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Did Saudi Arabia Just Clear The Way For An Invasion Of Syria And Iraq?
And now, a further turn for the absurd...
While it’s still far from common knowledge among the Western public that Washington’s closest allies in the Mid-East are funding, arming, and otherwise enabling the Sunni extremists (including ISIS) battling for control of Syria and working to destabilize Iraq, the massacre that unfolded earlier this month in San Bernardino has managed to focus some much needed attention on the role Saudi Arabia plays in promoting extremism.
As we noted in the immediate aftermath of the California mass shooting, the fact that Tashfeen Malik spent 25 years in Saudi Arabia living with a father who, according to family members who spoke to Reuters, adopted an increasingly hardline ideology as time went on, underscores the fact that the puritanical, ultra orthodox belief system promoted by the Saudis is poisonous. That’s not a critique of Islam. It’s a critique of Wahhabism and the effect it has on the minds of those who are inculcated by Saudi culture.
Here’s an excerpt from "Saudi Arabia Is Underwriting Terrorism. Let’s Start Making It Pay," by Charles Kenny:
For years since 9/11, U.S. and Western officials have mostly looked the other way at all this ideological support for extremism: Saudi oil was just too important to the global economy, even though many of these Saudi petro-dollars were underwriting repression at home and the growth of Salafist fundamentalism abroad.
This support for radicalism abroad should come as little surprise given that Islamic State is an ideological cousin of Saudi Arabia’s own state-sponsored extremist Wahhabi sect—which the country has spent more than $10 billion to promote worldwide through charitable organizations like the World Assembly of Muslim Youth. The country will continue to export extremism as long as it practices the same policies at home.
More, from "Saudi Arabia: An ISIS That Has Made It," by Kamel Daoud:
Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.
Consider that, and consider the following headline from Reuters which surely qualifies as the most tragically ironic thing you'll read all day: "Saudi Arabia announces 34-state Islamic military alliance against terrorism"
That's right ladies and gentlemen, you no longer have anything to fear from Sunni extremists because the undisputed king of promoting Sunni extremism is on the case. "The countries here mentioned have decided on the formation of a military alliance led by Saudi Arabia to fight terrorism, with a joint operations center based in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations," a statement from state-ruun SPA said.
But it gets better. Much better.
"The countries here mentioned" of course include Turkey and Qatar. Qatar is a well known sponsor of extremist groups battling in Syria. Recall the following from The New York Times (ca. 2014):
Standing at the front of a conference hall in Doha, the visiting sheikh told his audience of wealthy Qataris that to help the battered residents of Syria, they should not bother with donations to humanitarian programs or the Western-backed Free Syrian Army.
“Give your money to the ones who will spend it on jihad, not aid,” implored the sheikh, Hajaj al-Ajmi, recently identified by the United States government as a fund-raiser for Al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate.
Sheikh Ajmi and at least a half-dozen others identified by the United States as private fund-raisers for Al Qaeda’s Syrian franchise operate freely in Doha, often speaking at state-owned mosques and even occasionally appearing on Al Jazeera. The state itself has provided at least some form of assistance — whether sanctuary, media, money or weapons — to the Taliban of Afghanistan, Hamas of Gaza, rebels from Syria, militias in Libya and allies of the Muslim Brotherhood across the region.
Now, however, Qatar is finding itself under withering attack by an unlikely alignment of interests, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Israel, which have all sought to portray it as a godfather to terrorists everywhere. Some in Washington have accused it of directly supporting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — an extremist group so bloodthirsty that Al Qaeda has condemned it — a charge that Western officials, independent analysts and Arab diplomats critical of Qatar all call implausible and unsubstantiated.
As for Turkey, well, we've covered Ankara's connections to ISIS exhaustively, but suffice to say you don't pull in $500 million or more per year in oil sales without a state sponsor and for Bakr al-Baghdadi, that state sponsor looks to be Turkey. And the oil story only scratches the surface of Erdogan's complicity when it comes to aiding and abetting extremism in Syria.
Of course Iran is excluded from the new "coalition." Here's Reuters again:
Shi'ite Muslim Iran, Sunni Saudi Arabia's arch rival for influence in the Arab world, was absent from the states named as participants, as proxy conflicts between the two regional powers rage from Syria to Yemen.
This would be infuriating if it weren't so comically absurd. Obviously Tehran has some blood on its hands when it comes to promoting international terrorism via the Quds and via Hezbollah. However, that pales in comparison to the Saudis role in creating a world view that indocrinates the masses with an ideology that aligns almost perfectly with that espoused by ISIS, al-Qaeda, and their offshoots.
Further, the IRGC and Hezbollah are actually on the ground fighting the same terrorists the Saudis are talking about. So while Riyadh issues press releases, Iran risks its soldiers. Meanwhile, the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen is busy fighting to restore a puppet government (of course Iran is in many ways battling to restore what some might call a puppet of Tehran in Syria, but you get the point).
The obvious question here is this: is this the precursor to Saudi, Qatari, UAE, and (more) Turkish boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq, just as Iraqi Shiite politician Hanan Fatlawi predicted last week? It certainly appears so. Here's a headline that crossed the wires earlier today (from Reuters):
- SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER JUBEIR SAYS TALKS ONGOING WITH REGARD TO SAUDI ARABIA, OTHER GULF STATES SENDING SPECIAL FORCES TO SYRIA
With that in mind, we close with one last quote, this one from 30-year-old deputy crown prince and Defense Minister Mohammed bin Salman: "There will be international coordination with major powers and international organizations ... in terms of operations in Syria and Iraq."
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Jesus, we have allied ourselves with the next Hitler. Great job U.S. political elites! You sure know how to vet people for their values!
How about an invasion of Saudi Arabia?
It would probably do more to quell world terrorism than anything else.
Russian Military Aid in Iraq
TEHRAN (FarsNews)- The Russian Defense Ministry supplied a large cargo of military and arms aid to Iraq as part of the Moscow-Baghdad growing anti-terrorism cooperation.
“A large number of the Russian-made armored vehicles, with impenetrable and highly resistant armor, have arrived in the Iraqi port of Basra," A Russian source said on Tuesday.
"Arrival of the armored vehicles on one hand will strengthen the Iraqi military against the ISIL terrorists' rocket attacks and on the other hand will pave the way for the Russian army men to have safer presence in Iraq for war on terrorism," the source underlined.
It looks like the “Latakia Playbook” is being used now in Iraq by the Russians. ;-)
Looney
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940924000825
Apparently there was a clause in the AUMF that Senators can declare war, cool
This makes it hard to sell my WTI calls.
Decisions Decisions.
Fuck zionist wahabis.
RIPS
Just a new profit center for the MIC.
Remember to make it your business to not get killed for profit.
May cooler heads prevail, May peace triumph. No more of these bs wars and flirting with global suicide.
OBAMA'S OIL WAR IN SYRIA!!!!!!
Where exactly are the jew run media and the "antiwar" protesters?
They are busy trying to disarm Americans.
They are pushing gun control and police fighting now, they don't care about war anymore.
Would Russia nuke Saudi Arabia??
USA didn't need to nuke Japan twice. The Japanese were going to surrend in a matter of weeks. It was just to send a message. Will Russia send a message?
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/2/the_endless_war_grows_obama_sends
The Sunnis and Shia are on a collision course to rule the Islamic state. Russia and America are hoping to divide the spoils of this Islamic war, hoping their side wins.
Western elites, psychopaths, think they can use this chaos to their advantage, to further their NWO. That will blow up in their face and lead to world war III!
The problem is, once Islam unites under one flag the rest of the world will discover just how "peaceful" a religion Islam is. They are bent on world domination and Peace is the last thing on their mind. It is a blood thirsty religion bent on conquest, PERIOD!
Islam is not a peaceful religion. Islamic extremists are following the teachings AND ACTIONS of their founder Muhammad. He failed at everything he tried, until he picked up a sword and began his bloody conquest!
By Richard A. Gabriel
5/17/2007
......The idea of Muhammad as a military man will be new to many. Yet he was a truly great general. In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a great field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary. The inventor of insurgency warfare and history’s first successful practitioner, Muhammad had no military training before he commanded an army in the field.
Muhammad’s intelligence service eventually rivaled that of Byzantium and Persia, especially when it came to political information. He reportedly spent hours devising tactical and political stratagems, and once remarked that “all war is cunning,” reminding modern analysts of Sun Tzu’s dictum, “all war is deception.” In his thinking and application of force Muhammad was a combination of Karl von Clausewitz and Niccolo Machiavelli, for he always employed force in the service of political goals. An astute grand strategist, he used nonmilitary methods (alliance building, political assassination, bribery, religious appeals, mercy, and calculated butchery) to strengthen his long-term position, sometimes even at the expense of short-term military considerations.
Muhammad’s belief in Islam and his own role as the “Messenger of God” revolutionized Arabian warfare and resulted in the creation of the ancient world’s first army motivated by a coherent system of ideological belief. The ideology of holy war (jihad) and martyrdom (shahada) for the faith was transmitted to the West during the wars between Muslims and Christians in Spain and France, where it changed traditional Christian pacifistic thinking on war, brought into being a coterie of Christian warrior saints, and provided the Catholic Church with its ideological justification for the Crusades. Ideology—whether religious or secular—has remained a primary component of military ventures ever since.
tarzan, the shia & sunni are not going to join. iran & SA are never going to become buddies.
You may be right,
But one of them or both of them will prevail and have their caliphate in Syria/Iraq. They are committed to end secular Government in Syria, just as they are doing in Turkey!
Bankers and Industrialists are stirring this pot, they want Assad out of the way. He's a threat to Fiat Money, and he stands in the way of their Wahhabi friend's access to the Mediterranean.
or maybe purely ideological, Wars are always complex.
Regardless, the result is the spark that starts WWIII, as the rest of the world draws their alliances around Damascus.
The event that could unit Shia/Sunni would be the emergence of the 12th Imam.
At any rate, it seems the Caliphate will eventually be headquartered in Turkey, if 'Gog the king of Magog' is any indication.
Beware the Lamb!!!
Here's the event that united the arab world.
Under the careful supervision of Uncle Sam:
http://goo.gl/7tHnDu
You're right. I know some Iranians and they hate the Saudis with a passion. Most of the younger Iranians are not even practicing Muslims.
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~"Would Russia nuke Saudi Arabia??"~
You've got my okay to do it, as long as you smoke Mecca, (right on top of the ka'aba, please) and Medina. Turn 300+ now-deposed rock idols into glass. That ought to do the trick.
Your okay is all that the world has been waiting for.
That is insanity. You people who propose war are grounded in the video culture, all facade.
The fact that you can propose killing as a soluton to anything is absolute proof.
When was it ever?
Many, Many times throughout history.
Well spoken, your Roundness.
You know, I think you read the histories written by the winners rulers' tame historians. The ones that leave out the loss of 2 generations of accumulated wealth, the loss of so many men, the widows left without partners the rest of their lives, the many young women denied husband and, the blind or crippled soldiers begging on the street corner.
Some things are easy to ignore, but that doesn't mean 'win', that means "acceptable to the last ruling class standing".
Please!
This is full of unknown unknown's and this not knowing what we don't know makes the idea...fundable.
It's sad. When I talk to democrats about Obama's wars they just kinda shrug with a "what are you going to do" attitude. When Bush was in it was all the rage to protest against the wars. Although it turns out Saddam was spending heavily to organize peace protests.
Likewise, I can't help but feel extreme anger at my republican friends and relatives who are up in arms about civil liberties being eroded with Obama in charge. I look at them in disbelief, because when I brought up those same concerns in late 2001 early 2002 they said I was anti-American and I patriotic for not supporting Bush in shredding the constitution and engaging in illegal wars.
As it turns out, most people watch their version of MSM propaganda (CNN or Fox) and let the box tell them what to think. It's not even a matter of hypocrisy. They are basically cybernetic mystery zombies regurgitating what they are told with no further thought on the matter. It's sad.
When I have got their eyes to light up and neurons fire over 9/11 official story or bank bailouts they quickly shut it back down when the scary implications of those events registered in their minds. They quickly tilt back a bottle of blue pills from Morpheus and it's back to your regularly scheduled Matrix-ing.
It was all the rage??? What planet were you on?
http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/no-antiwar-voices-in-nyt-debate/
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/amplifying-officials-squelching-di...
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/in-afghan-debate-few-antiwar-op-eds/
http://fair.org/media-beat-column/blaming-the-antiwar-messengers/
http://fair.org/take-action/media-advisories/disappearing-antiwar-protests/
http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/tell-nbc-debate-the-afghanista...
http://fair.org/article/in-iraq-crisis-networks-are-megaphones-for-offic...
Well of course the puppet masters and their media didn't like it!
Young people came out in droves against those wars. I know I saw the massive protest in San Francisco. Huge marches in many cities.
It's a ghost town out there now. There is nothing like that level of protests over Syria.
Yeah, it is a ghost town. It really sucks.
Hey Chris Dakota your new avatar slew me. Too funny.
You geniuses are hilarious, getting your panties all in a bunch over Saudi Arabia when they're just a proxy for the U.S.
Bush and Bin Laden family business partners for over 3 decades. Including the tall son. And values? lol.... when did that come into play? Dropping more tonnage in Cambodia in a "secret" bombing campaign - than both sides during WWII... there's some values. Dropping more tonnage in Laos in a "secret" bombing campaign - than both sides during WWII... there's some values. Oh yeah, then there was Vietnam but at least that wasn't "secret".
But now, Saudi Arabia is the new boogey man? He's your BFF!
Self deception runs amok.
So if the KSA is aligned with Wash DC psychopaths, are we supposed to find that reassuring?
Did I advise being reassured? How about the same indignation for the puppet master (or at least higher up in the food chain) than Saudi Arabia?
Forget about S.A. Without the US, there is no S.A. And as long as the U.S. decrees, no one is going to bother S.A.
They don't get theirs until Uncle Sam decides there's a better way to get that light crude and strategic footprint in the sand.
By the way this clown author get's a 4.8 rating when he blames 911 on the Saudis? Lmao! Hello??? Earth to Tyler! Earth to Tyler!
And San Bernadino as well. The two "shooters" were shown cuffed from behind after the "shootout". What... they were shooting assault rifles thru the closed window with their hands behind their backs? LMAO... And then Oh, the FBI let's the media ransack the apt. of an alleged terrorist with S.A. ties. What happened to the "three white men" shooters?
Hey, you all enjoy your dream world. Get ready for the nightmare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uexm1akXKRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvks2xDhwyE
Enjoy... the best.
Washington DC, City of London, Wall Street, Basel, Frankfurt, Tel Aviv, Riyadh...
Almost as if these guys have NO nationality... Or atleast no national loyalty. As if they are a separate species, a self-designated chosen people, of sorts. Dual Shitizens.
I second that... sort of my point above.
Every time we see into the mentality of our leaders and their intelligence services, it seems to me that the intelligence services have more in common with each other than they do their own political leaders.
Ditto Oligarchs, FEDs and associated banksters, ... NWO is here and growing, Israeli-Necons are one overlapping interest group in centralized power and the continued growth thereof.
For all we know, those three dudes in black combat gear and their getaway driver may all have been AMISH! Or maybe ATHEIST?
Let's not get our knickers in a knot until we know what we're actually dealing with. Maybe it's time to sit down with Richard Dawkins and have a talk about Radical Godlessness.
"...The countries here mentioned have decided on the formation of a military alliance led by Saudi Arabia to fight terrorism, with a joint operations center based in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations..."
YES! Because Saudis are known throughout the world as talented, inspiring leaders... at least until the Houthi get to Riyadh and has them swinging at the end of a rope. But that gives the Saudis, what... ten weeks or so?
We can only pray that happens.
It's an intelligence gathering pool for the Saudi's.
One mans view of fighting against terrorism is another mans right to fight against terrorism. Why dont they just call it getting ready for war.
One man's terrorist is another man's Nike-clad mercenary who's secretly sponsored by the same governments that falsely claim to be his enemy.
Exactly. Some light in the dense fog here... btw, US Nike beat out UK Reebok for the contract. Feathers were ruffled big time in Bolton northwest England area my mates tell me.
@ ManThong,
Pssst, those are the 28 Pages of the 911 report the Presstitute Media purposely has dusted under the rug.
I think we have invaded quite enough countries thank you. However, if someone were to sabotage certain key Saudi oil facilities and prevent them from financing terrorism and buying off sheeple fro an extended period, certain someones would be more likely to take matters into their own hands... Of course since America's God-given right to cheap or free oil would go up smoke overnight, I don't think the idea is saleable.
prevent them from financing terrorism...
Would that happen to include eliminating any profits they generate through their Houston, Texas based refineries where they're able to capture more than just the selling price of crude? Oil in, wealth out, but if it employs good ole Texas folks it's OK?
What a sticky wicket.
Turn Saudi Arabia to Glass. Right Fucking Now!!! I'm sick of these camel-humping sand-nigga's...
I forgot Inbred Imbeciles too...
Camels already have their own humps. B. "glass" doesn't have to be capitalized and "niggas" doesn't need an apostrophe before the "s". It's plural, not possession.
Looks like someone else is a bit inbred here...
C. Wishing for someone to get "glass-ified" in the current world of hair trigger military buildups/tensions might be synonymous with suicidal ideations. That is unless the author is, in fact, a cockroach. In that case their spelling and grammar is actually fantastic!
You sir, are truly a scholar.
Looks as though ...
Manthong: That would be a bold and halarious move! Have Saudi Arabia commit the vast bulk of their forces to Syria and then roll in to Riyadh unopposed.
I love it!
It seems to me that we would have better conversations here if we all adopted the POV of wise and cautious elders consulting for the best futures of our people.
War so rarely has turned out to be a good decision.
Should have happened 13+ years ago.
And yet the MSM and SNL are painting Trump as the next Hitler. Go figure.
Figured. He is.
I see your liquid lunch kicked in. For Christ's sake, I realize the Obama administration gives everyone a reason to drink. But getting completely bombed during the Tuesday lunch hour speaks volumes as to the validity of your post.
Standard Disclaimer: So Trump supporters have all donned armbands now? Or is it you just have a deep and profound love for cankles?
Yes. But that would be carrot/ginger/beet root concoction in my 1200W juicer.
Obama? Who mentioned him? I'm an Obama supporter? That's what you think? That's not nice sir.
Armbands or flagpins... what's the difference? Are you really that simpleminded that surface trivia would have to match up? Is that all you know about Germany during the Third Reich? Oh I forget... you live in America.
BTW, where I'm at, it's been Wednesday for quite some time ape.
Root is redundant, they all are.
Learn to use an ellipsis, ignorant dickhead … space before and after.
And, a semicolon belongs after at and a comma after time; commas indicating pauses in the flow of the language and semicolons - a longer pause; makes reading even drivel like yours a tiny bit better, perhaps.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...
If they thought he was any danger to their power at all, he would never be heard from again in their media. So probably just like Hitler, the big industralists owned him also by paying for his party's development, thought they could control him.
He is certainly not on the side of 9/11 truth for example, the only thing we need to know about him.
I don't think so, The Donald is 100% self-funded. He has spent about 3 M of his own dough. Jeb, I think, has blown through something like 60 M.
I think he is as authentic as President Putin, for what that's worth.
I see the next and probably imminent FF as a small nuke in a small/medium sized 'Red" city while graced by a Trump rally.
Blame focused directly onto Russia/Iran of course.
Probably find Sergie Lazov's passport just outside the blast radius.
Or Assad's driver's lisence.
Trump is connected to the Deep State and covers up 9/11. What more do we need? He is not a conservative choice in any sense. Not prudent to choose an unknown, which everyone goes on and on about with Obama. Pig in a poke, and just because the guy has been on the TV selling himself for 20 years, we think we know him.
Looking back, don't you think it remarkable how little it turns out that we knew any of the Presidents ? They all turn out to have connections which have worked against good gov. Hypothesis is that is Obama's flaw, from among the CIA and radical Chicago connections.
Pigs in pokes aren't good investments.
McCain, needs a cain on his head. This is WWIII unfolding and the U.S Elite Whores will enjoy every little blood drop sucked out of the sheeple just to benefit the military industrial complex and steer fear mongering into the US sheeple that we are being invaded and we need to hit them at home, wedding parties, and mutilate their tongues, then finally head chop everyone into oblivion.
Same Script different Century.
Germany had a ban on war machinery production following WW1 defeat. How did they manage to make all the tanks for WW2? Well, they classified them as "tractors" for the paperwork and did other clever things... similar to us calling mercs "military advisers" etc.
Actually they were manufactured in German factories in the USSR where Guderian trained. Cooperation ceased when Adolf Hitler took power.
Yes the next batch of Hitlers!
Europe have their own......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/the-fix-is-in-franc...
They should have asked for election observers. /s
No you didn't allied yourselves.
The Saudi's control the US politicians and in return, all that Americans need to do is send your young people to war to fight the Saudi's wars.
It's been going on for over 15 years now and in return you get politicians who live the good live.
And when through sacrifices, the Saudi's win another war, you get more expensive oil.
So it's a win win deal for everybody.
Sure, some people die in the process but that's the sacrifice the Saudi's have learned to live with.
The Saudi's are tools at the end of the day - the game central is in DC
sure it is...
Nice article, but I already flagged this event earlier today on ZH...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-15/russia-sees-no-oil-price-recovery-coming-7-years#comment-6925475
Tue, 12/15/2015 - 09:37 | 6925475 Kirk2NCC1701
Yes, but it does not have the approval of Syria or Iraq. Russia claims it will therefore fail.
The Islamic counterterrorist coalition launched by Saudi Arabia will not be effective, or even feasible, without Iraq and Iran, the head of the Federation Council’s International Relations Committee maintains.
“Not only Sunni but some Shia nations have been invited into this coalition, such as Yemen, Lebanon and Bahrein. But it still lacks Iraq and Iran and without them we anyway cannot say that this coalition is feasible and effective,” Konstantin Kosachev wrote in his Facebook account on Tuesday. Kosachev added that Iraq and Iran were actively cooperating with Russia in the counterterrorist sphere.
“Our joint actions were definitely more effective than those of yet another coalition – led by the United States,” he wrote.
Another anti-terror alliance working in the Middle East is the US-led coalition of about 65 countries in which most of the strikes are carried out by the US Air Force without any permission from the Syrian government.
Russia has also launched an anti-terror coalition in the Middle East together with Syria, Iraq and Iran. The headquarters of this bloc, known as RSII are located in Baghdad and cooperation mostly amounts to exchange of intelligence data.
On Tuesday Saudi Arabian government news agency SPA announced the formation of the ‘Islamic military alliance’ with a mission to fight terrorism. The coalition consists of 34 countries, including the Gulf States, a number of African countries, including Egypt, as well as Turkey, Malaysia and Pakistan. Its headquarters will be in Saudi Arabia capital, Riyadh.
source: https://www.rt.com/politics/325985-senior-russian-lawmaker-blasts-saudi/
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In any case... If the Russian-led alliance lets this turn into a Free-for-All, which is what the US and Saudis want, then this will not end well for Syria or Iraq. Time for the Russian-led alliance to grow some real balls and tell the others to "Keep Out", if not invited by the Iraqi or Syrian governments. Failure to comply is an Act of War. If they do nothing about it, it will raise "terminal suspicion" as to Russia's abilities, clarity and resolve. Let's see what happens.
"we have allied ourselves with the next Hitler" ... if that was true, that would be a good thing, because Hitler fought back against the zionist insurgency in Germany to free his country from its yoke, and he also tried to free Europe and the world of jewish born soviet communism as well. As for the expression, politics makes for odd bedfellows, this one really takes the cake. I *thought* the #1 enemy of the allah club was the jews. I *thought* they hated israel. But is it not a curious thing that 34 muslim countries with all their 'islamic extremism' are forming an alliance that surely they would have to know clearly benefits israel. If they were going to go on the attack, why Syria? Really? Why not go for the gold, and take out israel? Inquiring minds would like to know.
Nice. Thanks.
Maybe they remember the ten days war and the shocking defeat of Egypt that the Israelis orchestrated not all that long ago.
Don't forget the "Sampson Option."
Egyptians are strange, they celebrate that defeat
I nominate this for post of the year.
+1000
Because almost all of those Muslim countries have Jewish puppet governments either protected or funded by you and I.
We are fools, we pay for our own demise.
nuubee:
Jesus, we have allied ourselves with the next Hitler. Great job U.S. political elites! You sure know how to vet people for their values!
How can anyone compare Hitler to this bunch of zionists satanic maniacs....??? its the zonists who are doing all this crap that Hitler tried to stop, has everyone developed amnesia, did they partake in "the good war", did they stop evil as they call it... look what they installed, a bloody new world order.
Folks could do with reading up on some facts, the demonizing of hitler is in its self proof that that people are still infected with the zionist narratives that use hitler as the "all time bogeyman of bogeymen", when he was quite the opposite & the most popular leader the 20th century ever saw by a country mile. The 150,000+ "non zionist" jews who fought for him speaks volumns. people dont want facts, they prefer comfort zones.
www.tgsnt.tv
www.communismbythebackdoor.tv
I think that a more neutral reading of all that history, so many people supporting each side against their own interests-as-it-turned-out, is more a warning about how complex it all is to live through, and how easily it is to be mislead.
Nobody can believe that Hitler was good for Jews or anyone else. Better than Stalin? Pick someone bad enough, sort through enough dimensions, anyone can be better. Not an impressive argument.
The other thing everyone seems to miss is that everyone is independent actors, every group and person, and most have multiple interests and loyalties. Statements like "Saudis are a tool of the US" miss that, so your mental models of how the world works are too simple. Even if it were as good as the best Intelligence Analyst in the US government, or all 100s of them, wouldn't matter, the reality of the world is far more complex than that, and the best-laid plans of everyone go wrong every time. The world involving people is very different than the world of physics and chemistry, and few understand how difficult it actually is to make things worki in the world of engineering : test test test test, or it doesn't work. No way to do that in human affairs.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/high-dimensioned-games/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/warning-ideas-are-dangerous/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/important-things-are-not-f...
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/11/the-wrong-question-as-usual/
"Jesus, we have allied ourselves with the next Hitler. Great job U.S. political elites! You sure know how to vet people for their values!"
American oligarchs lined up behind the old Hilter too. Would you expect anything to be different?
No mention of the Saudi connection to 9/11? This is not about "vetting" - it's a deliberate decison to destablize the world for more power, control and resources. This 9/11 connection is mainstream news, yet the sheeple remain wilfully ignorant and are continually led around by the nose to be in fear of our own creation. How do people not see through this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/11653706/...
I'm sorry did you say something cogent and political taking into account real world facts that will ultimately impact everyone on earth?
If you did, I have to apologize because I couldn't hear you over the sound of Kim Kardashian's oiled up butt cheeks clapping together while she twerks for Kanye.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America.
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Anyone serving in the US military or CIA is the problem. Turn in your uniforms and refuse to carry out unlawful orders
Nothing that a few missles can't solve.
Yemeni missiles.
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940924000516
What a great idea. Lets just go kill the right people this time. Yes, yes, that has always worked.
Hasbara? Or naturally ignorant, a product of modern schools? Of course, not mutually exclusive, you can check both boxes.
Bout time these fucks put some skin in the game. And when the first special ops camel humper happens to shoot a Rooskie?
Then we get a new oil paradigm because SA just lost all their oil hubs and the USA has lost it's number 1 dollah sink.
pods
I don't know how many of you out there have been paying attention the last 6 months, but Saudi Arabia has already made a number of open threats to invade Syria and conquer it for Sunni extremists to take over. I have heard these statements going back at least half a year.
What are their chances of success?
well kinda appears not exact show military prowess in Yemen
Saudi can't/don't/won't fight well...been cheap mercs, that not working
now high price mercs, many been killed lately, documented
If Russia puts in a no fly zone over Syria, thier chances are about zero.
No Fly Zones are like Gun Free Zones, but in the air
No fly zones are typically backed-up by more than just the hall monitor - unlike gun-free zones.
judging from their lack of succes in their dreadful Yemen campaign Not great. watch the Syrian people unite to counter this. The move was anticipated by Syria/ Russia.
both sides have been busy preparing for a wider c0nflict. Remember Russia does not need to win, just prevent the agressors achieving their unstated aims.
very expensive pro mercs killed by Yemenis recently.
Yes, the UAE is sending in Colombian and Chilean mercenaries into Yemen at a cost of around 6,000 USD per month.
Yes, but are they 'School of the Americas' Alumni?
If McCain has anything to do with it - close to zero.
Has a single member of CONgress, or any of these pResident candidates said anything about cutting ties with Saudi Arabia?
#votesdon'tmatter
Or cutting ties with the Fed !
We know that depends entirely on the measure of 'success'. 'Last Man Standing', < .5, as many times both sides lose by that measure. Anything more complicated, like 'average person is better off in subsequent years, with greater freedom and wealth', has not been nearly as good.
Will you guys get off this idiocy of considering a war and killing as the solution to anything? Killing may be emotinally satisfying, and god knows I will weep with joy to see them hang, and so want the contract to provide rope pullers : all volunteers who pay mey enough, I will be so rich, and they will pull so slowly.
But that is not a solution, that is a reward for implementing a correct solution. See the difference?
Growing up is learning to wait for the bigger joy.
A correct solution is not a solution?
You contradict yourself youngster.
If we run this by civilized values and open and obviously Just forms, we have minimal side-effects and maximum positive effects.
Civilizations are given problems, random sizes and distributions, at certain rates. If they solve them in ways that don't have follow-on effects that are problems in themselves, the civilization prospers.
How long did it take France to recover from their various terrors? From Napoleon's consequent wars? Those are the follow-on effects of bad political systems.
France had an excuse, it didn't know nearly as much as we do about how stuff works. We should.
It might be the only remaining bait to lure Russia into a war.
"...but Saudi Arabia has already made a number of open threats to invade Syria and conquer it for Sunni extremists to take over. I have heard these statements going back at least half a year..."
Putin invoked UN Article 51 after the Russian airliner was shot down. If (or I should say 'when') he as sufficient proof of the real backers, he will act in Russia's self-defense and level either D.C., Tel Aviv, Ankara, Riyadh or Doha. I've been on pins and needles ever since - it's really a toss-up at this point. I honestly think there's a chance that it was a CIA/Mossad fuck-up.
I'm much more inclined to beleve Putin than the small-penis-syndrome Saudi Foreign Minister. If SA does invade Syria, then all Assad has to do is hire a few dozen Houthis to fly up and kick the Saudi's asses. Just tell the Houthis they can keep whatever they capture (including any Saudis). Hell, they'll be swimming up the Red Sea and walking to Syria for the chance.
Perfect Scenario to:
Affect the Px of Oil.
Escalate to draw in IRN (which will further increase the Px of everything set to sail through the Hormuz. Damage to IRN's Oil Infra will lead to retaliation to KSA and others' Infra).
Escalate to draw in ISR (may attack IRN).
No need for a full scale battle-to-the-death invasion. KSA can just keep the tensions high and send in Air and Ground Merc Forces openly to SYR and IRQ. Disrupt the ISIL/IRQ/SYR/IRN Oil Exports; and you have the means to pump up the Px as an added Bonus.
I'd set Wartime Cruising Conditions on every Naval Ship in the Eastern Med (LBY and Eastward), Gulfs of Persia/Arabia and Oman, and the Red Sea. When the SHTF, it's going to be flung in many directions; and there's a good chance SAMs, Anti-Ship/Cruise Missiles, Bombs, Torpedoes, and Artillery are going to be lobbed around all at once in the Chaos.
We had several "surges" in the Gulf back during Earnest Will. A Classmate and another acquaintance of mine was on an "older, semi-expendable" Frigate/Destroyer (forgot which type - I'm a Cruiser Sailor, so they're considered lightweights. No offense - it's just the way it is when you live/ride on Cruisers and Battleships when the CO is a Senior O-6 or above). They went in to take on a few IRNian Assets after a Mine/Gunboat/Terror attack(forgot the details); and in the confusion (and lack of modern combat comms), repeatedly tried to obtain permission to shoot us - even when vehemently denied by Mission Command (dumbasses didn't get the silent/implied clue). One or our ships shot off half a dozen or so Missiles, we had allegedly IRN C-130s possibly painting several ships for Silkworm Targeting from a distance (dunno if they were shot down), and my Classmate's Ship even announced that a Silkworm was allegedly inbound. The acquaintance was stationed in the Aft Section (where the Missile was due inbound); and he told me that he just squatted to brace for impact/shock, held his helmet, almost shit his pants until the "Coast was clear".
Life's a Bitch on a Ship when your Battlestation is not in Combat (Command Center), After Battle (Cruiser here, we have two), or the Bridge - you no access to radar scopes/screens; and you have to rely on the "PA System" and/or Sound Powered Battle Com Channels for the info. Being a Damage Control Officer, you had to sit/brace and wait for the Inbound to be shot down, pass by, or hit the ship before you can act.
One of my compatriots' Ship, the Josephus Daniels, made a Cruise T-shirt that featured an exquisitely drawn, upside down bottle of Jack Daniels' "100% Persian Gulf Distillate" - logo/print text modified for the Ship - with a Silkworm Missile stuck just above the neck. Their Main Logo read,
"We drank the Whole Bottle; but we didn't eat the Worm."
Beautifully Done - even with the Whiskey/Tequila differences. They had the best Cruise T-Shirt of the Expedition, IMHO.
"There will be international coordination with major powers and international organizations..."
i.e. Zionists
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5niBipyUi8
"This War is just starting" -Kutuzov-
Was that a video of John McCain starting up his jet?
Well as long as John McCain is involved then I can rest easy.
Ever see the sketch with Robin Williamsn on McCain ?? One of the funniest things ever, just nailed the guy for the maniac that he is.
I guess it's all ok as long as it's Special Forces....
/sarc
Time to naked short humanity and go long nuclear winter
Now dont forget sheeple and ostriches, our only concern nowadays is global warming.
Nuke Saudi Arabia.
The Republican wallet emptier John McCain, eh? Take us to war, oh John! Show The US youth how to die for foreign soil we have no right to be on! Help us get in WWIII, as we are all so eager over the world to see what all those neat nuclear weapons can do! War on, John! It's just such a great idea to decrease the surplus population and make your friends wealthier, not to mention satisfy your overblown ego. And will you help bury the dead that return home, John? Will you go out to the cemeteries, honor their sacrifice, and help shovel the dirt into the graves of your countrymen?
Nuclear winter... the neocons contribution to the Paris Climate change summit.
Standard Disclaimer: Because with the scorched earth policy you aren't fighting the same war 10, or 50, or 100 years in the future.
The heat is still ramping up. Russia announces a new troop deployment that will counter Turkish air forces in the west.
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A stunning new Ministry of Defense (MoD) report circulating in the Kremlin states that President Putin, this morning, issued an order to the 58th Army Headquarters of the North-Caucasian Military District to immediately deploy “selected” regiments and brigades of Federation military electronic warfare, anti-aircraft, multiple rocket launcher, anti-tank, motorized rifle, and artillery forces to the Turkish-Armenia border—which in total comprises nearly 7,000 Russian troops now being put into full combat status.According to this report, the legal authorization for this massive combat deployment is due to the joint Russian-Armenian missile air defense system agreement ordered to be signed by President Putin on 11 November and which will be finalized this week by Prime Minister Medvedev.
With Armenia now becoming a vital part of the Russian Joint Air Defense, this report continues, Federation military forces will now be able to counter threats from Turkey coming from that nations western border"
Russia is not fooling around, but putting it's top of the line weapons systems into place and combat operational.
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Important to note too about this Federation military deployment to Armenia, this report says, are that these forces will be protected, like their counterparts operating in Syria, with S-400 Triumf (NATO designation: SA-21 Growler) medium/long-range mobile surface-to-air missile systems and Krasukha-4 jamming platforms giving them near total air defense superiority over 85 percent of Turkish territory.The Krasukha-4 broadband multifunctional jamming station is mounted on a BAZ-6910-022 four-axle-chassis and like the Krasukha-2, the Krasukha-4 counters NATO-Turkish AWACS and other air borne radar systems. The Krasukha-4, also, has the range for effectively disrupting low Earth orbit (LEO) satellites and can cause permanent damage to targeted radio-electronic devices with ground based radars also being a viable target—which is, undoubtedly, MoD experts in this report state, the reason US and Turkish aircraft have fled from the skies over Syria." Put together with Russian forces in Syria, Turkey may be regretting it's ambush and shoot down of a Russian bomber over Syria!
Who would of known that WWIII would be fought Covertly through PsyOp of the masses on a World Scale. Declaring war has become obsolete among the Pure Evil Psychopaths.
You better hope it stays at the propaganda level, but do you really want to count on hopium to save you?
Have you called your congressmen? At least we should make them question their safety.
yes the neocons are working hard to get war going
Jack, any sources? As aperson of Armenian descent, I would like to read more on this.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/12/thousands-of-russian-troops-sent-to...
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sorcha faal is terrible source why fortruss don't know that?
Sorchal Faal gets tidbit, then adds crap.
Volkodav - right , I thought everybody knew by now... he's more commonly referred to as
"Such A Fail " in most circles i run in
And that blogspot just stole the article from another blogspot "whatdoesitmean". However, that blogspot does not indicate where any of the info comes from just that apparently it is a report being freely circulated from deep in the Kremlin.
Simular to the claims that China had a military ship docked in Syria some months ago that was false.
The original blogspot made the posting previously, it is not from today, but still I can find no verification on RT.
russadefencenet for english there will discuss and sort for reality
or russian speaking sites many
It's a fake article. Read the intro. It sounds like a check-out line rag headline.
The Russians have a military base at Gyumri, Armenia, 75 miles north of the capital, Yerevan. Base was expanded after Russian base in neighboring Georgia was closed. Armenia has lots of pro Western NGO’s funded by the world wide Armenia diaspora, so look for another color revolution there.
On November 12, 2015, the Armenia first deputy defense minister, David Tonoyan confirmed in an interview with the Moscow based Russian news agency Inter fax, military news wire, that an air defense pact had been signed with Russia.
In 2007 Russia signed a contract with Syria and Iran to supply the S300 missile system.
Russia/Putin never lived up to that agreement due to fear of NATO's reaction. The S400's in Syria are totally under Putin's control. NATO fly jets past those missiles and bombed a Syrian military base, just to taunt Putin.
Putin signs a pact (not even a contract). Any missiles in Armenia will be under Putin's control and will only fire upon NATO if they directly attack Russian troops.
IF Putin had any balls he would defend the air space of Syria. But he is filled with fear. (Or he is party to the NATO plan.)
exact source for that, please?
little bird RuAF told I should watch for 58th, can't say more..
Maybe Vostok and Zapad battalions be reactivated for Kabab removal?
Erdogan eats tie, escape for appointment by Porko...except don't expect Kiev hold together that long...
I guess that could be, but I can find no reference to this apparently openly circulated report. Right now it is just another "Putin's gonna do it now". Even if Putin did take this action it is of little use in stopping how Syria is being taken, and how Iraq is being invaded. Of course Putin has the S400 systems in Syria now but they are of little benefit to Syria, as the US flew right into Syria and bombed a Syrian military base.
When Putin acts with a no fly zone in Syria, or bombs the troops from Turkey who have taken postions in Syria and Iraq, or bombs the air base the US is building INSIDE Syria - then you can say Putin is taking actions. Close to a 11/2 months ago the latests PR version of how Russia would supply the S300/S400 to Iran was issued and declared they would be in Iran within 2 months. They still are not there.
How about this. Turkey shoots down Putin's jet and invades Syria. Putin responds by talking about putting something in Armenia. That reeks of avoidance and a PR display to save face. How about putting his people at the Turkey/Syria border instead.
If this coalition happens and invades Iraq or Syria and Putin does nothing then the Putin fan club will claim it was Putin's idea and he is playing chess by not acting.
There is a solid basis to say Russia/Putin is party to NATO's plans or is acting as vultures to get what they can as it happens or simply have no balls.
We see that Russia plays for reality. Unlike our Israeli-Neocons, who lie with every word, and threaten forever before doing something sneaky justified by a buildup of propagand and a few more false flags.
Vlad is not an angel, but judging from statements and actions over the last few years, Vlad is the most trust-worthy leader in the world, the only one we can be reasonable sure is not under the thumb of Israeli-Neocons and overlapping NWO crowd.
As Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America, Vlad is on my side, at least temporarily.
Sorry Jack .. your articles are always top notch but this info is from Soorcha Falls. Disinfo agent.
Next, Syria, because Yemen is working out so well.
That's one way to get that pipeline through.
What pipeline? Obama never said anything about a pipeline