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Hit-And-Run Driver Arrested After Her Car Calls Police
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
As technology generally continues to advance, one thing you can be sure of is the criminal justice system’s use of innovative new “tools” will grow exponentially. This can be a good thing, but it can also be a very dangerous thing. Pennsylvania’s new law that permits the use of data showing whether people are “deemed likely to commit additional crimes” in criminal sentencing, is a perfect example of how an over reliance on technology can be a threat to liberty and due process.
– From the post: Pennsylvania to Become First State to Use “Precrime” Statistics in Criminal Sentencing
Welcome to the future, ladies and gentleman.
From ZDNet:
A driver allegedly involved in two hit-and-run incidents was tracked down after her car alerted the police.
As reported by local news outlets, an unusual 911 call to emergency services took place on Friday in Port St. Lucie, Florida. You would usually expect a human voice on the end of the line, but in this scenario, a Ford vehicle alerted the police to a collision.
57-year-old woman Cathy Bernstein allegedly hit a truck before ploughing into a van on Prima Vista Boulevard, fleeing the scene after each collision. While Bernstein allegedly ran for the hills, her car had already recorded the crash and automatically contacted 911 after recording the time and date of the collision.
The car’s safety features, used by by Ford, BMW and other automakers, make use of sensors and Internet connectivity to shave down the time emergency responders take to get to the scene of an accident.
As an example, Ford’s SYNC‘s Emergency Assistance portal pushes the car to send a direct call to emergency services when the airbag is deployed or the fuel pump is deactivated — such as when a car suffers a sudden jolt against an object.
The system also gives 911 information including the car model, time, and GPS coordinates.
Usually, this would mean that drivers involved in an accident who are knocked out or cannot reach for their phones can be assisted as quickly as possible. However, in the case of hit-and-run drivers there will be nowhere to hide — as their car may snitch on them. You are automatically linked to a record of a collision’s time, the vehicle involved — and therefore the accompanying registration details — and the location.
By 2018, every new vehicle sold within the grasp of the European Union must have this kind of emergency responder technology installed. While originally planned for 2015, despite delays, the EU says eCall emergency responder technology could save up to 2,500 lives a year.
It’s a brave new world out there.
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time to go back to horse and buggy........
I will be driving my 1989 pick-up untill the wheels fall off.
Ha! Same here
'89 Chevy S-10. Love that freakin car.
'88 Saab 900 here! That sumbitch will outlast all these little homo cars.
This is just another version of cell phone tracking. They can already tell where you are and where you've been. They can already turn on your camera and microphone remotely. They can turn off the new cars remotely.
Makes me want to go Luddite.
Well duh...
http://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1
This is why we have a VW instead of a Ford.
and the lesson is....
....when you go to commit a crime:
- do not carry a cell phone
- do not driive a car later than a 2005 model
- wear a paper bag over your head
- always ask for them to convert the take into bitcoin before you carry it away.
Do I have it all correctly?
You forgot to mention to leave a business card with the sexy blond suggesting a cup of coffee sometime.
You forgot the passport.
Yeah the paper bag is a nice touch for facial recognition but your brain function can still be scanned. I think for full protection the paper bag should be lined with aluminum foil to prevent mind reading scanners from alerting police about pre crime (I say line the bag so people don't get scared by the metal foil). All the other stuff sounds good. :-)
You should certainly consider it.
It is a quiet, peaceful life.
I've done a lot of work on SAAB 900s - about the only thing I haven't tackled is engine or transmission rebuilds. It's the best driving car I've ever seen. They have a lot of weird quirks and some things are hard to work on because the engine is installed backwards. The clutch is in the front up against the radiator and the alternator, waterpump etc. is against the firewall with very little room to work. I had to replace the flywheel/harmonic balancer in one and had to borrow the special wrench to get the nut off. This year I replaced the starter and the clutch master cylinder on the old lady's 900 along with a weird wiring problem. It only has 317,000 miles on it!
Right now the big problem is rust. Cracks are starting to show up at stress points and it probably won't pass inspection in a couple of years. Parts are getting scarce too. Let me know if you have any weird problems since I've seen or heard about all of them.
I wish I had bought my buddy's mid-80's 900 turbo when he traded it in for a 528. Man, I loved that Saab--very quick and tasty on the backroads of southern WI.
edit: But his wife's mid 70's ragtop 'vette also made nice runs up to the Brat Stop. How do we turn back the clock?
There's a lot of reasons people who drive them get hooked. The seats are great for long trips and many were heated. The wrap around aircraft style windshield gives great visibility to the driver. The turbo version surprises a lot of hot rodders at stoplight drags but it requires premium fuel and a cool down idle period if you drive it hard. The normally aspirated versions perform very well when you get the revs up but the turbo screams.
I drove a Viggen a few times a friend had until he wrecked it. Love to get one of those and keep it for special occasions.
http://www.saabcentral.com/features/gm900_93/brochures/2000_viggen/vigge...
A little fleet of '86 Bimmers. E30's rule :)
man and with how sure everyone on zh talks about the economy, i thought everyone here was driving jags and lambos
'86 Toyota small cab 8'bed pickup here. I'll keep her until she is dirt or I am, suspect she will win.
I'm buying some more old Hondas and rebuilding them from the ground up.
You guys are just scared of progress, it's a crime. You should be treated as a criminal. I do love 2003 King Ranch, everything is analog and even still has a cable connected to the throttle. Ah the good ole days.
It's all being done for your...saaayyy-f-teee ;-)
Ever been involved in a hit and run?
Yes, as the perp and the victim. Problem?
Huh. I thought I was the only one... I usually tell those stories with a "what goes around comes around" meme.
That didn't come across right. I was saying if you don't like progress, than you will be treated like a ciminal. I of course, don't like people who get away with crimes but this is not the solution.
Ah c wut ya did thar.
An unexpected re-assertion of rights from the Librarian of Congress; in October, he established an exemption from DCMA for hacking your car's computer. along with a few other devices...
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/10/victory-users-librarian-congress-r...
yes it is a crime and the driver should face the consequences of her irresponsible actions.
however, you're avoiding the point of the topic, and that is that your technological devices are being used against you by the police state, and that trend is bound to continue.
agreed - and i think every good ZHer does as well
you lack vision and imagination.
Einstein would say therefore you lack intelligence.
Einstein is dead
His physics is not dead.
What will live on and continue to influence the World, other than your offspring, after you have died and are gone?
Or do you lack the necessary vision and imagination in order to give an answer to that?
His physics may not be dead yet, but they are starting to take quite the beating.
Now now, just because someone is dead, doesn't mean you can use that as an ad hominem against them. That's a silly non-argument.
2014 Passat TDI - the one that gets 50 mpg because VW lied to the EPA? Yeah, now have a second VERY good reason to keep that car. No internet, no nonsense.
We have a 2015 TSI Passat. This is EXACTLY why I chose the Passat over the Fusion.
I know. I know. Big brother. But how is this bad in this particular instance? A dangerous drunk asshole was apprehended before she killed someone. I think technology may have saved lives here.
It's how technology is "sold" to the public. In "this particular instance" everyone oooh's & awwwes over it, no harm no foul, right?
It becomes something completely different when it's another Ed Snowden trying to get the hell out of Dodge before "the good guys" (lol) get him ;-)
I agree with you. I just think it's great that this fucking menace was busted. It's probably a negative overall.
Thats all I'm saying, they can't be trusted, they cannot & will not control themselves meaning "law enforcement" and at some point in the future (through all tat monitoring) a corporation WILL send you advertisements based on all that information straight to your car.
Oh how nice, you won't even be able to escape it driving ;-)
My fridge called the Doctor on me Day after Thanksgiving !!!
I think it may have been the amount of gravy I put on my Turkey samich...
And the Doctor's stethoscope returned the fridge's call and said the Doctor is on the golf course and to call back in three days.
You notice both you and I capitilized the D in Doctor. We don't do it for rocket scientist, physicist, engineer and so on. What makes a doctor special?
Doctor is a title....like Master....and is properly capitalized.
(I do NOT follow the rulez when I write informally in this venue.)
Physcists are Doctors of Philosophy.
Engeneers are as well.
Doctors of Medicine generally do not have a specialized desccription (unless we denote a specialty as neurologist or cardiologist, or, etc.)
So we just refer to them as Doctor and it is understood that we are writing about Doctors of Medicine.
Never had an engineer stick his/her finger up my ass, so that makes my Doctor very special !!!
snort...lmao!!!
If he's a halfway decent doctor, he actually does something, unlike the rest of the gang in the health services business.
The problem is most Doctors have been reduced to pill pushers these days.
You'll never catch me capitalizing the "I" in insurance agent.
I think it was 1974 when the Feds mandated the seatbelt ignition interlock, whereby a car could not be started if the seatbelts of front seat passengers were not in use. A heavy bag of groceries often had to be strapped in to allow a car to start. Before popular opinion forced the termination of that inanity, many ways of bypassing the interlock were devised. I see something similar happening if cars become too "connected". We already know that anything with a computer that can communicate via RF is vulnerable. Cars have been hijacked, smart tvs have been hijacked, smartpnones have been hijacked...I suspect that a cottage industry of programmers will arise to correct these types of "features" if the burden proves onerous.
Or, you could just whack that dorsal-fin-like antenna off the top of your new BMW with a hammer.
Or, you could just whack that dorsal-fin-like antenna off the top of your new BMW with a hammer.
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Holy cow, I was just thinking about that earlier today out on road. I'm halfway to Luddite-dom. Last to go will be this laptop.
Without looking at a schematic, I would think pulling a fuse would do the trick. Likely a board with a 3g chip.
Good technology would have prevented this individual from driving in the first place. Better tech would have called Uber for the drive home.
No need to even involve the fucking revenuers.
In this instance Zerohedge is not telling the whole story. Sync is a feature in Ford's that offers a feature called "911 Assist" whereby, if set to "ON" by the vehicle owner, can indeed do what Zerohedge has outlined here. The fact that this feature was enabled was her call (pun intended), not Ford's.
Thanks for adding this important fact. Having said that, it's hard to think there isn't a capability for that to be overridden remotely in case of law enforcement request.
I suppose that's possible but, like the whole cell phone spying thing, I think that might open up a similar can of worms with the Surpreme Court. And I doubt they'd go around randomly activating people's 911 Assist for no good reason. But who knows in today's world.
I'm certain Justice Roberts will protect the rights and privacy of We, the People, from the oppressive boot heel of government.
A while back some woman in So Cal had a GM with OnStar shut down while she was driving the thing because she had missed too many payments.
I tend to not care, cuz I'm racyiss, but it's still a shitty thing...
Another problem is that the spying and tracking functions are heavily integrated into the computerized control system by now. Somebody will eventually figure out how to defeat all of this crap but it might require replacing a lot of the engine management system with new hardware that has a Linux based controller. Sounds expensive.
Thank you for this important detail.
I'm somewhat ambivalent on this issue. Driving a car at speeds over about 10-15 mph is an inherently dangerous activity. One does not, all things equal, have an unfettered right to operate motor vehicles without any restriction.
Selfishness and bald faced stupidity cost the lives of thousands of innocent people (and billions of dollars in insurance premiums paid by responsible drivers to cover the risk takers and outright reckless.)
So when it comes to cars and road safety, I'm amenable to certain restrictions and rules.
Obviously, these can be abused. It's critical, therefore, that people remain informed, educated, and active in decision making.
Remember that part of the reason there is a real debate about the Sync system and other initiatives that are invasive is because about 50% of the general population are blithering idiots. I do not drive much anymore because when I averaged about 700 miles a week for a year, I witnessed drivers doing not just the dumb, but the downright nihilistic. When you see dozens of people looking down, tablet in hand, clearly reading and not driving, that is a population of idiots who are begging to have Big Brother watch them drive a car (if they can continue to drive at all.)
My point is that there is sometimes more to the story than just "ORWELLIAN RULES RAPE MY PRIVACY." In this case, Ms. Burnstein unfortunately underscores precisely why there is a real market and a legitimate debate about such systems as Sync.
With all that said, I'm generally very opposed to the absurd 'Internet of Things' scam. I listened to an interview on Bloomberg about a month ago with a purveyor of some gadget based on the concept. The merchant was claiming that by, for example, tagging all light bulbs, there would be incredible cost savings.
How you may ask? Said bill of goods dealer claimed that 'well, if there is a bulb that is out and not fixed, it can lead to crime (or something else bad) and so in the long run the wi-fi reporting from each bulb will make things less expensive!'
Aside from the fact that I am dim on the idea of living in an environment where furniture, water glasses, and ceiling fans are all broadcasting more radio waves for me to simmer in, the concept is just plain stupid. It affords the end user no improvement whatsoever. If I am so dumb that I need a refrigerator to order new products based on UPC and 'on hand inventory,' then I'm already dead and just mimicking being alive.
This Internet of Things is purely a gimmick that at best for the greedy investors involved, will harvest data and build AI purchasing program models.
I write all of this to make clear that while I'm willing to support a type of Sync system, in certain circumstances and to certain degrees, I'm overall against the invasive concept of 'upload everything to the cloud/IoT.'
Trying to modify human behavior through legislation always fails. The push for self-driving cars indicates they eventually want people to stop driving altogether. This dovetails nicely with restricting freedom of movement. "See the USA in your Chevrolet" will no longer be an option if this trend continues.
you are oh so totally wrong. I grew up in Communism and human behavior was heavily modified. there was very litle crime because everyone behaved themselves very well, knowing you get caught the poiliev will beat your ass up pretty good.
With due respect Ralph, that's a completely wrong assertion.
Legislation can be very effective at altering behavior. Granted, do I think that most jurisdictions in the greater US plutocracy will craft effective legislation? Not likely.
But objectively speaking, taking the extreme Ayn Rand style of governance realistically leads to either chaos or, more likely, some kind of power bloc coming in.
My contention is not popular with absolutist libertarians. However, as one who is tired of socializing the cost of living through extra-taxation purposes when it comes to motor vehicles, I'm quite willing to listen to legitimate proposals.
Obviously there is serious danger with something like this Sync system. Personally, I'm not in favor of it specifically. But there are other programs that I would support (high resolution cameras on cars installed by owners and public hd cameras in particularly rich accident zones.)
If dangerous drivers were en mass caught out and punished, assuming that the government authority was serious about long term enforcement, I would suspect that behavior would change.
+1 "...contention is not popular with absolutist libertarians..." particulary those, I would add, have not experienced different jurisdictions, or even ever been in places where there is neither law nor order... at all, even in the most rudimentary way
about the article: who's car was it? did she pay for it... fully? it might be a detail, but imho an important detail. the more cars belong to banks and financing companies, the more people accept rebates on their insurance in exchange of monitoring devices, the more cars are services, provided by megacorps for megacorps
and so the logic of megacorp middle management kicks in, and CYA demands for those service providing vehicles to scream for the police... in order to protect the investment of the megacorp
next logical step for the future: the vehicles don't scream for the police but for the private security of the service provider
This is hugely important: the mass change from owner to lessee society is one of the most caustic effects that is eating the West alive.
Everything is about base, clinical functional utility. Part of this means we are essentially zombies already half dead. It also means that lessors call the shots.
This is antithetical to our history and causes a virtual criminalization of making something beautiful for the sake of extpressing beauty. It is no wonder that we see bizarre 'fat is beautiful' campaigns.
100% wrong. the transmission can not be 'turned off'....it is always on whether you pay or not. you just dont get the 'extras' if you dont pay.....
That's how it starts. First they add an optional feature to all cars, then make it mandatory.
Oh, and the income tax was 1% for the very rich at one point. Everybody wanted to get them rich folks! Now everybody pays through their noses... oh and if you ask the IRS, it's completey voluntary!
Yes the Amish have had it right all along. It's a whole different world when your "horsepower" can eat it's fuel along the road.
FORD = Found On Road, Deputy
FORD = Figured Out, Run Deputy
FORD.........Fix Or Repair Daily
First on Race Day.
Jeep: Just Empty Every Pocket.
And yes, I'll drive my '92 until it doesn't go anymore. But I don't mind breaking things that much. Broken part = upgraded part. It's a Jeep thing.
FORD = Found On Road Dead
FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily
FORD = Freakin' Ole Rebuilt Dodge
Go ahead, pick yer' poison..
Who do most PD's have Fords?
Those old Crown Victorias had a back seat that could handle a 300 pound perp hign on some drug. They don't use Ford Focuses, at least not here in the US. Maybe that's part of why there are so many police involved in shootings: call an ambulance rather than stuff them into an undersized back seat.
PDs like them because they are almost indestructible and can be repaired easily. They can maintain long high speed chases and not overheat or suffer brake fade like regular cars.
Police interceptors aren't equipped the same as a family sedan. Like Ellwood said in the Blues Brothers movie - "It's got the cop mill, cop brakes, cop tires" etc. And the huge trunk can hold all the emergency gear and radio equipment.
FORD = Fucking Orential Rice Digger
They found the problem painted it blue and circled it.
pontiac --- poor old nigger thinks its a cadillac
Back in the day, George Bush's campaign code name for Jesse Jackson was "Pontiac". The media reported on it but imagine that today.
Someone could reuse it for Lizzy Warren, she's an Indian, isn't she?
Fiat - Fix it again, Tony
Ford - For only retarded drivers
Ford - Found on roadside, dead
boat - bust out another thousand
For some reason I started leaving my cell phone home when I left. At first I almost went back to get it "in case of emergency or important call" but decided not to.
After the first cell - less outing I started feeling free again.
Why is that I wonder :)
Never had one, never plan to.
I refuse to pay for a device that tracks my every move.
The only time I carry a (not at all smart) cell phone - my son's idea, and he's paying for it - is when I go driving somewhere. It stays in a metal box that's impervious to RF and is only used for outgoing calls should some need arise.
Time to get out the soldering iron.
EMP that shit -- fixed forever
Ford SYNC: A 15 minute call, could get you 15 years or more in inprisonment. (cue the gecko)
This is just to funny :)
but I use it for another thing. I use it let it make reservations for me at restaurants, tell me about traffic and the weather forecast :)
And they always answer and they're always nice
I have no problem in this... in this type of instance. Its not 'pre-crime' if some ass ran from an accident. Frankly its more like justice.
However, something like this SHOULD always be voluntary initiation, not automatic in a car's features.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain (It's time to toss the dice)
The Daily Economist
Just wait until it starts phoning the police every time you speed or don't come to a complete stop.....
And not fastening your seat belt, etc. It can silently accumulate a log of all such incidents in a database so as to empower them to arrest you for numerous sundry offenses at will at any time in the future. That's how police states keep their populations easy to control - turn everyone into cut and dried lawbreakers.
And increase your insurance.
http://www.insurancebox.com.au
I saw this advertised on TV not too long ago. Looks like Australia is beating the pants off of the US in the race to become the first truly Big Brother nation state. The Stasi pale in comparison.
1. Connect the car to cities police department.
2. You speed, the car writes you a ticket.
3. And alerts your insurance company...
That would be VERY easy to do...GPS tells them where you are, so they know the speed limit, and the car knows exactly how fast you're going...
Of course, if they write tickets because "they're concerned about safety, not for the revenue"...then they could just program the cars computer to NOT LET YOU SPEED...or to at least warn you to slow your ass down or a ticket is coming in 9...8..7...
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Local media interviewed a cop about our speed cams...he says, "technically, 1 MPH over is breaking the law; but it's too difficult to stop everyone".....well, problem solved...just program the car to issue a citation every time you're 1 over the limit...I'm sure this cop would think that's a "great idea".
Insurance companies already offer devices to monitor your driving habits, allowing you to avoid their exorbitant premiums if you allow them to snoop and behave yourself while driving.
But what if the car decides to call 911 because the car is motionless - engine off, perhaps the radio is on - and the sensors detect too much heat in the back seat, the suspension is rocking back and forth, and the voice sensor can't tell the difference between "Don't!...Stop!...Don't...Stop!" and "Don't stop!...DON'T STOP!"? Or don't people do that sort of thing any longer?
My experience in my yute with "doing that sorta thing"....back in the 70's...was that no matter how much you believed "no one will bother us here"...a fucken cop was there faster than imaginable.
I drove my cycle off the road, over a small hill into a park, and we were completely out of sight of the road with only moonlight...15 minutes later, here comes a cop with a flashlight...WTF...how did you know we were here..."I saw your fresh tire marks going off the road; thought maybe it was an accident"...shit!
But you can't separate this kind of instance from the other kind where there was no victim or you privately settled with the victim or they just want to find you so send out a ping. 99% of laws on the books are victimless crimes. This system can't tell the difference, it just reflexively rats you out in all cases.
Cut the wire to the aerial / antenna.
lol do you know how this works?
"Cut the wire to the aerial / antenna."
LOL!...this isn't 1973....and yeah, like they're that stupid...you cut the wire...the car won't start...how ya like them apples!
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HDCP - High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection
Your Media Player (DVD, BR, etc) now "talks" to your output device (TV, Stereo,etc)...if they can't/don't/won't talk...it ain't gonna work.
like adobe cloud apps....ping the cloud or you're fkd useless
and funny ping the cloud used to be a joke amongst some ol coworkers and I
You are in good hand cuffs with AllState.
Ha!
Not one....but two 'accidental' hit and runs! By a jewess no less!
The sufferink!!
Its another shoah............send shekels.......protect her from the....goyim!
Talk about jew privilege.
This just in! In a puzzling time shift parallel universe thingie the hit-and-run driver has been identified as Cathy BerenSTAIN.
In this instance Zerohedge is not telling the whole story. Sync is a feature in Ford's that offers a feature called "911 Assist" whereby, if set to "ON" by the vehicle owner, can indeed do what Zerohedge has outlined here. The fact that this feature was enabled was her call, not Ford's.
And of course, it's not hackable!
You forgot the /sarc tag.....
Obviously implied.
WHY aren't such systems routinely being used to track stolen vehicles or snap photos of whoever is turning on or off the ignition so as to track thieves? Most new autos have options to put them onto wireless/cellular networks.
Shouldn't insurance agaisnt theft become very cheap or un-necessary if the car can be tracked and the Driver ID compared against the vehicle Owner's list of insured/allowed users? IF you and your's aren't behind the wheel or it's been claimed stolen the car should be alerting law enforecement and providing location and driver video/audio..
Insurance should go way down for such services that would aid in tracking and recovery of stolen vehicles, and prosecution of car thieves should be quite perfunctiory if systems simply dumped photos and locations of stolen cars and the driver thereof into the police scanner systems, etc...
Maybe IF police dash and body cams thwart illegal police activies they should be installed on politicians so that they can be monitored and their activities tracked as well...
Our city supervisors got HUGE WOODY over all the "revenue" generated by "making the streets safer" with Red Light Cams (RLCs).
Accidents at the intersection of the RLCs went UP! The city LIED and said the RLC's caused a reduction in accidents...BS...a group sued the city...the city backed down and REMOVED the RLC's...stating, "Going to court would have wasted a lot of money"...bullshit...a year later, ALL of the RLC's were gone...no explanation...just quietly disappeared...combined, those RLC's were bringing in $800,000 a year in fines! Why would they remove them?....because they were CAUSING ACCIDENTS....and the "Hupy and Abraham" clouds were gathering on the horizon...one mega personally injury settlement could wipe out a decades worth of fine revenue...THAT'S WHY they took down those RLC's...lying bastards.
Helol Police?
Yes, this is chevy.
My air filter analizer is picking-up an illegal substance being burned inside my body! Please send the authorities to my location!
you think this is bad, just wait until your toilet starts calling the cops
i drop some highly radioactive shit down there on occasion
Is it paranoia if they really are watching? No problem w security cameras everywhere. Phone that tells me to to turn in 75 feet when I am using mapquest can damn sure know when car is parked in garage.
Matrix anyone ? Do they want to know your every move ? Who are they? Suffice is to say we are not one of them.
My fire dept had to respond to an Onstar automated report (the computer onboard reported it, not the driver), of a car crash on a remote logging road. It turned out the driver did hit a rather large bump but proceeded driving to his destination without damage. We arrived at scene and no one was there. We had to contact Onstar to verify report and was given information to contact driver. Most vehicles now can remotely give information such as location, temperature, how many occupants are in vehicle via sensors in the seat etc...
She got off lucky. Five years from now, the doors will lock and the car will drive her to the police impound lot for processing.
If she were to take off her shoe and bash out the side window to escape, her seatbelt would still keep her "safe" in the vehicle.
Chevrolet, Cooter heaven, eating vagina, rollin on love every time!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U
1) if i drive into a lake the car CAN'T phone for help
2) if i hit a tree after having a couple of beers i probably DON'T WANT the car to call the cops as i don't need the hassle.
life is a gamble. i don't want my car calling anyone by itself and i sure the hell don't want it testifying against me in court.
Put your left front tire on the Holy mat, open your right side front door.
Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you Henry Ford?
Honk
Please be in park.
What could go wrong? Your car determines that the weight in the passenger seat is not the same as your wife's. The car is parked but the driver's seat is bouncing. The in-car camera texts a photo of you getting a blowjob by a hooker to your wife. Your wife remotely locks the doors and disables the ignition and alerts the cops to your location.
And if you decide to drive over a cliff or leave it running in your garage so you can end it all, the car will call the local mental hospital and have you institutionalized and then the car will be sold to another perp.
PA Turnpike installed new toll collection that takes photo of plate and sends bill to anyone not having ez pass
Highway robbery re-envisioned.
#winning
The Florida Turnpike is already like that. You get the bill in the mail via plate photo enforcement.
So the world will be divided into three:
1° Those who don't drive cars.
2° THose who drive dumb cars made in Zimbabwe by Car Inc.
3° Those who drive smart cars who talk to Big Brother made by Ford and other members of Car Inc. monopoly.
Thats the BEST we can hope. I'm all for electric bicycles.
#4 Just remove that black box gizmo then throw it in a river or lake. I am sure instructions to remove it will be available on the internet.
#5 The OS has to be on a chip or drive, format that and freedom will be at hand.
Encripted ?
bwahahaha a law is already beign writtne making tamperign with the blakc box a punishible offence.
The OS that calls the cops, is the same one that runs the car...format that, and your ass be walkin to your destination.
Power steering pumps...cheap (sub $100), plentiful, DIY replacement and proven for DECADES>..NOPE, not good enough for "future cars"...you'll be using "Electronic Steering Control Systems"...a computer/electric motor will direct the steering..cost when it breaks, in a new Mazda today, $1000! and ONLY AN AUTHORIZED DEALER has the software required to calibrate the system.
felek :So the world will be divided into three.
4. "vintage" auto, like my buddies 53 chevy PU. Go ahead... EMP that fukker.... 15 minutes late it's up and running like nothing ever happened.
I'm in group #1
I have a car, it's just in storage - has been for about 5 years now.
Fancy unit - 1997 Dodge Stratus - body oiled every year since new.
Maybe it will be a classic one day!
I cycle a LOT.
Sounds like of these fancy new features in Tesla models.
Next your car will Taser you as you try to run off.
"Open the doors, Forte!"
"Sorry, I can't do that Kina"
Or just empty a clip in you, and then get off because they were just "cleaning the gun and it went off, 16 times'...
I would like access to my cars features the gps would take care of the theft issue. It would be nice for if and when I loan out my car. Keep tabs on the young drivers. Finding it in a big parking lot. Stuff like that.
As to any other folks having any access does bother me. Its mine after all. Tho some seem to have trouble with that concept. Its still mine every bit of it scratches and dents all of it. Including every last line of code too. If ya did not want me to have the code ya shouldnt a put it on MY car.
While you are the "legal" owner of the car the dealer transferred your Equity ownership over to the State (DMV) via the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin to obtain "registration", probably by the dealer sending it in as a "courtesy " to the original purchaser.
The Equity owner of a property has the right to insure that it isn't abused or degraded, etc... And to obtain fees from the user for its use and misuse (registration and licensing fees, tags, tickets for exceeding statutory speed limits, etc...
That's where the term Lessor derives from, you are less of an owner than the equity owner.
That's my interpretation of the law, not legal advice. DYODD.
technology throwbacks to save us from the evils of where the tech is going.. battlestar galactica anyone? if you haven't seen the reimagined series (not the one from the 1970s with mr. alpo lorne green, but the new one with edward james olmos) RUN to download it somewhere now. even if you just watch the pilot. plenty of doom for ZHers in there, and imho, one of the best shows on tv ever.. right up there with breaking bad (i put BB-1, BSG-2, then maybe the wire? third)
Excellent series. Watch it end to end. Maybe top 20 all time, with Breaking Bad at about first.
Without Hoss, No one really gave a shit about Lorne Greene.
Absolutely a great series, but at the same time went down faster than a flaming b-52.
It really managed to address a lot of important issues. Sub-standard working conditions, slavery, martial law,
Worst-ending-ever though.
So will disconnecting this system now be concidered witness tampering ?
Whoopsing: So will disconnecting this system now be concidered witness tampering ?
You buy the automobile. You do not own the software in your automobile. Do a search for the case history with Dodge / Cummins as it pertains to the Can Bus system and reprogramming the Cummins ECU. Same as all the dumphucks who "upgrade" free to Windoze 10, complete with keyloggers...etc...
Good thing nobody can get in there and tamper with the polution controls. That would be bad.
Only a select group of criminals can do that sort of thing and get away with it!
....yup, the fueling boxes I can buy...all bypass the ECU, they don't rewrite the stuff inside the ecu.
I wonder what Michael Hastings would say about this. I am pretty sure it wouldn't be anything close to "if your not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about".
Back in 78, my friend Brian hid his car in my parent's garage (I told them a tie rod went out), at my instigation, after he did a hit and run.
I didn't tell on him,
and neither did his car.
there's an enemy.
it's called SKYNET.
be ready!!!
Hahahahahahahaha!!!
A couple of years ago, a good friend bought a new CTS-V. He refused to push the OnStar button. The Dealer kept calling saying "you must push that button, or we don't get paid...". After a few months of them hassling him, he pushed the button. He was appalled at the amount of information the "Operator" had about him, and about his purchase, that she wanted to "verify for our records"..
He called me and said "tell me how to disable, PERMANENTLY, the OnStar in the CTS-V". I did some research in Corvette forums (Corvettes have the same architecture, and Corvette drivers are sensitive about what data their cars can gather about things like how fast they are going, and where)and found that you unplug the "box" connectors. There are 4 of them. The 4th one, "J4" has two pairs of wires in it. They are data that all the boxes in the car communicate on. You have to jumper the pairs in J4 back together to complete the chain, or the car won't run. I passed this info on at the time, but never heard a conclusion to what he did.
I saw him a few weeks ago, and saw the CTS-V sitting in his garage. I asked him "did you ever disconnect the OnStar?" "Yes, I did what you said, even tried to start it without the jumper, and it wouldn't. Even better, a few days later I got a land-line call from OnStar. "Mr. xxxx, we have lost communication with your car. We would like you to get it to a Dealer for a check-out". Mr xxxx: "That won't be necessary. I did some electrical work to the car, hoping to make some changes to how it operates. This call confirms that my efforts were successful. Thank you for the concern".
So she damages other people's property and potentially hurts someone and then runs off? Fuck her. She's a criminal. Hopefully this is the brave new world where people are held to account for their actions.
Unless she has connections, in which case, it will be covered up. In fact, without help concealing one's past, every president since 1981 would have been disqualified before getting anywhere near the White House.
Hey, your Brave New World wouldn't be all bad, if the same rules applied to EVERYONE.
So let's not go after any criminals because part of the system is corrupt.
Doesn't change what she did. She damaged someone else's property and tried to get away with it. Who gives a shit what the president is hiding?