear that Turkey shot down a bomber disregarding all international law and norms.
C'mon, really, I can go on,, but you are dead wrong. The US and the west, so clearly defined, have disregarded international law and treaties. There is no reason that some treaty or law or convention from decades ago is going to stop the West from their goals given their recent (ie. 15 years ) of previous actions.
That's all I am trying to say. You have to admit, your argument that Turkey wouldn't violate the treaty because it's cleary written, is pretty hollow.
if you see my argument this way, then yes. it was indeed based on a hint: it's not in Turkey's interests to go against it
I did not go into the details this matter, probably from my arrogance of believing to be a somewhat expert for that region, or the Montreax treaty, and believing that too few people here have any serious knowledge about it
so in short: I agree, I posed this argument too simply, and as it stands it looks hollow. it's not the first time I fail here for the sheer shortness of the comment method, or the fact that I am bewildered about how to explain certain things without writing the whole context of the thing described
meanwhile, I'm still puzzled by your "The US and The West"
Looney for prez. Whey to much logic here.
"an island" Ghordius ? I fear I am a long way from water - a very long way
Russia has escalated the conflict, strangely they did not expect a response, well the response is coming and there is no scenario of Russian advantage from this, on the contrary Putin took a gamble at the expense of Russia's strategic interests.
Russia needs to ditch the Putin arrogance fast and take the lead by being constructive, Assad is a hopeless lost cause , full stop, face the facts.
Save Russia not Putin
I guess you were dropped on the head as baby... repeatedly
This guy doesn't demonstrate any understanding of Russia's strategic interest.
Guentzberg is just another shill for the USSA/NATO/ISIS.
Damn LL, you're too fast, thats what i was gonna type..
"Guentzberg is just another shill for the USSA/NATO/ISIS."
if he is a troll and shill, then perhaps his purpose was to raise a bit of hell with a sentence that begins with "Russia escalated the conflict..."
followed by enough material to get the crowd to rail against him en masse
Perhaps so, thus hoping to hijack the thread. Unfortunately for these second rate state department paid bloggers, the ZH crowd is waaaaay ahead of them. Nearly all shills crash and burn because there are just too many intelligent and independent thinkers posting to ZH, and who love to call others out on their BS.
you mean a minority of independent thinkers willing to just check on things and call out on BS? well, I hope you are right
More like neanderthall clods who rail against anything or anyone that flies in the face of all they hold dear albeit wrong.
Bullshit, exposing NATO as another military arm of the global bankers, U.S. and Turkey as frauds, Suadi's as a leading terrorist state, Europe leaders as turncoats to sovereignty to their people was enough. He has accomplished the majority of his goals. Hell he could fold now and walk away the clear winner.
Now THAT - is Full Metal Orwell!
You upvoted your own post, didn't you.
Are you that "Leave Britney Alone" video guy? I'm just trying to imagine personality type and all I glean is "pathetic loser".
US is clearly a syrial killer here.
I see what you did there
For those nay sayers I present to you:
In the last days, the Bible tells us, a horrible series of events will take place in the lands of Israel and Syria. One of these events is the disappearance of Damascus as one of the premiere cities in the world. The oldest continuously inhabited city on the planet, Damascus has witnessed at least five thousand years of human history, and some historians believe the city actually dates back to the seventh millennium bc.
“Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city,
And it will be a ruinous heap.
Isaiah 17
any questions?
No, it's described much more accurately in book 7 of the "Fire and Ice" series by George R. R. Martin.
"And John Snow called out to his totally hot concubine, Daenaeris Stormborn, ' Set loose your dragons upon these heathens who deny The Light."
Chapter 8, paragraph 7
The turks have slaughtered the assyrians for centuries. Which of these genocides does your book refer to and why the fuck do i care what happens again to your jewish brothers. Those demons aren't mone.
Sure the war continues but Damascus remained. THIS time the city is probably going to get nuked. Totally destroyed. Hence no one left, and if you read further into it, surrounding countryside abandoned.
Radiation?
We are so fooked because so many like you have been brainwashed into believing in invisible father figures in the sky who will come to the rescue instead of helping yourselves instead. Time to grow out of your pampers and stop indulging in fantasies of imaginary teddy bears.
Helping myself? Please explain.. I am not a baby bird in the nest with my beak open spellbound.
To deny that the Bibles war of Gog and Magog is not happening now is flat blind denial of your atheistic pride.
Even atheists believe in something, which is nothing. So can you deny that Israel became a nation and from that moment on we have been steady marching into the final chapter of the Bible?
And humans did this because of the Bible or did the Bible front run this or? Please enlighten me.
Self fulfilling profecy....it becomes true because you and many many like you believe in it, and the reward that is offered to you is that you will one day get to shake hands with big JC himself.
It's kinda important who the actors in the prophetic writings actually are.
For instance in the Opening of the seven seals (which kicks off the entire thing), Christ himself (in heaven) starts the ball rolling. Then the events of the first five seals are completely the acts of man against man, and are all operational now, starting with the Bolshevik Revolution and culminating with the creation of ISIS, and full on Jihad.
The next seal (6th) could well be all acts of man also, given the possibility of the Japanese sunnami, earthquakes, interstellar incidents, geoengineering, could all be mankind caused.
And after mankind has created a real shitstorm on earth, we move to Daniel's 70th week, where the sovereign God himself gets involved and things get sorta out of man's control.
So whether script or prophecy, playbook or divine intention, it would behoove all of us to pay attention to the other truths embedded therein.
Beware the Lamb!!!
jeez..who wudda thunk? britain , france, obama, nato turkey russia..who isn't rushing to get to the playground.
its like dr. strangelove when the generals saw every twist and turn as a way to bend the discussion to how better to use their killer toys.
"we cannot allow a mineshaft gap!"
You forgot the UK. The UK is stirring poop too.
Epic poop stirring.
All of them (ALL) should die in a fire, but they should actually die of slow butt cancer. That would really hurt and it's hard to stir poop when your butt hurts and you're on fire.
the UK is not stirring poop. the UK is simply doing what the UK is famous for: putting a finger in every pie
ok, it's a pie made out of poop, and the finger is circling and making a lot of things less clear, but that's... coincidental
meanwhile, go ahead and show us all how to die of slow butt cancer. who are you to wish this to ALL of them? the non-existent "bystander of everything"?
I'm the guy who writes letters to, and calls his reps, demanding that they stop spending money we don't have on wars to benefit bankers and businesses.
I'm the guy who doesn't give a rat's backside if everyone who left their home and involved themselves in this mess dies horribly and painfully. It's richly deserved, a thousand times over. Simple Golden Rule stuff.
Besides, 7 billion on a planet that can sustain 500 million. That means human life goes in the liabilities column, not the assets column. Quit living in the past.
I live in the present, which is a planet that is sustaining 7 billions. and I am someone that puts human life on the assets column
Ghordius, you're a smart bastard, with some good ideas, but you are also a prissy little prick at times. Get down off your soapbox.
Socratic Dog, I can get a bit... incensed about people that claim "this planet can only sustain 500 millions" and are clearly American
the number, you see? too neat
'the UK is simply doing what the UK is famous for'...Yep, kow-towing to its masters in D.C. and Israel.
outdated view, I am afraid. London just did a lot of kow-towing to the Leadership of China, for example. meanwhile Obama recently said to Cameron that the US government's interest in the UK is mostly about "keeping a gateway open to the EU", his reason why the UK ought to stay in the EU
Kow towing to Chinese leadership at least the correct culture.
Chinese troops are the onlyh thing missing
7 December 2015The events of the past week will go down in history as a milestone in the development of 21st century imperialism. In the space of a few days, the United States, Britain, and Germany escalated their military involvement in Syria, following France’s intensification of its own bombing campaign in Syria last month.
The pretext for these operations are the November 13 terrorist attacks in Paris, followed now by the horrific mass shooting in San Bernardino, California on Wednesday. The reasons presented to the public, however, have little to do with the strategic discussions taking place in top ranks of the military and the intelligence agencies.
As tragic as the killings of 130 people in Paris and 14 in San Bernardino are, they cannot explain the sudden and convulsive military escalation by major imperialist powers in the Middle East. One should recall that in 1915, after the sinking of the RMS Lusitania with the loss of 1,198 lives, the United States refrained from entering into World War I. At that point, the American ruling class was still divided over the advisability of intervening in the Great War.
The basic force behind war in Syria is the same as that which has motivated the imperialist carve-up of the Middle East as a whole: the interests of international finance capital. The major imperialist powers know that if they are to have a say in the division of the booty, they must have also done their share of the killing.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/12/07/pers-d07.html
'Balfour: We are probably fools not to find a reason for declaring war on Germany before she builds too many ships and takes away our trade.
White: If you wish to compete with German trade, work harder.
Balfour: That would mean lowering our standard of living. Perhaps it would be simpler for us to have a war... Is it a question of right or wrong? Maybe it is just a question of keeping our supremacy.1'
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/h...
Yep. It's funny how a lot of people think Russia is there because of goodness of heart. It has nothing to do with gaining a say in the energy flows of the region, among other things. Two sides of the same coin, yet people can't help but pick a camp...
Russia has imperialist interests as well, agreed, but those interests are counter to the West's interests, and Russia/Iran have the geo-strategic advantage, plus China at their backs.
This won't end well for anyone, but we (US) are likely to get our asses handed to us, yet again. We will never recover from this.
The smart move would be to withdraw all troops from the ME, shrug, and say "You assholes sort this out amongst yourselves. We have beer that won't drink itself."
How much beer will one day's ME military costs pay for? A lot.
+1 for "Russia has imperialist interests as well"
meanwhile, for good or bad, framed or not, France and in particular Germany have now a domestic reason for order in Syria. as a country where war refugees... can return
interestingly, their involvement will be judged on this scale by their electorates
meanwhile, for good or bad, framed or not, France and in particular Germany have now a domestic reason for order in Syria. as a country where war refugees... can return
interestingly, their involvement will be judged on this scale by their electorates
How convenient.
The camps in Syria were defunded by UN on the alleged reason the budgets ran out - so people couldnt stay any longer and were encouraged to go to Europe - this was not spontaneous exodus -
there were multiple benefits for the US coalition - cheap labor for Germany et al / eliminate ethnic concentration in Germany of Germans / and most of all eliminate the middle class that would vote for Assad in any future election - substitute who they want into Syria
Just "bring them home"? That would rise unemployment rate, does n't it?
Aside from sarc/ note where we have an idea that MIC and career soldiers are bunch of unruly kids that you can take their toys away and send them to room?
No one thinks that.
People do thibk they are there legally, fighting us backed foreign terror proxies, as the us and turkey and israel routinely violatr Syrian sovereignty to bomb the saa and aid isis
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/us-caught-faking-it-in-syria/
Good for him. Iraq was going to sell oil in Euro's and Gaddafi for Oil for gold program.
The evidence is apparent. The United Nations ran a scam called Oil For Food program. Remember?
Time to execute this fraudulent organization's. You will live a better life. Terrorism will be insolvent.
Mean while, Obozo the clown is sitting in a golf cart somewhere, jacking Reggie off.
Lastly, free market enterprise can be restored.
nukes are on high alert. def con 4. obuma is headed to hawaii for golf vacation number what 500? sleep well.
Who will police the World Police themselves?
sting; every move they make; he will be watching them
Well played.
An absolute MUST read from Dr. Preston James of Veterans Today.. A grand slam.!! Guy really gets it how to connect the dots on all.. Every ZH reader should take the time for this. A teaser left below so as to preview
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/06/slaying-the-national-security-be...
Thanks Dr. James ! We need more like you!
Slaying the NatiHow can we slay the National Security Beast before it destroys our way of life and puts a boot in our face 24 hours a day, 7 days a week forever?onal Security Beast"he wealthy Khazarian leaders took their money and split from their people and have had a deadly blood feud against Russia and Persia ever since, culminating in the Bolshevik Revolution which mass murdered up to 100 million Russians and the now current mercenary war against Syria and Iran using American CIA, Israeli, Saudi and Turkish hired and supplied mercenaries paid with revenues from stolen oil.
These Khazarian leaders seized control over the City of London Banking through very crafty means and did the same over American money creation and distribution, able to set up a phony illegal, unConstitutional private central bank that issued only fake intersst bearing debt and called it money to fool most of the American People. the rest they either bought off, marginalized or if a serious threat murdered them like Abe Lincoln or John F. Kennedy, both while President of the United States and both trying to boot out these private Khazarian Banksters.
The current failing attempt of the Khazarians to retake the Ukraine and re-institute their old homeland because Israel, their current extra-legal nest and home base is a failing state that will be certainly Balkanized for its Apartheid against Palestine and for being deeply involved in the attack on America on 9-11-01.
“…whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…,” –quotation from the section written into the Declaration of Independence by Founding Father Thomas Jefferson which was signed on July 4, 1776 by the Continental Congress.
Obviously slaying this illegal, unConstitutional, RICO crime syndicate American National Security Beast is going to be an exceedingly difficult task due to the the incredible power and might the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) has been able to attain through extreme criminal and anti-human means.
And we now know for certain that the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) is not only the privately run Military Industrial Complex but is the operative arm and international enforcer of the “Select Few” who run Majestic.
Will read later. Thank you. Meanwhile, BIS is fucking hiding to interconnect. I don't like Bank of International Settlements. However, there are great people who are working within.
07Dec/ François Groepe: African central banks and monetary policy challenges
07Dec/Stanley Fischer: Financial stability and shadow banks - what we don't know could hurt us
06Dec/December 2015 BIS Quarterly Review: Uneasy calm awaiting lift-off
Do you remember to term "lift off" from yesterday's post regarding two economic systems colliding between moderazation or dependency theory? Both are Marxist bullshit.
I've read it. So the solution is "group prayer"?
That's sure to work./sarc..............That's why we are fooked...because of folks like you who have taken leave of their critical faculties.
The author of the article gets it all right then at the end takes a turd in the punch bowl with his reference to MAjestic/UFO/Aliens. Discrediting --fowling the punch bowl. He is not here to help but discredit the whole theory of Kazarian Mafia. A LA JIM Marrs.
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/western-firms-plan-to-cash-in-on...
Western firms primed to cash in on Syria’s oil and gas ‘frontier’
by Nafeez Ahmed
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Murdoch is the owner of News Corporation, the world’s second largest media conglomerate before it split in 2013 into News Corp, where he is executive chairman, and 21st Century Fox, where he is co-executive chairman, running the corporation with his two sons, Lachlan and James.
As such, Murdoch is a dominant force over newspapers, publishers and TV networks in the English-language media, encompassing BSkyB, The Times and The Sun in the UK; the FOX cable network including FOX News, Dow Jones, The Wall Street Journal, New York Post and National Geographic in the US; The Australian, The Daily Telegraph, and Herald Sun in Australia?—?to name just a few.
“I believe Genie Energy’s technologies and vast shale oil licenses have real potential to spur a global, geo-political paradigm shift by moving a major portion of new oil production to America, Israel, and other western-oriented democracies,” said Murdoch explaining his reasons for investing in the firm.
During the Leveson inquiry, it emerged that the global media baron had numerous undisclosed meetings with Prime Minister David Cameron, who appeared to have close relationships with Murdoch and other senior News Corp. officials.
Murdoch and Rothschild also serve on Genie’s strategic advisory board. Joining them on the board are Larry Summers, former Director of President Obama’s National Economic Council; ex-CIA Director James Woolsey, a former Vice-President of NSA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, Director of the neoconservative Foundation for Defense of Democracies, advisory board member of anti-Muslim hate group the Gatestone Institute, international patron to the Henry Jackson Society; Dick Cheney, former Vice-President under George W. Bush; and Bill Richardson, former Secretary of Energy under Clinton, Governor of New Mexico and Obama nominee for Secretary of Commerce.
Dismembering Syria to stave-off peak oil
Another of Genie Oil and Gas’s subsidiaries is American Shale Oil, a joint project with the French major Total SA. Total was among the sponsors of the 2010 international oil and gas exhibition hosted by the Assad regime in Damascus.
American Shale Oil (AMSO) operates in the US in Colorado’s Green River Formation, estimated to hold 3 trillion barrels of recoverable oil.
On its website, the company offers an extraordinary declaration regarding its rationale for focusing on unconventional oil and gas resources in the US and Israel:
“The peaking of world oil production presents the US and the world with an enormous challenge. Aggressive action must be taken to avoid unprecedented economic, social and political costs.”"
Look at the other end of the "book ends" in eastern Syria / western Iraq - symbol (GENL.L) Londond based -
so both have same objectives - Syrian breakup - one controlled by Nathan Rothchild and the other Jacob
http://www.oilempire.us/new-map.html
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http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future
So if an S300 downes an US plane which is "not there", I suppose no problems then?
Well, we didn't count the American dead during the Georgia war and we undercounted the American dead in the Iraq war, so, yeah, Syria should be "no problem."
It's going to be a bit harder to "laugh off" nukes.
photoshopped 4 sure
US never has, never will bomb ISIS because ISIS is USUS...
And Israel won't get bombed because they are hedging a financial gaming paybook for Wallstreet.
that's a neat trick..."we don't know which planes bombed you"
Could be Israel, Trukey, France, USA, did I miss anyone?
Just taunting Russia to S400 them
UK, Saudi Arabia, Jordan ...
Saudi Arabia is backing the United States derivatives to continue confict. It's getting to obvious now. The players are ratted out for the next guy in charge.
B b but the Pentagon flatly rejects Saudi Arabia and turkeys involvement in isis...pentagon, the same people that said Iraq and Afghanistan did 911, and that it's OK to fund alqueda because they are moderate. Lol
Ifwe don't impeach Obama, he is going to start WW3. There is no doubt about where this clown is taking us.
you are 100% right. :) Getting rid of Obama will stop all this madness. Then Trump comes in riding a unicorn waving the murican flag to save the day.
Bashar al-Assad | president of Syria | Britannica.com
Since the guy holding the toy clearly isn't dressed as a Russian soldier, this is probably a clear but deniable "diplomatic" message, Putin style, to Turkey: See, this is what we'll do in retaliation for what you did to us. We'll arm these guys (Kurds, possibly?) with weapons so they can shoot down some of your planes. We'll see how you like it!
Meanwhile Iran is now resurgent, following on from the US nuclear deal and seeking to build a bridge head across to Hezbollah in Lebanon, much to the chagrin if the Turks, Saudis and the Israelis. Russia is also resurgent having basically got away with annexing Crimea and invading Ukraine. US hegemony is a thing of the past (no troops on the ground anymore). France is cosying up to Israel and Saudi (those lucrative weapons contracts) and following in the footsteps of the Vichy government which had a little spell in Syria. Russia meanwhile recognises Syrian sovereignty, but allegedly is giving Israel the go ahead to bomb Hezbollah.
Everybody bar the blind and the stupid now knows that the invasion of Syria was a leo-con plot and that the chief aim was to secure Syrian land for the pipeline planned by Qatar et al. ISIS was born out of connivances by those actors that wanted to destabilise Syria.
Keep dropping those bombs.
Obama and Erdogan .... double down ?
ZeroHedge: "TURKEY accuses Russia of violating the Montreaux Treaty"
Apparently just because some Russian sailor has a defensive short-range ManPad on a ship - Turkey decides to go ballistic. But let's not forget that the whole Russian ship is armed to the teeth anyway .... because it's a warship. And that Turkey just shot down a Russian plane recently.
I really try to avoid conspiracy theories. But ...
IT SURE LOOKS LIKE TURKEY - OR SOMEONE IN NATO - IS TRYING TO START A WAR WITH RUSSIA.
Once again, we ask the question that was brought up here on ZH by astute readers this weekend. If the relationship between Turkey and Russia is sinking to these low levels .... Why On Earth are NATO ships sailing on the Black Sea? It looks like an invitation to certain disaster.
Huge Western debt, a fight for the future of who supplies gas and energy to the world and a currency war all point into a certain direction where many innocents die. Meanwhile, 95% of the planet are mouth-breathing fools who blissfully whistle past the graveyard they will soon occupy.
You're high.
Russia is being provactive ALL OVER THE WORLD!
We had a fucking Russian bomber within 40 miles of the California coast this summer.
Google can out this "poor poor Russia" bullshit in a nano second...
Turkey ruled by a turkey ?
Apparently in another blatant sign of intimidation the Russian ship also had some missiles, guns and cannons on board. As well as side arms and lots of ammo. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WARSHIPS CARRY!
Anyway, also could have been just the plumber.
Time for a No Fly Zone over all of Syria. That's what Obama is now doing by bombing Assad's forces directly. Testing Putin's resolve.
In August Assad was packing his bags. Now the headloppers and liver eaters are going back to their 72 white grapes*. So this is to stop Assad's momentum and force Putin to escalate so Obama can cry foul/fowl - pun intended with Turkey har de har!
*mis translation. You don't get 72 virigns. You get 72 white grapes.
You don't have to be Nostradamus to know what is next. Turkey blocks the straits and starts boarding Russian ships passing through. Will it happen before Christmas? Most likely while Joe Sixpack and Sally Housecoat are out spending money they don't have on junk they don't need
"Turkey blocks the straits and starts boarding Russian ships passing through."
Quite possible.
That is when Turkey learns that the chickens are coming home to roost.
The closing of the Straits to Russian ships will be a real tipping point for this situation to go downhill - fast! The Russians are well aware that this scenario is coming. They will be prepared to respond.
The soldier holding the weapon in that photo isn't wearing a uniform, and it looks like it has been blatantly doctored.
Assuming that the photo is real (not a fake) ... It looks like the person with the ManPad is an intelligence officer of some kind. That is a guess - but plausible. It certainly looks like the Russians are making a strong statement.
But the truth is ... the Bosphorus is a very narrow waterway. ALL ships going through there are at risk, including NATO vessels. It only takes one "bad actor" to start a major incident on that stretch of water.