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The New Crypto Wars – FBI Director James Comey Threatens Silicon Valley

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

I’ve covered in detail how the U.S. establishment has been aggressively pushing against the American public’s right to private communications, i.e. encryption, ever since the terror attacks in Paris. This push continues unabated, with the latest shots fired earlier this week by FBI chief James Comey at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.

We learn the following from the Intercept:

FBI Director James Comey on Wednesday called for tech companies currently offering end-to-end encryption to reconsider their business model, and instead adopt encryption techniques that allow them to intercept and turn over communications to law enforcement when necessary.

 

Comey had previously argued that tech companies could somehow come up with a “solution” that allowed for government access but didn’t weaken security. Tech experts called this a “magic pony” and mocked him for his naivete.

 

Now, Comey said at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday morning, extensive conversations with tech companies have persuaded him that “it’s not a technical issue.”

 

“It is a business model question,” he said. “The question we have to ask is: Should they change their business model?”

 

Comey’s clear implication was that companies that think it’s a good business model to offer end-to-end encryption — or, like Apple, allow users to fully encrypt their iPhones — should roll those services back.

 

Comey indicated that these companies should be satisfied providing customers with encryption that allows for interception by the providers, who can then turn over the information to law enforcement.

 

Privacy experts say that the same holes in encryption that allow for authorized interception also allow for unauthorized interception — and therefore provide insufficient security.

 

Comey acknowledged that encrypted apps would still exist. But, he said, encryption “by default” is the real problem. He told Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, that “I think there’s no way we solve this entire problem. … The sophisticated user could still find a way.”

 

That didn’t stop him from calling for an international standard for encryption technologies, however. Many popular encrypted applications are not U.S. based. Any action imposed on American companies would likely handicap them and lead customers to turn to overseas options.

 

Comey did not request specific legislation to compel companies to abandon end-to-end encryption, but told Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., that he would like to see all companies responding to lawful requests for data. Feinstein offered to pursue legislation herself, citing fear that her grandchildren might start communicating with terrorists over encrypted PlayStation systems.

Does that seriously keep you up at night Feinstein? You need to get out more.

Toward the end of the hearing, Comey seemed to contradict his earlier comments urging companies to reconsider their business models. “I don’t want to tell them how to do their business,” he said. Then, moments later, he added that “there are costs to being an American business — you can’t pollute.” The implication there was that American businesses might need to comply with new standards regardless of what the rest of the world does — as if providing end-to-end encryption to protect the average person’s communications is the same as destroying the environment.

The worst part about all of this, as noted above, is that getting large tech companies to cease end-to-end encryption will only affect average Americans. Motivated players, such as the rich and powerful, criminals and terrorists, will have no problem accessing tools for strong encryption. As I previously highlighted in the post, Government is Lying – New Study Shows No Increase in Use of Encryption by Jihadists Since Snowden Revelations:

Bottom line: banning encryption or enforcing tech companies to backdoor communications services has zero chance of being effective at stopping terrorists finding ways to communicate securely. They can and will route around such attempts to infiltrate their comms, as others have detailed at length.

 

Here’s a recap: terrorists can use encryption tools that are freely distributed from countries where your anti-encryption laws have no jurisdiction.

 

Terrorists can (and do) build their own securely encrypted communication tools. Terrorists can switch to newer (or older) technologies to circumvent enforcement laws or enforced perforations. They can use plain old obfuscation to code their communications within noisy digital platforms like the Playstation 4 network, folding their chatter into general background digital noise (of which there is no shortage). And terrorists can meet in person, using a network of trusted couriers to facilitate these meetings, as Al Qaeda — the terrorist group that perpetrated the highly sophisticated 9/11 attacks at a time when smartphones were far less common, nor was there a ready supply of easy-to-use end-to-end encrypted messaging apps — is known to have done.

 

Point is, technology is not a two-lane highway that can be regulated with a couple of neat roadblocks — whatever many politicians appear to think. All such roadblocks will do is catch the law-abiding citizens who rely on digital highways to conduct more and more aspects of their daily lives. And make those law-abiding citizens less safe in multiple ways.

Moreover, as was recently noted by Marcy Wheeler, the criminal mega banks are already moving fast to secure their communications. Yet, somehow Comey doesn’t seem particularly bothered by that…

From EmptyWheel:

I doubt he had the Transnational Crime Organizations on Wall Street in mind when he talked about the bad guys “still not be able to be decrypted.”

But HSBC, JP Morgan Chase, Citi, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs and the other big banks supporting Symphony Communications — a secure cloud based communications system about to roll out — are surely among the world’s most hard-core recidivists, and their crime does untold amount of damage to ordinary people around the globe.

 

Which is why I’m so amused that Elizabeth Warren has made a stink about the imminent rollout of Symphony and whether it will affect banks’ ability to evade what scant law enforcement might be thrown their way.

I have [] concerns about how the biggest banks use of this new communications tool will impact compliance and enforcement by the Department of Justice [Warren sent versions of the letter to 6 regulators] at the federal level.

 

My concerns are exacerbated by Symphony’s publicly available descriptions of the new communications system, which appear to put companies on notice — with a wink and a nod — that they can use Symphony to reduce compliance and enforcement concerns. Symphony claims that “[i]n the past, communication tools designed for the financial services sector were limited in reach and effectiveness by strict regulatory compliance … We’re changing the communications paradigm” The company’s website boasts that it has special tools to “prevent government spying,” and “there are no backdoors,” and that “Symphony has designed a specific set of procedures to guarantee that data deletion is permanent.”

 

Warren is right to be concerned. These are serial conspiracists on a global scale, and (as Warren notes elsewhere) they’ve only been caught — to the extent that hand slaps count as being caught — when DOJ found the chat rooms in which they’ve colluded.

 

If Jim Comey is going to bitch and moan about criminals potentially exploiting access to encrypted communications, then he should start his conversation with the banks, not Apple. If he remains silent about this gang and their secure communications, then he needs to concede, once and for all, that actual humans need to have access to the same privilege of secure communications.

Just in case you still have any doubt that this is all about spying on the citizenry, as opposed to stopping elite crime or terrorism.

 

 

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Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:15 | 6905378 surf0766
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Bubba Trump and his we have to shut parts of the internet down will be a great pair with Comey

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:28 | 6905494 lincolnsteffens
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Actually, shutting down all the servers in the USA by intent of the companies that control them or communications manufacturers could go on strike and shut down for a day in protest would scare the shit out of .gov. If it didn't work these companies could shut down for a week. All hell would break out including a 2% drop in tax revenues from profits/sales taxes etc.

Two can play at this game.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:41 | 6905591 Manthong
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Actually, millions can play at that game.

They shut down servers, just stop sending .gov fiat.

If enough do it, they are f'd.

.. and that goes for their Money Center bank Overlords, too.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:58 | 6905731 SoilMyselfRotten
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Hey Comey, forgot how you were one of the good guys once upon a time??? Threw in the towel, huh?

 

 

http://www.cato.org/blog/what-comeys-surveillance-hospital-showdown-was-...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:46 | 6906066 Stainless Steel Rat
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These asshats are going to ruin US companies ability to compete in the new emerging communications infrastructure.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:09 | 6906254 Implied Violins
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What's it matter any more? It's all one fucking military industrial corporation owned by the banksters. They don't need competition any more, they own everything.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:21 | 6906698 nuubee
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This argument is so retarded. Before the internet, was the FBI and CIA opening all your mail?

Nope. While the envelope information was probably being scanned, that's the same thing as traffic monitoring on the internet, no way to prevent that.

Was law enforcement happy with not being allowed to open everyone's mail in the pre-internet era?

You bet your ass they were, in fact most intelligence operatives would have considered any such request to do so a violation of law worthy of going to the next-level superior about.

 

Only now, with the internet, where decrypting doesn't require 1000s of labor hours by J Edgar Hoover picked Puerto Rican boys, does the government say, "Well, we could protect you if you let us read all your communications."

 

TOTAL BULLSHIT. Law enforcement is supposed to be difficult. If you can't work within the restrictions on government afforded to the civilian population by the constitution, then resign your fucking post you fucking fascist.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:38 | 6905571 doctor10
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yeah well somehow federal "back doors" aslways wind up for sale-and when your competitor slams your next contract you're out of business-annd all thats happened is that the FBI knows your employees' mistresses and their porn habits.

 

whats worse is when you have a Hillary involved in selling the backdoors overseas...

 

for American business to thrive andbe competitive, they need real security, not ersatz East German/fascist crony corporate make believ security

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:15 | 6905379 El Vaquero
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Go ahead and do it.  Open source software will fill the void.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:23 | 6905446 vq1
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TPP will take care of that. Open source will be destroyed due to undermining expected future profits"

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:37 | 6905564 savedeposit
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Sure dream on

I will write\program my own encryption in C or assambly if you like, it isnt that hard to do

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:34 | 6905505 McMolotov
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This new "War on Math" will be as successful as the wars on drugs, poverty, and terror.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:43 | 6905606 t0mmyBerg
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Exactly.  Which is why the best thing a statist asshole like Comey can do is bend over and suck his own balls.  What a piece of shit that guy is.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:48 | 6905642 CPL
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Eventually they'll declare war on gravity, air and banana fudge sundaes as well because they are warlike people that would fight with their own reflection in the mirror.  Mainly though it keeps them busy and contained like a special projects division.  And by special, I mean shortbus special.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:01 | 6905756 cougar_w
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They will declare war on everything because keeping the people on a war footing is how you control the people.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:51 | 6906831 CPL
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Correct, it's called manufacturing consent for rule.  However to rule would mean to govern, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of that going on.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:16 | 6905385 Spungo
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Decrypt all of the bank transactions done by politicians. Oh, look at that, they like encryption after all! Idiots.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:50 | 6905640 Slomotrainwreck
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Wait. They'll have revolving, oops "back doors" too, won't they? Isn't that how "they" keep the politicians, judges and FED in line?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:17 | 6905389 TalkToLind
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Y'all bitchez had better stop putting your cell phones on airplane mode. And don't stray out of your service provider's coverage area...makes it too difficult to track and eavesdrop on you.  

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:18 | 6905396 Ignatius
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Massive bank fraud was laid at the FBI's feet with no spying required, and this is what we get?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:19 | 6905406 carbonmutant
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Privacy is now a crime...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:21 | 6905431 vq1
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+ endangering the privacy of gov and big biz is also a crime (leaks, whistle blowing).

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:29 | 6905504 lincolnsteffens
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All your thoughts belong to us.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:14 | 6905798 cougar_w
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Privacy is not a crime. It doesn't need to be a crime and it won't be a crime.

What these guys are after are what Orwell (brilliantly) called "thought crimes". In this case, just wanting your privacy is a thought crime. As they say, if you have nothing to hide why are you so worried about your privacy? Terrorist much?

Thought crimes don't need legislation to be illegal, all you have to do is feel guilty for thinking a thought, or have others think you are guilty of something by stating a feeling that is contrary to the designs of The State. And then boom, you are caught.

Thought crimes even involve self-punishment, or punishment by peers. A lot of the people here at ZH are guilty of thought crimes. I certainly count myself among those.

You can understand why Statists are all over this kind of loosely defined "crime".

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:19 | 6905407 vq1
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Hey FBI, look over there! -> citadel, GS and HSBC

 

nvm... enjoy your unlocked iphones 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:49 | 6905649 Demdere
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And 9/11.

But they were taught about the danger of actually investigating 9/11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEeu88tkgZo

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:20 | 6905420 Dragon HAwk
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j2q3jj22...t234msgdk...9823is...0ak438dhwe...

  that's my cat saying Fuck you NSA

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:22 | 6905437 847328_3527
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Put them offeneders on the "Nawty" list!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:22 | 6905441 Implied Violins
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enCRYPTed. Break that fucking code, bee-yatchs. I hope you're right in the middle of it.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:25 | 6905461 unplugged
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fascist state tyranny

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:28 | 6905475 TalkToLind
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Outlaw clothing too...you can't hide physical cash, drugs, guns or explosives if you're NAKED. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:40 | 6905586 savedeposit
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Unless you keep it in your buttplug..... oh wait I forgot they check those holes too !

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:47 | 6905631 css1971
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Yeah but they can just shoot you so they're not afraid of those things. They'll outlaw AR500 armour though which stops them shooting you.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:28 | 6905492 VladLenin
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I don’t want to tell them how to do their business... but there are costs to being an American business."

 

So fuck you Murica and the ass you rode in on... dipshits.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:37 | 6905562 lincolnsteffens
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Too much destruction going on, not just here but world wide. Some group or groups are intentionally pushing this. Taxing everything, restricting peoples freedoms thorough commercial over regulation,  media spreading fear 24/7, primary education on continual decline, decline in labor participation, industry shipped over seas, currency decline of 97% since Fed. established, un payable national debts, and on and on.

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:28 | 6905493 gregga777
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The elites, their slavish enforcement trolls and bribery-besotted political parasites, are scared by the American Peoples rightful anger. The elites support terrorists and terrorism because it allows them to continue with their totalitarian police state project. Their great fear is that the American People will rise up and take this country back from the elites who want the United States of America to be subservient to the New World Order Globalists.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:29 | 6905499 rbgnr111
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all this sounds like a plan to kill all foriegn sales of us technology, and possibly move may of them outside the US. If they get their way I'd expect many of them to protect their sales overseas would move most of their work offshore killing a lot of the silicon valey jobs, and crippling more than they have already the view of US made IT products.

why would I want to buy a product that is built unsecure?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:31 | 6905516 cougar_w
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The government is out of their league here.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:32 | 6905518 atomicwasted
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But we have to do it to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:33 | 6905538 falak pema
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all this will do is to force the creative to make a new Internet that will be inaccessible to the US or other admin. Domain names and architecture totally outside the current WWW-http type access and usage.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:26 | 6905891 trader1
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Kim Dotcom is building his own private internet, allegedly safe from the prying eyes of surveillance authorities.

MegaNet will rely on people's unused processing power on their phones and laptops, and allow them to donate bandwidth to the service.

"The more people that install the MegaNet app on their devices, the more powerful it will become," Dotcom said via video link at Sydney's SydStart conference last week.

If 100 million smartphones joined up, the network would have more online storage capacity, bandwidth and calculating power than the top 10 largest websites in the world combined, he said.

It will rely on existing physical internet infrastructure people use today – so-called "dumb pipes" – but will add a new layer of encryption running through all communications.

Dotcom claimed the encryption technology he'll use is so powerful no super computer will be able to crack it.

The web mogul explained that "MegaNet" will work on a non-IP-based internet "that uses the beauty of blockchain [Bitcoin's public ledger] and new protocols to communicate and exchange data", while still using the internet's existing physical infrastructure.

"If you don't have IP addresses you can't hack the server, you can't execute denial of service attacks on gaming services or websites," Dotcom said from New Zealand, where he is currently awaiting the result of an extradition trial.

"Most importantly it will make it difficult for governments to invade our privacy. This entire network I'm working on is fully encrypted. It literally works from the people for the people."

In order to function, MegaNet is literally going to be using up your device's battery power, storage capacity and web bandwidth to power its so-called private network.

If you consent, it will draw from your smartphone's processing power and bandwidth while it's idle – for instance, when you're asleep – if it's plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi.

However, Dotcom said MegaNet's default settings would use only processing power, and users would opt in to donate bandwidth.

"In the beginning you set your restrictions," he said.

"The default is no use of bandwidth, and only storage on your phone. But if you want to, it enables us to utilise some of your bandwidth . Users are fully in control. It's not costing them anything."

As for the blockchain, MegaNet will borrow from Bitcoin's lauded method of recording transactions, but instead of users storing transaction records, they will store some of the files that make up this new "alternative private internet". 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/73578775/kim-dotcom-is-...

 

 

MAx Keiser interviewing Kim DotCom about his MegaNet project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fVl06phBGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=076Jplu1Abk

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:01 | 6906185 JustUsChickensHere
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All of that sounds like the old Freenet project (which is still going) ... but is open source, and far more proven.

Freenet is still very slow because not enough people use it, so perhaps Meganet will get wide usage due to the commercial backing.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:40 | 6905587 Anopheles
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If anyone wants to read all about cryptography and what's actually going on, Bruce Schneier is a very well known cryptographyer and has been writing a blog and newsletter for a couple decades.   His predictions from years and decades ago have been very accurate and insightful. 

https://www.schneier.com/

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:40 | 6905588 Velo Puck
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To FBI Director Comey:

The rights of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers (digital and written), and effects (emails, cell phone conversations, texts, photographs and location), against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describingthe place to be searched, and the persons or things to be siezed.

That there is the 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights, and all those who violate or tresspass against it are guilty of Treason.

Yours truly, Dan Bob Romig Minneapolis Minnesota USA

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:14 | 6905842 More Ammo
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Velo Puck, Treason? My estimate is that would include almost every .gov "employee"

I read that 17% work for .gov or twice the number now in prison.

330,000,000 x .17 = 5,610,000

Just contemplate how big the prisions and mass graves would have to be to prosecute them properly.

So lets do it!

 

disclamer: please check my data and math as I have been designated an "extremist" my .gov

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:45 | 6905618 css1971
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The government is not afraid of terrorists. Terrorists are no threat to the government. The government is afraid of YOU.

YOU are the one who has to be controlled. It's blatantly obvious by their actions.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:49 | 6905644 Herdee
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First you good quality encryption on your web activity including e-mail and mobile communications.Then you even add this as well, because not even the FBI can break it.See who uses it:

https://www.route1.com/

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:52 | 6905676 gaoptimize
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I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Mr. Comey and the other police state powers that be if there was a warrant process that was transparent and certified by organizations I trust (eff.org, Judicial Watch, and yes even Amenesty International and the ACLU).  But the Snowden and Binney revelations make it clear we can't trust any of this to be Constitutional or fair.

I've actually considered sending a letter to the NSA asking to opt out of the bulk, drag net surveillance on Constitutional grounds, provide them a copy of my SF86 and FBI file (which would be a pain for me to get) and saying I'd be happy to answer any questions in the presence of an attourney.  I'd even be glad to send the High Definition BluRay of the porn video and stills my wife and I shoot, rather than the crap quality they get on-line, if that is what they are really interested in.

In my heart, I know I'm a great American.  I helped win the cold war.  I hate being under this constant implied suspicion and surveillance.

 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:53 | 6905690 Ban KKiller
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James Comey and James Clapper. Did they both go to traitor school or what? These two war mongers are exactly what is wrong but...that is how they got their jobs. Sister fuckers, no doubt. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:02 | 6905765 me or you
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From now on if the phone doesn't say made in China or Russia I'm not buying it... No more US emails providers either. The FBI and the others suckers can fuck themselves.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:11 | 6905819 cougar_w
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The FBI are on the wires, not the phones. Use any phone you want including an old rotary from 1955, it won't matter.

It's even worse with cell phones.

The only solution is encryption before the signal hits the wire. This might already be illegal though (I think on-the-fly voice encryption was classified as a munition decades ago) but it is also your only solution.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:42 | 6906033 me or you
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Yeah I know but I'm talking about email and messages encryption...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:10 | 6906658 cougar_w
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Yes email is another matter. Combined with PKI email can be secured (barring backdoor exploits to the crypto standards, good luck with that). But email is not the purpose of a phone, rather voice communications is the purpose. And regarding voice, we are hosed up.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:08 | 6905802 me or you
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What next? Camera in every room of our house?

 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:13 | 6905835 cougar_w
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They have a camera on your laptop computer, and another (or two actually) on your smart phone. And every other smart phone around you. So you see they have everything covered already.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:18 | 6905868 withglee
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Yeh. Wait til they hear about scotch tape.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:33 | 6905978 me or you
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They can't do anything if the phone is made in China

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:12 | 6906267 cougar_w
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Your phone is already Made in China. But it doesn't even matter where it's put together. All the phones whoever made them must conform to carrier protocols and transmit over established radio frequnecies. They must run some kind of operating system, usually one of a very few. As a rule the operating systems are not made in China but in the US (Apple iOS and Android). So there is no escape. None at all.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:21 | 6906350 me or you
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Xaiomi  OS?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:07 | 6906634 cougar_w
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... is Android made to look like iOS:

http://gizmodo.com/xiaomis-next-os-is-the-most-shameless-ios-rip-off-you...

Nothing "new" comes out of Asia, ever.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:16 | 6905855 withglee
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as Al Qaeda — the terrorist group that perpetrated the highly sophisticated 9/11 attacks at a time when smartphones were far less common, nor was there a ready supply of easy-to-use end-to-end encrypted messaging apps — is known to have done.

What absolute nonsense!

Why did WTC7 fall down? How did Al Qaeda get that done?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:25 | 6905909 DrData02
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Carney should be arrested for treason against the Constitution.  Where is Elliot Ness when you need him?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:54 | 6906118 22winmag
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Where is Gabriel (Travolta) from Swordfish?

 

He really put the smack down on traitors and terrorists.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:32 | 6905969 Consuelo
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"Just in case you still have any doubt that this is all about spying on the citizenry, as opposed to stopping elite crime or terrorism."

 

Yes but...

 

'Spying' is only .5 of the equation.   No one spies without a purpose or a goal.   In the case of the spying going on in the U.S., it is clear that the other .5 of this equation involves building dossiers on everyone, and then at the appropriate time, separating the herd based upon affiliations that are deemed counter to the advancement of the State.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:12 | 6906272 PoasterToaster
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We have no duty to obey.  They have no duty to control.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:55 | 6906847 don in maine
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Start using Signal  App....Iphone or Android

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcrime.securesms...

 

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 01:04 | 6908785 onmail1
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FBI is a puppet of cabals

& cabals run america

cabals want to take away yo freedom

for profit

Fri, 12/11/2015 - 06:17 | 6909211 Major Epeen
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Everybody should now proceed to download gpg4win and use it to encrypt everyday messages. Also send messages between your own email accounts. There does not have to be anything in them but it will infuriate the security services as the cannot read them. Just encrypt your shopping lists etc. Put a small clear text message alongside it like: "dirty bomb info"

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2

hQIMA5/1YppythqbAQ//b3rhIFq5kRymun16CR91Tcv3O/8KXByIuo3S6JP0tAVk
r6eK0efUetHIq7JAzbuOLvF7leYHzn937M4rL0FA7Ww0kOavit7lW9/hDmjHJg3n
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