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Putin Hopes "There Will Be No Need To Nuke" The Islamic State
Earlier today, in a clear advance notice to the French and US navies which are both set to arrive just off the coast of Syria in the coming weeks, Russia for the first time targeted Islamic State targets in Syria with Kalibr land-attack cruise missiles launched from a submarine in the Mediterranean Sea off the Syrian coastline, according to Russia’s Defense Minister.
According to RT, the 3M-54 Kalibr missiles were launched from the Kilo-class diesel-electric submarine “Rostov-on-Don”, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu told President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday.
While as reported here before, Russian warships based in the Caspian and Mediterranean seas had launched similar missiles targeting ISIS positions in late November, this was the first time that Russia has targeted IS in Syria from a submarine.
The submarine cruise missile launch and subsequent strikes are shown in the clip below:
According to a Kremlin transcript of the conversation, Shoigu told Putin that the missiles successfully targeted two major terrorist positions in the territory of Raqqa, adding that “we can say with absolute confidence that significant damage has been inflicted upon ammunition warehouses and a mine production plant, as well as the oil infrastructure."
In addition to the submarine, a Russian Ministry of Defense source revealed that the Rostov-on-Don, equipped with modern Russian Kalibr cruise missiles, had appeared near the Syrian coast. Additionally, just before the USS Harry S. Truman carrier arrives, the Russian cruiser Varyag, which is currently off India’s coast for Exercise Indra till Dec. 12, will set sail for the Mediterranean to replace the cruiser Moskva.
However, what was most notable in today's update by the Russian defense ministry was neither the news about the sub, or the second ship deployment, but what Putin told Shoigu during their conversation according to the Kremlin's transcript. Which is as follows:
Regarding the submarine strikes we must, of course, analyze everything that happens on the battlefield, how the weapons acts. Both the "Kalibrs" and the X-101 rockets as a whole proved to be very good. This new, modern, highly efficient, and highly precise weapon can be equipped with both a conventional warhead as well as a special, nuclear warhead. Naturally, in the fight against terrorism that is unnecessary, and I hope there will be no need [to use nukes against the Islamic State].
But, if it is.... which of course was the unsaid message: Russia not only can deploy tactical nuclear warheads to Syria overnight, but it may, "not now", but eventually be forced to use them against "the Islamic State."
And just like that Putin hinted that the Syrian proxy war, as it escalates ever wider and drags in increasingly more countries in true "world war" fashion, may just have one or more mushroom clouds in its near future; clouds which will will target none other than the CIA's pet project designed to take down Assad - the Islamic State. We are not sure if this particular cloud will have a silver lining, but we are confident that not even Turkey will want to buy ISIS oil if it happens to have the same radioactivity profile as Fukushima.
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Haven't they wounded and/or killed him like 5 or 6 times already? I've lost count...
Were those Western media reports?
Yeah, it's lookin' like Bagdaddy's got more lives than bin Laden's cat.
Not doubting it but the article has a date conflict when it sites his movements in November but then references the supposed air attack that injured him which occurred in October (as claimed by the article). Maybe it's a translation error, but FARS should get its shit together. I'd love to see more on the CIA connection.
UH-OH.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." ~ Mike Tyson
Except that getting punched with a FOAB kinda ruins your day.
What I'd like to know, is if the Russian cruise missiles can carry a FOAB. Because that puts a 'Bookend' on conventional explosives. After that, you're in the Big Boy League of ABC weapons.
Bullish for Russia's MIC?
Welp we're about to find out what happens when the CIA gets nuked, I guess.
Party on while you can dudes.
"Hinting" at what [could] be done with out overtly 'threatening' should not be taken lightly coming from Russia.
Shit, I hope he doesn't have to nuke the US, Israel, SA and Turkey either! I don't want to be a crispy critter.
Pretty sure this is meant as a remeinder for America, not ISIS.
ISIS is America.
FINKLE IS EINHORN. EINHORN IS FINKLE.
Christian or Viking. Plan A or Plan B. One or the other. Moneychangers and their pet politicians are so accustomed to bullying the weak that they forget there might be a bigger gorilla in the jungle.
Gorillas are community minded; strong, brave, vegetarian as it happens. But they know how to react when threatened.
Slowly at first. Then all of a sudden. Whatever it takes to repel the aggressor.
I wonder what childhood trauma caused Zbigniew Brzezinski to hate Russia so much that he has made it his life's work to serve zionism and abuse the hospitality of the USA which gave his family safe refuge, and he then became a constant agitator at the top of the NSA, soon after JFK was assassinated by his sort. Kissinger is similar, simply playing the other side of the shekel.
well the 'great game' really started in 1839 when the british empire invaded afghanistan (one of 3 invasions) to counter the russians.......some things never change....
It really started in 1762 when the British won the 7 Years War. The British Empire from then on did whatever they could to rule the world (transferring the flag to New York/Washington in 1917) (or so) but never really letting go of their power (until now perhaps (go Putin!)).
^^^^^^ The Great Game. I liked that book. Good read.
"The Russian naval and air presences in Syria are vulnerable, isolated geographically from their homeland. They could be 'disarmed' if they persist in provoking the US. In these rapidly unfolding circumstances the U.S. has only one real option if it is to protect its wider stakes in the region: to convey to Moscow the demand that it cease and desist from military actions that directly affect American assets." - Brezinski
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Funny I mentioned the Grand Chessboard above and it's all Zbigniew down below posted prior and I hadn't seen it yet. This whole thing, this WHOLE things reeks of Zbig among others.
Brezinski is a murdering half-wit neo-con/Nazi. It would please the low-life devil to start a nuclear war. In any case he doesn't seem to understand that the Russians have ship-to-ship missiles that could sink a carrier in just a few minutes (and any other American ship in the 5th or 6th fleet). Also the Russians have recently fully displayed an EMP weapson that blinds any ship/plane in the desired area. It has scared the crap out of the Israelis (and the US). Disarmed? I think not.
Had never heard that quote before. Brzezinski is a real psycho.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-should-attempt-to-disarm-russians-in-syr...
The whole article:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/zbigniew-brzezinski-financial-time...
And his MILF daughter is a co-host/talking-head on Morning Joe. She's eye candy for Neocons and Born-Again idiots (aka to Israelis as Useful Fools).
Should the us strike russia, iran and russia should strike saudi arabia and especially destroy saudi arabia's water purification plants. destruction of saudi arabia 1> destroys isis, 2>destroys the biggest turd in the toilet, saudi arabia, 3> brings oil back up, 4> reduces muslim extremism by at least half.
Why would they want to do such a silly thing? What's wrong with Russia nuking the largest 100 or so US cities?
Wait? There's a Viking option? Does it come with unlimited mead and all the Valkyries you can bang? Because I'll dump the Christian option at the drop of a hat if that's what's on offer.
Decisions...decisions...;-)
Daaaaammmmnnnn. Pretty impressive booms.
Just release the Topol's ;)
so its 'liquidation of the unfunded liabilities' as Mako predicted........
CPL address' the issue today..........
''Even given the baltic dry index. The single index that illustrates the world commerce reflects a world of around 2 - 2.5 billion...not 7.5 billion. ''
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-08/overflowing-global-oil-storage-...
Putin's message was meant for domestic consumption.
But here it is, for your eyes too. Funny old world, ain't it.
I've become so cynical that I can't decide if there's an actual proxy war going on or if it's just all the elites of the world fucking with our head in an effort to advance their NWO agenda. Sometimes I think Russia and China are resisting becoming a vassal state, and other times I think they're in on the game too.
I find the scenario where China is NWO but Russia isn't the most disturbing for some reason, especially if Russia didn't know it.
Key question, Dr., and I too haven't come down hard one way or the other.
it's all theater........all countries that use debt money are in on it...they did the same thing in WW2 except the Germans were the scapegoat and this time its the muslims.........they will use the cover of war to keep their secret a secret.........
'The gov't debt is a red herring... it's 3-card monte. Our focus is trained on it (in this case war) so that the banking oligarch can pin the blame on something other than the system itself. '
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-02/bill-gross-us-debt-meth-addict-...
What happens when the money tribe fight? They fund both sides.
In my opinion, our job as Americans is to restore our own Constitution. Keep the guns against tyranny at home or abroad. Keep the free speech against tyranny at home or abroad. Keep our inalienable rights, under the Constitution.
Others can go their own way, although I am happy to see Christian Russia defy the nazionists, and Iran defend civilisation as it knows it and Christendom does too, in my opinion.
I think it's gone well beyond anyone thinking of "us" and fucking with our heads
Up this mother fucking comment. Bravo!
No, I don't see that evidence.
As I try to see it from the position of the other leaders of nations in the world, they all understand that Israeli-Neocon Cabal runs things to a very large extent. But no political group is omnipotent, and there are many opposition groups and they are gradually getting themselves organized and presenting individual and organized opposition.
Merkel is much more independent that DC wants her to be, she can't be happy with her phones being tapped. Ditto all of them, and of course they were all recorded every word they said. Can't be happy with their own intelligence services.
So initial opposition will just be a slowness to act, decisions take a long time, etc. The UK and France are fully on-board, at least their leaders were, and MI5/6 and probablly all the other intelligence services who depend on US wiretaps.
You have to change your pov : they aren't trying to win, or to really accomplish anything, they just want chaos. If peace arrives, they hang.
Ill be honest . I think it's the latter myself, all the elites are working on the main agenda: To destroy western civilization through open borders, multiculturalism, homosexuality, financial terrorism.... yada yada. The NWO cannot be completed until America and the rest of the western countries are helpless. Oligarchs vs Oligarchs is where we are at right now imo. We are one huge false flag away from the next step.
Got to agree with you, 'freeShitter'. People have no idea how nasty the world is at the top.
The CIA invented the phrase 'conspiracy theory' to shut down talk about JFK's assassination. People don't know that or forget that.
I see signs that Russia is party to the NWO agenda and other signs that Putin and the elites are just trying to make profits on the events and they are positioning themselves for controlling Russia on behalf of the NWO in the coming years.
I actually think it is more likely China is outside the NWO and independent.
This nuke talk could just be more of the showmanship in a desperate attempt to scare someone. For example, Turkey positioned troops in Syria and Putin cannot even act against them nor can he get the guts to supply the S300 or better to Syria.
I think Putin is trying to scare the citizens of the NATO countries but will have little success with the military.
Bullshit. China is a slave nation, and the Rothschilds who run it want the rest of the world to be the same.
All that smog, all that poverty, all that jailing traders, people disappearing, no free speech, controlling the internet...that is exactly why the Rothschilds vaulted China into the SDR, and will use it to make their one world government and one world currency before 2017 which they have previously announced...if you were paying attention.
Russia and Iran are resisting domination, and that gives the people of the USA some breathing space to wake up...restore the Constitution. Go our own way.
It is a small window of opportunity.
I pity the Chinese, betrayed by their own political and banking class, and I don't want the USA or anywhere else to go the same way.
I've seen the demonstrations of Chinese people in London, speaking out against the Politburo, but they would be killed if they did the same in China.
western chinese are scumbags infected with the mind parasite anglosaxon zionists. the rothchilds may have a large part to play in china's economy, but make no mistake china's military still belongs to china. the attempted cia color revolution of tiananmin square is a sharp reminder of that: any attempt to demonocratize towards liberal rothchilds' westernization will result in a swift and sharp curb stomp. a few million dead westernized chinese is a sweet sacrifice.
Dr.,
I am stuck in that dichotomy also. Maybe it is a mesh of both scenarios .?
Both outcomes are a shit sandwich so I'm just prepping for that.
Agreed, however. I feel like I'm being fucked with.
Yep, it's like if Foucaults pendulum had an orgy with Plato's Cave, Orwell's Big Brother and Huxley's Brave New World. Unreal to watch it unfold and drawing conclusions that are sound? LOL.
Sheikh Imran Husein on Morris108 (worth a listen). Yes, I agree. Elimination of the middle class is the end game. The pensions are gone as are the jobs. Russia's unemployment is also high. We could have done this differently. Corruption stood in the way of progress, however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gi_PGiZq-s
Turkey Russia Syria Nuclear War Sheikh Imran Hosein InterviewDoc, I can see where you're coming from, and must admit that I've spent a few cycles wondering the same thing, for the following reasons :
OT1H, Russia and China are both doing their share of controlled sabre-rattling, but OTOH, neither is dropping any financial nukes, by (a) going Live with their version of BIS, (b) Backing their money with AU/PM, or (c) Breaking the PM markets with demands of delivery for large amounts of AU. Also, I don't see China stopping their rich people from moving fortunes onto foreign (Canadian, US and EU) real estate.
With all these Mixed Messages, it is easy to name why an astute and observant thinker would be skeptical.
This mess is near Russia's border. They're taking a more active interest.
Now Turkey wants nukes
Turkey=Donmeh Jews at the top.
JFK refused to give nuclear weapons to Israel, and issued silver backed money outside their usurious notes. They and their mobsters and their political puppets assassinated him. He threatened to smash the CIA to smithereens.
That Bush tribe was there, then and now.
God forgives. I remember.
I'm pretty sure that neither Q nor the Overmind forgive. They might Extend & Pretend to see what actually happens (and compare it to their Sim), as I do in the Holodeck, or a Game Theorist does on his computer, but they don't 'forgive' things that matter to them. And neither do I.
"Now Turkey wants nukes "
If they keep fucking with Russia's allies they might be 'gifted' a few...
LOL! Ergoner better hope the fuse on the first one isn’t in the process of timing out.
Maybe he could throw himself on it and save everyone else in the foxhole.
~ DC
Turkey has destroyed its economy to the point that it can't afford nukes.
And thus will be destroyed when it pushes a nation that could.
Gotta admit that I am getting tired of Vlad tossing the "nuke" word around like he's feeding candy to babies. There is zero justification for using nukes in the Ukraine or Syria. But he has mentioned it both times.
I swear, Putin and Trump are going to turn this world into ashes.
NO - I don't see any positives in that outcome. Unless maybe some ZH'ers here are planning to cook radioactive potatoes in smoldering heap that "used to be the World".
He is warning the hateful tribe that they have an able adversary this time, not just willing victims or colluders.
Let me give you an example of how wicked the worst are. I am an amateur pilot. I believe professional pilots and investigators and the video which shows that the Pentagon was not hit by an aircraft on 9/11. What happened?
There was no aircraft debris. There were no bodies. There was only little tiny bits, hand sized bits.
I'm telling you that the aircraft altimeter given as evidence showed any aircraft would have flown over the Pentagon, not into it. The Pentagon was hit by a missile. Who did that? Why was it covered up? Why did 9/11 happen a day after the .gov administration announced that more than a trillion dollars was missing from Pentagon accounts, under the eye of a dual national Israeli-American citizen. And investigators looking into Israel stealing nuclear material from the U.S. were called into a special meeting in the room hit that day in the Pentagon, 9/11.
The world is more wicked than your nicey construct imagines.
Generally I don't bother arguing with conspiracy theories. I will give my views on this here. I am doubtful that anyone will listen on ZeroHedge.
9/11 was NOT a conspiracy concocted by the US Government. You can ask the important question - were there warning signs? That's a good question, and has been hotly debated. But the Government did not do this. In my opinion, the main mistake was to keep the 9/11 investigation as a "terrorism investigation". Because this meant that many important details were not revealed to the US public. and during that time of questioning, a lot of people went off the deep end with conspiracy theories.
I was watching LIVE TV when the planes hit the second building. that wasn't a jinxed video - that was LIVE TV. It is incredible to me that people can see an airliner fly into a skyscraper, and then ask ... "What happened?".
The airplanes were not being flown by auto pilots. They were on manual control. Terrorist pilots were flying them. It's not "rocket science" ... if you steer a plane where you want it to go ... by golly it goes there. The pilots nosedived the planes into the buildings.
The alloys in commercial jets are VERY different from the steel in the buildings. Yes, I am sure there were metallurgical experts who examined all the wreckage. It would be difficult to pull apart all of the steel, concrete, and broken masonry. But yes, of course there were experts who checked the alloys at the crime scene. You need to stop making assertions that are not true. Go and find the detailed reports by engineers and technicians.
Many people have claimed that the planes could not bring down a building. This is completely FALSE. I have seen the detailed analyses myself. Those engineering analyses are 100% correct. If you heat the steel in a skyscraper to a high temp (as with burning jet fuel), it will soften. It DOES NOT have to melt. Softening is all it takes. The major structural parts of the building will buckle, because they are carrying a lot of weight. That sets off a collapse and a chain reaction - EXACTLY what the live video showed from New York. Yes, all the data supports the fact that the jet aircraft with burning fuel brought down the buildings.
It is not necessary to concoct crazy conspracy theories about everything in the world. We've already got enough crazies with ISIS and Al Qaeda running around. Plus whoever is feeding them, arms and money.
OK,, genius. Get back to me when you have a pilot's license.
Also,, the story of aircraft hitting the twin towers is fiction as well. Why? Because the aircraft would have had to exceed their design limits. Physically impossible.
No need to say more. Your eyes and ears are shut. No offense to you. Believe as like. That is why military holographs were created.
Take a look at the latest news published about America's 'spy ships' if you would like a clue about how the eye can easily be deceived.
it all goes to motive...........the petro dollar was under attack from a new debt based currency that gave OPEC more purchasing power..........that would be the EURO currency....petro euro........introduced in physical form on 09/01/2001...........MOTIVE
the US needed more military bases in the ME to counter the EURO........invading Iraq in 2001 was about keeping Iraqi oil off the market...and keeping OPEC oil sold in dollars only.......get it now.......
Usurious, any idea where the gold in the basement of WTC went, any WHY?. Any connection of the" reallocation " of a couple trillion $ from Pentagons books, and WHY? All " means" to what " end".
The Gold was moved to the New York Federal Reserve Bank's undergroiund vaults PREVIOUS TO THE ATTACK. The very last truck was outbound and was trapped in the tunnel underneath.
This move happened over a month before.
Alan Greenspan announced the move on Friday, September 14, 2001, in a Television broadcast. I heard it live on Fox Business News.
He said that it had been moved to "an undisclosed location". I learned later that the move was to the New York FED.
That was what let me know that I needed to question the narrative. The very first question was if they had no idea of the impending attack then for what reason did they move 36 Metric Tonnes of Gold?
That was one hell of a Security risk and the logistics must have been nightmarish. It could not have been pulled off in a couple of hours. That is a certainty.
How do you explain the BBC announcing the fall of Building Seven when it was visible behind the reporter still standing?
Clairvoyance?
Laughable, isn't it. People would rather believe propaganda by who knows what, rather than the evidence of their own eyes.
The BBC took down the video of their own reporter announcing the fall of WTC 7 which stood in the distance behind her. It 'fell' about 20 minutes later.
People doubted that markets were rigged, but banks have been fined record sums for doing that in all major markets inluding FX, the largest in the world.
'None so blind as those who will not see.'
WTC 7 is the key to unlocking 9/11. Start with 7 and the rest falls into place
Better hope LaPierre isn't around....you'll get a comment box full.
Don't bother arguing with these nutjobs. It just causes headaches. These are people who have no concept of reality whatsoever. It is sad really. This psychosis of constantly seeing conspiracy at every turn is just the desperate flailings of their limited minds struggling with an intense fear that they are not in control.
Pity the poor bastards but do not engage them. It is a fruitless act.
Propaganda thrives on fear and ignorance.
Pilots and engineers rely on what is, rather than what is claimed. Lives depend on it.
It is a fruitless act when you don't have truth on your side.
No. We need to engage them! WHY? Because a shit ton of them are disinformation "specialists" from foreign countries (predominately Russia) that sow this bullshit to create internal corrosion of American society. I'm not bullshitting.
It breaks down ~ like this
~20-30% of "truthers" are foreign agents planting this garbage.
~60-70% of the "believers" are brain dead idiots that fall for the foreign agents above.
If you don't believe me, then read this book below -- then you WILL believe!
We absolutely must face down these idiots! They are unwitting fodder in a game to bring down America. Look no further than Obama birth certificate and 9/11 "inside job" idiots as proof positive of this.
Help spread the word of what is really going on here!!!!!!!
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Disinformation authoritatively provides the missing dimension that makes the chaos of the modern world finally understandable.
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http://www.amazon.com/Disinformation-Strategies-Undermining-Attacking-Pr...
Building 7.... Oh and there's that hole in the ground in Pennsylvania that a 747 apparently dissapeared into.
"Generally I don't bother arguing with conspiracy theories."
Hilarious shill
@primal scream
Wrong, wrong, completely wrong.
There are several excellent presentations of approx 90- 120 minutes on Youtube. I've watched nearly every one available and learned bits and pieces from all. The common thread is the majority of their evidence was either deleted, dismissed, or purposely misrepresented. Desrtruction of evidence is clear and provable.
I'm not talking about the "No Planes" or "Drones" videos, but well researched presentations which prove the official story is an impossibility. Architects, physicists, investigators, pilots, firefighters, eyewitnesses and on and on.
Pay particular attention to the evidence of freefall
Spend some time and investigate yourself before tying all 911 truthers to moronic conspiracy hounds. My Government lied to me . That does not make me a conspiracy theorist.
Oh, Fuck you
Shaddup...
Snowden wanted info on 9/11 = nothing.
Assange wanted info on 9/11 = nothing.
The premier commercial demolition expert said that the "technical anaalysis" about the buildings regarding conspiracy = bullshit.
You're just embarrasing yourself.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://ff911truthandunity.org/
Building 7 was not hit by a plane. That is an undisputed fact in the MSM and everywhere else.
http://rememberbuilding7.org/7-facts-about-building-7/
I CLEARLY recall the guys on TV saying that WTC7 was taken down by a controlled demolition, due to damage it sustained and the resulting risk it posed to its inhabitants.
Regardless of whether the actual reason is true or not, that was the explanation offered at the time. The reason I remember it, was because I too thought it was odd that it went down at all, and especially at free-fall speed.
WT7came down within a few hours of towers 1 & 2. It takes days or even weeks to plan and implement a controlled demolition - detrmining where to place the charges, what kind of charges to use, how best to detonate them, actualling placing the charges. It is an extremely complex projject to bring down a building. What you are saying is that within hours of this tragedy this building was assessed to be unstable (a very complex engineering exercise of its own), a demoplition plan was prepared and approved, charges placed in the building and the building then brought down. Think really hard about that. This building had already been prepared for demolition well before 9/11.
The 800 pound elephant in the room is WTC 7. How did that building go down at near free-fall speed like the other two without a plane hitting it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqGRv7CQlc
that video which has been on youtube for years was shot by a local news affiliate inside WTC7...it's a helluva watch...I'll just say OST Bennett, the guy in the funny suit at the end, well he wound up in prison for stealing cars...does he look like he was stealing cars? might want to look up what OST is too if you care to watch this..it's worth your time
Wetdream - Three towers fell perfectly into their own basements. Only two of which were hit by aircraft. How does building seven fall?
ps sounds like a fox news commentator
You really have not assessed the considerable evidence against what you propose or you would not be saying any of this shit. Virtually everything you have said has been scientifically and logically proven false. Quit reading the 'official' reports. Try reading what people like Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth or Pilots for 9/11 Truth say to rebut all that you have said - and more. You could not possible be more wrong.
And btw, conspiracies exist - live with it.
WT7. Nano-thermite. MH-17. Sandy Hook.
I stick those facts in every flyboys face I meet at every opportunity.
I watch the blood drain out of their faces and they all go quiet for several minutes. The tough then buy me a beer. The less resilient usually get up and silently leave.
One light bulb at a time, one on one. …… It’s about the only way.
~ DC
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You write substandard fiction.
When NATO begins to personally threaten Assad and his surroundings the time will be right for nukes.
Putin's just warming up.
It is generally regarded as proper and wise that the US used The Bomb on Imperial Japan in order to save American and Allied soldier's lives and end the Pacific War.
For over half a century the propagandized 'concensus' has been that the nuclear arsenal of the US was a powerful deterent to aggressions against the US and Allies and their interests.
This purported 'concensus' was rhetorically repeated by politicians and bureaucrats, pundits and journalists, military contractors and military brass, etc...
1. 9/11 proved without a shred of doubt that this propagandized 'concensus' was nothing but false narrative and wishful thinking.
2. All things being equal: Russia has as much right to utilize whatever weapons are at it's disposal to counter those that attack it and it's Allies, and to preserve Russia lives and the lives of it's Allies, as the United States did and does.
3. Person A's proud people = PERSON B's racist bigots.
Person A's freedom fighters = Person B's criminal terrorists.
IMHO, the USA and Russia should be natural Allies against the scourge of State and/or Religion sponsored/encouraged militant violence.
IF a couple of nukes are what are required to bring an end to the pan-Middle Eastern Wars that have already raged longer than WW2 -than Russia chosing to take responsibility and do the deed is -all things being equal- fully justified and laudible.
Don't be fools and/or hypocrites.
Using the bomb was/is either comendable or damnable if used to attain peace, in BOTH cases.
I thought similar, but you explain it in more detail. The hypocrisy of the world's overpaid career politicians is ineffable. The world has seen nothing like it.
It seems to me that Russia wants to defend its own, and Russia, Putin and his advisors have made every effort to give peace a chance.
But when push comes to shove, they are northern people; Viking and Christian. I understand how they think, how they feel.
Great post
"Consensus"
Religion has nothing to do with what's going on.
Money talks, in its many forms and representations.
In that case, you need to take out both Tel Aviv and Riyadh, and/or Mecca and J'lem.
I don't know if this will happen, but I do know that the world (of humans) and the planet itself can no longer afford to suffer the pathological consequences of ideological extremists and theocratic absolutists -- whose binary thinking is "It's my way, or the highway to hell".
Better for the death-cult nut jobs to perish, than the whole planet.
We nuked Japan because it was safe to do so: the fallout would blow over the Pacific. Nuking Germany would had had a very different result.
What's quite alarming is if he did nuke Daesh, he might have the whispered approval of huge swaths of the world's population, including in the West. Justified or not, that represents a potentially terrifying escalation of the current geopolitical crisis.
Please explain how the use of nuclear weapons by Russia against Daesh/ISIS would constitute any more or less of an excalation of a geo-political crisis than the use of atomic weapons by the USA against Imperial Japan.
The violent imperialism of Daesh is less dangerous than was that of Imperial Japan?
IMHO, the mind-set and voracity of both seem pretty similar in many ways: suicide soldiers, geographical projection, the methodical rape of the women of concquered populaces, destruction of the cultural and religious sites of conquered peoples, etc...
I think Trump and Putin would actually get along. No evidence for that, it's just my feeling. Heavy hitters respect each other.
Obama is just a bitch to Putin. I bet he just wants to walk up behind him, and flick one of those jug ears.
I think Putin would think Trump (real name Drumpf) is the grandson of a German immigrant pimp and slum landlord who has failed to rise above that, and become a better man. I doubt you will see any Russian or true northerner admire or want to 'negotiate' with that Tramp who keeps company with convicted child sex slave trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, and Sheldon Adelson, the uncouth Las Vegas money whore who boasts that he bought the election for Likud in Israel.
Trump was a draft dodger while his peers went off to Vietnam. Trump has 14 bankrupt companies. Trump spews hate toward anyone who does not assist his rise to money or fame. He is a narcissist. Untrustworthy. Not a man. A rich boy, playing politics.
Fucking nailed it!
The people of DumbFuckistan will still vote for him due to his star power.
He has no chance of winning:
He doesn't have the black vote
He doesn't have the hispanic vote
He doesn't have the Asian vote
He doesn't have the muslim vote
He doesn't have the liberal white America vote.
He doens't have the liberal jewish vote
I think he's the spoiler candidate helping Hillary win, which is making the GOP kingpins very unhappy.
'...who keeps company with convicted child sex slave trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, and Sheldon Adelson...Trump was a draft dodger while his peers went off to Vietnam....Trump spews hate toward anyone who does not assist his rise to money... He is a narcissist...Untrustworthy...Not a man...'
Surely all those things make him the perfect candidate for U.S. Presidency?
Actually, Russia and Germany have a very long history that pre-dates WWII.
I think Trump and Putin will respect each other the way 2 tigers in a jungle are the same breed.
IF your hypothesis proves correct, then I would automatically expect Trump (i.e. one not his LLCs) to be awarded 'Yuuuge' contracts after a Billary victory. Assuming we haven't all been nuked by then.
"The best way to control the Opposition, is to finance and run it yourself" comes to mind. It worked for the Rothschilds, in financing the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, and in financing the rise of Hitler.
Oh! a poke to my buttocks. Is that you, Vlad, sweetie?
No! It's me, Reggie. What do you see in that guy?
Umm, err, nothing, Reggie. Are you jealous?
Not just you. Trump himself has claimed to admire Putin and be looking forward to working with him.
First order of business will be resolving the Muslim question, one can only hope.
This might be the only time in history when the use of nukes might be justified.
If nukes had been used at Tora Bora, would we have now be having to deal with the rise of the ISIS caliphate? Just how strong does the caliphate have to become before the rest of the planet is forced to shut it down for good?
Are you kidding me? Are you not paying attention? Sunni terrorism is 100% supported by the House of Saud, Erdrogan's clan, Qatar, Israel and NATO. If those entities stopped supporting it, it would be gone in a few months.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, US, UK, EU - fucking everyone is throwing money and guns at the "Moderate" Terrorists.
Back home, DOS, FBI, CIA, POTUS, PMs, Everyone in the world is throwing love, hugs and kisses at "Moderate" Muslims.
Ok, so is there an intersection for these two moderate groups?
I ask because ISIS is picking up a shit load of money and guns 'somewhere' and Radical Islamic attacks in the West are increasing in frequency and violence with the help of 'someone'.....
Meanwhile only Trump and Putin are bringing the light into these places of darkness and clearly the US Federal Government doesn't like either one of them.
So, all you have to do is add Wahabbi Mosk HQ to the list.
If nukes had been used on Washington D.C. and Tel Aviv, would we have now be having to deal with the rise of the ISIS caliphate?
There...fixed for ya!
No we wouldn't.
Once the Russians level Riyadh, you won't hear another word about jihad.
Can we be sure that nukes are not obsolete?
"Can we be sure that nukes are not obsolete? "
Nukes are less than worthless if they do not command peace in peacetime and/or resolve conflict in war.
Too many conventional wars are being fought by the United States for me to buy the 'consensus' that nuclear weapons are a deterent or remedy to traditional war.
The US has been fighting one or more overt or covert wars every god damned day since WW2 ended.
Use it and halt conflicts that would otherwise require conventional military intervention of scale and/or duration, or decomission the entire dangerous and expensive lot and stop wasting tax funds on building and maintaining the useless 'arsenal'.
Nukes were never meant to prevent wars. They were meant to prevent direct confrontation between major powers. Covert wars, hybrid wars, guerilla wars...all fair game.
That and if somebody launches and the nuke blows up in their face they probably wont be launching too many more. We really wouldn't know until a launch other than a test took place. They also have to have a few new things to try out, we are talking about technology that is at least 70 years old.
Vladimir is out-Trumping Trump! Go for it! Nuke those fuckers in Raqqa and don't stop there. Level the whole fucking middle east. Make those ragheads and camel jockeys learn what the Japs learned in 1945.
Putin........It getting pretty pathetic when I hear Americans cheering this KGB clown, because he looks noble when compared to our marxist in chief in the American White House......Just goes to show you how lousy a government you get that is built on the votes of government check moochers who think that a pathalogical lying socialist, is telling the truth, when he ran for office, when he promised free, food, housing, autos, cellphones, and of course healthcare......Man, if those manna from heaven freebies ever dry up, a nuke from Putin, will be no more than a fart in a whirlwind compared to the nukes from the moocher class........
Nothing to say - that's the whole point of your incoherent grunts.
Woe unto us, who could not elect a John McCain or a Mitt Romney in place of the Negro
Wouldn't we be pigs in shit if we had?
i'd like to defer first to T.E. Lawrence. "As long as you fight amongst yoursleves, you will remain a a petty people, a little people, barbarous and cruel..." the population of Saudi Arabia in 1920 was about 2 million people. It's now about 50 million. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78y7jYZ1lnE known footage of lawrence.
to defend the Donald, as much as i'd not like to.... there are no other major religions in the world where the 'prophet' or whatever term you give him... is a conquering general whom is lauded for beheading all the people of medina. OTHER than Islam and Judiasim. From the Austrailian outback to the Peruvian hills.. from Hinduism and Taoism to Christianity... the golden rule is applied. NOT SO with the religions of the dessert. It's true that say X-stians ignored the teachings of Jesus and behaved the same way. However, they at least pretended they weren't just slaughtering anyone not like them.
When Japan hit Pearl Harbor, we did far worse to the Japaneese living here. It was about the same number of people killed as 9-11. At the begining of WWII there were about 2 billion people on this planet. We are now approaching 8, in two or 3 generations.
In a nutshell, it IS a clash of civilizations. From the Greeks and Persians all the way through the Cruscades and the Balkan Invasions and the almost taking of Vienna.
Societies always do the same thing. Blow them off when they are heathen riff raf... Try to assimilate them when they start to present an existential dilema to your belilef structures... eleminate the threat when all else fails.
Watch the video of T.E. Lawrence. That was about a 100 years ago. When that part of the world was a slumbering backwater full of resources. Well.... not really. they don't exactly have food or water.
Question me this? What happens when about a billion people cry out from a dessert because they have no food, water nor place to live without bombs and are suddenly silenced?
funky desert filled with crazies
Im so sick of them I could puke.
Imagine how we feel about you Adolf...
Do I care how you feel Hymie?
hell no
Time for a change of strategy, Obomba.
Tyler, I think you are still misreading Putin. My take is just as alarming but different.
My intuition is that Putin spoke thus because he has reason to believe that the US or one of its vassals is planning to set off some nukes, probably to raise the stakes for Russia by finally erasing the nuclear threshold. If so, then Putin means exactly what he says, as usual.
For a sober - and sobering - Russian-eye look at Russia's position and Putin's strategy and likely moves, see
http://thesaker.is/week-nine-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria-the-em...
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They will nuke our own cities to drag Russia into this war.
Bingo!
The master stroke for which the American public has been well prepped would be to set off a nuke here, in some dispensible but iconic American city, and then retaliate with a big show of fireworks in the north Arabian Dessert. That would kill many birds with one stone. Among them a final warning to Putin "get out of our patch, you have no idea how crazy we are!"
Putin is warning not just the warlords to back off, but us, the people, to get a grip on them if we still can.
If all we hear is Putin threatening us, then our minde are truly captive and we become just victims along for the final ride off the cliff.
Nuke'em!...The CRIMINALS, started it.
only seen as humanitarian/self preservation
properly applied this can only mean to Nuke D.C. That's where the Criminals that started it live.
No, The City. That's who rules Vichy.
"Nooklar combat toe-to-toe with the Rooskies....."
"We must not allow a mine shaft gap!"
President Mertin Muffley to Premier Kissoff as the B52s are headed to their targets inside Russia, and Kissoff asks the president if this is a friendly phone call:
"Of course it's a friendly call....if it wasn't, you probably wouldn't have received it"
Tactical nuke warheads are unfortunately routine. US calls them "bunker busters". The headline had me wondering if Putin meant leveling whole cities.
I believe the Kalibr missile is not a tactical nuke - it is a strategic nuke. It will level cities. And I think Putin wants the West to understand the risk they are taking.
The Taj Mahal, a muslim mosque, was built upon a leveled, great Hindu temple. The point being to level the temples of the vanquished and build your own upon them. This is the muslim mindset.
What if he did?
Plenty of cities that need levelling just in Saudi.
What better way to inform the inner circle of powerful leaders who are responsible for tightening the noose around Russia's neck for decades that you will not hesitate to use nuclear weapons?
Of course, Putin's unmistakable threat isn't made against this coterie of powerful leaders. No, it's against the mickey mouse group of terrorists that everyone knows the inner circle created, set up and funded. And who probably don't even read what Vladimir Putin has to say.
But the meaning of it, while unwelcome, is not lost on TPTB.
The last Russian threat of this magnitude was a couple of weeks ago when they "accidentally" showed in a video clip of a nuclear torpedo they have been working on for many years and no one knows how many are in their arsenal.
The MSM decided to have a few yuks about it, and the peeps joined right in.
Russia does not bluff. They take action when the opportunity arises. They continue to clearly warn the West of the possible consequences of its actions across the globe, to no avail, as the West considers such warnings not to be real but simply the proclamation of weakness. What the West does not understand about Russia is that it really does consider Syria its existential red line. In the end if Russia is put up agains tthe wall in Syria, it will strike back with great force - so quickly and unexpectedly that NATO, which takes days or weeks to make a decision, will be knocked on their collective rears. It will then be NATO's decision as to nukes as that might be its only option at that point. Russia is saying that when that decision comes, TPTB must understand that Russia will repsond with all its might and without hesitation.
True. Russia does not bluff: Russia Ukraines.
You are right. The only bluffing here is from the neocons in Washington.
Six or seven years ago, those neoconss deluded themselves into believing that they could so disable Russia's response to a Western nuclear first strike, that nary a mote of radiation would befoul their pristine homeland.
Today they have reverted back to latter day mutual-assured destruction, deluding themselves into thinking that it's impossible to go too far in sniping at and injuring Russia, who will never respond with a preemptive nuclear attack.
Ah, the neocons. Who only think of the short term solutions, never the medium or long term. And constantly see their testicles hoist on the petard of reality.
There is absolutely no reason for nukes in the Western World, at this point. How many minutes would the United States or Europe last if their econonmy imploded? Isn't that what ZH is always going on about? EBT cards stopped. Debit cards stopped. 38% of the American population is obese... that's 50 pounds or more overweight... People freak when facebook goes down. We are scaring who? The Russians?
This nation is not 3 meals away from chaos and revolution... it's about 30 minutes.
If/when every country in the world has nukes, will the subject be moot?
Putin is acting wisely. He's not engaging in a war with Turkey as they pretend him to. He's keeping focused on ISIS and so exposing the emperor's new clothes again and again.
CHINA CHINA CHINA where are you...? sitting on the side of the grand chess game wagering who to bet on i suppose, militarily it invites assumptions your army is nothing more than a fake. This would be a perfect time for the chinese to do a live fire training excercise in real battle conditions and gain valuable PR, "China aids in the fight against ISIS" but noooooo, lets not allow world militaries to at least have a pause at our capabilities. The chinese most surely realise the uncomming trend in world geopolitices, if they dont join with RUSSIA and russia falls they are next and not only will they be next they will be a piece of cake.
Or they're waiting for the West to shoot its wad. It doesn't wear a condom, you know.
There are other forms of war than militaries...China is busy with undermining the global dominance of the dollar while its buddy Russia is destroying Zionist dreams of Ersatz Israel.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/02/110223-nuclear-war-winte...
Small Nuclear War Could Reverse Global Warming for Years
And also civilisation...
You boys are so old school deluded that you imagine there are white hats and black hats. There are only rich hats and the rest of us. None of these fuckers are going to do something to collapse shit. Even in the past world wars... "Nicki and Willie" ... for example were writing cousin's letters to each other. Japanese and German mega corporations in WWII? yeah they are still around and run the roost.
Not a single damn one of them will make a jenga move that will collapse what feeds them. It will be some crazy off the wall crazy shit out of left field that really changes up the game. it always is.
You have meddled with the primary forces of nature, Mr Beale, and I won't have it! Is that clear?
You think you merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tide and gravity. It is ecological balance.
You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no Third Worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems. One vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-varied, multi-national dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rands, rubles, pounds and shekels.
It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic, and sub-atomic and galactic structure of things today.
And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature. And you will atone.
Am I getting through to you, Mr Beale?
You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.
What do you think the Russians talk about in their Councils of State? Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, mini-max solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do.
We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bye-laws of of business. The world is a business, Mr Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime.
And our children will live, Mr Beale, to see that ... perfect ... world in which there is no war nor famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company for whom all men will work to serve a common profit. In which all men will hold a share of stock.
All necessities provided. All anxieties tranquilized. All boredom amused.
I am astonished that they allowed that film, Network, to air...
That is the hard core truth.