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FT Bombshell: EU Unveils Standing Border Force That Will Act "Even If A Government Objects"

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Last weekend we wrote that in Europe's attempt to contain the greatest refugee crisis since WWII, it would directly take control over the border control of the one country which over the summer lost its sovereignty (but at least it still has the euro), and which serves as a springboard for tens of thousands of migrants to proceed onward with their journey to Germany (where as reported earlier, they are no longer desired, as their continued arrival results in a plunging approval rating for Angela Merkel).

We added that the deployment of additional officers will begin next week, and noted that as our friends at Keep Talking Greece wrote:

"the masks have fallen. Hand in hand, the European Union and the Frontex want to cancel national sovereignty and take over border controls in the pretext of “safeguarding the Schengen borders”. With controversial claims, they use the case of Greece to create an example that could soon happen “in the border area near you.”  And the plan is all German."

Finally, we asked whether this was merely Paranoia...

"or just another confirmation that the Eurozone is using every incremental, and produced, crisis to cement its power over discrete European state sovereignty and wipe out the cultural and religious borders the prevent the amalgamation of Europe into a Brussels, Berlin and Frankfurt-controlled superstate? "

It was not paranoia, because according to blockbuster FT report released moments ago, "Brussels is to propose the creation of a standing European border force that could take control of the bloc’s external frontiers even if a government objected."

As even the otherwise pro-EU FT cautiously notes, "The move would arguably represent the biggest transfer of sovereignty since the creation of the single currency."

We agree, because this is precisely what we said would happen.

... the European Commission will unveil plans next week to replace the Frontex border agency with a permanent border force and coastguard — deployed with the final say of the commission, according to EU officials and documents seen by the Financial Times.

 

The blueprint represents a last-ditch attempt to save the Schengen passport-free travel zone, by introducing the kind of common border policing repeatedly demanded by Paris and Berlin. Britain and Ireland have opt-outs from EU migration policy, and would not be obliged to take part in the scheme.

Naturally, the first guniea pig wil be Greece: the state which has already lost its sovereignty courtesy of capital controls that will likely persist in some form in perpetuity, and which is most distressed and thus least equipped to say no. It will spread from there and promptly become the norm for a "project" which the European apparatchiks think is long overdue.

Indeed, as the FT adds, "European leaders have discussed a common border force for more than 15 years, but always struggled to overcome deep-seated objections to yielding national powers to monitor or enforce borders — one of the core functions of a sovereign state. Greece, for instance, only recently agreed to accept EU offers to send border teams, after months of wrangling over their remit."

However now in the aftermath of the Paris suicide bombings and the indefinite emergency "pre-crime" laws instituted in France, conventional wisdom in Brussels is that Europeans' eagerness to trade sovereignty (and thus liberty) in exchange for (border) security, is far greater.

The result: a loss of border sovereignty, which woul effectively make the customs union one big superstate controlled by Brussels:

One of the most contentious elements of the regulation would hand the commission the power to authorise a deployment to a frontier, on the recommendation of the management board of the newly formed European Border and Coast Guard. This would also apply to non-EU members of Schengen, such as Norway.

And the absolute kicker:

Although member states would be consulted, they would not have the power to veto a deployment unilaterally.

And just like that, goodbye sovereignty... all in the name of halting the endless onslaught of Syrian refugees, which ironically was unleashed in the first place just so Europe could get its supplies of natural gas from Qatar instead of Russia.

Europe has a prepared response, of course, saying that individual states are clearly unable to defend themselves against the barbarian refugee hordes:

"Dimitris Avramopoulos, who is responsible for EU migration policy, said: “The refugee crisis has shown the limitations of the current EU border agency, Frontex, to effectively address and remedy the situation created by . . . the pressure on Europe’s external borders.” He said the EBCG would be a way to “protect and strengthen Schengen”.

Actually, it would be a way to hand over all military control to a body of unelected bureaucrats. Here's why:

If the plan is approved by EU states, Frontex’s replacement will have a slew of new powers, including the ability to hire and control its own border guards and buy its own equipment. It will also be allowed to operate in non-EU countries — such as Serbia and Macedonia, which have become transit countries for people trying to reach northern Europe — if requested.

One doesn't have to even be a member of the EU any more to become a vassal state of Brussels.  But the scariest aspect is the following:

The new agency will be able to deport people who do not have the right to remain in Europe — a power Frontex lacked.

And just like that, the decision of who can and who can't stay in any one European country will be delegated to some faceless bureaucrat in Brussels, circumventing all sovereign laws.

The new force will also be able to call on a pool of border guards set aside by member states in reserve, as well as its own guards. National capitals will retain day-to-day control of their borders, but the new agency will be able to monitor their efforts and step in if it feels the protection on offer is inadequate.

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Now we admit that some of this may come as a shock to some naive Europhiles, who still do not realize that all of this was preplanned, and predicted as long ago as 2008 when an internal AIG presentation answered the simple question: What Europe Wants. The answer:

To use global issues as excuses to extend its power:

  • environmental issues: increase control over member countries; advance idea of global governance
  • terrorism: use excuse for greater control over police and judicial issues; increase extent of surveillance
  • global financial crisis: kill two birds (free market; Anglo-Saxon economies) with one stone (Europe-wide regulator; attempts at global financial governance)
  • EMU: create a crisis to force introduction of “European economic government”

All have been spot on, but not even this aggressive and accurate forecast predicted that Europe would be so bold as to effectively take over border and population control sovereignty across the entire continent. It is about to do just that.

 

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Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:27 | 6907724 de3de8
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The beginning of the turn?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:34 | 6907771 astroloungers
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I didn't realize Greece was part of Oceana

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:38 | 6907794 RafterManFMJ
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Wow, so I wonder if Germans, Greeks or Dutch started to hit and run these forces, if they'd be labeled terrorists?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:52 | 6907853 seek
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No need to wonder, the answer is yes.

The labels come from the media, which is owned by and works for the people trying to implement these mega-states (and ultimately global government), so there is no question anyone that fought the multinational force, even if it was in an attempt to preserve soverignty, would be considered a terrorist, in spite of the fact that they wouldn't be targetting the local civilian population for political purposes, which is what terrorism really is.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:07 | 6907939 Tyler Durderian
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This is what EUROPE has become:

http://goo.gl/QC3VhN

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:11 | 6907961 SMG
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If you need any more confirmation the Globalists actually do exist and want to create a Global Scientific Dictatorship....

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:28 | 6908053 847328_3527
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It's no surprise to me that Americans are heavily supporting The Donald. After seeing the disasters Bush and Barry have created.

I remember watching those poor seniors at the Obamacare Town Hall meetings being yelled at as "Nazis" by Pelosi.

 

86% of the people polled voted against Obamacare yet Pelosi, Reed and O'Bama forced it down our throats. Republicans sat by sleeping. I know I know they were a  minority in Congress but they could have blocked it somehow or at least modified it so it didn't screw over the MC as it has.

 

MSM (such as NPR, HuffPo, etc) also sat by and said nothing but praise for Obamacare. Pathetic! There was zero critical/analytical journalism excpet for blogs like zh.

 

So it's no wonder the middle class is fed up. I am not sure Trump is the best one but so far I see him as the ONLY one to rock the boat and consider what middle class America wants and needs.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:38 | 6908113 Latina Lover
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Want to be that this Border Force controlled only by the EU commission will eventually become a rapid reaction force to put down rebellions within the EU?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:58 | 6908193 fudge
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Border Force = Standing Army. Exactly as was mentioned a while back, now they get what they wanted by other means. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:22 | 6908345 Stuck on Zero
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And these border force troopers are called ...??  Wermacht? SS? Alpencorps? Imperial Storm Troopers?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:24 | 6908351 The Pope
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 "And these border force troopers are called ...?? " - @ssholes

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 02:12 | 6908937 Troll Magnet
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Jews in Charge.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 05:45 | 6909179 Amish FinEng
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It will be wonderful when more Muslims take charge and kill off the parasites who seek to dominate the Goy.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 06:07 | 6909199 HowdyDoody
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Fundamental problem. The really evil Muslims are owned by Israel. In some ways ISIS is indistinguisjable from Jewish extremism.

Jewish terrorists pour gas down the throat of a Palestinan teenager, then set his alight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_murder_of_Mohammed_Abu_Khdeir

 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 06:35 | 6909235 Manthong
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If there is trouble in Greece, Junker could just place Nazi collaborator snipers on rooftops to shoot Greek partisans.

It worked for Churchill after WWII.

It worked for some cookie lady in Maidan in 2014.

“All those collaborators went into the system,” says Manilos Glezos. “Into the government mechanism – during and after the civil war, and their sons went into the military junta. The deposits remain, like malignant cells in the system. Although we liberated Greece, the Nazi collaborators won the war, thanks to the British. And the deposits remain, like bacilli in the system.”

Athens 1944: Britain’s dirty secret
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret

 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 12:55 | 6910757 commoncourtesy
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Manthing. Thank you for sharing this information.

I have only recently discovered that most of the real truth has been hidden from the people of the UK.

I am saddened and shocked at the historic facts documented here. His-stories that our Government push through tel-lie-vision and scholar-lie school books are just that.

This is endemic in our society - enforced ignorance.

Evil BLOOD-LINES are globally terrorising the world.

Please keep sharing information. We need to oust the real global terrorists and exterminate their Bloodlines once and for all.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 18:01 | 6912090 Gonzogal
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You might like to read or watch YouTube videos about Operation GLADIO...that was set up at the beginning of the Cold War by the US/NATO (including UK) to control via terrorism the governments of the day, mainly to prevent "communism" from taking hold in governments.  Greece was attacked, so was Italy, France, Belgium among others.

The same is happening today with "flase flag" terrorism or GLADIO B (it never really went away).  As you watch the links below, think of the attacks in France and elsewhere recently and the similarities are striking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83L3I6Z35w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=NATO%27s+Terror+Network&sm=12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU0fxLS0BSQ

http://operation-gladio.net/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-globalization-of-special-forces/5383014

http://www.globalresearch.ca/false-flag-terror-presidents-prime-minister...

 

 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 09:52 | 6909715 robobbob
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you can bet that deep behind the curtain will be the same cartel that was behind the curtains the last time europe was on fire.

in an honest world, there should have been a ten year rope shortage in europe after WW2. but alas, the real culprits, the ones with the check books, were allowed to skate free, and given a country of their very own.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 05:47 | 6909181 jeff montanye
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this sounds less extreme than trump's proposal.  and with far more justification.

not that i support a european nation run by germany with or without france.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:27 | 6908372 fudge
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what difference at this point does it make? ;)
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:42 | 6908437 Overfed
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The fourth reich has risen and taken most of continental Europe without even firing a shot. All done through manipulation, "common currency" "open borders" and false-flag terrorism. Well played.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:17 | 6908625 fudge
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Many ZH commentator has been accused of wearing tinfoil caps when mentioning that exact scenario, and yet this is what we see now happen. Well planned ;)

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:23 | 6908644 wee-weed up
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OMG!... What has the EU come to?...

Global Storm Troopers?...

Adolf would be proud of you, Angela!

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 01:33 | 6908846 Paveway IV
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This is similar to the U.S. Emergency Powers that Bush and Obama granted themselves by Executive Order relative to states. If the federal government decided an individual state couldn't (or wouldn't) enforce federal law, then they could declare the equivalent of martial law in that state and take control, deploying armed forces for enforcement if they see fit.

One of the scenarios they were anticipating is something like a bird flu outbreak. The federal governement could decide to quarantine cities, counties or entire states. Federal troops would be deployed to enforce that among all affected transportation infrastructure. Same thing for a refugee stampede in the case of a natural disaster or nuclear plant accident. Anything a state does can be overruled by the federal government if they decide it's in their best interests.

Worst of all: the feds can take control of communications infrastructure to prevent panic - they can black out phones and the internet in any section of a city, state or region if it serves some interest of theirs.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 08:06 | 6909354 The Pope
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Hunger Games here we come. & may the odds be ever in your favor!

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 10:02 | 6909752 robobbob
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and to think that ALL of this was laid bare and was openly available in 1945 in "The Red House Report"

Much like "Project Northwoods", you can put the evidence right in front of peoples faces, but if it contradicts their programming, they will attack you, and not the criminals.

 

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/Intelligence_Report_EW-P...

 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:01 | 6908537 G.O.O.D
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And these border force troopers are called

They will be given white hats and from this day on  forever be known as "The Gewd Goys"

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:14 | 6908611 Oldwood
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And brown shirts..

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 03:59 | 6909053 Ghordius
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let me see... from memory, the US Secretary of the Treasury has under him an agency called Secret Service, a "SS" that has some 22'000 agents in total

but no, those "man in black" do not sound scary, they are, after all, an old affair, to which American are well used /sarc

what hyperventilation

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 07:19 | 6909279 Crash N. Burn
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"Border Force = Standing Army."

 

 It's all according to plan:

"In 2012 UN migration chief Peter Sutherland urged the EU to "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states. Such a proposition may sound absurd, unless you take into account that breaking down the national identity of a country makes it much easier to dissolve political boundaries and independence. And that's precisely what the technocrats in Brussels want.

Hollande has been one of the most outspoken voices in this push to hand over more power to a centralized European government, effectively stripping member states of any meaningful sovereignty. Give that European government a military, it's own surveillance apparatus and public which is struggling financially, looking for someone to blame, and practically begging for war, and you have a recipe for the rise of overt fascism in Europe.

Many have remarked that recent moves by the French president take several pages from the extreme right. Some have interpreted this as an attempt to prevent the right from capitalizing on the event, but it hasn't worked out that way, at all. (See also this article)

Taken on its own one might be inclined to interpret this as a political miscalculation, but what if it's not? Hollande's actions don't make much sense if we view him as an independent leader, but they make perfect sense if you understand that he's just a puppet.

The powers seized by Holland following the Charlie Hebdo and Paris Attacks, are not suited for the political left. The left is held back by the need to maintain a soft spoken, inclusive veneer. Those rising up to replace them will not be.

The right will not scale back these powers. They will expand them, and they will use them, even more than they are being used now.

It's the left, right, left, right two step to tyranny."

 

The Paris Attacks Are Just The Beginning

Perhaps we should change the spelling to Europeon?

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 18:12 | 6912148 Gonzogal
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"The powers seized by Holland following the Charlie Hebdo and Paris Attacks, are not suited for the political left. The left is held back by the need to maintain a soft spoken, inclusive veneer. Those rising up to replace them will not be."

Which is why, along with the proof available these "attacks" can be classified as "False Flag" attacks aka GLADIO


Fri, 12/11/2015 - 18:16 | 6912180 Gonzogal
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:55 | 6908195 NidStyles
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IMO This should have been the first thing the EU did. That they waited so long to do so just points out that they were not interested in actually behaving like a responsible government and were just chasing the free money.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:25 | 6908362 Lore
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You forgot the "/sarc."

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 05:30 | 6909151 NidStyles
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There is nothing sarcastic about my post. 

 

Had the EU been made to protect Europe, they would have stood up a military first. It wasn't, so it was only stood up to destroy Europe. 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 07:15 | 6909277 Ghordius
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we like to divide things into spheres of responsibility. the EU was made for economic matters. as such, it's a liberal (classic) idea:

freedom of movement of goods, services, capital and people inside the EU. the Four Freedoms of the EU. for EU citizens

if this is "to destroy", then you ought to take that yellow out of your flag, then it's the yellow of liberalism (classic). you know... freedom

"Schengen" is a separate treaty, btw. and this EU proposal is all about that treaty, and the "common borders" of the "Schengen Area"

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 11:50 | 6910350 rwe2late
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Ghordius
Your alleged "Four Freedoms" have a flip side,
related to control the economics leading to control of everything else.
Local sovereignty to distant control. Local self-sufficiency to distant dependency.
Local business to distant corporations. Local government bent to serve outside corporate and other interests.

Globalism is not all good or benevolent.
Yet, some problems (such as militaristic bullies, pollution, disease, poverty)
seem to transcend local solutions.
Given the intractable nature of the problem, the prospects for humanity and most other life on this planet appear dim.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:40 | 6908436 hungrydweller
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See above.  Never let a crisis go to waste; especially one that you helped create.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 04:03 | 6909057 Ghordius
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sadly, a +1 for pointing out the thing. FRONTEX is an old proposal that never got much traction, before. now that Greece has a leftist government that winked through the refugees, and only cooperates if money is involved, those proposals are getting back in line

FRONTEX is currently being deployed at the Greek border. the northern Greek border, mind. in refugee camps for people being held there so that they don't continue their trip

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:21 | 6908338 Secret Weapon
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LL - you are a Precog.  Cheers. M2

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:42 | 6908127 WhackoWarner
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With all due respect.  If you think that local (read national) politics have any friggin impact I am of the belief that that is rather naiive.  Money/greed/control of all meaningful resources by said monopoly money is all it ever was.

 

Voting has no effect.  Obama? Clinton thinks she has meaning but would be cast aside in a minute.  Americans do the dance of "Who is the richest? Biggest ass?".  I suspect that even Buffet would be run over.  Secret wealth, likely worth trillions in control could give one flying frig about US elections or who ends up sitting in some chair reading a teleprompter.

 

National elections were bought out decades ago. National laws, any idea of freedom. Baby they are gone.  Donald Trump or Hilary the Poster Child for fraud?  Follow the money.  And it is century old money.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:07 | 6908271 WillyGroper
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>>>>>>National elections were bought out decades ago. National laws, any idea of freedom. Baby they are gone.

Respectfully disagree...They never were. Potemkin Village.

>>>>>>Follow the money.  And it is century old money.

Absolutely!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:46 | 6908373 Lore
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Re: "National laws, any idea of freedom... gone." <..... Fuck THAT! 

Apparently, the European people learned nothing from the actions of their stark raving crazy ruling families from WW1 and WW2.  Psychopaths push as far as you permit them. Sooner or later, this is going to come down to a big fight. It's begun already (started in MENA). Events build up, gradually, gradually, with the MIC stirring the pot and supplying arms to all sides, until SHTF.  And as their world is made to collapse around them, all the stupid, brainwashed, submissive sheeple wonder "How could this happen?"

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 11:48 | 6910345 AGuy
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"I remember watching those poor seniors at the Obamacare Town Hall meetings being yelled at as "Nazis" by Pelosi."

Old seniors are on Medicare not obozocare. Medicare is currently far better than Obozocare.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:35 | 6908093 manofthenorth
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Without borders there are NO states,

without a state there is NO sovereignty

The end of individual sovereignty, freedom and liberty is very near perhaps.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:52 | 6908175 WhackoWarner
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Sweetie the end was decades ago.  The awareness filtering through is trickling down.  Freedom and liberty have been stripped for decades.  But party on and buy the newest gadget you have no need for.

 

I refuse to own a cell phone tracking device. I refuse to have GPS in my car. I refuse to accept a smart meter surveillance device on my home. I need no Smart appliances that track my habits.  I do not need, support, buy stock, or use anything related to Facefrig, Yahoooooo,  or any of these other crippling manisfestations of insecurity and ego.

 

Freedom and liberty ended a long time ago while people embraced this aspect of tech.  The aspect that gives permission to the end of any privacy.  Or any thought of privacy.  So go on and text away, Facefuck away, share your every manipualted thought.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:15 | 6908312 weburke
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got any of those dollar bills?  notice the rfid ? 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:36 | 6908697 TheEndIsNear
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I have some old dollar bills that say "Redeemable in Silver".

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 08:09 | 6909366 The Pope
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Read the fine print. It actually says "Redeemable in Silver bullets if you happen to be a werewolf"

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:23 | 6908654 Oldwood
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Fear has always been with us. It is convenience that provides the path to hell. All sacrifices are ultimately for convenience, for the avoidance of the more difficult, the harder job or choice. The easy button. Animals in the wild know not to fall for easy food, to be wary. People know better also, but we all breakdown eventually. We all fall for the something for nothing sales job. We know that there is NOTHING in life for free....never has been, yet we fall for it every time.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 09:41 | 6909666 crusty curmudgeon
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"We know that there is NOTHING in life for free....never has been, yet we fall for it every time."

Windows 10 is an exception of course.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 11:09 | 6910089 RafterManFMJ
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Sorry had to reoot ... Win10 had an exception.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 02:22 | 6908955 reinhardt
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"crippling manisfestations of insecurity and ego"

interesting

r

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 04:48 | 6909101 beaglebog
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You gave up your "individual sovereignty" the very second that you acceded to Voting.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:14 | 6908303 Central Bankster
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And how many Europeans have willingly given up their firearms (for their own safety of course)?  By what means will you control your lives when you cant even elect officials to represent you and your country?  The Europeans were foolish to trust in the fantasy of the EU.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 04:12 | 6909063 HardAssets
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Of course, the Europeans were lied to. They were told it was just to improve trade. Just like Americans have been lied to. And the owned press pushed the lies. And the 'education' system prevents people from developing the critical thinking skills to see through the lies.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:31 | 6908393 TheReplacement
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Create crisis.

Provide solution.

Reap the rewards.

Create crisis.

Provide solution.

Reap the rewards.

...forever.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 06:47 | 6909184 Ghordius
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if the baby does not cry, mommy does not check if it did shit. just a different way to say that

what are the chances that the baby does not shit, ever? in the same way, what are the chances that a new crisis does not arise?

"creating crises" is for amateurs. like hunters that follow the prey instead of waiting patiently at the right spot

in fact, creating crises is something that is done by amateurs with too many funds at their disposal

like finding the idea of arming rebels in Afghanistan while the Soviets are there... swell. and being completely flabbergasted at the outcomes, decades later

or like listening to a monkey proposing the "de-Ba'athification" of Iraq, and thinking "sounds like de-Nazification, must be good, then". and still not understanding the outcomes

from the article:

"And just like that, goodbye sovereignty... all in the name of halting the endless onslaught of Syrian refugees, which ironically was unleashed in the first place just so Europe could get its supplies of natural gas from Qatar instead of Russia. "

first, let's remember that this proposal is for Schengen countries only. The UK and Ireland have a full opt-out

second, let's remember that the Syrian refugee crisis is because of a civil war in Syria, where Turkey, Lebanon and Jordania have taken up the greatest part of the "refugee load". One of the greatest humanitarian feats ever for which those three countries should get credit, and lots of it

third, let's remember that the european part of the Syrian refugee crisis was started by Turkey "looking the other way"... and Greece "looking the other way and letting pass through"

Turkey got a "package" from the EU so that they would resume their "usual border behaviour". It's EU funds and promises of more EU for Turkey

Greece... well their government wanted plenty of... funds. And their government is currently made out of Leftists that are very, very sympathetic to refugees... while also wanting to "share this goodness with their EU peers". Just to make a point. They were offered help at the borders, instead, and now Athens accepted

the outcome for Greece is that they now joined the other three countries in shouldering a great part of a great humanitarian effort. and that they get help, in this

fourth, well, yes. If Russia was not so keen to block pipelines, perhaps America would have succeded in Syria. though it is not succeding in Iraq, so the whole point about Russia and gas is moot, imho

particularly because now there is a Franco-Russian alliance in place in regard to Syria, with German assistence. With France and Germany keen on seeing Syria becoming a country where refugees can return to, besides the whole gas and other geopolitical affairs. And Russia having parallel interests of... watch for the loaded word... order restored

fifth, this article cites the FT article, but forgets to mention that according to this proposal external sovereigns like the Balkans do get Frontex assistance... if they ask for it

the FT article is already hyperventilating for a domestic British audience that has an insular point of view and a long standing popular view that the continent has to be... fragmented. Just "because". It's a national reflex of sort, deeply embedded in their history of "divide et impera"

ZH makes it even more... feverish. catering in part for an American audience that has a similar insular point of view. add in the Putin fans that think europe should be more Putin-friendly... and divided, too, another old-standing national reflex

in short, little sense of proportion, here. long live ZH, nevertheless, we would not have such an interesting comment comment section here without... pointed articles in the first place

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:12 | 6907968 BoNeSxxx
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Outstanding comment Sir. They would be called 'freedom fighters' if it happened anywhere without a Rothschild controlled central bank.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:40 | 6908118 All_Your_Base
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"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"

George Carlin

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 08:11 | 6909371 The Pope
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What do "Foo Fighters" fight?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:56 | 6907875 SILVERGEDDON
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It is simple you block heads.

Euro version of " Hope And Change " finally made it over seas to the continent.

Sarc tag for the simple minded.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:04 | 6907918 MrBoompi
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Even if Greece wanted to do a better job of protecting its border, they don't have the money to do it.  The fucking bankers have seen to that.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:05 | 6907925 philipat
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Perhaps the force which decides who gets the tap to stay might become known as the Guest-tap-o?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:26 | 6908368 Bring the Gold
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"Guest-tap-o"

 

For those times where you're walking along engaging in Thought Crimes and you get that tap-o on your shoulder.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 04:05 | 6909059 HardAssets
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Whatever happened to those 'rebel' Greek politicians who rode motorcycles and didnt wear a tie ?

Nevermind.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:20 | 6908007 Kirk2NCC1701
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"I didn't realize Greece was part of Oceana"

Clearly you've also never looked at the map of Greece, to realize that is has nothing but Oceana property.  Very cheap, these days.  Ditto for alcohol and sex.  National character is in extreme rarity, as it was auctioned off long ago.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 05:07 | 6909122 Ghordius
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it's actually "Oceania". and the term is currently being used by Australians and New Zealanders for themselves... only (can generate hilarious misunderstandings)

in the book "1984" (published in 1948, hence the number) the world was divided into EastAsia, Oceania and EurAsia

EastAsia = roughly a China dominated Asia

EurAsia = roughly a kind of agreement between the current eurozone and Russia

Oceania = roughly the old British Commonwealth and America, with "Airstrip One" being the UK, and India belonging to it

in the book you get the feeling that Oceania is a complete dictatorship, headed by a mythical "Big Brother". the other two... less clear, imo

of course the typical assumption is that the other two are dictatorships, too. our dear cousins have a bit of this bias I call "it can't be better then here"

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:48 | 6907840 Demdere
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http://www.voltairenet.org/article188774.html
I think that has something to do with this, and the only question is the extent that the Israeli-Neocons overlap the EU bureaucracy.
Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:04 | 6908559 Sanity Bear
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spam

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 05:29 | 6909146 Johnny Horscaulk
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The eu is by and for the major banks and banking families. And they are overwhelmingly jewish

http://englishnews.org/informative-news-headlines/anti-ethnic-european-n...

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/capitalism-is-jewish-usury/

^ note the comments by Mr. Quiggins

And note that discordant 'law' originates in the Torah, pre-dates the Talmud, and represents a stark ethnocentrism for Theists and Atheists alike.

http://www.truetorahjews.org/qanda/usury
http://www.jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm

***
http://tinyurl.com/me8ho3x
***

To this may of course be added the Talmud

http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/shahak.html

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:31 | 6908071 WhackoWarner
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Follow the money.  Follow the global control plan.  Follow your curiousity of what will turn the world into serfs again.

I refer everyone back to this study:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0025995

 

Amd this succinct comment

http://www.globalresearch.ca/bankers-rule-the-world-the-network-of-global-corporate-control/28235

 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:46 | 6908142 Perimetr
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The purpose of the EU was to remove sovereignty and place Europe under the control of NATO, i.e., the US.

 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:01 | 6908239 WhackoWarner
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Oh please.  The USA is so expendable, disposable and meaningless.  US domination is so 20th century and being set up to die.  But not to worry folks,  the big big $$$ will charge you exit fees.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:45 | 6908457 Badsamm
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And the Hunger Games begin. The riots will make great TV, that we will have to find on alternative news channels.

I'm happy to be a spectator. So long suckers.

14% congressional approval rating, 94% reelected. Sucking your own cock speaks for it self. Everything is great until you swallow

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:45 | 6908458 Badsamm
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And the Hunger Games begin. The riots will make great TV, that we will have to find on alternative news channels.

I'm happy to be a spectator. So long suckers.

14% congressional approval rating, 94% reelected. Sucking your own cock speaks for it self. Everything is great until you swallow

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:50 | 6908473 permarig
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Nice! Staged Paris terror attacks, French president delivers war speech, pretext to get into Syria, finally for Britain too.
Now this, on top of the refugee crisis, which is also obviously engineered. Check out the book 'Weapons of Mass Migration'.

[ This "coercion by punishment" strategy can be effected in two ways: the first relies on straightforward threats to overwhelm a target's capacity to accommodate a refugee or migrant influx; the second, on a kind of norms-enhanced political blackmail that exploits the existence of legal and normative commitments to those fleeing violence, persecution, or privation. The theory is further illustrated and tested in a variety of case studies from Europe, East Asia, and North America. To help potential targets better respond to-and protect themselves against-this kind of unconventional predation, Weapons of Mass Migration also offers practicable policy recommendations for scholars, government officials, and anyone concerned about the true victims of this kind of coercion-the displaced themselves. ]

The author herself is from the inside. Previously supported by the Ford Foundation, etc., analyst for the Department of Defense, consultant to the UNHCR, research fellow at the Belfer Center, has published in CFR's Foreign Affairs.
On the Belfer Center's board sit Ashton Carter and John Deutch. (Among other things, the authors of the 1998 essay in Foreign Affairs, together with Philip Zelikow, who later became the Executive director of the 9/11 Commission, which predicted a transforming terror event for America).

The UNCHR didn't get enough funding for the refugee camps in the neighboring countries to Syria. It's essentially a NATO proxy war in driving the people out of Syria. The people come through Turkey into Europe, a NATO country. If not, then through Libya.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 01:19 | 6908821 glenlloyd
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My, that's a bit of a pickle they've gotten themselves into....

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:29 | 6907731 Yen Cross
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It's called the,' Juncker Desperation Aficionados''.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:29 | 6907733 zerotohero
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This is getting worse by the day - BF the end of 2016 we are going to be such a fucked up mess - my father must be rolling over in his grave - we have lost so much as a race.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:43 | 6907817 Escrava Isaura
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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function" — Albert Bartlett 

 

How To Time Collapses

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/02/how-to-time-collapses.html

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:16 | 6907989 roccman
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Orlov brought a kid into this hell a couple of years ago knowing damn well what the timing was.

Nothing speaks louder to the tragedy of the human project then his selfishness.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:15 | 6908311 WillyGroper
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Bit judgemental, eh?

I wouldn't do it, but IIRC he lives on a boat & has been through a collapse.

Me thinks he'd have a strategy for his loved ones, not to mention living YOUR life as you see fit.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:49 | 6908459 roccman
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Lives on boat... Eh? As if it is totally self supporting? Living on a boat does not equate to not sucking off the teat of civilization.

He lived through a "collapse" where everyone had a state owned house to go back to after standing in line all day. Far cry from living under a bridge.

Orlov sold doom to the prepperites.

Having children is immoral. Having children when one is selling doom is down right selfish.

You missed the point. He is all of us. And those with real power know this about the human condition.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:21 | 6908017 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See FULL LECTURE AlBartlett"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCm2QQZVYk

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:43 | 6907825 fudge
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you're still think we'll make it to the end of 2016 ??

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:53 | 6907860 G.O.O.D
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I have my doubts we will make it to this Christmas. GAWDALLMIGHTY

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:56 | 6907874 fudge
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I'm also thinking that.

It's either before or just after,,January or early February if the FED raises.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:07 | 6907941 TeamDepends
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OR it's right before the big will she/won't she day, putting the rate hike on the back back backest burner.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:00 | 6908527 Uchtdorf
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We will have the presidential election in 2016, not that it will mean anything, but before Clinton takes office, the US will come under attack. Yes, those two big nominally Communist countries will send troops. Lots of them.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:31 | 6908678 Vendetta
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They couldn't have it fall apart on October 29th or 9/11 again, its possible even stupid people might get suspicious.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:53 | 6907867 seek
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It's a long to-do list. I think we make it to 2018, personally. Not that it'll be pretty between now and then.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:29 | 6907735 Urban Redneck
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We had to destroy the village in order to save it.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:23 | 6908027 847328_3527
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But ... "It's for the children ...."

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:29 | 6908379 Bring the Gold
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No child left behind...just smoldering ruins.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:33 | 6908687 Vendetta
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and no food... we gotta save the bankers /snark

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:30 | 6907738 Sanity Bear
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now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:32 | 6907752 NoDebt
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The nature of government has always been force.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:49 | 6907842 fudge
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True, but the plebs have yet to see the amount of force that governments are prepared to exert to defend the status quo. This lifting of the veil will wake people more than governments are prepared to tolerate and violence will be the responce.

 

Something Wicked This Way Comes.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:29 | 6908058 847328_3527
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" Force you can believe in!"

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 04:33 | 6909081 HardAssets
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'governments' don't apply force, and neither do banksters

Violence and the violation of natural human rights - is carried out by the people themselves. The blind order followers do it for a fiat paycheck & pension. And to all who raised mindless flag wavers - congratulations. Your sons are the ones to bring death and slavery to the world. But youre so stupid that you "thank them for their service". Who & what do they serve ?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:31 | 6908391 Zero-Hegemon
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"May the force be with you." ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:31 | 6907748 NoDebt
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If the EU is to succeed they really need to fight a civil war like the US did a few years back.  I don't think they got the balls for that.  And if that's the case, they should cut their losses and pack it in.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:37 | 6907789 booboo
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Moar government jobs for muslims

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:38 | 6907793 Urban Redneck
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Sort of like the Spring of Nations (1848)???

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:45 | 6907832 chunga
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It makes me think of a big FEMA camp.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:01 | 6907887 Urban Redneck
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Makes me think Juncker couldn't get his Nazi Eurocops/EGF enlargement through fast enough, so now he's trying in the same ruse in the guise of a border patrol.  Since politicians can never let a crisis go to waste...  

Welcome the the Unites States of Europe.

If this thing flies, then the European people learned nothing from the US experience subjugating the State militias to a federal standing army. 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 06:52 | 6909069 Ghordius
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UR, IF this thing flies, yes, then we can agree that the current confederational model that the sovereign EU countries are applying will have new, additional confederational elements in it

then, we can agree that the EU is set on a path that corresponds now to where the US was... before 1777

because a border patrol, even with coast guard... is still not a confederation army and it's still not a confederation navy

as I often write here, there is a certain American "learn from the US history" element in ZH that is nevertheless... myopic

we don't have "State Militia". we never had our defense depending on militia, or Minutemen, or anything similar

we have National Armies and Navies. a completely different starting point altogether

 

do I really have to bring numbers about them? do I really have to point out the nuclear French carrier in Syria? here:

the EU sovereigns have national armies with a combined total of 1.5 million peacetime personnel, 500+ warships, all with their national flags flying on top, and some assorted goodies like 2'000+ warplanes and 7'000+ battle tanks, all costing a total of 190+ billion euros per year

I won't see them all quaking in their boots for a little EU "Border Patrol" (then what they are currently deployed to do is refugee camp management) and a little EU Coast Guard

(comparison: the US Coast Guard has some 90'000 personnel... for a fraction of the coastline we have here. none of the US federal Big Three would ever see them as a "match")

 

>>>>>    1777 the US already had a federal US Navy and a federal US Marine Corps landing in Tripoli, Libyia.  1777, that's the 18th Century   <<<<<

 

this new proposal for a confederational EU Border Patrol and EU Coast Guard... they would have to reach a personnel height of 90'000 just to reach the peacetime level of the Hellenic Army (that's the Greek army without Greek navy, and Greece being a small member of the EU), which has a wartime planned level of a quarter of a million soldiers

 

sense of proportion, anybody? we can't "follow the US history path". the starting point is completely different, and the US trajectory took anyway a couple of centuries

and even if you want to erode the current sovereign military budgets... you really do not expect a political fight for them? just look at Greece, again, and their military budget

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:05 | 6908257 WhackoWarner
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YOU are already living in a big FEMA camp. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:44 | 6907830 Stormtrooper
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And they should fight it with 50 cal. muskets to make sure that the battle injuries are as horrible as those that the boys suffered from 1861 to 1865.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:33 | 6907761 nmewn
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"But they're all wearing toupees!" - Josh Earnest

Gawd the mileage I'm gonna get out of that...lmao!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:29 | 6908062 847328_3527
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#bighairmatters

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:17 | 6908319 WillyGroper
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Me thinks it's a comb over.

All his.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:28 | 6908673 nmewn
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Oh man, I was having so much fun wif Joshie ;-)

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:33 | 6907762 NotApplicable
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and it ain't gonna stop there...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:34 | 6907769 ebworthen
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Idealism collides with reality!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:08 | 6908279 espirit
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...and the enemy of my friend, is my enemy.

Or is it the enemy of my friend, my friend?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:39 | 6907796 defender1be
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So when a eu country protects its outer border by building a fench to stop immigrants, it gets criticism from the eu. But now the eu wants to take over the outer border to stop immigrants. i'm confused.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:43 | 6907822 Jethro
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Who said that the EU border forces would be deployed to keep the immigrants out?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:50 | 6907849 fudge
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^^^ This.

it's to keep people in. ;)

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 01:03 | 6908781 Meat Hammer
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Whatever they say the reason is, realize it is the exact opposite.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 05:22 | 6909138 Ghordius
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"So when a eu country protects its outer border by building a fench to stop immigrants, it gets criticism from the eu"

a common misunderstanding. Hungary's Orban got a lot of flak, yes. But it was not "the EU"

it was the assorted and somewhat united-in-this European Left. Our social democrats, our socialists, our radical leftists, our communists

the same bunch that is currently in power in Greece, for example

This proposal here is a counter-proposal from the other sides of the political spectrum. They exist, they are just underreported in the US, then for some reasons the American MSM does not like to report anything else then "socialist europe". Interestingly, US "fringe blogs" also underreport them except for "scare value" about "nationalism"

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:40 | 6907802 Ms No
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As fate may have it the US was able to hold on to it's gun rights long enough for Europe to realize why we had them.  I hope they will be okay but it's not looking good.

On a side note, has anyone seen the short film "all wars are bankers wars"?  I wonder if anyone has any criticism of it, it seems to be generally accurate to me.  There are definitely a few families that could be added and other details but it is short in duration.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/all-wars-are-bankers-wars/

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:12 | 6908286 Shift For Brains
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As fate may have it the US was able to hold on to it's gun rights long enough for Europe to realize why we had them.  I hope they will be okay but it's not looking good.

I take no pleasure whatsoever in being able to say "I told you so" to my European friends whose favorite word for Americans was "cowboys." We were uncivilized, barbaric, Wild West obsessed children who "loved to play with guns."

No. Guns are tools. You are about to experience how hard it is to resist when you only are allowed salad forks.

America has many, many faults. We must take responsibility for the horrendous carnage we have visited on so many parts of the world, to our fellow humans. But one shining example of what we got right was the 2nd Amendment. We would no doubt all be in chains by now if it wasn't for the "gun behind every blade of grass."

Guess what? There are millions more in the hands of decent Americans when that was supposedly said regarding a Japanese invasion of the mainland US. We are buying them at an increasing pace, along with a stockpile of serious ammo that would make many world armies envious.

For our non-American friends: We're a curious lot. We look completely apathetic and careless about fundamentally important parts of life. And yet, once a spark has been lit, it will be an inferno everywhere. For the simple reason the vast majority of Americans, of all races and beliefs, actually believe We The People should be the boss. We've never gotten over the odd idea that some fat sonofabitch in a distant city should have the right to run our life.

So if the fuse is lit, sit back and watch the show from distant shores, if you can't resist where you are. It will be Xrated for violence, with a lot of very visceral emotions and scores to settle. It's the only thing that is left for a once free people to do. There is no hope of peaceful repair of our body politic. We have to go through the fire. But when we do, we are not going to be meeting our own border guards and internal security with salad forks.

Those who work for the Capital should take note.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:23 | 6908350 Ms No
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Well put, I would also add that they have done humanity a disservice by disarming themselves.  This is going global and as populations fall to this malevolence the guilty grow stronger.  In a sense humanity is really in this together and the weak links aren't helping out much.  The US is stupid it many respects and we couldn't stop the aggression in our name but it took generations of struggle to hold on to this right and that's one thing that we at least partially managed to do.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:43 | 6908446 Government need...
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I stand ready to strike my blows for liberty.  Def-con 2 here, and vigilent for when one of my red lines gets crossed: (1) gun grab; (2) open arrest and imprisonment for those opposing the US.gov cartel's policy/views; (3) any handover of US sovereign power to an international entity.  Cross these, and I will resist with every available tool.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 11:41 | 6910303 commoncourtesy
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'I stand ready to strike my blows for liberty.'

Are you aware of what the Liberty statue actually represents?

I was truly shocked when I read the following;

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news170_liberty.html

Think about it. People, everyday being allowed to go inside a female form supposedly representing the whore/Harlet of Babylon.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 01:13 | 6908808 Meat Hammer
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I know it sounds callous to say this, but if and when they cry for our American sons and daughters to come save their asses from the horror they've caused for themselves, I hope they hear nothing but silence. The only way to learn from your mistakes and use that knowledge to prevent future generations from suffering for your lack of courage and boundless willful ignorance is to endure the suffering yourselves. You've earned it.

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:34 | 6908402 Bring the Gold
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I don't advocate violence. I've never been a big fan of guns in general. I am dang happy we have the 2nd amendment about now. The direction of the government the past 14 years especially is terrifying. I am thankful that fellow citizens are armed to the teeth. I agree that otherwise at this point it would be 4th Reich time. Telling that it's the only one of the original rights off the Bill of Rights that is still in effect. May peace and freedom prevail.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:44 | 6908451 Government need...
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Whole lot of killin' between where we are today and peace/freedom. . .

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 05:06 | 6909117 Nostradumbass
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America has many, many faults. We must take responsibility for the horrendous carnage we have visited on so many parts of the world, to our fellow humans.

Green arrow but,

"We" are not the cause of carnage. It is and always has been those in money power centers who own and control governments and militaries. How many people do you know who have wanted any of the military actions and coups the US government has been involved in? If "we" are responsible for anything, and we are, it is the complete complacency which allowed this condition to exist. The focus on the enemy at the gate - Muslims/immigrants/Islam etc. while obviously important, is not where the focus should be for protecting our freedom. It is the enemy within where the trouble stems from. There will always be another enemy out there to keep the one in here out of public awareness.

 


Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:42 | 6907806 hotrod
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Never let a Created Crisis go to waste

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:56 | 6907823 Blankone
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Remember when those two guys in Greece were bad aaa rebels who did not wear ties or tuck in their shirts.

When Greece was going to take down the bankers.  When Greece was going to Russia, how Russia was going to move in and place a military base in Greece. 

How does it look now, who are those two guys now?

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 09:45 | 6909677 gezley
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They were English-educated, and/or English academics. So-called academics, I should say.

 

They tried to do Britain's dirty work on Europe's southern flank by weakening the EU and they failed.

 

I only wish there was hanging for European traitors like these who pretend to be nationalists while working for London behind the scenes.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:46 | 6907828 me or you
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This is exactly what happens when you have not 2nd Amendment. European are FUCKED.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:01 | 6908242 ironmace
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Thats why they want to get rid of it here. This might be the prog's last chance for 5 years at least.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:48 | 6907839 Kaiser Sousa
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V for fucking Vendetta already....

Death To The MoneyChangers.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:39 | 6908711 Vendetta
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fuckin' A

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:50 | 6907845 THE DORK OF CORK
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The Gates of Mordor

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:36 | 6908418 Bring the Gold
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Speaking of that did you see Juncker's speech the other day?

https://youtu.be/8FfRRpRAHI0?t=39s

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:50 | 6907850 Niall Of The Ni...
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If I thought for a minute Frontex would do a thing to stop the Muslim invasion I'd be all for it. As it is Europe's masters would have no interest in holding back the flood even if they could.

They have plenty of interest in keeping Europe's tax-peons from defecting, though.

Frontex will keep busy apprehending Greeks who try to smuggle what remains of their wealth out of the EU by land or sea. The Muslims will just go around them.

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 03:30 | 6909030 Johnny Horscaulk
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^ this racist, Jew Supremacist does not care one bit about Europeans - only about Ersatz Israel.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/category/jewish-support-for-multicu...

http://balder.org/judea/Richard-Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practical-Idealism-Vi...

He is as Irish as Alan Shatter
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/03/the-misplaced-minister-irel...

Another pseudosemitic hypocrite who demands for Jews regardless of the natives, a "homeland," while denying the notion Europeans have the same right.

All because he thinks Israel and Jews are meant to rule the world after the antichrist comes.

http://youtu.be/NDqL6AJP9v8

It won't happen ultimately, but once again many will die because of Lucifer's racist, supremacist followers.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:53 | 6907866 FX223
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With tanks, cannons and bombers Europe could not be defeated...Non are any match for the most powerful weapon of mass suffering ever created...banks!

 

I'm long - rope manufacturers and lamp post.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:55 | 6907872 Bear
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What a mess ... the Greeks don't want to be there (or at least their money) and the Levant Muslims want nothing more than to get to Greece

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:55 | 6907873 CompassionateCo...
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You people sound like a bunch of sick RACIST Nazis like Donald Trump.  It's getting tiring to hear you people cry about getting raped, beaten, murdered, and robbed.  You people need to atone for your racism, your disgusting white privilege, the Legacy of Slavery and Colonialism, and the daily brutal microagressions you commit everyday.  I'm going to be voting HILLARY in 2016!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 21:59 | 6907895 nmewn
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lol...that was pretty good, not exactly MDB quality but damned close!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:04 | 6907921 g'kar
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lol...my thoughts too

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 00:44 | 6908727 Vendetta
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I don't know, it needs quite a few tweeks to be close to MDB.  It can't be easy to be a pure puckered dingle berry covered asshole like MDB.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:00 | 6907904 me or you
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Good for you! Now you can leave and don't come back anymore. 

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