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Iran Has "Irrefutable Evidence" Of Turkey's Role In ISIS Oil Trade
When Turkey shot down an Su-24 near the Syrian border late last month, the world held its collective breath. Everyone was asking themselves the same question: “How will Putin respond?”
The fear was that Moscow would retaliate militarily. After all, Putin isn’t exactly known for backing down from a fight. Of course an attack on one NATO member is considered an attack on the entire alliance and so, it appeared that the world might have witnessed a Franz Ferdinand moment, if you will.
But Putin had an ace up his sleeve.
Rather than sending a couple of Tupolev Tu-95 Bears to Ankara, Moscow unleashed a propaganda campaign aimed at exposing Turkey’s role in facilitating Islamic State’s lucrative oil trade. It was almost as though Putin was just waiting for Turkey to give him an excuse. Just hours after the Russian warplane crashed, Putin accused Turkey of buying ISIS oil on the way to calling Erdogan a “backstabber”. Adding insult to injury, he said all of that while sitting right next to Jordan’s King Abdullah.
From there, Moscow proceeded to deliver near daily pronouncements accusing Erdogan and his family of funding international terrorism and the entire media campaign culminated in an epic presentation by the Russian MoD featuring photos of oil trucks, videos of airstrikes and maps detailing the trafficking of stolen oil.
As it turns out, this strategy has done far more damage to Ankara than one could ever hope to achieve with a couple of bombing runs. Turkey’s complicity in the smuggling of stolen crude from Syria and Iraq has been put on display for the entire world to see and it’s been nothing short of an epic embarrassment for Erdogan. It’s also helped to inform the public about the extent to which ISIS operates with the support of state actors. Last week, Russia even went so far as to suggest that the US is involved as well.
Washington and Ankara vehemently deny the accusations, but with each new video clip out of Moscow, it becomes more and more difficult for the US and Turkey to explain why it looks like ISIS is able to smuggle oil across the Turkish border with impunity.
Make no mistake, Russia knows damn well what’s going on here, but Moscow has taken the same approach with regard to the US as it did in early October when Putin cordially invited Washington to join forces in the fight against ISIS. That is, last week’s jabs (mentioned above) notwithstanding, Moscow has generally presented the evidence to the US as though The Kremlin seriously expects America to consider it and break off its alliance with Turkey. Russia did the same thing in early October when Moscow invited the US to join forces in the war on terror.
In both cases, Moscow knows that Washington is complicit in the effort to arm, fund, and train Sunni extremists and by making public overtures like proposing alliances and presenting evidence of state sponsored terror, The Kremlin puts The White House in a very awkward position: America is effectively forced to explain what’s going on to the public and when it comes to Syria, there’s no way to do that without exposing the entire charade.
Well, just in case the US needs any more “help” in determining whether its ally in Ankara is in fact supporting “the terrorists” (as Sergei Lavrov refers to ISIS), or if perhaps Erdogan’s right hand isn’t aware of what his left hand is doing, Iran is here to help. “Iranian military advisors in Syria have taken photos and filmed all the routes used by ISIL's oil tankers to Turkey. If the Turkish authorities are unaware of the Daesh oil sales in their country, then we can provide them with such intelligence,” Iran’s Expediency Council Secretary Mohsen Rezaie told reporters on Friday.
Meanwhile, Iranian diplomat and analyst Seyed Hadi Afghahi had the following to say in an interview with Sputnik:
“It is important to point out a few key points. Firstly, it is important to understand whether it is sure that the purchase by Turkey of Daesh’s stolen oil was carried out with the full knowledge of President Erdogan, his son and son in law. The reaction of Erdogan and Turkish authorities can say one thing: they were stunned and shocked that Moscow has such evidence. This significantly affected the position of Turkey's NATO allies.
"Our military advisers and trainers are in the immediate vicinity of the event. Our experts are involved in operations in three areas: strategic, tactical and informational. They are in contact with their Russian counterparts. Through the efforts of our countries (Russia, Iran, Syria, Iraq) the Information Centre for the fight against terrorists and Daesh was established.
"In addition, our experts are working closely with the Syrian army, the soldiers of the Lebanese ‘Hezbollah’ in the conduct of the fight against terrorists. Therefore, any exchange of intelligence between our military agencies, and ways to monitor traffic of trucks with contraband oil, heading in the direction of Turkey, is gathered in photographs and videos."
"If Erdogan continues to deny the facts [Iran] will provide more irrefutable hard evidence such as photos, GPS navigation of the oil convoys and videos.”
This all comes as Erdogan sends troops and tanks to Iraq where Shiite militias loyal to Iran have promised to attack any and all Turkish interests and where some Shiite politicians in Baghdad are calling on PM Haider al-Abadi to seek "direct military intervention" from Russia to expel the Turks (see our full account here).
On that note, we'll close with one last quote from Afghahi:
"The immensely ambitious policy of President Erdogan fundamentally damaged relations with many countries. Ankara’s actions ranging from the downed Russian plane, disrespectful remarks against the Iranian authorities, and the illegal invasion by Turkish tanks in the territory of another state – Iraq, all point to the fact that Erdogan is trying to ignite flames of new war in the already unstable region."
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So?
What difference does it make?
Russia able to impose an effective no fly zone over Syria, put harsh sanctions against Turkey, move and deploy S-400 missile systems werever they want, without anyone capable to prevent or complain about it, including Israel.
Pretty big difference.
What difference does it make? Iran is our newest BFF. We must not doubt the oilatollahs who run Iran. BFF power !
Now would you just please just BTFD !
The spice must flow. And with it blood, until we pull our heads out and snatch what is ours from the jaws of the oligarchs.
What's worse is the fact that the US is COMPLICIT in this terrorist support plot.
Totally unacceptable and not only worthy of a Presidential impeachment, but a financial withdrawal of the USD from all nations using and agreeing to use the USD in trade and commerce. This makes the USD a toxic currency and anyone using it is indirectly supporting global theft of resources and crimes against humanity.
The world needs to move away from the "global policeman" being the #1 terrorist.
Who cares what Russia is able to do. The question is what will they do.
Who cares what USA is able to do. The question is what will they do.
Eventually go full retard
...... pretty sure the sun now sets between us and the Full Retard line.......
Stop insulting tards. Maybe they don't want to be affiliated with 'merka.
Good question. What Russia is not prepared to do is be lured into taking rash military action against Turkey. The SU-24 shoot down was a provocation hoping to get Russia to act militarily. Something Russia does not plan to do. They have a plan. To use air pwoer to support the Syria Arab Army to crush rebels across Syria. Retake ground and force NATO and Turkey to make a military move to stop Russia or Syria's Army. Only then would Russia even consider being sucked into rash military action against NATO, USA, Turkey, or anyone else.
Wouldn't it be something if the Iraqi M-1s were sent to blow up the Turkish M-60s tanks? (I was a Navy guy so if that isn't an M-60 in the pic I apologize in advance)
It is the essence of the MIC/Krugman wet dream
Not complicit, but dominant, instrumental and fully responsible. Maxima Culpa.
+1
Erdogan thinks we (the West) have his back.
He's so wrong.
There isn't a single government in Western Europe that would survive the weekend if they decided on military action to back the Turks. I don't care what the NATO treaty says, there would be revolutions and guillotines.
I'm not exaggerating when I say Turkish soccer fans are the main reason Turkey is utterly despised across most of Europe.
Nobody but nobody would fight for Turkey and the fact they are in NATO means absolutely nothing. We wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0GrcQ9kXbI
Good point. European population from Baltics to the Balkans, nobody would answer the call to fight battles for Turkey. In fact, most Europeans wish Turkey would fall off the fucking map once and for all. It is only the USA who stand fully behind Turks. Why? Because a big ocean keeps Turks a long way away.
Growing up in germany in the late 60s i remember this house that was owned by turks, my grandma (omma) and me walked past it on the way to and from the market. Was scary place, very unfriendly people. They were considered trash back then too.
<-- Ultimately, months or years from now, Erdogan will 'swing' by the rope, or worse
<-- Ultimately, months or years from now, Erdogan will take Political Asylum in the West (US, UK)
Based on modern history, obviously asylum for a couple of years, followed by being appointed governor of an Oblast in Ukraine.
Well that is the plan, but will TPTB be able execute it?
So beat the 9/11 drum. It was a false flag operation, please everyone get past 'conspiracy theory' and go watch one of the Architect and Engineers for 9/11 Truth videos. Nobody can watch one of their videos and think anything but "Yes, how could it have taken me this long to understand? MSM propagands is GOOD!"
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-the-weak-spot/
Our whole world is FUBARed because of the effects of 9/11, the most pressing of which for the people who did that bit of treason is the fact that they will be hung if peace is allowed. All the hatred and stupidity and perverse everything follows from that requirement of keeping their heads on their torsos.
They must have a military takeover to keep their heads. That will require revolution, which requires gun control and abortion and blacks vs whites and every single possible division be magnified, and all possible communities being shut down.
In other countries, at some point in here a special forces squad comes through a neighborhood and kills everyone they can. Bingo, ethnic division. They did Yugoslavia, the entire balkans with that.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/18/you-who-allow-yourselves-t...
The Truth, from the guy the media hates?
Imagine that.
Lay it out. Lay out israeli payments to Turkey while you are at it!
RIPS
Good one, Deathtrips. Especially the last line! Thanks for rising so above most of the haze of stemmer commentors here.
Convoys of oil tankers going from Syrian oil fields stretching to the horizon and entering Turkey, and no "smoke" from them destroying the oil, to quote Putin, and ship based oil tankers leaving Turkish ports, isn't that proof enough?
so many wars. Its like I am hearing about wars and rumors of wars.
Updated:
"wars and videos of wars"
Re Wesson:
Nothing has been stopping Russia before now. Everyone knew and knows what is going on.
I think having Turkey shoot down a Russian jet in Syria and brag about it was more than enough justification for a no-fly zone if Putin had the guts to do one. In fact, Syria is a soverign country and that alone was justification to do one as soon as Russia began bombing some people.
Reality is Turkey recently moved troops INTO Syria and Russia does nothing. Just yesterday the US flew planes into Syria and bombed a Syrian military base freely and with impunity.
The US might charge off half-cocked and destroy things without thinking of the consequences much as you describe, but not Russia. My bet is the idiots at the pentagram are a hell of a lot more afraid of Putin than even a Russian bag-lady is of America. No matter what the US does all one need do is wait for them to screw up or run away after a hand-full of backward neanderthals wearing pyjamas kicks their asses. Why waste good ammo?
Blankone, didn't you know only the US has the right to violate any other country's air space at will. Its the law look it up.
"Just yesterday the US flew planes into Syria and bombed a Syrian military base freely and with impunity".
This is because only you think that "impunity."
The next time, the army of Syria will be have a very serious air defense - as a gift from Russia.
The planes of US, which will "accidentally" and "by mistake" bombing the Syrian army, will be shot down by Syrian air defense too, "accidentally" and "by mistake".
This solution to the problem and the answer is in the style of Putin.
Of course, if the United States so much want a war with Russia, they will get it. But for the US, this war will be the last war in the short history of the country called the United States. Amen.
Putin has already said IN PUBLIC that US cities will not be spared if war breaks out. One can only imagine what has been communicated not in public. In a nuclear exchange the US or what's left of it might manage to declare a victory, but their will be nothing left to live for.
But thank God the Clintons, Obamas and Bushes will be safe. And you can bet Cheney and his degenerate clan will be safe as well, in fact, there'll probably be a couple of unsuspecting young guys there, who just happen to be a perfect match for Cheney when he needs to harvest another healthy heart.
With what will Syria shoot down the jets? Only Russia has the S400, Putin has to this day refused to deliver the S300 that was contracted for by Syria in 2007. And why would Syria not have what they needed now? So much for being a chess player. And why was the S400 system that Russia does have in Syria not used if Putin will protect Syrian/Hezbollah troops?
Always tomorrow. Always next time. Turkey, the country that shot down a Russian jet in Syria has moved troops into Syria. And nothing.
I understand the Syrian S-300s are being delivered. Additionally, Russia is furiously working the diplomatic channels in conjunction with every move on the battlefield. What you are seeing out of Turkey is going to split NATO and you can bet that Russia is working on the weak seams.
Soviet air defense many times knocked down US planes. And do nothing, except for some applications. Always tomorrow.
The no fly zone should have been put in place the first week of russian activities when the US dad its pants around its ankles
"The bad news is Iran is capable of making a nuclear bomb. The good news is they have to drop it from a camel."
--David Letterman
You're a fool. Iran has had nukes since the early 8-'s, bought on the black from the ex soviet
stockpi;es.MIRV warheads, easily smuggled. I'd lay you good odds they are not sitting in an
Iranian armory.Two can play the Sampson option.
Maybe that explains Iran's confidence over the years in dealing with a wildly hostile Israel and Zionist America! I always wondered where Iran's courgae came from in facing down two mad dogs with the biggest militaries on earth.
I know Letterman is Jewish. Do you know if he is a Zionist as well?
We've known for a while, and suspected for even longer, that ISIS was funding themselves with stolen oil. I mean, why would they attack and capture oil fields if they didn't intend to do something with the oil?
Now then, where are they buying their guns, bullets and Nikes? Do we have GPS logistics on that as well?
Shhh, quiet down ... Don't speak of that strange looking distribution center in Tel Aviv. Remember, it's Soda Stream...just, Soda Stream.
Years ago I asked another US veteran:
Why are We in the ME?
"Oil. Israel, Empire," he said "In no particular order."
At least there's one that is honest about his mercenary role to (cough) defend the US.
In boot camp I asked why America was still in Vietnam. Senior petty officer said "Because we want resources and we are going to take them". Short and simple.
Did you ask what resources they had in Vietnam that the US could not get closer to home? Sounds like the officer was off script on that one.
Actually Jack....boy am I going to get down votes for this. JFK'S cousin (arch bishop or whatever he was) wanted Vietnam to be Catholic....holy shit....all those lives and money. About 10 years after the war ended a reporter was over there doing an after the war piece and an old woman was working in a rice patty. He asked her what she thought about the war. She said: "I don't want to be Catholic" I see a woman (she is the sweetest thing) from Vietnam 5 days every week. A few weeks ago she told me the same thing: "I didn't want to be Catholic, I had my own religion." O.K. boys and girls...tell me I'm wrong. I love it when people watch tv and get filled with crap.
The only thing that Amerigoy are concerned with in this moment is tonight's game & what the media tells them to think about it, (whereby the only thing important about that is whether or not Dan Snyder should change the name of the team from the REDSKINS to the BITTEN OFF FORESKINS).
I keep getting the impression that Putin thinks nine steps ahead, while Obama pouts that being president is much less fun than they said it would be.
Putin is just as much a puppet of the elites as Obama is. Putin is simply the testosterone-filled marionette playing off the wimpy Kenyan type.
Sometimes I hit homeruns with occasional grand slams. This time, looks like I struck out with 2 outs and the bases loaded.
When the jmafia in Russia tried to overtake Russian politics only to be stopped by Putin and co. Most fled by private jet flights back to Tel Aviv, but Mikhail Khodorkovsky remained and found himself in prison for over a decade. If Putin was a puppet, then why was Yukos returned back to the Russian people by Putin and Co.?
But it's my understanding that Putin has meetings with Henry Kissinger. I thought he was getting his game plan from the one-worlders.
Look....when NBC. CBS and CNN get done with this, The mainstream mushrooms will eat it up and believe the Iranians just made this all up.
PS, I noticed a few days ago CBS had 4 different hit peices on Trump on their main page.
"To sin by silence, when we should protest, Makes cowards out of men." Going to call my congressman and senetors letting them know that shall they continue to support Turkey, they will no longer have my vote. However, I am going to go further, I am going to share all this infomration with everyone I know, including on social media. Enough is enough! While we bust our asses to make a living, these cocksuckers are supporting known terrorists with our tax dollars... FUCK U TURKEY!
Writing mine in Georgia. Wrote em last week about Muslims.
Israel is too quiet on this. Normally NuttyYahoo is blathering all sort of divisive remarks.
The most likely conclusion is that NuttyYahoo and Israel are neck deep in the support of ISIS and the oil trade and they do not want to call attention to themselves.
Yup. Israel is way too quiet on this.
Do you mean like Nutty saying Iran has continued to work on Nukes and just yesterday the IAEA confirmed they continued to work on nuke weapons at least up until 2009. That is just what we learned now. Remember all the Israel haters kept parroting the "Iran stopped on nuke weapons in 2003" as intelligence reports from the US were able to verify. Looks like intelligence reports were all wrong all along.
Do you mean that Nutty guy?
"Nutty guy" sounds too warm and fuzzy for a short fat terrorist.
Israel went to bed confident they ruled the entire region by pulling the US strings. They woke up and found the S-400 operational and another 100 Russian aircarft moving into a new air base designed to cover southern Syria. i.e. cover Golan!
That was NOT what Israel expected.
Hi Jack...been missin' ya.
Wasn't there something here about the oil going to Malta where it gets pumped into an Israeli tanker and taken home?
Very astute.
How about an estimated 70% of ISIS oil ending up in Israel.
No. No. No. We got all that oil from the Gollem, sorry, Golan.
Of course Israel is too quiet about this, as are ALL of the nations dominated and dependent on the US. I get a real kick out of the folks who think some resourceless shit-hole nation of 8.5 mil argumentative tight-wads is somehow responsible for the actions of a resource rich and heavily armed nation of 350 mil. True, most of those 350 mil have scarcely more than a dozen or so active brain-cells, but c'mon. I grow tired of such ass-haterry.
Israel is just a part of the "Zionist Power Configuration", a term used by Professor James Petras, which includes loyalists in Western governments, the media, Hollywood, publishing, academia, finance, politics, etc. These other elements of Zionist influence haven't been quiet.
$15 a barrel , Vot a Deal!
Gramps, I also question when will Russia accuse Isreal of buying Terrorist Oil?
Seems everyone is quiet about it....eh.
This one I will agree with. The Jews are always front, center and yelling to get their message out. why have they been so quiet?
because their opposition has exceeded critical mass.
Christianity is a death cult that believes salvation comes from the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man by an oppressive globalist empire.
Shhh.... the Jewish zombie will come and eat your brains if you say things like that.
At Matthew 27:52 you'll find the ridiculous tale of REAL zombies invading Jerusalem. I'm just waiting for some producer to make a horror movie out of it. (not joking) Some old camp-fire stories can have real value.
All human beings die. Christianity does not advocate death or a "death cult". Yes Jesus of Nazareth was an innocent man and he was murdered. But it was not a political statement. Jesus did not wear any T-shirts saying "Down with Rome!". It was a spiritual statement. It is up to you to decide - relevant to you, or not?
BLESSED ARE THE MEEK (HUMBLE) - FOR THEY WILL INHERIT THE EARTH. ... Jesus
Prove it was Jeebus who said that. Betcha can't. More likely it was a drunken monk in 11th century France what wrote it.
I wouldn't seek employment with Ladbrokes, unless you have some evidence that Papias of Hierapolis built a time machne a travelled forward a thousand years to the 11th century.
Prove that Papsmear of Habeus Corpus wrote anything. You can't, but it sure helps when you have thousands of "helpful" biblical translations printed by anonymous zealots to use for "proof". In fact, I have a book right here that says my grandfather's dog wrote it in faeces on a picnic table in 1957.
I proved the book wasn't written by a "drunken monk in 11th century France" I think your perspective in proof is misguided, unless you can prove (as opposed to provide evidence) that Barack Obama actually wrote Dreams of My Father, or that he ever actually said, “How does the saying go? When two locusts fight, it is always the crow that feasts. Is that a Luo expression?" prior to writing the book. Since Barry is still alive, that should be real easy to prove, especially since you can ask him yourself. Of course he can't actually prove something so simple about himself, and yet you think it is reasonable to demand proof that something was actually said over 2000 years ago? Try trolling someone a bit "slower".
BTW - where did I ever contend Jesus said "Blessed are the meek"? I didn't, and he didn't. However, not for the reason you think... The actual reason is exactly how I can prove Napoleon didn't say "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." at abouit 8:30 am on December 2, 1805. Unfortunately, the only evidence of what he actually said was written a couple decades later and it's written in French.
Secular proof Christians worshiped Jesus Christ as God in the Flesh, 1st Century:
Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus (AD 61-113), or Pliny the Younger, was the governor of Bithynia (AD 112) and a Roman senator. He wrote to emperor Trajan asking for guidance on how he should treat the Christians in his province.
Pliny the Younger
Reference To Jesus Christ
Christians were "meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verse a hymn to Christ as to a god, and bound themselves to a solemn oath, not to do wicked deeds, never commit fraud, theft, adultery, not to lie nor to deny a trust. . . " - Epistles X96
Conclusion
This reference reveals several key things:
1) Jesus was worshipped as a god.
2) Christians met on a fixed day of the week.
3) The meeting occurred before sunrise.
4) They sang songs to Christ.
5) Christians were committed to holy behavior.
http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/historical-secular-quotes-about-jesus/pliny-the-younger.html
Pliny the Younger on Christians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Younger_on_Christians
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fragment of an inscription bearing the name Pliny, Basilica of Sant'Ambrogio, Milan
Pliny the Younger, the Roman governor of Bithynia-Pontus (now in modern Turkey) wrote a letter to Emperor Trajan around 112 AD and asked for counsel on dealing with Christians. The letter (Epistulae X.96) details an account of how Pliny conducted trials of suspected Christians who appeared before him as a result of anonymous accusations and asks for the Emperor's guidance on how they should be treated.[1][2]
Neither Pliny nor Trajan mentions the crime that Christians had committed, except for being a Christian; and other historical sources do not provide a simple answer to this question, but a likely element may be the stubborn refusal of Christians to worship Roman gods; making them appear as objecting to Roman rule.[3][4]
Pliny states that he gives Christians multiple chances to affirm they are innocent and if they refuse three times, they are executed. Pliny states that his investigations have revealed nothing on the Christians' part but harmless practices and "depraved, excessive superstition." However, Pliny seems concerned about the rapid spread of this "superstition"; and views Christian gatherings as a potential starting point for sedition.[4]
The letter is the first pagan account to refer to Christianity, providing key information on early Christian beliefs and practices and how these were viewed and dealt with by the Romans.[2][5][6] The letter and Trajan's reply indicate that at the time of its writing there was no systematic and official Empire-wide persecution of Christians.[7][8] Trajan's reply also offers valuable insight into the relationship between Roman provincial governors and Emperors and indicates that at the time Christians were not sought out or tracked down by imperial orders, and that persecutions could be local and sporadic.[9]
Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability
papyri
by Matt Slick
The New Testament is constantly under attack, and its reliability and accuracy are often contested by critics. If the critics want to disregard the New Testament, then they must also disregard other ancient writings by Plato, Aristotle, and Homer. This is because the New Testament documents are better preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy . . . and they are very consistent.
There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament.1 If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.2
Author Date
Written Earliest Copy Approximate Time Span between original & copy Number of Copies Accuracy of Copies
Lucretius died 55 or 53 B.C. 1,100 yrs 2 ----
Pliny A.D. 61-113 A.D. 850 750 yrs 7 ----
Plato 427-347 B.C. A.D. 900 1,200 yrs 7 ----
Demosthenes 4th Cent. B.C. A.D. 1100 800 yrs 8 ----
Herodotus 480-425 B.C. A.D. 900 1,300 yrs 8 ----
Suetonius A.D. 75-160 A.D. 950 800 yrs 8 ----
Thucydides 460-400 B.C. A.D. 900 1,300 yrs 8 ----
Euripides 480-406 B.C. A.D. 1100 1,300 yrs 9 ----
Aristophanes 450-385 B.C. A.D. 900 1200 10 ----
Caesar 100-44 B.C. A.D. 900 1,000 10 ----
Livy 59 BC-AD 17 ---- ??? 20 ----
Tacitus circa A.D. 100 A.D. 1100 1,000 yrs 20 ----
Aristotle 384-322 B.C. A.D. 1100 1,400 49 ----
Sophocles 496-406 B.C. A.D. 1000 1,400 yrs 193 ----
Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C. 400 B.C. 500 yrs 643 95%
New
Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (A.D. 50-100) 2nd Cent. A.D.
(c. A.D. 130 f.) less than 100 years 5600 99.5%
As you can see, there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition, there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.
Almost all Biblical scholars agree that the New Testament documents were all written before the close of the First Century. If Jesus was crucified in A.D. 30., then that means the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned--people who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the First Century that contest the New Testament texts.
Furthermore, another important aspect of this discussion is the fact that we have a fragment of the Gospel of John that dates back to around 29 years from the original writing (John Rylands Papyri A.D. 125). This is extremely close to the original writing date. This is simply unheard of in any other ancient writing, and it demonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First Century document.
Below is a chart with some of the oldest extant New Testament manuscripts compared to when they were originally penned. Compare these time spans with the next closest, which is Homer's Iliad, where the closest copy from the original is 500 years later. Undoubtedly, that period of time allows for more textual corruption in its transmission. How much less so for the New Testament documents?
Important
Manuscript
Papyri Contents Date
Original Written MSS
Date Approx.
Time Span Location
p52
(John Rylands
Fragment)3 John 18:31-33, 37-38 circa
A.D. 96 circa
A.D.
125 29 yrs John Rylands Library, Manchester, England
P46
(Chester Beatty Papyrus) Rom. 5:17-6:3, 5-14, 8:15-25, 27-35, 10:1-11, 22, 24-33, 35, 16:1-23, 25-27, Heb., 1 & 2 Cor., Eph., Gal., Phil., Col., 1 Thess. 1:1, 9-10, 2:1-3, 5:5-9, 23-28 50's-70's circa
A.D.
200 Approx.
150 yrs Chester Beatty Museum, Dublin & Ann Arbor, Michigan, University of Michigan library
P66
(Bodmer Papyrus) John 1:1-6:11, 35-14:26, fragment of 14:29-21:9
70's
circa
A.D.
200 Approx.
130 yrs Cologne, Geneva
P67 Matt. 3:9, 15, 5:20-22, 25-28 circa
A.D.
200 Approx.
130 yrs Barcelona, Fundacion San Lucas Evangelista, P. Barc.1
If the critics of the Bible dismiss the New Testament as reliable information, then they must also dismiss the reliability of the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other authors mentioned in the chart at the beginning of the paper. On the other hand, if the critics acknowledge the historicity and writings of those other individuals, then they must also retain the historicity and writings of the New Testament authors, after all, the evidence for the New Testament's reliability is far greater than the others. The Christian has substantially superior criteria for affirming the New Testament documents than he does for any other ancient writing. It is good evidence on which to base the trust in the reliability of the New Testament.
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
Rules for supporting silly iron age desert tribe slave death cult:
1. Say lots of things as if you actually were actually there watching them actually happen and can therefore actually know that they actually happened.
2. Say really fucking obvious things and pass it off as sage wisdom - i.e 'humans die'.
3. Act like a smug prick. Be better than everyone else.
3. Be a total fucking hypocrite - i.e, if your holy book tells you not to kill people, then just vote for other people who will do it for you and continue to talk utter shit as if your place in in the holy afterlife spa and treatment center is 100% guarenteed.
4. Conveniently ignore centuries of genocide commited by your death cult.
5. Pretend to know exactly what your god is thinking at any given moment.
6. Pass off your death cult as a bunch of peace loving good guys.
7. Twist the beliefs of your death cult into justification for whatever stupid shit you are trying to validate your ego with today.
8. Use death cult as excuse for more death in the name of peace on earth.
God bless.
Which proves the simple fact that those people themselves ARE the god they are talking about. How else would they know what He's thinking?
You poor thing. Infested by demons, aren't you? Hate Christ? Can't wait to blaspheme?
That must suck.
Ah, another smug cunt here to offer smug cuntyness disguised as pity. Maybe the demons are responsible for my inability to count in my previous post? Could it be? Who knows? You're still a cunt though. +1 for being such a prize cunt, you cunt.
Ah, another smug cunt here to offer smug cuntyness disguised as pity. Maybe the demons are responsible for my inability to count in my previous post? Could it be? Who knows? You're still a cunt though. +1 for being such a prize cunt, you cunt.
LOL!
Well, he hasn't burned you at the stake yet, so there's that.
"Christianity is a death cult that believes salvation comes from the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man by an oppressive globalist empire."
Let me boil it down to such simplicity, that even a (cave- or palace-dwelling) Bible Thumper can understand it:
If I'm not going to put stock into current rumors and hearsay, until things can be verified and vetted independently, then... WTF would I put stock in ancient hearsay, that has shape-shifted and morphed many, many times over the millennia? NONE of the three Monotheistic religions come anywhere close to modern standards of Vetting and Forensic Logic. NONE.
If you want to believe in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus (part of conditioning children early to being predisposed to organized myths), so be it. Have at it. Likewise, if you want to believe in a nicely processed, packaged and promoted set of ancient myths, superstitions and anthropomorphic projections about the Universe and your insignificant place in it, have at it. Just don't expect more rational people, like myself, to buy into your Product. Cause that's exactly what Religion is: a Product, an Organized Worldview. Seeking Market Share. Which I liken to Abstract Art: Made by the Untalented, sold by the Unscrupulous, bought by the Gullible, and admired by the Clueless.
Sorry, but I have this chronic condition, that's called "thinking".
Peace, Shalom, Salaam, Namaste, and all the good stuff.
What makes you so sure the human mind is the final court of appeal here? You don't know what reality consists of, where its boundaries begin and end, until you look at reality using an instrument equipped to handle the whole of reality. You're very sure of yourself that the human mind is such an instrument, but you won't know this until an outside observer confirms its scope and reliability. Can a microscope see a beach ball on the lab bench beside it? No it can't. Nor can you be certain "There is no God" until you have determined the human mind is equipped to handle that question, and since there never has been and never will be anyone who can look upon the human mind from an external vantage point you should not be so confident and cocky about what we know, how we know and whether or not God is part of reality. Indeed, far from being the object of scorn you and so many others among us think God is, quite the opposite is true. There can be no rational thought whatsoever without God, in the same way that a microscope should remain untrusted until calibrated by its manufacturer and operator. God is that being, the only one in existence who knows how far our minds are equipped to go, and by ridiculing God you are casting a shadow over your own cognition.
There is no separation...that's merely an illusion
I don't quite know what you're getting at, since I made no mention of separation.
The funadamental point is this: if you put a beach ball beside a microscope on the lab bench, the microscope has no way of ever knowing the beach ball exists, right there beside it. That's because the microscope is equipped to handle only that subset of reality we can place under its lens. Furthermore, we can trust the microscope to process this limited subset of reality correctly only if we are sure it has been manufactured and calibrated properly. A microscope does not manufacture itself, nor does it calibrate itself (unless manufactured to do so).
In the same way, a human mind that is not made in the image and likeness of God, one that is simply an accidental by-product of natural causes, has no way of knowing its own powers, limits, scope and reliability. Ever. In such a scenario only an outsider can tell us whether or not human cognition is an accurate filter of reality, and only an outsider can tell us how much of reality is accessible to human cognition. If God does not exist, if the mind is simply a by-product of blind chance, then congratulations, you no longer have that outsider. All you have left is the human mind slapping itself on the back, celebrating its own powers, and scoffing at the idea of God. Forgive me if I say so, but that's about as rational and credible as the microscope walking over to the lab technician and telling him there's no beach ball in the lab "Because I say so".
That's the trouble with you bar-stool philosophers, here at ZH and elsewhere: you're clearly not qualifed to discuss theological and philosophical issues in any depth. You're all mouth about God, scoffing and sneering at the idea, and you're all mouth about how science and reason trump faith, but scratch the surface and there's nothing of substance beneath your derisory claims, and indeed there's a huge self-contradiction there that blows them clean out of the water.
All Ibrahaimac religions dictate that final judgement belongs with god. No man has the right to judge and kill someone else based on belief. What we're seeing today is complete madness.
The way I see it...we've had more than enough of the barbarous desert cults to last 1000 dawns to extinctions of hu-man species on this planet...
So you are the intellectual around here :shocked:
Of all odd stuff in the world you seemed intolerant of Christianity(or Jesus Christ) and by implication of your words in the comment, you are blaming religion and ignorance of people.There are truth partly but leave out Christianity among them.Don't you see you are the victim of the system you are living in,making you 'intellect, atheist,smart' but in actuality you are dumb enough to believe all the philosophic works in this world all of which agreeing in one thing discrediting Jesus Christ (DENY the POWER of His gospel , He is not the Lord and Master of Our life, He is NOT Our Savior, in one way or another.These is a wisdom to connect the dots as well.
We are witnessing a great end time unfolding here before our eyes that has been foretold though sends of years in the Holy Bible (Revelations).Often we ignore the spiritual aspect of what is going on and try to understand in mundane level, oh Russia will retaliate oh USA will, yea me too.But how long will we continue like this, eventually it will become boring seeing all of our prediction or fantasy world failed.
Where are the solders for Christ, this where their services and comforting of the victims, preaching and winning them for the Lord is most needed.The dark force is already at work(24/7) and they are acting like a solder.Any clue why USA,UK, France ,Germany, NATO, Israel,Turkey and their circus clubs sending their special ops in the ground(Syria and Iraq) against few Russia,Iran Syria and keep lying what their intentions are? If we try to unlock the mystery by economic resource means we are naive.
crossing the moneychangers, then getting strung up within just a few days seems real enough
OK, that made me laugh.
In return, here's my take on Christianity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80
True ... IDJiot !!
Go back to sleeeeeppp now.
BASED PUTIN. BASED IRAN
They think they need a war. If the public remains blind to this we will be led to war. As usual the point of the war will not be to win, but to manipulate us in a certain direction.
The real war has been on for a while and the main stream media is starting to loose ground.
Obama admits financing, arming and training ISIL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUABL-Ialck
Rabbi admits Mossad demolished the Towers;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0AM8OkqJc
IRAN - if you've got evidence, put it out there!! Show the world.
So now you want to believe Iran?
Superman stood for truth justice and the american way. I wish he was still around. I think Lex Luthor and the Joker are in charge.
You do realize that both were creations of some Jewish guys, interestingly enough. (Not that I care, but you might).
I'm impressed with how these People are able to conjure up new Myth-synthesis (Judaism, Christianity, Bolshevism, Socialism, Capitalism, the modern version of the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Comic book heroes, Psychoanalysis, FRNs, MMT... the NWO). Quite an inventive/creative people, who knew what sells and at what price.
Superman, red and blue, chaos and control. Lex Lucifer et el never exist in any of the tales until the Appollon in red and blue create them. Spiderman, Cap America, insert your favorite red and blue hero, all the same bullshit story. Lets not forget they all either mix blood with something, or have the human and iron or steel nature, same old cult story, mingling of iron and clay. Stalin, the man of steel, and what was it, the iron lady for Thatcher, still want to go for your hero fantasy, cause your being hoodwinked by a bigger story.
erdogan is not dumb. i do not believe that he was shocked about anything in that affair.
he will be full of different drugs to keep the machine going (medicine, prozac, stuff politicians eat all day)
and look at msm. daesh oil traffic is just nonexistent in european news.
"they have other ways to finance all the weapons, the internet and all that new modern stuff".... yeah sure, cia delivers all for free, no proof, so it does not happen
in german news there was something about first time murica bombed a syrian army camp, unclear if error or planned.
it was article 20 for 12 hours in the unsorted category, and that was it.
Bottom line... How is everyone involved being paid? Cash? Wire transfer ? I cant deposit or withdraw 5 grand$ , without FBI and US Treasury being notified, and Hundreds of Billions$ are moving around and US, Russia, , etc. is clueless ? Doubt it.
IS THIS WHY FOX IS OUT WITH A FRONT PAGE ARTICLE ABOUT IRAN UN RESOLUTION VIOLATION REGARDING A BALLISTIC MISSLE TEST.
just keep tweakin' the nukes vlad. can't lose sight of big picture.
the thing with the no fly zone is the point were all stories crack.
putins, muricas, europes
all the powers train in syria, like a bullying contest instead of open war.
no wonder every native there wants to get out
Spain was the training center and weapons testing area in 36'.
How come all these countries are allowed to go into Syria uninvited? Thought there were some laws about that
Some countries are more equal than others and they are above the law.
Exceptionalism has it's previleges.
Goldman Sachs buys into Turkish Petkim’s Aegean port
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/goldman-sachs-buys-into-turkish-petkims...
U.S. multinational investment banking company Goldman Sachs has become a partner in Turkey’s largest integrated port, operated by petrochemicals maker Petkim, in a deal that will boost the company’s plans to develop the port to make it largest of Aegean region.
Petkim has announced that it has reached a preliminary agreement to sell its 30 percent stakes in Petkim Limanc?l?k (Petlim) for $250 million, after months of talks that started in February this year.
Petkim and Petlim are controlled by the Turkish branch of Azeri energy giant Socar. Petlim was founded to deal with the economic operation of Petkim’s port in the Alia?a district of the Aegean province of ?zmir.
“One of the world’s biggest investors becoming a partner to our port company means approval of the value and economy of our project,” Socar Turkey President Kenan Yavuz said, speaking after a ceremony to mark the signing of the deal as well as a preliminary financing agreement with Turkish lender Akbank for the port project.
“We have signed a preliminary agreement for our port investment’s project financing with one of Turkey’s largest banks Akbank. We will secure $211 million in financing with a 13 year maturity within the term-sheet,” Yavuz said.
“We’re very glad to realize the share transfer deal with a global giant such as Goldman Sachs and the project financing agreement with Akbank on the same day,” he added.
The investment, which will become Turkey’s third container port, will become operational in the last quarter of 2015, Yavuz also said.
The Petkim Container Port, which for the first time in Turkey will enable the berthing of ships with 11,000 TEUs, will possess a starting capacity of 1.5 million TEUs. A logistic field with a total of 48 hectares will be created, with 42 hectares in the port field for container storage and 6 hectares in the rear service area.
"Moscow unleashed a propaganda campaign aimed at exposing Turkey’s role in facilitating Islamic State’s lucrative oil trade.... As it turns out, this strategy has done far more damage to Ankara than one could ever hope to achieve with a couple of bombing runs."
Those words sum it all up, I think. When even some parts of the Western media openly jeer at the pathetically weak US excuses for inaction against ISIS, it amounts to a fantastic propaganda defeat. That's wild. Madison Avenue invented modern public relations, for goodness sake! Yet, today, the entire Western public-relations industry has been driven into a corner by one unprepossessing Russian who used to earn a crust as a state bureaucrat. Putin has destroyed the West's credibility for many years to come.
http://barlowscayman.blogspot.com/2012/08/marketing-skills-fail-wests-cr...
The Iranians ought to know http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/schlumberger-oilfield-holdings-ltd-agrees-...
The mullahs got the goods on our (US)government officials too , they're literally sitting on a treason trove of Schlumberger paperwork, contracts and payment receipts to High Ranking US officials.
GW's NSA adviser Jamie Gorelick "wet her beak" in the Iran mullah oil cash fountain.
Its been reported that Erdo just yanked back those "trainers" to his side of the border.
that is out there, but never confirmed in real...
so doubt until reliable source tells
After Russia starting assisting the Syrian government, US was forced to admit that
US is supporting a number of Islamic terrorist factions in Syria to depose Assad.
At what point will the evidence become so overwhelming that US will likewise
be forced to admit that it is also fully supporting ISIS as its primary proxy army in the middle east???
Interesting that the us has laws against supplying arms and aid to groups on their terrorist watchlist. Yet they oopenly admit supplying aid to Al Quaida fighting Assad. WTF, why isn't anyone calling them out?
The citizenry just DO NOT care. Sports, food, booze and porn. Until those things become unavailable, the continous feel good moments continue to blind the sheeple.
Since Zero Hedge articles were able to provide abundant evidence BEFORE Russia and Iran provided confirmation, the main significant DIFFERENCE is that anyone who wants to, using the Internet, can sift through the available information to develop their own opinion.
Generally speaking, evils are NOT new. The thing that is new is the increasing speed with which those evils can be made public knowledge to anyone who wants to bother to take enough time to work on developing their own better informed opinions regarding the various evils, which previously were more able to continue to operate in darkness for much longer, and which tended to not be publicly reported upon.
After reading the ISIS papers in the Guardian it seems ISIS are here to stay. Johnny Foreigner ain't going to shift them and the locals will just fit in. ISIS's long term goal is to stay put and await the collapse of the House of Saud and Arabia will fall into their hands.
If the House of Saud falls, that will probably be due to the underlying consequences of the depletion of their oil resources. By that time, whatever financial profits were made will likely have been mostly privatized and shifted to offshore havens.
Therefore, IF those presumptions are correct, the situation in Saudia Arabia, when it no longer is Saudi, will amount to there being over thirty million people, in a place that could not possibly feed more than one million, after the petroleum resources had been significantly depleted, and the money made from selling those was gone, in one way or another.
Given those presumptions, then ISIS will have to triage the mass murder of the vast majority of the population, while the rest of the world will be faced with millions of refugees from what used to be Saudi Arabia, who will combine into A Human Tsunami of Overshoot which will potentially involve hundreds of millions of people, who all will be suffering from similar sorts of the basic Syrian Sickness.
While the banksters' campaigns to force regime change in those countries whose monetary systems they did not already control (Making the World Safe for Banksters: Syria in the Cross-hairs) are more important in the short to medium term, in the longer term the basic problems that Saudi Arabia faces are that their oil enabled their population to explode from about 1 million to 30 million. At the present time, there are no plausible series of combined technological and political miracles which could keep those people alive after their petroleum resources become seriously depleted.
ISIS is "here to stay" as criminally insane ways to resolve problems by making those way worse! Tragically, those are the most probably scenarios. I am not aware of any plausible and practically possible to implement solutions to the underlying problems that more than 30 million people can not be sustained in Saudi Arabia after their oil was gone. Therefore, the most realistic expectations regarding "the collapse of the House of Saud and Arabia" are millions of refugees and millions of mass murders, in similar ways that will be happening in many other places, at more or less similar times.
The particular details regarding which people were the worst gangs of organized criminals and/or terrorists, (i.e., did Turkey smuggle ISIS oil) will dwindle to insignificance compared to the ways that the whole of Neolithic Civilization was based upon being able to back up lies with violence, which systems became POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS, which fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems were able to make the public "money" supplies out of nothing as debts, in order to "pay" for strip-mining the planet's natural resources.
"The collapse of the House of Saud and Arabia" will merely be one of the many interrelated ways that everything else will be collapsing into chaos, due to the actual economic fundamentals having been based on turning natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, which activities were misrepresented through fraudulent accounting systems to be productive and good things to do ... The essential political problems are due to the ways that those who are the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, are able to control civilization in each short to medium term increment, while in the longer term that results in civilization manifesting runaway criminal insanities.
ISIS was promoted by the international banksters, and their buddies, because those international banksters became increasingly psychotic psychopaths. ISIS is merely another example of lower level psychotic psychopaths, being used by higher level psychotic psychopaths. (Metaphorically speaking, wild dogs directed by vicious wolves.) MEANWHILE, UNDERNEATH EVERYTHING ELSE, WAS THE BASIC STRIP-MINING OF THE PLANET'S NATURAL RESOURCES, WITH THE STRIP-MINING OF SAUDI ARABIA'S OIL RESOURCES BEING THE SINGLE MOST SIGNIFICANT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE OF THAT. That is how and why the population in that area was able to double and double again, on an recent exponential growth curve that took it from about 1 million to over 30 million, which do not have any feasible ways to continue to survive after their oil is gone, and their banksters' bullshit money no longer is available or valuable anymore.
Unless there are some series of integrated technological miracles, surpassed by even greater political miracles, then "the collapse of the House of Saud and Arabia" will necessarily mean reducing the human population in that area from over 30 million to less than 1 million. If ISIS is still around then, then being involved in doing that will be their real roles, and those roles will continue to be manifested within the overall context of the international banksters presiding over similar events almost everywhere else too.
"MEANWHILE, UNDERNEATH EVERYTHING ELSE, WAS THE BASIC STRIP-MINING OF THE PLANET'S NATURAL RESOURCES, WITH THE STRIP-MINING OF SAUDI ARABIA'S OIL RESOURCES BEING THE SINGLE MOST SIGNIFICANT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE OF THAT."
Yep. The strip mining of all natural resources and the pollution caused by our economic development is fueled by oil. Virtually every aspect -including food production- is based on the use of fossil fuels. SA have a serious problem. Due to water over use (and the lack of aquifer replenishment) they went from food exporter to food importer. Everywhere around the world they are buying up or leasing farmland so they can produce food and fly it to SA. But if you don't hold it (the land) then you don't own it. Perhaps that is why they also export refugees/migrants and mosques.
Hopefully when the House of Saud falls, its occupants will be hunted down and prevented from leaving the country.
Then to suffer the same end that they have bestowed onto thousands of Saudi nationals during their reign of barbaric terror: beheading and crucifixion. Then feeding their corpses to dogs of the street.
The only reason the U.S. and NATO/European countries are backing Turkey is because they know Erdogan will spill the beans before he is ever brought to justice.
Once it looks as though he's going to lose his power he'll start blabbing about EXACTLY what the .govs of the west have been up to.
I suspect CIA/Mossad/MI6 will take him out in the next 6 months, lay the blame on the Kurds or FSB, and install another puppet (Who knows alot less, just does as he's told) in the Turkish hotseat.
Pliskin"The only reason the U.S. and NATO/European countries are backing Turkey is because they know Erdogan will spill the beans before he is ever brought to justice.
NATO is gonna Noriega that muthafulkkka faster than shit through a goose.
European countries and people are so pissed off by Erdogan's blackmail regarding the migrants that they will drop him like a stone once the moment is right.
Please...The American people are asleep. Revelations like this are lost on them. Other than a few ZH'ers who can connect the dots, the average American glazes over when you present him with this kind of wrong doing by their Gov't. Most Americans deserve what is coming to them.
Try bringing any of this up to your friends and families....you will see what I mean.
MSM in USA is clearly a 100% propaganda arm designed to keep the sheep clueless.
Most ADULT Americans deserve what is coming to them.
However, I find it hard to agree that their children or their children's children "deserve what is coming to them," especially since it is those innocent younger generations which will end up paying the most for what their parents, and grandparents allowed to happen, due to them becoming the victims of the best scientific brainwashing that money could buy.
While I totally agree with your assessment of the mental qualities of the the vast majority of people who have become Zombie Sheeple. I can NOT agree with the view that they "deserve what is coming to them," especially since that is more coming to their children and children's children, rather than actually coming to them.
Gotta love Persians.
Fuck Arabs in the ass sideways with a rusty chain saw.
As the Muslim Brotherhoods "Manchurian Candidate" Obama will do anything and everything that he possibly can to align the United States of America with Muslim terrorists thereby destroying American standing and credibility around the world. Why else would he pursue dangerous policies in Ukraine that could lead to war with the Russian Federation? Why else would he align the United States so closely with the criminal Erdogan in Turkey? Why else would he be arming Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria? Why else the insane push to run a Qatari gas line through Syria? If Qatar wants to sell gas to Europe so badly why don't they run a gas pipeline through Egypt and then under the Mediterranean to Italy, Greece or France? It's because the pipeline is a mere pretext to get rid of Assad in Syria in favor of a revolutionary Sunni regime. Those are both Obama's and the Muslim Brotherhood's goals.
Declare state of emergency and be king for life. I predicted this a whole long time ago. Oh! Now everything makes sense! He's been trying to lite the fuse.
And there's the oil/gas reserves in the Eastern Med which Syria has a significant share of which Western elites want to get their hands on. eg: about 8.5 trillion cu ft of gas.
I'm just waiting for Iran or Russia to lay out irrefutable of what went on with 9-11.
Moscow should retaliate by stationing Nuclear bombs in Iran.
Eventually it will be west vs. rest
Stuff that Turkey!
Remove kebab
It amazes me how some folks go from Iran having irrefutable evidence of Turkey stealing sirian and iraki oil, to a debate about religion. No wonder we're stuck here.
The US terrorists ISIS
are worse then the Iran Russia terrorist Hezbollah
Lets r about the past
The bad guys seem to become good guys eventually when some one worse comes along
just sayn
TURKEY TO BUILD NEW BASE IN QATAR: WILL BE NEIGHBORS WITH US CENTCOM.
The plot thickens
http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/turkey/turkey-to-establish-military-base-i...
NATO moves into The Gulf...
nice. i nearly spit out my beer reading the headline.
is there something we don't know here?
Have you any beer left?
Rothschild, Cheney & Murdoch links with Syrian Oil
http://loucollins.uk/2015/12/07/rothschild-cheney-murdoch-links-with-syr...
Article states:
The Times on Saturday carried an article on ISIS’ oil interests, Syria and Turkey. Nowhere does it inform its readers that the owner of the newspaper, Rupert Murdoch, has a vested interest in this subject through his role and shares in Genie Energy, an Israeli company granted oil rights in Syria by the Israeli government. Dick Cheney and Lord Rothschild are also shareholders.
No, they really are. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy.
That Israel should grant oil rights within Syria is of course a striking example of contempt for international law, but then that is the basis on which Israel normally operates.
I never thought the UK government would make the withdrawal of its support for the concept of international law explicit, as Cameron has done by removing the obligation to comply with international law from the Ministerial Code. That is truly, truly disgraceful.