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US Has Secret, "Non-Negotiable" Plan To Send 100,000 US, Saudi Troops To Iraq, Lawmaker Claims

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“For every seven Shiites killed, we want seven Sunnis [killed] in their place.”

That rather alarming declaration comes from outspoken Iraqi lawmaker Hanan Al-Fatlawi. Not known for holding her tongue, the Shia MP inflamed sectarian tensions with her eye for an eye tirade in the summer of 2014, prompting Diana Moukalled, the Web Editor at the Lebanon-based Future Television to pen the following sharp rebuke

No one will be safe from the worsening situation in Iraq; and many parties are guilty. But for the prime minister [ZH: al-Maliki at the time] and MPs from his coalition to turn the bloody discourse of sectarian violence into an official language is a major moment in history, 10 years into the experiment that is the new Iraq.

In another infamous TV appearance turned ugly, the firebrand lawmaker was once accused of being an Iranian puppet by a Sunni tribal leader from Anbar (where Iraq is now fighting to wrest control of Ramadi from ISIS). “You should be ashamed of yourselves, a quarter of you came from a broad and you sold Iraq. We don't know you; who are you? we don’t know your origins. We are not leaders of parties or militias, we are tribal leader and we speak for the people.” he said. 

In January, Fatlawi withdrew from Maliki's State of Law coalition to form her own political movement called Irada (Arabic for "will"). She’s also suggested - as has Iran - that the US is secretly supporting Islamic State. Here’s an interesting excerpt from an article Huffington Post ran back in March: 

“A lot of events happened in multiple places supporting the opinion that the U.S. in one way or another supports ISIS -- giving them food or arms,” Hanan al-Fatlawi, an outspoken Shia member of parliament, said by phone. She has publicly stated that the United States may be secretly throwing its weight behind the extremist Sunni militants who have violently seized control of large swaths of Iraq and Syria. She points to a blast in the restive Anbar province, where Sunni tribesmen are battling ISIS, that killed dozens of Iraqi troops, saying that it was the Americans who killed them. She's not alone in her views.

“Many people in Iraq believe me,” she explained. “They believe that ISIS is probably a baby of the USA or a baby of Israel.”

 

Al-Fatlawi says she’s suspicious of U.S. involvement in the battle to retake Tikrit that stalled 10 days ago. While Iraqi officials cited the need for more well-trained reinforcements to help clear the heavily booby-trapped city, she has a different story: The United States made Iraqi forces halt the offensive to help ISIS, or so that the Americans could swoop in and save the day, claiming victory as their own.

 

Most of all, Al-Fatlawi says, she just can’t believe that the United States, with all of its weaponry, military intelligence and international sway, would have this much trouble taking out ISIS. It just doesn’t add up, she says.

Indeed. 

Well now, Fatlawi contends that according to "information [she] has from inside the meeting," John McCain last month told PM Haider Al-Abadi that the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE are set to send in a total of 100,000 troops to Iraq. Here's a screenshot of Fatlawi's Facebook post

And here's RT with a bit more:

During a meeting in Baghdad on November 27, McCain told Prime Minister Haider Abadi and a number of senior Iraqi cabinet and military officials that the decision was ‘non-negotiable’, claimed Hanan Fatlawi, the head of the opposition Irada Movement.

 

“A hundred thousand foreign troops, including 90,000 from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and Jordan, and 10,000 troops from America will be deployed in western regions of Iraq,” she wrote on her Facebook page.

 

She added that the Iraqi prime minister protested the plan, but was told that “the decision has already been taken.”

As RT goes on to note, that may sound far-fetched but it's not at all inconsistent with what Lindsey Graham (who joined McCain on the trip) said in Iraq and what McCain himself said yesterday in the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing with Ash Carter.

From Graham last month: “Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey – they have regional armies and they would go into the fight if we put [the removal of] Assad on the table. Most of the fight will be done by the region. They will pay for this war."

From McCain on Wednesday: “A small component of American forces with international forces, which could be gathered and then go in and take out this caliphate. If we went in with a large Arab force, with Turks and Egyptians even … there’s 20,000 to 30,000 of them [ISIS fighters], they are not giants.”

Well guess what? The Turks are already there. They arrived with two dozen tanks near Mosul last Friday.

"I've personally reached out to 40 countries," Carter told the committee, which is ironic because that's the exact same number of countries Putin says are supporting ISIS. Here's WaPo

He specifically named the Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia, and Turkey as needing to put more skin in the game. Turkey, Carter said, “must do more” to control its long border with Syria that many ISIS fighters cross undetected, and criticized Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, which had joined “only the air part” of the anti-ISIS campaign in its early days, for becoming “preoccupied” by the conflict in Yemen since.

Yes, "preoccupied" with the conflict in Yemen, which is of course just a proxy war between Riyadh and Tehran, as is the war in Syria. Interestingly, were the Saudis, the UAE, and Qatar to get overtly (as opposed to the covert support they already provide to various Sunni extremists) involved in Iraq, it would be yet another attempt to rollback Iranian influence.

As we've said all along, all of these conflicts are part and parcel of a Mid-East power struggle between Russia and Iran on one side, and the US, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states on the other (see here, here, and here). Recall this map which shows Moscow and Tehran encircling the Saudis: 

ISIS is simply everyone's excuse for participating in what amounts to a world war. All that's needed to take the "proxy" out of this regional proxy war is for Iran to get overtly involved in Yemen (as opposed to fighting through their Houthi proxies), for Russia to get the airstrike invite from Baghdad, and for the Gulf states to bring planes and troops to Iraq. 

You can see why a Shiite lawmaker in Baghdad would be hypersensitive to a plan that allegedly involves an invasion by 100,000 US and Gulf troops.

 

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Thu, 12/10/2015 - 12:46 | 6904675 One And Only
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“For every seven Shiites killed, we want seven Sunnis [killed] in their place.”

 

Religion of Peace, Religion of Peace, Religion of Peace....you are getting sleeeeepppyyyy.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 12:54 | 6904745 Egao
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Shia and Sunni dispute is more about chain of command and it's political, not religious. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 12:59 | 6904786 90's Child
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You'd think they'd learn from their own history.

Occupation is not victory.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:06 | 6904793 hedgeless_horseman
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"Get your asses back into that hellish meat grinder, boys!"

 

                  -Your Commander-In-Chief

The Saudi King needs you to fight for what is rightfully his!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:16 | 6904850 The Juggernaut
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@One And OnlyIndonesia has the most muslims in the world... They're not sponsors of terror, they're pretty peaceful actually.  What this only shows is your, and the lot of you, shameful ignorance and Neocon induced fear.  Minority of zealot Muslims attack the West (and East) because you do nothing to stop invasions for their oil and they're told you invade because of Christianity.  Religion is used on both sides.  And WTF is Zerohedge fanning this ignorance?  Have they been bought?

 

If China/Russia/Iran invaded USA you bet Christianity would be used more than what it is today (Zionist support).

 

USA is a country of global peace... country of global peace... global piece.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:20 | 6904963 Manthong
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So who will chop off more heads..

ISIL or the Saudi’s?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:53 | 6905181 Bring the Gold
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Is that a trick question? I'm pretty sure they are the same. ISIL just has additional sponsors.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:14 | 6905364 New England Patriot
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"The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery.He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." - Genesis 16:11-12

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:25 | 6905462 Jtrillian
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So is the US going to invade Iraq again?  Because there is no way the existing Iraqi government is going to allow that.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:33 | 6905529 Bunghole
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She so sexy.

Makes that trainwreck from San Bernadino look like a Hooter's girl.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:39 | 6905579 SMG
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You have Russia who has already agreed to spend their blood and treasure to get rid of ISIS/L, so let them do it.  Why should our guys stick their necks out for the Saudi dictators?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:48 | 6905637 Calmyourself
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So we (KSA,Qutar, USA) get control of Syria, defeat Russians and run new pipeline to Europe bankrupt Russia and live happily ever after as the SS-18's rain down...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:52 | 6905683 Manthong
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Y’know, that effects photo of McLame makes him look like a white Darth Vader with his helmet ON.

“I am your father, Luke”

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:26 | 6905913 Tyler Durderian
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"And you mother was a Saudi camel", Luke

http://www.thepornster.net/video/380/pwning-ISIL-slut

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:38 | 6906008 Stainless Steel Rat
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McCain, your father was a war criminal for LBJ:

http://jfktruth.com/LBJ/USSLiberty/index.htm

 

BTW, didn't we politely refuse your offer to be CIC?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:54 | 6906848 TruxtonSpangler
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Double secret boots on the ground probation

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:49 | 6906821 eforce
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Force Russia to submit or nuke us...sounds about right.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:33 | 6905536 MadVladtheconquerer
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You mean like the Iraqi govt existing at the time of the 2003 invasion allowed it?

Or, more appropriately, survived it. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:28 | 6906981 eforce
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This time the government could rely on help from Iran who could, along with the government, covertly support an insurgency.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:51 | 6906552 Lolitsa
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Yep. We have a winner. It has been written and so it has been throughout history. The US messed up by rattling their cage. Should have just left them alone, in hind sight, and not allowed them into the US. Keep them towel heads contained to their own yard and you should be alright.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:48 | 6906820 Reichstag Fire Dept.
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Ishmael is the Anti Christ.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:23 | 6904984 Winston Churchill
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You're wasting your time, a whole bunch of bigots arrived on ZH once Drudge

started posting links.

I have fond memories of my time spent in many muslim countries, with the exception

the KSA.Muslims are generally great people that would give you the short of their backs.

Different for sure but hey, thats what makes the world go around.

They definitely don't deserve the steaming hot shit sandwich which the US is serving up to them by the

evil empire..

All things considered the blowback is surprising tepid, so far.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:55 | 6905204 Bring the Gold
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Let's be fair the US is working on behalf of it allies almost to it's own detriment. Israel and House of Saud are way into this, not to mention the Turks and Gulf States. Even the EU has skin in the game. Their elites want those pipelines too.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:33 | 6906437 Lea
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"Let's be fair the US is working on behalf of it allies almost to it's own detriment."

Great, I found a bona fide, honest-to-God sucker on ZH!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:47 | 6906524 Bring the Gold
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Nice ad hominem, you got any facts to dispute what I said? I got facts and links for days...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:27 | 6905469 JLM
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I have heard these same sentiments from others who have travelled among the Arabs.  They would give you the shirt off their back is a common comment.  What you are not saying is that generous and nice as they are when the subject of Israel comes up a wall of hatred descends and poisons all discourse.  

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:07 | 6905793 hongdo
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True.  Very hospitable and kind to a fault to visitors.  But never discuss their religion. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:24 | 6906374 Aaronson.Jones....
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Hmmm, I wonder why they don't like Israel.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:49 | 6907303 logicalman
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If you were to steal a guys house and hold him at bay with extreme violence when he protested the situation, I think you might find yourself being hated and despised.

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:51 | 6906550 jaxville
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  What decent person would not be indignant concerning Israel?  It's clear that nation has a fix in the game with all the horrible things they get away with.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:48 | 6906079 SilverSphinx
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"I have fond memories of my time spent in many muslim countries,..."

 

What do you mean by 'muslim countries'?? Theocratic tyrannies?

Why don't you go back to your fondly remembered 'muslim countries' and proclaim Christ, then come back and update us with your new memories.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:29 | 6907480 ILLILLILLI
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Why don't you take your "roadshow" to Israel and proclaim the Kingdom of Christ there...??

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:26 | 6906396 LasVegasDave
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You should find a new name, Dhimmi

 

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

-Winston Churchill

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:54 | 6907326 logicalman
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At best, Churchill was a self-interested drunken warmonger.

Not the kind of guy I'd look to for wisdom.

He was instrumental in the formation of Israel.

He sent bombers to Berlin, intentionally goading Hitler into bombing London so that the people would be easy meat for the propaganda machine. His 'Ultra' knowledge, from the breaking of the Enigma code meant that he could bugger off out of London, in plenty of time, should anything big be heading that way.

Evil fuck of the first order.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:28 | 6905008 kaa1016
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Is ZeroHedge kidding me? You guys don't believe a thing the US government says (not that I do), but a Shiite Iraqi lawmaker says so, so it must be true? Must be a slow news day to be writing stories like this.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:41 | 6905026 hedgeless_horseman
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Well, if he is correct, I imagine that the SEALs in your avatar will be among the first to know.

Enjoy the desert...frogman...again.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:06 | 6905790 Manthong
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Geez, this is like a bad scene from “Starship Troopers” except that the Brain Bug is in Washington, DC.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:23 | 6906365 Aaronson.Jones....
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@hedgeless: Choon

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:03 | 6905269 wombats
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Let the Shia and Sunnis fight it out among themselves.  Let Saudi and Iran join in on the fun.  They've been killing each other for 1500 years and they seem to enjoy it.  What right does the US or anyone else have to tell them to stop.  After all, if they are havng fun killing each other ovet there then they will be too busy and distracted to kill in the west.

Boggles the mind that anyone keeps getting in the middle of that mess.  Let them keep their hell holes.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:23 | 6905903 aurum4040
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where have all the good zerohedgers gone, not as many as there used to be............ahhhm its about oil, gas, pipelines, a shit ton of money, and control of said grounds and even the world itself....or a hell hole as you call it...so...the powers that be will fight for it....i get your point but unfortunately the world is not that simple

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:07 | 6906636 August
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They've mostly gone off to a secret site, loaded with insightful discussions re economics, finance and politics.

And they sure as hell are posting any links at ZH.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:08 | 6906903 Bring the Gold
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I've been wondering what site the old guard is on for quite some time. I miss the "junking" days. I even miss Marla wading in.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:57 | 6907334 logicalman
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The world is definitely complex, but one thing that simplifies figuring out why shit happens is.............

Follow the fucking money!

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:27 | 6905486 aurum4040
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You must be a beached seal if you can't get your head out of the sand....non of it really matters anyway because if the US and its USD cum allies put 100k boots on the ground in Iraq, Russia and China will finally drop the financial nuke the size of the earth on everyone holding USDs - the war will be over before it begins.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:54 | 6905699 sandhillexit
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Problem is one of perspective.  The locals have been at this for a long time, and, after watching the US Senate hearing yesterday, we have clearly learned very little from experience.  For most Americans there is no ME history except the Bible.  But it is worth reading about the Parthians.  Place-names will be familiar.  Fighting and trying to dominate the Parthians bled Rome dry.  

"Antiochus conquered Babylonia and occupied Susa, where he minted coins.[39] After advancing his army into Media, the Parthians pushed for peace, which Antiochus refused to accept unless the Arsacids relinquished all lands to him except Parthia proper, paid heavy tribute, and released Demetrius from captivity. Arsaces released Demetrius and sent him to Syria, but refused the other demands.  By Spring 129 BC, the Medes were in open revolt against Antiochus, whose army had exhausted the resources of the countryside during winter. While attempting to put down the revolts, the main Parthian force swept into the region and killed Antiochus in battle. His body was sent back to Syria in a silver coffin." (The rebellious Maccabi who had been fighting Antiochus for their Parthian allies, went home, hence the whole Hannukah story....) 

Or this,

Marcus Licinius Crassus, one of the triumvirs who was now proconsul of Syria, launched an invasion into Parthia in 53 BC in belated support of Mithridates.[74] As his army marched to Carrhae (modern Harran, southeastern Turkey), Orodes II invaded Armenia, cutting off support from Rome's ally Artavasdes II of Armenia (r. 53–34 BC). .....Surena, with an army entirely on horseback, rode to meet Crassus.[76] Surena's 1,000 cataphracts, armed with lances, and 9,000 horse archers were outnumbered roughly four to one by Crassus' army, comprising seven Roman legions and auxiliaries including mounted Gauls and light infantry.[77] Relying on a baggage train of about 1,000 camels, the Parthian horse archers were given constant supplies of arrows.[77] They employed the "Parthian shot" tactic, where the horsemen would fake a retreat, only to turn and fire upon their opponents. This tactic, combined with the use of heavy composite bows on flat plain devastated Crassus' infantry.[78] With some 20,000 Romans dead, approximately 10,000 captured, and roughly another 10,000 escaping west, Crassus fled into the Armenian countryside.[79] At the head of his army, Surena approached Crassus, offering a parley, which Crassus accepted. However, he was killed when one of his junior officers, suspecting a trap, attempted to stop him from riding into Surena's camp.[80]

Crassus' defeat at Carrhae was one of the worst military defeats of Roman history.[81] Parthia's victory cemented its reputation as a formidable if not equal power with Rome.[82] With his camp followers, war captives, and precious Roman booty, Surena traveled some 700 km (430 mi) back to Seleucia where his victory was celebrated. However, fearing his ambitions even for the Arsacid throne, Orodes had Surena executed shortly thereafter."

or this,  

"Yet the Romans had no discernible grand strategy in dealing with Parthia and gained very little territory from these invasions. The primary motivations for war were the advancement of the personal glory and political position of the emperor, as well as defending Roman honor against perceived slights such as Parthian interference in the affairs of Rome's client states."

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:55 | 6906571 Bring the Gold
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A pleasure to read. I love posts by fellow history buffs. You can learn almost everything you need to know about current power plays by reading about ancient history. Back then history was written by elites for their elite sons so they could understand how the world really works. After the printing press and literacy began to spread the Vatican released a papal bull on the need for propaganda and ever since history tells us elites are our friends, unless you mean the elites over those hills. Those guys are tricky lying thieves and murderers, not like your good "Enlightened elites" over here.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:08 | 6906581 Bring the Gold
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The post so nice ZH put it up thrice. Sigh.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:11 | 6906583 Bring the Gold
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Is there an echo in here...? Echo in here...?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:30 | 6905019 Tarzan
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No Islamic extremists in Indonesia?  There are extremists in every religion on every continent and TPTB love to exploit them no matter where they reside.

 

  • 1 August 2000 — A bomb detonated outside the official residence of the Philippines Ambassador to Indonesia, Leonides Caday, in Menteng, Jakarta. The bomb killing two and injuring 21 others.[3]
  • 14 September 2000 — A car bomb exploded in the basement of the Jakarta Stock Exchange, triggering a chain of explosions in which a number of cars caught fire. Most of the dead were drivers waiting by their employer's cars.[4][5]
  • 12 October 2002 — The coordinated bomb attacks occurred on in the tourist district of Kuta, Bali. The attack was claimed as the deadliest act of terrorism in the history of Indonesia according to the current police general, killing 202 people, (including 88 Australians, and 38 Indonesian citizens).[7] A further 240 people were injured. Various members of Jemaah Islamiyah, a violent Islamist group, were convicted in relation to the bombings, including three individuals who were sentenced to death.
  • 9 September 2004 — A one-tonne car bomb which was packed into a small delivery van, exploded outside the Australian embassy at Kuningan District, South Jakarta, at about 10:30 local time (03:30 UTC), killing 9 people including the suicide bomber, and wounding over 150 others.[12] Jemaah Islamiyah claimed responsibility for the attack.[13]
  • 1 October 2005 — Series of suicide bomb and a series of car bombs exploded at two sites in Jimbaran Beach Resort and in Kuta, Bali. The terrorist attack claimed the lives of 20 people and injured more than 100 others. The three bombers also died in the attacks.[16]
  • 17 July 2009 — The JW Marriott and Ritz-Carlton Hotels in Jakarta, were hit by separate suicide bombings five minutes apart. Three of the seven victims who were killed were Australians, two from the Netherlands, and one each from New Zealand and Indonesia. More than 50 people were injured in the blasts.[18]
2010s
  • 15 March 2011 — a package of explosive device hidden in a book was delivered to Ulil Abhsar Abdalla, an activist of Jaringan Islam Liberal (Islamic Liberal Network) in Komunitas Utan Kayu complex near 68h Radio station, Utan Kayu, East Jakarta. The note enclosed with the book requested Abdalla to write a foreword for the upcoming book to be published. The Institut Studi Arus Informasi (ISAI) receptionist suspected the package and call for Gegana (anti-bomb squad) help. There was no casualties in this attack, however before the Gegana squad arrived, the bomb exploded severing one of the police's arm trying to defuse the device.[19]
  • 15 April 2011 — a suicide bomber detonated an explosive device in a mosque in a police compound in the city of Cirebon, in West Java, during Friday prayer. The bomber was killed and at least 28 people were injured.[20][21]
  • 25 September 2011 — a suicide bomb exploded in Bethel Injil Church in Sepenuh, Solo, Central Java. The blast killed the bomber and injured 14 people.[22]
  • 8 April 2012 — Trigana Air PK-YRF airplane were shot by unidentified gunmen during landing approach on Mulia airstrip, Puncak Jaya, Papua on 08.21 AM. A Papua Pos journalist, Kogoya (35), were killed in this shooting.[23]
  • 17 August 2012 — two policemen guarding a Lebaran (Eid ul Fitr) traffic post in Solo, Central Java, were shot by gunmen on motorcycle. The shooting was happened after midnight on 01.10 AM Friday, 17 August 2012, and the two policemen were injured.[24]
  • 16 October 2012 — Police discovered two corpses of murdered policemen that has been missing three days earlier in Tamanjeka village, Poso Regency, Central Sulawesi. The victims are head of Police Unit Intelligence of Poso Pesisir sector, Brigadir Sudirman, and Poso Police Resort Assault Unit, Brigadir Satu Andi Sapa. They were missing during investigation mission on suspected terrorist's training ground in a forest at Poso Regency.[25]
  • 27 November 2012 — Three policemen stationed in remote Pirime police post, Jayawijaya, Papua, were killed in an attack by a group of unidentified men. Police suspected the Papua separatist movement were behind the attack.[26]
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:33 | 6905038 The Juggernaut
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USA invaded everything.  Your list is for groceries compared to the Military Industrial Complex.  Your list has people killed, the USA has nations killed you fucking idiot.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:08 | 6905323 pazmaker
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Now you want to call him an idiot because he refutes the fact that you just claimed that indonesia is peaceful?

 

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/muslim.militants.burning.of.church...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:39 | 6905577 SimplePrinciple
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Is it not comforting the hear the chorus of Muslims proclaiming that Christians are not infidels, and to hear of their horror at anyone presenting Christians with a choice of conversion, tithe, or death?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:33 | 6905976 The Juggernaut
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@Tarzan Those strikes were targeting Westerners from coutries who invade their oil rich nation.  You're complaining about people sticking up for themselves.  You're misinformed.

@pazmaker:  You're hilarious.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:42 | 6907282 Tarzan
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I didn't claim anything other then refute your claim that there is no Muslim extremists in Indonesia. I totally get the evil Empire America has become.

Your facts are fallacious and now you want to deflect.

The fact is you will find evil on every continent and every nation, and every religion. The evil that America does is not done in a vacuum, there are international globalists behind every one of The evil acts done in the name of "America". You can't blame the American people for what industrialists and politicians do behind their back. We've been lied to and deceived every step of the way, and yes the people take blame for allowing themselves to be deceived, but the fact is the last hundred years have been spent pulling the wool over the American people's eyes by internationalists who don't give a shit about this country.

If I'm an idiot for that, I'll wear that badge with Honor considering you have no clue who I am or what I believe, I couldnt give a shit what you think of me.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:18 | 6907426 Bring the Gold
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Well, I don't know you either sir, but I like the cut of your gib. Your posts were spot on.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:34 | 6905050 Buckaroo Banzai
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"There are extremists in every religion on every continent"

Really?

Where are the Christian suicide bombers yelling "John 3:16!"??

Where are the Buddhist terrorists? The Hindu terrorists? The Zoroastrian terrorists?

No, the "Religion of Peace" seems to have very little company.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:40 | 6905075 hedgeless_horseman
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For the millionth time, correlation does not equal causation, and any correlation is weak, at best.

It is like you cannot even fathom that the Muslims that are suicide bombers generally come from lands that we have invaded, bombed, occupied, and destroyed.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:43 | 6905122 MadVladtheconquerer
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EXACTLY!  Invasion, occupation and bombing w/ conventional munitions are so blase!  ERWs are better.

Takes no time to do the job and they do not discriminate against Sunni or Shia.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:48 | 6905145 hedgeless_horseman
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We commit these acts against others that have not attacked us while being led by a Nobel Peace Prize winner, as, "one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all."

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:02 | 6905266 MadVladtheconquerer
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"Do it to them before they do it to you." Robert Prosky--Hill Street Blues

"God doth have a sense of humor." Al Pacino--Scent of a Woman

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:30 | 6905508 Herd Redirectio...
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Suicide bombers = cowards

Drone operators = err, uuh, ummm.... Heroes?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:39 | 6905555 MadVladtheconquerer
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Let's examine that shall we!

Suicide bombers go off to their reward of 72 vestal virgins...or so we are told.  And its NEVER the suicide

bombers who are telling us that.  Drone operators go off to the Officers' Club for Happy Hour. 

Put another way:  1) suicide bombers--dead morons; 2) drone operators--inebriated girl-chasers

Which is better?  I'll leave it to you to decide.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:17 | 6905862 Herd Redirectio...
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Right... So Suicide bombers aren't told their families will be looked after?  They are just promised virgins and off they go, huh?  And I'm sure they are the poorest of poor schmucks, right?  Just like our own military recruits from the lowest social classes (because they have little/no choice, and trust the government's promises), you don't think suicide bombers are likewise enticed, incentivized and recruited?

Whats the difference between a remote detonated IED and a suicide bomber, any way?  What i mean is, how do we know any given bomb explosion was a suicide bomber, when it could just as easily have been remote detonated, or even just a bomb given to  a COURIER???

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:51 | 6905662 thecondor
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Sent of a Woman, Great Movie. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:46 | 6905136 Hyjinx
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Actually, a lot of them seem to come from France now and grew up on the French/Belgian teat.  So I call bullshit on your stupid statement.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:31 | 6906428 Aaronson.Jones....
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Eh, the French colonised & terrorised their countries before leaving them in the messes they are still in today. Those French Muslims are largely of N African descent & have a real understanding of how mother France (&, by extension, the colonial West) has treated their type for generations.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:19 | 6906926 Bring the Gold
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History makes everything so complicated. It almost makes it look like 85% of elites (lowball figure) regardless of nation, race, religion or creed are narcissistic psycho/sociopaths who cynically manipulate or kill anyone who stands in the way of their accumulation of power. Almost...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:21 | 6906933 Bring the Gold
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ZH acting like Doublemint gum today. Doubling my pleasure, doubling my posts...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:48 | 6905152 Hyjinx
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Also, why is it that WHEREVER Muslims emigrate too not-long-thereafter they are at war with their host populations?  Hindus, Buddhists, atheists it just doesn't seem to matter... maybe something in their book about spreading Islam by the sword... nah, forget it....

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:19 | 6905403 pazmaker
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well it is very simple..study Islamic history.. they have been aggressive crusaders since the beginning of Islam  Conquere invade and convert by the sword.

 

I wil be junk away here because most ZH'ers have watched too much Zorro or Robin hood and don't realize there can be bad guys on both sides of a conflict.  I don't buy into that false dichotomy.

 

So Yes the USA and it's war machine is pscho and blowing up the world screwed up the Middle east big time.  Yes Zionest are behind a lot of it and believe in their own superiority  but news flash!!!!   Islam has been aggressive and warmongers since it's establisment as well!

Take a look at Islamic history Khalid Al-Walid and the Islamic Conquest.

 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:38 | 6905570 Herd Redirectio...
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The Zionist Israelis and Wahhabi Saudi Arabians are the craziest of the bunch, and the financiers of the rest, but they are 'allies' of the West.  That is a key point here.

Islam is against usury.  But Wahhabi Islam could really give two shits about that (being founded by Crypto-Jews after all).  Hence it is promoted, widely, and Islam is basically being torn in two.

Ever heard of Divide and Conquer?  Alright, so the question is, who is trying to Divide and Conquer Islam?  Hint, the answer is somewhere in this post.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:54 | 6905701 dsty
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need to flush out these posters stuck here that blame every aggression by the Muslims on the US and the Jooooooooo's

bunch of knuckleheads

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:19 | 6905878 Herd Redirectio...
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Aggression = bad

Self defense = good

Us attacking our enemies = self defense

Our enemies attacking us = aggression

Us attacking our enemies = good

Our enemies attacking us = bad

Got it?  Good.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:51 | 6907082 Fod
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Imagine this: You live in the desert, your country's infrastructure is 3rd world level and since you were born a country in the opposite side of the world is non stop bombing you. Your religion is at fault if you're pissed off?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:00 | 6907344 azusgm
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It's just a KKK convention. David Duke is probably here somewhere among the ones spewing about blacks and Joooooooos and "Israehell".

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:36 | 6905999 pazmaker
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I agree with you on your key point, but as I said I can't turn a blind eye to the history of Islam.  You may be able to conveintly do that but I can't.  Islam is against anyhting that isnt Islam.  I have enough Orthodox Christian Borthers and know Orthodox Christion history (not western history)  to know that Eastern Christian who where in opposition to Rome were killed slaughtered or converted out of Christian lands before the great axis of evil started their divide and conquer.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:29 | 6906988 Bring the Gold
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Completely agree. A ton of ZH posters also see ONLY Islam as bad. The ones drinking the neo-con "go red team GO!" Kool aid. Islam is absolutely bloodthirsty like all three Abrahamic faiths until such time as a new reformation of Christianity occurs and throws out the Old Testament. It also isn't limited to religion that there war mongering. Just ask Stalin Mao and Pol Pot. Turns out elites are nearly always narcissistic psycho/sociopaths who eliminate by any means possible barriers (read people) to their accumulation of power. There are psychopaths and everyone else.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:49 | 6905154 JustPaper
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Towers were brought down before any outright invasion ( by Saudi 'allies' aswell, no less ). Lets not leave Chechnya out of this either, the vicious little dump. 

The middle east was basically capped and sealed by a string of 'authoritarian' leaders who knew that the people under their control could only be civic when beaten with a stick. No carrots. You could blame the US & EU for taking the cap off, but you can't blame them for the huge upsurge of terrorism. By your logic, Serbians should be blowing themselves up in NYC.

Don't get me wrong, I fucking detest Washington with a passion, but the current lunatic asylum that's unravelling in the middle east is part and parcel of the Islamic religion. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:05 | 6905785 vincent
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The West carved up, invaded and occupied the ME long before any holy war commenced.

Payback is a Bitch

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:25 | 6905917 JustPaper
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And long before the West carved up, invaded and occupied the ME, what was the Ottoman empire doing exactly?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:41 | 6907026 Bring the Gold
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Not being founded until 200 years after the first Crusade?

Look the Ottoman's, Barbary's and many other Islamic groups have been genocidal maniacs bent on domination. Just like white Christians and white atheistic capitalists.

The problem is psychopaths who assert they have the right to direct "the people" into wars the psychopaths benefit from without risking much of anything on their own parts.

It's sad but at least old school kings were on the battlefields. Now days the fucking pussies give orders from a bunker or office on another continent.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:52 | 6907318 Sanity Bear
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giving free puppies to everyone!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:18 | 6905402 wombats
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HH, Guess you didn't notice that the Boston Marathon bombers came from Chechnya.  Didn't you see that the Ft. Hood shooter and the Farook San Bernadino shooter were born in the US?  Weren't most of the 9-11 fly boys from Saudi?  Sorry to see you missed that many (most) of the Paris shooters were born in Belgium or France.

So...Yes, they do rise up for Jihad and kill regardless where they come from.  It shouldn't surprise you.  They are just doing what their prophet and holy book tell them to do.

sheesh. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:27 | 6907466 azusgm
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Darned few seem to notice that the terrorists you reference were not impoverished illiterates without hope of meaningful employment.

Boston Marathon bombers -- grew up here. One was in college.

Ft Hood shooter -- was a medical doctor, an psychiatrist.

Farook the San Bernardino shooter -- was born here and was college educated with a government job.

The 9-11 fly boys -- included college-educated men from well-to-do families. At least one was an engineer and at least one was in graduate school.

Bonus bomber:

The underwear bomber -- was educated in London and a son of one of the wealthiest men in Nigeria.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:46 | 6905626 ThroxxOfVron
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"suicide bombers generally come from lands that we have invaded, bombed, occupied, and destroyed. "

 

When was Saudi Arabia invaded, bombed, etc.??

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:57 | 6905718 hedgeless_horseman
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You don't believe we have in the past and still do occupy Saudi Arabia?

You should have been there during the Gulf Wars.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:53 | 6907324 Sanity Bear
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Are we occupying, or are we there as hirelings?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:55 | 6905703 thethirdcoast
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Go read the Quran, Surah, and Hadiths, then come back here and tell us all what a peaceful ideology it is.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:54 | 6907095 Bring the Gold
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Is it anything like the Old Testament or the Talmud?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:06 | 6908267 Sanity Bear
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Why don't you read it and find out for yourself?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:13 | 6905837 firstdivision
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We invaded Iraq to stop all the terrorists they put out to hijack planes and ram them into towers....oh the hijackers were from KSA.  Well, we should just invade Iraq cause they need liberated.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:41 | 6905085 The Juggernaut
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lol look up how the Buddhist are slaughtering Muslims in Myanmar.  Don't come back until you're informed.

 

You think Muslims are sponsors of terror.  The biggest sponsor of terror is the USA (MIC).

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:00 | 6905244 Bring the Gold
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To be fair Israel, Turkey and House of Saud are huge supporters and also have tremendous influence over the US MIC.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:13 | 6906278 pazmaker
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don't tell Juggernaut that.  He believes the Moslem have the solution to world peace.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:16 | 6905383 CuttingEdge
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Got an addendum to that one for you, Jug. The biggest sponsor of terror in the USA is the USA.

The ten questions the MSM were too scared to ask about San Bernadino:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/06/holes/

Nailed on false flag.

 

 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:04 | 6905776 Hapte
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+1 Jugg, Dude clearly has shit for brains.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:30 | 6905936 hongdo
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When I was there, I was told thst the Muslims illegally entered Myammar in boats and set up their own territories.  That was why the Buddists were angry.  I have no personal knowledge of the facts but expect there are two sides to the story.

Edit: Post seems to be mis-indexed.  Figure it out.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:18 | 6905395 GoldenGeezer
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I hear that the Pastafarians can be pretty dangerous too.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:35 | 6906770 Baldrick
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they are evil bastards to the Pestoites.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:00 | 6905747 Hapte
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Buttfuck Buckaroo has never heard of India or Myanmar apparently.

How can you be so stupid? Are you senile?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:12 | 6905831 THX 1178
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Where are the Christian terrorists? In the US military and US police forces. And boy, they have killed over 30 million people since the end of WWII. Fucking awful human beings... Christians every last one of them.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:17 | 6906317 SilverSphinx
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Only an ignorant idiot would think that the U.S. military, controlled and led by spiritually degenerate unbelieving heathens, is operating on behalf of Christ or Christians.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:48 | 6906529 IronForge
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I disagree, Buckaroo; and here are my reasons.  Not all extemists are homicide bombers; but Xians and others have done things on a massive scale in the past and present.

 

Scaling back a few centuries for a starting point, we had the Xians(not the original "Chrestus (spelled with an "e" instead of "i" - chrestus meant, "good"/"useful") Cult" which were incorporated into Xianity.  Xianity is a 4thCE/Constantine and Friends Entitiy) taking over the Roman Empire (jesusneverexisted.com) - often by looting/violence.  When Xians had full control of the Empire, Rome went south within 25 Years - entering the Dark Ages due to other FUBAR'd Policies. 

Dark Ages brought Dogma over Science/Law/Civil Socieity.  Rome used to have civil engineering(nice concrete) and basic surgical gear - including tools for cataract removal.  Dark Ages Dogma relegated literacy/education to the Monks.

Enter the Crusades.  Next the Inquisitions.  Protestant Reformation the Protestant/Catholic Wars.   

Moving Forward in Time and jumping across the Pond to the USA, we also had the nascent USA killing off many Native Americans - many who weren't Xian.  Granted, ethnic/political interest are involved here as well. 

You can count the Kidnapping/Slavery of Negroes into the the West as being justified/supported by many a Xian Clergyman.

And more recently, We also have the Catholic Clergy Paedophiles molesting many Children here and abroad.  IIRC, (Occupy the Vatican in FB posts some intersting bits now and then, though I think the admin is a flaming social justice radical) every Parish in Belgium hosted an Peodphile Case, Cleveland Archdiocese had what, 2000 cases in the past 60 years (almost 3 reported cases/month) - yet though some of the Perps are "defrocked" or somehow admonished within the Church, we rarely see actual Criminal Charges, Convictions, Civil Cases made against a Cult Church based out of the Vatican - which also happens to be a Money Laundering Concern (per the US State Department).

Don't forget - many ZioCons/NeoCons are Xian, or Derivative Cult Types that personify "Xian Zionism" in various forms (supporting ISR and all Jewish endeavors, attempting to proselytize/convert Jewish and others to take over ISR).  Several of them make up the "Replacement/Dominion Theology" Groups ; and they believe that Xians have replaced the Jewish as the chosen people; and they have the right to exercise dominion over all of Mankind in the name of the fabricated Jeezus..

Bonus?  The Mormons have made Backdoor Handshakes with Goldman Sachs (outsourcing their IT Backoffice) and the NSA (Massive collection site - I noticed something funny with the mormons when I spent some time post navy job hunting out of Fort Meade in '93; and ran into some weird wackos while interviewing with a L3 Think Tank in San Diego around 2001/2).  No Self-respecting IT Professional who works in Finance/Wall Street would want to go all the way to Salt Lake City to live/work there. 

So, we do have the Religious Extremists woking over the Deep State and the ZioCon/World_Domination Schemes her in the USA.  It doesn't involve a good number of bombs yet, since they have the inside track with the Politicians/Business Powers on severa levels.
 

"There are extremists in every religion on every continent"?  You betcha. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:31 | 6906635 jaxville
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  sorry...double post...having a dorked out on life day.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:30 | 6906747 jaxville
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  This isn't the twelfth century.  Horrible things were done in the name of Christ in the past.  That was at a time before most Christians could read and they had to rely on their leaders for the "word of God".  Christ never advocated putting to the sword of non followers.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:03 | 6907124 Bring the Gold
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Christians need to dump the Talmudic/Baylonian mystery cult bs that is the Old Testament and stick to the words of Jesus.

Until that happens they will keep being lead astray by their "leadership" which almost exclusively cites the Old Testament to justify their cynical political power plays. Meanwhile, the leaders are also stealing their money via tithes and donations while enjoying taxe exempt status. I am a big fan of the teachings of Jesus.

I was raised catholic and I utterly reject the Vatican and the Old Testament. Still dig that Jesus guy though.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:01 | 6906600 jaxville
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Actually there is another religion which condones or even expects it's followers to bring forth harm upon those who are not part of their faith.  It views others as mere animals whom may be lied to, beaten, stolen from, raped and even murdered.  Can you guess which it is?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:12 | 6906665 Motasaurus
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"Where are the Christian suicide bombers yelling "John 3:16!"??

Where are the Buddhist terrorists? The Hindu terrorists? The Zoroastrian terrorists?"

Northern Ireland. Nepal. India.

The only one that doesn't seem to have terrorists are the Zoroastrians, but that is perhaps because they are not politically powerful anywhere in the world. 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:05 | 6907367 logicalman
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What about that bunch with the 6 pointed star?

They don't go around yelling about their religion, they just kill anyone that they feel like then say 'anti-semitism' whenever someone points out the facts.

The 'country' of Israel is BASED on a criminal act.

Not a good start, but unfortunately, things went downhill from there.

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:42 | 6907048 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sorry for this, but...

A FEW DAYS AGO A ZH BLOGGER POSTED THE LIST OF COUNTRIES WITH MUSLIM POPULATION, SHOWING THE ASCENDING ORDER OF THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION, AND THE CORRELATING DEGREE OF INCREASING ISLAMIC COERCION IN THESE COUNTRIES.

Would that blogger or someone please show the link?  I intend to show it to my family and friends.  Thanks.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:52 | 6905174 azusgm
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So, I guess this does not include any consideration of the events in East Timor?

https://prezi.com/mbjrxuqvgy_p/east-timor-christians-vs-muslims/

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:07 | 6905304 pazmaker
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Muslim militants' burning of churches, persecution of Christians in Indonesia spurred by imams' jihad order

 

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/muslim.militants.burning.of.church...


 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:52 | 6907074 Kirk2NCC1701
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As a fair-minded and Quid-Pro-Quo Atheist, I am truly sorry to hear that.  +1

But as a 'Christian', you are not too bothered, I'd imagine.  After all, didn't your Jewish-Rabbi-cum-Faithhealer-cum-Deity preach to love your enemies, to forgive them and to turn the other cheek?  So... 'Donde esta el problemo'?

 

p.s. For for those who don't quite understand Christianity, or have difficulty observing it, perhaps this perspective will help:

Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie, who was his own father, can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so that he can remove an evil force from your soul and that is present in humanity, because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

And YOU people have difficulty believing Hillary Clinton?  That's rich.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:11 | 6907399 logicalman
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I hold all religions in equal contempt.

All the major ones are basically the same bullshit story, used by manipulative people to control others for their own benefit.

Recently interacted with a couple of door-to-door Mormons. I was as polite as possible when I pointed out to them that I only believe in one less god than them.

I had to explain, but they didn't stick around to hear mucsh of the explanation!

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:13 | 6907411 Cornfedbloodstool
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Sure it sounds crazy when you put it like that!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:31 | 6905513 Consuelo
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Indonesians are not of Arab descent.    Stated differently - and to add a dash of (horrors!!) 'Biblicality' to the mix, Indonesians are not direct descendants of Ishmael - i.e., 'terrorizing' is not (yet) imbedded in their DNA...

 

 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:43 | 6905611 Herd Redirectio...
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When Muslims are violent its because of Islam (?)

When people of Chicago are violent its because of....  Well, certainly not their religion

When America uses drones to bomb aspirin factories, hospitals and weddings its because of... Well, certainly not religion

When Israel attacks Gaza (or tends ISIS' soldiers wounds in the Golan heights) its because of... Well, certainly not their religion

So you see, we are much more civilized in the West.  Being violent due to religion is barbaric, but being violent not for religious reasons is rational and civilized. /s

Let me post that again /sarc!

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:35 | 6906764 jaxville
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  The difference is that Christians cannot point to a line in their bible to rationalize murder or other mayhem upon non Christians.

  I am specifically referring to the New Testament

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 20:51 | 6907564 azusgm
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What is the issue with ISIS soldiers being treated in Israeli hospitals? If someone brings you an injured patient, you treat them and let the judicial system deal with them later. Doctors, nurses, and first responders don't check credentials then decide to let someone bleed out. You don't have to like them to be able to give them excellent care.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:22 | 6905892 flysofree
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What county do you think invaded and occupied all the islands and New Guinea after the Dutch departed, killed all non-Muslim ingenious populations, terrorized East Timor, murdered native Chinese and Christians occupied Papua New Guinea, Borneo etc.

Yes peace loving, my ass. After WWII they stole more land than Japanese during WWII.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:15 | 6906302 pazmaker
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shhhh flysofree   ...that truth doesn't fit in with their ideology.....don't tell the truth it ruins the story.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:42 | 6906796 Aussie V
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"Indonesia has the most muslims in the world... They're not sponsors of terror, they're pretty peaceful actually."

Tell the West Papuans or the East Timorese that and see what response you'll get.

http://freewestpapua.org

The Indonesian's systematically raped the East Timorese women and killed their men for 35 years. They are doing the exact something in West Papua noow and use the most barbaric inhuman methods. They see their prey as animals.

So, sir, you are ignorant.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:29 | 6905947 Crush the cube
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Is Obummer admiring the golden tissue box's?  No doubt he needed double wipes when through.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:30 | 6905957 sherryw
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Notice how Obama's body language defers to the Saudi? You think the Saudi doesn't see it?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:18 | 6906943 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Get your asses back into that hellish meat grinder, boys!" -Your Commander-In-Chief"

"And if you don't, then you're no 'Patriot'.  You useful fools and gullible Goys"  [sound of LOLn]


LMAO at the willful naivete of new GIs.  It's not as though they live in the USSR, and have no real-world news available to them.  Only dumb shmucks, economic desperadoes or closet psychos would enlist.  Regardless, since they voluntarily entered into a Money-for-Fighting contract, they are (by definition):  Mercenaries.  For that reason, I couldn't care less what happens to them.  It's not as though I should pity them, because they are 'innocent farm boys', who got drafted to bleed and die, so that some politician's son won't have to.  Welcome to the Real world.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 18:53 | 6907088 Herd Redirectio...
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I feel bad for them because they think the government will look after them, disability, tuitions, raises, promotions, pensions...  Lies...  Unfunded liabilities...

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:45 | 6905133 MadVladtheconquerer
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Tell that to the Japanese, Germans and Italians.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:55 | 6905711 Citxmech
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Isn't there some shit in Revelation about a big battle for the world that's supposed to take place right around there?. . .  Right about the time everything goes to Hell in a handbasket?

I swear, if SA sends 90k troop into Iraq it's going to be time to stock-up the bunker. 

 

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:47 | 6906522 SilverSphinx
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I don't think Saudi Arabia has 90k ready troops available to be transported. Even if they have the troops they don't have the ability to transport them to Iraq, at least not quickly.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:16 | 6906685 Citxmech
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We do.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:04 | 6904827 BlindMonkey
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I suspect this is the reason Putin mentioned nukes the other day.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:44 | 6905124 Muh Raf
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He's theatening to glass Israel, he knows who his real enemy is. Do you think Putin is the only man in the world who does not know who really writes US foreign policy. Give me a break.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:57 | 6905729 Bring the Gold
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A Clean Break?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:26 | 6905918 flysofree
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Get this through your fucking mind--the Russians hate Muslims and especially the ones from the Caucus and Arabia region.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:55 | 6906567 Herd Redirectio...
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Look at a map.  Now find the Volga.  Now find the Don.  Now find the closest spot between the two. This was historically a portage, but is now a canal.  Now, tell me why you think Russia would consider this spot to be of supreme strategic importance.  Maybe because the majority of Russia's population lives somewhere on either the Don or Volga????  And that losing Volgograd to extremists would jeopardize the ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY?  The whole point of defending the Caucausus is to provide  a buffer to the Volga/Don canal region, aka Volgograd.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 17:05 | 6906626 PeakOil
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Not true. Muslims constitiute a sizeable minority in Russia. The Slav/Orthodox Christian majority & Muslim minority for the most part get along nowadays. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Russia

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 19:39 | 6907271 Sokhmate
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:07 | 6904858 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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The only way to win, is to not play, until they bring nukes to your dorstep. Then your screwed.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:12 | 6905355 MadVladtheconquerer
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The only way to play is to let the sunnis/shias/Kurds/others, Saudi Arabia/Iran/Turkey/others, kill each other and then mop

up the remaining mess w/ ERWs.  Then, to the victor go the oils.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 15:36 | 6905996 hongdo
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Unless they EMP you.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:01 | 6906177 Kirk2NCC1701
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HH, you are one of my faves here, and I do hope that you just "Pulled an MDB" and are being ironic.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:06 | 6904789 Paveway IV
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"...US Has Secret, "Non-Negotiable" Plan To Send 100,000 US, Saudi Troops To Iraq, Lawmaker Claims..."

Hey, what a coincidence. I have a secret, non-negotionable plan for treasonous Israeli-firster fucks in .gov.

Let's just say it involves a wood-chipper. 

The Iraqis will have to deal with Al-Abadi in their own interesting ways.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:25 | 6904997 Winston Churchill
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Would'nt that fuck up the woodchipper ?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:28 | 6905007 chunga
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It's totally worth it.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:33 | 6905043 Bunghole
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Nah,

You remove their gold teeth and fillings first.

I'll be here all week

Try the veal.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 14:20 | 6905418 CuttingEdge
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Woodchippers are definately trending right now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12041781/Teen...

(Was reading the papers over breakfast when that headline jumped out at me).

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:05 | 6906218 Kirk2NCC1701
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Be sure to get the Fargo brand, for a "robust dialog".

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 13:40 | 6905098 azusgm
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Exactly.

At the same time, Islam is a religion of world domination. It is a religion and a political system all in one. There is no way to separate the religious/political components. The two sides consider each other to be apostates and therefore worthy of death.

Islam is not the religion of peace. Muslims are the people of the sword. They often use the sword against each other. When they get through with us, they will turn to the business of destroying each other.

Works out well for the luciferians. Even better than carbon controls.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 16:32 | 6906442 Jstanley011
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You're right about the "all in one" thing. We think "separation of church and state" is the norm among humanity. It's not. It's an artifact of the medieval system in the West of dual magisteria -- the church governing religious life and the king governing political life. Islam never instituted any such bifrucation.

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