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Turkey Refuses To Withdraw Troops From Iraq, Threatens To Slap Sanctions On Russia
Last Friday, Turkey invaded Iraq.
That sounds more dramatic than it actually was. Turkey sent around 150 soldiers and two dozens tanks to Bashiqa, just northeast of Mosul in what Ankara described as an effort to replace an existing contingent of around 90 troops that have supposedly been on a “training” mission with the Peshmerga for the better part of two years.
As we documented over the weekend, this is hardly the first time the Turks have entered the country.
However, the circumstances are quite different this time around. That is, this isn't a anti-terror mission aimed at tracking the PKK. Over the weekend, we asked if Turkey was simply trying to protect lucrative oil smuggling routes run by both ISIS and the KRG. On Sunday, an angry Iraq gave Ankara 48 hours to withdraw the troops - or else.
Ok, or else what? Or else Iran’s Shiite militias will hunt them down and kill them according to a statement from Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada. On top of that, at least one influential Shiite politician (the infamous Moktada al-Sadr-linked Hakim al-Zamili) wants PM Abadi to appeal to Moscow for “direct military intervention.”
Baghdad is also set to appeal to the Security Council. But when it comes to being belligerent, Erdogan is right up there with the best of them, which is why we weren’t at all surprised to learn that Turkey is refusing to pull its troops out of Iraq. On Tuesday, the Turkish foreign ministry said that while it would halt the deployment (there are now as many as 300 Turkish boots on the ground at Bashiqa) Ankara would not comply with Baghdad’s demands regarding the withdrawal of the troops and tanks.
“The arrival of a heavily armed Turkish contingent at a camp near the frontline close to the city of Mosul has added yet another controversial deployment to a war against Islamic State that has drawn in most of the world's major powers,” Reuters notes. “Russia, already furious after Turkey shot down one of its jets flying a sortie over Syria last month, said it considered the presence of the Turkish forces in Iraq illegal.”
And Russia is correct. Iraq is a sovereign state and the Turks were most certainly not invited which means that by definition, what Ankara is doing is illegal. Hilariously, Turkey contends that Baghdad did invite them - it’s just that Iraq doesn’t remember doing it. "Training at this camp began with the knowledge of the Iraqi Defence Ministry and police," Turkish PM Ahmet Davutoglu says. Iraq says no such agreement exists.
Still more absurd is Davutoglu’s contention that it is in fact Baghdad who's being “provocative.” "Those who make different interpretations of the Turkish military presence in Mosul are involved in deliberate provocation," he claims.
So breaking that down, Turkey deploys 300 troops and 21 tanks to a sovereign country without that country’s permission, then tries to claim that the “host” country agreed to the deployment even if they don’t recall doing so, and finally, when the country that was invaded cries foul, they are being “provocative.” It doesn’t get much more ridiculous than that.
Meanwhile, Davutoglu also suggested that Ankara may impose sanctions on Russia in retaliation for the raft of measures announced by The Kremlin late last month. "We are ready for talks and every kind of exchange of ideas with Russia but will never allow anything to be dictated to us. In the face of Russia's sanctions, we will implement our own sanctions if we regard it necessary,” the PM warned.
Again, this is a bizarre attempt to pretend as though Turkey is somehow the victim. It was Turkey that shot down a Russian plane, not the other way around. When Ankara suggests that The Kremlin is trying to “dictate” Turkish affairs with the imposition of retaliatory economic sanctions, Turkey is effectively pretending Putin just decided out of the clear blue to cut lucrative trade ties with no provocation whatsoever. A message to Davutoglu: when you shoot down someone's aircraft, you should expect a response. It's not an attempt to "dictate" anything. It's an attempt to let you know that you can't simply blow planes out of the sky with impunity.
Finally, just to make sure he covered all the bases, Davutoglu lashed out at Iran, saying that if certain “attitudes continue, the traditional Turkey-Iran friendship will suffer great harm.” “I know the Russian and Iranian people do not share this hostile stance of their leaders towards Turkey,” he added.
As Reuters notes, it’s not entirely clear what “attitudes” he’s referring to, but we’d guess the PM’s comments have something to do with the series of statements we highlighted on Monday evening incuding this, from Iranian diplomat and analyst Seyed Hadi Afghahi:
“It is important to point out a few key points. Firstly, it is important to understand whether it is sure that the purchase by Turkey of Daesh’s stolen oil was carried out with the full knowledge of President Erdogan, his son and son in law. The reaction of Erdogan and Turkish authorities can say one thing: they were stunned and shocked that Moscow has such evidence. This significantly affected the position of Turkey's NATO allies."
Speaking of Turkey's "NATO allies", one has to believe that the only reason Erdogan has been able to get away with the troop deployment in Iraq is because Turkey is a member of the alliance. If Russia had simply sent 300 marines to Mosul and rolled in 25 tanks against Baghdad's wishes, the Western powers would have lost their minds.
Unsurprisingly, the KRG is remaining "neutral". Here's Rudaw:
"Before, there were agreements between Turkey and Baghdad and local authorities of Mosul over training (Sunni) Arab volunteers to be well-prepared for an anticipated battle for Mosul," Kurdish President Masoud Barzani told Rudaw.
"The Kurdistan region is not part of the problem. I will discuss this topic in Turkey tomorrow and we will also talk to Baghdad," he added. "If Turkish troops came to fight ISIS, it would be good."
Of course it would also "be good" for the KRG if Turkish troops came to protect the illicit crude trade which is the lifeblood of Barzani's government and pays the Peshmerga's salaries.
As for what comes next, here's Peshmerga commander Hazhar Omer:
“Iraq will probably turn to the United Nations to file a complaint against Turkey than use military force to evict the Turkish force stationed in Bashik now."
Once again, given Turkey's status as NATO member, don't expect the Security Council to be much help, as Russian objections will largely fall on deaf ears - and we all know what happens when diplomatic channels fail...
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Turkish Deja-voodoo ;-)
Looney
Putin - Time to No Fly Zone Their Ass! At least Turkey got a 48 hr warning. The Russian jets were knocked out of the sky in 17 seconds. Blow their shit up. Pay back is a bitch, and they got it coming. Blame it on the Americans, and act dumb like they do.
Putin should just drop some VX all over those bastards. But paint the shells / missile markings in Iraqi army colors.
Really start fucking with Turkey's head.
Erdogan is cruisin’ for a bruisin’
He might get it from multiple directions..
His citizenry might get fed up.
His military might get fed up.
Russia might get fed up.
When push come to shove, Russia might get its way because I do not believe that 2/3’s of the NATO members would risk nuclear annihilation in order satisfy the evil empire’s mad designs in MENA.
And they know damn well that the psychopath NATO leadership’s vilification of Russia is wholly unjustified.
Once broke Turkey falls, who will the US/Israel then get to be its ME bitch? Qatar? lmao
Running out of contestants.....
Remember that America place it's missile shield in Turkey.
And nukes.
And that Turkey controls the black sea and Russia doesn't have that many port connections.
This is a propaganda war. Turkey is attempting to create a situation that the west can then use to escalate involvement. They just need some base material to work with so they can spin and craft some kind of narrative. Russia hasn't been going along and has simply been avoiding kinetic conflict (with Turkey and the US) and simply exposing them on the global stage.
This is making Obama look like a real idiot, despite all the spin. I don't think Turkey and the US can continue to do this forever without repercussions, which is likely Russia's strategy.
Maybe they will get desperate in the end and attack themselves and blame it on Russia...
Regards,
Cooter
Good comments, but it doesn’t that much to expose that Obama is an idiot.. in all 57 states.
99.5% of climate scientists agree.
You actually think Obama is the one running things around here?
"... and Russia doesn't have that many port connections."
suggesting the war, when it comes, will be quick and NON-CONVENTIONAL
It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced.
All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!
http://motivationdose.com/electromagnetic-pulse-attack-emp-blackout-usa-...
Ever seen what a string 25 Megaton bombs on a penetrators could do to clear out a channel through Turkey?
Russia has an entire regiment of those very missles ready to go and aimed at NORAD. Just a target retask and go.
Every Russian naval vessel has NBC seals as well.
Going, going, gone.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u.s.-pulling-missile-defense-batteries...
By the way, Germany also pulled it's defensive batteries out. What impeccable timing, as if they all knew in advance.
Security Council ignores Baghdad. Baghdad calls Moscow. Turk emplacement gets bombed. Iraq says 'We told you so!'. Putin chuckles. Terdogan loses his shit...then?
Then ISIS moves North, one step closer to Europe.
Closer into artillery range.
The only country that can end the crisis in Syria is China, and the only reason China can wade in with authority is because until now China has been neutral.
With everybody following Uncle Scams orders to gang up on Russia, that would even things up a bit.
"Putin should just drop some VX all over those bastards. But paint the shells / missile markings in U.S. Army colors."
Fixed it for ya.
Turkey has already shot down its first and last Russian jet over Syria. At a time of Putin's choosing, he will send a Russian jet to the edge of Turkish airspace. The instant Turkey scrambles F-16s to intercept, they will be targeted by the state-of-the-art S400 air defense system now deployed in Syria.
Poof. No more F-16s. It's coming...
Not much of a chess player is that Putin fellow. It is very cheap to deliver the S400 to Russia's base in Syria but he did not bother. No expense and a lot of protection, just in case. But Putin did not forsee any of it. Totally unprepared.
Just the other day NATO flew jets right into Syria and bombed a Syrian military base with complete disregard for the S400's. At this point it is more likely that Turkey will shoot down a Russian jet with a surface to air missile. That is will be Putin too afraid to fly close to Turkey.
Why is Putin afraid to bomb the Turkish regulars who have taken a position within Syria?
The opportunity is slipping from Putin rapidly. The moment will have been lost. Turkey has boots in Syria already and when NATO does Putin's effort is finished due to his own fears.
In the meanwhile, is it Poland who is asking NATO to put nuke in their country to defend against Russia? They the others close to Russia's borders will do the same.
I would like a link the info about NATO flew jets into Syria and bombed a Syrian military base.......and Putin not a chess player? NATO is pissing themselves afraid of being drawn into a war started by Turkey.........
Your mind works differently doesn't it?
You are kidding right? Please read the artcles on ZH the last couple days.
It is evident that you are far from the mind.
13 weeks...........and this is your analysis? WOW!
Holy shit, what a misery, these ukrobots...
I'm new here, so please excuses my language. But Turkey wouldn't take a shit without US appoval. I know Russians and their mentality, and this will end badly for all of us.
"Images show Turkey is covertly constructing airbase in northern Iraq"
"Turkey Sets Up ISIS Airbase Outside Mosul"
"US Building Military Airbase in Northeastern Syria"
"Confirmed: U.S. are illegally and without U.N. mandate occupying a civil airport in Northeastern Syria, to build a military base for the U.S. Air Forces"
Time to send in "The Donald" to get this stuff sorted out..... It would be a Yuuuuuugggge boost to his foreign policy credentials.
One side is doing a lot of doing the other side is doing a lot of talking and some doing. Which is which.
Turkey also has positioned troops in Syria. After shooting down Putin's jet.
But the Putin fan club refuses to see actual events. Always with the Don't Poke the Bear, Putin's Is Gonna Do Something Now!!! But it never happens. Then the Putin fans say that Putin's inaction is a sign of a master chess player. Then that they say his inaction is due to concern for mankind and to avoid possible war. Then they say it is due to not having any choice because Russia cannot win.
Once Again, here we are. Putin does it or not. When Putin began bombing Russia took the advantage and momentum, now you can already feel that his opponents have taken the momentum and Putin is being boxed out. You knew there was weakness when Putin had to do photo opps with him riding a horse without a shirt and in his judo outfit.
SO, Putin fans tells us more about what scary Putin may do, is gonna do now, is gonna do next year, has drawn another red line and will hold this one,
Lol criminal thug beating his warcrimes as success and challenging others. Empire of Chaos in action.
Ukrainians peculiar perception through emotions to the detriment of elementary logic and common sense.
If it makes you feel any better, its just software, not a real person. Would explain the inability to think for itself. Its programed software.
"Images show Turkey is covertly constructing airbase in northern Iraq"
"Turkey Sets Up ISIS Airbase Outside Mosul"
And what, pray tell, is Russia DOING about it? Besides playing Pat-A-Cake with its US "Partners".
Time to drop a FOAB, to demonstrate its effect in the Theater of War, and to bring that Turkish cur Erdogan to heel. If you want people to know that you're not "fucking around", then stop fucking around with Queensbury punches.
Your namesake, the real Kirk used guile and patience, brute force almost never seemed to work for him.
"(Don't) use the force Luke."
[I know I'm mixing franchises, it just worked out that way.] ;)
Turkey slap sanctions on Russia?
Turkey controls the drug trade east to west; there is plenty of dope in Russia.
No more hairy bushed women for you comrads!
Stir that pot, the globalists need a good war to distract everyone from the shitstew they've made out of the global economy! Added benefit is the price climb they can goose for oil, you know, to keep the local wahabi terrorist-trainers in business.
The Turks are stoooopid - which means they are dangerous.
Protip: don't keep islamists in NATO.
Seems Turkey is trying to do again a Cyprus (like in 1974 it occupied Northern Cyprus to "protect" the turkish minority there and NATO did nothing to stop what was an actual war between its two member countries - Greece and Turkey). Now the aim is perhaps to bite off pieces of Iraq and Syria and declare some "independemt" puppet state.
Yeah they'll call it Kurdistan - it will be israel and Turkey's newly created bestest friend
The aim is to ship Turkish Kurds to a new Kurdish state formed from lands
in Syria and Northern Iraq.Its a twofer for Erdogan and suits Israel and the US
just fine,by destabilizing the remaing area forever.
As the Polish are fond of saying, "The jew cries out in pain, as he hits you."
If life, business, politics and PR teaches us anything, it's that feminine modes of Passive Aggressive work better than masculine Open Aggressive methods.
That is because (a) Most people are simpletons, and (b) Simpletons can grasp Overt/Obvious better than Covert/Subtle. Even on ZH we see this all the time.
Turkey refuses to leave???
Nothing that a few well placed bombs and missiles couldnt solve!
Bomb the bastards THEN bomb the excape route back to Turkey!
"Kill all they send until they stop coming" ........some movie about another imperialist success story
Truth: The first casualty of war.
Not the last, though.
...this is all just beginning. A good old-fashion spat leading to advanced sabre rattling.
Long popcorn?
blah,blah,blah.....just like the stock market
this game of war positioning and talk
just keeps going on and on.....and on
Anyone else who read this, checked the background and thought, "The Turkish government is actually mentally ill"?
Turkey has always been the first line of defense against the middle east for Europe. And Russia has a bad history fighting the turks in the past.
So unless they use nukes, that could be a very long and expensive war for Russia.
Not really SD. War is no longer what it used to be. Putin can, in coordination with Iran, shut off natural gas to Turkey, a cheaper option than a potential violent war. This would make natgas prices skyrocket in Turkey, in the middle of the winter, causing a popular uprising in Turkey. They can, with the Syrian and Iraqi government, establish a DMZ in northers Syria and Iraq, shutting down all commerce, specifically all oil transfers to Turkey. This would shut down the Erdogan's family primary source of revenue, Daesh and Kurdish oil. They can finance a revolt inside of Turkey, on the DL, sparking a civil war in Turkey.
There are many options that would be much more effective at screwing Erdogan.
"The Turkish government is actually mentally ill"?
Leaving amateur psychoanalysis aside, and using Realpolitik, it is more useful to realize and deal with the high probability that Turkey is merely the Agent/Proxy for the Globalist will of the US and Israel regimes.
Even so, Russia can and should deal with and dispense with them effectively and swiftly, w/o getting dragged into a direct war (where they attack Turkish soil). There's NOTHING to prevent them from exterminating the Turkish cockroaches that are outside its borders, and acting as Enemy Combatants or as extensions or proxies for ISIS.
As I said before... If it were me, I'd sink the Turkish oil tankers just before they enter the National waters of the receiving country. Then the receiving country can deal with the mess: (a) Oil on their faces, and (b) Oil on their beaches. "Petro-Tan: It's the new Black".
Putin: “How do you like me now? Oil be seeing you around.”
It would be a good test of Russian long range missiles and it would scare the shit out of NATO! It would make great war porn!
Turkey has plenty of soldiers and a international draft for turks.
I guess nato can sacrifice them and give them the toys to play the game.
Sounds like NATO is getting more desperate in their attemps to make war with Russia.
Better stock up on that emergency supply of Vodka... the new Cuban sigar...
One would think that iraq/russia would take-out the roadways.
Turkey's airspace is violated. Warnings were sent repeatedly without response. Missile hits jet; jet explodes. Russia contends that the jet did not violate Turkey's airspace. Economic sanctions taken against Turkey. Better option than a shooting war.
Turkey has had a military presence in the Kurdish Province for more than two years. Baghdad has been quiet; while ISIL battles Iraqi forces and capture territory. Turkey moves additional forces into the Province with the approval of the Provincial Government. Baghdad realizes that Turkey may have an ulterior motive for a military presence. Baghdad protests, claiming that Turkey has not been invited into Iraq.
It sounds like all parties are "playing" politics as usual. Posturing to justify their positions in the region.
So is the pay by word count or post count? I'm assuming you're intelligent enough to know you are spinning oligarch propaganda so I'm also guessing you are paid. If not, you might want to do a bit more research...
How do you send multiple warnings that go without a response in 17 seconds? Not only that but, the normal sequence of events is not to shoot down a foreign jet entering your airspace for 17 seconds, the normal sequence is to record the event and file a formal diplomatic complaint. The Russian bombers were not heading to Ankara or Istanbul, nor were they in any way presenting a hostile profile. Russia and Turkey are not in a state of war. How can any one justify that action?
What a retard troll
So, how is the weather in Tel Aviv? Sunny with a chance of war?
Lolshto? What are the substances sits the author of your textbooks?
If you cross our border for 17 seconds, we shoot you down, but if we plant our asses inside your country, NEENER, NEENER, NEENER, you can't do anything to us or our NATO sisters will be forced to intervene to protect us!
All the Turks I have ever known were some bad-ass mofos...they don't deserve this pussy leadership.
Let's see if it occurs to any of the msm flak runners to remind Barky about this:
Obama: 'Turkey has the right to defend its airspace'http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34915752
Erdogan is obviously playing to the hardliners who make up his core support. The big question for me is where U.S./NATO support begins and ends. This situation gets more convoluted by the day, yet Russia's position remains solid and stands the test of logic and consistency.
As for sanctions, this is one area where Turkey has few options other than getting more gas from Qatar, which presents major logistics challenges. The next few weeks will be interesting.
Turkey is doing NATO's work. Shooting down the Russian jet is just what American polticians had been demanding for weeks. Turkey relies on NATO as it's security blanket, a big brother who enables the little brother to bully people and know his security is covered.
So now Turkey takes another step that NATO and Washington has been crying out for, NATO troops inside Iraq and Syria. Turkey just made the first move.
All this is designed to provoke Russia to act against Turkey, who can then cry "we are attacked" call in the NATO treaty and thus allow for any and all military act by NATO in Iraq and Syria.
Washington and the EU both want to invade, they just find it hard to justify. Turkey is being the helpful one here, trying to jolt Russia into a reponse. Imagine Russia knocked dow a Turkish plane over Turkey. What would be wrold response in NATO and the slavinsh western media?
Russia needs to avoid reacting. But to quietly supply Iraq with what it needs to bloody Turkey's nose in a serious way. Like Iraq could use it's army to eject Turks. Simply pull up a half dozen TOS-1 Multiple rocket launchers. The Turks would either have to run, or launch air attacks, making Turkey an aggressive attacker. Iraq has TOS-1's and uses them against high value ISIS targets.
Exactly. Turkey is being used as a bait to suck Russia into hot-war against NATO.
The future battle space is being shaped and Russia will need to bolster the strength of its allies. Without China's support, I don't feel Russia can cover the same ground NATO, forcing them to choose direct battles carefully. Of course, the situation in Iraq becomes more tenuous as even the "good guy" Kurds are looking more and more suspect.
Hi JackB. Always a pleasure reading your Russian-Nato analyses.
" Simply pull up a half dozen TOS-1 Multiple rocket launchers. The Turks ...", exactly my 1st thought too.
Roasted-tükeii Turkeys soon on the Xmas/New Years Menu. The Russian Orthodox Xmas "Rozhdestvo Khristovo " is on the 7th of January. Let's see what happens then.
btw, Things aren't as bad as you think here in Sweden. Sure it's gotton worse, but the BACKLASH has come and I'm sure we who love Sweden will not go down without a fight.
MVH/Med Vänliga Hälsningar X-
Yes, russia must avoid a hasty response.
Needs to allow nato to wear itself out.
Cost has been high for nato.
I concur; and +1000 on that post.
Outside of the Italian Politician and USA's Congressman Rohrabacher, has anyone noted of other comments/demands by NATO and/or EU Member Politicians/Citizen Groups calling for the Erdogan Familiy Coalition's or TRK's ouster(from NATO and/or EU(Membership Request Denied Permanently)?
It's obvious that Europe, or at least the G20 Members of the North and Western Regions, probably can't afford to pay for the financial burden involved in hosting a massive Refugee Migration or an Immigration Wave of unskilled people. Add that there are sufficient complaints in DEU regarding Immigrants who don't "assimilate" or learn the language, it simply may be better to review Immigration Plans; and issue out Residency/Work/Education Permits based on "How such an arrangement would benefit Native Germans(or Insert Country_Name) and Germany".
I think that the adage, "Tall fences make for good neighbers" apply quite often. Those who don't assimilate well should be given incentives to return (or go somewhere similar/near their country of origin). We know there are factions who want to Islamify Europe and the Americas (I've seen a clip a few years ago from one Imam who wants USA to be an Islamic Country in 'Fifty Years' time); and I don't think that's going to go over well. IIRC, CHE, has been flooded by Catholic Immigrants for 40 Years since Immigration Restrictions from Catholics/Catholic Countries were loosened. CHE's Demographics has tilted in the favor of the Catholics in some regions - raising a few eyebrows from the Protestants.
theselying scumbag Turks are our allies? who needs enemies?
If Russians bomb Turks on whatever pretext, Turkey may regard such action as an act of war and close the Turkish straits for Russian ships. What Turkey is doing is a deliberate provocation in order to try to suck Putin into this trap, which I believe he won't fall into, exactly like he didn't fall into Ukrainian trap.
Erdogan is not doing this because his a NATO member he's doing this because he's simply crazy.
' Hilariously, Turkey contends that Baghdad did invite them - it’s just that Iraq doesn’t remember doing it. "Training at this camp began with the knowledge of the Iraqi Defence Ministry and police," Turkish PM Ahmet Davutoglu says. '
If you entered Iraq because you were invited, why would you refuse to leave when you are asked?
I ain't buying that lame-ass explanation.
Turkey needs...
A) regime change, with Erdogan receiving the "Mussolini treatment" https://www.pinterest.com/pin/482377810061409574/
B) dissolution and division into smaller states (Kurdistan, et al).
I'm sick of these guys.
Time to release the Topol's.
Addendum:
Where the HECK is China in all of this!?
I am less and less certain China will actually side with Russia. Their long term ambitions put them more at odds with Russia in terms of direct geopolitics. Replacing the dollar and pushing the U.S. Out of Asia are short term objectives on the Chinese timeline. Seizing farmland, mines and resources in the sparsely populated areas of Mongolio and Russia seem to be in the 25-50 year plan.
Warren Pollack has always stated WWIII would see the U.S., Russia and Itan take on China, SA and Turkey. I am begging to wonder if he may just be correct.
Right you are killz.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2015/07/15-china-russia-roman...
The one thing in the above article that is puzzling: "...contain the US.." The US is like the late 1960s/early 1970s serial on AFR
"ChickenMan": He's everywhere! He's everywhere! That would be tantamount to saying that an island is attempting to contain the oceans.
The Chinese annexation of much of Siberia is most likely a Russian problem. Putin alienates everyone and has no friends...except Assad!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha And maybe Fidel Castro.
I don't necessarily doubt a short term alliance with Russia, but do not see Russia and China walking off into the sunset together either. To China, this is all about business. They are increasing ties with countries like SA and Qatar, which makes their role in the ME murky.
laying low reading Sun Tzu - The Art of War
Chinese soldiers on manuevers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOECyf3_zTg
Minding their own business until the Muzzies pop a few Chinamen. Then they will get involved.
What I want to know is, where is Israel in all of this? Haven't heard anything from these jokers.
What I want to know is, where is Israel in all of this? Haven't heard anything from these jokers.
just show iraq what button to push
Also big rumors that saudi troops are in northern iraq with the turks
Strange 'reporting' on this... again. ISIL HQ is Mosul. Yet ZH act's as thought it's a great mystery why Turkey has stationed troops there. They're protecting the leadership in the belief that Russia won't dare to bomb them as long as they have Turkish troops standing guard.
"Oeps, sorry. We missed." will Putin say in a couple of days/hours.
if this is the case
Putin should immediately roll 50 tanks and 3000 Russian marines into Donbas and tell NATO's numbnuts that when Turkey exits Iraq, he will pull the recently arrived Russians out of Donbas.
EXACTLY! Up the ante such that the next bid will be US/UK supply of Ukriane w/ lethal aid!
200 TOW missiles would match-up well w/ those 50 tanks! Widowmakers!!!
More suddenly single mothers looking for marriage on Babushkasforlove.com!
I love it when the checklist from the old CIA playbook falls into place.
Another tough keyboard warrior.
Laughter on a stick, every couch shit considers himself expert analytic.
You must be a very old man, Vlad, to want to see a nuclear exchange. No children or middle aged children you don't like along with their hideous spouses.
And are you such an uneducated man to think Putin and Russia is going to put up with all the crap the US has dished out since Bush quit the ABM treaty?
Or maybe you know somebody who knows somebody who knows Noodleman and she says Russian weapons are crap. They don't work. Not to worry" the Noodle told your friend. "Especially about the nuclear torpedo. BLUFFING. All hype and spin."
"We'll take out those 50 tanks and and extradite Putin to Pelican Bay'.
"We're not just the neocons, we're the jewocons. And I'm the Mother of all jewocons. I rule."
Nothing to see here; move along. Simple superpower regional geopolitics: https://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical-diary/middle-eastern-balance-power...
Iran--Saudi--Turkey.
So would immediately and said that the meaning of what is happening you don't understand.
Turn off that fucking gas to Turkey, you Turkey.
They are not afraid because they are in NATO. And went even as far as shooting plane. I say Russia directly attack Turkey - at least those in Iraq. Lets see if NATO wont be afraid to respond. If not, I propose direct nuclear strike on some key NATO members that would attack Russia in response. Then we will see who is afraid more!
"The Dönmeh rise to power in Turkey
Although known to historians and religious experts, the centuries-old political and economic influence of a group known in Turkish as the “Dönmeh” is only beginning to cross the lips of Turks, Arabs, and Israelis who have been reluctant to discuss the presence in Turkey and elsewhere of a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th centuries. These Jewish refugees from Spain were welcomed to settle in the Ottoman Empire and over the years they converted to a mystical sect of Islam that eventually mixed Jewish Kabbala and Islamic Sufi semi-mystical beliefs into a sect that eventually championed secularism in post-Ottoman Turkey.
Some texts suggest that the Dönmeh numbered no more than 150,000 and were mainly found in the army, government, and business. However, other experts suggest that the Dönmeh may have represented 1.5 million Turks and were even more powerful than believed by many and extended to every facet of Turkish life. One influential Donmeh, Tevfik Rustu Arak, was a close friend and adviser to Ataturk and served as Turkey’s Foreign Minister from 1925 to 1938.
Ataturk, who was reportedly himself a Dönmeh, ordered that Turks abandon their own Muslim-Arabic names. The name of the first Christian emperor of Rome, Constantine, was erased from the largest Turkish city, Constantinople. The city became Istanbul, after the Ataturk government in 1923 objected to the traditional name. There have been many questions about Ataturk’s own name, since “Mustapha Kemal Ataturk” was a pseudonym. Some historians have suggested that Ataturk adopted his name because he was a descendant of none other than Rabbi Zevi, the self-proclaimed Messiah of the Dönmeh! Ataturk also abolished Turkey’s use of the Arabic script and forced the country to adopt the western alphabet.
Modern Turkey: a secret Zionist state controlled by the Dönmeh"
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/node/242
I'd really like to see some stuff which compares the Dönmeh sect with the Ashkenazi tribe, which itself has many roots in Turkey by way of Turkics who migrated to Khazaria.
Perhaps we are beginning to discover that current day judaism has its roots in Turkey (!!) and has no right to describe itself as "semitic".
Genesis 10 2-5
You are generally right about the Donmeh, but I have to tell you that the modern names for Constantinople - Istanbul and Stamboul - are simply dialectal variants. Over centuries, the original Greek name was slurred into the current name - just like Alexandria became Iskanderun; and Smyrna, Izmir; and Adrianople, Edirne. It happens all over the world. In Australia there's a city called Air Delight, which was named after a British Queen. It's still spelt Adelaide, but pronounced Air Delight. Go figure.
Typical armenian or moslim conspiracy lie.
Like the jews were led out of captivity from Egypt by Moses, so were the turks given a chance out of captivity of islam/caliphate (7th and last beast kingdom). Ataturk is a God chosen person. How do you think he survived such a war in frontline, his whole life on horseback in the battle fields, against all odds? Then he built a republic and made such impossible reforms, 180 degree opposite of islam towards true civilisation? This has nothing to do with "jews" or "pseudo jews". This is all about real turks, bound free from islamic enslavement.
Ataturk is a REAL turk, not a donmeh, which is a dirty word chosen to disgrace Ataturk.
Turks took to rescuse themselves who were attacked from every direction from a dead and occupied carcas of the ottoman empire. Most turks died in WW1. Left over (say the current population's grandparents) is a mixture of arab-turk or kurdish-arab-turks etc. Most real turks died in the war. That's why the arab DNA cihadi rape victim turk offspring currently in anatolia has chosen to be part of the "ummah" (moslim identity as defing glue and identity) rather than Ataturk's envisioned turkish nationalism.
Ataturk has abolished the caliphate.
Ataturk has removed arab alphabet; (devil/sepent snake imitating writing type)(same as snake imitating arabic belly dancers)(same as the snake like curved sound coming from minarets) /all devoted to the serpent's curving nature.
Ataturk removed the "allah" word, which is not translation for "god", but is a literal name of the pagan moon godess. He used "Tanri", the turkish "father God" as Jingiz Khan's writings reveal. The same father God as Jesus is mentioning in the Bible, as in the Nestorian doctrine. Tengriism is Nestorianism (Mary is not a mother of God as catholics say, but just a human, only the mother of Christ). Turkish nestorian scripts were found in old gokturk writing, which show parts of the Bible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengrism#Nestorianism_and_Tengriism. Reaching from Persia until within todays China.
Thanks to Ataturk, minaretts of mosques called to prayer in turkish language, no more in arabic. No more "Allah" but "Tanri" was called upon. Ataturk's prayers on his death bed were conducted in turkish language and in the name of Tanri.
Woman were freed. No more oppression by islam. The 1st woman pilot was from Turkish republic.
Unfortuantely, unlike the jews, turks decided to go back and die for allah. Because there are no pure blood turks left in anatolia who could form a nation. A real turk is like Ataturk, peace loving (peace in the country, peace in the world), freedom loving God's chosen person, hard working, honest, intelligent. None of these attributes are seen in current population in Turkey. They all voted to the biggest liar, in economic self interest. They never use "Tanri", but all use "allah" every second in their mouths. There are almost 100,000 mosques built today. Turks are ethnically and culturally devoured by the beast. Which has also started eating up Europe and the USA. So you are next!
Turks have rejected God's last chance to be free. They allied themsleves (again) with the devil to submit as slaves.
As the Bible states, Ataturk's rebublic is NOT part of the beast kingdom. Yet after just a short space, the 7th beast kingdom that was, will continue as the 8th, which is not the 7th but is of the 7th. This prophecy is now fulfilled.
Ach. Turkey invades Iraq EVERY Friday, just around sundown, when the prayers are ended and its time to kick back with some beers and chicks. Iraq has always been looser with the booze than other neighbouring Islamic countries.
A sect of crypto-Jews, descendants of the followers of Shabbethai ?ebi, living to-day mostly in Salonica, European Turkey: the name (Turkish) signifies "apostates." "
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5278-donmeh
Sounds like a reasonable strategy - appeal to the UN to establish the moral high ground, then hit the Turkish troops in Iraq with everything you have. And since no body can tell 'which air force' attacked the Syrian army - Turkey will be unable to prove that Russia helped. Thus th claim can be that it was an Iraqi attack.
I feel sorry for the upcoming Turkish widows.
R2p Russian style. Watch that harpy Samantha Power's head explode
From Jerusalem Post itself: The-emergence-of-Turkeys-hidden-Jews
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/The-emergence-of-Turkeys-hidden-...
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-...
"Israel has always been reluctant to describe the Turkish massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 as “genocide.” It has always been believed that the reason for Israel’s reticence was not to upset Israel’s close military and diplomatic ties with Turkey. However, more evidence is being uncovered that the Armenian genocide was largely the work of the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks. Historians like Ahmed Refik, who served as an intelligence officer in the Ottoman army, averred that it was the aim of the Young Turks to destroy the Armenians, who were mostly Christian. The Young Turks, under Ataturk’s direction, also expelled Greek Christians from Turkish cities and attempted to commit a smaller-scale genocide of the Assyrians, who were also mainly Christian.
One Young Turk from Salonica, Mehmet Talat, was the official who carried out the genocide of the Armenians and Assyrians. A Venezuelan mercenary who served in the Ottoman army, Rafael de Nogales Mendez, noted in his annals of the Armenian genocide that Talat was known as the “renegade Hebrew of Salonica.” Talat was assassinated in Germany in 1921 by an Armenian whose entire family was lost in the genocide ordered by the “renegade Hebrew.” It is believed by some historians of the Armenian genocide that the Armenians, known as good businessmen, were targeted by the business-savvy Dönmeh because they were considered to be commercial competitors."
Its always about sore armenian whining!
http://i-cias.com/e.o/assyrian_gc.htm
Thank you for mentioning my people the Assyrians
My grandmother lost her entire family other than her sister.
Men were bayoneted. Women marched into the desert to die. kurds did the wet work
Too bad my "cousins" in Iraq were for the Iraq War. Now they have been made extinct in their homelands. I warned them it would come to this
Davie Toe-Glue is sticking to his story.
and there is a 20 billion russia turkey nuke plant deal and and and
After shooting down Russia airplane after 17 seconds violation of Turkish sovereignty, as they baselessly claim, they violated Iraqi sovereignty for more than a month now. What hypocrisy. However, this provocative behavior resembles what Hitler did in 1938-39 which followed by invasion of Austrians, Czechs and Poles. Prepare for invasion of Turks in Syria and perhaps Iraq in support of ISIL against Russia and with tacit support of NATO claiming defense of the “aggressor”. Here is your defensive NATO alliance in all its murderous glory.
SAA has been already attacked by British/Qatari warplanes flying from Iraq and through Saudis and Jordan. Just few minutes after so-called air rocket attack, ISIL fighters commenced an assault on their own and tried to break through SAA defense lines.
it was done for plausible deniability by the US in the area just 80 miles from the border and US was directing it. Another stage of escalation of war, a provocation to force Russians to close the airspace completely.
More on the Syrian war can be found here:
https://syrianwarupdate.wordpress.com/
Is turkey really in a position to "slap sanctions on" anyone? What does Turkey have that even remotely resembles hegemony? The Borsphorus Strait and the Dardanelles - and closing them would set off a shit storm that just may result in the next Russo annexation. Yeah - that's pretty far-fetched, but the point is Turkey doesn't have the balls or the backup to take such a drastic measure.
"Sanctions" - yeah they've been working really well against Russia and Iran so far.
The only recourse Turkey may have is to purchase more Gas from Nigeria and Qatar and reduce dependence on Russia. Obviously, this presents logistical challenges and good luck getting a good price if Russia were to just cut off supplies and leave Turkey desperate. I see some very desperate efforts on the part of Erdogan to cling to power. When the sting of Russia's sanctions set in, he will be a marked man and an expendable liability for ZATO.
russia should show its willingness to use a nuke on the battlefield. A small tactical nuke capable of taking out a couple blocks(nothing major of course) or using a "father of all bombs" thermo bomb will get everyones attention, that they RUSSIA are not afraid of using nukes on the battlefield to deal with small disturbances.
Sadly, that would only play into ZATO's narrative of Russia being the biggest threat, etc. Truth is, sad as it is, Russia knows Iraq is still the US's problem Anbar north. Putin will likely double down efforts to secure Syria and expand forces there, while also putting more assets in Armenia and Tajikstan. I think Putin feels the best poison is that which your enemies willingly drink on their own.
Aren't you worse than ISIS??? You are cheering for thermo bombs and nukes on 80 million people in Turkey for what? Because they shot down a plane violating their airspace? Why the hell did your mum ever give birth to such evil filth!
PUTIN, JUST DROP THE BOMB ALREADY!
I'm sure, Turkey will cry "UNCLE" then
Where the fuck is china to even the playong field? Other than they dont interfere with sovereign nations have they said anything about this cluster fuck?
And dropping the bomb would be counter productive i would say. Once one drops others are sure to follow, not a rational thing for putin to do at all!
Invaded?? With 21 tanks? Wow. I am just laughing zerohedge. They are planning to complain to UN??? Barzani is visiting Ankara next week :) what are you guys imagining its amazing
Instead of 300 pair of Turkish boots on the ground, Vlad should send some Su-24 to make them 300 pairs of boots underground
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