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Gunmakers "Sold"
Flashing red headlines, business media anchors exuberant as gun-maker stocks were suddenly sold after CT Governor Malloy unveiled his executive order and following White House chatter that gun control regulations were being drawn up:
- OBAMA ADVISERS FINALIZING GUN BACKGROUND CHECK PLAN, AP REPORTS.
President Obama’s advisers are finalizing proposal that would expand background checks on gun sales without congressional approval, AP reports. White House adviser Valerie Jarrett says Obama has asked team complete proposal and submit it for his review “in short order.”
We thought the following charts would provide a little context for this "selling"...
On the day, Smith & Wesson is still up 3%...not exactly existential? What about NFLX?
and on the week... "fleshwound"?
Now is that a dip to buy?
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Record sales of PHYS is the real story, bitchez......
MORON LABIA!
Hey. This isn't a Hillary thread!
Oh, FFS dude, that's just wrong!
down the river
Just left academy sports in FL, a lot of people at the gun counter, 4 or 5 people working back there. A lot of people buying ammo too. Glad I went today because I have a feeling this weekend will be another shitshow at every gun store. Wasn't even looking for a gun, just a single mag holder, but that whole area had a lot of people in it, especially for a thursday afternoon.
are you a dyke?
Just like silver, buy the physical.
It feels good in the hand.
Just don't load your portfolio into small boats for long lake trips.
Ask me how I know.
Tragic loss.
Better go in with both guns blazing on this one...
Join the NRA
Support Convention of States.org
Buy more guns and ammo
Definitely not the NRA, they help write gun laws, and only oppose them when some other group starts actions that look like they might win.
GOA or 2nd Amendement Foundation, tho I haven't looked at their records lately.
NRA is a POS organization. The wrote The Gun Control Act of 1968. Gunowners of America is a legitimate organization
That was 50 years ago. The NRA has changed a LOT since then.
GoA has an annual budget of $3 million, the NRA has an annual budget of $300 million.
Even the Brady Campaign has an annual budget of $4 to $6 million.
Who do you think politicians listen to?
the NRA/guns thing is one area where I think its the people that matter more than the lobbying group. There are a lot of people who are essentially single issue voters with this. People who hate the republican party but vote for them solely becuase of 2A issues. Politicians know that if they vote wrong on any kind of gun legistltion, they will be getting primaried next election. That, plus the fact that the people who want gun rights either left a lone or expanded care about the issue much more than the ones who want gun control.
Except that no other org has nearly the clout of the NRA. You might consider other orgs as "better", but if they can't actually DO anything, then it doesn't matter how good they are.
The NRA has an annual budget of over $300 million. That buys a LOT of lobbying and it makes politicians listen, and in swing States, it makes them fearful.
It also means....as others have posted....that the NRA has extraordinary financial incentive NOT to win the 2A battle. As a result, they 'negotiate' your 2A rights in 'reasonable, common-sense fashion'. Which means they are incrementalist appeasers on that which SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
I cancelled my membership 12 years ago....and they STILL send me 'urgent funding needed' mailers. Weird, that with a $300 million budget we're still barely treading water when it comes to 2A rights. How are they spending all that money.....aside from printing up more mailers requesting even more money and buying cheap chinese trinkets with LaPierre's engraved signature on them (complete with certificate of authenticity)?
Never forget....these are the same asshats who literally chose to endorse harry reid over Sharon Angle in NV. That alone speaks VOLUMES.
That's where they lost me and my donations as well. They were bigger fear mongers than the politicians.......
The NRA has had some low periods. I think they believed at one point that compromise might work. I also believe they have learned that you cannot compromise on this issue. GoA is more hardline but the NRA now seems to have found it's way back to reality. With Nuggent on the board they at least have one voice of (in)sanity.
The most dangerous reality for the NRA is definitively winning the 2nd Amendment battle.
There's about as much chance of that happening as the government willingly downsizing dramatically, the Fed admitting it has failed to banish the business cycle and shutting itself down, leftists admitting gun controls don't reduce crime, and the statists turning over a new leaf and deciding they don't want to disarm you but would rather live as equals.
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Without the NRA we would not have semi-autos today.
The 2nd Amendment foundation is a J-Tribe run outfit.
GOA is OK but TINY.
THEY want American Whites DISARMED so that THEY can do to Whites what they did to the Czar and his family and TWENTY MILLION White Russians according to Khrushchev. These are BOLSHEVIKS in power in the USSA.
I think it behooves each and every single one of us, AND OUR FAMILIES, to join the NRA.
http://www.nrahq.org/
Because the Bolsheviks are prepared to do their WORST and believe me, that is TOO TERRIBLE to contemplate.
Americans never give up your guns By Stanislav Mishin
My family and staff all get lifetime NRA membership as one of the perks of being around ...me.
Then there is my personal campaign to ensure all those who are near and dear are well armed. We don't do monthly exercises at the range anymore but we do still get out from time to time.
I have also learned that a liberal who has never fired a gun is different that one who has been our shooting with me. They still profess concern but the smile on their faces tells the story.
Take a lib to the gun range. You will be surpeised at how easy it can be to win them over on this issue. If you can get them to buy a gun...well you have saved a soul...and maybe your gun rights.
^^ This.
If everyone who expressed concern about the 2A did this with just a small number of people, there wouldn't be any concern. And many more people could help deter less than civil behavior.
A fascist, police state does not like its citizens owning guns.
Ship sailed.
I think it might be worse than that considering Hitler relaxed them to some degree (assuming you weren't Jewish of course).
BTFD, gun sales are about to set another record.
You're probably right, it might be a good idea to own some SWH shares. Bit it might be an even better idea to own some of the company's product.
BTFG(un)
Dumb ass market might want to read what is being changed. He is just trying to close the so call "Gun show Loop Hole" that deals with private sales, so used guns. Has no effect on new guns.
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Gun control is incremental. The gun grabbers are NEVER happy. As soon as they get one little "loophole" closed, they move on to the next perceived "loophole".
If they didn't keep trying to grab more guns, they would be out of a job.
Those who refer to themselves as 'liberal' or 'progressive' are liars at their core. They say what they want is 'fair', 'common-sense', 'reasonable' whilst labelling those who disagree 'extreme'. This is how they move the gateposts. Time for 10-30 million to say 'Fuck it' and knuckle up.
Closing the "Gun Show Loop Hole" means a national registry of firearms, that is the only way to "close" the loophole is for the feds to know who posesses every gun within the United States. So, if you still think that's a good idea, then please leave ZH and find some statist-progressive website to troll on.
They pretty much already have a national gun registry. Homeowners policies don't cover guns usually, so you have to get an inland marine policy... well, the insurance company wants make, model, and serial numbers for all of the insured firearms, along with pictures! I strongly suspect that part of the general government data collection involves insurance companies...
Each time your SS# is taken through the background check process, they know you bought something... not necessarily the firearm that you bought, but they know where to go get the written record of transfer (that's held by the gun store). The gun store isn't going to bar entry to the BATFE...
Also, if you buy a firearm with a credit card, then they know you bought one, possibly even the make/model. Further, you probably get a confirmation e-mail to a g-mail account or the like, which would definitely include a make/model... which is also monitored...
Fuck their registry. I don't care. Not going tobe ruies by fear.
KRISS my ass.
We should just do away with Congress. Executive orders are all the president needs today.
Sad days for Amerika.
they are there for self enrichment & to fund the demise of USSA by that muslim terroriwst oblowme
They have already had their balls removed.
Royal Edicts.
Not having any of it.
Or a phone if he doesn't have his pen handy.
I have enough guns to fend off a small army.
The great thing about good guns- is that they never go down in value. They always hold their price or go up. You can buy them safely and have a lot of peace of mind.
problem is, the militarized police can now blow up your house etc. 1000 times with their military arsenal from many miles away & I have no doubt after the power brokers steal all your money in the banks, thats's exactly what will occur to true Americans.
What good would all that money be? America would be gone by that point, there'd BE no money in the banks, and there would be multiple foreign nations with troops and advisors here to 'help' one side or the other...do you think the world would just sit by and watch without trying to affect outcomes if we devolved into civil war?
It would be a field day for them. Make no mistake about it...if we turn on each other, we WILL be divided amongst Russia, China, etc before it's all over. Any losing side in a civil war would make a deal with anyone who offered assistance, and there'd be PLENTY of countries offering so they can get a piece of that pie. America would be ground zero for every 'proxy war' on the planet.
The rest of the world would be very happy to actively interfere in any civil war here. It would NOT just be us, working it out between ourselves.
The nation needs to split. There is TOO much difference between the urban East/West coastal areas and the flyover states. If I wanted a divorce from the Fedcoat US.gov, I'd be getting Putin on line 1.
Pull together? My ass. Those fucking libtards who want to grab my guns and make me pay a carbon credit for a 'cause' that is fake can suckstart my shotgun.
That's a bit exaggerated, unless the police have recently been issued artillery.
they never go down in value.
B U L L S H I T!!
AR 15s were WAY more expensive then they are now. People that paid 12 to 1400 -2 years ago have lost their asses if forced to sell now.
Please do some thinking before you post BS>
There are "bubbles" with specific guns and ammo, just like everything else.
However if you buy at "normal" prices, both guns and ammo have always gone up. I've been buying guns and ammo for the past 30 years, and as for value? They've done FAR better than gold and silver.
Right now there's a bubble with 22LR ammo. Why is there such a "shortage" of 22LR? Because people walk into a store and see shelves empty or almost empty, and that sends a subconscious message "shortage". So they buy everything in sight, which perpetuates the "shortage" fears to others, and so on.
When everyone has had their fill and stop buying, the shelves will fill up again, and the "shortage" and bubble prices shall pass.
However if you buy at "normal" prices.
OIC.. "normal" prices.. Tell me what is/was the normal price of gold? Or a Buick?
*sigh*
Idiots, I am surrounded by morons and idiots.
Gold is in the tail end of a bubble, and that bubble BURST a few years ago.
"Normal" prices is when there's no hype surrounding a product. Meaning people don't want it simply becasue it's more expensive.
It's funny, that people always want things MORE, when prices are at their peak. When prices are normal (read "low") then people don't want those items, unless they need them for a specific reason, and not "just because", or out of fear or desire.
Let me guess, you bought silver and gold when they were much more expensive than today.... Those that did are the perfect examples of people wanting things when they are more expensive. When gold was "cheap" from 15 to 30 years ago, nobody wanted it.
You guessed wrong. I buy the g/s ratio. I see silver @ 75 to 1 and i think one of two things. Either gold is way expensive or silver is way cheap. SO.. I buy silver hoping to trade to gold when ratio is back to "normal".. see how this normal shit works?
In a time of total insanity, is there any such thing as normal?
Silver production is economic down to about $7/oz. So there's still lots of room to fall.
Gold? Price depends much less on production cost, becasue the annual amount mined only increases worldwide stockpiles by 2%.
More significantly, only 12% of gold is used industrially, the rest of annual gold production/sales is reliant on discretionary spending, with 50% of annual production going to jewelry. So becasue of the huge luxury demand for gold in jewelry, it could easily go much lower with more global slowdown.
Contrary to popular myths, it's not the central banks, speculators or gold bugs that support the price of gold, but the jewellery and industrial demand that determines the price.
Silver on the other hand, 50% is used industrially. But that other 50% is still discretionary, and it can easily drop, just as much as gold. The production cost of silver of $7/oz for primary silver mining (dedicated, silver only mines) represent 31% of silver production. The remaining silver production? It's a byproduct of copper and non-ferrous metal mining, and it's cost is only a couple dollars an oz. So lots of downside possible.
Over the course of the nineteenth century, for various reasons, gold was increasingly favored first by European nations, then by the United States, supposedly as a more stable monetary asset due to its rarity. The prejudice in favor of gold and against silver was due to many reasons, but the bottom line is that silver began to be demonetized in the late 19th century. This demonetization only accelerated throughout the twentieth century as countries from China to the U.S banished their silver from currency circulation. It also did not help matters that huge new discoveries of silver in places like the American West dumped ever more silver on the market. Yet without governments getting rid of silver stockpiles, or refusing to coin new silver bullion at the mint, the monetary demand for silver would not have dropped to as great a degree as it did. Governments took part in a campaign to demolish the monetary value of silver, really, and this cultural legacy has left its scars on the importance of silver as an investment. By the early twentieth century, the value of silver was nearing 100 ounces to 1 ounce of gold, the lowest in history. Yet, the mine production of silver was not 100 times that of gold, nor was the relative abundance of silver money 100 times that of gold.
You should note, then, that the prejudice of the official sector (governments and mints) in the US and Europe has played a factor in the widening of the gold/silver ratio away from 15 to 1, to anywhere from 35: 1 up to 100:1. The dumping of silver on the market by government continued right up until a few years ago. Between 1965 and 2000 governments sold over 3 billion ounces of silver, versus roughly 150 million ounces of gold over the same time period. Moreover, another billion or so ounces of silver was consumed by industry, as opposed to private gold stockpiles actually increasing. The official sector, beginning in late 2009, has begun to buy back some of this gold. They have not begun to do the same with silver. Should we be wondering when they might start?
Keeping with the issue of official sales, governments at present only hold at most 60 million ounces of silver, as compared with 1 billion ounces of gold. Among those who run our world, silver is now far rarer than gold.
You've said a lot of nothing. Other than silver is going to fall a lot further and gold is right behind it.
Quit buying crap, run of the mill weapons and you wont see a reduction in values.
Every moron owns a Glock or M&P striker fired plastic fantastick pistol or Bushmaster AR. Gangbangers like their Hi Points and Bersas.
I dont see STI or Wilson 1911 owners lamenting this issue.
Or you could stick to classic weapons like Swiss K31s, Mosins, Mauser 98s, Finnish M39s, Garands, etc.
You wont see those dropping in value.
So now we have to buy things that are not comon and or expensive as hell to hold value OR the bottom of the used military hardware to retain value?
Please.. During the panic just about any gun on the market was more expensive than it is now.
Quit trying to justify the losses of panic buying. It happened, people lost money on guns and ammo..deal with it.
Run of the mill firearms I almost always buy used, in excellent conditon, and they've never gone down in value. Sort of like buying a 1 year old car with very low mileage. It doesn't deperciate nearly as quickly as a new car.
I also have a lot of high quality classic and high end (SVI) that have also kept their value.
Holding value instead of increasing in value means you lost money.
P e r i o d
And please, dont try to tell me your used 30.06 you bought from Big Five 3 years ago is worth more today.
The only point of money is to "lose" it.
Funny that when people talk about their stack of gold when it loses value or doesn't increase with inflation, they claim it's "insurance".
When I say maintain value, it is in real dollars, that means it's value has kept pace with the price of new firearms.
And no, I'm not talking about "ordinary" guns. They lose value very quickly, there's nothing special about them. The ones that have increased in value the most are high quality ones that are no longer being produced.
Ammo is even better.
I've got a few cases of 50-ct boxes of Win FMJ 22LR HPs, each is marked "SALE 2 / $1.19"
Remember those prices?
"It wasn't even that long ago, it only seems like forever. Everything does now."
- Bill Clinton
.22 is coming back and is WAY LESS expensive than in previous years. During the ammo shortage prices were through the roof, now prices are again easing.
Supply and demand.. pure and simple
When you can buy a brick of CCI mini mags for $20, I'd say prices have returned to normal.
$48/brick is not normal.
1980 prices in 2016 is not normal either.
Your dates are off, I've still got part of a brick I bought for $10 around 2000. In 1980 it would have been only around $5.
You can't have global governance without a disarmed populace. Americans are being stubborn and time is running short. Hell Trump might win....gasp
If a state resists takeover it will be destroyed physically if necessary.
I can guarantee you that any state facing that would NOT stand alone...regardless of whether they were red or blue.
You'd see a choosing of sides, and larger conflict coming. These are the times we find ourselves in, we are like raw nerves, quivering at every tiny breeze. It won't take much to piss off enough people at once to ignite something very unpleasant.
There are way too many people angry at SOMETHING going on in their worlds. At some point, one of these groups will come to blows with authority, and all the others will take the opportunity to blow off a little of THEIR steam, and then it's on like Donkey Kong.
I can tell you what will muster me out: (1) a gun grab; (2) arrests of those expressing their negative opinion of .gov or .gov employees; (3) any handover of soverign power to any 'global' organization. Those are my red lines. When any of these get crossed, I will resist with every possible tool at my disposal. With the White Housenigger agitating for a gun grab, you best believe I'm @ Def-Con 2.
Then you have a larger conflict or even a world war, the bigger the conflict, the bigger the 'solution' afterwards.
SWHC UP !!
doh !
Ruger needs to relocate.
I know they have a 2nd place in the free state of New Hampshire and I thought they were looking for a 3rd in Texas, but ya they should bail on CT.
BOLDER DAESH
start passing around the RE-CALL NOTICE
Notice—To whom it may concern:
THERE SHALL BE NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON PROSECUTION FOR TREASON.
True Treason is prosecuted by a lynch mob. Don't expect the instruments of the State to do it, with all their "laws" and their legal system.
This. When enough people feel wronged, they will take justice, it will happen in the streets, and it will be bloody good fun. Those Fedcoats best have a look @ the video of Mussolini swinging with his main bitch over the streets of Milan.
Wait. No mention of the impact on gun manufacturers from the Supreme Court refusing to take up a challenge to Highland Park, Illinois' assault weapons ban, a major defeat for the NRA? Only Thomas and Scalia agreed with the NRA that the ban violated second amendment rights.
Failure to state a claim. Courts will ALWAYS presume another branch of government is acting correctly. It is up to the litigants to question the other branches. A lawyer was not trained to do it either.
Definition of contraband = an imported item thats tariff was never paid. Law is a bullshit game. If you want any rights, you'd better learn the game.
What does your comment have to do with the Supreme Court upholding a lower court opinion? What other branch of government are you referring to and how is it relevant to the Supreme Court ruling in favor of a local government being able to pass gun control laws, which creates precedent for more such legislation? All courts are part of the Judicial Branch.
The Supreme Court's opinion is only relevant insofar as everyone agrees to abide by the social contract of governance. Arguably, the wanton flouting of the rule of law by the executive branch as well as .gov agency employees (including Lois Lerner and that nigger over @ the 'Just-Us' Dept) has reached the critical threshold where withdrawing consent to be governed is fair, reasonable, and prudent. If we are not already at the point of might = right, we are damn close to it. Those 9 old fuckers can all go hang at the point the dogs of war start barking. . . Like they can even relate to the average 10%er. . .
Right. Except, the majority of Americans support an assault weapons ban, and only a small minority of those that don't are crazy enough to think it would be worth the repercussions of civil disobedience to keep them. Pretty much a lost cause, imo. Wake me up when the "slippery slope" becomes a ban on all guns. Thats just NRA propaganda working the useful idiots (like you) for gun manufacturer cronies.
If the local citizenry vote to ban assault weapons, that is democracy in action. According to circuit court judge Easterbrook:
http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/rssExec.pl?Submit=Display&Path=Y20...
Judge Eastbrook is a retarded traitor. The 2nd amendment is binding on state and federal governments and that does not rely on the 14th amendment extension. The first amendment, addressed to Congress, did not aply to states originally. The second did not have the quaifier limiting the prohibition to Congress.
all of these politicians have their own security details..and they all have guns...go figure
When SHTF I'm sure it won't be enough!!
I will be very interested in the mechanism to implement this EO. The only way that you can Big Brother can force compliance is to register all weapons, so they know who 'should' own what.
If the Obama Gang has the balls to outlaw guns and kill the Constitution, they will have the balls to kill Trump. And anyone else who threatens their New World Order.
Fuk background checks.
Private sales in states that are private sale friendly is where it at!
Obama and his HANDLERS, the J-Tribe FLAUNT the laws on immigration, and they are a JOKE, and the 2nd Amendment.
The government is BOLSHEVIK run, once you understand that then you will know how to react.
Marvin Harris, one of the world's most noted anthropologists, wrote a book in 1980. This title was previously available as America Now: The Anthropology of a Changing Culture. New York: Simon & Schuster. The new title is Why Nothing Works: The Anthropology of Daily Life 1981.
In the chapter titled: Why There's Terror on the Streets, he demonstrates that American White men have violent crime rates LOWER than English in England and the Japanese in Japan. So why does America have such a high level of violent crime? Dr Harris puts it quite plainly: Blacks and Hispanics. That's the story. He also pointed out that the average gun owner is a middle-aged, middle class White guy.
The HORRIFIC violence against Whites that our government is eager to allow.
Washington Post Op-Ed Cheers: Mass Immigration Will Destroy NRA, Second Amendment
To understand how this happened to America, Europe and Australia it is all explained here:
Review of 'The Culture of Critique'
Preface to the First Paperback Edition PDF
Preface to the First Paperback Edition HTML
I read that Google, Schmidt mentioned it, is going to use algorithms to filter out White voices that don't fit the J-Tribe's agenda.
Democrat Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson--passed the Jackson-Vanik Amendment in 1974
I can still walk into a SF Bay Area sporting goods store and buy ammunition with cash. The clerks look at my CDL but don't type anything in. It's all about the databases, gentlemen. If you are not in it, or in it but with the proper readout, and they cannot see you. Nightmare State, just around the corner.
Shortly, these days will be gone forever. Gov. Brown and Lt. Gov. Newsom are no doubt cooking up a very ugly plan for law-abiding California gun owners. They have been eerily silent for the handlicking statists they are.
Until the door shuts and locks, never to be opened again ... I am buying all I can, as often as I can. Firearms and ammo. The bottom is in, pricewise.
The descent of our particular culture under the Sun is calibrated to proceed very slowly. Protecting my family and home are my first considerations because I know the police will not be there. Period. The next correction will be brutal and the ferals will be out and about. I'm counting on it.
Just remember after the 1994 GOP sweep in elections Bill Clinton ordered the IRS to audit the NRA, he knew who to blame. It cost the NRA millions of dollars to defend itself, of course they were innocent but that is how.gov gets revenge, and in the future it will be worse, much worse.
Mugging Americans: ObamaCare’s Jonathan Gruber And Norbert Schlei Of The 1965 Immigration Act
GRUBER: "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage."
https://youtu.be/G790p0LcgbI
Giving deeper meaning to the term Ivory Tower, an MIT Economics Professor who doubles as an Obamacrat enforcer went to the ‘24th Annual Health Economics Conference’ at the University of Pennsylvania in October 2013, and forgot that the Peasants can watch videos.
What makes ObamaCare politically explosive is that it is racial socialism, plundering economically competent whites for the benefit of economically unviable non-whites: that is why the President wanted it.
This insight into the mentality of the Obamacare intellectual heavy lifters brings to mind a similar case discussed by Peter Brimelow (former Executive Editor Forbes magazine) in Norbert Schlei—Guilty of Malice Aforethought in America`s Immigration Disaster?
How many other American policy disasters have at their roots Grubers and Schleis deviously promoting their own agendas?
Norbert Schlei Interview
https://vimeo.com/111554555
AR is about useless against aerial GAU, rocket, directed energy or chemical etc.
Gun owners are smarter than the press. They appreciate the press assistance announcing a hammering so they can "buy the dip", because the faithful know the stocks are going up.
Tom, hard to target 9.5 million people.