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How Obama Is Using The Grossly Unconstitutional "No Fly List" To Push Gun Control
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
The faux “liberal” who holds the White House was at it once again last night. As he’s accommodated to doing, he presented a radically undemocratic and unconstitutional practice as a common sense appeal to the American public to accept gun control. What I am referring to specifically is the following passage from last night’s speech:
To begin with, Congress should act to make sure no one on a no-fly list is able to buy a gun. What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semi-automatic weapon? This is a matter of national security.
Obama is not stupid. He knows exactly how shady the no fly list is, yet he’s pushing on national television as a way to enact gun control. The effectiveness of his bullshit depends on an unbelievably ignorant voter base, as well as the cultish, thoughtless devotion from what’s left of his zombified supporters.
To explain what I mean, it’s important to understand what the “no-fly” list actually is. As relates to a lawsuit it filed against the government on behalf of veterans placed on the list without notice, the ACLU notes the following:
In a motion for partial summary judgment, the ACLU asked the court to rule that the inadequate redress process for people on the list violates the Constitution’s guarantee of due process. The court partially granted that motion in August 2013, holding that the Constitution applies when the government bans Americans from air travel. In June 2014, the court struck down the government’s redress process as unconstitutional, and it ordered the government to tell the ACLU’s clients why they are on the No Fly List and give them the opportunity to challenge their inclusion on the list before the court. In October 2014, the government finally informed seven of the 13 plaintiffs that they were not on the list, and it then provided the remaining six plaintiffs with unclassified “summaries” of the reasons for their placement on the list. However, the government still keeps its full reasons secret. It also withholds evidence and exculpatory information from our clients and refuses to give them a live hearing to establish their credibility or cross-examine witnesses. Because of these and other serious problems, the ACLU has challenged the revised process as unconstitutional.
Until the government fixes its unconstitutional new process, people on the No Fly List are barred from commercial air travel with no meaningful chance to clear their names, resulting in a vast and growing group of individuals whom the government deems too dangerous to fly but too harmless to arrest.
Just in case you still aren’t aware of how egregiously the “no-fly” list flies in the face of the Bill of Rights, here’s the 5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
The “no-fly” list since inception has without question deprived American citizens of life and liberty without due process. In fact, the government made slight improvements only after being sued by the ACLU. Furthermore, were the San Bernardino shooters on the “no-fly” list? Where any of the other highly publicized mass shooters on it?
Meanwhile, as the Intercept noted last year, nearly half of the people on the U.S. government’s widely shared Terrorist Screening Database from which the no-fly list names are selected, are not connected to any known terrorist group. In addition, it noted that:
Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000 - surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush.
So should we be at all surprised that President Obama is using one egregious violation of Constitutional rights to target another?
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For related articles, see:
How to Spot a Hypocrite in the Gun Debate and Other Reflections on Newtown
ACLU: Gun Control Bill Threatens Privacy Rights and Civil Liberties
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Tsarnaev brothers and these recent people were not on the no fly list.
If they are on no fly list perhaps they shouldn't be in our country and should be exiled.
That recent woman who looks (well, sorry, she looked) like a guy even gave a false address in the background check thingamajigglie
Extremely effective vetting, deluxe!
I guess no one understands that Obama is not talking to us the public, but them the elites that paid to have him sitting there. The tribe lobby and the rest of the tribe wannabes. He's talking to them, not us. We are not his peers.
We are the ones with too many guns for them to enact their agenda freely.
100% CORRECT.
Chalkie's jest.....following the script...told to say/what to say/HOW to say it/and has his trusty TelEPromPter to look soooooooooooo....
convincing....
Fuckbama....fucking up things.....AS DESIGNED....he is just the bathhouse messenger....
Val Jarret is just not that smart.
One of her minions wrote the speech, quite obviously.
“A liberal’s paradise would be a place where
everybody has guaranteed employment, free
comprehensive healthcare, free education, free food, free housing, free
clothing, free utilities, and only law enforcement has guns.
And believe it or not, such a place does indeed already
exist.
It's called Prison."
Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Maricopa
County, Arizona
Barry is merely trying to follow in the footsteps of his heroes Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hitler. These wannabe tyrants know only one strategy: Disarm then murder your opponents. And he might just get away with it, thanks to the useful idiots around the world.
he (and/or Hitlery) will not get away with it.
I was gonna say 'Heaven'.
Where the Guy in the Sky will wipe every tear from your face, the streets are paved with gold, lions will be made to lie down with lambs, and you won't have to marry.
Told ya that Jesus is a Commie, Hippie.
Lol @ Kirk. I think Jesus was good. Some of the his followers...well, that's another story.
Saw on a bumper sticker "Dear Jesus, protect me from your followers."
let's go right to martial Crime wil drop like a rock, the police can just shoot anybody on sight. Within reason of course, they cannot shot people on their own property. That comes later. That way, people do not need guns, cars (which can be used as weapons). Knives are useless if you cannot leave your property.
future building codes will require cinder block house construction.
If we take away all rights, say phased in over 10 years, we wil hardly notice it. To help, each person gets two 50 inch TVs. and new ones each 3 years toe eep up with technology--that way, people wil be happier at home. The TV of course -cable and sat TV can be overseen by th egovernment so everyday you can see some consistent real news.
Windows wil be boarded up aso homes efficiency improves.
This kind of idea has legs--lets brainstorm for better ideas.
the chicken leggedchickensht illegal indonesiankenyan alien muslim fudgepacker needs its lying, cheating skin sandpapered off, buried in salt and then thrown out in the middle of a syrian desert with a can of pennzoil.
All this bull shit would clear up and go away if airlines were boycotted for a very few weeks. The crying could bring down a president.
I was put on the "no fly" list by George Bush in 2003 when I emailed him a couple of times telling him not to go to war in Iraq. No criminal record, just a Caucasian man who saw the handwriting on the wall. For all I know I'm still on the list but stopped flying years ago when doing business become untenable. Maybe I should be exiled like "One And Only" said. The no fly list is bullshit, a place where people who don't kowtow to the state end up. I'd guess that about 75% of the posters on ZH qualify by the way based on the comments they post.
Obama, Get rid of your Secret Service bitches first and their guns, then we can talk.
I still remember when he came to Brussels a year ago :)
He brought a 6000 strong detail with him and half of Brussels was turned into a fortress.
I wonder how many bullets you would catch if you came within 100 feet of him asking for a autograph...
I also remember the words from Condolisa Rise when Bush left office... one day people will think of Bush as a hero... I guess she knew what succeeded him to this day...
Who would really want his autograph????
If I was unfortunate to ever shake hands with the SCOMF I would give him the stink palm lol. Could I get put on the no fly list for that?
.."Who would really want his autograph????"..
I would, on his confession.
A 6,000 member security/staff detail you say?
Well now let's see, let's say 600 per plane, so that's TEN passenger jets (I'm not counting the cars, trucks, automobiles or helicopters) worth of "folks" spewing all that global warming CO2 just to get across the pond and back.
What did say he was doing there, trying to save the fucking planet? ;-)
typical progressiveliberaldemocrap bullsht - impement their bullsht policies for everyone else but not them... come to think of it, the bullsht republicants do the same thing... fukem... fukemall....
Oh yeah...the NO-FLY list. I was on the NO-FLY list for about 2 years a while back. It was a total pain in the ass everytime I wanted to fly. I finally asked a Delta rep how I got on it and how I could get off. She looked at my last name and told me it was because I was Irish. Hmmm! So all you leprechauns out there, prepare to give up your pistolas. The BIG BLACK leprechaun speaketh. It shall be done!
Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max"
I wounder what demographic owns more illegal guns than any other and most likely is responsible for the use of such on their very own kind?
Tapping foot, thinking
So the gun control efforts will first be directed to disarming the inner city hoodlums, right? No? Then what's it for? Oh yeah, now I get it....
ISIS needs them...
Ready converts , eh Kareem?
So my ar could be in a pic with some plumbers trade in Toyota truck?
Crack for guns might work
is obomba's fly on the list?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzgOS8dbF64
rights and laws, so cute.
Germany received 200.000 refugees last month. IN 1 MONTH!!!
Imagine that this continues for the next 5 years!
gun control???? PEOPLE WILL BE BUYING LATHES TO MAKE THEIR OWN GUNS IF THAT CONTINUES!!!!
"Germans make good shit" viny # shamewow
Have you looked at the prices of even used lathes in Germany recently?
You'd have to on welfare in Germany to afford those.
But there are far more practical (and affordable) alternatives
@Sudden Debt
Not just Germany:
90% of US Naturalizations from 3rd World
Well, CNC vertical mills but yeah, I am with you. I don't think I could do a good barrel on my lathe. A smithey 3 in 1 could probably do the trick.
Maybe they'll just print them.
NOW the right is up in arms (pun intended) about the no fly list because of "gun rights".
Fuckin nuts.
Idea, we should give all the SS bananas, so they can feed them to the assbanana-in-chief
https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.m.tooley/posts/10204919284284164
gee that really sucks because flying is such a treat these days. [/SARCASM]
47,000 people is really nothing compared to the almost 6,000,000 felons who can not already purchase/own firearms. I think they'll try to target agitators of the state instead of actual threats, and abuse the shit out of this as they have with the no-fly list in general. If they do overstep they'll get their shit pushed in by the outrage of the right. All it will take is one story of a veteran trying to go on a honeymoon with his wife who can't fly or is denied a firearm purchase. This executive branch has got to be the dumbest, most ineffectual group to ever hold the office.
I'm more and more convinced each day that Obama has an IQ of like 80 but the ego of someone with an IQ of 160.
I'm all for gun control.
It's about time they took guns away from criminal cops.
Just take them from the DOD, and great many global problems would be solved.
How about nobody on the "no fly list" gets a US VISA?
Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong ...
It's pretty obvious that this mystery list is an excuse to violate the Second Amendment. The government can expand the list at will, refuse to share information from the list, and deny a person a gun for whatever arbitrary reason the government uses to put someone onto the list.
King George would have loved this much power.
you guys are wrong, this list was meant for Arabs. /s
I know of 2 people who were erroneously put on this list. took over a month to get it cleared up. Anything .gov is involved with is fucked up and incompetent
Consider that the DHS considers White veterans, Whites who oppose gun control and immigration as being "TERRORISTS" then you can figure out what Obama is doing...
OBAMA COMING FOR GUNS IN FINAL YEAR
The NRA will fall. It’s inevitable. Just look at the demographics. The Washington Post, October 19, 2015
by Adam Winkler professor at UCLA School of Law
See also:
Jews and Jewish organizations lead the gun control campaign by Professor Kevin MacDonald
Jews and Gun Control: A Reprise by Andrew Joyce, Ph.D.
Bowl Cuts & Hate Facts: The Comedy of Million Dollar Extreme
the DHS is a terrorist organ, just sayn'
If yo don't like your voters, get new ones.
Many whites support decades of bombing in the ME causing millions to die, destorying schools, roads, hospitals and infrstructure that took decades to build. Then, once refugees flee, church organizatins receive federal funding to bring them into the US. Many whites support bombing Syria right now. Many whites want to 'kick some Russian' ass! Many whites believe we are fighting ISIS. Many whites remain clueless about monetary policy by outside banking oligarchs that have held America hostage for over 100 years. Many whites support Israel even with clear evidence that they act against America's interests. The entire ME policy bankrupting America has always been for 'Greater Israel.' There is a mountain of evidence as to who is behind the destruction of USA. All they have to do is seek, read and take action.
All American gun owners will be added to the no fly list and their guns confiscated, just slow enough and quietly enough to avoid a major response....
The Donald and Ben need to address this NO FLY list bootleg of the tyrants asap, and promise us to stop this.
I am thinking that Obumpuss should do one of two things.
1. Pass an amendment to the constitution that repeals the second amendment.
2. Individually prosecute every person on the no fly fully through the court system, have them be labeled a traitor, have their citizenship revoked and banish them from the country.
Otherwise there is no logical explanation for either the no fly list OR trying to take away their rights.
These lists have nothing to do with terrorism, the people making the lists have funded terrorism.
So, if the Gustapo puts you on their political list for being a political undesirable, "anti-semite", anti-government, anti-banking whatever and you can no longer fly, consequently, this affects your ability to earn an income (in this shit economy that they have destroyed) and you have decided to purchase yourself a Rosetta Stone learn Russian and then you are luckily accepted for immigration to Russia because you have skills they need and they know your government is nuts, how would you get out?
Would they let you into Mexico if your on the list? Could you catch a boat out of this rotting cesspool that used to be a great country? Or would you be stuck unable to fly, unemployable and unable to leave?
Goldman Sachs buys into Turkish Petkim’s Aegean port
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/goldman-sachs-buys-into-turkish-petkims...
U.S. multinational investment banking company Goldman Sachs has become a partner in Turkey’s largest integrated port, operated by petrochemicals maker Petkim, in a deal that will boost the company’s plans to develop the port to make it largest of Aegean region.
Petkim has announced that it has reached a preliminary agreement to sell its 30 percent stakes in Petkim Limanc?l?k (Petlim) for $250 million, after months of talks that started in February this year.
Petkim and Petlim are controlled by the Turkish branch of Azeri energy giant Socar. Petlim was founded to deal with the economic operation of Petkim’s port in the Alia?a district of the Aegean province of ?zmir.
“One of the world’s biggest investors becoming a partner to our port company means approval of the value and economy of our project,” Socar Turkey President Kenan Yavuz said, speaking after a ceremony to mark the signing of the deal as well as a preliminary financing agreement with Turkish lender Akbank for the port project.
“We have signed a preliminary agreement for our port investment’s project financing with one of Turkey’s largest banks Akbank. We will secure $211 million in financing with a 13 year maturity within the term-sheet,” Yavuz said.
“We’re very glad to realize the share transfer deal with a global giant such as Goldman Sachs and the project financing agreement with Akbank on the same day,” he added.
The investment, which will become Turkey’s third container port, will become operational in the last quarter of 2015, Yavuz also said.
The Petkim Container Port, which for the first time in Turkey will enable the berthing of ships with 11,000 TEUs, will possess a starting capacity of 1.5 million TEUs. A logistic field with a total of 48 hectares will be created, with 42 hectares in the port field for container storage and 6 hectares in the rear service area.
FBI Checks Wrong Box, Places Student on No-Fly List
http://www.wired.com/2014/02/no-fly-list-bungle/
Scholar Wins Court Battle to Purge Name From U.S. No-Fly List
http://www.wired.com/2014/01/no-fly-ruling/
"Pipkin and a team of lawyers handled the case pro bono, spending $300,000 in court costs and racking up $3.8 million in legal fees covering some 11,000 hours of work, she said. “Why in the United States of America does it cost that much to clear a woman’s name?” she asked in a telephone interview."
With respect to denial of firearm purchases based upon a secret suspected terrorist list, you can't strip American citizens of their Constitutional rights using a secret and arbitrary list that does not require any kind of formal or legal accusation, prosecution or conviction, which you can't know you're on nor fight in court to get yourself taken off of even if you did. But most Americans are TOO FUCKING STUPID to realize the great danger in EVER allowing that.
Yet you do the exact same thing with your cartoon.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/they-shot-the-wrong-guy-wisconsin-cops-a...
Obama does whatever is necessary to satisfy his nutty base.
To hell with the Constitution.
Make guns expensive and hard to get and those who have none will be even more inclined to take yours away from you.
Every American will be put on the 'not flight list' so no one will be able to get a gun.
Or leave the country by plane. That's what this phase is about; you have to stay so they can tax you. That's also why they want the guns; the hammer really comes down and the tax slavery really goes up when everyone is unarmed.
I have a wild idea; what if we started seeing this as another "red line" he's drawing, with no credible plan to back it. Certain states are already having success with nullification of gun laws and drug laws, and Texas is fighting harder than most on the forced Syrian migration, and on gold repatriation. Wouldn't it be wild if 20+ states decided to simply not enforce gun control law?
so Radical Islamists shoot Americans dead and Obama wants to put Americans on secret lists with secret rules and no real practical way to get off said list AND block your right to bear arms.
the no fly list is a backdoor way to remove your rights. every ZHr could easily be put on that list.
How about making a 200 meter radius around President Obama as a Gun Free Zone, gotta practice what he preaches.
That is what Ive been saying... give his SS thugs rape whistles, or big signs they can hold up that say, "hey, you, BAD GUY, stop that"
A monkey with purple lips and his butty, "RL", go into a house to illegally steal guns.The monkey notices a dog on the couch licking his junk. Monkey turns to RL and says, "I wish I could do that". To which RL replies, "maybe you better ask his owner first".