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6 Of 8 Trump Supporters Stand Behind Muslim Travel Ban; Muslims Furious

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Yesterday's stunning announcement by Donald Trump calling for a "total and complete" shutdown of Muslims entering the US (even US citizens), has unleashed a media frenzy across both the political and media world, and proven the real estate tycoon still has the capacity to not only shock but to serve as Obama's political foil at every turn.

Furthermore, as Trump acknowledged Monday during a raucous South Carolina rally, his call for barring all Muslim foreigners from entering the United States is "probably not politically correct." But as CNN reported earlier, he had three words for his critics: "I don't care."

Perhaps just as surprising, is that as he usually does, Trump once again managed to do what he has done so well during his campaign process - strike a chord with a prevailing undercurrent of what Trump admits is politically incorrect sentiment within US society. And if his South Carolina rally was any indication, that support will stick.

The reason: six of eight Trump supporters at the rally who spoke with CNN said they supported the Muslim travel ban, which has drawn swift criticism from other Republican and Democratic presidential contenders alike who slammed the proposal as contrary to American values of religious tolerance. And the two supporters at the rally who disagreed said they were still likely to vote for Trump.

"I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can't identify what their attitude is," said 75-year-old Charlie Marzka of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Marzka explained that he believes Islam "allows for the killing of people" and said he thinks Muslim culture "is absolutely contrary to our culture."

Trump explained Monday on Fox News that his proposal would not apply to Muslim Americans and Muslims already living legally in the United States.

"It does not apply to people living in the country, except we have to be vigilant," Trump said on Fox News moments before he took the stage in South Carolina.

Far from backtracking, however, Trump warned supporters that without his controversial proposals - which in addition to banning Muslim immigrants includes surveilling and potentially shutting down mosques - the U.S. could face another deadly attack on the scale of 9/11.

"We're gonna have to figure it out, we can't live like this. It's going to get worse and worse, we're going to have more World Trade Centers. It's going to get worse and worse, folks. We can be politically correct and we can be stupid but it's going to be worse and worse," Trump added.

And that approach is why three-quarters of snap polled rally participants agreed with Trump even if one protester's voice - one of five protester interruptions on Monday night - broke through the cheers. "This is racist bullshit," he chanted.

So as Trump rallies his core base, his approval rating among the Muslim population will be a solid zero.

The Associated Press asked Muslims around the world for their thoughts on his proposal. This is what a random sampling of them thought:

AYA, a 22-year-old college graduate in Cairo who declined to give her full name for fear of alienating her family:"

"I was born to Muslim parents and wore the veil at a young age. Now I am an atheist, but I can't tell anyone or take it off because they will probably kill me. My question to Donald Trump is: How do you know the Muslim you are banning is actually Muslim? Don't you think an extremist can fake denounce Islam and enter as a Christian or an atheist and still blow up your country? This is not how you fight terrorism; this is how you fan it."

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BASSEM YOUSSEF, former talk show host known as the Jon Stewart of the Middle East:

(On Twitter) "I didn't know Donald Trump was fluent in Nazi."

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TAREQ, 22-year-old college student in Cairo

"I don't pray. I drink. I try to sleep around. All my friends do. I am about as Muslim as (Trump) is. Ban Muslims? Does he have any idea how many Muslims are just Muslims on paper?"

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YARA FARIS, 23-year-old journalist in the West Bank. She hopes to study international journalism at Columbia University:

"The U.S. will always be the best place to study, and I don't think the U.S. would deny Muslims entry just because they are Muslims."

"I see Trump as a crazy man. He always gives crazy statements and recently I read a report that shows that 60 percent of Trump's statements were based on wrong information."

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USAMA SALLAH, prominent Palestinian businessman in Jerusalem who lived in the U.S. for 14 years

"I think that these statements are a shame. This is not the United States that I knew, and I'm sure that the majority of the Americans don't agree with it because it doesn't represent American values."

"I will continue to visit the United States whenever possible because I know that America is a great country in which there is no place for such racist opinions. And for those who agree with him, I ask: How would you feel if Arab and Muslim countries decided to ban Americans from entering them?"

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AHMED JALAJEL, Palestinian journalist in east Jerusalem who visited the U.S. last year as part of a State Department-sponsored program:

"I'm sure that what I heard from Trump doesn't represent the United States. In America, I have seen a democratic country, nice people who love life, a great country that is ready to receive people from all over the world and a country of great values that Trump certainly doesn't represent."

"As a Muslim, I don't think that Trump represents the United States; he only represents himself."

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SAM BAHOUR, a Palestinian-American business consultant who moved from Youngstown, Ohio, to Ramallah, West Bank, in the 1990s, called the comments "disgraceful" and "absurd."

"The backlash is going to be against Muslims. The Muslim community understands the inherent racism in some pockets of U.S. political life."

"This makes the melting pot not melt at the end of the day."

Bahour said relatives in the U.S. have been telling him "how they are hearing comments in the street, supermarkets, really racist comments. It's not going to be the same being a Muslim in America, even once this passes."

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AZIZA YOUSEF, a computer science professor at King Saud University in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia:

"He's racist... I think Trump is representing himself. I don't think he represents Americans."

"Why is it that when there are crazy people who happen to be Muslim, they blame all Muslims? I will not be responsible for someone who commits a crime who happens to be a Muslim. I will not defend myself or defend Islam because a guy or person who happens to be Muslim did something stupid."

Yousef is traveling to her vacation home in Virginia this weekend with her children and grandchildren as she does every year.

"I spend a lot of money there three to four months out of the year. Muslim tourists and those that live there as students help the economy of the United States."

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SOMCHAI JEWANGMA, an officer with Thailand's Sheikhul Islam Office, which governs the country's Muslims:

"I don't think that can ever be done. The United States has economic ties with Islamic countries and there are millions of Muslim people in America. This is just a policy to please those who don't like Muslims and to gain more support."

"It's true that there are Muslim extremists, those who don't have good intentions for Islam. But there are 1.7 billion Muslim people in the world. If we were all bad, then the world would be uninhabitable."

Somchai also said entry rules already have become stricter: "When I applied for a U.S. visa, I was inspected for months."

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AZRA KHAN, president of the Canberra Islamic Center in Australia, said Trump's proposal is the wrong way to address last week's attack in San Bernardino, California, in which a Muslim couple killed 14 people:

"Clearly Donald Trump is trying to inflame the situation. Clearly this tragedy is not about Muslims."

"He could better improve the situation if he were to say, 'Let the U.S. take guns more seriously and ban them.' That one simple solution would be much more suitable and make the streets of America far safer."

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NUR JAZLAN MOHAMAD, Malaysian deputy home minister, said the proposal is not aligned with America's image as tolerant and democratic, and could play into the Islamic State group's hands by alienating Muslims who are already in the U.S."

"His proposal reflects the thinking of many people in America, and this is worrying."

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KEYSAR TRAD, the chairman of the Sydney-based Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said Trump's statement reflected political desperation.

"Donald Trump's statement is a desperate statement by a desperate man who knows that he's clutching at straws and has no chance of winning the election. So he's trying to win it off the back of the Islamophobia industry."

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AMIDAN SHABERAH, the chairman of the Indonesian Council of Ulemas, an influential clerics' organization, said Trump's comments were a "big, big mistake."

"He should not turn a blind eye to the fact that most of Muslims in the world strongly condemned any kind of extremism and radicalism in the name of Islam and our hearts and prayers go out to all victims of terrorism regardless of their faith."

"Trump's statement clearly shows us that Western society has a phobia against Islam, that people cannot distinguish between Islam and terrorist acts that rejected by mainstream Muslims."

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IKEBAL PATEL, former president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils:

"He's trying to alienate not only the Muslim population of the United States but all the Muslims around the world.

"Nobody in their right mind would in any way condone what has just happened with those two individuals in that town, but to condemn in one fell swoop all the Muslims and to try to suggest that Muslims shouldn't be allowed in America is quite ridiculous."

 

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Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:13 | 6892704 nmewn
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Fort Hood.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:19 | 6892721 VinceFostersGhost
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Muslims Furious

 

Screw'em if they can't take a joke.

 

You could have handled the problem when you had the chance.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:21 | 6892738 Took Red Pill
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maybe they hate us because we've been bombing the shit out of them for years?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:27 | 6892772 VinceFostersGhost
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Well, they been behaving badly for hundreds if not thousands of years.

 

This is not exactly something new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:33 | 6892807 Leopold B. Scotch
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This just in: Civilizations attempt to conquer other civilizations that they deem lesser.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:42 | 6892864 pods
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So we have found our Chancellor Sutler, now all we need is Creedy and a whopping dose of the St. Mary's virus.

Long Viadoxic Pharmaceuticals.

pods

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:47 | 6892904 knukles
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Why Just Stop at Stopping Muzzies?
Stop Everybody for a While
We got a bazillion unemployed Americans and all the job growth since 2008's been foreigners!
                                    Some people don't want a job, lots of others can't find one and have serious self-esteem problems instead of productive lives which they'd prefer

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:53 | 6892915 Manthong
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Can anybody out there tell me anything significant muslims have done in the US except build a bunch of mosques, conduct some terror attacks, refuse to drive cabs to a liquor store, crash airplanes into buildings and invest big bucks with the Bush family?

http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9332a94e035f4e218960069fd0cc7e62/muslims-around-world-decry-trumps-proposal-keep-them-out

and another.. crash the US oil and gas business.

One more.. produce a war criminal, Constitution subverting POTUS putz with a secret history and fraudulent credentials currently called Barak.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:56 | 6892990 Keyser
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Time to put the impedance on the practitioners of Islam to police their own... You have radicals in your ranks, you clean them up.. Until them, no entry... Pretty simple really, ask any drill instructor... 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:58 | 6892998 Harlequin001
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It's really not that difficult. Stop waging war in Muslim lands, stop bombing killing and maiming their women and children, stop destroying their businesses and they will have no need to come and get you, and no good reason either.

Surely this guy, who would be president, can work it out.

If he can't grasp even that basic concept then you really are all truly fucked.

and deservedly so. This will cost you the lives of your children.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:04 | 6893028 The Juggernaut
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We should put the Muslims in FEMA camps!  Right, you fucking idiots?

 

All religions have blood on their hands.  The Catholic Curch molesting children... wtf, wake up.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:12 | 6893075 zuuma
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Carter  - muslims hate America. Jihad declared
Reagan  - muslims REALLY hate America. Jihad declared
Bush 1  - muslims REALLY, REALLY hate America. Jihad declared
Clinton - muslims REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hate America. Jihad declared
Bush 2  - muslims REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hate America. Jihad declared
Obama   - muslims REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hate America. Jihad declared
??????  - muslims REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hate America. Jihad declared

muslims. Hate. America.

But they sure wanna come here. 

Why?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:16 | 6893088 Manthong
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“We should put the Muslims in FEMA camps!  Right, you fucking idiots?

All religions have blood on their hands.  The Catholic Curch molesting children... wtf, wake up.”

WTF has that got  to do with the price of cheese?

We are talking about a clear and present danger (except for the FEMA bunk already reserved for us all).

Please.. any one of you down-voters, just start naming the contributions…

Or do you just want the country to be a collection of enclaves of segregated nationalities that vote Democratic?

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:43 | 6893241 FreeMoney
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Islam is incompatible with western values period.  Why?  Because it is an entire system of government intertwined with a religion, with the intent to overthrow any other government.  

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:04 | 6893348 americhinaman
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Is this statement true or false?  Islam is the only major world religion whose most steadfast followers would choose violence in response to Trump's proposal.

From what I understand, it is a true statement.  As un-American as Trump's proposal sounds, it is less un-American than the alternative which is to do nothing and change nothing (domestically at least) and allow more of the same to continue to happen.

Abroad, I do think it would help if we stopped bombing so many innocent civilians in our politically-motivated wars and non-war bombings.  But we still need to do something about the home front.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:11 | 6893395 Utah_Get_Me_2
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"I will continue to visit the United States whenever possible because I know that America is a great country in which there is no place for such racist opinions. And for those who agree with him, I ask: How would you feel if Arab and Muslim countries decided to ban Americans from entering them?"

A. There is a place for racist opinions just look at the Black Lives Matter movement and marxist professors pushing white privalege garbage across the country ohh and that little thing called the First Amendment.

B. The majority of Americans have absolutely no desire to visit Saudi Arabia et al.. because being put in a burlap sack and thrown off a cliff for drinking alcohol doesn't sound like my idea of a fun vacation. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:22 | 6893468 1223pm
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any statement about religion or Islam regarding current world situation is complete ignorance and misleading. what ever is happening in the world right now is nothing but bankers war and stealing energy resources. demonizing Muslim is only because it provide banker an idiot's support to steal energy resources.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:41 | 6893617 Utah_Get_Me_2
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That is obvious. That doesn't change the fact that the stone aged, goat herders that call themselves 'Princes' and our government bafflingly calls 'allies' finance and spread the dominant sect of Islam which is wholly incompatible with the Constitution and true Western values, not the Luciferian bankster values. If Muslims had their way the 'tolerance' and 'acceptance' we are all lectured to have towards Muslims would not be reciprocated and your 13 year old daughter would be wearing a burka to school, assuming they allowed her to read books.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:24 | 6893933 Manthong
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I want to crowd fund a trip for a group of us Catholics to go to the Haaj in Mecca, set up a tent and pray to Jesus inside.

They will welcome us with open arms, right?

Who’s in?

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:38 | 6894058 Utah_Get_Me_2
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I think we should do that but set up a game of live action role playing (LARPing) and dress up as wizard and warlocks.. the Saudis love sorcery..

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/saudi-arabia-set-to-execute-sooth...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:39 | 6894066 Max Hunter
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6 of 8...  well that's almost as much as 3 out of 4.. Damn near 75%

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:17 | 6894315 wombats
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Where were all those "moderate" muslims after the Paris, San Bernadino attacks?  How many of them were out condemning and protesting against "radical jihadis"?  All I remember is a deafening silence.

Why do they only now say that most muslims do not support terrorism?  Could it be that they really don't oppose what was done?  Could it be that they know that killing infidels really is what their religion is all about, even if they didn't personally pull the trigger?

What are they doing to remove "radicals" from their midst?

Why should any country allow more muslims to enter when they know that acts such as Paris and San Bernadino are as inevitable as sunrise and sunset?

When will westerners finally realize that they love our money (to the extent it still exists) but that they really do hate us?

Please show me the Muslim countries that actually welcome Christians, Jews and their churches and synogogues.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 15:38 | 6895242 NidStyles
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Of course they support the acts, look at the posts above where everyone simply ignores that they have openly delcared war on the west. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 15:39 | 6895257 1223pm
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""Where were all those "moderate" muslims after the Paris, San Bernadino attacks? "

 

Where were all those "moderate" christian and jews when Iraq was bombed indiscriminately based on the leader of free world's  blunt lies. If these moderate free world leaders can kill millions on lies, what is worth a few dead in Paris for them.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 00:04 | 6897764 HopefulCynic
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Hahahaha I beleive you have your cables a little twisted. Iraq was a farce no doubt, but it was never a religius war or an action against a religious country. Islamic Terrorism is done by religius zealots. So your comparison would be better if you were to write.

 

Where were all those "moderate" Americans and Brits when Iraq was bombed indiscriminately based on the leader of free world's  blunt lies. If these moderate free world leaders can kill millions on lies, what is worth a few dead in Paris for them."

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:19 | 6894310 Nobody For President
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Why is the basic statement of Trump's 'racist'? 

I mean, Muslim is supposedly a RELIGION, not a race, yet most of the comments quoted in the article use the term 'racist'.

WTF? I'm serious, why the hell is a tie or a reference to a person's RELIGION racist?

Race is about race, religion is not. I'm sure there are muslims that are part of every ethnic group on the planet, as well as Christians, Buddhists, and every other major religion has lfollower of every race. Race has nothing to do with religious preference, per se, yet over an over again anti-muslim statements are called racist.

I call bullshit.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 14:38 | 6894875 N2OJoe
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Because the charge of Racism is the highest and most dire accusation that can be levied by the High Priests of Government and Media. People are conditioned to accept that anyone being affixed with that label is utterly evil and contempable.

To invent a new word would sidestep people's programmed response, and TPTB are so desperate right now to destroy this growing threat, that they don't have time to reprogram the Public Propaganda camps, which are locally known as "Schools," with a new trigger word.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:20 | 6893130 J Jason Djfmam
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What came before Carter?

Oil shortage.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:01 | 6893334 HellFish
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Jihad?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:24 | 6893148 Tejano
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All Abrahamic religions have blood on their hands.

 

Fixed that one for ya'.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:34 | 6894465 gm_general
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No religions have blood on their hands, because religions don't have hands. People do. Of course people in their imagination come up with excuses that "make" them do terrible things, but it was their defective heads that did it, not some kooky book or such. What if I said "hey go shoot up this place!" would you do that because I said so? I don't think so, its because you decided on your own to do it. Judge people by their actions only.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 00:06 | 6897771 HopefulCynic
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Even Shintoism has been misinterpreted and has produced deaths and mayhem, and don't even start talking about Lamas and Buddhists because they are not clean either. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:16 | 6893104 nmewn
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So by stop waging war in Muslim lands, you mean like Russia should stop waging war or Boko Haram or what? 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:23 | 6893144 Manthong
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If all the non-muslims on the planet were to magically disappear, the muslims would still be killing each other en masse.. it is the nature of that cult.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:26 | 6893162 nmewn
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The historical record speaks for itself.

A state, masquerading as a religion, to gain control and wealth.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:00 | 6893333 Charles Wilson
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Flavius Constantinus Heraclius, Roman Caesar, makes an agreement with the eastern tribes to strengthen his empire.  In a few years, he's gone but his Caesarism continues.

 

You are absolutely correct.  It was a Roman Invention.  The Poster above talks about the "Abrahamic Religions" having blood on their hands.  YES.  They had help in the Courts of the Roman Caesars.

What, a god couldn't get it right in 3 tries in 600 years?  'N the current version allows one to lie, cheat, steal and murder if it can be justified by the excuse, "I did it to bring converts into the fold..."

 

No.  Enough.  If you worship Caesar, worship Caesar and if someone objects, you had better realize that "Convert or Die" is taken seriously and there will be pushback.

I don't want to worship a dead Roman Caesar.

 

Great Post, nmewn.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:44 | 6894549 BarkingCat
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>>>>'N the current version allows one to lie, cheat, steal and murder <<<<<

Do you refer to Judaism or Islam??
That is a feature of both.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 15:18 | 6895131 Charles Wilson
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Stop!

 

I'm not looking to set up a "WINNER!" here.  You want to discuss Vespasian (The Father), Titus (The Son) and Domitian (The Holy Spirit)?  I can give you chapter and verse.  Herod, in his last speech, tells of besting the Hasmoneans, who ruled for 125 years.  "I did more than they did in 125 years of rule..."  Well, great, Herod.  Just swell.  Now go die.  The Hasmoneans were a threat to Rome and paid the price of that objection.

You want to find God?  OK.  Fine.  Just don't try to force me to worship a false god or a dead Roman Caesar.  The Romans were faced with this: "How can we make the Jews worship Caesar without them knowing it?" (See: Setting up statues of Caesar in the Temple).  They road graded Jerusalem and set up a "Prophet of Peace" by rewriting a Jewish Story concerned with the Priesthood and created a character that supposedly transcended Hasmonean Judaism and replaced it with Rabinnical Judaism.  "You will live with the Romans when you change the focus from Messianic Judaism to Studies on "How to be good" in this world...".

Again, I've got it in chapter and verse.  You can hate any of 'em if you want (I'm not saying that you do...).  The Poster stated a set of Facts about Abrahamic Relligions and he is CORRECT.  No arguments on those statements.  It's just that the last 2 religions that were created were aided  directly by Roman creations as well. 

 

It's CAESARISM to demand that you must be ready to give your life for your Caesar.  That's where we are right now.  We've seen it before and we are seeing it again.  Engage a Caesar worshipper at your peril.  They worship Caesar and they don't even know it.  That's the history and it's there for all to see.  You don't need to declare a "So's yer ol' man" winner here.  Make the break.  That's where we are in the here and now.  Understand it.

 

CW

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:51 | 6893283 Bush Baby
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Meanwhile Bush's campaign has previously stated that only Christian Syrians should be allowed in.

Isn't that the same as saying NO MUSLIMS ?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:22 | 6893462 Buckaroo Banzai
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Ha ha, you mean Jeb "Low Energy" Bush? Jeb "Beta Cuck Fag" Bush?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:48 | 6893272 McCormick No. 9
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"It's really not that difficult. Stop waging war in Muslim lands, stop bombing killing and maiming their women and children, stop destroying their businesses and they will have no need to come and get you, and no good reason either."

The fact you've been overjunked on this statement shows WHy we're still doing stupid shit in the ME. Oh, that and pervasive Zionist propaganda.

Ron Paul was right. As are you.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:11 | 6893388 N2OJoe
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Ever hear of the Barbary Coast pirates? Muzzies have been doing this for centuries and nothing has changed. We should not be "Nation building" anywhere in the world, for sure, but stopping those actions (as I agree we should, for other reasons) will not stop an ancient death cult from continuing with their barbarous actions.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:23 | 6893476 nmewn
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Yes. That and their raiding & trading of African slaves (and European slaves along the Mediterranean coast) which every American high schooler knows was only done by de eeebil white man ;-)

(Sigh)

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:44 | 6893645 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, Allah has told them they were all infidels. Nothing like a Devine Blessing to allow some good old raping,pillaging and gaining slaves. Then you got the Shiite/Sunni tribal gig when things get too damn peaceful.

You know, I think this all comes from not having a sense of humor and the ability to laugh at oneself. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:28 | 6893983 knukles
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That and a weak God who is in need of his followers protections from non-believers.
Now, that's fucked-up; a God needing men's protections.  Sounds more like the politics of a Theocracy.
                 Theocracy.... A political, social and economic system governed under the "laws" of a God created by Man

                        Yes, we are at war with that system.  Amazing how our liberal friends who eschew religion in America, believing in No God, run to the defense of a God based system.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:56 | 6894631 Miffed Microbio...
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The problem is people believe there are rational solutions to a problem that has roots in fanaticism. At some point people should understand this has come to personal survival. You really have limited negotiating power with a mountain lion. It's sad we have become so divorced from nature we can't appreciate its simplicity.

Miffed

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:46 | 6893663 Buckaroo Banzai
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Here are two big problems with the "We bombed them into becoming terrorists" argument:

(1) Muslims have been perpetrating terror on each other and everyone around them for 1400 years. It's simply historical fact. So clearly they are predisposed to the behavior.

(2) Everyone assumes that every single person in the Middle East is a Muslim. That is entirely wrong (or at least it was until literally this year). There have been substantial minorities of other religions all over the middle east. Let's look at Christians in Iraq:

"In Iraq, Christians numbered about 1,500,000 in 2003, representing just over 6% of the population of the country down from 12% on 1947 in a population of 4.7 million. They numbered over 1.4 million in 1987 or 8% of the population. After the Iraq War, it was estimated that the number of Christians in Iraq had dropped to as low as 450,000 by 2013 — with estimates as low as 200,000. The most widely followed denomination among Assyrian Christians in Iraq is the Chaldean Catholic Church (not to be confused with ancient Chaldea), which broke from the Assyrian church of the East in 1681 AD."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq

So, thanks to the US invasion of Iraq, nearly 70% of the Christian population there has been killed or driven out. Over 1 million gone or displaced, and yet not A SINGLE SOLITARY CHRISTIAN IRAQI TERRORIST.

It's almost like we accidentally conducted a scientific experiment to determine the behavioral differences between Muslims and other religions: We invaded and bombed a country full of people with different religions, and yet ONLY the Muslims became terrorists. 100% of the terrorists are Muslim! Not 90%, not 99%, not even 99.999%!

Bombing doesn't cause terrorism; being Muslim causes terrorism.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:01 | 6893766 Harlequin001
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I got as far as your first paragraph and decided it was all bullshit.

Won't waste my time with the rest.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:11 | 6894265 Buckaroo Banzai
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The only thing worse than being ignorant, is being willfully ignorant.

Sorry you are like that. It's one of the reasons why our country is in the mess it's in.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:26 | 6894390 wombats
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+1000 BB.  Spot on.  I wish others would take the time to see and learn.  Keep up the good work.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:47 | 6894571 Harlequin001
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enter the arse lickers...

FFS

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:26 | 6894392 Harlequin001
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One of the more difficult aspects of the internet is sifting through the bullshit.

There just simply aren't enough hours in the day to read drivel you know to be crap.

Do you really think I want to enlighten myself with this rubbish just because you post it?

better things to do dude, better things to do...

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 00:12 | 6897786 HopefulCynic
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Please don't ever change your avatar, I am good with images bad with names. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:23 | 6894356 FrankDrakman
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It's not that I disagree with you about bombing women and children (and innocent men, as well).

However, if you think that Muslim appetite for conquest and terror STARTED with oil, you are completely ignorant of history.

The Muslims conquered most of North Africa in the 600's, and turned their eyes to Spain. They had significant gains, until Charles Martel ('Charles the Hammer') defeated them at Tours, and then drove them out of Europe. It was FORCE that rid us of their backward religion.

Now, there was no oil in Indonesia and Malaysia (at least, no one careda about it) during the 1200-1600's, but the Muslims came there and conquered the territory. They established a beach hold in the southern Philippines - again, no oil, no bombing of innocents - and have used that as a base for terror in that 95% Catholic country so they could have their own 'autonomous' state in Mindinao, even though the majority of people on that island are Christian.

Simply put, Islam does not co-exist peaceably with ANY religion. Wherever there is Islam and another religion (Chechnya, Malaysia, Philippines, W. Europe, Africa, etc. etc. ), there is strife, ALL OF IT STARTED BY THE MUSLIMS.

Like any group that uses force, it will only respond to force. The politically correct are sheep waiting to be slaughtered (which slaughter has already begun).

The current US mis-doings in the ME are wrong - I think almost everyone here agrees with that. The US should not be droning innocents, propping up evil rulers (Saudi's, ex-Shah of Iran, Erdogan), and keeping military bases in foreign lands. However, to suggest that Muslim atrocities started with the US's failings is just ridiculous. There was more than a century of Muslim atrocity before the US was even born!

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:28 | 6894405 Harlequin001
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In answer to your second sentence, I don't.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 16:39 | 6895601 J Jason Djfmam
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I agree with you.

Let's ship them back to Israel.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 23:54 | 6897715 HopefulCynic
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That is such BS, it does not matter if they get bombed or not, Muslims have ever only needed one excuse to wage war, the existence of Infidels and "hypocrites". If the bombing ever stops, they will still have the same excuse. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:19 | 6893121 J Jason Djfmam
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There was that kid who built a bomb clock.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:43 | 6893238 tmosley
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Well, I used to work with a Muslim who is the world's foremost expert on Pseudomonas, and another one who was (and presumably still is) an excellent synthetic organic chemist.

Though they were Persian and Indian respectively. You could probably narrow it down to muslims from X, Y, and Z countries.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:55 | 6893308 Carl Spackler
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When did Russia ban Muslim travel, before or after the terrorist incident at the Theater in Moscow?

China also has a ban on Muslim entry into China, because the jihadists are a problem in SW China.

This is not an isolated problem in the world, but isolation might help to bring the safety risk under control.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:59 | 6893328 1223pm
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Irony is that Putin is now the leader of the free world. fuck me.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:37 | 6892837 Janice
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Point made by a Muslim Athiest ....... I can't tell them to take it off because they might KILL ME......see the first quote by the 22 year old college student.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:54 | 6892968 BorisTheBlade
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More to the point she makes:

How do you know the Muslim you are banning is actually Muslim? Don't you think an extremist can fake denounce Islam and enter as a Christian or an atheist and still blow up your country?

Well, denouncing Islam for Muslim is Haram, punishable by death. Those sneaky extremists who'd want to denounce Islam before blowing themselves and something/one up wouldn't be technically doing it on behalf of Allah the merciful and wouldn't have a right to exclame 'Allahu akbar' and therefore be entitled to 72 virgins. Win-win.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:25 | 6893154 bonderøven-farm ass
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A word to potential musselman immigrants who feel entitled to live in my country....."You didn't build that".

Pick up a shovel or a gun and build the nation you want to live in on your own fucking soil. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:51 | 6894599 Kobe Beef
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Amen.

I'm White and I don't give a shit what Muslims or any other group of vibrants "think" about my land and my people.

We built this. It's ours. It's better because we're better. You have nothing to offer, and your guest privileges are being revoked.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 14:09 | 6894709 Harlequin001
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I think they already tried that, and then the Americans went in and bombed it. Might have pissed a few of them off a tad...

and fucked up the old 'and build the nation you want to live in on your own fucking soil' bit as well.

Now they want yours.

and you can't really blame them can you?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:13 | 6894288 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Well, denouncing Islam for Muslim is Haram, punishable by death."

Well, actually you are wrong. Apostasy is indeed punishable by death. However, according to the Islamic principle of Taqqiya, you are allowed to deny your Islamic faith for the purpose of deceiving the infidel.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 14:50 | 6894949 BorisTheBlade
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Well, Sir, you are of course correct. Though not so much or the purpose of mere deception, but in the fear of persecution for one's beliefs and in the face of mortal danger.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 23:57 | 6897733 HopefulCynic
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Not if it is done to preserve their life or gains, also to expand Islam. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:58 | 6892996 EddieLomax
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Yep, they submit and help our enemies, but only because they fear them.

Well news just in, miss "Muslim Athiest" is part of the problem, our ancestors stood up to oppression and won their freedoms, everything from Magna Carta to the American war of independence (*), yet the generation of today expect to get their freedoms handed to them without cost, this seems to be a common delusion though.

 

(*) That put a stake through the heart of British imperialism, we never really believed our empire would last after that despite India falling into our hands as the Mughal empire collapsed, while the popular myth is a empire that the sun never set on was whipped up in the 1910's, leading figures like Gladstone were saying things like "when those damn colonists get their independence" in reference to Canada.  The reality is that the loss of the American colonies and the lesson it taught Britain was never forgotten, which probably was the reason the rest unravelled when it did relatively peacefully, although hastened by our weakened state from WW2.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:30 | 6892790 Haus-Targaryen
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Dear Sweet Baby Jesus,

For the lols, please make the 2016 election Donald Trump v Bernie Sanders.  Get Clinton sent to Jail, or come out as a space alien, or something crazy, and makes this a Trump v Sanders election.  Please, I know you have a sense of humor, let's see it.  

Amen.  

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:51 | 6892943 Beowulf55
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If Trump is elected America gets what it deserves.........seems the Turnip wants to shut down the internet because it radicalizes some people.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-presidential-nominee-wants-i...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:06 | 6893040 Janice
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I gives a damn! If Trump curses me out to my face and calls me a jackass idiot, I still vote for him. why? Cause he ain't Bush, Cruz, or Rubio. I'd rather have him than a lifetime government employee.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:32 | 6893185 Beowulf55
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short sightedness and lack of information has led us to this point.....So why do you want to compound the error?  If you are aiming to bring this country down quicker then vote for the idiot.  I am hoping for a quick death of the dinosaur so we can start over sooner.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:08 | 6893380 1223pm
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HiTlary is a lizard and is not going to win. Now game is between stupid trump, and a Jew sanders. This nation is going to get what it deserve. total annihilation of a country as we know it..

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:12 | 6894276 FixItAgainTony
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Bring it. Let the Fedcoats burn their remaining credibility and trust down to the ground. After the inevitable dollar default, but before NWO enserfdom, call a Constitutional Convention to build a limited organization that would keep the States from cannibalizing each other, that fights international banking debt scams, and that roots out criminal syndicate deep-state 5th columns, and not a thing more. Citizen militias will provide Swiss style defence against unlikely invasion.

It may be old fashioned and not glamorous but hopefully we will buy ourselves a hundred years of freedom without reinventing an imperial elite that vacillates between predatory and out-of-touch.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:42 | 6892851 Groundhog Day
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Barbarians in the mist that are killing us in the shadows slowly

Coca COLA...for poisoning us with thier drinks

Monsanto ----for poisoning us with thier GMO

INBEv....for allowing those with no will power to drink themselves to death

Phillip Morris...for killing millions wordwide with thier juiced up nicotine sticks

Pharma marketing of questionable pills

Where's the uproar?  I'm an Agnostic who believes in karma primarily because i have actually read all the texts of all the religions and came to the conclusion they have the same message which is utimately lost in the "my god is better then yours" bullshit

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:52 | 6892936 VinceFostersGhost
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I'm an Agnostic

 

Yeah well.....I'm a Special Snowflake......and the line forms behind me.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:53 | 6892962 Janice
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Are you a yellow special snowflake? If so, the line may form over you.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:47 | 6893263 knukles
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I personally resolved that dichotomy by understanding that there is a Power Greater than myself, I call it a Higher Power
The "God" that Created Man
As opposed to the God Created by Man

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:51 | 6892947 Janice
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But the question remains...Who or What dishes out the karma and/or decides what actions are subjected to such karma?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:15 | 6893423 1223pm
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Above all is the 911 that destroyed the core of this nation's moral values. Who ever did 911 is laughing his ass off. History will tell haw a super power got eliminated. and it is not an accident.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:13 | 6894244 The Saint
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"You have to be bold and you have to be right."  ~ Livermore

 

Trump is both.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:28 | 6892777 Vylahkinnen
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What are you talking about? Dude - are you against the Anglo-American bombing campaigns? So what? You bombed the shit out of France when it still was under Nazi occupation. 50,000 French Civilians killed by Allied bombs. Are you fucking kidding me? And the Germans? You bombed them into the fuckin' stone age with a couple of hundred thousands killed. Poor bastards - they never came even close with their bombing strategy and had to rely on other means to kill innocent people. And what is with Vietnam, dude? Or Laos? Japan? You hear much about them? So where the fuck are those German-Japanese-Vietnamese-French-Laotian suicide commandos in America?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:57 | 6892827 fleur de lis
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That's the problem with Trump's statement -- he has no concept history except what he learns on TV. His statement feeds into the psychos at the Pentagram, State, and the central banker warmongers who have been salivating at the thought at demolishing the Middle East and remaking the world map.

This is the same rhetoric that got us into two major world conflagrations, both of which were planned by criminally insane degenerates in conference rooms and government buildings. They used false flags and hatred to rally the populations for the murders of millions world wide. To this day the university fops teach the lies as truth and preen each other with awards to make sure it stays that way.

Notice that he did not mention NATO bombing Libya and Syria into rubble and sending their formerly settled populations running to Europe thereby creating more chaos. Who put this supremely ignorant idea into his head? One of his .gov advisors?

If he makes good on his threat the Islamic world will respond in kind toward travelers, businessmen, and even their own minorities. Yes. they are hotheads but why fuel them?

Start getting ready for another Clinton psycho.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:59 | 6893012 Janice
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Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:41 | 6893231 fleur de lis
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Exactly. The DC psychos will never let anything or anyone upset their cozy little roach nest. The fact that they are all upset proves that Trump is an outsider, and would not go along with their criminal games if he got in.

Islamics are being used as pawns and Trump is falling for it the same as most Americans, because he was never in on the plan.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:02 | 6893021 EddieLomax
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There is a clear difference there though, the previous rhetoric was about reshaping the world into a new form, Trump is talking inwards, of nation.

I'd like to see him in the whitehouse even if it was just to shake things up, to get people talking and thinking again about subjects that were forbidden, although if he managed to balance those books then I'd like to see how many he could feed with 5 loaves and 5 fish...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:19 | 6893066 fleur de lis
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I agree that the WH needs a good shake up. However Trump is being fed lies and he threatens to act on them. Dick Cheney of all psychos added to the reprimands of Trump by saying his words disregard Muslim Americans. This is the same Dickless Cheney who participated in the 911 murder spree for the sole purpose of attacking Muslims in their homelands.

That is the kind of smoke and mirror deceit that Trump will be up against if he gets in. Like most Americans, Trump does not have a grasp on how these vicious scams work. How is McCain still walking around with that hero thing? How is FDR still called a great President when he participated in the Pearl Harbor false flag?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:03 | 6893027 detached.amusement
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   I think this kinda hits it on the head - Trump says way too many uninformed things to be an insider.  Of course, speaking TOO truthfully would get him shown off the podium...

 

Jury's still out, I cant say one way or the other.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:38 | 6893215 fleur de lis
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I agree. He is an outsider and he genuinely means well, but he has a poor grasp of history. That makes him vulnerable to lies. Given accurate information he would alter his thinking, but where does one find it?

Our insider leaders keep saying we will be attacked again with remarkable assurety. They must be so smart with the ability to see the future. And of course they always have our best interests in mind. Yeah. Sure.

Trump would never participate in an American murder spree, so for that alone he is a threat to DC and its resident psychos. All of them together and separately pile on to make sure that he implodes. He needs better advisors, and he needs to control his mouth.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 13:31 | 6894441 FrankDrakman
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Notice that he did not mention NATO bombing Libya and Syria into rubble and sending their formerly settled populations running to Europe

Er, why are they running to Europe when nearby Saudi (just an hour's drive) has huge tent cities (with Air conditioning!!!) sitting idle? Why don't these Muslims take care of their own?

Hint: because they know stupid pussies like Obama, Merkel, Hollande, and the Dauphin will open the doors for their fifth column. Ya, sure, most of them aren't militant. I don't care. Until we can prove 0% are militant, don't import any more.

I mean if Islam was Ebola, would you take in 10,000 refugees from Guinea without demanding strict quarantine and testing?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:36 | 6892828 firstdivision
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The French try to kill us with the BO every day.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:17 | 6893109 Buster Cherry
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Ever here of Vichy France?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:29 | 6892782 Leopold B. Scotch
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The problem is authoritarianism unbridled...  That's ISIS, that's the worst of any zealtory.

Speaking of that, what of our own progressives and neoconservatives... They hate your and my liberty as good as anyone.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:32 | 6892792 madcows
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Uh, their monstrocities go back 900 years before america was "discovered".

Islam has been the religion of death since its incorporation around 600 AD.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:12 | 6893074 TeamDepends
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Really tired of this argument. Islam has been waging bloody jihad for MANY CENTURIES. Hell, if not for the Venetian Navy at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571 and the brave German and Polish Knights at the Gates of Vienna in 1683, Europe might be muslim right now. Nineteen times in the Koran it says killing infidels is justified. Because of this, "moderate muslims" don't speak out because THEY CAN'T.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:31 | 6893182 madcows
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50% of "Moderate" muzzies support Jihad.

Yeah, it's no wonder trump is high in the polls.  normal americans recognize this. 

however, 100% of liberals are blind, and support more muslim immigration.  hey, whatever helps to destroy christianity, right.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:47 | 6893267 drendebe10
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Progressive liberal democraps never let the truth or facts prevent them from forcing their bullshit agenda down the throats of tax paying U.S. citizens.  fukem all... fukem I say...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 14:24 | 6894807 BarnacleBill
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Red Pill's comment deserves many, many more upticks. Do the downticks-people really think the Muslims of the Middle East don't resent having their homes and livelihoods destroyed by US bombs, their families tortured, and their homeland occupied by US and other NATO soldiers in and out of uniform? To rub salt into the wounds, those bombers, torturers and occupiers are hailed as war-heroes by the NATO governments and most of the population. Dear God! Look at all the fuss and fury in the NATO nations when one or two of the dispossessed shoot up half a dozen of NATO's civilians. Objectively speaking, can we blame them?

http://barlowscayman.blogspot.com/2013/11/less-than-human-torture.html

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:42 | 6893236 Lorca's Novena
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Trump has it 'kinda' right, but if he bans all international flights for cia operatives and xi personnel, id wager most of these terrist attacks would cease.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:43 | 6893243 drendebe10
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Lemme see here...

1. Radical muslims kill innocent people all over the world and most recently in California and Paris.

2. The muslim holy book Quran says something to the effect calling for "killing all in the infidels" or some variant of that.

3.  The muslim religion has been killing 'infidels" for centuries and centuries.

4.  There is an illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim squatting at 1600 PA and masquerading as a Us ciizen who refuses to acknowledge the threat and focuses on global warming and taking away guns from tax paying US citiizens.  The same turd allows illegal aliens who are unvetted to flood across the US southern border but says with its lying flapping lips that the Syrian refugees will undergo a rigours vetting. 

WTF is wrong with this picture?  Trump is a bull in a china shop but some of what he says if not much of it is spot on. At least he is a U.S. born citizen unlike the fudgepacker.  As for all the corrupt elected career politician turds, they and especially the fudgepacker need to have their skins sandpapered off, buried in salt and then thrown in the middle of a syrian desert with a can of Pennzoil each for breeching their oates of office and trampling the constitution as well as destroying the foundations that the country was built on.  Take away the vote from any one who doesn't pay taxes after all the elecedd career poltical turds have been skinned.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:56 | 6893310 1223pm
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They are still laughing at the freedom joke in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and sirya.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:20 | 6893456 Refuse-Resist
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They were never taught that old maxim " Sticks and stones may break my bones but names wil never hurt me".

 

Instead they're taught "If someone criticizes your politheo beliefs kill them".

 

No more allowed and and ship the rest of them back from whence they came. I simply don't give a flying fuck about them or their humanitarian struggles.

Get off my lawn mohammedans.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:28 | 6892781 LasVegasDave
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Everyone loves Muslims

Until they get their face blown off by one

-Malik Tyson

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:35 | 6892805 booboo
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"He's trying to alienate not only the Muslim population of the United States but all the Muslims around the world."

I really don't remember a lot of bed sheet wearing men and space ghost looking women trapsing around the malls and streets groing up as a kid and if memory serves me I don't remember many prior to the 90's, what changed? Oh wait, thats it, we started a twenty year long nation building program delivered in the form of 500 pound bombs, maybe there is a connection.

What we have here is a man made perfect storm engineered by psychopaths, invade and bomb the shit out of hornets and than introduce the hornets into your country and allow them to build hives in your cities.

Trump is half right, in order to thwart the globalist you will have to intercede in their plans of amalgamating two incapatable forms of government, sharia and what some pretend to be called a democracy.

I don't think Trump realizes deep rabbit hole is.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:36 | 6892822 MFL8240
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Great, lets hope it works!

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:11 | 6893832 ASACJon
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If most people are stupid enough to actually believe in a modern Swedish model of 'we must bring these people here,' well then we deserve what we get.

It is entirely rational, reasonable, and responsible to suspend immigration from Muslim countries (and to similarly ban naturalized citizens of other countries [ex., Muslim immigrants to EU members.)

I'm surprised to see so much chanting of the religion of diversity on ZH: Your religion of cultural Marxism is truly suicidal.

Just because you do not want to let in certain people to a country, that does not automatically translate into 'I hate x group.' 

The logical fallacies and emotionalism are so thick that they are pointless to catalogue. 

Thankfully parts of Central and Eastern Europe have not been mind scrambled as we have.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:54 | 6892976 BullyBearish
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The zionist culture of death and destruction rules the world.  Once the power of love (loving GOD above all else and loving your neighbor as yourself) is stronger than the love of power (zionist culture of death and destruction) the world can start being a better place.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:48 | 6893675 BullyBearish
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Amazing...after 2000 years the pharisees are still with us...

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Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:16 | 6892707 franciscopendergrass
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Im sure Islamic countries offer the same freedoms as the US and Europe 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:28 | 6892739 curbjob
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Aside  from the human cargo, let's ban  oil imports from Islamic countries until we can verify that the sales don't fund terrorism. 

 

How about a moratorium forbidding muslims from holding US stawks ? 

 

... trading in US $'s ?

 

Yup, complexity's a bitch.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:28 | 6892779 Oldwood
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Yes

Higher oil prices would likely precipitate an earlier but inevitable financial collapse, but fuck them even worse.

They want to bitch about being robbed of their oil while they have instituted a monopolistic cartel to actually protect their oil, oil that they would have set upon for anther two centuries if western technology had not developed it.

Lets give it back, all of it. Let them eat it and drink it and bath in it, but never be able to sell it. I would rather walk than perpetuate this paradigm.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:15 | 6892712 kingvaclav
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While Donald Trump is worked up into a tizzy about a moratorium on Muslims entering the US, real Jewish terrorists are let off the hook.

Jewish Terrorist Joshua Goldberg to be Declared Unfit to Stand Trial

http://winteractionables.com/?p=28433

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:20 | 6892737 VinceFostersGhost
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I'll hold my comments until that thread hits.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:23 | 6892749 Usurious
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the 'salt of the earth' jews scare me a million times more than the muslims....

''If Jews account for just 2% of the general population, then, all things being equal, there would be a 1/50 chance of a single Jew being selected as Fed Chair. The odds of FIVE consecutive Jews would therefore be 1/50 x 1/50 x 1/50 x 1/50 x 1/50 = 1 in 312,500,000!"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-25/janet-yellen-freaking-out-about...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:32 | 6892802 Groundhog Day
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mega millions odds!

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:35 | 6892819 LasVegasDave
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Or maybe, it was your ancestors, who herded the jews into ghettos, where they realized that acquiring knowledge and rewarding study and success was the only way they could compete.

So it was you my friend, and your kin  who are responsible for creating the dilemna you face today in competing with the jews.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:42 | 6892866 overmedicatedun...
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lasvegas, maybe you are right about ghettos, but why have the blacks not also benefited?? by the ghetto treatment?? anyway, alot of jews at the fed thank you..doing gods work and all, or is that goldman sucks..ps i admire many jews but do not turn a blind eye to those who do us harm.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:43 | 6892872 Agstacker
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The six million number is a total myth, try reading up on the science of crematoriums in WW2, it was impossible to cremate so many people, even running the ovens 24/7-

 

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p219_Buchner.html

 

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:46 | 6892897 Rikky
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i have a thought for you.  eat shit you turd.  i had family die in the gas chambers so go peddle your bullshit somewhere else.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:51 | 6892944 Agstacker
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If I meet just one joo who didn't 'have a family member die in the ovens' I'll buy him dinner.  

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:12 | 6893080 MANvsMACHINE
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Anyone who took you up on your offer would certainly become number 6,000,001

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 11:26 | 6893497 Refuse-Resist
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Yep. This one time at an LSU-Auburn football game (which I attended freshman year 1987) the LSU fans cheered so loud upon Eddie Fuller's catch of Tommy Hodson's  pass, on 4th and goal to win the game, that the LSU Seismometer registered the event.

It became known as the "EarthQuake Game".  As far as football games go, it was one of the most frustrating to watch as an LSU fan (other than 1/9/12. LSU offense could not move the ball no matter how many opportunities the LSU defense gave them. Until the very end, winning the game 7-6.

Anyway, 28 years later, rougly 6 million LSU fans claim to have been there that night, when, as I know from first hand experience, the stadium was not full, and max capacity about 80k fans, 

If you dare mention that on an LSU football message board, it's the equivalent of holocaust denial almost.

I see a parallel for sure.

 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:33 | 6893192 detached.amusement
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wow, that sounds just like "I was there on 911, I saw those planes hit the buildings, dont you dare tell me the government did it"

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:49 | 6893276 Lorca's Novena
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Sorry to hear, were they jews? Or were they gov dissenters? Christians?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:58 | 6893324 Laddie
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@Agstacker

I wonder how long information such as this will be legal in the USSA? You see "hate speech" = TRUTH.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:45 | 6892886 Usurious
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1000+ Rabbis Sign Letter In Support of Welcoming Refugees

The following letter, signed by more than 1000 American Rabbis, was delivered by HIAS to all members of Congress on December 2, 2015.

 

1000+ Rabbis Sign Letter In Support of Welcoming Refugees

The following letter, signed by more than 1000 American Rabbis, was delivered by HIAS to all members of Congress on December 2, 2015.

 

1000+ Rabbis Sign Letter In Support of Welcoming RefugeesThe following letter, signed by more than 1000 American Rabbis, was delivered by HIAS to all members of Congress on December 2, 2015.

http://www.hias.org/1000-rabbis-sign-letter-support-welcoming-refugees

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:54 | 6892974 LasVegasDave
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traitors all

any questions?

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:06 | 6893043 Usurious
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I do have a question..........

 

How many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 17, 2015

 

send those refugees to tela viv..........

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:58 | 6893009 Hopeless for Change
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why only say once what you could repeat three times? 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:17 | 6892716 ImReady
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Where is the Muslim outrage in regards to the needless killing of innnocents around the world? This is THEIR blowback for the deafening silence.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:20 | 6892736 847328_3527
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The NAASBIP (National Association for the Advancement of Stoning and Beheadings of Infidel Peeples) has withdrawn its support from the Trump campaign.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:26 | 6892766 wildbad
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it is no longer sane to simply accept people who subscribe to a religion which openly calls for non-believers to be converted or killed.

it is no longer possible for people to justify an open door policy to a religion that does not accept the concept of separation of church and state.

it is no longer acceptable to allow non-violent muslims to remain aloof and on the fence about the sins, crimes and illegal interpretations perpetrated by people claiming some right to do so through their religion.

is is no longer sensible to thing that this is not a culture war in which the muslims will use overcopulation and our tax largess to win.

it is no longer profiling it is self defense.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:41 | 6892859 gonetogalt
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+1000 for overcopulation...

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:48 | 6892913 Rikky
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>>illegal interpretations

 

huh?  have you read the koran?  its full of commands to destroy non-muslims.  try reading it sometime.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:33 | 6892804 unplugged
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where was the muslim outrage when the world trade center was destroyed (by whatever means it was - inside job - whatever - this is not the point of this post) - instead, muslims were video'd celebrating - I abhor imperialistic military conquests, but I strongly believe in defending the homeland, which to me is the only legitimate use of one's military and security apparatus - which includes preventing illegal invasions of foreigners of all types

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:43 | 6892873 firstdivision
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By this logic, then you should be celebrating every US death that occured in Iraq and Afghanistan, as that was the deaths of military conqests and not defending the homeland.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:56 | 6892988 man of Wool
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Where is the American outrage at the needless killing of innocents in America?  350 mass shootings this year. What do the vitims families get?  Prayers........

 

Who do you think are fighting ISIS? Muslims for the most part.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:17 | 6893108 overmedicatedun...
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nice to have NON americans give us american yokels advice and looking down their noses..mean while in Paris they closed mosques, put up fences to keep em out in other parts of the EU,, but they think they know our consititution ,  and history so well. fuck you all

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:23 | 6893141 Son of Loki
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Where were they? They were celebrating at Abdul's Bar & Grill down the block.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:16 | 6893877 silverer
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And where is the outrage over this??

http://killedbypolice.net

 

 

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Tue, 12/08/2015 - 10:13 | 6893086 Buster Cherry
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View the link in BigKansas post.

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:32 | 6894019 flaunt
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That's right.  We can let the United States of America turn into another Europe, it's our choice.  We have no right to exist.  It's a choice to survive or die.  Choose wisely. 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 12:34 | 6894020 flaunt
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Accidentally double posted 

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:16 | 6892717 stant
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Some gov sub contractor better get on the ball. No Christmas time off at Langley either

Tue, 12/08/2015 - 09:16 | 6892718 Michigander
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Even Jeb Bush is voting for the Donald. Go to jebbush.com and it redirects to the Donalds website. Fucking hilarious!

www.jebbush.com

 

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