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Ron Paul: "If You Want Security, Pursue Liberty"
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,
Judging by his prime-time speech last week, the final year of Barack Obama’s presidency will be marked by increased militarism abroad and authoritarianism at home. The centerpiece of the president’s speech was his demand for a new law forbidding anyone on the federal government’s terrorist watch list from purchasing a firearm. There has never been a mass shooter who was on the terrorist watch list, so this proposal will not increase security. However, it will decrease liberty.
Federal officials can have an American citizen placed on the terrorist watch list based solely on their suspicions that the individual might be involved in terrorist activity. Individuals placed on the list are not informed that they have been labeled as suspected terrorists, much less given an opportunity to challenge that designation, until a Transportation Security Administration agent stops them from boarding a plane.
Individuals can be placed on the list if their Facebook or Twitter posts seem “suspicious” to a federal agent. You can also be placed on the list if your behavior somehow suggests that you are a “representative” of a terrorist group (even if you have no associations with any terrorist organizations). Individuals can even be put on the list because the FBI wants to interview them about friends or family members!
Thousands of Americans, including several members of Congress and many employees of the Department of Homeland Security, have been mistakenly placed on the terrorist watch list. Some Americans are placed on the list because they happen to have the same names as terrorist suspects. Those mistakenly placed on the terrorist watch list must go through a lengthy “redress” process to clear their names.
It is likely that some Americans are on the list solely because of their political views and activities. Anyone who doubts this should consider the long history of federal agencies, such as the IRS and the FBI, using their power to harass political movements that challenge the status quo. Are the American people really so desperate for the illusion of security that they will support a law that results in some Americans losing their Second Amendment rights because of a bureaucratic error or because of their political beliefs?
President Obama is also preparing an executive order expanding the federal background check system. Expanding background checks will not keep guns out of the hands of criminals or terrorists. However, it will make obtaining a firearm more difficult for those needing, for example, to defend themselves against abusive spouses.
Sadly, many who understand that new gun control laws will leave us less free and less safe support expanding the surveillance state. Like those promoting gun control, people calling for expanded surveillance do not let facts deter their efforts to take more of our liberties. There is no evidence that mass surveillance has prevented even one terrorist attack.
France’s mass surveillance system is much more widespread and intrusive than ours. Yet it failed to prevent the recent attacks. France’s gun control laws, which are much more restrictive than ours, not only failed to keep guns out of the hands of their attackers, they left victims defenseless. It is thus amazing that many American politicians want to make us more like France by taking away our Second and Fourth Amendment rights.
Expanding government power will not increase our safety; it will only diminish our freedom. Americans will have neither liberty nor security until they abandon the fantasy that the US government can provide economic security, personal security, and global security.
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What Liberty?
From Russia with love. http://hedgeaccordingly.com/2015/09/from-russia-with-love-edward-snowden...
"Please! Please! For the love of God, take my liberty and keep me safe!"
—Retarded Patrick Henry
Dr. Paul is too optimistic...This country can't take another year of Barry the CIA douche-bag. He needs to be lawfully removed from office.
You mean he wasn't organically elected off the streets of Chicago, having been a "community organizer" to Congress to President, in a matter or mere months? You mean to say we didn't really elect this guy and bypass all the Neocon control over every faucet of our lives? You mean they WANTED him in office? You mean he was a SETUP? A stooge? I am shocked!
Now take it easy Billy. There is probably more... like his 'wife' Michelle may be a Tranny and the cut out kids may really belong to convicted felon Jesse Jackson jr. ... smelling salts please...
...and it gets worse: Barry is planning to undergo a sex-change operation and change his name, then run again as a proper 'murikan. I hear a 'rebirthing' expert is in there somewhere; something about birth certificates or somesuch.
Heh, ahh...why am I not laughing?
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Anyone that can figure him (Barry) out is way smarter than me. He was put in office by billionaire Jews. He supports Muslims of all kinds. What gives with this guy.
Israel has been too quiet. What are they up to? WW2 ships with cargo were unloaded and reloaded on German ships on a peninsula in what is now Israel by Jewish commandos. The quietness is uncanny....something is going on. ISIS has to be involved.
"WW2 ships with cargo were unloaded and reloaded on German ships on a peninsula in what is now Israel by Jewish commandos"
More thread please. When? Sources?
Oh to hear a judge (or other person with the commensurate authority) say to boy...goodbye boy, you're outta here/dismissed/adios/don't let the door hit ya/see ya/take a hike/getthef*ckouttahere/take a long walk walk off a short pier/get your house in order (not the Hawaii one given you by what's her name in Chicago--oh, Penny Pritzker that's it)/
and own and own I could go....
Where's that stinking time machine when I need it?
Here to represent - the voice of reason.
Why?
Just out of curiousity, is the "no-fly list" published anywhere?
Seems to me that keeping a secret list that you can be put on arbitrarily by some nameless party official, maybe because you happened to piss off some other unnamed official, has nothing at all to do with keeping anyone safe except the nazi squad sent to put you in some nameless prison in some secret location.
so much for the "land of the free"
Since he was unlawfully elected in the first place. He isn't even the Prezidint
Famous last words, 'I don't care, I have nothing to hide'
Apathy murdered liberty a while back. The crowd today has no idea what freedom means as they follow dictates issued by corporations and beaurocrats to the letter as it affords them liesure and conveniance, stuff they prefer to freedom.
I don't want security. I want these Pure Evil Psychopath Scum Fucks Arrested, Tried, Convicted & Executed. Then, & only then will the World have "Security."
I don't follow dictates issued by corporations or bureaucrats, that's probably why I'm sleeping on the floor at my buddy's place. Lol I just read, play disc golf, fuck around in the woods with amateur bushcraft exercises, build and ride bikes, and smoke lots of pot. I've gotten myself on food stamps and obongoshitfone programs and yea the free shit army is actually a good place to be. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, it'll only hasten the collapse.
What has just passed for democracy in France should be enough to open up peoples eyes......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/the-fix-is-in-franc...
More like how exactly do we pursue liberty
Not sure why he writes this stuff anymore. I mean, we here at ZH know it's all true, so it's preaching to the choir, pretty much.
The people that make policy don't care, and don't listen. Neither do their whores in the MSM.
So why keep writing it?
To piss some people off. You know who. And share with the Millenials - best done at their lowest hour or greatest disappointment.
I disagree. There are new casual readers everyday on this site alone.
Imagine if some of trump's writers started reading this stuff. (Since trump has been covered here lately for example)
I wonder what Trump would think of a Native American vice president? Wouldn't that stir the pot?
The White Housenigger, combined with the stooge media, are attempting to pretend there that the millions of Americans who will die before giving up their firearms simply don't exist or don't matter. A vote means nothing when the minority refuse to recognize the vote's ramifications. If the conflict pivots on firearms, then let it be settled by firearms.
They still let me fly, cause they know I'm just an aging, cranky, dissident wise-ass, who is otherwise harmless and well-meaning, and with a family to look after. There's gotta be millions like me. Do you resemble my remarks?
No...but I like your posts.
i like kirk's posts too, but the new avatar .... mmmm, think i liked the old one better
Kirk.... Don't kid yourself they plan to give you and most of the rest of us a free Choo-Choo ride to the civilian inmate labor camp. In fact the useful idiot commies are peeing in their pants at the prospect of physically lording over us.
If even 1% of those 300 million guns comes out, and just a few of those they would use to rule over us decide they have a conscience, this shit will end before it gets started. Even with drones and tanks and foreign troops. I've been to the gun range a few times lately, and I don't see anyone there smiling or laughing any more. Definitely a sense of purpose permeating the atmosphere...
I suspect that the plan would, be to put all people with firearms on the terrorist watch list. Mission complete, except for the confiscation.
The Audacity of My Legacy: The Containment of Americans
~ Sotero Hussein
"Mendacity," by Bath House Barry
"Lubricity", by Reggie Love.
"How to tie Liberty Knots", by Kralizec
Only one footnote - http://www.survivalworld.com/knots/hangmans-knot.html#.VnAclP6WH-A
You can post all you want about murder and terror so long as you are Christian and it is against anyone else, they won't throw you on a list.
Bullshit. We need to confiscate all guns and double down on DHS. At the very least we need to double the size of Fedgov, then and only then will we be "safe".
Jeezz....Dripping with sarcasm....I thought it was so fucking over the top it would be obvious.....apparently not.
Now why isn't that a Trump speech? If Ron had 5 billion I bet he might have won.
I miss you already Ron.
Ron
Why did you and your fellow members of Congress not bring those responsible for 9/11 to trial before we got to this place?
If only you had had the courage of Paul Wellstone!
You don't suppose the 1999 JFK Jr. nosedive into the Atlantic was *airplane sabotage* as well, do you?
A truckload of rifles behind every blade of grass.
Never in the brief history of modern facist police states have the people been armed such as present day America.
The South will rise again. Hopefully in the North.
https://www.rt.com/news/325929-islamic-coalition-terrorism-saudi/
The Saudi Arabians are going to save us...relax.
Obama's speech distilled: I don't like you. I want to take your guns and have the government, under my direct guidance, run every facet of your life. I'm not serious about fighting terrorism. I like terrorism. It helps me achieve my goals of which you have no input. Any questions? If you have any, I won't answer truthfully anyway. Good night.
When things are bad, that's good. V. I. Lenin
Omojo likes chaos, just like his idol.
“A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.”
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
"I'm on my own side now" -Jason Bourne-
"Americans will have neither liberty nor security until they abandon the fantasy that the US government can provide economic security, personal security, and global security."
and all that that entails...
Bravo yet again, Ron Paul.
Dr Ron Paul,
Tell your son not to kiss the zionists, Israhell, the fiefdom of Ratchild led City of London, the Crown.
I understand your problem, nicey newbie. I dislike it. 1776 and all that...
Your sort appease. I am not pleased. And take your Tramp with you. Two sides of the same shekel, BIS BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5mmFPyDK_8
I am fed up with the lies and usury told by your sort.
The blood and treasure of North and South believed the lies of the moneychangers who make permanent war, while your sort profit most, talk most, and make permanent war.
Merry Christmas.
Now, Fuck off, bureauRAt.
You and your sort benefited from the USA, and now serve a foreign power, bribing or blackmailing you. CONgress.
As Lord Almighty is my witness, the USA will get rid of the hateful CONgress, beholden to the City of London moneychangers, and its pet fiefdom, genocidal Israhell.
"Federal officials can have an American citizen placed on the terrorist watch list based solely on their suspicions that the individual might be involved in terrorist activity"
In fact, nobody outside of secret government knows what secret regulations may prescribe because they are based on secret laws published only in secret. It isn't impossible these regulations may require anyone to be put on the "terrorist" list who wears purple socks. Or expresses an admiration of Dalmations. Or drives a Japanese auto. The only thing certain is that power will always be abused.
This is the height of non-accountability by government to the people. All in supposed defense of "our way of life", which plainly is no longer defensible.
Repugnants and Demoncraps voted for the Patriot Act and the NDAA. That is all we need to know about their treachery.
Their war on drugs, poverty and crime worked out so well. Their war on guns will be no more successful. Based on the numbers of the Revolution, one third of the nation will not comply with the confiscation. Three percent will violently resist. I expect that roughly 9 million Americans will kill the man or woman who comes to confiscate their weapons. After this flash mob responds to the confiscation efforts the real civil war will get underway. This is madness pushed by minority that wants to destroy the nation.
My compatriot.
3% fought, and the rest stayed out of the way or helped supply lines. Some took the side of the Crown, as CONgress does now.
We don't want war, but we do despise tyrants and bureuRats, beholden to the City of London/Rothschilds, and their permanent wars, using the USA as its shield, sword and Treasury for its sand pit fiefdom Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIaYoWCPkE
Oh, Holy Night.
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/04/tyrants-beware-4th-ge...
A critical mass of people will resist, just give it time. Between 9-10M people in the streets would be a shot across the bow of TPTB.
They'll probably read this article, conclude it's anti-government, and put Ron Paul's name on the list.
You know what's hilarious? Ron Paul flies around in his own airplane. So, if he did want to harm someone via airplane, being on the TSA list makes that easier.
Furthermore, anyone can take private flights or rent private aircraft without TSA scrutiny or molestation. Government and corporate executives would never let the government put them through TSA molestation, and this is the easy way for them and anyone else to avoid TSA mistreatment when traveling.
The notion that TSA prevents terrorism is OBVIOUSLY FALSE.
The Whole 'War on Terror' is a FRAUD -- Harley Schlanger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5gX5yJdEJU (36:53)
(~@25:44) Marko Rubio says that - Putin is a gangster in a criminal country.
"The pot calling the kettle black"
Specifically >>>
Marco Rubio on world leaders: Vladimir Putin a 'gangster,' Kim Jong Un a 'lunatic'
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/28/politics/marco-rubio-vladimir-putin-ga...
"Russia is governed today by a gangster," Rubio said. "He's basically an organized crime figure who controls a government and a large territory. ... This is a person who kills people because they're his political enemies. If you're a political adversary of Vladimir Putin, you wind up with plutonium in your drink or shot in the street."
He also called Russia one of the top five threats to the United States, saying "we have a gangster running the largest nuclear stockpile in the world."
Any minority who supports this grand scheme of confiscation is championing their own death warrant. First comes the list; then comes the confiscation, and finally comes the genocide. It has played out throughout the 20th century. Bloomberg took off his pc mask some time back and clearly stated that his gun abolition agenda was intended to disarm blacks. Black folks, you have been warned. This agenda is not about making you safer. It is about making you defenseless.
I liked this part of the speach:
Our nation has been at war with these people since al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 Americans on 9/11. In the process, we’ve spent over a decade and nearly two trillion of your hard earned tax dollars, borrowing most of it, so your children’s children will be paying for it, on two pointless wars in two nations, largely against people who live in mud huts, and it has not worked.
And this part:
Meanwhile, at home, we have turned our airports and financial centers into fortresses to ensure the best possible protection for the elites. Our local law enforcement agencies have been handed exceedingly lethal surplus military hardware designed primarily to provide a show of force against any organized resistance to the corporatization of our nation and the world, admittedly while many areas of our nation remain essentially un-policable and violent.
And this part:
For seven years, I’ve confronted this evolving threat each morning in my intelligence briefing. And since the day I took this office I’ve authorized U.S. forces to assassinate all of these leading opposing ideologies abroad precisely because I know how real the danger is. In fact, on any given day we have a small arsenal of un-manned assassination drones used to regularly kill anyone our counter terrorism networks tell us is involved at a management level in any non-western aligned organization. We do not grant these targets any rights to due process of the law that you are entitled to. We just eliminate them.
Some more good stuff here:
Meanwhile, these organizations have conducted less complicated acts of violence against us, taking a cue from our own home grown pharma-laced mass murders that are all to common in our society. As new counter ideology groups grow stronger in the void left by failed states largely orchestrated by our military adventures and incompetence, we face a new challenge. As Commander-in-Chief, I have no greater responsibility then the security of the corporate elites that put food on your table, bring energy for your automobile or the infotainment that sedates you, because the global oligopolies networks rely on the downtrodden people of the planet to deliver your consumer goods as cheaply as possible and we must protect these exploitative networks.
Love the call to action:
Well, here’s what I want you to know; we are the cancer and these counter ideology people are not the cure, they are like the weeds, the survivors of our scorched earth capitalism. Any organization that tries to counter us will be met with a newly formulated strategy to defeat them.
Here’s how: First we know that these people are organized in a part of the world with virtually no industrial capacity. Since they have absolutely no means of production of weapons; no guns, no tanks, not rockets, no mortars, no planes, no submarines etc. we know they are completely spineless without weapons supplied by nations or corporations that do. Since the attacks in Paris, our closest allies – including France, Germany and the UK – have agreed to form a global network to track each and every weapon we find in the hands of our opposition, track down its maker and distributor and shut them both down immediately. In addition, we will work together to ensure no money flows to the opposition from outside their territory – no financial transfers of any kind via sales of oil, or any other commodity, direct transfers or physical money entering or leaving the territory will be allowed which will help us accelerate our effort to destroy their networks.
Second: Instead of creating walls and fences around EU nations to stop human beings fleeing the violence, we will create walls and fences around the territory controlled by our opposition, allowing citizens fleeing the death and destruction out and letting any fool crazy enough to join them in. We will be deploying Special Operations Forces who can man these security efforts and document people coning and going to ensure no resources are entering their territory.
Third: We know, based on the vast number of people fleeing their controlled territory, rational people have no interest in living under the twisted madness that now prevails within the current iteration of counter ideology. Hence, the ultimate outcome, without any direct military intervention, restricting weapon flow and financial means to those people governing this territory would ultimately result in them overseeing a territory of themselves, which would likely resemble a 6th century, impoverished and depraved wasteland, not to far unlike the situation many people stuck behind the Iron Curtain faced in the last century. If that is their vision of modernity, they will be free to live that way, but it is unlikely they will have much willing company. Besides, after a decade of wars against nations with no industrial capacity whatsoever that never the less cost our nation trillions of dollars, we pretty much look like the biggest fools that history has ever known, with nothing to show for our efforts but a huge balance sheet of debt.
This was powerful:
We should not be drawn once more into a long and costly ground war in Iraq or Syria. The strategy that we are using now -- airstrikes, Special Forces, and working with local forces who are fighting to regain control of their own country – is dead in the water and not working. They also know that we no longer have the stomach to occupy foreign lands. Our nation’s obesity and epidemic rise in associated diseases like diabetes springing out from our industrial food supply has turned us into sick guinea pigs. In addition, with nearly a third of our nation regularly taking various cocktails of pharmaceuticals, all of which attempt to or succeed in forcing us into compliance with some kind of esoteric ideology of what is correct and acceptable behavior, had turned many of us into zombies glued to tiny plastic screens unable to deal with any of the kind of reality associated with physical interaction with other human beings of a different ideology or lifestyle, let alone in a hostile war zone.
The means of producing weapons are not a s complicated as some might imagine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4alk5WwdFnI
Ron Paul is same club guy only playing in your emotions.Do research who is who, D. Trump oh give me a break,they are all same,fuckin tired of lies and deception.Why don't we give up this illusion and let to the LORD!
Trump may sell out his base just like Obama sold out his. Nothing wrong with being cynical. It is a bit naïve to think one man or woman is going to solve the structural problems confronting this nation. The political option is still the best option at this point in time. If he can institute a course correction however small it may be then it is worth the effort. Like it or not, we are going to get less government. A bankrupt system cannot continue forever.