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Trump Demands "Total & Complete" Shutdown Of Muslims Entering America: Full Recording Of Trump's South Carolina Rally

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Having exclaimed "is that all there is?" following President Obama's speech last night on how he would make Americans safer, Donald Trump appears to have decide to take matters into his own hands. The leading Republican presidential nominee has called for a "total and complete" moratorium on allowing Muslims to enter the United States...

Statement from The Trump Campaign:

(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015,

 

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

 

According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing “25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad” and 51% of those polled, “agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah.”  

 

Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won’t convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

 

Mr. Trump stated, “Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.

 

If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again.”

 

– Donald J. Trump

When asked by The Hill whether that would include Muslim-American citizens currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: "Mr. Trump says, 'everyone.'"

As the Hill adds, Trump is quoted in the statement as saying that a significant number of Muslims harbor a "hatred" toward America and as a result should be kept out of the country.He backed statement with a poll by the Center for Security Policy, a think-tank that has criticized the role of Muslims in America. That poll showed that one-quarter of Muslims living in America polled "agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as part of the global jihad" and that a majority think that Muslims in America should be allowed to answer to Shariah law.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said. "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."

Trump's comments come less than a week after a mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., killed 14 people. The alleged shooters were both Muslim, and the federal government is investigating whether the attack was tied to terrorism.

And while we understand Trump's eagerness to bottle up the populist response in the aftermath to San Bernardino, we have one quick question - how will Trump identify Muslims and whether he has a specific plan for how to keep those Muslims already in the segregated from the rest of the population?

Also, for clarification:

  • TRUMP MUSLIM BAN WOULD ALSO APPLY TO TOURISTS, CAMPAIGN MANAGER SAYS -- AP
Does that include alleged, Kenyan-born world leaders who may or may not have doctored their long-form birth certificate?

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And then, kust minutes after Trump unleashed his plan to "deal with" Muslims, Ben Carson trolled in:

"Everyone visiting our country should register and be monitored during their stay as is done in many countries," Carson spokesman Doug Watts said. "We do not and would not advocate being selective on one's religion."

In other words, you get an RFID collar, you get an RFID collar, and everyone gets an RFID collar!

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Finally, for those who missed it, here is the full recording of Donald Trump's speech which just concluded in Mount Pleasant, S.C. in which he lays out his stunning proposal to the thousands of people present, to which he gets a standing ovation.

 

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Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:44 | 6889816 NidStyles
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I agree. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 17:58 | 6889890 JLee2027
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I also agree. Muslims do not assimilate. They do not have American values. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:02 | 6889918 NidStyles
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None of the Semitics do from what I have seen. Send them all back home to the deserts they cherish so badly. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:13 | 6889983 The Juggernaut
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Include Zionsts with that ban!  They don't assimilate either!

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:13 | 6889991 CClarity
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If an American muslim is traveling in Europe or Asia or anywhere outside the US today and is scheduled to return to the US after his/her business trip, should they not be allowed back in tht US - repelled at customs and passport control?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:15 | 6889997 The Juggernaut
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Ban everyone!  LOL

 

Ending Saudi relationship is the root solution.  Trump is just pandering to the stupid mainstream republicans.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:17 | 6890014 1223pm
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yes, that what this will leads to. No one come to US and American go no where. Yes, create a greater Israel.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:23 | 6890046 Fed Supporter
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Lt Col Ralph Peters calls Obama 'a total pussy' on live televisionhttps:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfzSlldIUHQ

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:25 | 6890057 Pladizow
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Great minds think a like?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 10:11 | 6887676 Pladizow

How many acts of terror can Muslim's carry out in your country if they are not allowed in?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:30 | 6890087 Fukushima Sam
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Lol!  How the fuck do I get off this crazy carnival ride?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:41 | 6890139 schatzi
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Religious freedom is one of the pillars of every free and democratic society. Sorting humans by religion just like in the good old days of '33. Christ on a bike, why are we even discussing this? This guy is beyond repair.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:49 | 6890187 Latina Lover
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Is Trump speaking for the average American? 

Did Trump just jump the shark?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:52 | 6890204 11b40
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Trump is the shark.

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:04 | 6890289 Fed Supporter
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Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete theopolitical system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:07 | 6890311 NidStyles
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That is all of the Abrahamic faiths. Look at the Catholic Church, The Jewish Rabbinical orders. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:33 | 6890464 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bullshit. Islam claims to be "Abrahamic", but there isn't a shred of theological or historical evidence to support that claim.

"Islam is often referred to as an Abrahamic religion to Western audience as an attempt to promote interfaith harmony and the spread Islam via persuasion and/or a deceptive attempt to ease mainly Judeo-Christian Westerners' apprehension about Islam. Regardless of the motive, referring to Islam as an Abrahamic faith lends it, at least in some circles, certain credibility that it does not deserve.

If one defines "Abrahamic religion" as any religion originating from one of Abraham's descendants and further assumes Muhammad to be descended from Abraham though Ishmael, then one may call Islam an Abrahamic religion.

However, Wikipedia defines "Judaism, Christianity and Islam" as Abrahamic religions, because they “share a common origin and values”. And most people call Islam an Abrahamic religion in the sense of this Wikipedia definition. But, a closer examination of three faiths excludes Islam from the same league.

As such, it is an egregious error to label Islam as an Abrahamic religion as its material values are so far removed from, indeed hostile and diametrically opposed to, both Judaism and Christianity, to the extent that it is unfair and cruel to Jews and Christians to claim that the three religions ‘share the same values’. Islam is simply too far removed from Judaism and Christian in its perception of the nature of God to ultimately share any material values with the latter."

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/50-stunich/399-islam-abrahamic-religi...

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:40 | 6890502 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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when someone can actually link the descendents of ishmael to the creation of islam i will listen, until then it is pure bullshit speculation to justify a murderous system

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:48 | 6890523 NidStyles
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Yes, because not noticing that the language specifies the treatment of Jews being the main defining mark between Christianity and Islam would be a sin, right?

 

Just have to keep that propaganda up and hope I slip up some day don't you Mr. Hasbara. Do you Hasbara fuckers think we don't know you're here? Are you really that daft that you don't think we see right through the bullshit. 

 

Jews and Muslims, The new false dichotomy to confuse the masses. 

The Spanish Inquisition was started to find traitorous infiltrating Jews. Pretty sure that Muslims and real Christians used to the think the same way about Jews, especially counting up to 109 these days ;-) 

 

keep junking me, I love it. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:52 | 6890576 Manthong
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First step… no new mosques.

Second Step... shut down any Wahhabi mosques.

Third step... electronically monitor the rest.

Nothing in the Constitution says we have to tolerate hostility.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:00 | 6890622 Fed Supporter
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-paying-asylum-seekers-to-return-home-as-refugee-crisis-continues-a6763496.html

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:33 | 6890833 tmosley
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A better solution would be to recognize that all nations that have been infected by Wahhabism are enemies of civilization, and initiate a trade embargo with them. Ban ALL US citizens from going to those countries, just we do now with North Korea and until recently did with Cuba.

If "refugees" want to come from those countries, they must first denounce Wahhabi Islam, just like we should have made Cuban refugees denounce Communism.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:47 | 6890937 McMolotov
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In debating all of this, people are missing the larger point. As patriotic Americans, it's our duty to be afraid at all times, to cower in submissive fear while asking for the government to protect us from threats both real and imaginary. But we must not let ourselves be so afraid that we won't go out during the holiday season and buy a bunch of shit we don't need and can't afford.

That said, we should definitely keep an eye on that Santa asshole, because if you rearrange the letters in his name, you get "Satan." He also has a suspiciously large beard, and we all know what that means. God only knows what kind of explosive device he could be hiding under that big red coat.

To sum up, be afraid and buy useless shit.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:22 | 6891103 two hoots
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A free mind coupled with the 1st Amendtment is like a box of chocolates.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:31 | 6891192 McMolotov
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Life is like a box of chocolates: it doesn't last as long for fat people.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 03:07 | 6892251 Stainless Steel Rat
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Our battlecry will be: "Total extermination of the Thals!"

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 03:30 | 6892291 Stainless Steel Rat
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Sharia Law is the antithesis of human rights and democracy.  But the forbidding of the belief in it is the antithesis of our constitution.  Identification against our enemy is how we can be controlled and manipulated into state mandated religion.  It is at this point that we become no different than a theocracy.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 04:52 | 6892344 VinceFostersGhost
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Sharia Law is the anti Bill oF Rights.

 

 

Go to hell.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:33 | 6892369 jeff montanye
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your last sentence is more like sharia law than the bill of rights.

just sayin'.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:40 | 6892380 VinceFostersGhost
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If you get raped....I hope you have 4 witnesses.

 

 

Just sayin'.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:42 | 6892381 jeff montanye
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that doesn't even make sense as a reply.

you lapsed into religion; you can't help yourself.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:51 | 6892383 VinceFostersGhost
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It's all religion dumbass.

 

So is climate change.

 

Again....go to hell.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 08:19 | 6892527 Arnold
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Thank you Mr Trumph for raising the issue.

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 08:31 | 6892549 VinceFostersGhost
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Thomas Jefferson had some problems with those guys as well.

 

Hence the phrase....to the shores of Tripoli.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:29 | 6891183 SMG
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Very funny, yet poignant sir!

+1

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:34 | 6891526 cheeseheader
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That said, we should definitely keep an eye on that Santa asshole, because if you rearrange the letters in his name, you get "Satan."

~

 

Thanks Mr Farrakhan...although it didn't rhyme.  Oh wait, that's Jesse's milieu right?  Now I remember; you deal in numbers dontcha?  Well, where are they?

 

Anything new on the wheel-in-the-sky, bro?

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:24 | 6892757 1223pm
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Another side-effect of this fear mongering is curiosity it create about the religion of Islam. Educated and reasonable people read about it and find out how BS is being spread out about Islam. And they convert. Highest numer of educated american converted to Islam is after 911. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:33 | 6892134 Iwanttoknow
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tmosley,

you made the most sensible post.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:32 | 6892796 1223pm
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Trump is ass hole who brought up subject of Islam and Muslims. now a lot of people will start investigating Islam and will find out how much lies are being spread out. idiots will keep following trump but a reasonable majority of educated american will learn about real Islam and will be sympathetic. that's why I say a stupid friend  is dangerous then a wise enemy.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:55 | 6890597 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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read luther's works,

 

popery is not Christianity.... your confusion is heavily related to this mistaken deduction

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:25 | 6890712 NidStyles
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Let me ask my Saxon Ancestors if the distinction made a different before or after they watched their village torched to the ground for not wanting to "convert". Yeah, the track record is equally bad for all three groups, and your lies and appeasements do not change anything. 

 

Religion of peace my ass. None of those religions are worth the promises they make. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:39 | 6890883 tmosley
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Aryan Christians didn't oppress other sects of Christianity nor pagans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

So yeah, they probably did make the distinction.

And no, "Aryan" Christianity didn't have anything to do with the Nazis, even though they attempted to appropriate the title.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:39 | 6891229 NidStyles
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An Aryan is a person of Celtic Descent. The initial R1 haplogroups. 

 

Hitler was a fan of Charlemagne. You should probably look him up too.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:46 | 6892375 jeff montanye
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and don't forget to thank the egyptians, for that is where arian christianity began both geographically and theoretically.

also the line from the wiki link posted "The conflict in the 4th century AD had seen Arian and Nicene factions struggling for control of the Church." kind of undercuts the peaceable kingdom aspect of the arian christians.

it was the fourth century for goodness sake.

let's argue over the twenty first with reference to the twentieth.  that's tough enough.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 04:17 | 6892321 buyingsterling
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Anyone who equates Islam and Christianity is a very young or very stupid person.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:33 | 6890838 Chris Dakota
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I told  you that it is 1933 all over again. I said I thought that person was Donald Trump and I was right.

See the cheering in this crowd, this is how Germany went full Nazi.

You are seeing it right now.

Trump and Cruz were stalking horses to put down anti war pro liberty Rand Paul.

He is at 1% now.

So sad, just took a few flase flags French and American.

Zionazi America

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:44 | 6890918 tmosley
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1933 Germany isn't the only reactionary template in history.

I would suspect this is more like the rise of the KKK against the carpetbaggers. Though they were violent, they were not OVERLY violent as were the Nazis. Indeed, more blacks are killed by blacks every few months than the Klan ever killed in their entire history.

This model took the US down what I call the "National Capitalist" route (as opposed to National Socialist), where overall free enterprise reigned, but certain racial minorities were second class citizens, whether deserved or not. Ironically, those second class citizens were treated better than we are today, by and large.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:12 | 6891084 Chris Dakota
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Call it what you like, it ends the same.

Would you trust Trump with the big red button?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:47 | 6891591 NidStyles
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No one should have a big red button.

 

 

Can not trust anyone. Not Jeb, not Trump, and certainly not that batshit insane bitch Hillary. If you convince the rest fo the world to disarm and can prove they disarmed, then you can not worry about trusting some guy you've never met with his finger near the nuclear annihilation button. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 23:12 | 6891707 Chris Dakota
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I met this guy about 10 yrs ago who worked for the National Enquirer during the OJ murder trail.

He was laughing and said "Yeah, we darkened up his photo to make him look much more scary"

Sayed Farook ID found in his apartment by the honorable media.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/05/02/2F10A32600000578-3346975-im...

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 23:57 | 6891860 NidStyles
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He was guilty. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:27 | 6891952 tmosley
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What's the alternative? Hillary? Jeb? Any of the dozen other warmongers in the running?

Yes, I would rather have Trump.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:36 | 6892830 1223pm
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I will say let the real America come out once and for all. let this shit get settle.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:28 | 6892113 Nostradumbass
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Based upon your comment, it is evident that you have no idea who Hitler was and what he wanted for his country and people.

History Channel much?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:34 | 6890843 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Donald Trump, along with nutcases such as yourself, now stand clearly revealed for what they are.

Fascist demagogues.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:45 | 6890925 tmosley
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Don't worry Magnus. Your country can take them in.  I'm sure there's plenty more room in your anus for them.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:12 | 6891408 Son of Loki
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Trump has some good ideas and some mixed ones. Some of his ideas are a big turnoff:

 

1) lowering taxes for the middle class;

2) downsizing gubmint; and,

3)cutting welfare benfits and child tax credits.

 

 

... mmm ... wait a sec ....

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 04:50 | 6892341 John_Coltrane
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Its not really about organized superstition (i.e. all religion) but culture.  Now, what does the medieval, antiscientific, antifemale moslum culture have to offer the West:  zero (that's a bit of  pun since 14th century inclusive moslum culture did embrace the eastern indian invention of zero so vital to modern mathematics before Europe did)  Name a significant modern moslum scientist.

Now, consider the Jewish culture:  what does it offer the modern world?  How about a signficant fraction of the important scientific ideas which have revolutionized modern culture.  Einstein, Feynmann, Gel Mann, Stephen Weinberg.  These intellectural giants all of course, are both Jewish in cultural etiology and atheist.  Superstition and science are incompatible and those with the greatest talent and IQ realize that.  Marx got most things wrong but the "religion is the opiate of the masses thing" was spot on!  But without the Jewish of culture of respect for the hard work, key role of the individual, questioning of authority, and general independence could these revolutionaries have evolved?  As a fraction of world population no culture has been more vital to the West and our current technological and economic superiority than the Jews.

When you're really smart and determined you can defeat overwhelming opponents-and it might only take 7 days even using women soldiers!  Moslum scum may treat their women like property but they fight like women as those nasty Zionists in Isreal prove time and time again. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 08:38 | 6892577 Chris Dakota
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Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama must be Muslims too.

How many did they murder?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:44 | 6890528 where_is the_nuke
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No it's called Abrahamic religion from a theological perspective. The fundamental theology of Islam is same like Judaism and Christianity. The concept of duality, The good and evil,The God and satan, The heave and hell. These are all what Neitzsche called slave religions. They give slaves incentive to abide by those religions promising good afterlife.
While the Eastern religions and paganism differ diametrically. There  good and evil  are just a manifestation of the unmanifest, the God supreme.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:02 | 6890635 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yeah, um, except for the part where you are completely talking out of your ass.

"The fundamental theology of Islam is same like Judaism and Christianity."

Really? How do you know this, exactly? Sounds like a bullshit soundbite you vaguely recalled from your public-school 9th Grade World History class.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:05 | 6890654 where_is the_nuke
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"The concept of duality, The good and evil,The God and satan, The heave and hell"---Can't you read moron?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:31 | 6890820 Buckaroo Banzai
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So that's it-- that's the best you can come up with?

I will reiterate: your level of understanding of Islam is equivalent to a badly misinformed 9th Grader.

In fairness to you, virtually every public-schooled 9th Grader is badly misinformed about Islam. So you are in plenty of company.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:55 | 6892175 where_is the_nuke
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It's not like everytime you have to come with some hillybilly comments.
1+1=2 is a pretty simple thing to say and write.
But you fucktard is most probably have the IQ less than 80

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 03:13 | 6892268 JLee2027
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Allah is the moon. The moon GOD. It's on their flag. It's not the same GOD, and there is no devil. You go to hell if you are not a Good Muslim, ie. killing infidels dying in battle a glorious death where you are awarded virgins as your own in return for dying for Allah. It's what makes suicide bombing attractive. The offical position on homosexuality is that is worthy of death, however, there are passages in the Book that should be burned that approve of men having sexual relationships with young boys - open perversion of children. They practice that shit in front of our troops in Afghanistan and the troops are told to ignore it.

Does that fucking sound the same to you?  It's the most fucked up religion ever born, because it came from the Devil, to enslave and control and oppose Christ.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:10 | 6890684 where_is the_nuke
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Wow Americans read History.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:47 | 6890938 tmosley
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Did you ever actually READ the Bible? It's an extremely fucked up document. If you read it and followed it, you wouldn't last a week without going to jail or being gunned down, probably after stoning someone to death for something crazy like eating meat on a Friday.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:08 | 6891689 LowerSlowerDela...
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You, being a Bible scholar, no doubt understand that you are talking about the Ceremonial Laws of the Old Testament.  Christ satisfied the laws of the Old Testament, saving the sinners (anyone) who followed Him from certain death.  The Ceremonial Laws do not apply to the New Testament (New Covenant).

When one of the Jewish teachers of religious law asked Christ (Mark 12:28b) “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 
(Mark 12:29-31) Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’  The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. No other commandment is greater than these.”

You are correct in that it is hard to live by loving your neighbors (includes everyone).  Maybe next time try reading the Bible (all of it, not just the Old Testament, or rants that you read online about it) before "educating" everyone about it.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:37 | 6891978 tmosley
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Sorry, bucko, but Jesus said the laws of the Old Testament were still in force.

Not that any of that hooey matters. The point is that semites are all fucking insane, and their religions reflect that. Put them all in the trash where they belong.

For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

Enjoy your leastness.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:58 | 6892005 LowerSlowerDela...
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Sorry, sweetie, but Christ satisfied the Old Covenant laws (the moral laws still stand) :

“But our High Priest [Jesus Christ] has been given a ministry that is far superior to the ministry of those who serve under the old laws, for he is the one who guarantees for us a better covenant with God, based on better promises. If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. But God himself found fault with the old one when he said: “The day will come, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah…” (Heb. 8:6-)

 

“This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” (Luke 22:20).

 

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom. 10:1-4)

 

“…for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” (Romans 13:8-10)

 

The New Testament goes on and on, time after time, stating that the Old Covenant (not moral laws) have been satisfied.  Told by both Christ and his disciples.

 

You have a complete lack of understanding of Christianity when you claim that Christians must abide by the Jewish cerimonial laws.  Like I said, try reading the New Testament then get back to me.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 02:14 | 6892199 Fed Supporter
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"Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."

This sums it up, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved..  He imputes his righteousness to us, it covers a multitude of our sins, he paid the price in full for all that freely accept that which He freely offers.

THe only works we are now required to do are to believe on the One whom God sent (Jesus) and we will receive the gift of Eternal Life and have the right to be called the Sons and Daughters of God.  

So simple most can not accept or believe it.  

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 03:17 | 6892275 JLee2027
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To acheive forgiveness of sin and salvation you must REPENT OF YOUR SINS. That is all part and parcel of accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. Otherwise if you refuse to repent, are you really accepting Christ as your Lord? Forgiveness of sin is not automatic. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 04:12 | 6892318 Fed Supporter
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I agree fully, I was just pointing out Jesus is the only way to the father, I know very un-PC.  I find it quite interesting men look for all sorts of paths but not his.  Christianity is very exclusive meaning it is the only way yet God makes it available to all.  Imagine you go to the doctor and he says you have terminal cancer and you are going to die, but we have ONE cure.  Do you think that person is going to say that is really narrow minded that there is only one way to live.  

A partial list of those that reject the diety of Jesus Christ and therefore do not know Him and will not recieve salvation or the free gift of eternal light.

Muslims, Mormans, Jehovas witnesses, Unitarians, the bulk of Catholics that pray to Mary, Jews, and any others that say Jesus is not God in the flesh.  

Jesus asked the disciples who do the people say that I am and they had a host of answers, like John the Baptist raised back to life and like Eligah, etc.  But Jesus said to them "But who do you say that I am?"  and Peter answered you are the Christ.  And Jesus said Simon Peter you are blessed because you did not learn this from any person, flesh, worldly knowledge etc.  He said it was revealed to Simon Peter by God alone.  So none of us can know who Jesus is unless God through the Holly Spirit reveals it to us.  The list I gave have an assorment of answers as to who Jesus is in their definition.

Muslims say Jesus was a prophet and just a man, not God.  He came from dust and returned to dust.

Mormans say Jesus is the heavenly offspring from God and his wife, so Jesus was a created being and further Jesus is brothers with Satan.

Jehovas Witnesses, state Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, also a created being.

Sevent Day adventists say Jesus was also a Angel.

Unitarian say Jesus is the son of God but not God in the flesh, denying the Trinity, 3 yet one. according to them Jesus was created.

Catholics, I believe some get it but most pray to other men and pray to Mary the earthly mother of Jesus.  This is a big no no and leads the church into all sorts of errors.  ALso they pray to saints etc.

Jews of course rejected Christ the first time he came and are awaiting His return, in their minds for the first time.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:39 | 6892376 JLee2027
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I am Catholic. There is nothing wrong with praying and asking Mary or the Saints for intercession on your behalf. This is not worship. The Bible does not discuss this topic. But the Roman Catholic Church that Christ founded does talk about it and says it is ok.  I'm not sure that men can reject the Roman Catholic Church and it's teachings (who says praying to saints is fine) and claim salvation. Truly that is a dangerous path...if you reject his Church, some part of you, rejected Christ.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 14:07 | 6894705 Fed Supporter
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The bible states their is only one way we access the Father God that is through the blood of Jesus.  Mary was a sinner just like you and I and she also needed to believe in Jesus in order to obtain salvation.  This another false teaching that has crept into the Catholic church.  You say if someone rejects the Catholic Church then they reject Christ is a bunch of baloney.  But like Mormons, Jews, Jehovas Witnessess I can not convince you, you need to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling between you and God directly as the Bible states.  You my friend are decieved if you believe I need to add works to the finished work of the cross.  Jesus said you can not be saved unless you are sent to Him by God the Father and further Jesus says I will lose any that the Father gives Him.  As well in the book of Revelation, John fell at the feet of an Angel who quickly corrected John and said get up dont worship me I am a fellow worker like you. God said he will not share His Glory with any.  

Like I said we can argue until the cows come home but I am never going to convince you.  If you are ever interested in researching all religions this web site is a great resource.   Carm.org

Peace.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:39 | 6892377 JLee2027
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I am Catholic. There is nothing wrong with praying and asking Mary or the Saints for intercession on your behalf. This is not worship. The Bible does not discuss this topic. But the Roman Catholic Church that Christ founded does talk about it and says it is ok.  I'm not sure that men can reject the Roman Catholic Church and it's teachings (who says praying to saints is fine) and claim salvation. Truly that is a dangerous path...if you reject his Church, some part of you, rejected Christ.

 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:44 | 6890529 Iwanttoknow
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fuch head,read.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:09 | 6891066 EddieLomax
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Yep, it is a takeover religion, Muslims pretend to follow and cherish the bible, but the Quran more often then not directly contradicts the bible, if you question a Muslim though they will just say that the bible must have become corrupted...

A blood thirsty religion that allows its founder special priviliges with the ladies (and children) is a cult, a religion that setences to death those that try to leave it is a cult, and a religion that says there is no rule but Allah's rule cannot ever sit peacefully with any secular rule of law.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:10 | 6891071 cornflakesdisease
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Jehovah's Witnesses and the Amish have a military? 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:09 | 6890325 Herd Redirectio...
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Just wait until the Muslims start changing their names to Silverstein, Goldberg, Green, Stewart, Kerry, I could go on...

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:21 | 6890402 847328_3527
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Lets ask the peeples of San Bernardino how they feel about this issue.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:22 | 6890759 bamawatson
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:13 | 6891091 Chris Dakota
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They are all too stoned, its a lawless place down there.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:20 | 6891126 Never One Roach
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Cali is a disaster nowadays. Add in the Fuki brain decay and a few more Jerry Brown "Safe Zones" for illegals and it'll be 100% "Change you can believe in!"

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:12 | 6891081 Demdere
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They all were.  Do you not remember that Catholic Bishops were important powers in the secular world all through Europe?  England and France finally drove them out.  And guaranteed, if we let it go again, they would try to gain power the same way.  Same as the Mullah's have done in Iran.  But, let's see, where else has it happened in the modern world? And who set that one up?

I guess they saw the Ayatolla as their Trump. Good lesson.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:13 | 6891414 b.maximus
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Islam is pieces. Rest in pieces. Islam is a psychosis.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:06 | 6890307 NidStyles
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I think it's a great time to remind everyone that the United States of America is a Republic, and Freedom means I don't have to worry about my security from third world "refugees" that want to fucking kill me because I don't bang my forehead on the sacred towel 5 times a day, or that I don't let the Rabbi tell me what I can and can not do, because his religious order thinks they are the sole authority over all of humanity. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:46 | 6890540 A Nanny Moose
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United States of America is a Republic, and Freedom means I don't have to worry about my security from third world "refugees"

Um....good luck with that. First of all....FORMER REPEWBLIK.  Second, The State is simply the outsourcing of varying levels of accountability. Third, Freedom requires that each individual take full responsibility for his/her actions. Lastly, FREEDOM means no State. Freedom, and The State (no matter the form) are mutually exclusive ideas.

End The State, and you end all of the horseshit as we know it.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:49 | 6890554 NidStyles
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You can end your state, go down the river not across. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:59 | 6890618 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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a republic founded by christians of the protestant vain that understood that pope was just what you claim rabbis and islamists are....  think about that for a bit

 

think about who drafted the bill of rights...

 

this is all because of what martin luther started.... and oliver cromwell continued,  and what the puritans and other protestant/baptist refugees of europe brought to fruitition.

 

freedom of conscious was given to us because luther, tyndale, wycliffe (to name a few) gave us the word of God that we could read ourselves rather than let the priestly class disseminate

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:26 | 6891947 MrButtoMcFarty
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The United States of America is a business.

Let's remember the root of all this shit.

Oil.

Pipelines.

Money.

Fuck Islam, Fuck Israel, and Fuck DC.

A pox on all their fucking houses.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:47 | 6890544 chiswickcat
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Trump the shark.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 06:57 | 6892428 Boscovius
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Trump took a dump.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:33 | 6891966 thinkmoretalkless
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It is dangerous to herd the bull into the china shop, you might get gored, but you hate the owners of the china shop so much it is worth the risk.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:52 | 6890193 Buckaroo Banzai
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The flaw in your logic is that Islam is not a religion, it is a political ideology. Similar to Nazism or Communism, Islam is composed of a small, poisonous core of death-dealing ideological fanatics, surrounded by a creamy nougat of mild-mannered wooly-headed go-along-to-get-alongs that make the thing palatable to the uninformed and stupid.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:10 | 6890328 Herd Redirectio...
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Dare I say ZIONISM?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:09 | 6890680 Socratic Dog
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You are a blithering pack of ignorant cunts.  If, a big if, muslims actually want to kill americans it is because the US invades their countries and kills their people.  It's called blowback.  IF it actually exists.  Zero Hedge is the False Flag home of the internet, most here accept that the US and Israel carry them out willy nilly.  IT'S NOT THE FUCKING MUSLIMS!  It's our own government and our "closest ally".  Jesus, how to get that to sink in?

9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:37 | 6890864 Buckaroo Banzai
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Look, I love a good conspiracy theory. And I'm right with you on false flags: there have been plenty.

But that doesn't excuse us from taking a hard look at what Islam REALLY IS, and not the "religion of peace" bullshit they are trying to sell us.

You KNOW that every single thing that comes out of Obama's mouth is a complete lie. So why on earth would you believe him when he is trying to sell you that "religion of peace" bullshit?

If you want to manufacture a bogeyman to use to control your population, don't you think the easiest place to start is with a REAL bogeyman?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:18 | 6891120 Demdere
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Good idea, and don't you think they would have used that if it had been real?

They had to use Saudis, there were no Al Qaeda dumb enough, I guess.

And it isn't a boogey man, that False Flag operation you want us to ignore.  It was done, by Israeli-Neocons to US citizens, and it is very well documented, and every intelligent and aware person in the world knows full well who and what and why.

9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government

And now the world is driven by the fact that they will be hung if normal politics is allowed to resume.  So you have to hate Muslims, or they get hung.  See your duty?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:07 | 6893372 FrankDrakman
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Jesus H. F'ing...

Whether or not 9/11 was a false flag is IRRELEVANT.

Don't you read history? Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours? Even more appropriate is the history of Peter the Great of Russia.

In 1697, he started a grand tour of Europe, with the hope of gaining Christian allies (Austria/Hungary, Spain, the Netherland, Britain, France) for his upcoming war with the Ottomans (Muslims). He said then, and it's just as true now, that the battle will be between Christians and Muslims for control of the world.

Isn't this exactly what Vlad is telling us now? That the enemy of Russia and the West is the Muslims, and we need to show resolve and steel NOW. I don't blame Vlad for doing what he does; he's the RUSSIAN president, goddam it, and his job is to promote RUSSIA's interests. Are we so pussified by Obama, Hollande, Merkel, and now the Dauphin in Canada, that we can't recognize someone who's actually DOING his job of promoting his country's interests, instead of lying down and letting others trample all over them?

the Muslims, despite the religion of peace bullshit (accurately called out by Buckaroo), won't rest until they dominate the world. Most normal people I know detest Jehovah's Witnesses and other sects because they keep trying to convert us with their words. The Muslims aren't content with mere words; they want to use S-words, as in decapitation. Regardless of what we think of the TPTB (and I detest them too), we have to put these 7th century goatherders in their place. If they didn't have oil - or more important, if we didn't need it - they would have no power, and we would have no interest in their deserts. So, let's take a three-fold approach:

1 - Continue to encourage the switch to hybrid/electric cars. Every engineer knows electric motors are twice as efficient as ICE. Already, electrics are extremely useful in urban applications. Small scale solar and wind may be just the thing to recharge your car without burning any Muslim oil. Already, just by increasing CAFE and the cash-for-clunkers (however poorly run it was), the US has created a PERMANENT drop in gasoline demand. Let's keep it going.

2 - Put a tariff on OPEC oil, set so that 'unconventonal' sources like fracking and oil sands are economical. This will reduce the West's demand for OPEC oil, stimulate activity within the West, and allow us to withdraw troops from Muslim lands. If we don't need their oil, we don't need to be there.

3 - Toughen up Western constitutions, so that the Muslims cannot pull a 'revenge of the cradle' as the Quebecois did in the 50's and 60's in Canada. Outlaw all 'religious' law alternatives to secular law - Sharia, especially, but this will also piss off certain Jewish sects. Bring back the death penalty for treason and sedition. NO EXCEPTIONS for religions. In Toronto, you can't have a Christmas party at school - it's not 'inclusive', so they have "winter celebrations" instead - but there are some schools where certain rooms are set aside on Friday so the Muslims can say their prayers. (The girls have to sit in the back, and the girls on their periods can't attend - guess how much pushback that generated from Toronto's legion of SJW/Feminazi's? If you picked "square root of zero", you're on the right track.)

I'm sure the bright minds here could elaborate on these ideas, but they are a good start.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:48 | 6891273 Socratic Dog
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I don't know what comes out of Obama's mouth, other than what I read here, because I do not listen to him.  Or to Trump, or Sanders, or any of the other wannabe figureheads.  So I don't really care if he is trying to sell us on some "religion of peace" bullshit, and I don't think we need to take a "hard look at what Islam REALLY IS", because it is none of my concern.  If muslims are actually trying to kill us for the evil we perpetrate in their countries, then that would seem fair enough to me.  Sorta predictable.

What I care about most is the headlong rush to disaster these dual-citizen neocons are taking us on, trying to start a war with Russia internationally, and to create North Korea redux on the home front.  And all for the benefit of Israel.  You need to deprogram your knee-jerk muzzie hatred, understand that it has been programmed into you by the neocons, and look at what really matters.  The cunts who pulled of 9/11 are sitting in full view, even if the Riverside thing was real and not a false flag it means little alongside the slaughter of 9/11, that's what you need to take a long hard look at.  A "good conspiracy theory"?  If that's what you think it is, after your years on this board, then there be little hope for you and yours.

9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government.  And don't fucking forget it.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:35 | 6891535 Casey Jones
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Socratic dog,

You got it right. I thought once the architects and engineers came out and finally proved beyond any reasonable doubt what was actually visibly obvious (controlled demolition of all 3 WTC towers) that the 9/11 truth idea would catch like wildfire because it was such a gaping chink in the armor. But it seems we're getting farther not closer. Too much fucking noise for any signal to get through. There's not stopping this shit show until it's all played out in some neocon wet dream. God help us all.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:13 | 6891087 EddieLomax
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There was Islamic violence before the US invaded Iraq, before the USSR invaded Afghanistan, before Israel existed.

I could go on and on, Muslims have been fighting and dying for their faith for hundreds of years, the only thing that changes is the target.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:26 | 6891465 malek
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 Islam is not a religion

You remind me of the batshit crazy folks saying waterboarding is not torture.

It's quite astounding how little it takes even for the ZH crowd to yoller "Strip away their civil rights!"

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:00 | 6891869 dogismycopilot
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really, Dick Cheney just said bringing Muslims into the US is part of our core values. NY TIMES just printed that. So sure you are still on the right side?

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/07/donald-trump-call...

Trump is 100% right. Shut this shit show down until we know what is happening.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 00:31 | 6891961 malek
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You're one of the few who still give a shit what war criminal Cheney blabbers?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:05 | 6893799 Socratic Dog
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Let's separate eternal war and immigration.  I have no problem with immigration policies aimed at sustaining culture, whether that means ethnic, racial, or religious.  It has become obvious that our beloved melting pots bring about no more than balkanization.

I have a big problem with yee-hah, go USA, slaughtering of other peoples, no matter what their fucking religion or race, in the name of Greater Israel, oil, and MIC profits.  That is intrinsically evil.  Period.

Cheney should be hung by the neck until dead, in public. He is a traitor.  An architect of 9/11.

Look up Operation Gladdio II.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:59 | 6890253 Bananamerican
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"Religious freedom is one of the pillars of every free and democratic society"

yea Schatzi...If you like your Black Mass...you can keep your Black Mass.

It is funny how the human race may have finally reached it's "Tolerance" breaking point in this age of Gender-Reassignment and the Muslim version of "Free Speech"

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:02 | 6890272 Veriton
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Enough with the distractions. Operation Northwoods and what happened to the Malaysian airliners (part 4):

Vladimir Putin and 9/11 (+ False-flag warnings for today from 1962, part 4)
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:02 | 6890276 Oldwood
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Religious freedom is one of the pillars of every free and democratic society.

Really?

Which ones? Any that have been in existence for more than a couple of hundred years?

I'm sick and tired of this stupid crap, spouting off ideals like they are more of our "guaranteed rights" that somehow bestow us special privileges. You are free to do what you want till you start fucking with my shit. Freedom ends right fucking there. Progressives would attempt to blind us with their utopian platitudes like its would all come true if we only believed strongly enough...or sacrificed enough lives. Just exactly how far are you willing to bend over and take it up the ass before you say enough is enough? Do you want religious tolerance until your neighborhoods are segregated into sharia and non sharia compliance? Do you want your kids to wear burkas to class so as to not offend Muslims? Just how far are you willing to go with your religious freedom and tolerance? If there is a "religion" that simply states as its reason for existence YOUR DEATH, would you still demand tolerance of it? Because for as significant number of people in this world that is exactly the religion they follow.

For all you kind hearted souls so ready and willing to put EVERYONE at risk, please do take a short trip to the ME, practice a bit of religious tolerance there and then come back and preach the good book to us. Please.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:09 | 6890324 NidStyles
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He's pushing propaganda, primarily the Democrap propaganda that comes out of the Progressive left. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 23:04 | 6891670 fockewulf190
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Putin and Trump are going to get along a thousand times better than Putin does with Obama now or with Hillary. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:46 | 6892166 Ace006
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Way ... to ... go, buddy!

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:12 | 6890691 sschu
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Religious freedom is one of the pillars of every free and democratic society.

Every society?  That said, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.  How do we protect ourselves and still be true to our principles?  It seems that blindly letting anyone into the country, without understanding their motives is likewise not a "pillar of a free and democratic society."  

So we cannot determine their motives or intentions, some of them claim and have proven themselves to come here to kill us.  It seems just letting them in is foolish at best, criminal at worst.  What do we do? 

sschu

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:26 | 6891166 Demdere
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The suicide pact was set up by the Israeli-Neocons who did the 9/11 False Flag operation.  I think that has a lot to do with the dysfunction of America, the bitterness in the Senate.

You know, no politician can talk about 9/11 in public, but they all know what happened and who did it.  No secrets from anyone in the world, all the military and intelligence folks saw it happen and said 'nice job of demolition, very innovative as false flags go.  Isn't technology great? Cathedrals were the first great propaganda triumph, and look how far we have come."

So the country has to be pushed to rebellion, or the Israeli-Neocons can't take power in the military coup they have mostly-executed.  Do you notice that nobody in our Status Quo has noticed that 9/11 was false flag, what do you think that means?  The military didn't notice, the intelligence services didn't notice.  Well, not except for a few very senior people who say "didn't happen that way".

Anyway, you are not focusing onthe prolem that is destroying the country, and you aren't because your rulers don't want you to.  The one thing the R side has right, 'Obama is trying to destroy the country'.  Just not for the reason you all think.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-the-weak-spot/

9/11 they can't hide. Anyone with a brain looked at the evidence, and anyone with a mind understands.

9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government

And you know it is true, because no one will argue with us.  You Israeli-Neocon supporters are destroyed in every argument in a forum like this.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:58 | 6891002 Kayman
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Islam today is where Christianity was during the Dark Ages. Wake me up when Muslims ignite the Islamic Reformation. Are we still drowning or burning witches ?  Are we past the Inquisition ? Heck, we've even stopped turning our heads away when priests are abusing our children.

Islam is still beheading people, stoning adulterers; and they only seem to want democracy to vote in an Islamic theocratic state.  Just like Hitler becoming elected, then legislating out democracy.

Trump might be a blunt instrument, but it is time to stop being PC.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:52 | 6892172 Ace006
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Why is DJT a blunt instrument? He made a simple statement about borders and bad trade deals and it went thru the political class like a samurai sword. 

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:23 | 6891149 orez65
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Islam is not a religion. It is a form of government that uses religion as IRS enforcement arm.

We opened the Pandora Box of Islam. We have to close it back.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:41 | 6891242 Hyjinx
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Islam is a sociopolitical system and not just a religion.  It is fundamentally incompatible with the West and it is time to cordon it.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 23:06 | 6891679 Tallest Skil
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Islam is not a religion. It is a cult of genocide.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 23:56 | 6891856 dogismycopilot
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Islam is a political ideology AND religious ideology that seeks to control all aspects of the lives of its followers, hence the name, "Islam" which translates to "submission".

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:21 | 6892099 Nostradumbass
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Freedom from terror is also a pillar of a free society - no? And if terror comes via a particular system of violence masquerading as a religion of people with NO similarities to the people of our traditional society, then Keep. Them. Out.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 08:33 | 6892560 Jeffersonian Liberal
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Yes, it is.

But a version of a religion that has at its base the enslavement or murder of those who will not convert to it is not a religion but a tyranny.

And no nation that has any plans or hopes to survive would knowingly let in such a tyranny that parasites off the freedoms of a Western nation not with the plan to live with other religions and to allow all of the freedoms we enjoy but with the ulterior goal of subverting that nation to bring it under its own sword.

I agree with Trump but only because "banning Muslims" is a subset of closing the borders entirely to all immigration both illegal and legal until we get our house in order and we flush from our culture the influence of the Frankfurt School, which was another group of "refugees" that we allowed into this country and who have targeted the US for subversive destruction.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:00 | 6890261 logicalman
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5 grams of heroin all at once should do it.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:02 | 6890271 83_vf_1100_c
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Insulting Allah in front of groups of imported Muslim men ought to do it.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:19 | 6890390 nmewn
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Yes, clearly Trump is the tall, white, third shooter they've been looking for.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 23:28 | 6891759 Herd Redirectio...
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https://youtu.be/2SNij3k_JJ4

Watch if you dare.  Not saying its correct about everything, because disinformation is so prevalent these days its very difficult to parse fact from fiction.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:29 | 6892114 FireBrander
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"Lol!  How the fuck do I get off this crazy carnival ride?"

Eventually, Trump will puke cotton candy and slurpies all over the other riders; then they'll stop the ride to throw him off and you can quietly exit yourself.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:45 | 6890927 Bangin7GramRocks
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That Trump sure is a Crusader huh?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 03:35 | 6892296 hesk
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Yes, ban all third worlders

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 08:46 | 6892606 Chris Dakota
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Jews pushed through the Open Immigration Act of 1965, gee wonder why they wanted third worlders here in America?

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:18 | 6890018 DetectiveStern
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Depends how deep their pockets are.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:33 | 6891525 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"If an American muslim is traveling in Europe or Asia or anywhere outside the US today and is scheduled to return to the US after his/her business trip, should they not be allowed back in tht US - repelled at customs and passport control?"~

Obama better not leave the USA after Trump gets this through Congress. He'll never make it back in.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:58 | 6891640 1033eruth
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That's not the gist of the point.  STOP IMPORTING ISLAM INTO THE US.  That is the point.  You're being disingenuous and dishonest with your "comparison".  

You would like to pretend that Islam isn't trying to assimilate other nations, by infiltrating, invading and then outbreeding the hosts.  That makes you unethical, unprincipled and in general a liar.   

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:36 | 6892374 Global Observer
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No country can refuse to take back its passport holders. Trump cannot refuse entry to US passport holding Muslims, any more than he can expel American Muslims. I think he just got carried away when saying no Muslims will be allowed to enter the US and said the same would apply to American Muslims abroad. If he wants, he can create special camps within the US (or US controlled foreign territories like Guantanamo Bay) to hold American Muslims, but can't refuse them entry. In fact, other countries have a right to deport Americans, Muslim or not, to the US. If the US refuses its obligations to its passport holders under international agreements, and refuses to let US passport holding Muslims to return to the US, other countries might simply refuse visa to any Americans, since there is no knowing who will not be let back into the US.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:12 | 6890696 Kirk2NCC1701
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And no more Alan Hu's Snackbar either.  

Rename it something patriotic, like Hillary's Snackbar.  Where they serve deep fried catfish and clams.

On second thought, I'm not sure which one sounds more scary.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:12 | 6889989 FreeMoney
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Finally someone running for office is willing to see and treat Islam as a nationality rather than a religeon.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 18:55 | 6890219 Buckaroo Banzai
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It's more of a political ideology than a nationality, but your point is well taken.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:10 | 6890331 Fed Supporter
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Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete theopolitical system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%

Australia — Muslim 1.5%

Canada — Muslim 1.9%

China — Muslim 1%-2%

Italy — Muslim 1.5%

Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%

Germany — Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%

Spain — Muslim 4%

Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France — Muslim 8%

Philippines — Muslim 5%

Sweden — Muslim 5%

Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is to convert the world & to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris, Sweden –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%

India — Muslim 13.4% (*note: India is currently at approx. 20%)

Israel — Muslim 16%

Kenya — Muslim 10%

Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%

Chad — Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%

Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%

Qatar — Muslim 77.5%

Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%

Egypt — Muslim 90%

Gaza — Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%

Iran — Muslim 98%

Iraq — Muslim 97%

Jordan — Muslim 92%

Morocco — Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan — Muslim 97%

Palestine — Muslim 99%

Syria — Muslim 90%

Tajikistan — Muslim 90%

Turkey — Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because now everybody is a Muslim. We know, however, that this isn’t true, is it.

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%

Somalia — Muslim 100%

Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the reality. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons...and they are coming to a neighborhood near you ...so keep thinking they are not going to harm you and they "accept" you.

Remember to vote wisely in 2016.

 

And it's a form of collectivism so leftists are sympatico. Correct. And since the Islamic state is not a religion, it has zero protections under our 1st Amendment. And can be legally discriminated against, same as Nazism.

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Mon, 12/07/2015 - 19:24 | 6890413 The Pope
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Sounds a bit like 'Zionism' (except the country representations are a bit jumbled)

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:46 | 6891269 Jerome Lester H...
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But then again everything sounds like Zionism to a certain segment of commenters here. I blame Zionism for the Chicago Cubs losing yet another playoff series...totally makes sense, no? C'mon you Stormfront members parading here...you know it does.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 15:43 | 6892846 1223pm
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oh man, just replace the word Muslim with the word Jew and forget the percentage, only a few hundred will do the trick.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 20:12 | 6890695 RickyJabbour
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Trump says "We gotta find out why they hate us so much."

Love it!!!!!

Good idea......yeah!!!!

Now why don't we talk about that??????? That would be some healthy discussion!!!!!

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Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:09 | 6891058 Dancing Disraeli
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They hate us because we're infidels and we're in the way.  See what Muslims did to Hindus in India, prior to Pakistan.  Hope this helps.

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:22 | 6891135 Never One Roach
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They're jealous of our dental care I thought?

 

But since Barry and Reggie aren't sure why they hate us, they're importing 100,000 moar!

 

"yes we can!"

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 01:35 | 6892139 FireBrander
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They hate us because we bathe daily, most of us anyway, and we don't stink like shit, most of us anyway...

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 22:38 | 6891540 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Trump says "We gotta find out why they hate us so much."

Love it!!!!!

Good idea......yeah!!!!

Now why don't we talk about that??????? That would be some healthy discussion!!!!!"~

Oh, I'll bet Trump knows exactly why they hate us. Remember, he's speaking to the masses. He's posing questions for them, not himself.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 05:55 | 6892388 Global Observer
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Trump is very clever in that respect. He is saying let us find out why they hate us. If it is something we can change, we will. If it is something we cannot or unwilling to change, we will simply have to make the ban permanent.

For example, if the US is hated for supporting Israel and Trump sees no particular use for US supporting Israel, US could stop supporting Israel.

If on the otherhand, they hate the USA for the majority of Americans not being Muslim (unlikely to be the case since Muslims don't seem to hate Switzerland despite she too having negligible Muslim population), it should be treated as hatred that cannot be addressed by the USA and for the safety of her citizens ban foreign Muslims' entry into the US on a permanent basis.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:41 | 6892855 1223pm
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"

Trump says "We gotta find out why they hate us so much."

Love it!!!!!

Good idea......yeah!!!!"

 

That's why I say a stupid friend is dangerous than a wise foe.

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