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Is It Time To Make Saudi Arabia Pay For Underwriting International Terrorism?

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In the wake of the carnage that left 14 dead and nearly two dozen injured at a San Bernardino holiday party last week, we learned that Tashfeen Malik - Syed Farook’s wife and female accomplice in the massacre - lived in Saudi Arabia for some 25 years after moving to the kingdom from Pakistan with her father. 

According to Malik’s uncle, one Javed Rabbani, Tashfeen’s father “changed a lot” when he moved to Saudi Arabia. "When relatives visited him, they would come back and tell us how conservative and hardline he had become" (read more here).

Needless to say, we weren’t surprised.

“Now clearly there are no smoking guns here, but it's worth noting that when it comes to radicalization, no one does it quite like the Saudis,” we said, the day after the attacks once the media revealed that Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia to marry Malik.

We continued: “Although we would urge caution when it comes to drawing conclusions around the sectarian divide, we'd be remiss if we didn't note that ISIS, al-Qaeda, and many of the other groups the public generally identifies with extremism, are Sunni and Saudi Arabia (where Farook allegedly found his wife) promotes puritanical Wahhabism.”

That echoes the sentiments of Kamel Daoud, a columnist for Quotidien d’Oran, and the author of “The Meursault Investigation” who, in a New York Times Op-ed published earlier this month, called Saudi Arabia “an ISIS that made it.” Here’s an excerpt:

Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.

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It now appears that the world may finally be waking up to what's going on. While it's undoubtedly important to understand the role the Saudis and Qatar have played in funding, arming, and training Sunni extremists across the region, it's perhaps even more critical that public begins to come to terms with the fact that it's the ideology Riyadh pushes that's perhaps more dangerous than anything else. Note that this isn't a comment on Islam or Muslims. It's a comment on the Saudi's brand of puritanical Islam that frankly, is poisonous. 

Here with some fresh commentary on all of the above and on why it's time for the US to reevaluate its relationship with Riyadh, is Politico. 

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From "Saudi Arabia Is Underwriting Terrorism. Let’s Start Making It Pay," by Charles Kenny as originally published in Politico

We don’t know yet what happened to San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik during her many years living in Saudi Arabia, or what her U.S.-born husband and accomplice, Syed Farook, might have experienced during his two recent visits to the country. But it isn’t news that Saudi Arabia, a supposed U.S. ally, has a long record of promoting religious extremism at home and exporting it abroad. According to a Reuters report, relatives of the Pakistani-born Malik say she and her father appeared to have become more radicalized during years they spent in Saudi Arabia. Between 1,500 and 2,500 Saudis have joined the fighting in Iraq and Syria in part thanks to the close relationship between the ideology of the Islamic State and of Saudi Wahabism. In the last month alone, Saudi Arabia has declared its intent to behead 50 people across the country and has threatened legal action against any who suggest beheading is “ISIS-like.”

For years since 9/11, U.S. and Western officials have mostly looked the other way at all this ideological support for extremism: Saudi oil was just too important to the global economy, even though many of these Saudi petro-dollars were underwriting repression at home and the growth of Salafist fundamentalism abroad. But today, two things have changed: first, the global cost of Saudi-backed extremism has continued to climb—with the rise of ISIS and Boko Haram, the bombings in Beirut and Paris and the shootings in San Bernardino.

The other factor that has changed is that there is no longer as much economic justification for America to kowtow to the Saudi regime. With Saudi Arabian dominance of the global oil market declining, and the United States moving itself closer to energy independence—and the deal to halt Iranian nuclear weapons technology moving ahead, neutralizing for the moment at least the threat of a Mideast arms race—there has never been a better time to reconsider America’s close relationship with the House of Saud.

It’s long past time, in other words, to make Saudi Arabia pay for its ideological support of extremism. The United States should be pressuring Saudi Arabia to reform and—if necessary—move on to targeted sanctions modeled on those the United States has applied to Russia, Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

Saudi Arabia, of course, denies that it is involved in underwriting extremism; it maintains, on the contrary, that it is part of the coalition against Islamic State and it has been a victim of extremist terror attacks. But the record of Saudi Arabia’s global support for extremists suggests it should be on the shortlist for inclusion on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list, at the least. 

This support for radicalism abroad should come as little surprise given that Islamic State is an ideological cousin of Saudi Arabia’s own state-sponsored extremist Wahhabi sect—which the country has spent more than $10 billion to promote worldwide through charitable organizations like the World Assembly of Muslim Youth. The country will continue to export extremism as long as it practices the same policies at home.

In fact, the country’s domestic human rights abuses are enough reason to impose sanctions alone. Venezuela is under U.S. sanctions at the moment for “erosion of human rights guarantees, persecution of political opponents, curtailment of press freedoms, use of violence and human rights violations.” It might be shorter to list the human rights Saudi Arabia upholds than those it abuses. 

Beyond the floggings and beheadings meted out to those who dare suggest reform, Saudi Arabia’s record on women is a sick form of gender apartheid. They are banned from obtaining a passport, marrying, traveling or going to college without the approval of their husband or other male guardian. 

Yet we haven’t really even started this discussion about Saudi Arabia in America. Indeed, the United States is still deeply implicated in Saudi Arabia’s abuses. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the U.S. exported $934 million in arms to Saudi Arabia from 2005 to 2009. From 2010 to 2014, it exported $2.4 billion more. This month, it approved another billion-dollar shipment. The U.S. provides training, shares intelligence and gives logistics support to Saudi Arabia’s military. And President Barack Obama rushed to Riyadh to pay obeisance to the country’s new king, Salman, early in 2015, only days after the death of his predecessor, Abdullah.

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In short, if the US wants to dial back the "crazy", Washington should consider the fact that despite incessant Ayatollah trolling, an admittedly insane judicial system, and valid charges that the Quds have, at times, engaged in acts that can only be described as "terrorism", the world would benefit from a little more of this...

... and a whole hell of a lot less of this...

 

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Tue, 12/08/2015 - 20:54 | 6896916 Baby Bladeface
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Yes, via regicide. Entire royal family line.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 20:55 | 6896935 johngaltfla
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Yup, and all their pet bitches who work for them in the Republican and Democratic Party inside the United States:

I am Sick and Tired of these Fucking Liberals
Tue, 12/08/2015 - 20:58 | 6896952 manofthenorth
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Way past time !

How about a little pay back for 9/11 !

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:04 | 6896982 nmewn
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Fifteen years too late.

There's no amount of money I would accept anyways, they can all rot in the hell they created for themselves as far as I'm concerned.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:11 | 6897033 sam i am
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Payback is not about money, it's about principles.

 

FIRStVIDEO: Russian submarines target ISIS in Syria from Mediterranean

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:14 | 6897054 Amish FinEng
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The House of Saud should be rewarded for holding fast to tradition in the face of Terrorist demands from the West!

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:41 | 6897204 Manthong
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Yes.

I think some heads should roll.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:48 | 6897233 Manthong
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There are some linked shrubs that should be trimmed here, too.

http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:50 | 6897244 Son of Loki
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Who will 'rendition' our peeples if we chastize SA?

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 03:14 | 6898210 Motasaurus
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Saudi Arabia lives because of London. It will die because of London.

I first began to wonder if the Saudi's were going to be offloaded as a tool no longer useful to a new age in March. Since then I have seen everything from the mainstream to the wildest "independent" media publishers increase the number of articles detailing Saudi crimes. 

I am now fully convinced that the house of Saud is going to be removed. Greater Israel requires it and, as we all know, Greater Israel also lives and dies at the word of London. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:16 | 6897333 nosam
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The house of Saud does as their boss the CIA tells them.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:31 | 6897151 nmewn
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Exactly right, there are some things in this world that are priceless. There is no excusing what "the kingdom" allowed a few of their princes to fund & get way with.

Now, if only Muhammad wouldn't have ever travelled with that Meccan caravan, things might have been different.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:52 | 6897250 greenskeeper carl
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The Saudis aren't doing anything without at least tacit approval from the us government. Same with that jerkoff presidents son in turkey. So, if we go with the assumption that all of this is being done with washingtons permission(or just omission - they pretend not to know) then id say we start there.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 23:24 | 6897413 nmewn
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Well, yeah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzMas1bVidw

...again, this time seven years too late.

But...it's a start!

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It was me, pointing out his little caravan trip, wasn't it? ;-)

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:29 | 6897057 TeamDepends
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How many barrels must a tired camel hump
Before it can drive a Mercedez?
And how many heads must an infidel lose
Before he can say what he please?
The answer my friend
Is blowin' in the wind

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:39 | 6897186 greenskeeper carl
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There is no need to enact revenge on the Saudis. Just stop supporting the royal family, especially with military equipment, and their heads will be on pikes inside of a couple years from their own peasants.

And it's funny about the 'puritanical' Saudis. A long time ago, I spent a good bit of time in Bahrain, and those guys would drive across the causeway from SA and stay in villas near me and party their asses off. They would drink copious amounts of alcohol, fuck Thai hookers like it was going out of style(probably little boys too, we always joked about what they did to the little Bangladeshi and paki teenagers who worked in the villas) and go to every bar in town and drop thousands on booze. More than one of them paid for all my shit before too. They would even leave us the rest of their booze when they left since they couldn't take it home with them. They may act all puritanical in Saudi Arabia, but outside of it they were full of shit. I don't know who all those guys were, but a few of them I saw had body guards with them so never drank anything but water or red bull. We always figured they were royal family.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:52 | 6897249 Ms No
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That sounds about right.  The reality may be that the royals are not religious at all they just know how to terrorize their own population into submission and other populations now too.  All these religious executions are most likely arbitrary murders for questioning the state or offending the royals in some way... and they probably enjoy killing people too.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:41 | 6897202 Rakshas
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Saudi reply to DC..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYiU_JCYtU

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:04 | 6896985 Socratic Dog
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So the evil Saudis underwrite terrorism.

What the fuck do you call it when your wedding party gets droned?  When the local school bus, full of kids, is droned?  When your mother and sister get droned while collecting firewood?  When 500,000 children starve to death courtesy of sanctions designed to curtail non-existent weapons of mass destruction?

If you want to eliminate terrorism, start in the USSA.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:11 | 6897029 atomicwasted
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Part of that start is not selling them weapons any more.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:13 | 6897044 MopWater
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As an American...this is true..and it pains me greatly that my government is engaged is such terrible, disgusting activities all for the benefit of a select few, and sold as the promise of the freedoms we enjoy.

The U.S. absolutly needs to stop meddling...

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 00:23 | 6897820 Dave
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The US absolutely needs a rebellion.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:47 | 6897139 RiverRoad
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Muslims built the Taj Mahal on the site of a Hindu temple which they had destroyed and razed.  Blowback is something they should understand.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:49 | 6897238 LasVegasDave
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Blowback is turning mecca into a glass parking lot during haj

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:31 | 6897147 WhackoWarner
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head chopping, women abuse, general crimes against living beings?  Shucks who gives a F if the Bush family is in bed with these "folks".  And likely many other prominent US wannabes.  Follow the money. Always follow the money.  And it is not money relating to national debts BUT private family money.

Questions start way before 911 but that is a good point.  Why were Saudi's allowed to fly out despite a ban in US? 

 

If there was anyone who was not bought and paid for or intimidated there should be a revelation/inquiry into Saudi relations.

 

But maybe Mr. Putin has the goods on all of this.  I am sure China does.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:40 | 6897198 WhackoWarner
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However I am also confident that should more info of garbage dealings and lies come out via Russia...there will be another attack to distract any truth. "Terror is a tool created and financed byUS?, City of London? Israel? OLD and OLD money that dates back centuries.  CIA is a tool.  Politics is a tool. Media is a tool.  Even the idiots like Obama/Clinton who think they have power are ony tools to be cast aside."

 

I truly think that when Russia showed absolute proof of Turkey/ISIS/Israel oil dealings...the idiots in San Bernadino were given the "greenlight" to GO.  Events happened so close and Russian proof went off the headlines within hours.

 

I think there are many more "greenlights" ready to go.  To distract away from any inconvenient truth being published.  There are just so many crimes hidden. 

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:50 | 6897243 WhackoWarner
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And further.  I believe there are "cells" already prepped in many countries to advance the fear.  This is not some independent, isolated attack (San Bernadino,  Paris).  Just waiting to the "greenlight" to go.  Anything to instill fear and distract from any opening of truth into any narrative.

San Bernadino just happened way to quickly after Russia laid out the oil game.  Within a few hours.  I do not think it was chance,

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 08:20 | 6898513 MSimon
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Islam used these methods to conquer Arabia and North Africa 1400 years ago. It is not a recent invention.

 

 

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 08:16 | 6898501 MSimon
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Bush? How about the Clintons and OH?Bummer! They buy all sides. And articles in the MSM? The best "news" money can buy.

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:05 | 6897297 The Saint
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So long as the Feds need the petro-dollar relationship to keep the dollar afloat the Saudis will be treated like our good buddies by the government.  Until the world gets off oil or we get our deficit spending under control the Saudis will be treated by Uncle Sam as our long lost buddies no matter how many Americans Saudi nationals kill.

I don't see either of those changing anytime soon.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 20:55 | 6896931 Kirk2NCC1701
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Time to nuke Riyadh.  Fuck you, Wahhabists!

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 20:58 | 6896955 Dinero D. Profit
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Israel's warmongering and genocide makes Saudi Arabia look like a piker.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:02 | 6896976 ThroxxOfVron
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Zionists and Salafists alike: degenerate offspring of the wife and child abusing criminal called Abraham.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:04 | 6896989 tmosley
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Samson option makes wiping them out difficult.

But yes, they should both pay.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:28 | 6897130 Savyindallas
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They don't need the samson option  -though total control of the Congress, Presidency through bribes, compromising sex scandals and unlimited money  -Israel and the International banksters who control the Deep State - own the US. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:06 | 6897004 Publicus_Reanimated
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So in your feeble mind "Israel does it more!" is exculpatory?  I know, it's a five-syllable word, but you can copy and paste and google the definition.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:17 | 6897071 Marco
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No, but their direct influence on US politics is almost inconsequential. The US branch of Likud can micromanage who the US bombs, Saudi Arabia has to rely on real politiks.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:49 | 6897131 auntiesocial
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The people that are seriously researching 9/11 aren't looking in caves... 

I want TRUMP 2016 for one reason only. So he can give Jesse Ventura an unlimited budget to properly investigate the Bush regime, err, I mean, 9/11. from top to freaking bottom. all the 28 redacted pages will show is Bandar Bush sent payments to the San Diego hijackers and their handlers... then you can start connecting dots from there. Who is the ally that would complete USA - SAUDI ARABIA and....... ? 

If you said Madagascar, you need your head examined....

furthermore, another thing that chaps my ass is that NIST got MORE MONEY to not investigate 9/11 and to NOT ALLOW PEER REVIEW than the 9/11 omission (commission) got for the ENTIRE INVESTIGATION. 

INSERT NOVEL.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:20 | 6897363 YHC-FTSE
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Agreed that these two sick cults should both pay for the crimes they have committed. The Saudi economy may be coming to an end already. As for Israel, they're untouchable whatever we say as long as large sections of the US elite support them. And they know it too.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 08:44 | 6898552 MSimon
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The elite couldn't pull it off without significant popular support.  It is just like : the NRA doesn't control American opinions on guns.

On top  of all that no one takes on such a popular liability (the antagonists of the supporters) without a net political, military, or economic gain. Based on what we know we get all three.  They design chips for Intel. They innovate military weapons. And they have a LOT of big money Americans behind them. Arab Armies generally don't f' with them. Even Hezbollah said of the most recent dust up, (roughly) "Had we known the outcome when we started we would never have started." And that was a war everyone thinks they won.

And you get (from attacks in the US) people going from thinking, "I don't get why the Israelis are so mean to the Palestinians" to "I get why the Israelis are so mean to the Palestinians".

 

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 20:59 | 6896960 Quasi
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Just have Trump bring up the Barbarous Kingdom in his next speech.  Have him run a few videos on the big screen of the executions of women by sword they have in the middle of the street.

Embarrass the shit out of the establishment who drone on and on about what terrorist do isn't "actually Islam".  That should blow Rubio, Cruz, Carson and the rest of the lightweights right out of the water.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:30 | 6897137 hotrod
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Yeah even Hillary is real tight with that Saudi money.  Saudi's make Clinton's USA war on women rhetoric look a bit ridiculous

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:48 | 6897504 Missing_Link
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Amen to that, Quasi ...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:01 | 6896966 ---------
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familiy united   so beatiful to watchsfsffffffffffffffffffffffbeeeeeeeeeee

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:01 | 6896969 LetThemEatRand
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It all comes down to the international bankers and oligarchs, who are in bed with the Saudis (and who include them).  The United States should stop doing business with Saudi Arabia, period.  This would require a lot of short-term pain for the general population, and a lot of long-term pain for the bankers and oligarchs, so it won't happen.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:27 | 6897118 Ignatius
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How about instead, the CIA throws the shitheads out of power rather than putting them in power as they do so regularly?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:30 | 6897142 LetThemEatRand
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Of course if the CIA really works for the shitheads in power behind the scenes (including those in SA), it all starts to make sense.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:34 | 6897170 Philo Beddoe
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Serious question, Rand. Are you a little shocked how quickly the world got this fucked up?  I am not sure what I welcom more..a reset..or a meltdown. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:56 | 6897257 LetThemEatRand
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I am shocked.  As a guy born in the mid-1960's, I enjoyed the last 20 years or so of what made America something to be cherished, in all of its imperfections.  Had you asked me when I graduated high school in 1984 if Orwell's fiction would actually come to pass, I would have said you're nuts.

In terms of what to hope for, I've stopped.  I think it either continues along the same path slowly for as long as I live, or there is a major meltdown and it gets a lot worse.  With total MSM control of the population, the NSA, and everything else, I just don't see a change for the better in my lifetime.  So I'm doing my best to get my ducks in a row hoping it's the slow burn for which I can at least prepare.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:07 | 6897303 Philo Beddoe
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Thanks for the reply. Hoping for the slow burn myself.  However, a part of me thinks that might be wishful thinking kicking in. 

FWIW, what really got to me what this entire NIRP concept. That was my WTF moment.  20 years ago I would have thought that to be impossible. Yet, here we are. 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:02 | 6896977 Normalcy Bias
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Not gonna happen as long as the Bathhouse Bower is in office...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:15 | 6897061 nmewn
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As we pointed out at the time, Presidents don't BOW AT THE WAIST to any other "dignitary", it's a handshake and perhaps a lean of the head as a courtesy.

He acted like a servant (instead of a President) for good reason.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:35 | 6897173 RiverRoad
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Glad someone else recalls that nose-to-the-ground bow Obama gave the Saudi sheiks; then not even a polite nod to the Queen of England....

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:21 | 6897367 LetThemEatRand
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It goes a long way back and transcends hatred of zero.  Remember W holding hands with the Saudi King?  http://www.resourcesforlife.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/20150119tu...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:18 | 6897082 Marco
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Why would a Shiite at the end of his term care about Saudi Arabia?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:37 | 6897181 nmewn
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Because Indonesia (where he attended a madrassa) is not majority Shia?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:51 | 6897247 RiverRoad
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You can take the boy out of the mosques but you can't take the mosques out of the boy.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 00:51 | 6897929 Dave
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Indonesia has it's own problems with Islamic radicals but not the Sunni vs Shia thing. I was working there when the Shia/Sunni fighting started in Iraq. I had an Indonesian engineer working for me who was a devout Muslim. I asked him what the deal was. He answered "we don't have Shia or Sunni here. We are all just Muslim." Also, as much as I detest Obummer, I have to question whether he attended a madrassa. Unless he is fluent in Bhasa Indonesian or Arabic, he didn't.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:04 | 6896986 Wm the Shrubber
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The shale fracking revolution, albeit uneconomically financed, should provide cover to allow us to kick these medieval barbarians to the curb.  Disown the house of Saud, leave the ME completely, let the Sunnis/Shia fight to the death, let Israel look after their own strategic interests, and refocus on problems/needs here at home.  It ain't that f*ckin' hard!

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:13 | 6897048 DeathMerchant
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Spot on!! If necessary, the feds should fund the shale extraction to continue the glut so we last longer than the bedsheet wearers do.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:17 | 6897063 Normalcy Bias
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I cannot figure out why keeping a healthy domestic oil production industry isn't a matter of National Security - It should be!

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:24 | 6897107 Savyindallas
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actually there is likely technology and natural resources for limitless, safe and almost free energy. And Energy companies and the Deep State know this. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:37 | 6897180 Normalcy Bias
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What, Fusion? That'd be one helluva joke they've been playing on the world if they already had it figured out.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 00:57 | 6897955 Dave
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Get real. What technology? Give me an example. Nicola Tesla's theory?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:04 | 6896988 Reaper
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What middle ground is between death to infidels/apostates and freedom to disbelieve.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:27 | 6897126 new game
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none, we have a problem we brought fwd with diasasterous foriegn policy. eventually the fuckers would expand and kill on foriegn soil. but wtf, deal with it or expect moar craziness. NIMBY, ha...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:05 | 6896993 WillyGroper
Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:06 | 6897001 jm
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We may be doing this already, but more likely it is Obama disconnecting from reality. 

Obama was cool with the Muslim Brotherhood killing non-muslims in Egyptas long they were elected to do it.  He has gone out of his way to treat al-Sisi like a villian when he ended the escalating rampage and locked up the head goons.  I may not agree with Islam, but al-Sisi protected life, which I do respect.

Obama offers his backside to Iran, whi si absolutely Saudi Arabia's arch-nemesis in the region.

I think the world is just standing by dumb-struck at how bad Obama has made the situation.

 

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 09:56 | 6898822 MSimon
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Worse than Jimmy Carter. And that takes very serious effort.

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:06 | 6897003 Crazy Or Not
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Our trusted UN Human Rights defenders.... 
They'd finance Donald Trump if their orders said so.
CIA Gophers one and all

Starter for $10:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/54...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:10 | 6897026 JamaicaJim
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Fuck the Saudis. A Fraud sham "Kingdom" to begin with.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:11 | 6897032 Sanity Bear
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for amusement, read about the life of Mohammad and compare it to the list of crimes and punishments under Islamic law

 

by his own rules he'd have no hands and no feet and what was left of him would be crucified

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:15 | 6897042 Philo Beddoe
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Did he fuck anybody up the ass while doing Jager shots? 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:19 | 6897354 e_goldstein
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Only his child bride.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:24 | 6897106 Sanity Bear
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LOL @ the butthurt spammers who are now downvoting all my posts

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:26 | 6897119 Philo Beddoe
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Fuck em. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:11 | 6897036 g'kar
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"Is It Time To Make Saudi Arabia Pay For Underwriting International Terrorism?"

 

this seems a bit hypocrytical unless you include a whole bunch of western governments doing the bidding of the international oligarchs/banksters behind the terrorism

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:11 | 6897037 atomicwasted
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Iran is like 1968 San Francisco compared to Saudi, especially for women.  

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:22 | 6897097 Marco
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A haven for transsexuals, free gender reassignment. Not so great for the gay guys, but hey it beats death.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:25 | 6897111 Sanity Bear
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it's long past time everyone stopped caring about what is and is not good for faggots

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:31 | 6897152 Philo Beddoe
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Got no problem with fags. I think the problem goes deeper. Pun intended. Much deeper.  I often wondered why are there so many fags and lezbos these days? Got a fag in the White House...one is running the Pink House in Canada.  I just bet real fags are wondering what the fuck is going on. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:50 | 6897514 besnook
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there was a poll recently conducted in england asking 18-25 year old men how they identified sexually. more than half did not name one gender or the other. i interpret it as the outing of the born that way meme. sex is sex. getting over the taboos is the most difficulty part.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:12 | 6897038 MFL8240
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This is the Bush families best friend.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:14 | 6897056 Jtrillian
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To know just how deep this rabbit hole goes see "The 28 Pages" on youtube.  Saudi Arabia is not an ally of the USA.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:16 | 6897060 harrybrown
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how the feck are people still stupid enough to blame 9/11 on the saudi's.... thats always been the long term get out clause ready made ( by Israel & USA) to let zionist Israel & the Mossad get away free again...."by deception thou shalt do war"

IT WAS THE BLOODY ZIONIST JEWS WHO DID 9/11 & Bush & Co wee wholey complicit

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:22 | 6897096 Savyindallas
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True, but the Saudis funded it  - all 3 should pay for this tragic act of murderous terrorism that has lead to millions more deaths. Heads need to roll  -yes, in the US also  -start with the perpetrators, the media and cowardly adademics who covered it up, as well as the compromised, criminal US Congress and presidents. The American sheeple need to bear their fair share of their blame for their ignorance, selfishness and stupidity. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:16 | 6897065 Grandad Grumps
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Globalism implies the destruction of the Saud.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:16 | 6897067 Captain Nukem
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I've said it before: US doctors kill over 95,000 people per year (270 per day) just from hospital acquired infections alone.

So you are far more likely to die at the hands of your "kind, caring" doctor than from any terrorist. Considering that the US pays a much larger fraction of its GDP for medical care than any other country, there is absolutely no excuse for this widespread negligent homicide.

In the US, a medical license is effectively a license to kill.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:23 | 6897102 ---------
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are they tankling about the plan of building 2000+ mosques in the usa in the next 10 yaers? thats a good plan!

i support muslim rapist mass immigration to the usa

we voted for islam - we get islam

thats our pride and tradition

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:25 | 6897114 Flying Wombat
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Is Islamic State now equipped with a NATO air force?

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=558267

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:27 | 6897129 Flying Wombat
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What Stinks in Saudi Ain’t the Camel Dung - F. William Engdahl

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=558212

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:36 | 6897154 Jack Burton
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Chechnya experienced a terrible war, part war to succeed from the new Russian Federation, part civil war between moderate islam and radical islam. Where did this really start? It began when the USSR fell and the new Russian Federation was founded. Saudi Arabia saw the opportunity and rushed into Chechnya and built a large new mosque, dedicated to the radical Saudi branch of Islam. Before long Chechen families began to be torn apart when younger muslims began to go to Saudi Arabia's new mosque. In short order this social split between the New Saudi Islam and the old moderate Islam broke out into violence.

The Saudis quickly called in the jihadists from all across the Middle East. What began as fighting of Chechen radical against the Russians and Moderate Muslims, soon became a world wide Islamic Jihad against all non followers of Saudi Arabian Islam.

You all know the war. It was two parts. First part Jihad threw back the Russians and established radical islam. Later a new and stronger moderate Islam allied with the Russian Federation to go back in and expunge the Saudi Jihadist army in Chechnya.

The rest is history. The moderates and Russian smashed the Saudis and their Jihad army. truely smashed them. After victory the Chechen state was rebuilt as were the mosques. The Saudi mosque was razed to the ground. A new mega mosque was built in the capital. Moderate Islam is a state religion and protected. The Islamists who run Chechnya are ready to kill Saudi Jihadists where ever and when ever they sneak into Chechnya.

The whole war was caused by Saudi Arabia looking to capture Chechnya for radical Saudi Islam. They were defeated and killed. They are not happy, they want revenge, but the Islamic leaders of Chechnya are too strong, whenever Saudis sneak in to cause trouble, they are hunted down like dogs and killed.

Saudi Arabia is the home base of Radical Islam. America is deeply allied with Saudi. That makes you wonder what Washington really is up to!

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:42 | 6897208 RiverRoad
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Wonder?  Actions/inaction speaks louder than words.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:39 | 6897461 Freddie
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I wish Ramzan Kadyrov (Chechen leader who loves Putin) would send some fighters to take care of those Turks in N Syria and also in Iraq.  He said he would send Russia 20,000 fighters anytime and anywhere Putin asks.

The Georgians started that garbage with South Ossetia (sp?).  Russia responded.  The Chechen send a few hundred men in a brigade or so to also help out.  When the Georgians found out who was coming to the party,  they shit in their pants and fled like children. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:36 | 6897174 Amused2Death
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What most people don't understand is the interwined and equal relationship between the house of Saud and the Wahabi clergy, each is dependent on the other to exist, you can't get rid of one without the other. You can't demand reform from the Saudis, they're incapable of reform, you either put up with the status quo or the whole kingdom collapses into complete chaos and that can't be good for oil and gas dependent western countries.  The politicians know this, the intelligence agencies know this, it's just they have chosen to look the other way because the flow of oil has been more important, up to this point, than the export of terrorism.  Not sure they can continue to look the other way much longer...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:39 | 6897188 PrezTrump
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The Saudi's are part of the end game...

we've got a few years to go at the very least...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 21:46 | 6897223 Herodotus
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Looka like ISIL or Saudi law would be just what the doctor ordered for a place like Detroit. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:13 | 6897320 Freddie
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Saudi Arabia - getting their asses kicked in Yemen by one cooked of M1 Abrams or M60 at a time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0nDHV_mkiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXAbH0XBhRU

Note they Houthi are using old 1970s era anti-tank missiles.  Some of them old Soviet stuff or copies of the 1970s era USSR stuff.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 22:55 | 6897524 besnook
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so the bottom half of the class is to buy the evil turks and saudi meme while the usa bombs the syrian army by "accident" in an oil rich area in support of those evil, backed by the saudis and turks, isis fundies.

there is no hope. the bottom half of the class wins at the will of .gov.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 23:04 | 6897564 Totentänzerlied
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KSA: "Simply stop buying our oil. Your move."

End of story.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 23:43 | 6897679 onmail1
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Criminal regime of wahhabi Sauds are funding & protecting all terrorists (with the blessing of satan america)

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 00:54 | 6897941 anti-republocrat
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Unfortunately, the author assumes the power elite in the West cares about the security of the people of the West.  The proof is that the policy of supporting terrorists as a means of regime change has resulted in more terrorism in the West, but still continues.  There are now reports of US warplanes bombing Syrian army units engaged with ISIS near Deir Ez-Zoud:  http://thesaker.is/international-military-review-syria-iraq-battlespace/ 

The interestes of the power elite are dominated by the institutional imperatives of the MIC: 

1) profits for arms manufacturers and other military contractors, 2) career enhancement for military brass, civilian employees of the CIA, Pentagon, State Department, and militarist thinktanks, 3) attendant high paying jobs guaranteed by ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) for “US persons” that keep those employees loyal to the system, 4) pork for politicians and 5) blockbuster movies and sensational headlines to sell media (and also to contribute to the necessary fear and jingoism).

Measured against these institutional imperatives, our policies are a smashing success and will be continued.  Our leaders are not insane, just depraved.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 01:16 | 6898006 David Wooten
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Pulling the plug on the Saudis (or anyone 'we' have been committed to for years) will not be easy.  Relationships between military/foreign policy/economic policy bureaucrats and their Saudi counterparts have to be broken. The parties will resist - but it must be done.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 01:35 | 6898042 surf@jm
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Yeah, right......I`m sure Obama will take real meaningful action against the Saudi`s, while he`s literally busy bowing down to their leadership......Between the Clinton foundations pay to play bribery, and marxocrat campaign committees needing their payola from foriegn donors, you can expect real change in the sucking up for cash of our ruling elite....not!.........LMAO!.......

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 02:01 | 6898108 DFCtomm
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You mean the Musaud royal family?

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 03:54 | 6898251 Kprime
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Is It Time To Make The United States Pay For Underwriting International Terrorism?

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 21:17 | 6899438 Moccasin
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The Wahhabi and most Saudi Arabians think we are all infidels who should be executed. Yet, we are told by our government that they are our friends, great American allies. The US government/syndicate is supporting our total demise. The cabal has created its proxy armies and proxy wars are born, alive and well. The American military industrial war complex is out of control robbing the nation of any future peace.

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