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A day of "infamy" remembered...

Sent on 3.195Mhz...

 

h/t @SigINT67n

 

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Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:25 | 6889695 hedgeless_horseman
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We dindu nuffin to deserve it.

We was jus' mindin' our own buisness, and those damn nips attacked us!

Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might say that the Japanese were aggressive militarists who wanted to take over the world, or at least the Asia-Pacific part of it. Ask him what the United States did to provoke the Japanese, and he will probably say that the Americans did nothing: we were just minding our own business when the crazy Japanese, completely without justification, mounted a sneak attack on us, catching us totally by surprise in Hawaii on December 7, 1941.

 

 

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:26 | 6889714 Cognitive Dissonance
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If it wasn't a false flag, the US certainly encouraged the attack. Suddenly a nation indifferent to the war in Europe was clamoring to shed some blood.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:26 | 6889725 TruxtonSpangler
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Even then they had drills at the same time?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:28 | 6889744 hedgeless_horseman
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WHere is Buckaroo Banzai to tell us it was the preaching of the Samurai religious code that was the cause.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:29 | 6889747 NidStyles
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Oh great more white guilt bullshit.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:30 | 6889751 Fed Supporter
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Ralph Peters calls Obama 'a total pussy' on live televisionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfzSlldIUHQ

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:32 | 6889760 NidStyles
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Gotta push that propaganda, right?

 

We didn't force the Nipponese to attack. They made that choice on their own.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:43 | 6889789 NidStyles
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There's something that bothers me about this image. Why is the date in modern civilian shorthand and not in traditional GMT date configuration?

 

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:48 | 6889835 TuPhat
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What you really mean is why isn't it in Zulu time.  That's what we used when I was in the military.  Does it matter?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:53 | 6889865 NidStyles
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Look at who is sending and receiving the message. It's a military born telegraph that likely went through the US Naval telegraph service. 

 

The formating is completely wrong. Has anyone tested the ink on the original?

 

We call it Zulu now, but it was GMT then. The coding was the same, it's two numbers for date, two for month and four for the year. This telegraph is all in shorthand, which makes it questionable. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:05 | 6889949 NidStyles
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I don't even like FDR, but to think he would be that hateful against his own people is not realistic. I think there were likely traitors involved, but I doubt it was FDR. Alger Hiss was on the payroll already by then after all. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:43 | 6889971 Manthong
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Boy, that attack was a complete surprise to everyone..

And it sure was lucky that all three carriers were out to sea for a few days, but sad that the Japs did a number on obsolete battleships

http://militarywired.com/forums/members/sticky/Hilo_Tribune_Herald_Sunday_November_30_1941.php

http://militarywired.com/forums/members/sticky/Honolulu_Advertiser_Sunda...

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:40 | 6890796 conscious being
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From wiki - December 7, 1941 about 6am. "The Ward opened fire with her number three deck gun, then dropped depth charges, and sank the submarine. Outerbridge's radio reports were discounted by senior officers at naval headquarters despite his efforts to emphasize that there could be no mistake, sending a second report with more explicit detail: “We have attacked, fired upon, and dropped depth charges upon submarine operating in defensive sea area.”

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:59 | 6890619 Baby Bladeface
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"

I don't even like FDR, but to think he would be that hateful against his own people is not realistic."

Sorry to disappoint, and why do you think US presidents and State Department are always invoked the polemic "killing his own people" when depicting every new Hitler target for regime changing? Because they know well of themselves. They know their capabilities and motivations. They know well also the acts of their predecessors. They believe all other humans share their amorality. And mattering most of important self-justify their acts with attributing to their enemies their own worst aspects with the psychological projection method.

The built myths are so enduring, most Americans could even read the article below and somehow would have no effect.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/12/05/a-president-who-should-liv...

But hey, Americans do love warm embrace of fabled historical visions of the past. They can''t live without it. It easens the swallowing of their nutritious propaganda. Even when exposed numerous times, they will keep using it. It is their heroin fix comfort.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:48 | 6889840 COL Jackson
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Indeed they did.  Yes and to be fair they deserved to have their oil flows cut off in an embargo, they were using it to slaughter Chinese.  Nobody's hands were clean in WWII.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:32 | 6889761 knukles
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So where's the Black Guilt, Progressive Guilt, huh?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:54 | 6889764 NidStyles
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Everybody knows they Dindu Nuffin.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:26 | 6890061 Reichstag Fire Dept.
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He's a TOTAL pussy!  :D

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:02 | 6890275 Ward cleaver
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Of course the white man is the devil, just ask our AG or our previous AG

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:53 | 6892961 Macon Richardson
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By definition it wasn't a false flag event, but yes! the United States encouraged the attack or more correctly, provoked it. In addition, Roosevelt ordered the Pacific fleet to abandon its home port in San Diego and move to Pearl--against the advice of all navy brass.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:26 | 6889718 Fester
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That telegram was just confirming what we already knew.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:27 | 6889727 ToSoft4Truth
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Oil, even way back then.  LOL

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:44 | 6890146 The Pope
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But I thought the GERMANS bombed Pearl Harbor?!?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:00 | 6891341 Lower Class Elite
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Whatever. Don't stop him, he's on a roll.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:27 | 6889728 Sturm und Drang
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Oil

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:27 | 6889733 Canadian Dirtlump
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Indeed the majority of Americans will never understand that Japan was driven to war on purpose, and Pearl Harbor ( if not officially ) wades into LIHOP ( let it happen on purpose ) territory.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:47 | 6889828 Mr. Schmilkies
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I went through the Pearl Harbor museum last year and their exhibits are actually pretty up-front about how the US blockaded Japan from getting oil and was expecting an attack somewhere as a result. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:56 | 6889876 COL Jackson
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The Japanese were an expansionist militarisitic dictatorship.  They brutally occupied China and Korea.  The US oil embargo certainly influenced the timing of their decision to attack the US.  But lets not forgive the Nips for their sins because the US strategy was itching for a fight.  The Japanese made their own bed.

 

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:26 | 6890060 Stuck on Zero
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Japan attacks China and the 'Rape of Nanking' killing millions. Japan attacks Korea. Japan attacks the Soviet Union.  Japan marches on Southeast Asia. Japan announces intention of conquering the entire Western Pacific and Australia. Japan attacks the USA at Pearl Harbor. 

Sounds like Pearl Harbor was just another step in a process.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:02 | 6890960 layman_please
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apart from the previous conquests, attack on pearl harbor was not based on strength and arrogance but on fear and weakness. japan knew that without establishing new sources for petroleum and rubber products (blockade), they would have already lost the war. they were judging americans based on their own psychology. the necessary supply lines from dutch east indies (indonesia) and malaya would have been certain and primary targets for the american forces in the philippines, so they had to do something about that. it was an act of desperation. economic blockade would have meant slow but certain death, while the war with the US would have meant certain defeat. only glimmer of hope was a surprise attack on pearl harbor, to have war on their own terms, and that after destroying the fleet in pearl harbor, they would control such a considerable area of the south pacific that the US would negotiate for peace. of course they grossly misjudged americans' character.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 23:05 | 6891673 TheFutureReset
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There were both factions in Japan. Those who thought they needed to attack the US, and those that thought it better to keep the US out of it as much as they could. The emperor and the military leaders were at odds much of the time. It's how you want to slice it. Some view an embargo as an act of war. It's definitely positive govt action with the intent to harm. Now if it were private companies, or individuals that decided to not trade with Japan, that's a different story.

There were truly evil people in govt at the time. Think of the fire bombing of Japan, and then the atom bomb. I wouldn't put it passed them to consider 5000 Americans expendable to their aims. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:05 | 6893798 layman_please
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of course you are completely right. japan was as divided as was US. in every government there are numerous factions on every issue with their own agendas. interventionists vs isolationists. army vs navy vs air force. military vs diplomats vs politicians. etc etc. nothing is as simple as the general history portrays.

on october 15th 1941 it was clear that agreement with US was not possible and general tojo established a military government by forcing prince konoye to resign. US new (they broke the secret japanese codes) that the october was deadline for the negotiations and if there was no solution, war would be inescapable.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:51 | 6890961 layman_please
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double post

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:02 | 6891023 steelhead23
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Yes Colonel Jackson, you are right.  But following a horrific earthquake in 1923 and the global economic crash in 1929, Japan came increasingly under the authority of a military dictatorship, in some ways reminiscent of Hitler's rise.  Further, Japan suffered substantial indignities due to racism which were used to fuel propaganda and indoctrination.  Still, by and large its people were agrarian and quite peaceful.  But Colonel, yes, its military was "itching for a fight."  The civilians on Okinawa, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki paid the price for Japan's leadership's "sins."  This was not a bed made by the Japanese people, but a bed made by their military leaders.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:34 | 6891203 DeadFred
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Just like US came under a military dictatorship after the horrific LA earthquake and global economic collapse of 2016... Oops, I wasn't supposed to open that book for another couple of months. Sorry, consider the bell unrung.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:43 | 6889812 Urban Roman
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Cue obligatory Animal House clip . . .

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:43 | 6890161 The Pope
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What the hell we supposed to do you MO-RON?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:00 | 6889904 Butter_cup
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Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:18 | 6890381 Buster Cherry
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Making internet porn with your own daughter is disgusting Buttercup.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:03 | 6892034 TRM
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It's not like there was an 8 point plan to provoke them or anything like that. It's not like Admiral Richardson objected to moving the Pacific Fleet Base to Hawaii and warned they would attack. It's not like the USA navy war gamed the EXACT scenario including time of day and direction.

Nope just one big uncalled for surprise.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:26 | 6889707 divedivedive
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Maybe off topic - maybe not - what happens if the 'bad-guys' start using SAT phones instead of the internet ?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:28 | 6889736 TruxtonSpangler
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lulz - surveillance isnt about catching terrorists...

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:34 | 6889769 knukles
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Great article some time ago in Wired.  Noted that some 60% of the Internet usage is porn related.
Imagine the shit they got at the NoSuchAgency!

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:30 | 6890083 Arnold
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TMI, Mr knuckles.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:18 | 6890023 Dinero D. Profit
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Surveillance is for keeping people with security clearances in line.  That, and weird accidents

 

(I think this is true.  I have no links. Nobody whispered this to me ).

 

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:40 | 6889778 Urban Redneck
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Sat phones are more heavily monitored than internet tubes, because militaries reserve more bandwidth than civilians (who are often multinationals targeted for industrial espionage) and the signal can be intercepted by any backwater country that can afford a few of these.  

(decoding satellite signals is a slightly different issue, but unless a user is adding external end-to-end encryption of their signals that a government cannot decode, then more than Five Eyes are listening).

a gift for the Puti trolls: http://fas.org/irp/world/russia/program/sigint.htm

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:57 | 6890236 TheFutureReset
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Turrist have been using SAT phones for decades. They are all over Afghanistan. Yes they are way easier to track. They don't need phones though, today they use emojis and Play Stations. 

http://www.dailydot.com/lol/emoji-emails-nsa-privacy/

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/paris-attack-ps4/

The NSA is a bad joke. They are completely ineffective on everything other than intimidating the sheep. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:26 | 6889715 Rainman
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Birthday of the MIC

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:31 | 6889717 Squid Viscous
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right around the time FDR's useless pecker shot it's last load during a wet dream?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:26 | 6889722 ToSoft4Truth
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No mention of the Back to the Future telegram. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:27 | 6889735 offwirenews
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"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - FDR

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:35 | 6889737 savedeposit
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Just like that passenger cruiseship that was torpedod by an american sub so "they" had a good reason to declare war against Germany

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:33 | 6891200 tbd108
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Don't forget to "remember the Maine!"

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:28 | 6889742 _SILENCER
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Mrs. Silencer was born on 12/7 in the mid sixties.

Her father nearly named her "Pearl".

She dodged a bullet on that one.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:30 | 6889745 JustObserving
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All American aircraft carriers were put out to sea since they knew the attack was coming.  The Red Cross was asked to prepare relief supplies for Pearl Harbor several days before the attack.

The about 1800 US servicemen killed in the Japanese attack were sacrificial lambs to get the war started.

In Day of Deceit, Robert Stinnett delivers the definitive final chapter on America's greatest secret and our worst military disaster.

Drawing on twenty years of research and access to scores of previously classified documents, Stinnett proves that Pearl Harbor was not an accident, a mere failure of American intelligence, or a brilliant Japanese military coup. By showing that ample warning of the attack was on FDR's desk and, furthermore, that a plan to push Japan into war was initiated at the highest levels of the U.S. government, he ends up profoundly altering our understanding of one of the most significant events in American history.

http://www.amazon.com/Day-Of-Deceit-Truth-Harbor/dp/0743201299

Here are more facts:

"Day of Deceit" provides compelling evidence that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt deliberately provoked Japan to attack the American Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor so that America could enter the war on the allied side. Stinnett, a distinguished World War II navy veteran who researched his subject for over sixteen years, provides the following evidence:

 
1. A naval intelligence officer named Arthur McCollum developed an eight-point plan to provoke Japanese hostilities. This plan reached Roosevelt who implemented all eight points.

 
2. Contrary to popular belief, the Japanese navy broke radio silence on multiple occasions prior to December 7, 1941.

 
3. More than 94% of all secret Japanese naval messages (including some with direct reference to the impending attack on Pearl Harbor) were successfully decoded by American intelligence units prior to December 7, 1941

 
4. Roosevelt implemented a change of naval command that placed proponents of the eight-point-provocation plan in key positions of power. However, the newly promoted commander of Pearl Harbor, Admiral Husband Kimmel was consistently denied access to vital decoded translations of Japanese naval communications.

 
5. Naval Intelligence and the FBI successfully monitored the communication of Japanese intelligence agents in Hawaii for months. These communications, which included a bombing grid map of Pearl Harbor, revealed Japan's intent.


8. Most of the critical U.S. Pacific Fleet components such as heavy cruisers and aircraft carriers were not in Pearl Harbor during the bombing. In fact the only ships that were sunk were WW I relics.

more at

http://www.amazon.com/Day-Of-Deceit-Truth-Harbor/dp/0743201299

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:31 | 6889755 JustObserving
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The Red Cross Connection:

Shortly before the attack in 1941 President Roosevelt called him [Smith -  directed the War Service for the Red Cross before World War II] to the White House for a meeting concerning a Top Secret matter. At this meeting the President advised my father that his intelligence staff had informed him of a pending attack on Pearl Harbor, by the Japanese. He anticipated many casualties and much loss, he instructed my father to send workers and supplies to a holding area at a P.O.E. [port of entry] on the West Coast where they would await further orders to ship out, no destination was to be revealed. He left no doubt in my father's mind that none of the Naval and Military officials in Hawaii were to be informed and he was not to advise the Red Cross officers who were already stationed in the area. When he protested to the President, President Roosevelt told him that the American people would never agree to enter the war in Europe unless they were attack [sic] within their own borders.

http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/1999-06/advance-warning-red-c...

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:43 | 6889809 fightapathy
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Allow me to torpedo your hypothesis -- and strafe and bomb it into ashes -- with a simple question:

"What ELSE happened on the seventh of December 1941?"

*chirp, chirp, chirp*

No ideas? How about.... simultaneous attacks by Imperial Japanese forces against Wake Island, followeed by attacks on Guam and the Philippines, and any and all American vessels and stations within reach?

Effectively, ANY of these attacks would have provoked an IMMEDIATE declaration of war by the United States against Japan. FDR did NOT need to sacrifice Pearl Harbor.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:55 | 6889879 TuPhat
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Then he did it because he got a perverse thrill out of it.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:10 | 6889979 MopWater
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Of course he didn't need to...the point is that he may have chosen to.

Let's face it, an attack on Wake Island or Guam doesn't have the same shock factor as an attack on the paradise that is Hawaii. Its about the shock factor, an attack that close to home is even better to get congress to act.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:49 | 6889846 Dapper Dan
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3 days later the British lost 2 battleships to the Nippon navy, off the cost of Malaya, not one battleship was ordered after that date, obsolete baby!

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:37 | 6891031 tarabel
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I realize you are condensing your argument a bit in the interests of space and time, but I think that some of the things you state are not completely correct. It would take a lot of involved academic discussion to sort it all out. But here are some counterpoints I would make.

1) Only by meteorological chance was the USS Enterprise battle group delayed from reaching port earlier. It made port Sunday night rather than Saturday night on account of delays in fueling its destroyer escorts due to rough seas. Otherwise, pow.

2) The Japanese were aware of the absence of all the carriers but chose to proceed regardless.

3) The Japanese navy transferred the call sign of the flagship IMS Akagi to a land-based station at Hashira Jima and continued to churn out its normal peacetime traffic, which led to the belief that the carriers were still at their normal fleet anchorage in Japan.

4) The US had decoded the multi-part message even before the Japanese embassy had finished. But the message did not declare war. Instead, it merely stated that the current situation was unacceptable to Japan. Which led to the belief that the Japanese were severing diplomatic relations. Attempts were made to warn Hawaii that failed essentially due to the fact that it was a peacetime weekend and a Sunday back in a time when business hours were done at 5 o clock on Friday.

5) All commands worldwide were warned a week prior (11/30) and ordered to conduct themselves accordingly. Admiral Kimmel and General Short in Hawaii notified the War Department that they were taking measures to guard against sabotage-- which was the only action military men believed Japan was capable of carrying out in Hawaii. They requested approval of their measures or other instructions if anything else was required and received nothing in response. Other commands in the area where it was believed that the Japanese had the capacity to strike were in a higher state of readiness so far as their poor material condition and need to sacrifice readiness for training of the vast glut of draftees now arriving would allow.

6) The actual first shots of the Pacific war were fired by the British in Malaya several hours before Pearl Harbor. William S Paley had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, or any other American station, not knowing about this.

7) All navies everywhere still regarded battleships as the heart of naval power. It was Pearl Harbor (and the bold British strike on Taranto in 1940) that started changing minds. With the US battle line out of action, the USN was forced to advance into the aeronaval era much faster than would otherwise have occurred had it still had its battle force. Both US and Japanese naval plans prior to the war envisaged a Jutland-style shootout in the vicinity of the Japanese-held Marshall Islands. But Yamamoto was a bold man who knew that Japan's only chance against the 10-1 industrial odds she faced just with America alone was to go for an early knockout. In a long war, Japan was certain to lose.

8) The Brooklyn class light cruiser USS Helena was badly damaged with two torpedoes. These were some of the most powerful and useful ships in the Navy, easily the equal of a heavy cruiser with the simple classification difference that the Brooklyns carried 15 fast-firing 6-inch guns while the contemporary Astoria-class heavy cruisers carried 9 8-inch guns that fired slower. Both were London Treaty class cruisers restricted to 10,000 tons displacement. The last of the Brooklyns would serve clear up to the Falklands War with Britain, when the last one in commission-- the Argentines General Belgrano (ex-USS Phoenix, I think) was sunk by the British.

9) USS West Virginia was not a WWI relic, but rather a representative of the second most powerful surface warship class in the world at the time (behind HMS Nelson class), as was her damaged sister USS Maryland. The two destroyers USS Cassin and USS Downes destroyed in drydock next to the fleet flagship USS Pennsylvania were not relics. USS Shaw was effectively destroyed due to the explosion in its forward magazine but was reconstructed anyhow as a matter of national pride. Plans were underway to salvage the destroyed Arizona and Oklahoma as well. Oklahoma was raised in an amazing maritime salvage operation but later stricken from the navy list and sold for scrap. In tow to the west coast for scrapping, it sprang a leak and sank. After several diving accidents in the oil-fouled waters around the Arizona, it was decided to abandon the effort. The only ship totally written off from the start was the target ship USS Utah, which was anchored in the Enterprise's usual berth and blasted. It's still there, I believe, since they filled in the dock over it.

10) Contrary to what you have to say about them, the American battleships served honorably and well throughout the remainder of the war.  USS Nevada, sister to the destroyed Oklahoma, provided fire support at D-Day. West Virginia, along with several of her Pearl Harbor mates blasted Nishimura's flank attack at Leyte Gulf into oblivion. It was this battle that effectively ended the career of the IJN. 

11) It was intended to make the Japanese surrender on board the USS Pennsylvania as a fitting closure to hostilities, but a torpedo damaged her in the final days of the war.

12) Nobody had any real doubt that war with Japan was imminent. But nobody believed they were capable of an attack on Pearl Harbor, including the British, who had been consulted about their experiences at Taranto. Nor was there any belief in the possibility of the vast explosion of Japanese invasions that blossomed all over the Pacific simultaneously. As is often the case in war, contempt for the enemy's capabilities blinded the leadership as to the signs that were plain to see after the fact.

My three favorite books on this time period are:

Day of Infamy by Walter Lord. Obviously about Pearl Harbor. Goes into very great detail about the intelligence trail and the communications failures.

But Not In Shame by John Toland. About the first six months of the Pacific War. Japan's rampage was one of the most remarkable and unexpected feats in the history of warfare. It goes far to illustrate the point I often make that small cadres of veterans can make mincemeat out of apparently well-equipped and trained adversaries who are nevertheless virgins to the art of actual bloodshed.

Incredible Victory by Walter Lord. About the Battle of Midway, which serves as an excellent companion piece that shows how effective the same intelligence data available but squandered at Pearl Harbor could be used to deadly effect at Midway once people were paying attention and had no doubt as to the remarkable abilities of the Japanese war machine. "AF is short of water." Brilliant.

The point I'm trying to make is that there is a lot to this story and to write it all off as yet another sinister conspiracy, full stop, seems to be a bit overblown to me. Context is very important. At this time in the war, Germany was at the far end of the Moscow street car line. Rommel was kicking the British ass around the moon in North Africa while the U-boat war was being steadily lost at sea, France was a beaten, submissive fragment, Europe was fully under German occupation or in terrorized compliance with whatever they wanted to demand. Adding the Japanese explosion on top of all this was bad but inevitable. Setting your own side up for a massacre under those geopolitical conditions would have been madness. Even so, it would take almost another year of Japan and Germany running free before they were finally brought to a halt.

The lowly buck-toothed, thick lensed ah-so imitators pulled off one of the greatest six months of war in human history. The USN and the USAF have ruled for so long that everyone seems to have forgotten that it was Japan which was the last power to truly challenge American dominance and did so very effectively for a while.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:56 | 6891319 Sorry_about_Dresden
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FDR, as Undersecretary of the Navy,  arranged financing to build the Japanese Navy as a buffer to the Bolsheviks after Versailles. When the Japs had built it up they used it to attck PH. I wonder if they repaid the loans for the ships???? I'll bet they paid it off after the war. The moneylenders get their money whether you win or lose.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:33 | 6889765 Sturm und Drang
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LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

 

PBR Street Gang, this is Almighty, over...

 

Tangentially....

I hate Baby Boomers.

The part about being the "prototype for the contemporary hipster" was uncalled for however.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:17 | 6890729 GhostOfDiogenes
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Hahaha noice!

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:47 | 6889830 Sudden Debt
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History is written by who wins.

Everything in life is a lie if you only listen to one side.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:57 | 6891323 Nero_Hedge
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Agree, except I can't tell anymore if one really stumbles upon more truths in listening to others, or double the lies...everything is fucked

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:51 | 6889859 Bill of Rights
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I'm sure this will be all over the evening (cough) news.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:58 | 6889895 besnook
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was that telegram ordered to be sent on 12/6?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:59 | 6889900 Usura
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"Day of Deceit", by Robert B Stinnett

http://www.amazon.com/Day-Of-Deceit-Truth-Harbor/dp/0743201299

When I read this book, I noted that communications at the time were being handled by William Paley, throught the CBS network, and I think it bizarre that the Navy would outsource such an important function.  Somehow the warning messages failed to reach Kimmel and Paley blamed this on "atmosheric conditions".  But if you look closely at the message reporting the attck itself, it is quite clear that radio traffic was indeed possible on December 7, 1941.

 

Paley went on to serve in the Psychological Warefare branch during WWII.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Paley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husband_E._Kimmel

 

 

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:02 | 6889927 jcdenton
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Okay, answer me this. Which is the more important (dare say pertinent) date?

 

A) Dec. 7, 1941

B) Sept. 11, 1941

 

Now, if you dared answer "B," then puzzle me this: (Especially in light of "tis the season.")

 

https://youtu.be/KQt9pBSYY5Y

 

So, mere coincidence(s) ? And what [geometric] shape does the Pentagon constitute? Just mere artistic expression?

 

http://theunseenrealm.com/

http://facadethebook.com/

http://www.readtheportent.com/

http://drmsh.com/

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:39 | 6890134 Benjamin123
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What else happened on 9/11?

7/11 is a part time job

9 to 5 is a full time job.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:12 | 6889988 jcdenton
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Actually, the more infamous telegram would be the Zimmerman ..

http://tuppersaussy.com/museum/html/writings/articles/15brienner.html

Without WW1, there would have never been a WW2 ..

 

And truly to comprehend the full context of Japan as a player, we do have to understand the inception of Islam ..

YES! -- Islam ..

https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp (Gods For The Godless.doc)

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:30 | 6891190 tarabel
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Bismarck's selective editing of Napoleon IIIs telegram to the King of Prussia in 1870 could also be added to that list. In fact, since the three wars sequentially witnessed the foundation, defeat, and eventual destruction of the German Empire, it is interesting to contemplate how well off the Germans might be today if the damned thing had never been invented.  

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:19 | 6890010 Nolde Huruska
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Bzzzt! Nice try and thanks for playing but that is at best the second most infamous telegram of all time. Most Americans have never heard of the most infamous telegram, even fewer have seen it. Now you can:

 

https://www.archives.gov/global-pages/larger-image.html?i=/education/les...

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:54 | 6890216 Jackagain
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Actually now I can't....

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:57 | 6890234 izzee
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So when I try to get to that... I get:

 

Secure Connection Failed

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

    The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
    Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.

 

Reporting the address and certificate information for www.archives.gov will help us identify and block malicious sites. Thanks for helping create a safer web!

Automatically report errors in the future

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WHAT's UP WITH THAT.

Is my FOXFIRE browser protecting me??

 

So am I on the No-Fly-List which puts me on the No NO NO NO NO LIst

.....Hey, what's that knock knock knocking at my door.

MEN IN BLACK with BIG Weapons

NeverMore NeverMore

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:18 | 6890383 youngman
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kind of interre...today it would have been Tweeted in c    even load your pages any

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:19 | 6890394 Omega_Man
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well well how about this one?

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=49995

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:59 | 6891006 conscious being
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Wow!

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:58 | 6890578 PrimalScream
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AIR RAID ON ANKARA - THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

What if Russia invaded Turkey in 2016 and took control?

Look at it from a purely logical point of view ... military logic.  It's a darn good strategic move by the Russians.  They would own Turkey and Syria.  And they would have complete control of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.  It's a huge win if they pull it off.  

Do you really think that Americans are willing to die for Erdogan???

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 03:46 | 6892305 KashNCarry
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A token 'few' would be sacrificed along with all the other mercenaries of NATO...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:14 | 6891923 onmail1
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This time it wont be same again

The generation after 'The Day After' will have 4 arms or with 2 heads or 3 legs 

At that time only US had the big bomb and it used it in a criminal manner on civilians 

This time it will be different

Tell me where is the largest Bulls Eye :

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http://www.ryot.org/supervolcano-yellowstone-volcano-will-it-erupt/765673

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3189619/What-happen-Yello...

http://www.weather.com/science/nature/news/yellowstone-national-park-sup...

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/24/us/yellowstone-supervolcano-magma-rese...

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Have darts ?

 

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:35 | 6891948 DarthVaderMentor
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It will be the most infamous message until this one comes out.......

 

RIOTS AND ANGRY MOBS OF HONEST CITIZENS WANTING TO TAR AND FEATHER THE CRIMINAL “WASHINGTON ELITE” CANNOT BE CONTAINED OR STOPPED.

THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

POLITICIANS AND LOBBYISTS EVACUATE WASHINGTON DC AND BELTWAY IMMEDIATELY.

THIS IS NOT A DRILL. 

 

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