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Russian Missile Destroyer "Fires Warning Shots" To Avoid Collision With Turkish Vessel
Another day, another military escalation between Russia and Turkey, this time not in the air, but on the water in the northern part of the Aegean sea, where the crew of the Russian "Smetlivy" destroyer was forced to use firearms on Sunday to prevent a collision with a Turkish seiner vessel according to a statement by Russia's Ministry of Defense.
The full statement from Russia's Defense Ministry read that "the crew of the Russian patrol ship Smetlivy which was located 22 kilometres from the Greek island of Lemnos in the northern part of the Aegean Sea avoided collision with a Turkish seiner."
The crew of the Kashin-class guided missile destroyer Smetlivy spotted the Turkish fishing trawler some 1,000 meters from the Russian warship early on Sunday morning, the ministry said. The ship was sailing towards the destroyer and ignored calls for radio contact and other attempts to communicate.
The destoyer's morning crew spotted an approaching Turkish ship at a distance of approximately one kilometer. The seiner did not get on the air for radio contact with the Russian ship and did not respond to signal lamps or flairs.
Upon the Turkish seiner's dangerously close approach to "Smetlivy" at a distance of 600 meters, the Russian partol ship fired a shot beyond the hitting range of the fireamrs to avoid collision.
The ministry said the Turkish fishing ship changed course after that and kept about 540 meters from the Smetlivy, but didn’t contact the Russian warship.
“Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov has summoned the military attaché of the Turkish embassy in Russia in connection with the incident in the Aegean Sea,” the statement said.
Muzaffer Gecici, who is the owner of the Turkish fishing vessel Geciciler Balikcilik, however flatly denied the Russian claims saying that his boat and the Russian warship had a distance of at least 1 mile (1.6 km), speaking to the Turkish media.
He also stated that the Russian warship was not on the move and nobody heard any warning shots from the destroyer, adding that his vessel is technologically well-equipped and that he has already given footage from the incident to the Turkish Coast Guard.
Meanwhile, the Russian ministry has released another statement after it summoned Turkey’s military naval attache in Moscow, Rear Admiral Ahmet Gunes, saying that the Russian Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov had “a conversation” with Gunes. The statement has also claimed that the Turkish vessel, which is a small civilian fisher boat, was able to provoke the Russian military guard ship Smetlivy.
“Just by good fortune, the tragedy had been avoided,” the statement kept claiming.
For now there is no official (or unofficial) closure of the Bosphorus to Russian shipping, however as noted previously, this does remain a key Turkish trump card, one which however Putin would promptly read as an declaration of war by Erdogan, and as a further reminder, the bloody Russo-Turkish was of 1828 was sparked by nothing less than the closure of the Dardanelles Strait to Russian ships.
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Or 1683 for that matter
http://gatesofvienna.net/
Which led to the birth of the "Crescent Roll". All good things come from war.
It really pissed them off when they put ham and cheese on them.
Mmm, Mmm Ham & Cheese!
US State Dept will say that Russia should allow suicide boats to come to close to their naval ships as they did...
Profiling
We'll just have to wait untill the next big "accident" happens that will raise our defcon alert to 3 and then it's on. At level 2, it's wise to go on a very long vacation if you can to the other side of the world.
Some news for you SD. Boomers are ALWAYS at DEFCON 2.
Even at port with no nukes or crew?
There is no otherside of the world anymore
FALSE FLAG! BLACK SWAN! WWIII! GOLD! OIL! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!
False flags for sale, false flags for sale. Buy two get one free.
Brilliant as always
http://www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/41-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html
Ah, but did you read the article in the WashingtonsBlog, regarding
(a) the increase in Scope that Russia is facing in Syria,
(b) Israeli Commandos helping or rescuing Al Nusra and Al Qaeda fighters in southern Syria, and
(c) the reason for the Sunni Sallafist/Wahhabist escalation toward a Caliphate?
Details at http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/12/russia-losing-battle-jihadists-syria.html#more-52464.
Regarding (b) and (c)... IMO, Israel's right wingers (Likuds) and religious fundamentalists (Orthodox Jews) are of crazy, if they think that Salafist/Wahhabists around them will leave them alone forever. If, for argument's sake, these Jihadists were to win in the region and establish their Caliphate, then Israel is their next, natural and unavoidable target. It's only a question of When, not If. In which case, why would these Israeli extremists even care about a secular Assad? It makes NO sense. What's the missing piece of the puzzle?
I been searching for that missing piece for a long time.
Just like I been searching for the missing piece of Obama....
"In which case, why would these Israeli extremists even care about a secular Assad? It makes NO sense. What's the missing piece of the puzzle?"
Answer to the first question: They intend to invade to create a "greater Israel" that includes Damascus and secure the illegally occupied Syrian Golan Heights - water resources, land and even oil. Every zionist nutjob is harping on about the biblical David conquering Damascus and as usual, the Israelis will claim that it has always been theirs once they occupy it, denying even the existence of the Syrian people. They are proven thieves, liars and murderers with a proven track record of doing it to the Palestinians. Turkey is itching to take Northern Syria and as long as Erdogan remains in power, they'll be acting as Israel's bitch as well as NATO's madman.
Answer to the second: Israel has the most powerful military force in the region, bar none. Without the support of the Israelis and the Zionists at the US State Dept/CIA who keep the Salafist/Wahhabists topped up with weapons, ammo and cannon fodder, those Islamic nutjobs will crumble overnight. They're only thriving now because of huge logistical support. The entire Saudi armed forces can't even take Yemen and the Qataris use mercenaries - they are no match for Israel even if they used their conventional forces and their proxy ISIS fighters combined. Besides, I reckon most of the ranking ISIS guys will disappear to the suburbs of America and Turkey as soon as their usefulness approaches the sell by date of ISIS.
would a collision put much of a dent in that Russian cuiser?
Next time just fucking plow into it and say oooops.
Let the insurance companies sort it out.
I seriously doubt the Russkies wanted to harm the Turk boat.
Given the radio and flare.warnings the Russians gave them, I have no doubt that is the case.
A collision would probably result in a court martial and hanging for destroying russian state property comrade.
That Russian missile cruiser looks a wee bit top heavy. Still better than the new Zumwalt class cruiser which might tip over by itself in a following sea. Tumblehome for stealth, cold comfort for change.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/defense-news-will-ddg1000-destroyer...
(US) Navy's New Destroyer's Seaworthiness, Stability Questioned
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/11/30/navys-new-destroyers-seawo...
Stealth destroyer undergoing sea trials rescues fisherman off Maine - USS Milwaukee, Navy's newest ship, towed to base after breaking down at seahttp://www.mainemirror.com/index.php/sid/239397397
Could be bs
Remember, "Loose lips sink ships"
You might want to look up uss cole.
Nuclear winter is our only hope of stopping global warming.
Nah..just a few nukes aimed at Turkey and one in Mecca if it's not too much trouble
Maybe N.Korea would oblige on the Mecca thing
..at the request of 'undisclosed clients'
NKorea nuking Mecca would be perfect. It would solve many problems at once. No more mecca, no more DPKR, and lots of dead arab soldiers fighting in NKorea.
Has to be done during the Hadj.
And we all know how well those dead arab soldiers fight.
So, the Turks loaded up on Ouzo at Greece, and passed out at the till. Too loaded to operate the radio, they drunkenly swerved away from the Russian vessel.
Russians should take phtos of them dumping the empties before the Coast Guard raids them.
We’ve had enough Pat Tillman’s. Who do they think they re?
Lob a missile right on top of that Destroyer. Sink it to Heck!
Suicide boats are going to take a lot more than small arms to stop them... better get on the big guns... one km is not far enough away
Non story
Turkish naval ECM trawler doing signals work. Russians should have sunk it. Fuck Gollum. Let's get it on.
Naturally, thats why the 'warning shot'.
constantinople will be liberated from the muslim and russian orthodox church will claim sofia. the bear has nuke claws. and turkey is in a tight box. Iran to the east, russia to the north, syria to the south...things of legend.
Captain Kirk and his party would have boarded that vessel. However, Lt. Wokowski won't be coming back.
Don't be sad, we Polaks always find our destiny in other dimensions.
"Don't be sad, we Polaks always find our destiny in other dimensions."
I have always found modern polaks to be a very unevolved group of people.
More or less the niggers of europe, like the rus.
Maybe thats why polaks have so much in common with the rus?
ignorant post
Russians are more opposite of what you claim
better worry about your own country
winged hussars?
Damn straight/strait!
The next step will be Erdogan's ordering the Straits off-limits to Russian ships.
This will result in a buildup of Russian Forces.
The Turkish Military, if they have any fucking brains at all, will liquidate Erdogan and tell the Russians they will back off.
Otherwise, you will get your nuclear winter as everything goes out of control.
the easy way: erdogan will have a polonium tea party. there is little need for
total war, when the adm of government rests in just a few hands..modern tech makes is very easy to remove leadership - w/o armies meeting in the classic WWII style..it was a sad day when bush decided to invade in the classic WWII style, when he could have eliminated the top of the Iraq gov..but there was more money in war then decapitation...MIC hates easy quick solutions. there is no profit in it.
The Phony Litvinenko Murder William Dunkerley
Media dumb you down much?
The most likely culprit in the was zoligarch Berezovsky.
https://www.rt.com/news/berezovsky-litvinenko-murder-allegations-662/
The father of Aleksandr Litvinenko, who was killed by Polonium-210 poison in London in 2006, has told British investigators whom he believes was behind the crime. He named Litvinenko’s former boss Boris Berezovsky and one of his associates
Exactly but not alone Goldfarb definitely and the Brits
don't forget, these 'usual suspects' always run to UK for quick asylum
there was known 'hot' smuggling in UK traces found other locations over time, of course not in news
Omnicron Press is William Dunkerleys site.
He has three books Amazon. Two Litvinenko, and one on Kiev Maidan
Omnicron Press is his YouTube channel
otherwise there is some other out there
but tons of bullshit lies also, cos thatr is what they do
Nuclear Winter
Ezekiel 32:7
When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light.
"I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke. 31"The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.
Matthew 24:29
"Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
Mark 13:24
"But in those days, following that distress, "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Acts 2:20
The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Isaiah 13:10
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
Dude, that is the asteroid that wipes us all out just AFTER we find complete and total world peace.
Dude, that would be the ultimate irony.
This mental illness from the bible babble is predictive programming written by satanists to give to brainwashed moronic christians and proof your religion is just a different evil than islam and judaism.
Lets burn all 'holy books' and get rid of communism and wait for you demons in human form to create your new aquarian age god conspiracy against the universe and galaxy.
You are why ISIS will defeat many before it is extinguished. Their faith gives them a strength of will that has long since vanished in the west.
If I were to drop you and and ISIS fighter in a cage to fight to the death - matched weights and even skill sets - my money would be on the ISIS chap based on the strength his faith gives him.
Faith, or captagon?
Please.
If Erdogan thinks NATO would back it's play in closing the Bospherous to Russia, then he has rocks in his head no matter what NATO might tell him.
There are no allies...Only interests that can be served and regime changes always present opportunities.
I'm pretty sure Erdogan knows this because weasels can always recognize their own kind.
Promise? Love you posts.
At this rate, I wouldn't fancy too many Europeeps will be booking package tours to Turkey next year. A bomb might drop at any moment.
Underwater calibre launch from russian submarine. ISIS - not happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHdQ-eg83oI
The anti-Russian powers, with Britain to the fore, have been playing this game in and around the Turkish Straits for centuries. The whole idea is to hinder, harrass and confine the Russian Black Sea Fleet, in an effort to prevent Russia getting free passage to the Med, where Britain has always sought to retain control over the two Mediterranean choke-points governing the flow of world trade and naval power - the Suez and Gibraltar. This area, with the Turkish Straits at its epicentre, remains a planetary crossroads of immense strategic importance. The Mackinder doctrine continues to inform British policy here - as far as possible prevent Russia from becoming a global naval power by curtailing her options on the southern flank.
There is a way around this Great Game which would allow Russia to simply sidestep any harrassment in the Turkish Straits, not to mention possible closure: that is, seek a deal with Assad to secure a 250-year lease on the two bases Russia now occupies in that country - Tartous, and Latakia. Then go ahead and develop these bases into full-fledged military installations. If the US and UK can have military bases spanning the globe, why not Russia? And by full-fledged I mean full-fledged - air defence, nuclear deterrents, tank brigades, submarine and destroyer facilities, the works.
This would be a massive setback for Britain, America and Israel, all of whom are desperate to keep Russia out of what they see as their sphere. They would no longer enjoy the leverage they have over Russia by confining it to the Black Sea. It would effectively change the balance of power not just in the eastern Med but globally, allowing Russia unhindered access to the wide open sea, and all that goes with it in terms of deterrence, projection of power, and geopolitical influence over every last conflict in the region, not least the most intractable of them all in the Holy Land.
That's a nice idea and would partly solve the Turkish Straits problem as it exists. Although Russia's bases in Syria would still need supplying from the motherland and this would become important in times of trouble such as we have now.
Which is why "ISIS" are trying to set up their "caliphate" across northern Syria and Iraq, to close off Russia's other route, from the Caspian Sea. And if that fails, Zion together with NATO will make sure Kurdistan is established instead. Either way, they will make damn sure, militarily if necessary, to prevent Russia opening a corridor from the Caspian to Syria.
This is not going to end well at all. There are powers here who have been playing this game for centuries, and they will not back down one inch. Too much at stake. They're shutting down Russia's options one by one, and eventually that's going to backfire in the most brutal, devastating war imaginable. I love Mother Russia, but nobody should be under any illusion that the Russians fight pretty. They don't. Their military doctrine is one of absolute, unremitting brutality. They fight to win, and they will throw everything at their enemies if they feel they are being cornered.
"[...] across northern Syria and Iraq, to close off Russia's other route, from the Caspian Sea"
Which would explain why the Turks have moved into Mosul. And why the US support the Kurds.
With Russia's land route and the Straits route blocked, it would have no way to get to its military bases on the Syrian Med except by air. Then it could be banned from using Turkish & Iraqi airspace.
And if all that happens, it would also block access for Iran to Syria thereby preventing the so-called "Shia-Crescent" from forming.
As you say, serious war is on the horizon.
If Damascus falls to ZATO, anybody not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day.
"I love Mother Russia, but nobody should be under any illusion that the Russians fight pretty. They don't. Their military doctrine is one of absolute, unremitting brutality. They fight to win, and they will throw everything at their enemies if they feel they are being cornered."
That sounds just like the Europeans, before Zionist hijacked their money, governments and media. It sounds like European warriors of old. You just gave Kirk goose bumps.
How ironic that Russia would become Europe's last hope to save its civilization, now that the Zionists, Anglo-American Globalists, and Arab Salafists/Wahhabists have conspired upon them, in a most unholy and revolting of alliances. Hence... Go Russia, Go Putin!
Indeed. There are also people who used to say
"America is the world's last, best hope" (of preventing totalitarianism)
Then it was taken over by all those venal slimeballs you mention who are hell-bent on imposing totalitarian government upon us.
I had thought Russia was also setting up a base on Cyprus. If the Greeks had any brains, they don't, they would leave Zato, EU-SSR and join with Russia and allow a Russian base in Greece.
I thought that Russia might be able to run a pipeline from Syria to Greece to bypass Turkey. I am hoping the Iraqis and Kurds decide that Russia is the only way forward. The Kurds need to get rid of that Bazani phony and his klan.
I think even Sunni members of Parliment in Iraq want the Russians in and USA out.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2015/12/iraq-says-lets-go-with-russia.html
“The government and parliament need to review the agreement signed with the United States on security because the United States does not seriously care about its fulfillment,” committee member Hamid al-Mutlaq, a senior Sunni lawmaker told Sputnik on Wednesday. “We demand that it be annulled,” he added.
Here is a quick video on Nov 26, 2015 showing what the Russians are doing to any ISIS trucks entering Syria at the border. Warning lots of SnackBars in 19 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzIcacwJnWs
More:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRzQT4uhMlU
Alloh-a-Snakbar, Alloh-a-Snakbar. Yeah, that'll save them...
Yes, Greece could do that but it would still present a problem with getting supplies from the motherland to a Med base if Turkey is occupying Mosul and Kurdistan is created.
re gezley's post 09:42 | 6917164
I love it when a ZH blogger crafts an articulate and cogent perspective on the bigger picture, its players, their motives and common interests. Good one!
Thank you Kirk. I can troll with the best of them, but this is becoming too serious now for trolls. If we make it through the next 12-24 months without a major global conflict between nuclear powers we will be lucky. Very lucky.
Gez, I don't mean to be too picky about your otherwise intelligent post but ...
1) the Black Sea fleet is just that: a gaggle of naval ships that just float around in the Black Sea all day to keep the Barbary pirates out and the Bulgarian pirates drunk. They have no business moving out into the Aegean or as far as the Caribbean for that matter.
The Black Sea fleet would be hindered and confined if the Bosphorus were closed to them. But harassed? By whom? And with what?
When the Black Sea fleet is confined to the Black Sea by Turkey, won't it be analogous to Smaug being cramped with his horde in Erebor, the Kingdom under the Mountain?
Don't be surprised if Russia doesn't blockade the mouth of the Dardanelles and examine all shipping into the Black Seas for war like devices.
Blockading all Turkish vessels from entering and passing through the Straits and blockading all cruise ships from disembarking their passengers at the Port of Istanbul to spend money there.
Finally, when the Turkish blockade goes into force, there will be more submarines in the eastern Mediterranean than people living in Beijing.
2) about that 250 year lease. Will you take a 215 year lease? Or a180 year one? Isn't Putin developing these two ports as we speak? Wisely Russia is not advertising this development.
3) Russia's real loss by Turkey's blockade of their Straits is in the inconvenience to Russian imports and, to a lesser degree, its exports. An inconvenience of shipping time but not shipping fuel, given today's glut of crude.
Keep up the good work.
1) They have as much business going into the Aegean as anyone else.
2) Harassment is when small, petty nations living on past glories send their warships into the Black Sea to provoke and to engage in psychological exercises intended to measure the Russian response. Over and over and over again. But the very same nations would whinge and moan and express their outrage at the UN if Russia continually harassed UK vessels, right up the Bristol Channel for example, or the Firth of Forth.
http://tinyurl.com/jrmzpsq
3) Anything over 150 years is fine by me. ;-)
1) then they should call themselves 'The sometime Black Sea fleet, the sometime Club Sappho'.
2) Harassment is when ships of hostile nations cruise along side your vessels playing "The Ramones" 24/7.
3) It's a deal. Where do I sign?
They were testing the Russians to see how close they could get to them. Then they will have ISIS do it next with a boat loaded full of explosives to sink the russian ship.
wow, ...Putin only wanted crimea as a staging ground for the real prize of taking "south crimea" better known as istanbul, points west, and the bosphorus. ...finally russia extends all the way to the Med. make sense now... why he is in with iranians and syrians, effectively surrounding turkey. never fear, final friendly neighbor greece will come to turkey's aid. wow again.
Turkey is already surrounded by Russian warships it's matter of time for Turkey becomes radioactive wasted-land.
why did russia not changed its economy system yet
if they make themself depend on selling peanut butter to gay-europe it will not turn out good anyway
i suggest that they should drop relations with homosexual-eu and change their economy to be independent from dollar and euro
trying to be friends with europe is like trying to be friends with a heroin addict in his final days
europes economy is based on muslim immigrations, printed paper, being fag and fresh air
everything european leaders touch with their hands, turns into a rainbow - and then it disappears
Erdogan must be expecting to be assassinated. How long before the military decide to rid themselves of him ? Turkey could be dismembered and noone would really care, the Greeks would be ecstatic and it wuld not take much to spark internal upheaval
Russians were wrong to shoot. What they should have done is come right up alongside and ask the fishing boat what the fuck they thought they were doing, and how did they feel about the relative levels of firepower? Laughing hysterically all the while of course. Then post video of Turkish captain shitting himself.
and what if vessel is loaded with explosives, genius???
OK well if that one doesn't work they could still have fun by running around on deck with loud announcements about anti-ship live firing stations.
Or maybe defuse hostilities and improve bi-cultural relations by talking on radio amusing story about Turkish guy who got dick stuck in goat?
There was no mention of the third ship employing the EMP beam that was trying to get this whole thing started.
I think it's time Russia sends some missiles to N.Iraq, express delivery.
Yemeni down Saudi recon drone as well as an F-16, great stuff: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1768943
Yemen take no shit. That is also 7 gay Saudi ships sunk as well.
The Houthis have sunk at least 9 Saudi Arabian Vessels in Yemeni waters. Google it and you will find it. Also, if you Google you will see GCC countries have been losing a lot of chaps there lately. Now the Saudis have hired Academi to bring in planeloads of South American mercenaries...
The Yemenis are very tough people. Perhaps even tougher than Afghanis because they have more pride. Alexander the Great visited Yemen once. Felix Arabia. Place used to be full of Gingerbread houses and women doused in rose water just after Christ was born.
Now, it is a shit hole. It was a shithole when I was there a few years ago and I shudder to think of what the Movenpick looks like these days.
Some of you armchair Zerohedgers need to get the fuck out more. I mean seriously. Until you have met some of these people and seen their sheer strength of will you will never understand them and will always underestimate them.
Damn. The count keeps growing. It was just a few days ago that it was about 5 ships. I assume they are smaller ships but you are right about the Yemenis. More than a few people said the Saudis were insane to go into Yemen because these people are tough. They are poor, they have nothing but their pride and bravery,
Quite the opposite, some of these have been French made war ships, not so small.
How big?
I have seen similar to this, but with a helicopter pad on the back, but they have destroyed a few this size, these are missile ships, and were firing into the city, so this is their payback.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/11/432918/Yemen-Saudi-warship-Bab-a...
and here: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1768186
Hihihihihihi.. oh so funny!
That trawler captain must shitted in his pants.
I actually think Russian Navy are "too soft". My navy standard practiced (to smuggler boats runs from singapore/malaysia coast using 4x800-1500HP boats engines) to warn vessel try to enter our country 12nm? By shooting overboard using (bofor's) 57mm canon. If they still on course? Then sinked it using that same canon's. Nice video for YT.
So.. i hope that turkey's fishing ship learnt his lessons.
Hihihihihi...
You are naive if you think that Turkish vessel was a simple commercial trawler.
It was there for a reason, to see what the response would be.
And the response was also carefully calculated.
It is all a big game of chess.
Pity we are the pawns, twas ever thus.
I agree things are serious between Turkey and Russia but......
Example. My Cousin, a nuclear engineer officer on the USA Philadelphia relayed a story of the Sub surfacing and hitting a Turkish Freighter in the Eastern MED. Media blackout, never went mainstream. The Boat/Philly came back to NH Portsmouth for repairs. Not common knowledge, but probably happens more than we guess.
This happened approx 2007-08 if memory serves me, the Pat's were playing Giants in Super Bowl. I worked a second job in Portsmouth at the time.
Great... we have Pee Wee Herman as Commander in Chief vs Vlad the Impaler... Pee Wee, along with his partially retarded muslim brother Bluto Brennan are desperate for a war to divert attention from a collapsing US economy...
I doubt that this ends well.
The entire US Govt, media etc is totally corrupt top to bottom. The American "men" are cowards cheering on their Trayvon thug and KJameis the rapist quarterbacks on.
Dumb white males cheering on the genocide of whites by zios.
The mayor of SStambul should visit Hiroshima's former mayor if he is still alive and have some experience shared.
Vlad the Destroyer, metaphorically having had his nose broken by an American F16, is now swinging at shadows and rusty Turkish vessels.
It must gall the Russians that their worst fears - the proven superiority of American military hardware - have come true. But let's be candid. How much innovation was a failed Soviet state capable of, anyway? :-)
You mean like this superior tech ? Hahahahahaha
Sputnik news: F-35, software problems, bet they still not fixed.
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150313/1019429096.html
Medium News: F’d: How the world got stuck with the World’s worst new combat aircraft.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/fd-how-the-u-s-and-its-allies-got-stuck-with-the-worlds-worst-new-warplane-5c95d45f86a5
Littoral Combat Ship Will Be Modified, If Not Replaced
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2014/August/Pages/LittoralCombatShipWillBeModifiedIfNotReplaced.aspx
Can the Navy's $12 Billion Stealth Destroyer Stay Afloat?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/22/can-the-navy-s-12-billion-stealth-destroyer-stay-afloat.html
LA Times: The Pentagon's $10 billion radar doesn't work
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.at/2015/04/la-times-pentagons-10-billion-radar.html
DOT&E Report: The F-35 Is Not Ready for IOC and Won't Be Any Time Soon
http://www.pogo.org/our-work/straus-military-reform-project/weapons/2015/not-ready-for-prime-time.html
Delivery of Troubled Zumwalt Stealth Destroyers Delayed for US Navy
http://sputniknews.com/news/20150311/1019322119.html#ixzz3hMaZuxHS
I do not trust Globalists -- especially when playing Lame Duck or Possum.
It's called The Sucker play.
And the latest story, the 'US Milwaukee' ship had steel pieces in the oil filters and engine, had to be towed back to Virginia. It is a month since its launch. That sounds real serious, they can throw that engine away, they must of made it with stealth tin foil.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.at/2015/12/newest-us-warship-breaks-down-has...
The software for the F-35's gun will probably be ready in 2019. My guess is all Indian H 1b programmers.
The Russians have arguably some of the best if not the best programmers in the world.
The Pentagram's weapons procurement is basically just total fraud. It has been that way since their genocidal US Civil War run by the banksters to loot the south.
Serious question: are you one of the Yomutti / alphahammer collective or another one of the Latvians?
Using the shooting down of the SU24 as an example to bash Russia's military capability is stupid. I could go into a significantly detailed account of all the reasons why, but that is not worth my time and won't change the course of world events. What I will say is this:
The U.S. Is the only thing keeping NATO afloat, and the U.S. Military is broken. I know this because I was raised in the U.S. Military, served multiple combat tours and have many friends still in SF and at the Pentagon. Hard knock vets are being pushed out. 6K vets commit suicide every year and many struggle with what they experienced in Iraq and the Stan. Think long and hard about how spoiled Americans would fair in a real war, the likes of which we have never truly seen. Even WWII doesn't count, as the U.S., as usual, entered late in the game after the Soviets and Chinese did the heavy lifting. Keep trolling, just remember, when the American empire crumbles, the Baltics and Ukraine will be little more than a speed bump to Russia.
DPR or Donetsk People's Republic, in eastern Ukraine but now really NovoRussia, could probably beat any army in NATO except maybe the Poles, Germany (destroyed now due to Islam) and the UK (also destroy by zio's flooding Islamics in).
DPR mainly has weapons the Ukrainian Army left on the battlefield. They repaired and refurbished all of them. Meanwhile, any weapons Kiev had, they try to steal and then sell. The pathetic Cameron zio UK govt gave Kiev useless Saxon armored cars. The dual shit-i-zen zoligarchs in Kiev tried to stela them and sell them.
The hapless Ukie army took them on the road and crashed two into each other and one driver died. Total junk.
For the poster Cillectivism - sorry no tears for your buddies in the Pentagram, SF or the military. They have done nothing to defend the US Constuitution from the takeover by the zios.
I heard loads of GI shitheads in the military (brainwashed officers and enliisted) wax on and on about how great the IDF is with their army and air force. Hezbollah kicked their asses in 2000 and 2006 in Lebanon.
These dopes want to give their life to amazingly corrupt Uncle Sham or Scholomo? They must not respect their own lives or care about their families. The Framers of the Constuitution wanted a militia not a standing army.
Russia's Shkval Rocket Torpedo is 3 to 4 Times Faster than Anything Else...
http://www.tldm.org/News22/RussiasShkvalRocketTorpedoIs3To4TimesFasterTh...
http://news.usni.org/2014/10/28/u-s-navy-impressed-new-russian-attack-boat ( Project 885 )
Project 955, or Borei class
http://www.military-today.com/navy/borei_class.htm
Mil propaganda - arms industry porn Warning - but still...
https://www.rt.com/news/stealth-submarine-russia-novorossiysk-451/
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/5-russian-nuclear-weapons-war-the-we...
I prefer "back channels" to war. - Scrap
Think of it like a lot of trains running on parallel tracks... all traveling in the same direction, with goals that line up for now. In future maybe goals will diverge as said trains no longer run in parallel.
Turkey, NeoCon U.S., Israel, Qatar, Saudi all have agendas that converge. Their trains are running in the same direction.
Turkey wants a new Sunni Caliphate. They feel that their religion and their country is big Kahuna in the region. But, in reality, once Islam takes hold in a country, said country can no longer produce and compete. It no longer will advance, but instead will regress. In other words, sense of superiority inculcated by their theopolitical religion and history, is negated by facts on the ground.
Deep inside Islamist Turk brain is seething hatred for the Kaffir, because the Kaffir is outperforming Dar al Islam. The kaffir must be removed, as he is a continuous and ongoing irritation reminding them of the falsity of Islamic superiority. Also, political components of Islamic doctrine state that it is a goal to supress, convert, or remove kaffirs. So, agressive supremacist behavior is sanctioned by their "books."
Those regions that especially draw Ire of Islamicists, are those that have successfully resisted Dar al harb.
http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicextremism/a/daralharb.htm
Constantiople, now Istanbul - used to be Orthodox Christian.
Greece and Russia also were/are Orthodox and have not fallen. The Orthodox, especially of Russia, have rencent antibodies to prevent further Jewish Bolshveik type incursions. They've also shut down Takfiri Chechen's and have proclaimed Russia an Orthodox civilization. Orthodox are both Jew wise and Takfiri wise... they are on to the game aned aware of how these constructs want to undo their Christian civiization.
Russia's painful Communist/Bolsheveik history has created new awareness and conditions that can resist both Islam and Zion. Zion controlled west has only just now grasped the significance of Russia (and China) advancements of the last 15 years.
At some level, the Turks must know that it is over for them and their dreams of a Caliphate. This is their last opportunity, their last gasp.
To fully illustrate how Orthodoxy is a conscious pillar of Russian Civilization: Russian defense minister crosses himself during may-day parades.
http://thesaker.is/something-truly-amazing-happened-today/
Russian/Chinese/Shia Crescent/French? alliance is more durable than the loose Western alliance. Western alliance is one of convenience and based on lies.
Russian/Chinese/Shia/ and now French alliance is one of defense against an existential threat.
Remove KEBAB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSDb8pD6sno
Chinese training for remove kebab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOECyf3_zTg
French is political show for home audience, are part of problem in real
expect French double face and exit
+1. I hope you're right, Mefo.
Speaking of Mefo Bills, as I've stated before... When will Greece bring out Mefo Bills and tell the EU/Euro to 'FOAD!' ? Not till they "grow a pair", of course. Which does not seem anytime soon.
ONCE all the Politicians 300 of them, plus the President, are at one end of a rope in CENTRAL SQUARE of Athens, like Syntagma Square or Omonoia Square. Then and only then, can your wish come true.
I think you 3 are onto something, at least socially.
Mefo, like your comments, keep em coming.
We all have a part.
Yes Mefo is a new favorite for me like Paveway IV, Voladav, Burton and a few others.
I am so sick of this endless war shit.
+1 Mefo - good post.
The Russians know and Orthodox Christianity may still save Western Europe. The Greeks need to wake up and the Poles need to get smarter and realize ZATO is not the way.
Bolshevism (zios) was an evil that murdered 25+ million Russians. They need to never forget.
The USA is a joke. I read people on Free Republic (supposedly conservative web site) pimping for Bibi then Bibi said Trump was wrong about Islam. How many Syrian and Islamic refugees is Israel taking? Oh just the Al Qeada and ISIS wounded. These idiots on Free Republic usually bash Putin, love Star Wars and are as stupid as the evil lefties on Huff Po.
Most of the conservative media caters to the U.S. Baby boomers, who have been brainwashed about the Russians for decades. More libertarian and anarchist leaning sites tend to lean more favorably towards Russia. The conservatives embrace 9-11 as their gospel, Israel as the chosen ones and Bibi ad their king.
They should have sink it. That would be for SU-27. fair is fair
SU 24M wasn't it?
Actually you right, it was SU-24 not SU-27.
Show me the money.
Show me the naval blockade.
500kph unstoppable torpedo don't need air superiority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
I remember hearing about that weapon some years ago. Absolutely amazing technology. Super-cavitating or hyper-cavitating, wasn't it?
"here you go. the Russian super-cavitating torpedo"
Thanks. Very clever idea. Couldn't believe my ears when my friend told me how it worked.
I understand the latest v3 of the VA-111 Shkval supercavitating torpedo travels at up to 350mph underwater. I can't imagine many vessels could avoid one of them...
It is 6,000 f***king pounds! It is like a very big pickup truck or HumVee in weight hitting a ship at 350 mph at the waterline.
Wow. Crazy.
Fucking Turks have watched "From Russia with Love" one too many times.
"Yes old boy"
Thinking about Robert Shaw (Irishman) playing the tough Russian agent pretending to be a Bond Mi6 collegue on the train. Bond outs him because he keeps saying things like "old boy" too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k_LOWBvWCw
I've said a long time once the filthy Turks cut the Bosporus river then you put Mr. Putin between a rock and a hard place.. My money still with Russia because Turkey is surrounded by people/nations that hate them.. Greece,Syria,Iran,Armenia,Iraq Russia, and the Kurds living inside turkey!! NATO is pressured by the Rothchilds to start this war! But from the NATO countries deep down the people/ NOT PUPPETS or rooting for Russia to prevail!
As an American GO PUTIN!!!
Vlad's bleeding rubles in Syria and then Iraq...oil's collapsed from $100+ to $30+ and headed lower...western funding for Russia's misadventures has been cut off. It'll be interesting to see how long 'Vlad the malinky' can hang on with oil at these previously unimagined - to Putin, at least - levels and with Russia's ever-increasing military expenditures.
At some point ordinary Russians prefer bread on their tables to international wars.
Russia tucked its tail and bolted from Afghanistan after 8 years of unmitigated failure - even when it had the entire Soviet empire to draw upon. Here, all it has is the demographically and geographically shrunk Russian empire. What was 150 million people in 1991 has shrunk to 142 million a quarter century later as those that had a way out left for a better life elsewhere. Putin is left to bribe ordinary citizens who produce children with additional ruble payments, annoint couples having 3+ children patriotic medals, etc. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.
Meanwhile, whereas a couple of years ago the ruble sat at ~30/dollar, but it's over 70/dollar now. Same story with the Euro. What will it be in 2020? 200/dollar or worse?
Heck, at this rate, Vlad himself may swallow his pride and apply for a fiance visa.
Are you an instructor at the DOD's new Troll Defense School? That's good. Pushy but not stupid. Still..
1. Russia and funding - internally, spending on war will create more demand for Rubles. Russia is going to start selling more oil for Rubles. This will piss of the US but bodes well for Ruble. I suspect if push comes to shove Russia will take the tricks of the US Fed Reserve but I don't think it will come to that. Russians understand that they are facing another crisis - worse than the Bolsheviks - and with the Internet that covers the wide expanse of all 14 fucking time zones in Russia, you can bet all Russians are switched on these days.
2. Afghanistan - I think Russia spent less money in 8 years of Afghanistan than the US did in it's first decade in Afghanistan. The US will be there for a while yet so maybe you get your tax token's worth...
3. US population growth = immigration. You're own throat is being slit with dental floss and you don't even know it.
4. If Iraq is the last great oil patch, then Russia is the last great natural resources bank - forests in Sibera that are endless, lakes unseen by man, mountains never visited by a person - unlike the US which is a desert waste land of strip malls, walmarts and used car lots.
No mate, Russia is the last man standing against the New World Order. Some people like freedom. Some people like eating Shit On a Shingle.
I like eating Shit On a Shingle.
http://www.amishfoods.com/dried-beef
This is the best period.
Freedom baby!
All developing nations are facing the same demographic crisis. Most powerful governments, China and U.S. Included, run the risk of rebellion. Please, use some original data if you are going to bash Russia.
I wish they bann you for your rubbish talk.
And at some point Americans will prefer bread on the table rather than war. Remind me again, how many years out of total American history has the US not been at war with someone?
But our idiot won the Nobel Peace prize for keeping Bush's two wars going, and starting (at least) three others.
Plus our idiot just flew Airforce One (which runs on jet fuel) and a 300 person cheerleading entourage (on four other jets), plus armored limo (which runs on gasoline), plus four armored helicopters (jet fuel), plus 400 secret service agents and their porn collection (more jets running on more jet fuel) -- to Paris to discuss climate fraud and higher taxes.
The 300 person entourage and 400 secret service agents (and their porn stash) stayed in a luxury hotel (paid for by taxpayers). The hotel is heated / cooled by fossil fuels, or since its France, nuclear power. They ate 5-star Michelin food, cooked over... more fossil fuel. Al Gore flew in his own private jet (more jet fuel), bought with the loot from selling his TV channel of lies to the oil sheiks of Qatar.
And that was just the fraudsters from the USA. a total of 160 countries sent delegates to burn fossil fuels and party at the taxpayers expense for almost two weeks.
Meanwhile, US taxpayers worried they would be murdered by the same terrorists that Obama claimed he defeated several years ago.
TURKEY- Is just another Muslim country that takes its orders from the USA.
The leadership are stooges and have sold out to the USA in order to commit their criminal acts.
I thought the Turkish people were smarter than that to allow such a regime to run their lives. It is very disappointing.
I disagree. Turkey is like a scorpio. It will sting anybod, because that is its nature.
Corret.it has a jewish(Sabbatean) haert.
That's what the rest of the world thinks about Americans. How could you all have gone down the road you did? Idiots!
Wow! That is one OLD destroyer! I seem to recall the Soviet Navy was running those all the way back when I was in the Navy. Never expected to find them still in commission! One thing few people realize, is that Ukraine was the major ship building region for the Soviet Navy. The Black Sea and Crimean ports sported large naval shipyards build Air Craft Carriers down to missile boats. After the fall of USSR, there was little money to build ships, but some contracts continued with the new Ukrainian Ship Yards. Up till the coup, Ukrainian industry still supplied many things to the Russian Federation military and commercial shipping and air forces. That is over now, with many large high tech firms having fired everyone, sometimes as many as 20K workers and closed up. NATO needs nothing from Ukraine, and the RF is working fast to build substitute industries in it's own cities and ports to meet the need. The coup cost over 200,000 workers in shipyards, aviation and high tech electronics and aireo engines their jobs.
My (paid for) 97 Corolla still runs like a charm too.
The Russians can probably retrofit things and even use smaller ships like those littoral (small) ships, corvettes and destroyers in the Caspian.
They can be outfitted with Kalibr M anti-ship missiles.The anti-ship version of the Kalibr comes in at Mach 2.9 before it hits the ship.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-new...
They can also put them on freighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbUU_9bOcnM
Turkish fishing boats used to violate often Bulgarias Black sea waters, until the border patrol started arresting them. ... As is typical for Turks they like to show they are strong even when guilty of violating the law, in one ocasion a Rukish fisherman attacked the border patrol officer with a stick resisting arrest, and unfortunately for him the officer shot him dead.
I have not heard since then any stories of Turks violating Bulgaria's borders at sea.
"[...] one ocasion a Rukish fisherman attacked the border patrol officer with a stick resisting arrest, and unfortunately for him the officer shot him dead."
I wonder if he screamed "anti-semitic" at the border patrol officer before he was shot dead?
He probably thought, he was from the superior nation of Turkey and that no one can put a finger on him, no matter what he does. His foolishness, arrogance, disrespect and even an assault on an officer costed him his life.
Old joke:
A Russian walks in a club in Germany, wearing a t-shirt with "Turks have three problems" printed on it.
Immediately, a Turk comes up and starts talking tough to the Russian, "What's up with you? Looking for trouble?"
The Russian calmly answers, "See, that is your first problem, you always behave aggressively and blow things out of proportion."
After a while, the Russian leaves the club, but a group of Turks waylay and threaten him, "We're gonna make you pay for what you said in the club."
The Russian answers calmly, "Well, that's your second problem - you can't settle your issues on your own and always call your buddies for help."
"What did you say?" the Turks asked, pulling knives.
"And that is your third problem - you always bring knives to a gunfight." said the Russian in calm voice.
Sounds right to me.
+1000
Russians feel threatened and provoked by fishing vessel?? This is so wonderful lol
Yeah... and the USS Cole had a large hole
blown in it by a runabout...
The header is wrong for this story. The scare quotes should be aroung "to avoid collision".
Enough foreplay, put these shitskins in the dirt.
RT exposed in leaked video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQQwBfux9i0
shame on you potato boy
don't you know this is RT's internet fan club
Gee man, relax. That video is by RT. They're being sarcastic.
Russia seems to have launched one bad-ass PR dept in just the last two months.
Aerial filming of precision strikes, computer graphics of cruise missile flight from the Caspian, a bombshell exposé on the Erdogan crime syndicate, the sharp tongue of Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova, and now a wicked sense of humor at RT.
Russian warships are always welcomed in Greece by the Greek people.
Remembering the 2000 USS Cole terrorist attack while docked
by a small boat loaded with explosives that killed 17 Americans
and blew a60 foot hole in the US destroyer,
Russia's response was reasonable and appropriate,
and more than restrained.
As the entire world knows, Putinists ALWAYS lie. He is just so desperate to stay in power, and must distract his fans from the devastation that will block Russia's future for decades after Putin is gone!